World still isn't sure radical Islamo-Fascists were behind 9/11

[MACD23]

No consensus on who was behind Sept 11-global poll

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Seven years after the Sept. 11 attacks, there is no consensus outside the United States that Islamist militants from al Qaeda were responsible, according to an international poll published Wednesday.

The survey of 16,063 people in 17 nations found majorities in only nine countries believe al Qaeda was behind the attacks on New York and Washington that killed about 3,000 people in 2001.

U.S. officials squarely blame al Qaeda, whose leader Osama bin Laden has boasted of organizing the suicide attacks by his followers using hijacked commercial airliners.

On average, 46 percent of those surveyed said al Qaeda was responsible, 15 percent said the U.S. government, 7 percent said Israel and 7 percent said some other perpetrator. One in four people said they did not know who was behind the attacks.

The poll was conducted by WorldPublicOpinion.org, a collaborative project of research centers in various countries managed by the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland in the United States.

In Europe, al Qaeda was cited by 56 percent of Britons and Italians, 63 percent of French and 64 percent of Germans. The U.S. government was to blame, according to 23 percent of Germans and 15 percent of Italians.

Respondents in the Middle East were especially likely to name a perpetrator other than al Qaeda, the poll found.

Israel was behind the attacks, said 43 percent of people in Egypt, 31 percent in Jordan and 19 percent in the Palestinian Territories. The U.S. government was blamed by 36 percent of Turks and 27 percent of Palestinians.

In Mexico, 30 percent cited the U.S. government and 33 percent named al Qaeda.


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This is the same world that wants Obama as our president. The rest of the world doesn't have its head up its ass? I rest my case.

[kvrdave]

Remember this when people talk about how stupid the electorate in America is.

[bhk]

Probably the same carbon blobs that in a recent poll for the BBC that would 'elect' Obama the president of this country.

[Groucho]

I love how you guys manage to turn this into an anti-Obama thing. :lol:

[wewantflair]

http://www.newsmeat.com/news/meat.php?articleId=32140442&channelId=2951&buyerId=newsmeatcom&buid=3281


This is the same world that wants Obama as our president. The rest of the world doesn't have its head up its ass? I rest my case.

I am going to use this in class as an example of the most insipid logical fallacy I've ever seen. Thank you.

[Venusian]

I love how you guys manage to turn this into an anti-Obama thing. :lol:

crazy how single minded people can be

[MACD23]

Wewantflair, is there any doubt that the leftist socialists of the world who refuse to believe Radical Islam and a bunch of terrorists are responsible for 9/11 are also supporters of Barack Obama for US president? What world are you living in?

[Venusian]

Wewantflair, is there any doubt that the leftist socialists of the world who refuse to believe Radical Islam and a bunch of terrorists are responsible for 9/11 are also supporters of Barack Obama for US president?do you have any polls showing that? if not, i'm saying there might be a doubt

[MACD23]

do you have any polls showing that? if not, i'm saying there might be a doubt

No, there's no doubt. That entire ideology along with the liberal left in this country have warped, malformed brains.

[wewantflair]

Wewantflair, is there any doubt that the leftist socialists of the world who refuse to believe Radical Islam and a bunch of terrorists are responsible for 9/11 are also supporters of Barack Obama for US president? What world are you living in?

The world in which we use deductive logic correctly.

[wildcatlh]

Wewantflair, is there any doubt that the leftist socialists of the world who refuse to believe Radical Islam and a bunch of terrorists are responsible for 9/11 are also supporters of Barack Obama for US president? What world are you living in?

Yes, this poll says that many people do not believe that islamofascists were behind 9/11.

Yes, polls have shown that people in other countries want Barack Obama as president of the US.

Those two statements are true.

Now, without using the words "leftist socialists" or "liberal", or any permutations thereof, please explain what those two statements have to do with each oher.

[MACD23]

From the article:

The U.S. government was to blame, according to 23 percent of Germans

I found the 23 percent!

http://www.russiablog.org/obama-berlin-germany.jpg

[Mordred]

No, there's no doubt. That entire ideology along with the liberal left in this country have warped, malformed brains.I'm guessing you won't be in the politics forum for long. It's sad because you've contributed so much intelligence to the discourse here. :wave:

[kvrdave]

I love how you guys manage to turn this into an anti-Obama thing. :lol:

Didn't really think of it as an anti-Obama comment, just an anti-elitest comment for those that claim Americans are stupid. :shrug:

[Groucho]

Didn't really think of it as an anti-Obama comment, just an anti-elitest comment for those that claim Americans are stupid. :shrug:I wasn't referring to your remarks.

[Thor Simpson]

crazy how single minded people can be

Trust me, it doesn't improve after marriage.

[General Zod]

I love how you guys manage to turn this into an anti-Obama thing. :lol:

Get used to it. There's been 7 years of turning everything into a anti-Bush thing.. we need a new target.

I'd also add that the World still isn't sure Jews weren't behind the Holocaust too..

[wildcatlh]

Get used to it. There's been 7 years of turning everything into a anti-Bush thing.. we need a new target.

Yeah, but that's because we had 8 years of everything being anti-Clinton before that, and 4 years of anti-Bush before that, and 8 years of anti-Reagan before that...

In 2030, everything can be anti-President Mary Kate Olsen!

[kvrdave]

I wasn't referring to your remarks.

Oh. Well....up yours, anyway.

[Dr Mabuse]

:lol:

[GreenMonkey]

You know, 6% of Americans believe that the moon landing was faked and is some government conspiracy. Damn left-wing whackos will all vote for Obama, making them the key demographic swing vote.

[wendersfan]

No, there's no doubt. That entire ideology along with the liberal left in this country have warped, malformed brains.<i>Mod note: Look, just stop it. If you want to post crap like this do it somewhere else.</i>

[Jaymole]

No, there's no doubt. That entire ideology along with the liberal left in this country have warped, malformed brains.

And I must say you are making a strong case that the opposite end of the political spectrum possesses the same type of brains.

[nemein]

<i>Mod note: Just in case the previous Mod note didn't get the point across... bickering bitching and insults like this are not allowed here. We'll leave this open for now but if the thread continues in the direction it seems to be going it'll be closed. Which is a shame since it really is an interesting issue to talk about, provided we can leave the mindless partisanship out of it.</i>

[wendersfan]

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/images/sep08/WPO_911_Sep08_graph.jpg

It's interesting to note that, compared to most countries, residents of France were more likely to blame al-Qaeda than most. Also, the only cited example of the Bush administration's "New Europe", Ukraine, was less likely to blame al-Qaeda than any cited example of "Old Europe".

Makes you wonder who your friends really are...

[Red Dog]

I don't think Islamofascists were behind 9/11.

I think Islamic radicals were behind it.

[DJLinus]

Wow. Denmark is shouldering a lot of the blame. :)

[Venusian]

Interesting that more people blame Israel in Egypt and Jordan, the two countries with ties to Israel than Palestine

[Groucho]

I don't think Islamofascists were behind 9/11.I stopped reading here and added you to my ignore list, sir!

[Mordred]

It's interesting to note that, compared to most countries, residents of France were more likely to blame al-Qaeda than most. Also, the only cited example of the Bush administration's "New Europe", Ukraine, was less likely to blame al-Qaeda than any cited example of "Old Europe".

Makes you wonder who your friends really are...I noticed that as well. I was wondering what the poll would have looked like in our good friends Poland and Georgia.

[Sheff]

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/images/sep08/WPO_911_Sep08_graph.jpg

It's interesting to note that, compared to most countries, residents of France were more likely to blame al-Qaeda than most. Also, the only cited example of the Bush administration's "New Europe", Ukraine, was less likely to blame al-Qaeda than any cited example of "Old Europe".

Makes you wonder who your friends really are...Most likely because the French deal with the same issue....

[MACD23]

The French may be waking up finally, though it may be too late. Their country is already infiltrated with angry, violent, radical Muslims who have no intention to assimilate into French culture.

[Mordred]

The French may be waking up finally, though it may be too late. Their country is already infiltrated with angry, violent, radical Muslims who have no intention to assimilate into French culture.Of course, France has to shoulder a lot of the blame for that as well which is why even though they may be "waking up" it's probably too late to do much about it. There's a reason that we have very few home grown muslim radicals in the US.

[arminius]

Wow. Denmark is shouldering a lot of the blame. :)

Yea those Islamomuslims must really hate cartoons.;)

[Kerborus]

This poll scares me.

[wildcatlh]

I personally think that Joe Dumars and the roster of the 2004-2005 Detroit Pistons were behind 9/11.

[General Zod]

I like how Bin Laden took responsibility for the bombings and even explained the details and the planning behind it.. and they still think it was us! :lol:

I know, I know.. George Bush and Bin Laden are actually brothers or lovers or something..

[Thor Simpson]

This poll scares me.

Still, we should show restraint. We're too bogged down in Iraq to wage a legitimate war against this poll.

[kvrdave]

Most likely because the French deal with the same issue....

Agreed. African also gets to deal with the beauty of Islamic terrorists/warlords, and they are the highest to blame Islamic terrorists.

One wonders if the Russians are quicker to blame the US government because this sounds like the type of thing they might believe their own government is capable of.

[MACD23]

The saddest part is the US would probably post similar numbers of moonbats who think someone other than Muslim fanatics were behind the attacks.

[spainlinx0]

I was wondering what the US numbers were like.

[CRM114]

I don't think Islamofascists were behind 9/11.

I think Islamic radicals were behind it.

:up:

[CRM114]

The saddest part is the US would probably post similar numbers of moonbats who think someone other than Muslim fanatics were behind the attacks.

Yeah, where are the US poll numbers?

[Kerborus]

I personally think that Joe Dumars and the roster of the 2004-2005 Detroit Pistons were behind 9/11.

You're about a month or two early for that! :)