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DJariya
09-23-08, 05:32 AM
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Synopsis:



Following a fire at the Armenian safe house that killed two of his lieutenants, Rezian asks Vic to set up a meeting with the Mexicans, who think (thanks to Vic) that the Armenians have Pezuela's blackmail box. Meanwhile, an angry Cassidy goes to Danny with questions about her father; and Dutch questions a teenager who shot an intruder, who turns out to be the youth's classmate. Rita: Frances Farmer.

Kicker_of_Elves
09-23-08, 08:17 AM
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bee_01
09-23-08, 11:02 PM
Well that's quite a pickle.

MrX
09-23-08, 11:12 PM
Hopefully Cassidy gets assassinated next week

Nice reveal at the end about the Fed.

stingermck
09-23-08, 11:13 PM
Whew. This season is right beside 24: Season 5 for my favorite season on TV

dadaluholla
09-23-08, 11:36 PM
Meh... I'm enjoying Dutch and Billings more than this Mexican/Armenian drama.

ckw4b
09-24-08, 02:01 AM
Meh for me as well. I want to change the channel every time Cassidy, Dani or Cathy Ryan is on my TV screen.

And Shane is right - Vic doesn't need Pezuela to get out of the Armenian pickle and just fucking things up for everyone else by trying to save his job.

Charlie Goose
09-24-08, 08:15 AM
Meh... I'm enjoying Dutch and Billings more than this Mexican/Armenian drama.
Yes, me too. Only Dutch could take a simple home invasion case and find a potential serial killer. The cats in his neighborhood are already trembling with fear. :lol:

sauce07
09-24-08, 10:19 AM
so did anbody else get the impression that Shane has been asked to killl Vic?

macnorton
09-24-08, 10:24 AM
Whew. This season is right beside 24: Season 5 for my favorite season on TV

+1, this season has been firing on all cylinders right out of the gate.

Doc MacGyver
09-24-08, 11:07 AM
+1, this season has been firing on all cylinders right out of the gate.

Except the "family" cylinder. That bitch blew the piston right out the damn car. I haven't hated a television daughter this much since Kim Bauer was attacked by a cougar. At least SHE was easy on the eyes, though. Not only do we have to sit through TERRIBLE acting, but we have to put up with it coming from a mongoloid amazon with unrealistic career goals. Your dad was the commish and Vic Mackey. Doesn't make you the next Glenn Close, kid. Do yourself a favor: Go to college.


-Doc

Charlie Goose
09-24-08, 12:44 PM
She's not quite 15, yet she towers over her father. That's gotta suck.

boobietheclown
09-24-08, 12:59 PM
Nice reveal at the end about the Fed.

Can someone explain this for me...I missed it.

Also, something about this season is just not up to par with previous seasons. I cant place it yet and it may just be the long layoff...who knows. Either way I am in til the end.

Thanks!

JohnSlider
09-24-08, 01:20 PM
Can someone explain this for me...I missed it.

Also, something about this season is just not up to par with previous seasons. I cant place it yet and it may just be the long layoff...who knows. Either way I am in til the end.

Thanks!

Apparently Pezuela had something in the blackmail box on her and she is in his pocket. So Aceveda and Mackey realized that they are likely on Cruz's hit list now because the fed likely fed him information on their plan.

Phod
09-24-08, 01:21 PM
Olivia was in the "blackmail box" which means she's basically working for the cartel and has been feeding info back to them. It's why she claimed to have no idea who that one guy was.

CKMorpheus
09-24-08, 01:29 PM
Shit didn't see that coming. It's amazing how Vic is keeping track of all this manipulation. He's gonna slip sooner or later. If he could only let Pezuela go, maybe he'd even be able to take care of the Armenians. :(

macnorton
09-24-08, 02:10 PM
Except the "family" cylinder. That bitch blew the piston right out the damn car. I haven't hated a television daughter this much since Kim Bauer was attacked by a cougar. At least SHE was easy on the eyes, though. Not only do we have to sit through TERRIBLE acting, but we have to put up with it coming from a mongoloid amazon with unrealistic career goals. Your dad was the commish and Vic Mackey. Doesn't make you the next Glenn Close, kid. Do yourself a favor: Go to college.


-Doc

Well it doesn't pull me away from the show or the story at all, so it doesn't bother me. And it is a small portion (that last what 3-4 mins max?) of the show, so no biggie.

n.phelge
09-24-08, 02:25 PM
Olivia was in the "blackmail box" which means she's basically working for the cartel and has been feeding info back to them. It's why she claimed to have no idea who that one guy was.

How have they exposed themselves to her other than asking about that one guy - was there anything else? That question could be passed off as them just trying to get some background on who they were dealing with.

devilshalo
09-24-08, 04:31 PM
You know.. if they ever do decide to do some spin off show, I would watch Dutch & Billings weekly. :up:

Nice that Vic gets back at the City Controller, too. :up:

I still think this is going down the path where Cassidey kills Vic. :down:

dadaluholla
09-24-08, 04:55 PM
I still think this is going down the path where Cassidey kills Vic.

That would be right up there with the Sopranos for worst series finales ever.

devilshalo
09-24-08, 05:06 PM
How have they exposed themselves to her other than asking about that one guy - was there anything else? That question could be passed off as them just trying to get some background on who they were dealing with.
Considering the Vic "tipped" her off to the guy (Aramboles) that had the box to begin with on an arms raid, I'd say she gave Pazuela enough info about who actually may have the intel box.

Red Dog
09-24-08, 05:11 PM
I'm enjoying Dutch and Billings more than this Mexican/Armenian drama.


I kind of feel the same way.

Deftones
09-24-08, 06:44 PM
You know.. if they ever do decide to do some spin off show, I would watch Dutch & Billings weekly. :up:

as much as i absolutely hate spin offs, this is one case where i'd completely support it 100%. seems like Dutch has almost become the second primary character on the show, due to how well his character is written. i love any time he's on screen.

CKMorpheus
09-24-08, 06:47 PM
Are we going to see the Serial Killer kid pop up again in the last few episodes? I hope so, I'm interested to see where they take it.

Red Dog
09-24-08, 06:51 PM
as much as i absolutely hate spin offs, this is one case where i'd completely support it 100%. seems like Dutch has almost become the second primary character on the show, due to how well his character is written. i love any time he's on screen.


Yep. It could be a detective drama rarely if ever seen on tv - a long term dysfunctional partnership where 1 detective is basically mailing it in and counting the days toward retirement: a true police odd couple.

Deftones
09-24-08, 06:54 PM
Are we going to see the Serial Killer kid pop up again in the last few episodes? I hope so, I'm interested to see where they take it.

can't see why they wouldn't. they have a knack for introducing stuff like that early then revisiting it later in the season.

wm lopez
09-24-08, 07:24 PM
This episode was the 1st episode that just had me sitting there like if I was watching 2 bad teams on MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL. So far this season is not like the others.
It may have JUMPED THE SHARK when the cop was fooled and lost his lawsuit.

Gunde
09-25-08, 09:17 AM
Except the "family" cylinder. That bitch blew the piston right out the damn car. I haven't hated a television daughter this much since Kim Bauer was attacked by a cougar. At least SHE was easy on the eyes, though. Not only do we have to sit through TERRIBLE acting, but we have to put up with it coming from a mongoloid amazon with unrealistic career goals. Your dad was the commish and Vic Mackey. Doesn't make you the next Glenn Close, kid. Do yourself a favor: Go to college.


-Doc
I think you need to blame Chiklis.
She was probably 8 when they started filming the first season so I'm sure it was his idea

spainlinx0
09-25-08, 09:41 AM
Have to agree. This season has something missing.

Doc MacGyver
09-25-08, 10:26 AM
I think you need to blame Chiklis.
She was probably 8 when they started filming the first season so I'm sure it was his idea

He said in one of the commentaries that she approached him and said she wants to become an actor and that she begged him to be on the show. It's actually pretty amusing, because he's complimenting her, but you can tell his heart's not in it. The rest of the guys on the track (Lem, Cletus, Ronnie) don't really agree with the praise either, it just sort of hangs there like a fart in church :lol:


-Doc

Goldblum
09-25-08, 11:27 AM
So far, the worst season of the bunch. But this is The Shield, so that's still pretty damn good. However, this show has had a habit of rising above crappy season openers. Season 5 strikes me as a prime example.

Goldblum
09-25-08, 11:30 AM
I forgot to mention...

The Cassidy thing needs to be put to rest immediately and some real drama needs to be interjected in its place. Usually The Shield has so many things going on at once that, while it can be hard to follow at times, it keeps your attention so you don't miss anything. This season so far has been very linear and easy to follow. The Laurie Holden character apparently being bad is the only real surprise so far.

That said, I'm confident the writers will step it up a notch. If I'm wrong, then the series should have ended with Season 6 (with the latter half of that season having been rewritten to tie up all the loose ends).

Thos19
09-25-08, 12:30 PM
That would be right up there with the Sopranos for worst series finales ever.

I thought this paragraph from an article about the Shield in EW was reassuring:

As for the show's final episode, Ryan began to conceptualize it right around the time another antihero was ending his run over on HBO in June 2007. Ryan's quick to assure fans, however, that The Sopranos' controversial smash-to-black finale had no influence on how he dealt with Vic or the rest of his dirty Strike Teamers. ''I didn't like it. I thought it was insulting to fans,'' says Ryan of the mobster's exit. ''I don't mind that David Chase didn't kill or arrest Tony. It's his prerogative. It just seemed he knew that people were looking for some kind of satisfaction and either he didn't know how to give it to them or he didn't want to give it to them. To me, a great novel has an ending. The ending can be controversial and not what you can expect. But it should be respectful of what preceded it.''

Sums my feelings up on the Soprano's finale pretty accurately.

Thos.

PacMan2006
09-25-08, 02:11 PM
I agree with the fact that something about this season just feels off. I don't quite know what the problem is, but something's not right.

tbird2340
09-25-08, 03:44 PM
I agree with the fact that something about this season just feels off. I don't quite know what the problem is, but something's not right.

Put me in this boat as well.. Especially since I just watched Seasons 1-6 back to back this past month.. I was all fired up to flow right in to another season of awesomness.. That has not been the case, yet..

Cassidy store line = TEH SUCK.. Beating a dead horse here when I say she is TERRIBLE at acting yet they are giving her the most screen time she's had in the entire series!?

I'm glad they went away from the Billings "goof" angle and went back to old school Dutch / Billings.. They had it goin on in this episode..

I'm also trying to think of how Vic screwed himself with the Fed agent.. I don't remember him saying anything to her about the box, I surely may be mistaken..

If he has told her then I would think she would try to get closer to him (Vic), not go and tell Penzuella. If she gets close to Vic (you know she's going to sleep with him) then she possibly gets the location of said box from Vic and then possibly gets her incriminating info back and thus out of Penzuella's hold..

DthRdrX
09-25-08, 03:56 PM
I figured that FED was there for a different reason when she showed up.

I have to watch the last two episodes over. I don't remember Vic mentioning anything about Aceveda to her, yet Vic told Aceveda they are both targets now. Was Vic spinning Aceveda again?

Aegean2007
09-25-08, 05:25 PM
Are we going to see the Serial Killer kid pop up again in the last few episodes? I hope so, I'm interested to see where they take it.

IMDb doesn't even have him (Kyle Gallner) listed for the episode he was in, so I don't know, but his mom (Frances Fisher) is listed for 3 more episodes, so I'd say it's a good bet that he'll be back.

wm lopez
09-25-08, 06:49 PM
Have to agree. This season has something missing. Best excuse I can think of is the writers strike.
Remember some of these episodes were filmed a long time ago and then the show was shut down cause of the strike.

Matthew Ackerly
09-26-08, 01:47 PM
Best excuse I can think of is the writers strike.
Remember some of these episodes were filmed a long time ago and then the show was shut down cause of the strike.

The last day of shooting the series was the first day of the strike.

The show was never shutdown.

wm lopez
09-27-08, 08:08 AM
The last day of shooting the series was the first day of the strike.

The show was never shutdown.

So why didn't the show start in March?

Patman
09-27-08, 02:53 PM
I'm in favor of corporal punishiment when it comes to the character of Cassidy.

It was funny in how it motivated Dani into getting Vic to sign the paperwork to give up all paternal rights to their child, though. :D

Looks like "Beaver" is really growing up to be a true sociopath, let's hope Billings & Dutch get a second crack at him before the show comes to an end.

dvd182
09-27-08, 05:01 PM
I don't think the concept that is behind the Cassidy storyline is that bad, it's just the acting with all parties involved minus Michael Chiklis is atrocious. The Sopranos did a particularly good job handling child response to very public questionable activities by a father.

EdTheRipper
09-27-08, 09:54 PM
I agree with the fact that something about this season just feels off. I don't quite know what the problem is, but something's not right.

Put me in this boat as well.. Especially since I just watched Seasons 1-6 back to back this past month.. I was all fired up to flow right in to another season of awesomness.. That has not been the case, yet..


Same for me. I've spent the past few weeks re-watching the previous seasons and it's had me amped for this run. So far, there really hasn't been anything to really get me into it. Hopefully it'll pick up steam in the coming weeks.

DJariya
09-28-08, 01:05 AM
So why didn't the show start in March?

You have to keep in mind that principal photography ended last Fall. However, due to the WGA strike Shawn Ryan had to stay away from working on this show and from the editing room. As Producer/Showrunner Ryan oversees final editing all the episodes and since he didn't get a chance to do that last Fall, I'm assuming that is one the main reasons for the long postponement. It would have been impossible to turn around and re-edit all 13 episodes for a Spring start. I believe he wasn't even on set for the last few episodes shot including the series finale. The show is his baby and he's not going to let any of them hit air without his stamp of approval.

Sticky Bomb
09-28-08, 03:06 PM
dont you think vic is running a little much of the whole war between the armenians and the mexicans thing. I dont think he could orchestrate this dynamic as well as he has. how could either party be this gulible to believe him and kill people because of it.
People are going to jail(the two mexican kids for the fire and the armenian mob bosses for the guns). Somewhere vics name would have to be linked in there trials.
It all seems to be working out a little to perfectly.
I agree the dutch/billings stories are the best part of this seasons storylines. Billings seems to be a very good detective when he wants to be.