The 2008 U.S. Presidential election "debate" thread

[wendersfan]

In case there is a debate, let's discuss it here, OK?

The time: 26 September 2008 - 2100 EDT
The place: Gertrude C. Ford Center in Oxford, Mississippi, on the campus of the University of Mississippi
The moderator: Jim Lehrer (PBS)

http://www.olemiss.edu/debate/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_debates,_2008

And I thought I'd throw this in:

Oxford Town, Oxford Town
Ev'rybody's got their heads bowed down
The sun don't shine above the ground
Ain't a-goin' down to Oxford Town

He went down to Oxford Town
Guns and clubs followed him down
All because his face was brown
Better get away from Oxford Town

Oxford Town around the bend
He come in to the door, he couldn't get in
All because of the color of his skin
What do you think about that, my frien'?

Me and my gal, my gal's son
We got met with a tear gas bomb
I don't even know why we come
Goin' back where we come from

Oxford Town in the afternoon
Ev'rybody singin' a sorrowful tune
Two men died 'neath the Mississippi moon
Somebody better investigate soon

Oxford Town, Oxford Town
Ev'rybody's got their heads bowed down
The sun don't shine above the ground
Ain't a-goin' down to Oxford Town

[Red Dog]

Thread title is wrong. A certain word needs to be in " ".

I'm surprised that we haven't heard claims that Obama and McCain are the greatest debaters since Lincoln and Douglas from each of the opposing campaigns yet.

[wendersfan]

Happy now? :rolleyes:

;)

[Red Dog]

Yes!

[Rockmjd23]

I'm surprised that we haven't heard claims that Obama and McCain are the greatest debaters since Lincoln and Douglas from each of the opposing campaigns yet.
Well, Brack hasn't seen the thread yet.

[Red Dog]

Well, Brack hasn't seen the thread yet.


Well I expect our Obama fans in the forum to think that about Obama. ;)

I'm referring to the age-old practice of inflating the debating skills of the opponent to create high expectations of your opponent (and lower expectations for your own guy).

[WCChiCubsFan]

McCain has now issued a statement that he will attend.

[wendersfan]

(Just to make c-man happy and "confirm" his suspicions):

Obama is <i>not</i> the greatest debater since Lincoln and Douglas, Clarence Darrow is. Obama is the <i>second</i> greatest.

;)

[classicman2]

wendersfan,

"debate"

Thank you.

[Red Dog]

You can't have a thread like this w/o odds:

Analysts at BetUS.com posted the following odds on the upcoming Presidential Debate:

How many times will Barack Obama says "Change"?
None +2000
1 - 5 Times +600
6 - 10 Times -350
11 - 15 Times +200
16 - 20 Times +280
Over 20 Times +250

Who will get the first audible laughter response from the audience?
Barack Obama -120
John McCain -120

Who will speak first?
Barack Obama -120
John McCain -120

Who will request the first topic extension?
Barack Obama -120
John McCain -120

How many times will Barack Obama says "Hope"?
Over 9 -130
Under 9 -110

How many questions will Barack Obama be asked before he calls John McCain out of touch?
Over 3 -120
Under 3 -120

How many times will John McCain say POW?
Over 4 -130
Under 4 -110

Will a "Yes we can" chant break out during the debate?
Yes -200
No +150

How many times will a "Yes we can" chant break out during the debate?
Over 2 -130
Under 2 -110

Will Bill Ayres name be mentioned during the debate?
Yes +200
No -300

Will John McCain be asked how many houses he owns during the debate?
Yes +120
No -160

Will John McCain remember how many houses he owns if asked during the debate?
Yes -400
No +300

How many times will John McCain say "My Friends"?
Over 3 -120
Under 3 -120

Who will be the first candidate to refer to themselves as the candidate of change?
Barack Obama -140
John McCain Even

Who will be the first candidate to mention 9/11?
Barack Obama +110
John McCain -150

Who will be the first candidate to mention Osama Bin Laden?
Barack Obama +150
John McCain -200

How many times will the candidates begin a response with "That's a great question"?
Over 4 -120
Under 4 -120

How many times will McCain mention Bush?
None +200
1 - 5 Times -150
6 - 10 Times +300
11 - 15 Times +900
16 - 20 Times +1800
Over 20 Times +2200

[slop101]

The time: 26 September 2008 - 2100 EDTWhat are we, in the military?

That's 6 pm, Pacific for us normal folk...

[classicman2]

(Just to make c-man happy and "confirm" his suspicions):

Obama is <i>not</i> the greatest debater since Lincoln and Douglas, Clarence Darrow is. Obama is the <i>second</i> greatest.

;)

I was going to say William Jennings Bryan.

[wendersfan]

I can't stand that am/pm crap.

[wendersfan]

I was going to say William Jennings Bryan.I knew you would. That's why I said Darrow.

[Bronkster]

Just heard on the radio that McCain will be there!

[WCChiCubsFan]

So if an agreement is not reached on the bailout does his attending make McCain appear weak?

After all he said he wouldn’t and then backed down once Obama said he would be going even if McCain didn’t show up.

[al_bundy]

CNBC confirmed that mccain will debate as well. anyone want to bet that bush kicked him out of DC so that negotiations can go on?

[classicman2]

What percentage of the voters do you believe these 'debates' are aimed at?

Do you believe, unless there's a major gaffe made, that it will influence the 'percentage' that it's aimed at?

[Red Dog]

The HS football moms won't be watching - that's for sure. ;)

[bhk]

What percentage of the voters do you believe these 'debates' are aimed at?

Do you believe, unless there's a major gaffe made, that it will influence the 'percentage' that it's aimed at?

I agree with you. The debates are media events and unless there is a major gaffe there won't be any change in opinion.

[Rockmjd23]

Friday night is the best night to reach young voters!

[classicman2]

Haven't young voters already made up their minds?

I thought they were firmly in the Obama camp.

[Red Dog]

Friday night is the best night to reach young voters!


Well, they'll probably be watching. They'll just be stewed by 9 p.m.

[classicman2]

Whether McCain shows or not - I will not be watching.

I believe the last presidential debate I watched was in 1992.
Those actually had some interest.

[Sheff]

you can't have a thread like this w/o odds:

How many times will john mccain say "my friends"?
over 3 -120
under 3 -120

best bet ever.

[slop101]

I can't stand that am/pm crap.All of my clocks/watches only go up to 12. :shrug:

[Iron Chef]

Whether McCain shows or not - I will not be watching.

I believe the last presidential debate I watched was in 1992.
Those actually had some interest.

oh, ok

[Pharoh]

CNBC confirmed that mccain will debate as well. anyone want to bet that bush kicked him out of DC so that negotiations can go on?

I'll take that bet.

[Bronkster]

All of my clocks/watches only go up to 12. :shrug:

Most of mine go to 24 :shrug:

[Pharoh]

The HS football moms won't be watching - that's for sure. ;)


I will be back home just in time for tonight's football game. My wife will be attending, though she is isn't really an undecided.

;)

[Mordred]

I knew you would. That's why I said Darrow.I trust C-man on this as he probably heard them both speak in person.

[Groucho]

I can't stand that am/pm crap.Agreed. 7-11 is much better.

[Sean O'Hara]

All of my clocks/watches only go up to 12. :shrug:

Is it really that hard to add 12 to hours after noon?

[classicman2]

I will be back home just in time for tonight's football game. My wife will be attending, though she is isn't really an undecided.

;)

Oh - she's voting for Obama. ;)

I'll be in attendance at a highschool football tonight also.

[wendersfan]

If I wanted to go to a high school football game I don't even know if I could find one.

[slop101]

Is it really that hard to add 12 to hours after noon?Yes. Especially since you have to actually subtract 12 to get the correct pm time.

[Rockmjd23]

I'll be in attendance at a highschool football tonight also.
Class of '28 reunion?
My high school's football games are always on Saturdays, probably because they suck.

[Red Dog]

If I wanted to go to a high school football game I don't even know if I could find one.


You're in Ohio. You could probably trip over one walking to your car.

[wendersfan]

You're in Ohio. You could probably trip over one walking to your car.You'd think that, wouldn't you? But seriously, walking to my car (which is currently parked in my driveway) I'd walk through campus, by several campus bars and cheap restaurants, a couple of houses, and that's about it.

:shrug:

[classicman2]

We're talking about real HS football - not the kind they play in OH. :)

[CRM114]

We're talking about real HS football - not the kind they play in OH. :)

Here we go again. PA and OH crank out the best players in the country.

;)

[Rockmjd23]

Anyone seen this one yet? McCain has declared victory in the debate!
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/26/mccain-camp-releases-ad-claiming-debate-victory/

[classicman2]

Here we go again. PA and OH crank out the best players in the country.

;)


:lol:

:lol:

[dick_grayson]

Anyone seen this one yet? McCain has declared victory in the debate!
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/26/mccain-camp-releases-ad-claiming-debate-victory/

reminds me of something....

http://www.sourcewatch.org/images/c/c5/Mission-accomplished.jpg

[CRM114]

:lol:

:lol:

{{Yawn}} Unitas. Namath. Montana. Marino.

[Shannon Nutt]

Anyone seen this one yet? McCain has declared victory in the debate!
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/26/mccain-camp-releases-ad-claiming-debate-victory/

Someone on Team Obama needs to print that baby out and bring it to the debate so Obama can hold it up for America to see.

Seriously people...you want THIS arrogant jackass running the country?

http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2008/09/McCain_Wins_Debate-1.JPG

[Dr Mabuse]

I think the person who happened to be nominated by the political party that has best pandered to my personal prejudices, will EASILY trounce that dissembling knotty-pated joithead nominated by the OTHER political party, that doesn't happen to be the one that panders to my personal prejudices.

[Groucho]

You've got it wrong, Mabuse:

[The other guy] is a proven debater. If [my guy] even manages to make a showing, it'll be a huge victory for the campaign.

[Dr Mabuse]

:lol:

[hahn]

Someone on Team Obama needs to print that baby out and bring it to the debate so Obama can hold it up for America to see.

Seriously people...you want THIS arrogant jackass running the country?

http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2008/09/McCain_Wins_Debate-1.JPG-pray- Oh please have people in audience hold up prints of this ad. :dance:

BTW, does this count as stopping the campaign?

[classicman2]

{{Yawn}} Unitas. Namath. Montana. Marino.


3 states are the most heavily recruited in the country.

OH & PA are not among them.

[CRM114]

3 states are the most heavily recruited in the country.

OH & PA are not among them.

Heavily recruited sure. Talent that actually pans out? Not so much.

[CKMorpheus]

Are the debates going to be streaming online anywhere?

[Baron Of Hell]

Are the debates going to be streaming online anywhere?

Cspan will be running the debate and they stream all of their shows

[Venusian]

No applause? we'll see how long that one lasts

[Venusian]

Am I the only one watching this and on here?

[Venusian]

Obama is looking alot older than he usually does. McCain is looking as old as usual. And why is McCain delivering news about Kenney or is he just giving a shout out

[Dr Mabuse]

'Across the aisle' kind of thing I guess.

Unless they are actually friends.

[wendersfan]

Am I the only one watching this and on here?No.

Class move by McCain, re: Kennedy.

[Dr Mabuse]

Am I the only one watching this and on here?

No.

[Venusian]

Did McCain's advisors not tell him that a striped tie strobes on camera?

[Dr Mabuse]

"We haven't seen the language yet".

Hmmmm.

[Red Dog]

I don't like either of their answers so far. Fancy that. ;)

[Venusian]

Good answer. there are so many "plans" out there its bad to say you support one. McCain said "sure" though...bad move.

[Venusian]

Obama said there has to be intervention. I'm guessing that doesn't satisfy our libertarian brethren

[Dr Mabuse]

Did McCain's advisors not tell him that a striped tie strobes on camera?

:lol:

Yikes.

It is strobing.

But that Double Windsor on McCain looks nice. The Single Windsor on Obama should have been evened up a bit.

[Dr Mabuse]

Good answer. there are so many "plans" out there its bad to say you support one. McCain said "sure" though...bad move.

I was wincing.

I think he was trying to get 'past' the question to get to what he wanted to say, and it was a bit of a blunder.

[Venusian]

Jim can't get them to talk to each other for anything

[wendersfan]

I'm not really all that impressed with either of them. Neither one of them speak all that well extemporaneously.

Plus, I'm worried Lehrer's dentures will fall out.

[Venusian]

McCain: "America! Fuck Yeah!"

[Venusian]

McCain is bashing the GOP. Sounds like the 2000 McCain. He needs to point out more than earmarks to get a cut in spending.

[wendersfan]

McCain: "And government changed us."

Bad move.

[gmanca]

I'm not really all that impressed with either of them. Neither one of them speak all that well extemporaneously.

QFT. I would also like them to ask each other questions/look at each other.

And that Bear DNA, paternal-criminal line should have been delievered a bit better.

[Red Dog]

"I will veto every spending bill that comes across my desk."

If only. :lol:

[dick_grayson]

I'm watching in hd. Obama definitely has some gray, which I'm sure his staff let it go to make him appear older or wiser.

[Dr Mabuse]

Wow.

That wasn't bad. A million dollars a day in earmarks for every day Obama has been in office. Then he said to go check the 'citizens against government waste' website to see if it's the truth.

[Venusian]

"I will veto every spending bill that comes across my desk."

If only. :lol:

i thought i had just misheard that. guess not :lol:


Obama - tax cut for 95% again

[Dr Mabuse]

ZIING!

"He didn't 'see the light' in his first three years in congress"

[wendersfan]

I'm watching in hd. Obama definitely has some gray, which I'm sure his staff let it go to make him appear older or wiser.
Not HD, but that was impression too.

[wendersfan]

This is painful.

[Venusian]

obama makes a good point, lets see if mccain responds: cutting earmarks isn't enough

[Venusian]

did mccain just say its more than 18 billion after telling us its 18 billion?

[dick_grayson]

Not HD, but that was impression too.

Jim Lehrer kind of looks like a corpse....by the way.

[Red Dog]

Even with their 'economic woes,' the American people are snoring right now with the numbers being thrown around.

[Venusian]

festuned?

[wendersfan]

"Festooned"

(Decorated, adorned)

[Venusian]

McCain's laugh is creepy

[Patman]

Okay, let me get this straight:

Obama = Big Government
McCain = Less Big Government

I love how this was supposed to be about foreign policy, and then Lehrer extended to economic stability. Bah.

[Red Dog]

"The Financial Rescue Thing." :lol:

[Dr Mabuse]

Obama did vote for that.

McCain made a good point. It kind of got lost in there I think.

[Venusian]

"needs to be done" vs. "has to be done"...hmm

[wendersfan]

okay, let me get this straight:

Obama = big government
mccain = less big governmenta+

[Venusian]

McCain is talking about cutting defense. classicman2 must be happy

[Brent L]

"It's hard to reach across the aisle from that far to the left." - McCain, about Obama

Even Obama had to chuckle at that one. :lol:

[gmanca]

I like that McCain brought up the over-running costs on some defense projects.

[Venusian]

McCain isn't answering the question (big surprise)

[Venusian]

:lol: Jim calls them out. Nice.

[Patman]

It's alway funny how Obama started by staring at the camera during his time to speak, and McCain is having none of it and just stares at Lehrer. I think Obama finally gave in and started speaking to Lehrer too.

Does Obama always stutter so much when he's speaking without a teleprompter?

[Rockmjd23]

"I'm not giving up the need to do it". Wtf?!

[Patman]

Obama: I love spending your money.

[hahn]

As a physician, I'm very impressed with Obama pointing out the scam that is private healthcare insurance and how they siphon off of Medicare.

[tcoursen]

Does Obama always stutter so much when he's speaking without a teleprompter?

Yes

[Dr Mabuse]

Obama going against the spending freeze speaks volumes.

He wants to increase spending. And said so clearly. "Some of these programs are underfunded".

[Patman]

Looks like Obama only cares about 95% of us Americans.

[gmanca]

This is a foreign policy debate, yes?

"Orgy of spending!" Oh boy, that might not go over well.

[Venusian]

McCain looks really nervous with the grin and laugh

[drc]

"orgy of spending" :lol:

[Venusian]

on torture? didn't mccain vote "for torture"?

[Patman]

It was funny how the CNN talking heads were talking about how it was really important for McCain to "win" this debate on foreign policy, and we get this economic debate on future spending. Hah.

McCain's got the smirking going on while Obama gets agitated during his stuttered rebuttals. Funny.

[Dr Mabuse]

This is a foreign policy debate, yes?


Apparently not.

And I suspect Obama is happy about that.

[Patman]

Finally we get to foreign policy.

[dick_grayson]

on torture? didn't mccain vote "for torture"?

you are either the fastest typist ever or you're seeing a feed about a minute ahead of me.

[DarkestPhoenix]

I just realized that the networks must be shitting about the fact they can't get any of those valuable advertising $$$.

I'm surprised they're not flashing little corner hulu-type ads.

Oh, and I don't think anyone listening can be happy about Obama's constant, "I need more money" answers.

The government has enough of our money. They need to learn to BUDGET. If I can't buy all the things I want, I don't go to my boss and say, "Hey, uh, I need more money, so give me a raise, or I'll send you to jail."

I think we need to cut out many gov't programs, not create new ones...

[hahn]

:lol: "Maverick. MAVERICK! I'm a MAVERICK. M-A-V-E-R-I-C-K. That's me!!! The American people know me well - I'm a maverick. And now I have a maverick at my side too. Maverick - look it up - that's me!

[Red Dog]

"Increased Iranian influence w/o invading?"

Are you kidding me?

[Venusian]

you are either the fastest typist ever or you're seeing a feed about a minute ahead of me.

I'm on ABC. i usually watch cspan but the tv was on abc already

[Patman]

Well, if you are going to care about 95% of the people, you're going to have to promise them something substantial for their votes. That means spending the other 5%'s money.

[DarkestPhoenix]

Say you were wrong about the surge, then if you say you wish you were wrong about Iraq.

[DarkestPhoenix]

Boosh! Way to point it out, John.

[Dr Mabuse]

Well, if you are going to care about 95% of the people, you're going to have to promise them something substantial for their votes. That means spending the other 5%'s money.

Don't discount that.

People vote for gifts from the treasury.

[Patman]

McCain just put a surge on Obama.

[DarkestPhoenix]

Pimp out the Biden.

[Venusian]

:lol: Obama is pushing off foreign policy to Biden

[Venusian]

Talking about mismanagement of the war isn't good for Obama because McCain didn't manage it

[hahn]

Ouch. Obama hammering McCain about what he said back in 2003. :)

[Sierra Disc]

"You were wrong!"

Gut punch, ftw

[Venusian]

what's the difference between a tactic and a strategy? i dont know either :(

[hahn]

I like that McCain brought up the over-running costs on some defense projects.

Talking about mismanagement of the war isn't good for Obama because McCain didn't manage itNo, but he did voice his opinions. And they were all wrong.

[Venusian]

Ouch. Obama hammering McCain about what he said back in 2003. :)

so far the best exchange from Obama about iraq

[Rockmjd23]

lol @ Obama bringing up Biden.

[Venusian]

No, but he did voice his opinions. And they were all wrong.

the first answer mccain gave was that the handling of the war was messed up...didn't he?

[Patman]

what's the difference between a tactic and a strategy? i dont know either :(

Strategy is more of a plan, while tactics is more about how to execute the plan.

[gmanca]

Strategy is the overall plan and a tactic is a single execution/part of that plan.

Is General Petraeus his VP?

[DarkestPhoenix]

Oh, shit, heating up now!

[Venusian]

obama explaining the difference in votes is good. kills the soundbite

[Patman]

lol @ Obama bringing up Biden.

Looks like Obama is willing to delegate Commander-in-Chief to his VP. Wha? :D

[Venusian]

How long does this debate last?

[Patman]

Obama is up for killing Osama and taking out Al-Queda. Nice.

[Cygnet74]

to the death.

[Patman]

How long does this debate last?

10:30 p.m. EDT.

[Venusian]

crap. i think i'm going to fall asleep before that. this is lame

[gmanca]

I have to wonder why these two candidates don't try to make more pointed attacks; it's very nuanced and there is no emotional/rational connection to the American people.

[Dr Mabuse]

:lol: Obama is pushing off foreign policy to Biden

Exactly.

That was so obvious.

[Patman]

Obama is up for busting a cap in the Afghan's ass.

It sounds funny when taliban is pronounced "Tallyban" by Obama.

[Venusian]

:lol: "you dont say that out loud"

[Patman]

McCain is giving Obama a lesson in diplomacy on stage.

[Rockmjd23]

"You don't say that out loud" :lol:
ack! Venusian is ahead of us!

[wendersfan]

10:30 p.m. EDT.You mean 2230 EDT don't you?

;)

[Dr Mabuse]

:lol: "you dont say that out loud"

McCain is giving Obama a lesson in diplomacy on stage.

:lol:

[Patman]

McCain is mopping up Obama on this line of questioning, just with the surge of details.

[DarkestPhoenix]

Obama is up for busting a cap in the Afghan's ass.

It sounds funny when taliban is pronounced "Tallyban" by Obama.

Not to mention Pakystahn.

Makes me think of those choco-covered pretzel sticks that are Japanese candy.

[Venusian]

nice jab by obama on mccain singing songs about iran.

[Dr Mabuse]

Obama should have keyed in on that "Bomb Iran" song stuff better, he had a good point there.

[Venusian]

obama is pronouncing it more correctly :)

[Patman]

You mean 2230 EDT don't you?

;)

Oops, sorry, 10:30 p.m. minus 9:00 p.m. :D

[hahn]

McCain is mopping up Obama on this line of questioning, just with the surge of details.Funny, that's not how I see it. I guess that depends on how you're planning on voting in Nov, eh? :)

[JasonF]

Looks like Obama only cares about 95% of us Americans.

I think he'd be OK with winning the election 95-5. ;)

[Venusian]

do we have a yawn smilie?

[gmanca]

LOL, McCain brought up Somalia.

[Venusian]

Obama should have keyed in on that "Bomb Iran" song stuff better, he had a good point there.

mccain brushes it off without addressing it. he should just admit he was wrong.

[Dr Mabuse]

Funny, that's not how I see it. I guess that depends on how you're planning on voting in Nov, eh? :)

Partisan ideology trumps facts every time.

I wouldn't have believed it, nor did I expect it, but McCain is indeed handily winning this debate.

[MACD23]

McCain to Obama on attacking Pakistan " You don't say that out loud!"

Pwned.

[Patman]

Funny, that's not how I see it. I guess that depends on how you're planning on voting in Nov, eh? :)

It's better than straddling a line, no?

McCain is winning the gravitas war in this debate.

[Venusian]

argh. i hate when they bring up "sue in podunk iowa who told me blah blah"

[ChiTownAbs, Inc]

Which August was he talking about?

[dick_grayson]

do we have a yawn smilie?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Yawn.gif

[MACD23]

LOL at the CNN "Analyst scorecard"............WTF is that????

[Venusian]

It's better than straddling a line, no?
nothing wrong with not knowing who you're voting for :p

[wendersfan]

I don't think anyone is winning, but I think McCain is sucking a bit less than Obama.

[Venusian]

the fight of the bracelets!

[Red Dog]

LOL at the CNN "Analyst scorecard"............WTF is that????

Sounds like Compupunch stats on HBO boxing events.

[Patman]

Sadly, it's only the 10% of the undecideds that these debates are all about, anyway.

[Venusian]

"you don't muddle through a land war in asia!" ;)

[gmanca]

argh. i hate when they bring up "sue in podunk iowa who told me blah blah"

Man, this sucks. Soldiers are now the new Etta Munsens.

Al Gore (http://snltranscripts.jt.org/00/00adebate.phtml): Her name is Etta Munsen. She's 94, she's a widow living on Social Security in Sparta, Tennessee. Etta was born with only one kidney. She also suffers from poilo, spinal menengitis, lung, liver, and pancreatic cancer, an enlarged heart, diabetes, and a rare form of styctic acne.

[Venusian]

why does traveling there mean that much?

[Patman]

McCain: I travel alot.

[Rockmjd23]

McCain really rambled on and on with Somalia, Lebanon and bracelets and bullshit like that. Obama should have pounced on him after that but then he started his own. :lol:

[Venusian]

He just dropped the Holocaust card

[Patman]

I think Obama was going to show his yellow "Livestrong" bracelet...

[CharlieK]

Aw, darn. No second holocaust. You stink, McCain!

[DarkestPhoenix]

argh. I hate when they bring up "sue in podunk iowa who told me blah blah"

don't talk shit about podunk, iowa!!!

[drc]

John McCain is against holocausts. Phew.

[gmanca]

He and Palin are on the same page.

[Red Dog]

He just dropped the Holocaust card

So ridiculous.

[Venusian]

More sanctions. boring

[Dr Mabuse]

the fight of the bracelets!

Jim...

MY bracelet has the actual blood of both the poor indigent mother, AND an actual soldier on it. And it was given to me as the last living act of the mother.

[Venusian]

i have to run a 10k in the morning. this better get more entertaining or i'm going to have to choose the bed over it

[DarkestPhoenix]

Good luck in the run, Venusian.

[Venusian]

the thing that has helped iran is oil.

[gmanca]

This is terrible; I think they need pyrotechnics and Home Depot Hat Races for the following debates.

[Dr Mabuse]

don't talk shit about podunk, iowa!!!

The Podunks were a tribe of Indians who lived early on in our country.

[Patman]

Looks like Iran and nukes are bad. Next question!

[Venusian]

Obama: better sanctions.

really? come on. give me something to work with here

[CharlieK]

McCain can put an ad together with all the 'Sen. McCain is absolutely right' statements by Obama.

[hahn]

You guys are making fun of Obama for actually taking the time to learn how pronounce those names correctly. Surprise, surprise.

[CharlieK]

I can't pronounce it either.

[gmanca]

Ahk-minidenijahd! Slurred speech ftw!

[wendersfan]

I hate having two senators as the candidates:

"Senator McCain voted to maim puppies!"
"Yeah, but Senator Obama voted to toss infants in a blender!"
"No, I only voted to end cloture on the debate to whether we should toss them in a blender!"
"Did so!"
"Did not!"
...

[Venusian]

You guys are making fun of Obama for actually taking the time to learn how pronounce those names correctly. Surprise, surprise.

we discussed that 10 minutes ago. catch up ;)

i suspect he knows how to pronounce it because of his time in se asia.


mccain is name dropping old people

[MACD23]

He just dropped the Holocaust card

Yeah, because Iran hasn't loudly and publicly called for the destruction of the state of Israel or anything. How dare McCain "fear monger".

[hahn]

John McCain is against holocausts. Phew.
Senator McCain is absolutely right. There. I said it too. :)

[Patman]

Good thing McCain took his Ginkobaloba today.

[Red Dog]

Well I'm glad one of them realized where the real power in Iran doesn't lie.

[Venusian]

Did Obama just praise Bush?

[wendersfan]

I think Senator Obama is picking up ground a bit now.

[DarkestPhoenix]

The Podunks were a tribe of Indians who lived early on in our country.

I was referencing Tourette's Guy and his DON'T TALK SHIT ABOUT TOTAL! stance.

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[Patman]

Obama is backing away from his "no preconditions" with "preparations".

[starman9000]

McCain to Obama on attacking Pakistan " You don't say that out loud!"

Pwned.

Yep, you should keep your foreign policy to yourself in a foreign policy debate.

[Venusian]

"I don't even have a seal yet" *crickets*

[scc15]

Someone shake Bill Bennett and see if he's still awake.

[Brent L]

"I don't even have a seal yet..."

heh

Obama's main problem with debates seems to be he'll make a few good points, but he wont stop while he's ahead and he'll go one step past what's good enough for him, and in doing so he can put his foot in his mouth.

[Venusian]

You don't legitimize comments by talking to someone. Do we agree with every comment everyone we have diplomatic ties with says?

[DarkestPhoenix]

"I don't even have a seal yet" *crickets*

C'mon, I heard a few chuckles.

I laughed, too.

[Patman]

"I don't even have a seal yet" *crickets*

The audience is supposed to stay silient through the debate, though there have been a few chuckles tonight.

[Dr Mabuse]

Obama is backing away from his "no preconditions" with "preparations".

Yep.

He looks angry. He's losing this thing and I think he knows it..

[gmanca]

Taliban Press Ambassador was in New York in 2001. They called us "dangerous" things yet they were still being negotiated with.

[Patman]

"Loo-oo-ooo-oook"

[Rockmjd23]

Well I'm glad one of them realized where the real power in Iran doesn't lie.
Yeah, good luck negotiating in that area. ;)

[Red Dog]

You don't legitimize comments by talking to someone. Do we agree with every comment everyone we have diplomatic ties with says?

I never understood that mentality.

[Patman]

"What is the definition of "is"?"

[Venusian]

i dont think he's losing it. i'd say its a tie so far

[Patman]

"Oh please!"

[Venusian]

Kissinger will be making the rounds tomorrow

[ChiTownAbs, Inc]

Oh please :lol:

35 years!!!!!

[Venusian]

my running mate can see russia from her house ;)

[scc15]

i dont think he's losing it. i'd say its a tie so far

Which, in a debate about foreign policy, is a victory for Obama.

[Patman]

Kissinger on the comeback trail. Thanks, Obama!

[starman9000]

i dont think he's losing it. i'd say its a tie so far

Judging by this thread, the win/loss vote for the debate was shockingly decided before it took place.

[MACD23]

You don't legitimize comments by talking to someone. Do we agree with every comment everyone we have diplomatic ties with says?

Do others we disagree with threaten to kill you us, and mean it whole heartedly? Because that is the equivelancy. McCain is 100% spot on on this one. Legitimizing these rogue terrorist leaders by granting them an audience with the President would be disgraceful.

[Patman]

Did Obama just promise subsidies to 95% of all the democracies in the world? :D

[Venusian]

Do people on here threaten to kill you and your family, and mean it whole heartedly? Because that is the equivelancy. McCain is 100% spot on on this one. Legitimizing these rogue terrorist leaders by granting them an audience with the President would be disgraceful.

that isn't the same as what i said. you dont legitimize all of someone's opinino by talking to them.

those leaders are already "legit". we may not like them but ignoring htem doesnt change the facts on the ground

[Venusian]

McCain calling out naivety. ouch.

[ChiTownAbs, Inc]

he just used the "I looked in Putin's eyes and saw 3 letters: a K a G a B" line :lol:

[Venusian]

McCain touting his travels again

[DarkestPhoenix]

I would recommend the POTUS not talking to any terrorists, present or former. Including Bill Ayers...

[Venusian]

he just used the "I looked in Putin's eyes and saw 3 letters: a K a G a B" :lol:

Putin getting cataracts?

[Patman]

At least when McCain talks about the foreign policy stuff, you don't get the idea that he was just reading books on the topics, but actually lived through the changes over time.

[Venusian]

I would recommend the POTUS not talking to any terrorists, present or former. Including Bill Ayers...

what about gadalfi?

[gmanca]

McCain is one of those rich elite "backpackers."

[Venusian]

At least when McCain talks about the foreign policy stuff, you don't get the idea that he was just reading books on the topics, but actually lived through the changes over time.

that's because he's old :p

[wendersfan]

Why doesn't McCain just pass around his passport? :lol:

[MACD23]

that isn't the same as what i said. you dont legitimize all of someone's opinino by talking to them.

those leaders are already "legit". we may not like them but ignoring htem doesnt change the facts on the ground


That is why McCain has issues with Obama wanting to meet them with "no preconditions". If they renounce their earlier claims re Israel and admit their right to exist, for example, then maybe we can talk. But Obama wants to meet these looneys with no strings attached and once he does, he legitimizes everything they've previously said.

[Dr Mabuse]

Like on this understanding of the larger energy issue of Georgia.

McCain is clearly showing the stark difference in the level of experience here.

"They both should show restraint". McCain delivered that well. He's blown some others.

[Patman]

Can't wait to download the torrent of this debate. Ooo-whee!

[Sierra Disc]

"Watch Ukraine," "Watch Ukraine!"

[Brent L]

Eh, Obama is saying things like "John McCain is right" and "I agree with him" far too much. He's pretty much putting together McCain's next ad for him.

[Patman]

that's because he's old :p

and actually remembers the shit he's seen and experienced.

[Venusian]

That is why McCain has issues with Obama wanting to meet them with "no preconditions". If they renounce their earlier claims re Israel and admit their right to exist, for example, then maybe we can talk. But Obama wants to meet these looneys with no strings attached and once he does, he legitimizes everything they've previously said.

how is he legitimizing it? do you agree with everything everyone you ever met with said? that's just ridiculous.

We met with Arafat, should that have been avoided?

[Flipper]

Obama should appoint McCain as his Secretary of Defense.

[Patman]

6 more minutes and the spin machines get started up again.