Now with more flavor and better stain fighting ability.

Now with more flavor and better stain fighting ability.
You sexist pig.

Typical GOP tactic to label something "new and improved" when it's just more of the same old thing.

;)

This one does have a nice tan.

Similarly, my problem with Governor Palin isn't her inexperience, it's that she appears to be a petty, venal, corrupt tin-pot
Those are some "negatives."

Do you think that perhaps that "appearance" is because the few issues that have been brought to light have been under a microscope in grand fashion over a very short period of time (given how new she is to the spotlight)? Do you really feel that the list of issues "against" Obama is shorter and less founded?

Do you feel that you are giving Palin a fair chance?

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/4906/palinfactcompasseslargeuf6.png
http://www.palinfacts.com/

You sexist pig.

Typical GOP tactic to label something "new and improved" when it's just more of the same old thing.

;)

This one does have a nice tan.
:lol:

What an awesome start to the new thread.

:lol:

What an awesome start to the new thread.

Wouldn't wanna disappoint anybody! :lol:

Those are some "negatives."

Do you think that perhaps that "appearance" is because the few issues that have been brought to light have been under a microscope in grand fashion over a very short period of time (given how new she is to the spotlight)? Do you really feel that the list of issues "against" Obama is shorter and less founded?

Do you feel that you are giving Palin a fair chance?

I'm trying to give her a fair chance, but the more I find out about her, the less I like her. There's a lot coming out about her hiring practices -- she apparently gives jobs out to her friends regardless of qualifications -- and firing practices -- Troopergate, her actions when she first became mayor of Wasilla -- that bother me.

Should we start adding roman numerals so that we can differentiate which Troopergate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troopergate) is which?

I'm trying to give her a fair chance, but the more I find out about her, the less I like her. There's a lot coming out about her hiring practices -- she apparently gives jobs out to her friends regardless of qualifications -- and firing practices -- Troopergate, her actions when she first became mayor of Wasilla -- that bother me.


"You're doing a great job, Brownie!"

Change, yep that's what McCain/Palin represents.

Let's stop these petty attacks on this woman NOW.

Perhaps that has something to do with where you are looking for your information about her. You're focusing on the negative.

Did you know, for instance:

*First-ever female governor of Alaska
*She is Christian and pro-life, but also a supporter of birth control: she's a member of Feminists For Life (FFL), an anti-abortion, pro-contraception organization.
*Scored the final point — a free-throw — of the 1982 state championship game that Wasilla won against Anchorage
*Degree in journalism
*Married her highschool sweetheart
*A working mom!
*As mayor of Wasilla, she cut her own salary, and was appointed ethics commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission.
*Palin was elected governor after campaigning as a reformer, and shortly after taking office, she passed a sweeping ethics reform bill regulating lobbyist activities and forcing more disclosure from lawmakers.
*She smoked pot. "I can't claim a Bill Clinton and say that I never inhaled," she said.
*Palin has enjoyed approval ratings in Alaska as high as 90%. These are the people for whom Palin isn't 4 weeks old. They know her and have been watching.



Source: Time

See, I'll bet you're liking her more already.

How do Obama's personal approval ratings (by the people that elected him) compare to Palin's? That's actually a stat I haven't come across yet that would be interesting to see. I think Obama has been pretty high at times... 70's?

*Degree in journalismAck, she's a liberal plant!

I think Obama has been pretty high at times... 70's?
Yes, but I think he's cleaned up his act since then.

:lol:

*She smoked pot.

I'm wavering! If she likes Pink Floyd then she gets my vote!

Yes, but I think he's cleaned up his act since then.

You must live in a bubble...rotfl

She does like Pink Floyd. Just not that "Pink" rocker girl.

Perhaps that has something to do with where you are looking for your information about her. You're focusing on the negative.

Did you know, for instance:

*First-ever female governor of Alaska
*She is Christian and pro-life, but also a supporter of birth control: she's a member of Feminists For Life (FFL), an anti-abortion, pro-contraception organization.
*Scored the final point — a free-throw — of the 1982 state championship game that Wasilla won against Anchorage
*Degree in journalism
*Married her highschool sweetheart
*A working mom!
*As mayor of Wasilla, she cut her own salary, and was appointed ethics commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission.
*Palin was elected governor after campaigning as a reformer, and shortly after taking office, she passed a sweeping ethics reform bill regulating lobbyist activities and forcing more disclosure from lawmakers.
*She smoked pot. "I can't claim a Bill Clinton and say that I never inhaled," she said.
*Palin has enjoyed approval ratings in Alaska as high as 90%. These are the people for whom Palin isn't 4 weeks old. They know her and have been watching.

Source: Time

See, I'll bet you're liking her more already.
I now have a warm feeling in my tummy. Of course, it could be due to the hot tea I just drank.

*She smoked pot. "I can't claim a Bill Clinton and say that I never inhaled," she said.



Of course now (after she was able to smoke it legally under Alaska law) she thinks it ought to be criminalized:

As mayor of Wasilla in 2000, Palin championed a city council resolution opposing a ballot initiative that would have legalized marijuana for adults. Last March her administration asked the Alaska Supreme Court to reverse its 1975 decision shielding private marijuana use, arguing that the drug is more dangerous than it used to be.

The other thread was closed for length? Silly Venusian Palin likes gerth...

Of course now (after she was able to smoke it legally under Alaska law) she thinks it ought to be criminalized:
Do any of the 4 favor any measure of decriminalization of pot? I would assume not, but perhaps Obama has said something about going after real criminals.

No. None of them do. If anything, Biden is the worst of the lot on the matter.

I would assume not, but perhaps Obama has said something about going after real criminals.

Yeah, but he was talking about the Republicans.

Yeah, but he was talking about the Republicans.
rotfl
I do wonder who the libertarians favor between McCain and Obama. Can any of you guys enlighten me?

rotfl
I do wonder who the libertarians favor between McCain and Obama. Can any of you guys enlighten me?


I favor neither. They both stink on ice.

Can any of you guys enlighten me?
Yes I can.

What is the sound of one hand clapping?

Yeah, but he was talking about the Republicans.


rotflrotflrotflrotflrotfl

Thanks Thor I needed that!!!!

I favor neither. They both stink on ice.
I figured as much. I don't currently plan on voting for either. But if someone had a gun to your head, who would you pick and why? Just curious.

Anonymous (the Scientology protestors) got access Sarah Palin's personal emails

Did the internet just cause Sarah Palin to destroy evidence? The potential Veep is in a bit of trouble for conducting state business using her personal, unarchived email address (gov.sarah@yahoo.com) instead of her official account (which is, of course, subject to laws requiring the retention of government records). Emails from that Yahoo account are already being sought in connection with the Troopergate investigation. Now comes word that Anonymous, the fun-loving Internet trouble-makers based loosely around the message board 4Chan, gained access to another Palin email account: gov.palin@yahoo.com. It looks legit! The offending posts, screenshots, heretofore unseen family photos, and emails have all been deleted from Imageshack and 4Chan. But we have them. You want to read Sarah Palin's email?

http://gawker.com/5051193/sarah-palins-personal-emails

I figured as much. I don't currently plan on voting for either. But if someone had a gun to your head, who would you pick and why? Just curious.


I'd say pull the trigger.

I'm trying to give her a fair chance
:lol: There's a lot of funny in this thread so far!

I'd say pull the trigger.
Oh, come on. We all know that your single vote wouldn't matter anyway.

Anonymous (the Scientology protestors) got access Sarah Palin's personal emails



http://gawker.com/5051193/sarah-palins-personal-emails

first, terrible yahoo email address.

second, :lol:

third, i'd be pissed if it happened to me

first, terrible yahoo email address.

second, :lol:

third, i'd be pissed if it happened to mehttp://i37.tinypic.com/e8pac0.jpg

:doh: :)

I do wonder who the libertarians favor between McCain and Obama. Can any of you guys enlighten me?I favor neither. They both stink on ice.I figured as much. I don't currently plan on voting for either. But if someone had a gun to your head, who would you pick and why? Just curious.I'd say pull the trigger.
:up:rotfl:up:

Anonymous (the Scientology protestors) got access Sarah Palin's personal emails



http://gawker.com/5051193/sarah-palins-personal-emails

Love some of the comments on that page:

"I figured her personal email address would be something like Milfygov123...shows what I know. "

"Well, we can certainly count on one thing in all of this mess: John McCain won't understand any of it. "

:lol:

Palin takes rare impromptu question from national press
Posted: 02:15 PM ET
From CNN Political Producer Peter Hamby

CLEVELAND, Ohio (CNN) — Sarah Palin took her first impromptu question in weeks from a reporter traveling with her campaign Wednesday while shaking hands at a restaurant called Karl's Inn of the Barristers in Cleveland.

A pool reporter from the national press corps asked Palin's reaction to the federal bailout of insurance giant AIG.

Palin said she is "disappointed that taxpayers are called upon to bailout another one."

"Certainly AIG, though, with the construction bonds that they're holding, and with the insurance that they are holding, very, very impactful to Americans," she said. "So you know, the shot that has been called by the feds, its understandable but very, very disappointing that taxpayers are called upon for another one."

The reporter asked Palin if she had plans to come to the back of the campaign plane to chat with the reporters who cover her as she campaigns around the country.

"We're getting lonely back there," the reporter said.

"Are you getting lonely?," Palin answered. "Gee, yeah, come on up then!"

When Palin entered the restaurant with her husband Todd, she introduced herself to about 10 patrons as "Sarah," and told them, "Excuse me for interrupting your meal." It was Palin's first retail campaign stop since the day McCain tapped her as his running mate.

(Updated to correct that Palin has responded briefly to at least two questions from a national reporter, most recently during a walk-through at the Republican National Convention)http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

At least she is a courteous pitbull. :shrug:

I feel like I'm glowing. Those were really good answers. Go girl!

:lol: I crack myself up.

I feel like I'm glowing. Those were really good answers. Go girl!Nah, those were very, very good answers. ;)

Sarah I wanna have your baby..... oops.

bad bad bad

rotfl

http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1919

September 17th, 2008
Sarah Palin’s Yahoo account hijacked, e-mails posted online
....
I hope the FBI gets these people and puts them in jail.

Now we have a better understanding as to why McCain doesn't use Email :)

Now we have a better understanding as to why McCain doesn't use Email :)

It isn't that he's out of touch - he's security conscious!

If Obama's email was hacked, how quickly would the Republicans be accused?

I think they're already trying. They're that devious.

<img src=http://gawker.com/assets/images/gawker/2008/09/family2.jpg>

:lol: It's a good pic of a family that seems to be happy.

I haven't seen any photos of the New And Improved Sarah Palin since she left Alaska. Were the upgrades worth the wait? When is that town hall?

<img src=http://gawker.com/assets/images/gawker/2008/09/family2.jpg>

:lol: It's a good pic of a family that seems to be happy.


Wow. I didn't realize the retarded one was that old. And that cute.

:p

http://politsk.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah_13.html

The Sarah Palin baby name generator. I am Drink Hack Palin. :lol:

My poor friend Sherri Miller is Scat Dubya Palin.

The following is a transcript of a statement by McCain campaign spokeswoman Meghan Stapleton at a press conference yesterday in Anchorage. A reliable source in Alaska sent me a transcript,which I have posted below. This event was reported by the media (http://aprn.org/2008/09/15/palin-campaign-now-says-monegan-was-fired-for-insubordination/), but I think it's far better to have a full copy of Ms. Stapleton's opening remarks.

More here (http://palinforvp.blogspot.com/2008/09/troopergate-press-conference-transcript.html).http://palinforvp.blogspot.com/2008/09/troopergate-press-conference-transcript.html

A timeline perspective of Troopergate here (http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/29/palins-troopergate-beating-msm-distortions-to-the-truth/).
I now have a headache... ugh. :sad:

http://politsk.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah_13.html

The Sarah Palin baby name generator. I am Drink Hack Palin. :lol:

My poor friend Sherri Miller is Scat Dubya Palin.


You can call me Tank Dent Palin.

Wow. I didn't realize the retarded one was that old. And that cute.

:p
That smiley looks almost exactly like her.

We need a Palin smiley. :mad:

http://politsk.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah_13.html

The Sarah Palin baby name generator. I am Drink Hack Palin. :lol:

My poor friend Sherri Miller is Scat Dubya Palin.

I'm Claw Washout Palin. :(

"Bigger Channel Palin"

:whofart:

http://politsk.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah_13.html

The Sarah Palin baby name generator. I am Drink Hack Palin. :lol:

My poor friend Sherri Miller is Scat Dubya Palin.The generator works with just single names too. So with first, middle, and last name I am:

Drill Swollen Palin
Mole Valdez Palin
Ripper Shook Palin
I will go with Ripper Shook Palin. :bdance:

EDIT: With full name it is Falter Locust Palin... I will keep Ripper Shook.

We need a Palin smiley. :mad:

Here is my proposal:

<img src="http://www.imageadventures.com/other/thor_palin.gif">

MOOSE, MOOOSE, MOOOOSE :lol:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1919

I hope the FBI gets these people and puts them in jail.

Well the authorities have been notified. I think we can all agree it's a crappy thing to do to someone regardless of if you agree with their political views or not.

Well the authorities have been notified. I think we can all agree it's a crappy thing to do to someone regardless of if you agree with their political views or not.

I agree.

if you were born to Sarah Palin, your name would be:

Block Lionel Palin

I'm Claw Washout Palin. :(

Krinkle Bearcat Palin .

Because I'm that awesome.

If Sarah Palin has nothing to hide, then she'll be all right.

Michael Hudson, if you were born to Sarah Palin, your name would be:

Crust Scramble Palin


:lol:

http://politsk.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah_13.html

The Sarah Palin baby name generator. I am Drink Hack Palin. :lol:

My poor friend Sherri Miller is Scat Dubya Palin.

I'm Fog Piles Palin! WTF! rotfl

The Palin kids have ready-made names for Ultimate Fighting Championships.

No. None of them do. If anything, Biden is the worst of the lot on the matter.

He's just cranky 'cause Palin has three threads to his one.

Expect a complaint surrounding the Fairness Doctrine.

Equal Time in Otterville!

Hi, I'm Buster Taint Palin.

Speck Backfire Palin reporting for duty! :banana:

Hi, I'm Buster Taint Palin.

Well, mine was Stag Tunnel Palin.

Maybe we can both join the porn industry.

The generator works with just single names too. So with first, middle, and last name I am:

Drill Swollen Palin
Mole Valdez Palin
Ripper Shook Palin
I will go with Ripper Shook Palin. :bdance:

EDIT: With full name it is Falter Locust Palin... I will keep Ripper Shook.

You should have picked the first. Then Mama Sarah could have called for you with,

"Drill, Baby, Drill".

Any links to the Hannity interview yet?

God, I wish I could change my user name here to my Palin name:
Steak Shed Palin

Bowl Antler Palin. Thanks, mom!

<img src="http://www.imageadventures.com/other/thor_palin.gif">

They call me Slicer Mission Palin!

Instead of hacking her email account, they should have hacked her EBay account. Instead of planes, they could list the whole state.

My name is Nixon Hailfire Palin.

I had to laugh at this protest sign:
"What the difference between Sarah Palin and George W. Bush? Lipstick."

:lol:

Well the authorities have been notified. I think we can all agree it's a crappy thing to do to someone regardless of if you agree with their political views or not.

Nobody likes some good irony?

First Dude Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ton2CnuSKKo
First Dude Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYrxRc4YCgE
First Dude Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu9aTV5j9MM
First Dude Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG88NXNa-6E

If Sarah Palin has nothing to hide, then she'll be all right.do you have nothing to hide? If you have nothing to hide, please post your yahoo mail or gmail username and password.

If you fail to do so, I'm assuming that you have something to hide.

investigators operate under oversight (as flawed as that may occasionally be), while you're just some anonymous dude on a message board.

do you have nothing to hide? If you have nothing to hide, please post your yahoo mail or gmail username and password.

If you fail to do so, I'm assuming that you have something to hide.


The entire theme of the Bush administration since the passage of the Patriot act has essentially been: if you have nothing to hide, and do not associate with terrorists - you have nothing to worry about. The federal government can now listen to our phone calls in a whim, and perform searches without a warrant.

I just love seeing the outrage when the tables are turned on a public official. Especially a GOP member such as Sarah Palin. This is delicious irony.


I hope that they catch the people who did this, and I hope that they get prosecuted.

The entire theme of the Bush administration since the passage of the Patriot act has essentially been: if you have nothing to hide, and do not associate with terrorists - you have nothing to worry about. The federal government can now listen to our phone calls in a whim, and perform searches without a warrant.

I just love seeing the outrage when the tables are turned on a public official. Especially a GOP member such as Sarah Palin. This is delicious irony.


I hope that they catch the people who did this, and I hope that they get prosecuted.The irony works both ways. The same people that detest the idea of wiretapping someone with terrorist ties are probably the people that were responsible for this hack.

The government has essentially condoned this sort of action, so why shouldn't they?

Also, what ind of terrorists are they linked to. You seem to know a lot about this.

As with O'Reilly, I've never watched Hannity. I found the interview on the Fox News site.

It wasn't as "pushed" as you guys though it would be. He did try to lead her with a question on Obama receiving so many funds from AIG and she didn't bite (which I was thankful for).

He let Palin do almost all of the talking. She gave some pretty good answers and spoke well to most of the issues. It's worth a listen if you, like me, gave Palin a thumbs down on her interview with Gibson.

As with O'Reilly, I've never watched Hannity. I found the interview on the Fox News site.

It wasn't as "pushed" as you guys though it would be. He did try to lead her with a question on Obama receiving so many funds from AIG and she didn't bite (which I was thankful for).

He let Palin do almost all of the talking. She gave some pretty good answers and spoke well to most of the issues. It's worth a listen if you, like me, gave Palin a thumbs down on her interview with Gibson.<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/gRIwVVqrwMc&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/gRIwVVqrwMc&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
Part I

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Part II

Part III (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CLMDLgiijE)

Part IV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx2703PtoGU&)

Part V (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDl6NTD2Lpc)

More regulation? What!?!?! That's not the Republican way.

The government has essentially condoned this sort of action, so why shouldn't they?the government has condoned publishing private email conversations without the originator's permission? that's news to me.


Joe Biden voted FOR the patriot act (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00313). doest that mean that it's perfectly okay for people to hack into his and Barack Obama's emails and publish them for the world to see?

Nobody likes some good irony?

What Irony? Who's account did she hack and post all the info?

The level of pure hatred of this woman is scary.

Didn't an official of the Justice Dept. say that this was a violation of the law?

As with O'Reilly, I've never watched Hannity. I found the interview on the Fox News site.

It wasn't as "pushed" as you guys though it would be. He did try to lead her with a question on Obama receiving so many funds from AIG and she didn't bite (which I was thankful for).

He let Palin do almost all of the talking. She gave some pretty good answers and spoke well to most of the issues. It's worth a listen if you, like me, gave Palin a thumbs down on her interview with Gibson.
I watched the first 2 parts. I disagree with your assessment. Hannity did indeed deliver the softball on a fluffy pillow touch her bat and throw it where he wanted her to hit it... but she ended up taking a wild swing at the ball after he threw it and sometimes causing it to go off target.

She simply calculated which of her dozen talking points fit best for the question being asked and responded with that. Allowing her to talk on and on was good for us to see a bit more of her real depth (or lack of it), but it didn't help her any.

I believe that you can learn more about a candidate during a tough interview... Obama on O'Reilly or Palin w/Gibson. But I can see that you can also learn about them from a softball interview too... particularly if they DON'T hit it out of the park.

WASHINGTON - Nebraska Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel said his party's vice presidential nominee, Sarah Palin, lacks foreign policy experience and called it a "stretch" to say she's qualified to be president.

"She doesn't have any foreign policy credentials," Hagel said in an interview published Thursday by the Omaha World-Herald. "You get a passport for the first time in your life last year? I mean, I don't know what you can say. You can't say anything."
____________________

hmm!

people who argue that she has foreign policy experience because she can see russia from alaska are a joke.

the argument that she doesn't necessarily need foreign policy experience is much better...although not sure its valid

If Sarah Palin has nothing to hide, then she'll be all right.

Isn't that what totalitarians say when trying to justify government snooping -- "If you aren't a criminal, you shouldn't care."

It doesn't fly then, either.

Everyone has something to hide, some of it illegal, most of it not.

people who argue that she has foreign policy experience because she can see russia from alaska are a joke.

the argument that she doesn't necessarily need foreign policy experience is much better...although not sure its valid

I don't think anyone is making that argument. The argument is that the Governor of Alaska deals with two international neighbors, making the Governor of Alaska an inherently more experienced position with foreign policy than the Governor of Georgia or the Governor of Arkansas.

Of course, but everyone can point to Obama's foreign policy experience, right? It's a few international trips, a speech in Germany, and a VP who's be on the Senate Foreign Relations committee for 30+ years.

But because we've had his name pumped into our house by the media 24/7 for the last year, he's suddenly a veteran politician.

I don't think anyone is making that argument. The argument is that the Governor of Alaska deals with two international neighbors, making the Governor of Alaska an inherently more experienced position with foreign policy than the Governor of Georgia or the Governor of Arkansas.


that's only true if she does deal with the international neighbors. does she? do we have any record of her dealing with Russia?

The pipeline through Canada surely had some sort of dealings, but I don't know to what extent. Surely you can't compare that level of experience with either McCain or Biden.

Wow, she's really pretty much a blank slate

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/18/epic-fail-palin-cant-answer-softball-question-about-national-security-experience-at-first-town-hall-meeting/

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Governor Palin, there has been quite a bit of discussion about your perceived lack of foreign policy experience. And I want to give you your chance. If you could please respond to that criticism and give us specific skills that you think you have to bring to the White House to rebut that or mitigate that concern.

PALIN: Well, I think because I’m a Washington outsider that opponents are going to be looking for a whole lot of things that they can criticize and they can kind of try to beat the candidates here, who chose me as his partner, to kind of tear down the ticket. But as for foreign policy, you know, I think that I am prepared and I know that on January 20th, if we are so blessed as to be sworn into office as your president and vice president, certainly we’ll be ready. I’ll be ready. I have that confidence. I have that readiness.

The level of pure hatred of this woman is scary.

Any "scarier" than the "pure hatred" for Bush, Clinton, or anyone else that people disagree with politically?

that's only true if she does deal with the international neighbors. does she? do we have any record of her dealing with Russia?


YES...

http://gov.state.ak.us/photos/govp_kuwaitvisit04s.jpg

Planning the Attack!

Wow, she's really pretty much a blank slate

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/18/epic-fail-palin-cant-answer-softball-question-about-national-security-experience-at-first-town-hall-meeting/

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Governor Palin, there has been quite a bit of discussion about your perceived lack of foreign policy experience. And I want to give you your chance. If you could please respond to that criticism and give us specific skills that you think you have to bring to the White House to rebut that or mitigate that concern.

PALIN: Well, I think because I’m a Washington outsider that opponents are going to be looking for a whole lot of things that they can criticize and they can kind of try to beat the candidates here, who chose me as his partner, to kind of tear down the ticket. But as for foreign policy, you know, I think that I am prepared and I know that on January 20th, if we are so blessed as to be sworn into office as your president and vice president, certainly we’ll be ready. I’ll be ready. I have that confidence. I have that readiness.
That is a weak response, but not unexpected.

Any "scarier" than the "pure hatred" for Bush, Clinton, or anyone else that people disagree with politically?
At least with Bush and Clinton, people have some solid reasons to not like them. We don't know Palin well enough to hate her for cause.

That is a weak response, but not unexpected.

She knows she doesn't have the hands-on foreign policy experience. To be fair, she did follow that up by saying that she would be happy to respond to any specific questions relating to American foreign policy, which would at least show she is not ignorant to such matters. This doesn't go along with the McCain mantra of hands-on experience, but then... many people didn't buy that any way.

She knows she doesn't have the hands-on foreign policy experience. To be fair, she did follow that up by saying that she would be happy to respond to any specific questions relating to American foreign policy, which would at least show she is not ignorant to such matters.
Easy for her to say with daddy McCain standing by her side. I'm wondering if they're going to make accomodations for a 3rd seat at the VP debate/discussion so that McCain can be there too.


This doesn't go along with the McCain mantra of hands-on experience, but then... many people didn't buy that any way.
My wife and I stand alone among those we know who are more likely to vote for McCain who AREN'T buying that hands-on experience... everyone else is lapping it up. I wouldn't expect people who will be voting for Obama to buy it, that's for sure.


At least with Bush and Clinton, people have some solid reasons to not like them. We don't know Palin well enough to hate her for cause.
We DO know that the level of BS being spread to prop up her credentials is pegging some "stink-o-meters". Attempting to claim that she is qualified is simply insulting to those who aren't eagerly seeking some reason, ANY reason to be excited to vote for McCain.

At least with Bush and Clinton, people have some solid reasons to not like them. We don't know Palin well enough to hate her for cause.

A lot of the posters on this forum have a significantly stronger grasp of the major issues this election than Sarah Palin. McCain's active attempts to make sure we don't know Sarah Palin only confirm her ignorance. That's reason enough for me to dislike her.

The level of pure hatred of this woman is scary.

I for one don't hate her at all. I hate a lot of what she represents though. The Evangelical Right is about as low as it gets in my book.

I for one don't hate her at all. I hate a lot of what she represents though. The Evangelical Right is about as low as it gets in my book.

You have a 'strange book' in my book.

Fascinating.

A lot of the posters on this forum have a significantly stronger grasp of the major issues this election than Sarah Palin. McCain's active attempts to make sure we don't know Sarah Palin only confirm her ignorance. That's reason enough for me to dislike her.
Why dislike her though? Can't you at least be apathetic towards her as a person and not want to see her as the V.P.?

Easy for her to say with daddy McCain standing by her side. I'm wondering if they're going to make accomodations for a 3rd seat at the VP debate/discussion so that McCain can be there too.

My wife and I stand alone among those we know who are more likely to vote for McCain who AREN'T buying that hands-on experience... everyone else is lapping it up. I wouldn't expect people who will be voting for Obama to buy it, that's for sure.

We DO know that the level of BS being spread to prop up her credentials is pegging some "stink-o-meters". Attempting to claim that she is qualified is simply insulting to those who aren't eagerly seeking some reason, ANY reason to be excited to vote for McCain.
As has been said before qualified != experienced. The only real qualifications for president are fairly easy to meet. Some of our best presidents have been inexperienced. I am not saying that Palin would be a good or bad V.P. Nor do I automatically think that Obama would be a bad president because he is inexperienced. I just don't think either side is served very well by beating the drum of inexperience.

I agree. As long as Obama can admit he is inexperienced along with experience not being necessary. :)

Same goes for Palin.

I agree. As long as Obama can admit he is inexperienced along with experience not being necessary. :)

Same goes for Palin.


Unfortunately, experience must be necessary acc'd to Obama. He said that Clarence Thomas was unqualified for the SCt when he was nominated. If Thomas was unqualified for that lesser position, then Obama is certainly not qualified (based on his criteria) for the Presidency.

Unfortunately, experience must be necessary acc'd to Obama. He said that Clarence Thomas was unqualified for the SCt when he was nominated. If Thomas was unqualified for that lesser position, then Obama is certainly not qualified (based on his criteria) for the Presidency.
well, clarence thomas didn't run for SCt, so he didn't run a campaign.

well, clarence thomas didn't run for SCt, so he didn't run a campaign.


Actually, getting on the SCt upon nomination is essentially a political campaign - at least it's been that way ever since Bork.

As has been said before qualified != experienced. The only real qualifications for president are fairly easy to meet. Some of our best presidents have been inexperienced. I am not saying that Palin would be a good or bad V.P. Nor do I automatically think that Obama would be a bad president because he is inexperienced. I just don't think either side is served very well by beating the drum of inexperience.
I agree.

President Truman was absolutely and completely inexperienced, most egregiously so in foreign policy matters. He was overwhelmed with foreign policy and it was widely known.

This is an example, probably the best suited one, of how an inexperienced but principled person does in the Presidency.

The slogan that was played over and over against Truman was "failed haberdasher" because his men's clothing store he ran had failed a couple of decades earlier. That was all the experience he had, they said. Political slogans are never accurate, but Truman was the least prepared and experienced President we've ever had probably.

Truman had a good historical context on the whole thing. :lol:
To hell with them. When history is written they will be the sons of bitches - not I.
Truman wrote in his autobiography that knowledge of history was what saw him through. This is something I believe very strongly also, wisdom comes from a good knowledge of history. And wisdom is always preferable to knowledge.

A President needs political understanding to run the government, but he may be elected without it.

I remember when I first came to Washington. For the first six months you wonder how the hell you ever got here. For the next six months you wonder how the hell the rest of them ever got here.

As has been said before qualified != experienced. The only real qualifications for president are fairly easy to meet. Some of our best presidents have been inexperienced. I am not saying that Palin would be a good or bad V.P. Nor do I automatically think that Obama would be a bad president because he is inexperienced. I just don't think either side is served very well by beating the drum of inexperience.
We're not talking Constitutional qualifications here. We all know that she is technically qualified to be VP.

The thing is YOU believe that qualified != experienced. But that is not what McCain and Republican talking heads believe. THEY are the ones who claimed that Obama is not qualified because he has no experience. THEY are the ones who are twisting and puffing up Palin's experience to prove that she is qualified.

It is THAT strained twisting of Palin's experience that causes some to get annoyed by her selection as VP.

So they are fine with her selection, it just annoys them that McCain says she's qualified and that Obama is not?

I think the movement against her is significantly more than that.

Actually, getting on the SCt upon nomination is essentially a political campaign - at least it's been that way ever since Bork.

It most asssuredly is.

There are groups opposed and groups for.

I wonder how many were actually involved in the campaign to defeat Thomas' nomination - hundreds I would bet - maybe thousands.

I know a bunch of them met in Norman, OK.

It is THAT strained twisting of Palin's experience that causes some to get annoyed by her selection as VP.

It annoys some more because she changed the dynamics of the election, wouldn't you agree?

Wow, she's really pretty much a blank slate

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/18/epic-fail-palin-cant-answer-softball-question-about-national-security-experience-at-first-town-hall-meeting/

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Governor Palin, there has been quite a bit of discussion about your perceived lack of foreign policy experience. And I want to give you your chance. If you could please respond to that criticism and give us specific skills that you think you have to bring to the White House to rebut that or mitigate that concern.

PALIN: Well, I think because I’m a Washington outsider that opponents are going to be looking for a whole lot of things that they can criticize and they can kind of try to beat the candidates here, who chose me as his partner, to kind of tear down the ticket. But as for foreign policy, you know, I think that I am prepared and I know that on January 20th, if we are so blessed as to be sworn into office as your president and vice president, certainly we’ll be ready. I’ll be ready. I have that confidence. I have that readiness.

It's worth posting what she said right after that. It was even included at the link you posted the above from:

And if you want specifics with specific policy or countries, go ahead and you can ask me. You can even play stump the candidate if you want to. But we are ready to serve.

The debate will be when she's really tested, and we'll all see what she really brings to the table at that time, for better or for worse.

I thought she did a great job, and so did most people at the event according to reports, not to mention getting favorable feedback from various people in the media.

I think McCain and Palin have a great chemistry with one another. They seem like they get along great, and they bounce lines off of one another better than any other recent "duo" in politics that I've seen in a while, and the public notices that as well.

So they are fine with her selection, it just annoys them that McCain says she's qualified and that Obama is not?

I think the movement against her is significantly more than that.
Different people have different reasons for being annoyed by Palin's selection.

Most people who will be voting for McCain are thrilled with the choice of Palin. Partlybecause it gives them a chance to vote for a historic ticket too. (first woman VP) Partly because her values are closer to theirs.

There are those in the middle... who are likely to vote for (or receptive to) McCain but not thrilled about it see her selection as a reason to cast further doubt.

Then there are those who will be voting for Obama who dislike Palin's choice because she is a professional woman that does NOT share those same liberal values.

I think that in the end, McCain is undermining his campaign with a segment of voters by artificially propping up his choice in VP.

Proving once again, if you have to come out and claim something that should be obvious (ie. "I'm a straight-talker") then that claim is false.


It annoys some more because she changed the dynamics of the election, wouldn't you agree?
Definitely. Democrats never in a million years considered that the Republicans would've picked a woman or minority... after all they ARE the party of old white men.

Then there are those who will be voting for Obama who dislike Palin's choice because she is a professional woman that does NOT share those same liberal values.

I was never going to vote for Senator McCain, obviously, but my problem with Governor Palin is not that she's a professional woman (I think that's great), and it's not that she doesn't share my liberal values (I understand that not everyone does; I don't hate Tom Coburn even though I agree with him on virtually nothing). My problem with Governor Palin is that she's a kleptocrat in the mold of the current administration who seems to think that election to office is some sort of grant of an absolute fiefdom where you can hire your cronies, enrich your friends, and fire anyone who opposes you. The firing of Commissioner Monegan apparently because of a personal vendetta, the shifting excuses for that firing, and the attempts to shut down any investigation truly bother me.

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/09/palin-e-mail-ha.html

Turns out the kid who hacked Palin's email account is the son of a Democratic State Representative in Tennessee. Uh oh.

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/09/palin-e-mail-ha.html

Turns out the kid who hacked Palin's email account is the son of a Democratic State Representative in Tennessee. Uh oh.


HAHAHAHAAHAHA I KNEW IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Obama, you sneaky rat bastard.

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/09/palin-e-mail-ha.html

Turns out the kid who hacked Palin's email account is the son of a Democratic State Representative in Tennessee. Uh oh.

wow that's the simplest hack ever.

wow that's the simplest hack ever.As detailed in the postings, the Palin hack didn't require any real skill. Instead, the hacker simply reset Palin's password using her birthdate, ZIP code and information about where she met her spouse -- the security question on her Yahoo account, which was answered (Wasilla High) by a simple Google search.

The simplicity of the attack, of course, makes it no less illegal.

The hacker said that he read all of the e-mails in the Palin account and found "nothing incriminating, nothing that would derail her campaign as I had hoped. All I saw was personal stuff, some clerical stuff from when she was governor…. And pictures of her family."

Once the hacker had read the e-mails in Palin's account, he said he suddenly realized what he'd done and how vulnerable he was to being caught, since he'd used only a single proxy service to hide his IP address.The hunter becomes the prey. :lol:

Not that I think it's good that someone would do this to her, or anyone else, but heck...maybe some good will actually come from it:

I read though the emails… ALL OF THEM… before I posted, and what I concluded was anticlimactic, there was nothing there, nothing incriminating, nothing that would derail her campaign as I had hoped, all I saw was personal stuff, some clerical stuff from when she was governor…. And pictures of her family





So this moron hacks into her personal email account, and they still aren't able to find any real dirt on her? :lol:

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/09/palin-e-mail-ha.html

Turns out the kid who hacked Palin's email account is the son of a Democratic State Representative in Tennessee. Uh oh.

I heard the maximum penalty is 2 years incarceration.

Of course he/she will get probation.

Damn, no sexy pics for her hubby in her "Sent" box? :(

I heard the maximum penalty is 2 years incarceration.

Of course he/she will get probation.
Not if that devil Bush gets his way ;)

I would vote for the death penalty, and I'm opposed to the death penalty. :)

With the current political climate in the country I'm sure the perpetrator of this crime will be crowned a hero.

Does anyone want to talk about how Palin broke the law if she used her personal email account to conduct government business?

Does anyone want to talk about how Palin broke the law if she used her personal email account to conduct government business?
There is a law prohibiting the use of personal e-mail to conduct goernment business?

Does anyone want to talk about how Palin broke the law if she used her personal email account to conduct government business?

I suppose. Let us know when there is a law and we'll talk about it. There isn't one.

Palin likely won't be the last politician whose e-mail gets hacked. Until now, this has been rare mainly because big-time pols don't e-mail—despite inventing the BlackBerry (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/16/AR2008091603226.html), McCain abstains from e-mail, as do George W. Bush (http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/14/for-bush-2009-means-getting-to-hit-send-again/index.html?partner=rssuserland&emc=rss) and Bill Clinton, who sent just two messages (http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/01/28/clinton.email.reut/) during his time in the White House (and one was a test e-mail).http://www.slate.com/id/2200359/

At least it was two more e-mails than Sen McCain has sent... :shrug:

There is a law prohibiting the use of personal e-mail to conduct goernment business?

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1842097,00.html



After Tuesday's hacks were made public, both private accounts were deleted — an act that could technically constitute destruction of evidence.

The Alaska governor could also face charges for conducting official state business using her personal, unarchived e-mail account (a crime);



Of course, I don't expect anything to come of this. You can get away with a lot when you're a Republican VP. And if she doesn't get elected, interest will wane.

Oh, Yahoo still has copies of that account, you can be sure.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1842097,00.html




Of course, I don't expect anything to come of this. You can get away with a lot when you're a Republican VP. And if she doesn't get elected, interest will wane.

People on FoxNews made a big deal about this (using personal email for government business), but the posted screen shots of emails all looked to be personal. Stuff about her kids, personal stuff to her aide's personal email, emails from friends wishing her well, etc. The most "incriminating" email is one she sent to the Lt. Governor complaining about someone in the media.

Nothing seemed official. And I doubt there are laws against sending personal email to people as governor, even if they're politicians. I make friends at work, as well, and we often email, call, and meet outside of work. I don't consider those to be "work related" just because it's a coworker.

But, yeah, it was such a stupid hack. It's like Paris Hilton using "Tinkerbell" as her password. People need to be more creative with passwords and "reminders".

People on FoxNews made a big deal about this (using personal email for government business), but the posted screen shots of emails all looked to be personal. Stuff about her kids, personal stuff to her aide's personal email, emails from friends wishing her well, etc. The most "incriminating" email is one she sent to the Lt. Governor complaining about someone in the media.

Nothing seemed official. And I doubt there are laws against sending personal email to people as governor, even if they're politicians. I make friends at work, as well, and we often email, call, and meet outside of work. I don't consider those to be "work related" just because it's a coworker.

This one is apparently personal (I don't know; I didn't look at any of the screen grabs), but there have been news reports of a different account that was being used for official state business and that has since been deleted.

Oh, Yahoo still has copies of that account, you can be sure.

Yep.

No doubt on that.

State Rep. Mike Kernell said today that he was aware of Internet rumors about his son being the subject of speculation that he accessed the personal e-mail of vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

Asked whether he or his son, a student at the University of Tennessee-Knoxville, had been contacted by authorities investigating the break-in of Palin's account, he responded:

"Me, no."

As far as his 20-year-old son, David, he said: "I can't say. That doesn't mean he has or hasn't (been contacted by investigators)."

Kernell, D-Memphis, cited the father-son relationship.

He said he had talked to his son today, but that he talks to his son regularly.

He declined further comment.

:lol: That's politician talk for "Yes. They contacted my Son."

This one is apparently personal (I don't know; I didn't look at any of the screen grabs), but there have been news reports of a different account that was being used for official state business and that has since been deleted.

That doesn't make sense unless everyone was doing that. If she sent an email to the Lt Gov at his .gov email address, it would get indexed. Using a Yahoo account would only work if she was sending and receiving email to personal email addresses or non-government addresses (i.e. a lobbyist).

It's amazing - she's squeaky clean, so it's like people inside the beltway have to make up stuff to attack her with.

"Oh she went to 5 colleges"

"Oh, she uses personal email addresses for state business, even though we illegally hacked one and found nothing"

"Oh, she dismissed a governor appointee who clashed with her office many times"

"Oh, she's a bad mother because she works full time while having 5 kids"

"Oh, she's bad mother because her daughter got knocked up"

"Oh, her youngest child isn't even hers"

"Oh, the former church that she attended but left 6 years ago because it got too radical is now too radical"

"Oh, she once sat through a speech by the 'Jews for Jesus' guy when he visited her church, making her inherently anti-Semitic"

"Oh, some old lady kinda sorta remembers her once showing up at a speech in her hometown from someone who supported the Alaska Independence Party"

I mean, come on people. Just because she doesn't have the dirty history of an Obama, Clinton, McCain, Romney, or Biden doesn't mean you have to make stuff up. Some people just aren't that corrupt.

She's under state investigation and she deleted her personal email account - one that may have been used to send government emails.

Nobody's making anything up.

It's amazing - she's squeaky cleanThe Messiah! THE MESSIAH!

Only hot and gun-toting this time around...

That doesn't make sense unless everyone was doing that.

Yes, that is the allegation -- that a small cadre of Governor Palin and some of her advisors made it a practice to keep have discussions via Yahoo rather than their official accounts in order to avoid sunshine laws.

The Messiah! THE MESSIAH!

Only hot and gun-toting this time around...

You say that as if there was something wrong with a hot, gun toting messiah.

She's under state investigation and she deleted her personal email account - one that may have been used to send government emails.

Nobody's making anything up.

That's a GIGANTIC leap from "she has a personal email address" to "she's illegally using a personal email address to send messages and subvert an investigation"

^^ No she's just no longer cooperating...BECAUSE IT'S A DEM WITCH HUNT!

lol....there is plenty we don't like without the fine points you showed us matta...

(I personally don't care that she used a personal email account...)

Here's a video of Sarah Palin.


http://thepage.time.com/video-palin-in-cedar-rapids-iowa/

"Our opponents, they have some strange ideas about raising taxes. To them, raising taxes - and Joe Biden said it again today - raising taxes is about patriotism. To the rest of America, that's not patriotism. Raising taxes is about killing jobs and hurting small businesses and making things worse. This isn't about anyone's patriotism - it's about Barack Obama's poor judgement."



That is the best quote from any of the 4 major candidates so far.

Here's proof that what she said is true. Obama wants to raise taxes on the people who create jobs, and that results in fewer jobs being created:


http://www.opinionjournal.com/federation/feature/?id=110008350

May 16, 2006

The Pacific Research Institute has crunched the tax numbers in all 50 states and published the "U.S. Economic Freedom Index" ranking all states according to how friendly or unfriendly their policies were toward free enterprise

In 2005, per capita personal income grew 31% faster in the 15 most economically free states than it did in the 15 states at the bottom of the list. And employment growth was a staggering 216% higher in the most free states. It hasn't been a "jobless recovery" in states that have adopted pro-growth tax and regulatory policies.

.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122126282034130461.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries,

Sepember 13, 2008

If You Like Michigan's Economy, You'll Love Obama's

... generally speaking, states that spend less, especially on income transfer programs, and states that tax less, particularly on productive activities such as working or investing, experience higher growth rates than states that tax and spend more

Texas, Florida and Arizona were the three most successful states. Illinois, Ohio and Michigan were the three least successful.

The rewards for success were huge. Texas gained 1.7 million net new jobs, Florida gained 1.4 million and Arizona gained 600,000. While the U.S. average job growth percentage was 9.9%, Texas, Florida and Arizona had job growth of 18.5%, 21.4% and 28.9%, respectively.

Remarkably, a third of all the jobs in the U.S. in the last 10 years were created in these three states. While the population of the three highest-performing states grew twice as fast as the national average, per-capita real income still grew by $6,563 or 21.4% in Texas, Florida and Arizona. That's a $26,252 increase for a typical family of four.

By comparison, Illinois gained only 122,000 jobs, Ohio lost 62,900 and Michigan lost 318,000. Population growth in Michigan, Ohio and Illinois was only 4.2%, a third the national average, and real income per capita rose by only $3,466, just 58% of the national average. Workers in the three least successful states had to contend with a quarter-million fewer jobs rather than taking their pick of the 3.7 million new jobs that were available in the three fastest-growing states.

There also appears to be a clear difference between union interests and the worker interests. Texas, Florida and Arizona are right-to-work states, while Michigan, Ohio and Illinois are not. Michigan, Ohio and Illinois impose significantly higher minimum wages than Texas, Florida and Arizona. Yet with all the proclaimed benefits of unionism and higher minimum wages, Texas, Florida and Arizona workers saw their real income grow more than twice as fast as workers in Michigan, Ohio and Illinois.

Incredibly, the business climate in Michigan is now so unfavorable that it has overwhelmed the considerable comparative advantage in auto production that Michigan spent a century building up. No one should let Michigan politicians blame their problems solely on the decline of the U.S. auto industry. Yes, Michigan lost 83,000 auto manufacturing jobs during the past decade and a half, but more than 91,000 new auto manufacturing jobs sprung up in Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia and Texas.

When Democrats talk about soaking the rich... it's the companies where most Americans work. Three out of four individual income tax filers in the top 1% are, in fact, small businesses.

I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around troopergate. Basically, can't the governor fire people if she wants to, or is Alaska not an "at will" state.

I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around troopergate. Basically, can't the governor fire people if she wants to, or is Alaska not an "at will" state.

The argument is that she demanded the guy fire her brother in law, and when he didn't she fired him. Of course, that whole argument falls apart pretty easy.

This has a good description: http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/08/29/palins-troopergate-beating-msm-distortions-to-the-truth/

So some kid researches Mrs Palin and determines her Yahoo password reset question answers. Then he changes her password. Next he reads her email. Then it dawns on him that he could be in trouble. Big trouble. So what does he do?

Now this is where it gets strange.

He takes screenshots of her email account and posts them on 4chan. He also posts the new password for others to have their fun.

Then he removes the posting.

Next he writes a detailed message about how he did it.

Then he removes the message.

Now the FBI is knocking on his door.


Dumbass. If he had just stopped, he may have been ok. At each step he dug himself a little deeper.

Sarah is on FOX News Now.

:lol:

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I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around troopergate. Basically, can't the governor fire people if she wants to, or is Alaska not an "at will" state.

1) Governor Palin allegedly fired Comissioner Monegan because Commissioner Monegan wouldn't fire her ex-brother-in-law, Trooper Wooten. That strikes some people as wrong because a governor shouldn't use her political office for personal vendettas. This is apparently particularly true in Alaska, which (form what I've heard -- I haven't checked this) enshrines this principle in its Constitution, as well as the principle of merit hiring. So from this point of view, she should have recused herself from any decisions regarding Trooper Wooten.

2) Governor Palin initialaly said that nobody from her office pressured Commissioner Monegan to fire Trooper Wooten. This was proven to be a lie when tapes were released.

3) Since she was nominated to be Vice President, she and the McCain campaign have been doing everything in their power to shut the investigation down. This is particularly amazing in light of the fact that the ticket is running as a reform ticket. They want to reform Washington yet they won't allow sunlight on their own candidate's actions?

Jump.... Such a hater LOL

Jason keep on doing reasearch into that story. There are many aspects of situation that were documented, but ppl are just looking to trash her.

That is the best quote from any of the 4 major candidates so far.

Here's proof that what she said is true. Obama wants to raise taxes on the people who create jobs, and that results in fewer jobs being created:Grundle, those studies you posted don't really have much to do with Obama's supposed tax increases on business. Sure there are plenty of discrepencies of growth between states. Texas is usually at or near the top of them because we are so friendly to business. However, it's growth rate is so good because businesses move their headquarters from less friendly states to Texas. If Obama raises taxes across the board on businesses you wouldn't see some kind of huge sudden decrease in growth. It might slow growth, and some companies might move overseas but most companies will have to stay where they are because their customers are here.

Please note that I'm not saying that Obama would be necessarily good for business, just that your "proof" doesn't really mean a whole lot because it's an apples to oranges comparison.

Once the hacker had read the e-mails in Palin's account, he said he suddenly realized what he'd done and how vulnerable he was to being caught, since he'd used only a single proxy service to hide his IP address.

Hmm, maybe he should've thought of that before sending the information to Wikileaks, Gawker, etc. Dumbass.

But, yeah, it was such a stupid hack. It's like Paris Hilton using "Tinkerbell" as her password. People need to be more creative with passwords and "reminders".

How much latitude does Yahoo give for reminders? I know my bank only has five choices, and two of them I can't answer because I don't have a brother or a wife. If Yahoo is equally sucktastic, there's a good chance that all the possible reminders are things that can be found through Google.

How much latitude does Yahoo give for reminders? I know my bank only has five choices, and two of them I can't answer because I don't have a brother or a wife.


You couldn't make something up? For instance. no one who knows you would gues that you have a brother named "Gorkon", because you don't have a brother. That makes it a good reminder question.

She's under state investigation and she deleted her personal email account - one that may have been used to send government emails.

But does she weigh more than a duck?

But does she weigh more than a duck?
We don't know because she shot and ate the duck.

But does she weigh more than a duck?

Lipstick on a duck?

Husband now won't testify in the Troopergate SCANDAL either...Terrific values!

The slide begins

Husband now won't testify in the Troopergate SCANDAL either...Terrific values!

The slide beginsSo I assume you disapproved of all the "gates" the Clintons successfully and unsucessfully tried to not testify about.

So I assume you disapproved of all the "gates" the Clintons successfully and unsucessfully tried to not testify about.

Yes, I did. No one should be above the law.

Edited to add: Except for Monicagate, he was busted getting a BJ. Shoulda ended with that, not the witchhunt that followed that.

That response made me whip up some ROFLberry Pwncakes! She sounds like that Miss USA contestant on maps and "the Iraqs."

Edited to add: Except for Monicagate, he was busted getting a BJ. Shoulda ended with that, not the witchhunt that followed that.

Wow, if we're going to dumb it all down that much then Palin was just sending an email to someone. Should end with that.

You couldn't make something up? For instance. no one who knows you would gues that you have a brother named "Gorkon", because you don't have a brother. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/thumb/0/0f/Gorkon.jpg/180px-Gorkon.jpg

"I'll drink to that."

Grundle, those studies you posted don't really have much to do with Obama's supposed tax increases on business. Sure there are plenty of discrepencies of growth between states. Texas is usually at or near the top of them because we are so friendly to business. However, it's growth rate is so good because businesses move their headquarters from less friendly states to Texas. If Obama raises taxes across the board on businesses you wouldn't see some kind of huge sudden decrease in growth. It might slow growth, and some companies might move overseas but most companies will have to stay where they are because their customers are here.
are employment statistics gathered and reported in a uniform manner accross all the states? if texas has different classifications for what constitutes a full time job then that can also contribute to discrepencies in the numbers. though the most important determinant of job creation will be the availability of properly trained labour, appropriate resources, and sufficiently helpful infrastructure (ie not too much red tape). the idea that income tax for the top band of earners is the main factor is slightly absurd.

Heard about Mrs. Obama's slight toward Palin (from her speech yesterday) this morning. I guess she didn't learn from her husband. :lol:

Heard about Mrs. Obama's slight toward Palin (from her speech yesterday) this morning. I guess she didn't learn from her husband. :lol:Michelle Obama: Don't vote because 'she's cute'
Sep 18 01:36 PM US/Eastern
By MIKE BAKER
Associated Press Writer

CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) - Michelle Obama asked voters Thursday to make their choice on the issues, not because, "I like that guy" or, "she's cute."

Might she be talking about Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin?

"I'm talking about me," she said with a smile.

Barack Obama's wife, however, is not on the ticket in the presidential election. Palin is.

Her remarks came at a women's round-table on the economy as Democrats work to neutralize the appeal that Palin has brought to John McCain's ticket for some female voters. They are doing so gingerly, so as to not appear sexist or invite another lipstick-on-a-pig tempest.

Michelle Obama told the audience her husband is only candidate focused on equal pay, health care, affordable college, teacher recruitment and other issues of concern to women. She said that's what the election should be about.

"People shouldn't make a decision this time based on, 'I like that guy' or 'she's cute,'" she said.

The line won a big round of applause. Before it subsided, she interjected: "And I'm talking about me."

She did not talk about Palin directly in her remarks.http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93995100&show_article=1

Red Dog, was it this one?

That's another thing I would do if I were running Obama's campaign. I'd muzzle his wife; or, better yet, send her to a convent.

Yep - that's the one. And there was the same awkward moment - a pause, the crowd realizing she's dissing Palin, loving it, and the Mrs. trying to cover. :lol:

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I do not know if the first clip is longer but the second one cuts away and does not include "I'm talking about me" in its piece.

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I know the truth isn't quite so damning, but maybe we should try it every once and awhile.

1) Governor Palin allegedly fired Comissioner Monegan because Commissioner Monegan wouldn't fire her ex-brother-in-law, Trooper Wooten. That strikes some people as wrong because a governor shouldn't use her political office for personal vendettas. This is apparently particularly true in Alaska, which (form what I've heard -- I haven't checked this) enshrines this principle in its Constitution, as well as the principle of merit hiring. So from this point of view, she should have recused herself from any decisions regarding Trooper Wooten.

2) Governor Palin initialaly said that nobody from her office pressured Commissioner Monegan to fire Trooper Wooten. This was proven to be a lie when tapes were released.

3) Since she was nominated to be Vice President, she and the McCain campaign have been doing everything in their power to shut the investigation down. This is particularly amazing in light of the fact that the ticket is running as a reform ticket. They want to reform Washington yet they won't allow sunlight on their own candidate's actions?

1) She actually didn't fire Monegan. He was reassigned to a different (less publicly visible) department after being very confrontational with the Governor in public on several issues. He quit his job after being reassigned and immediately started calling news agencies trying to demonize the governor.

2) That tape says nothing about trying to fire Wooten. In fact, she informed them at the time of his hearing that she didn't want him fired. The problem was that Wooten was completely insubordinate - drunk driving in a patrol car, tazering a 10 year old child, shooting a moose with his service weapon, etc. and he only got a 5 day suspension for political reasons (ask any cop what would have happened to them if they were convicted of the same offenses). After the suspension, Wooten continued to act irresponsibly, including several incidents of blatant racism. He was literally on tape threatening to kill the Governor's father, and it was shown that he lied on his application to get hired as a state trooper. Palin's chief of staff expressed concern that nothing was being done to further reprimand Wooten (because Monegan had political motives) but everyone was afraid to do anything for at least a year.

3) The campaign has done nothing to shut down the investigation. Because of the pick of Palin, the democratic led investigation has become much more "hostile", with the head of the committee (Obama's Alaska Campaign Chairman) literally saying that he would make this an "October Surprise" and release the report on October 31 (the original report date was October 10). Since this little obvious investigation took off and Obama sent 30 lawyers to Anchorage in part to "assist," McCain's campaign hired a lawyer to defend her. That lawyer decided that she should not volunteer any information. That's what she's doing. Before that lawyer showed up, she gave the investigators free reign over her files and personnel.

You couldn't make something up? For instance. no one who knows you would gues that you have a brother named "Gorkon", because you don't have a brother. That makes it a good reminder question.

Sure, I could. But there's a good chance I wouldn't remember it, which rather defeats the point of a reminder.

I know the truth isn't quite so damning, but maybe we should try it every once and awhile.



1) She actually didn't fire Monegan. He was reassigned to a different (less publicly visible) department after being very confrontational with the Governor in public on several issues. He quit his job after being reassigned and immediately started calling news agencies trying to demonize the governor.

2) That tape says nothing about trying to fire Wooten. In fact, she informed them at the time of his hearing that she didn't want him fired. The problem was that Wooten was completely insubordinate - drunk driving in a patrol car, tazering a 10 year old child, shooting a moose with his service weapon, etc. and he only got a 5 day suspension for political reasons (ask any cop what would have happened to them if they were convicted of the same offenses). After the suspension, Wooten continued to act irresponsibly, including several incidents of blatant racism. He was literally on tape threatening to kill the Governor's father, and it was shown that he lied on his application to get hired as a state trooper. Palin's chief of staff expressed concern that nothing was being done to further reprimand Wooten (because Monegan had political motives) but everyone was afraid to do anything for at least a year.

3) The campaign has done nothing to shut down the investigation. Because of the pick of Palin, the democratic led investigation has become much more "hostile", with the head of the committee (Obama's Alaska Campaign Chairman) literally saying that he would make this an "October Surprise" and release the report on October 31 (the original report date was October 10). Since this little obvious investigation took off and Obama sent 30 lawyers to Anchorage in part to "assist," McCain's campaign hired a lawyer to defend her. That lawyer decided that she should not volunteer any information. That's what she's doing. Before that lawyer showed up, she gave the investigators free reign over her files and personnel.

Truth and facts have no place in a political discussion! :D2:

I know the truth isn't quite so damning, but maybe we should try it every once and awhile.



1) She actually didn't fire Monegan. He was reassigned to a different (less publicly visible) department after being very confrontational with the Governor in public on several issues. He quit his job after being reassigned and immediately started calling news agencies trying to demonize the governor.

2) That tape says nothing about trying to fire Wooten. In fact, she informed them at the time of his hearing that she didn't want him fired. The problem was that Wooten was completely insubordinate - drunk driving in a patrol car, tazering a 10 year old child, shooting a moose with his service weapon, etc. and he only got a 5 day suspension for political reasons (ask any cop what would have happened to them if they were convicted of the same offenses). After the suspension, Wooten continued to act irresponsibly, including several incidents of blatant racism. He was literally on tape threatening to kill the Governor's father, and it was shown that he lied on his application to get hired as a state trooper. Palin's chief of staff expressed concern that nothing was being done to further reprimand Wooten (because Monegan had political motives) but everyone was afraid to do anything for at least a year.

3) The campaign has done nothing to shut down the investigation. Because of the pick of Palin, the democratic led investigation has become much more "hostile", with the head of the committee (Obama's Alaska Campaign Chairman) literally saying that he would make this an "October Surprise" and release the report on October 31 (the original report date was Octob