Since there seems to be a lot of interest in Palin, we'll go for a part II.

Previous thread HERE (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=538897&page=34)

What? No "Ultimate Biden Thread?"

Its a conspiracy! :tinfoil:

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Sorry, I couldn't find her with a red herring. :(

What? No "Ultimate Biden Thread?"

Its a conspiracy! :tinfoil:
No he's just boring. :(

Sure, I post about McCain trying to shut down the Troopergate investigation and suddenly the thread itself gets shut down? Try to be a little less transparent in doing the bidding of the McCain campaign next time, Vin.

;)

^ It's all part of my job as the liberal moderator elite here at DVDTalk. :tinfoil:

So what's this about Palin being hidden away for two weeks? I mean, seriously? Isn't the election less than two months away? They're going to hide her away for one-fourth of her campaign? What the fuck is going on? Have I gone insane?

I know I'm biased... but "Is Sarah Palin Going To Hell In A Handbasket?' has a ring to it for a thread title.

No he's just boring. :(

Come on, he likes AMTRAK! :rock2:

On last nights Bill Maher show, they read the guy who got Palin's daughter pregnant, his myspace page, and he sounded like the typical white wanna be thug. Also they noted that it also said that he didn't want kids, so there was a little debate on whether or not he really wants get married to her or if its a scam.

On last nights Bill Maher show, they read the guy who got Palin's daughter pregnant, his myspace page, and he sounded like the typical white wanna be thug. Also they noted that it also said that he didn't want kids, so there was a little debate on whether or not he really wants get married to her or if its a scam.

I don't know that I would say it's a scam, but I will say that if you accidentally knock up the daughter of your governor/VP candidate, what you want has very little to what you're going to do.

i'm too lazy to look it up, but does anyone know the kids name?

Also, in a rare move, there were actually 2 republicans on the show Michael Steele, former lt gov of md, and Scott McClelin.

i'm too lazy to look it up, but does anyone know the kids name?

Levi Johnston

JasonF, your candidate has said that's off limits, what you just did! :mad:

Also they noted that it also said that he didn't want kids, so there was a little debate on whether or not he really wants get married to her or if its a scam

Obviously the pregnancy was an accident, so an 18 year old kid playing high school hockey saying he did not want kids is to be expected. The boy's mother said that Bristol and the girl had talked about marriage in the past - the accident just speeded things up. Most experts say that for a teen who gets and stays married, she is dramatically increasing the odds that both she and her child will do well in terms of income, wealth and physical well being. So let's hope the marriage works out rather than listening to "Cynical Maher's" take on this.

Also as far as Levi's "wanna be a thug" allegation, he does play hockey (tuff guy sport) and it was Myspace - the cesspool of trash talking. Also does he have a criminal record - if not, leave it alone.

JasonF, your candidate has said that's off limits, what you just did! :mad:

:lol: I almost made a similar joke.

Also they noted that it also said that he didn't want kids, so there was a little debate on whether or not he really wants get married to her or if its a scam

Obviously the pregnancy was an accident, so an 18 year old kid playing high school hockey saying he did not want kids is to be expected. The boy's mother said that Bristol and the girl had talked about marriage in the past - the accident just speeded things up. Most experts say that for a teen who gets and stays married, she is dramatically increasing the odds that both she and her child will do well in terms of income, wealth and physical well being. So let's hope the marriage works out rather than listening to "Cynical Maher's" take on this.

I hope Bill keeps on talking, his mouth has gotten him in trouble often in the past, i.e. America's cowardly acts led to 9/11. I wonder if we are getting close to a journalist being suspended, like when MSNBC's David Shuster was suspended for making remarks about Chelsea Clinton being "pimped out" earlier in the year.

Also as far as Levi's "wanna be a thug" allegation, he does play hockey (tuff guy sport) and it was Myspace - the cesspool of trash talking.

Maher is on hbo, and they didn't fire him over the pope is a nazi joke/bit he did this past season, which caused a lot of controversy.

DavidLMath, we read you the first time.

Obviously the pregnancy was an accident, so an 18 year old kid playing high school hockey saying he did not want kids is to be expected. The boy's mother said that Bristol and the girl had talked about marriage in the past - the accident just speeded things up. Most experts say that for a teen who gets and stays married, she is dramatically increasing the odds that both she and her child will do well in terms of income, wealth and physical well being. So let's hope the marriage works out rather than listening to "Cynical Maher's" take on this.

I hope Bill keeps on talking, his mouth has gotten him in trouble often in the past, i.e. America's cowardly acts led to 9/11. I wonder if we are getting close to a journalist being suspended, like when MSNBC's David Shuster was suspended for making remarks about Chelsea Clinton being "pimped out" earlier in the year.

Also as far as Levi's "wanna be a thug" allegation, he does play hockey (tuff guy sport) and it was Myspace - the cesspool of trash talking.


Yeah, Bill M. or some news journalist really needs to be suspended, because they need to be held to a higher standard than your presidential nominee who's trying to get an investigation stopped and told a joke 10 years ago ("Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno) about the child of the then actual President.

Let's stop investigations (like the last 7 years of Bush) and let's not attack the children of politicians (like the hypocrisy of the Bush administration). But let's blame the media and keep Palin hidden from the pesky questioners until after the election when the lease on Cheney's bunker runs out.

Now that's CHANGE I can get behind!

So what's this about Palin being hidden away for two weeks? I mean, seriously? Isn't the election less than two months away? They're going to hide her away for one-fourth of her campaign? What the fuck is going on? Have I gone insane?

Give her a break. She's getting her hair done.

The other candidates don't have enough hair to worry about. Except for Joe's ducktail, which so many 'elder' statesmen from both parties seem to find fashionable.

JasonF, your candidate has said that's off limits, what you just did! :mad:

He doesn't know what his candidate's positions really are. He's just being contrary.

On last nights Bill Maher show, they read the guy who got Palin's daughter pregnant, his myspace page, and he sounded like the typical white wanna be thug. Also they noted that it also said that he didn't want kids, so there was a little debate on whether or not he really wants get married to her or if its a scam.

Give me a break. How many 18-year-old guys say they want kids? I knew a 26-year-old (extremely liberal) professional woman who vowed that she didn't want kids. Within a year she was pregnant with child # 1. Two and a half years later, she evidently liked the experience enough to become pregnant again.

I would speculate that a high percentage of males are reluctant & apprehensive about having kids when they are first married (let alone while still in their dating years). I know there are some out there who really want to have a passel of kids right away, but I can't ever recall hearing a lot of eager talk about having kids in all of the high school/college bull sessions that went on. The most you might hear is "I want 2 kids" or something like that, but that was more of a mathematical thing. Most guys just seemed to want to avoid the topic altogether.

At least, that's my experience. Maybe more sensitive types discussed the issue at length.

On last nights Bill Maher show, they read the guy who got Palin's daughter pregnant, his myspace page, and he sounded like the typical white wanna be thug. Also they noted that it also said that he didn't want kids, so there was a little debate on whether or not he really wants get married to her or if its a scam.

Yes, Bill is the poster child for mature relationships with women :rolleyes:

hey, Bill Maher knows an immature relationship when he sees it.

Yes, Bill is the poster child for mature relationships with women :rolleyes:

I hear he does pretty well at the Playboy mansion. You might not like him as a person or his politics, but a man has to respect another man that gets as much you know what as he does.

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about 5 min in is when the kid is brought up.
Also here's the new rules seg (which has some funny Palin jokes) both nsfw
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I hear he does pretty well at the Playboy mansion. You might not like him as a person or his politics, but a man has to respect another man that gets as much you know what as he does.

Honestly...do you really think that if Bill were not a celebrity with tons of cash, he would get second looks from hot women?

Anybody with $ automatically enters an entirely new realm regarding 'attractiveness'. If you use the Playboy bunnies as evidence, just consider how many cozy up to poor ole addled Hugh Hefner each night. Last time I heard him interviewed, he sounded like the doddering old uncle that has to be kept out of sight at the wedding. I don't think too many consider frolicking at The Mansion to be a prime example of a "mature relationship".

Anyway, it would probably take a lot of $ for anyone to put up with Bill's constant whining about "organized religion". I imagine that it would get old really quickly.

Not saying that males have to be good-looking to attract females. Self-confidence & assurance go a long way. It's just that Bill seems like the dorky class clown who is funny for a few minutes but doesn't know when to shut up. Then he just gets annoying.

If you need further proof, just consider the current announcement that David Spade is the father of Playboy model Jillian Grace's baby.

Mrs Danger just walked past while I was watching those videos. She thinks that Sarah Palin made sure that her daughter had no sex education, and no access to contraception. Surprise!

Honestly...do you really think that if Bill were not a celebrity with tons of cash, he would get second looks from hot women?

Anybody with $ automatically enters an entirely new realm regarding 'attractiveness'. If you use the Playboy bunnies as evidence, just consider how many cozy up to poor ole addled Hugh Hefner each night. Last time I heard him interviewed, he sounded like the doddering old uncle that has to be kept out of sight at the wedding. I don't think too many consider frolicking at The Mansion to be a prime example of a "mature relationship".

Anyway, it would probably take a lot of $ for anyone to put up with Bill's constant whining about "organized religion". I imagine that it would get old really quickly.

Not saying that males have to be good-looking to attract females. Self-confidence & assurance go a long way. It's just that Bill seems like the dorky class clown who is funny for a few minutes but doesn't know when to shut up. Then he just gets annoying.

If you need further proof, just consider the current announcement that David Spade is the father of Playboy model Jillian Grace's baby.

Your interest in Bill Maher's personal life is quite amusing.

Honestly...do you really think that if Bill were not a celebrity with tons of cash, he would get second looks from hot women?

Anybody with $ automatically enters an entirely new realm regarding 'attractiveness'. If you use the Playboy bunnies as evidence, just consider how many cozy up to poor ole addled Hugh Hefner each night. Last time I heard him interviewed, he sounded like the doddering old uncle that has to be kept out of sight at the wedding. I don't think too many consider frolicking at The Mansion to be a prime example of a "mature relationship".

Anyway, it would probably take a lot of $ for anyone to put up with Bill's constant whining about "organized religion". I imagine that it would get old really quickly.

Not saying that males have to be good-looking to attract females. Self-confidence & assurance go a long way. It's just that Bill seems like the dorky class clown who is funny for a few minutes but doesn't know when to shut up. Then he just gets annoying.

If you need further proof, just consider the current announcement that David Spade is the father of Playboy model Jillian Grace's baby.

You're a republican right? Why else have money and fame if not to get laid? Heff is old certainly and not as sharp as he used to be, but I'd take Heff as an uncle before I'd take some old man who fought in a war. Dare I say that Hugh Hefner has had more influence in this country than John McCain has. Some religous nuts and feminists would say negatively, but as someone who thinks America is too uptight about sex, I'd argue otherwise.

Back to Bill for a moment. Whether you like it or not, he is an alpha male. He has the money, the sense of humor, and the intelligence that most women look for in a man. I'm sure a part of you hates him for his politics and how he comes off acting like his opinion is the only right one to have. Fair enough. But I think another part of you is bitter that he's in Hollywood banging almost anything he pleases while you are probably just an average guy like me.

Dare I say that Hugh Hefner has had more influence in this country than John McCain has.

Oh please DO be daring and say it.

:lol:

So what's this about Palin being hidden away for two weeks? I mean, seriously? Isn't the election less than two months away? They're going to hide her away for one-fourth of her campaign? What the fuck is going on? Have I gone insane?

She'll be doing an inteview with ABC News next week back in Alaska. This was offered several days ago.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/07/palin-offers-first-interview-with-national-media/

She'll be doing an inteview with ABC News next week back in Alaska. This was offered several days ago.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/07/palin-offers-first-interview-with-national-media/

Thank god. Although, it's with Charlie Gibson, so I imagine it will involve belly-rubs and questions about her favorite recipies.

Thank god. Although, it's with Charlie Gibson, so I imagine it will involve belly-rubs and questions about her favorite recipies.
Charlie Gibson's questioning did make Obama fans sad last spring. Maybe Obama just doesn't like having his belly rubbed, though.

Thank god. Although, it's with Charlie Gibson, so <b>I imagine it will involve belly-rubs and questions about her favorite recipies.</b>


Or why can't she "get with it" and wear Pant Suits like Hillary.

I only consider 'ambush' journalism as legitimate myself.

Unless, of course, the candidate I am for is the one playing softball, then I'm OK with it.

But when that pribbling, boil-brained, fustilarian OTHER candidate is playing softball? It's an outrage and I have all kinds of problems with it.

Charlie Gibson's questioning did make Obama fans sad last spring. Maybe Obama just doesn't like having his belly rubbed, though.

You seem to have me confused with someone that has a problem with tough questioning of candidates. Let's just say I'll be surprised if Gibson's Palin interview isn't a fluff piece.

It's not fair to play softball with McCain. The dude can barely move his arms.

Palin and Obama, however... fair game. She could probably beat him at any sport besides basketball, and even there the Barracuda might be able to take him down.

You seem to have me confused with someone that has a problem with tough questioning of candidates. Let's just say I'll be surprised if Gibson's Palin interview isn't a fluff piece.

I have to agree. Make sure everyone sets their DVRs. Charlie will be giggling like a little housewife with Palin. I think Barbara Walters has a better chance of asking tougher questions.

You seem to have me confused with someone that has a problem with tough questioning of candidates.
No, I just wanted to be a bitch.

I think Gibson's aware of his responsibility. He'll be chummy overall, but there will be some difficult questions.

Honestly...do you really think that if Bill were not a celebrity with tons of cash, he would get second looks from hot women?

No, ESPECIALLY Bill Maher.

Growing up in the Los Angeles area, I often found myself in comedy clubs where Bill was starting his comedy career. He wasn't very well liked by other comedians and was often seen as a loser and shunned by the women folk. He wasn't a political comedian at the time--just some ugly dude trying to break into the biz.

As time went on, with better writers, he started making some inroads into the business. His political "schtick" eventually evolved into what it is when he was tapped for ABC's "Politically Incorrect" which was just a time-filler because ABC had nothing better to put on counter-program against the juggernaut "The Tonight Show."

(He's still considered a dickhead by many in the business.)

(He's still considered a dickhead by many in the business.)

(Not just 'in the business' people consider him a dickhead.)

I don't know that I would say it's a scam, but I will say that if you accidentally knock up the daughter of your governor/VP candidate, what you want has very little to what you're going to do.

That was hilarious!

The issue for me isn't whether this guy needed to be fired. The issue is due process and abuse of power. There are appropriate channels for this sort of thing, and the governor shouldn't be short-circuiting that process. Particularly when she has a conflict of interest. (regarding: "This week, her lawyer is scrambling to sidetrack an ethics investigation into whether she abused her power as governor to pressure officials to fire her sister's ex-husband, a state trooper who had been disciplined for drinking beer in his patrol car, illegally shooting a moose and firing a Taser at his 11-year-old stepson.")
I'm acquainted with a number of police officers and one that reads this board told me he was dumbfounded by your response. His reasoning is that Democrats and liberals NEVER believe in "due process" for police, EVER! It seems the sole exception for this rule is when the on-duty beer drinking, moose-hunting, kid-tasering officer can be of political value. Otherwise, he'd be fair game for a tall tree and a sturdy rope. A quick Google and it is also clear the officer had done a variety of other things many people believe should be punished with an expedient trip to the unemployment line. He wished such people would afford him and his brethren such a benefit of the doubt whenever anyone accused him of misconduct but in his words, he "ain't holding [his] breath".

When the "troopergate" story broke over the summer, Palin adamantly denied that anybody in her administration exerted any pressure on Monegan to fire Wooten. But only weeks later, a tape recording surfaced in which another one of her top aides, Frank Bailey, was heard telling a police lieutenant, "Todd and Sarah are scratching their heads, 'Why on earth hasn't this, why is this guy [Wooten] still representing the department?'"
I was curious about how Alaska laws would place a special burden on Todd Palin (her husband) to not say anything in support of firing the trooper or exert undue influence since he is not an elected official, but since when was an aide talking to a lieutenant such a big deal either. Maybe they have a different organizational rank structure than the military I'm more familiar with but Lt's are barely above front line supervisors and the comments in question do not appear to be exerting any pressure at all (merely finding it remarkable that a five day suspension for acts that would result in criminal charges elsewhere were fluffed off so readily).

At which point the usual army of Obama-bashers came out to criticize helping people find jobs, because apparently he didn't help enough people find jobs, or people helped him help people find jobs, or something. Because a 20-something kid fresh out of college who goes into an underprivileged community has failed unless he single-handedly transforms it into a new Eden. The community organizing was never a big deal to most people. It was a nice piece of evidence about his character and priorities, but I don't think it was ever presented as a qualification for the presidency. It only became a big deal when Palin and Giuliani decided to shit all over the concept of helping a community, and the army of anti-Obama drones came out to join the fun.
Obama and his squadron of online sycophants have made his "community activist" ties a major part of his qualifications, thereby subjecting it to the same level of scrutiny as the rest of his resume. Personally, I thought it was a nice aspect to the guy that I wanted to know more about but because some of us asked a few questions, we all must "suck" and be "drones". Knee jerk reactions are not going to help your beloved candidate win any votes from those of us that are undecided (and while I readily admit that Palin's employment background strikes me as somewhat superior, I don't think that any of the candidates are the best this country has to offer).

I'd like to know more about all the candidates without the partisanship spin but that's not going to happen. Each side is going to twist the facts, relentlessly bash the other as though on a mission, and limit dispassionate discourse in favor of sound bites over substance. I feel confident that Obama/Biden will raise taxes on most working people at least as much as they have already admitted they would (also lowering tax breaks on them) just as I feel confident that McCain/Palin would try in vain to pass legislation prohibiting late term abortions but political rhetoric aside, Congress is more dangerous to the American people than who sits in the White House, as evidenced time and again over the last few generations.

Palin and Obama, however... fair game. She could probably beat him at any sport besides basketball, and even there the Barracuda might be able to take him down.

She could probably drop him like a bad habit at 400 yards, and then field dress him.

His political "schtick" eventually evolved into what it is when he was tapped for ABC's "Politically Incorrect" which was just a time-filler because ABC had nothing better to put on counter-program against the juggernaut "The Tonight Show."


Politically Incorrect started on Comedy Central, and moved to ABC when it proved popular.

At which point the usual army of Obama-bashers came out to criticize helping people find jobs, because apparently he didn't help enough people find jobs, or people helped him help people find jobs, or something.

I didn't criticize him -- I asked the simple question, what happened to the unemployment rates in neighborhoods where he was a community organizer compared to the rest of Chicago. This is no different than if a candidate touted his experience running a mutual fund, and I asked how his fund did compared to the Dow, S&P, and other mutual funds.

Good intentions are well and good, but if he wants to be President, I want to know how effective he was at implementing those good intentions.

Politically Incorrect started on Comedy Central, and moved to ABC when it proved popular.

I am incorrect about "Incorrect." You are correct about "Incorrect."

(Bill didn't start making serious money off the show and boffing higher class women until the show made it to a major network.)

On last nights Bill Maher show, they read the guy who got Palin's daughter pregnant, his myspace page, and he sounded like the typical white wanna be thug. Also they noted that it also said that he didn't want kids, so there was a little debate on whether or not he really wants get married to her or if its a scam.


I added that to wikipedia a while ago, but someone else removed it:


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sarah_Palin&oldid=236055229

Sarah Palin

This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Grundle2600 (Talk | contribs) at 16:35, 3 September 2008. It may differ significantly from the current revision.

Family

According to a September 1, 2008 article in the New York Post, Johnston had stated on his myspace page, which has since been taken down, "I don't want kids." [120]

Obviously the pregnancy was an accident, so an 18 year old kid playing high school hockey saying he did not want kids is to be expected. The boy's mother said that Bristol and the girl had talked about marriage in the past - the accident just speeded things up. Most experts say that for a teen who gets and stays married, she is dramatically increasing the odds that both she and her child will do well in terms of income, wealth and physical well being. So let's hope the marriage works out rather than listening to "Cynical Maher's" take on this.

Also as far as Levi's "wanna be a thug" allegation, he does play hockey (tuff guy sport) and it was Myspace - the cesspool of trash talking. Also does he have a criminal record - if not, leave it alone.


This is too much of a coincidence. You are a new poster here, and you just cited, word for word, something that I just added to wikipedia a few days ago.

Do I know you from another message board?

Do I know you in real life?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States

Poverty in the United States

In a September 3, 2008 New York Times article on teenage pregnancy, W. Bradford Wilcox, an associate professor of sociology at the University of Virginia, was quoted as saying, "For a teen who gets and stays married, she is dramatically increasing the odds that both she and her child will do well in terms of income, wealth and physical well being... reducing the odds that her son will end up in jail as a young man or that her daughter will drop out of high school." [23]

Or why can't she "get with it" and wear Pant Suits like Hillary.

Ironically, the sexual dimorphism that Palin favors and Hillary opposes, is part of the biological evolution that Hillary favors and Palin opposes.

Things a person can say to ensure that they won't get laid:

I added that to wikipedia a while ago...

cspan is running the the 2006 Alaska governor debate now. So far it is pretty interesting. Palin is doing fairly well.

The only thing to note is she is against stemcell research. She was asked about gay marriage and if she would support health care rights that involve gay marriage. At this point she would as stated in their constitution. However, she was also asked if she would be in favor of amendment to the constitution limited the rights to only one man and one woman marriages. She didn't really answer that question.

Note this is a debate and doesn't focus on Palin.

There's been a lull in Palin smears and rumors lately... Fortunately someone has been compiling them. Enjoy!


http://explorations.chasrmartin.com/2008/09/06/palin-rumors/



1. Yes, she is Governor of Alaska. No, she’s not the Lieutenant Governor. No, she’s not currently Mayor of Wasilla. Yes, she was Mayor of Wasilla, some years ago.
2. Yes, as Governor of Alaska, she’s the Commander in Chief of the Alaska National Guard. And yes, her professional military subordinate is quite impressed with her in that role.
3. And yes, the New York Times says the job of Governor of Alaska is one of the harder, and more powerful, jobs in state government.
4. Yes, there are people in Alaska who think she’s too liberal.
5. Yes, she did giggle when someone called Lyda Green a “bitch.” Yes, it was the same Lyda Green who tried to force a scheduling conflict that would make Palin miss her son’s high school graduation. Yes, this would also be the Lyda Green who complained no one had asked her about Palin during the vetting process.
6. Yes, she did push for and approve the Wasilla Sports Center. Yes, it did cost a lot of money. (People keep saying $20 million, that article says $14.5 million, but then they also added a $1.2 million dollar food service/kitchen piece. This year, after Palin was out of office as Mayor.) Yes, the city went into debt to do it (how did you buy your house, bunkie?) and raised the city sales tax from 2 percent to 2.5 percent to pay for it. Yes, the city is paying it off early.
7. Yes, she did want authority to have wolves culled from the air, because they were taking too many moose and caribou. Which people hunt for food in the back country in Alaska. No, she isn’t shooting them herself. I mean, not that she couldn’t, but I’m sure she doesn’t have time. (Thanks to bluemerlin in the comments.)
8. No, the Downs baby (Trig) isn’t Bristol’s kid, and no, the kid wasn’t born with Downs because (a) Palin flew on an airplane (b) went home to have the baby after an amniotic leak (c) because he was the result of incest between Todd Palin and Bristol.
9. No, Track (the kid who is leaving for Iraq) didn’t join the NG because he was a drug addict. He may have joined the NG because he was tired of people saying his Mom was getting him into the good hockey leagues. (Yes, that one was original reporting. I’ve got sources in Wasilla.)
10. No, Willow and Piper aren’t named for witches on TV. Among other things, Willow was born before Buffy came on TV, and Piper was born before Charmed.
11. Yes, Trig’s name may be misspelled. Isn’t it usually “Tryg” as in “Trygve”? In any case, I doubt he’s named for the Secretary General of the UN (1948-1952), either. But at least that was before he was born, unlike the others.(Thanks to Chris, via his blog
12. Yes, it appears that she has a Big Dipper tattooed on her ankle. She lost a bet.
13. No, she’s never been in any porn as far as anyone can find (and God knows I get enough google hits on those very topics.) I would think the Big Dipper tattoo would be a giveaway.
14. No, no one seems to be able to even find swimsuit pictures of her from her beauty queen days; God knows I looked. The bikini pictures that are around are photoshopped, just like the Vogue cover I have up.
15. No she wasn’t a member of the (wild-eyed libertarian) Alaska independence Party, although her husband once was
16. No, neither the (Canadian) National Post, nor Marc Armbinder at the Atlantic have troubled themselves to issue a correction. Yes, the New York Times did finally correct their story of September 1 — on September 5. This was after Elizabeth Bumiller was quoted by Howard Kurtz as saying she was “completely confident about the story.” Yes, that was after the New York Times’s source retracted the story. Yes, this should embarrass the Times, Bumiller, and Howard Kurtz. No, there have been no signs of embarrassment.
17. No, she was never a Pat Buchanan supporter; even when Buchanan claims she was, she was on the board of Steve Forbes’a campaign in Alaska.
18. No, she’s not anti-semitic. In fact, she has an Israeli flag in her office. (Contrary to popular belief, the usual Evangelical thinks Israel has a right to exist, granted by God.)
19. No, I don’t think she’s being “indoctrinated by Lieberman and AIPAC as we speak”; I don’t get the feeling that being indoctrinated is something that Palin does well.
20. Yes, it seems unlikely that she’s going to be in hiding for the next two weeks seeing as she’s been in rallies twice in the last two days. Or at least it’s going to be real rough, given that she has three media interviews scheduled today (6 September) alone.
21. Yes, it does appear that Palin’s local pastor preached about an end time when God will judge everyone, even Wasilla, Alaska, and the United States. Duh. This is called the Book of Revelations, and while I don’t believe it personally, I don’t see it as a disqualifier for the hundred million or so Baptists, Methodists, Evangelicals, Episcopalians, Catholics, Assembly of God, Presbyterian, Lutherans (traditional and Missouri Synod), African Methodist, and so on Christians in the US.
22. Yes, I do sometimes wonder about the state of Andrew’s health.
23. No, she’s doesn’t believe that the Iraq War was directed by God. Yes, she did pray that proceeding with the war was God’s will: “they should pray ‘that our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God, that’s what we have to make sure we are praying for, that there is a plan, and that plan is God’s plan.’” (Ever hear the phrase “Not my will, but Thine, be done”?) Yes, this apparently freaks some people right out.
24. No, Buchanan doesn’t support her now; in fact he’s supporting Obama. (Buchanan did think her speech was amazing, but then so do 80 percent of the people who saw it.) Or maybe not. Buchanan sure doesn’t like McCain though.
25. Yes, she was apparently pregnant when she got married
26. No, so far there’s no confirmation she had an affair while she was married, and they’ve denied it pretty strongly. No, she wouldn’t be the first Christian woman who got a little on the side, if it were true.
27. No, she wasn’t named as a co-respondent in a divorce; there’s no evidence she had an affair with her husbands’ business partner. The partner tried to have his divorce records sealed because he was being harrassed by journalists who used them to get his phone number.
28. Yes, barring immaculate conception virgin birth (whatever), Bristol appears to have had sex with her fiancee. No, Bristol didn’t receive only “abstinence-only” sex ed.
29. Yes, I have it on reliable report that Sarah Levi’s mom has been heard screaming “Way to go Levi!” at her future son-in-law son. No, it doesn’t appear to have been when Bristol broke the news to her family.
Note: I originally understood this story to be about Sarah, not Levi’s mom, in the context of hockey games. As such, it’s shouldn’t be in a Sarah Palin Rumors story, but I like the story too much to delete it.
30. yes, her 17 year old daughter is pregnant; no, the baby’s father is not an eighth grader; no, having sex at 16 is not statutory rape in Alaska. And no, there’s no way that a 17 year old can be 5 months pregnant as a result of having sex before she was 16. Learn to count for God’s sakes.
31. yes, she did fire the public safety guy — but he said in the Anchorage paper that, for the record, she never, and no one else in her administration ever, tried to make him fire her ex-brother-in-law
32. and yes, the state trooper (her sister’s ex-husband) she was worried about did: tase her 10 year old nephew; drive his state patrol car while drinking or drunk; did threaten to “bring her down”; and did threaten to murder her father and sister if they dared to get an attorney to help with the divorce.
33. yes, the state trooper was suspended when he was put under a court protective order
34. no, the trooper wasn’t fired
35. yes, she did fire the Wasilla Chief of Police as Mayor; yes, it was because he was lying to the City Council.
36. Yes, she did try to cut her own salary as Mayor by $4000 a year; yes, she had voted against the $4000 a year raise while on the City Council.
37. No, she didn’t cut funding for unwed mothers; yes, she did increase it by “only” 354 percent instead of 454 percent, as part of a multi-year capital expenditures program. No, the Washington Post doesn’t appear to have corrected their story. Even after this was pointed out in the comments on the story.
38. No, she didn’t cut special needs student funding; yes, she did raise it by “only” 175 percent.
39. yes, she did try, clearly unsuccessfully, to get Bristol married off to her fiancee before the story came out
40. yes, she did ask the librarian if some books could be withdrawn because of being offensive; no, they couldn’t; yes she did threaten to fire the librarian a month later; no, that wasn’t over the books thing but instead over administrative issues; no, the librarian wasn’t fired either; yes, the librarian was a big supporter of one of her political opponents; yes, the librarian was also the girlfriend of the Chief of police mentioned above; no, this is not the first time in the history of civilization that someone has been threatened with being fired over a political dispute
41. No the list of books she wanted to ban that’s being passed around isn’t real; among other things, it includes a number of books published after her time in office there.
42. No, that hasn’t actually deterred people from claiming it really is true even if the list isn’t correct. For example:
“This list might not in fact reflect the books Sarah Palin wanted banned. As more than one person in Comments has pointed out, some of them were not published when Palin was in office. It is my hope that the mainstream media will not let this story drop and that at some point an actual list will surface. The very thought of having someone who once advocated book-banning possibly occupying one of the highest offices of our land fills me with profound dread. It should fill you with dread too.”
43. No, I don’t understand why a fake list is supposed to fill me with dread, either.
44. no, it wasn’t won’t be [bad tense, hasn't happened yet] a shotgun wedding; Bristol and Levi been engaged for a good while according to Levi’s mother. It was either an accident or just an unconventional order.
45. yes, she’s an was an Assembly of God Holy Roller. No, she doesn’t attend an AoG church now. Yes, she did leave the AoG because they were getting too weird for her.
46. No, she’s not anti-Mormon. No, not all AoG churches are anti-Mormon. (AoG is even more hard-core about allowing each pastor and congregation to make their own decisions than the Baptists are.) (Thanks to AnonAmom in the comments.)
47. No, she’s not from another planet. No, I haven’t actually heard that one yet, but you wait. Okay, I have now heard it.
48. yes, she apparently believes in some variant of Intelligent Design
49. no, she didn’t try to force the schools to teach it; she said if someone brought it up, it was an appropriate subject for debate.
50. No, she doesn’t believe in “abstinence only” education. Yes, she thinks abstinence is an effective way of preventing pregnancy. Duh. Yes, she believes kids should learn about condom use in schools.
51. Yes, she did smoke marijuana, when it was legal in Alaska. Yes, she apparently did inhale.
52. yes, she kills animals and eats them, and wears their skins
53. yes, she was a beauty contest contestant
54. yes, she was once a sportscaster
55. yes, she has a college degree in Journalism, but I won’t hold that against her, as she seems to have found honest work as well
56. yes, she sometimes wears her hair up; no that’s not a “beehive”
57. yes, her husband is Not A White Person (he’s a Yup’ik; an Eskimo but not an Inuit as my Inuit cousins have taken some pains to explain)
58. yes, she has on occasion, as Mayor, tried to get money from the federal government.
59. yes, she did finally turn down the money for the bridge. Yes, that meant changing her mind about it.
60. yes, she was vetted extensively, not just in three days — I’ve got links to press reports about people coming to Wassila on 29 May, and we had her on our Veepstakes at PJM from the first day we ran it.
61. yes, she want to a bunch of colleges before getting a degree. No, that’s not illegal. Yes, she seems to have made something of herself anyway.
62. no, they didn’t talk to a lot of the R’s power structure during the vetting; that probably has to do with the fact that she beat them in elections and sent a bunch of them to jail.
63. Yes, Sarah Palin’s acceptance speech was written by a speechwriter. Duh. No, none of Obama’s, McCain’s, nor Biden’s speeches were impromptu off the cuff things either.
64. Yes, she did put the Governors plane on eBay. No, that’s not how it was finally sold. Yes, McCain did say it wrong. Bad McCain.
65. No, Sarah Palin doesn’t have such control of Alaskans that people are afraid to say bad things about her. (What, are you nuts? Look at this list.) No, I don’t think it’s likely that she called Obama “Sambo”. (Good God, man, I’m ten years older than she and I barely remember “Little Black Sambo.”) Yes, it seems unlikely to me that she’s be real racist and marry a Yup’ik (or a part Yup’ik.) But yes, people are capable of amazing things. Yes, I’m sure there are people who don’t like her — I’ve talked with some myself. And no, I don’t think this waitress would have been thrilled to be called an “aboriginal”. And yes, if she called Hillary a “bitch”, I’m pretty confident is wasn’t the first time anyone in politics has said that.
66. No, she’s not a “global warming denier”, and when the crush dies down remind me to explain why the very phrasing “global warming denier” is anti-scientific, anti-intellectual, and a clear sign of a desire to impose your beliefs by coercion. But in the mean time, while I do believe that she has expressed some skepticism that warming is wholly human-caused, the existence of the Alaska Climate Change Sub-Cabinet and the Alaska Climate Change Strategy work demonstrate that she’s considering the problem and has brought together people more expert than she to advise her.
67. Yes, Todd Palin did have a DUI. Twenty-two years ago. Get a grip.
68. No, Sarah Palin’s brother isn’t in jail. No matter what the commenter at Anderson Cooper’s page says. (Thanks to Galynn in comments.)
69. Yes, Sarah Palin’s pastor apparently does believe that gays can “repent” and be cured of homosexuality. No, believe it or not, even fundamentalist Christians don’t have to believe every litle thing their pastor believes. Yes, Palin seems to be more libertarian about this.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/06/INB312NP3M.DTL&type=politics

By Tammy Bruce

September 7, 2008

... men and women who never before would have considered voting for a Republican have either decided, or are seriously considering, doing so.

On the day McCain announced her selection as his running mate, Palin thanked Clinton and Ferraro for blazing her trail. A day later, Ferraro noted her shock at Palin's comment. You see, none of her peers, no one, had ever publicly thanked her in the 24 years since her historic run for the White House.

Ferraro has since refused to divulge for whom she's voting.

I think most of nonsense 'talk show', 'commentator', 'roundtable' and etc. BS artists in the media are talking their normal nonsensical smack, and underestimating the effect Palin will have on this election.

Oh boy, this is on the front page of Drudge:

NYT PREPARES TO FRONT EXPOSE ON PALIN'S BABY... DEVELOPING...

No link yet though.

Well since it is from the NYTimes I can almost guarantee it won't be a positive expose. Probably also not fact checked or necessarily true.. you, know, the typical NY Times expose..

Well, yeah, but that goes without saying.

Oh boy, this is on the front page of Drudge:

NYT PREPARES TO FRONT EXPOSE ON PALIN'S BABY... DEVELOPING...

No link yet though.

And this sums up how I feel about that news:
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There's been a lull in Palin smears and rumors lately... Fortunately someone has been compiling them. Enjoy!


I think I'm going to take the advice on the masthead of that website:

Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.

Most of that list is at the level of the old Monty Python "No it isn't! Yes it is!" skit.

Most of that list is at the level of the old Monty Python "No it isn't! Yes it is!" skit.

Yeah, except for the fact that almost every one of his points is hyperlinked to a news article that supports his points.

here in NYC there has been a run on the eyeglasses that Palin was wearing. Some designer brand that goes for $700. supposedly you can't find a pair of these anymore in the whole city

here in NYC there has been a run on the eyeglasses that Palin was wearing. Some designer brand that goes for $700. supposedly you can't find a pair of these anymore in the whole city

Elitist!!!!

here in NYC there has been a run on the eyeglasses that Palin was wearing. Some designer brand that goes for $700. supposedly you can't find a pair of these anymore in the whole city

The LA Times noted that too (with a few underhanded comments):

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-ig-notebook7-2008sep07,0,7585060.story


Sarah Palin's style: the issue at hand
Until time reveals more of the Alaska governor's substance, we can't help but study the Republican VP nominee's style.
By Booth Moore, Times Fashion Critic
September 7, 2008
WHAT TO do about the war, what to do about the economy, what to do about those rimless glasses and that saucy updo? Style has never been more important than it is in this election. That's not just because this high-stakes political contest is being watched by a tabloid and celebrity-obsessed culture. It's also because this election now has so many powerful women on the national stage who are putting their message across with vastly different style strategies.

For months, we've seen how polarizing style can be, dissecting Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's gender-neutral pantsuits, Cindy McCain's $300,000 Oscar de la Renta-and-diamonds convention outfit and Michelle Obama's throwback Jackie O. shift dresses. But in a little more than a week, the Republican vice presidential nominee, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, 44, has stolen the campaign's style spotlight, causing a run on Kawasaki 704 eyeglass frames and upswept hairstyles.

Fashion can be a potent tool for packaging a candidate (or "co-candidate," as political spouses take on more substantial roles). And though men can speak volumes just by washing the gray out of their hair, or choosing to wear makeup on TV, women have bigger challenges. Keeping the focus on the issues, not the clothes or their looks. Projecting authority while seeming approachable, not elitist. If you're a woman in the spotlight of a high-profile race, the issue quickly becomes: What changes are you willing to make to your appearance to get people to take you seriously? And in a savvy, YouTube-aware way, how will you use style to telegraph your essence?

A beauty queen turned politician by way of the PTA, Palin has a style strategy that's quite clever. In an interview in Vogue magazine in February, when rumors of her as a possible VP candidate were only whispers, the Alaska governor said she was trying to be "as frumpy as I could by wearing my hair on top of my head and these schoolmarm glasses." (Never mind that she was appearing in Vogue, bastion of the fashion obsessed, which Clinton famously refused to do when she was campaigning for president.)

Barely a blip on the political radar before now, Palin has to go the extra mile to hone her VP style. But far from uglifying herself, she plays up her sexuality. And this early on, Palin is already playing the image game like a pro. When Sen. John McCain accepted the nomination Thursday night, she wore a black satin jacket that dipped just low enough in front so you could see some cleavage. In this political marriage, Palin clearly knows she's the trophy.

Her hair is a study in contrasts, carefree and "done" at the same time. The untidiness of her updo has a can-do spirit that says, "I have more important things to do than worry about my hair, so I just twirled it into this clip so I could get to the real business of governing and shooting caribou and having babies and taking them to hockey practice."

The bouffant in the front, which appears to be teased from underneath, is more traditional, to appeal to the GOP base and those big donors from Houston who've been known to fly with their hairstylists on their private planes. And yet, you get the feeling that at the end of the day, she could shake out that lustrous mane (longer than any other major female U.S. political figure's) and get it on with her man.

She wears skirts that are quite form-fitting and often goes without stockings. As ZZ Top might say, she's got legs, and she knows how to use 'em. When Sen. John McCain introduced her at an Aug. 29 campaign rally in Dayton, Ohio, she was wearing open-toed red patent leather shoes. The only difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull is lipstick, she said in her acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minn., on Wednesday. She could have added to that joke the black pencil skirt and shiny, oyster-colored jacket she wore that night, a more modern take on Clinton's power pantsuit. It looked darn good.

Which is not to say that style is a substitute for substance. But because she's a relative unknown, style is a lot of what we know about Palin right now. No doubt, in coming days her positions on the issues will eclipse our fascination with the brand of eyeglasses she wears. If they didn't, that would be the worst double standard of all.

I found a website that has them for 252.99 - http://www.visionglasses.com/kkp-704.html

I think the $700 version comes with a blowup doll.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/06/INB312NP3M.DTL&type=politics

By Tammy Bruce

September 7, 2008

... men and women who never before would have considered voting for a Republican have either decided, or are seriously considering, doing so.

On the day McCain announced her selection as his running mate, Palin thanked Clinton and Ferraro for blazing her trail. A day later, Ferraro noted her shock at Palin's comment. You see, none of her peers, no one, had ever publicly thanked her in the 24 years since her historic run for the White House.

Ferraro has since refused to divulge for whom she's voting.

I've long been a fan of Tammy Bruce. :up:

I've long been a fan of Tammy Bruce. :up:Me too.

Since I live in CA now too, I guess I better find out who she is.

Since I live in CA now too, I guess I better find out who she is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammy_Bruce


http://www.kabc.com/Article.asp?id=335945

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/06/INB312NP3M.DTL&type=politics

By Tammy Bruce

September 7, 2008

... men and women who never before would have considered voting for a Republican have either decided, or are seriously considering, doing so.

On the day McCain announced her selection as his running mate, Palin thanked Clinton and Ferraro for blazing her trail. A day later, Ferraro noted her shock at Palin's comment. You see, none of her peers, no one, had ever publicly thanked her in the 24 years since her historic run for the White House.

Ferraro has since refused to divulge for whom she's voting.

Ferraro is supporting Obama. She was on H&C yesterday or the day before when she stated this.

Elitist!!!!

thanks to the republicans and the magic of the FSA, they are now affordable by anyone. my wife buys a pair of $500 - $700 glasses every year or two via FSA. much better than lenscrafters or other cheapo places and they last for many years

This is kind of bizarre. :shrug:

Palin Attended 5 Colleges In 6 Years (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/04/palin-attended-5-colleges_n_124036.html)
AP | Nicholas K. Geranios | September 4, 2008 05:35 PM

POKANE, Wash. - Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin attended five colleges in six years before graduating from the University of Idaho in 1987.

Federal privacy laws prohibit the schools from disclosing her grades, and none of the schools contacted by The Associated Press could say why she transferred. There was no indication any of them were contacted as part of the background investigation of Palin by presidential candidate John McCain's campaign.

"Our office was not contacted by anyone," said Tania Thompson, spokeswoman for the University of Idaho in Moscow.

Palin, the governor of Alaska, was born in Idaho. Her family moved when she was only a few months old to Alaska, where she was raised.

She began college at Hawaii Pacific University, a private, nonsectarian school in Honolulu. She attended only as a freshman during the fall of 1982, school spokeswoman Crystale Lopez said.

Then known as Sarah Louise Heath, she was in the business administration program as a full-time student, Lopez said.

"We're trying to track down someone who knew her," Lopez added.

From Hawaii Pacific, Palin transferred to North Idaho College, a two-year school in Coeur d'Alene, about 30 miles east of Spokane. She attended the college as a general studies major for two semesters, in spring 1983 and fall 1983, spokeswoman Stacy Hudson said.

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"We were not able to track down club affiliations or anything," Hudson said.

The school identified one of her professors but he did not remember her, Hudson said.

Prior to her selection by McCain, the North Idaho College Alumni Association notified Palin in June she would be the recipient of its 2008-2009 Distinguished Alumni of the Year Award.

From North Idaho College, Palin transferred 70 miles south to the University of Idaho, the state's flagship institution. She majored in journalism with an emphasis in broadcast news. She attended Idaho, whose mascot is the Vandals, from fall 1984 to spring 1985.

She then returned to Alaska to attend Matanuska-Susitna College in Palmer in fall 1985.

Then she returned to Idaho, for spring 1986, fall 1986 and spring 1987, when she graduated. Despite her journalism degree, she does not appear to have worked for the college newspaper or campus television station, school officials said. She worked briefly as a sportscaster for KTUU in Anchorage after she graduated college.

The McCain campaign did not have an immediate comment on Palin's higher education record.

In a recent interview with the school's alumni magazine, before her selection to run on the GOP ticket, she explained that her curiosity and love of writing made journalism a natural choice.

"I was always asking everyone the questions, and I still am today," Palin told the magazine.

The University of Idaho is taking advantage of Palin's nomination. A prominent photograph of her is featured on the school's Web site.

I read that about the colleges a few days ago. Bizarre indeed. Then I realized I didn't care enough to post it. :)

I should have though and I'm glad you did, because it's important that this thread be an accurate biography.

How long before the Daily Kos reports that Gov Palin did not actually earn her own degree but that of her daughter?

This is kind of bizarre. :shrug:
Not bizarre at all. It's because she failed her classes and only passed by hooking the faculty up with her secret escort service. :rolleyes:

This is the same booga-booga nonsense that hit Obama with his "faked" birth certificate.

Yeah, it's not bizarre. It's perfectly ordinary. :lol:

Anyone who has ever hired anyone for a position would find this very questionable.

I don't see what's so bizarre about it. :mad: I did the same:

1982-- South Puget Sound Community College (Olympia)
1982-83--Whitman College (Walla Walla)
1983--Lane Community College
1984-5 Nagasaki Junior College (Isahaya)
1985--University of Oregon (Eugene)

I don't know why Palin did it, but for me it was wanting to be near (or far) from one parent or the other, and not really wanting to be in school (I joined the army in 1986).

Nice to see Palin's so squeaky clean, because this is far from the worst thing I've ever done.

Who said it's a bad thing? It's just bizarre. You admitted it was because you didn't want to be in school. I hope Palin has a better reason.

Yeah, it's not bizarre. It's perfectly ordinary. :lol:

Anyone who has ever hired anyone for a position would find this very questionable.

I have never voted Republican in my life, but this election has made me get a real distaste for liberal arguments. I think someone's record as an adult matters a lot more than their school record as a kid.

I have never voted Republican in my life, but this election has made me get a real distaste for liberal arguments. I think someone's record as an adult matters a lot more than their school record as a kid.

"Liberal arguments??" Puleeaze. Vote for who you wish. We really don't need to know your thought process. As an employer, I would be very skeptical of someone who skipped around jobs OR colleges.

I think someone's record as an adult matters a lot more than their school record as a kid.

students at college are "kids"?!

students at college are "kids"?! I think so (but I'm in my 40's now). I was 16 when I graduated HS, so I would think most people would have called me a kid, pretty much till joining the army.

Sorry, CRM114, I didn't see your post before replying to the "bizarreness." It's early and got my hackles up, I guess.

Ferraro is supporting Obama. She was on H&C yesterday or the day before when she stated this.


She could vote for Obama and Palin.

"As an employer, I would be very skeptical of someone who skipped around jobs OR colleges.

I understand why you would be skeptical.

But would you rule them out entirely?

What if they had to take time off to care for a sick parent?

What if there was some other reason, which was not their fault?

students at college are "kids"?!

Most of them are. Not all.

I understand why you would be skeptical.

But would you rule them out entirely?

What if they had to take time off to care for a sick parent?

What if there was some other reason, which was not their fault?
To be fair to CRM114, he did say he would be skeptical. He didn't say it would disqualify them entirely. I would probably be skeptical as well as it is not really the norm of motivated people.

You're a republican right? Why else have money and fame if not to get laid? Heff is old certainly and not as sharp as he used to be, but I'd take Heff as an uncle before I'd take some old man who fought in a war. Dare I say that Hugh Hefner has had more influence in this country than John McCain has. Some religous nuts and feminists would say negatively, but as someone who thinks America is too uptight about sex, I'd argue otherwise.

Back to Bill for a moment. Whether you like it or not, he is an alpha male. He has the money, the sense of humor, and the intelligence that most women look for in a man. I'm sure a part of you hates him for his politics and how he comes off acting like his opinion is the only right one to have. Fair enough. But I think another part of you is bitter that he's in Hollywood banging almost anything he pleases while you are probably just an average guy like me.

Just now checking back in to catch up & know the thread has moved on, but can't help responding to Heff's influence. I would say that he definitely has contributed to public safety by serving as a cautionary warning to men regarding putting sex toys in your mouth (as recent reports have revealed that he nearly died from choking after getting some manner of toy...not identified...stuck in his throat. I believe a centerfold saved his life using the Heimlich maneuver, but could be wrong about Heff's 'guardian angel').

Had they not saved him, his death would have gone down (no pun intended) in history along with other bizarre celeb. deaths (like the actress/dancer...whose name eludes me for the moment...whose trademark long scarf got caught in the rear wheels of a convertible she was riding in/driving and broke her neck or dragged her to death. I believe it was Isadora Duncan). At any rate, I'm sure many of his opponents would have called it poetic justice while his admirers would have said that he went out with his boots on.

You may be right about Bill Mahrer (although Franchot's posts about Bill's earlier days in L.A. were quite illuminating). I was going on logic, merely observing that Bill is not especially good-looking (unless you like the oversized head look), seems so smug & arrogant about every topic, has weird views (such as his aversion to medicines), and is fanatical about religion (he hates it).

On the other hand, he can display a good sense of humor and does exude self-confidence...both qualities which a majority of women find appealing. As far as looks go, I guess I'd concede that I see some fine-looking women running around with some pretty skanky-looking men. :shrug: Nah, I'm not bitter. I had plenty of time to play the field when younger & have been happily having sex with the same wife for 31 years. Bill's not the only guy who wants to remain a bachelor...I suppose it just seems more like immaturity in his case (like the guy who avoids commitments for life). Probably my bias toward his unfair treatment of his political/cultural opponents on both "Real Time" & "Politically Incorrect". I always felt it kind of cowardly to stack the deck the way he does (5 liberals vs. 1 conservative) in order to support his views (although even the liberal guests don't always agree with Bill or each other).

Now, back to the regular discussion.......

I'm not sure I could trust someone who went to several different colleges in a few years to run the country. But I'm quite certain I could trust a lawyer even less. ;)

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I understand why you would be skeptical.

But would you rule them out entirely?

What if they had to take time off to care for a sick parent?

What if there was some other reason, which was not their fault?

This would be covered in the interview. 1 or 2 times? 5 changes is a bit much. Apparently, we aren't even allowed to broach the subject as we would be "attacking" Palin.

To be fair to CRM114, he did say he would be skeptical. He didn't say it would disqualify them entirely. I would probably be skeptical as well as it is not really the norm of motivated people.

I'd be skeptical until I looked over the person's transcripts. One of the finest students I ever had in class (and coached on the court/field) attended colleges in Tennesse, Hawaii, South Carolina, the Netherlands, etc. Although white, she attended a primarily black college to broaden her horizons (very gutsy for a small town girl). She interrupted her graduate studies to go into the Peace Corps, worked in oceanography for a time, backpacked around Europe, etc. She just had a restless spirit & wanted to experience new people & have new experiences. In fact, even though she was a quiet person by nature, she could go on at length with wonderfully-detailed descriptions of the places she had been & the people she'd met. I always looked forward to her return visits after school & could just sit back for hours while she talked (and I vicariously "visited" the world).

Not saying that explains Gov. Palin's several college changes, but I have known some excellent students who started at community colleges, transferred to take advantage of classes offered elsewhere, and ended up graduating at a larger institution.

I'd be skeptical until I looked over their transcripts. One of the finest students I ever had in class (and coached on the court/field) attended colleges in Tennesse, Hawaii, South Carolina, the Netherlands, etc. Although white, she attended a primarily black college to broaden her horizons (very gutsy for a small town girl). She interrupted her graduate studies to go into the Peace Corps, worked in oceanography for a time, backpack around Europe, etc. She just had a restless spirit & wanted to experience new people & have new experiences. In fact, even though she was a quiet person by nature, she could go on at length with wonderfully-detailed descriptions of the places she had been & the people she'd met. I always looked forward to her return visits after school & could just sit back for hours while she talked (and I vicariously "visited" the world).

Not saying that explains Gov. Palin's several college changes, but I have known some excellent students who started at community colleges, transferred to take advantage of classes offered elsewhere, and ended up graduating at a larger institution).
If I were going to hire someone, I wouldn't want a restless spirit ;)

I wonder if Ms. Palin will allow her transcripts to become public?

To be fair to CRM114, he did say he would be skeptical. He didn't say it would disqualify them entirely. I would probably be skeptical as well as it is not really the norm of motivated people.

There are legitimate reasons why people who are excellent workers could have gaps in their employment history.

There are legitimate reasons why people who are excellent workers could have gaps in their employment history.
Of course there are. Without more information about the reasons though, I would be skeptical of someone with gaps more than someone without gaps.

There are legitimate reasons why people who are excellent workers could have gaps in their employment history.

There are no gaps here. (That is an entirely different discussion.) Just a record of going to five institutions over six years.

I wonder if Ms. Palin will allow her transcripts to become public?
Do you honestly care about any of the candidates transcripts? I know I do not.

Edit to add:
I see your point about asking why she changed schools so many times. It is worth asking about, but not dwelling on in my opinion (unless of course she was trying to forget about some sex tapes she made at school)

Very suspicious, this school business. Could backfire completely on McCain when the TRUTH comes out.

Do you honestly care about any of the candidates transcripts? I know I do not.

Not especially. I'd like to know if she skipped around colleges for some academic or disciplinary reason though. I understand that academics are something not valued by the voting public.

Not especially. I'd like to know if she skipped around colleges for some academic or disciplinary reason though. I understand that academics are something not valued by the voting public.
Well, Bush stuck with an Ivy League school where a B- is like an A+++ at a crappy state school. Look where that got us ;)

did biden release his financial statements?


btw, in 2006 he ranked 108th among senators. quite a feat ;)
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did biden release his financial statements?

Who?

Do you honestly care about any of the candidates transcripts? I know I do not.

Edit to add:
I see your point about asking why she changed schools so many times. It is worth asking about, but not dwelling on in my opinion (unless of course she was trying to forget about some sex tapes she made at school)

This article seems to shed a little light.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aYY9hiQdr5E4&refer=home

I wonder if Ms. Palin will allow her transcripts to become public?
Do you wonder the same about Obama?

Do you wonder the same about Obama?

Certainly.

This article seems to shed a little light.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aYY9hiQdr5E4&refer=home

Nail in the coffin. It's over for McCain/Palin. :(

Not especially. I'd like to know if she skipped around colleges for some academic or disciplinary reason though. I understand that academics are something not valued by the voting public.

She's already addressed the issue. She went to Hawaii out-of-state to go to college. She didn't like the first college, so she transferred to the second after just a few weeks. Then her family couldn't afford it after the first year (they had 4 kids in college at the same time and couldn't support all of them), so she returned to a local school in Idaho, lived with family, and paid in-state tuition. Then she competed in beauty pageants for the scholarship money, finished 2nd in the Ms. Alaska pageant, got some scholarship money, and transferred to the University of Idaho.

The last two transfers weren't actually transfers. She was a transient students at a community college to take a couple of classes. Tens of thousands of students do that every year.

So, there's no nefarious issue at play here. She went to an expensive school, couldn't afford it and moved back home, then got some money and went to a moderately priced school.

The issue with the Obama transcripts is that he and Michelle play this "regular folk who worked hard for everything and live the American dream" story, when Michelle Obama admits in her thesis at Princeton that she was only admitted because of Affirmative Action and didn't deserve to get in there. That changes the narrative they're trying to feed America considerably.

Anyone who has ever hired anyone for a position would find this very questionable.

Do people attend multiple colleges usually put down each school they enrolled at, or just the ones that gave them them a degree?

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Never said nefarious.

Did Palin live in Alaska or Idaho? I'm confused. BTW, where did you get your information?

I doubt transcripts would have anything about the content of a thesis other than a title perhaps.

Do people attend multiple colleges usually put down each school they enrolled at, or just the ones that gave them them a degree?


Good point.

Do people attend multiple colleges usually put down each school they enrolled at, or just the ones that gave them them a degree?


For your first job, you should list every school you were officially enrolled at (exclude transient semesters, unless they're at prestigious schools, e.g. a summer at Oxford). After the first position, you revert to listing on degree-granting universities. You do this because your first job will likely want to see transcripts, while future employment will not.

And as someone who has hired hundreds of college grads - moving schools is not that big of an issue, unless there's a huge drop in quality (e.g. transfer from Columbia to a CUNY). You ask, but as long as someone has a reasonable response, it's not a problem. In fact, if the person has a response like Palin (it was financially motivated), that's a good thing because it shows maturity (she could have gone thousands into debt) and tells a story (how she fought to get money to go to the University of Idaho).

Never said nefarious.

Did Palin live in Alaska or Idaho? I'm confused. BTW, where did you get your information?

I doubt transcripts would have anything about the content of a thesis other than a title perhaps.

The Greta van Sustren biography on Fox News included some interviews with her (after she was elected Governor but before she was selected as a VP nom). That's exactly what she said when asked about.

Very suspicious, this school business. Could backfire completely on McCain when the TRUTH comes out.

I think she kept switching schools because she had to move on every time they found out she was an anti-American, fist-jabbing Muslim communist terrorist, and I'm going to continue to believe so even in the wake of any and all contrary evidence.

P.S. Her transcripts are forgeries. They didn't have that font back when she went to school.

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The issue with the Obama transcripts is that he and Michelle play this "regular folk who worked hard for everything and live the American dream" story, when Michelle Obama admits in her thesis at Princeton that she was only admitted because of Affirmative Action and didn't deserve to get in there. That changes the narrative they're trying to feed America considerably.

Michelle actuallys says she didn't deserver getting into a school when AA (Affirmative Action--not the other "AA" :D ) helped her out going there?

Why did she apply in the first place.

Or maybe I'm missing something. I hate coming in late to these threads.

Reminds me of coming in late for college class. :D

Michelle actuallys says she didn't deserver getting into a school when AA (Affirmative Action--not the other "AA" :D ) helped her out going there?

Why did she apply in the first place.

Or maybe I'm missing something. I hate coming in late to these threads.

Reminds me of coming in late for college class. :D

There is an article about Michelle Obama's thesis here (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642.html). The article, in turn, links to the thesis itself.

I have not read the whole thesis, but I have read the article and the introduction to the thesis, and I would be very surprised if it says what matta claims it does. If I'm wrong, I'd appreciate it if someone would point me to the relevant language from the thesis.

For those interested, and who may wondering about Palin's ability to discuss the issues off the teleprompter, these videos of a C-Span interview from February surfaced. She answers questions from Steve Scully, and takes some calls from people around the United States.

She does touch on some foreign and national policy, so that might interest people, but it's mostly about Alaska.

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I think Palin comes across very well in this interview, and she's clearly very capable off the cuff. The question is whether she can address national and global issues with the same poise.

Obama has the right strategy by pretty much refusing to talk about her. It gives the impression that they don't take her seriously, without actually saying so and potentially angering people. Because, I think Palin has the ability to disarm a lot of people with her brand of charm, and they will take her seriously. When it comes to the cult of personality, Palin might be able to stand toe-to-toe with Omaba - so his campaign will have to hammer them on the issues, and their refusal to own the party's failings over the last eight years while inconsistently offering change.

The rest of the interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBaEX6tfxJo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed0ekZUvsdM

Michelle actuallys says she didn't deserver getting into a school when AA (Affirmative Action--not the other "AA" :D ) helped her out going there?

Why did she apply in the first place.


Why do below average students apply to Harvard? Because until you get there, you don't understand your relative qualification to attend any university.

Her thesis was on the racial divide in the US, and she uses it as an example of how she was judged as a black first and a student second (i.e. the separate admissions process due to Affirmative Action).

I would think Michelle would be thankful for the affirmative action if that's the case. I think the "didn't deserve to get in there" is Matta's commentary. It's possible that she states that she probably would not have been accepted if not for affirmative action, but I can neither confirm nor refute.

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I have not read the whole thesis, but I have read the article and the introduction to the thesis, and I would be very surprised if it says what matta claims it does. If I'm wrong, I'd appreciate it if someone would point me to the relevant language from the thesis.

You're going to make me read that again? That thing is written so horribly that it's painful to read. Clinton's is more interesting. It's written better and the Marxism is so apparent that it's almost comical.

Why do below average students apply to Harvard? Because until you get there, you don't understand your relative qualification to attend any university.

Her thesis was on the racial divide in the US, and she uses it as an example of how she was judged as a black first and a student second (i.e. the separate admissions process due to Affirmative Action).

It wouldn't surprise me if she says she feels like others think that she was only admitted because of Affirmative Action and didn't deserve to get in there -- that's consistent with what I read in the article and introduction, which describes her feelings of alienation from the majority white culture on campus. But that's different from saying that she herself feels that she was only admitted because of Affirmative Action and didn't deserve to get in there.

You're going to make me read that again? That thing is written so horribly that it's painful to read. Clinton's is more interesting. It's written better and the Marxism is so apparent that it's almost comical.

I don't think there's any such thing as a well-written thesis. They are all written by overwrought 21-year-olds trying desparately to sound smarter than they think they are.

This would be covered in the interview. 1 or 2 times? 5 changes is a bit much. Apparently, we aren't even allowed to broach the subject as we would be "attacking" Palin.

so what kind of super secret government agency do you work for that would find out if someone went to multiple schools? 95% of employers out there just call the school to make sure they got the degree from there like they say.

even at the federal government level they only check this kind of thing if you go for a Top Secret clearance

so what kind of super secret government agency do you work for that would find out if someone went to multiple schools? 95% of employers out there just call the school to make sure they got the degree from there like they say.

Most of the time, people don't care how many schools you went to, your GPA, or any of that stuff. But, for the first job out of college, many companies do need a way to differentiate students from similar programs with similar internships.

So, that's why for college-hires, companies will request transcripts, look at GPA, etc. The point is that if you're hiring a Chemical Engineer, you could care less what the guy got in his Computer Science class - you want to know what he got in his Chemical Engineering classes and which Chemical Engineering classes he took. A ChE student with a concentration on separation will have different courses and knowledge than a ChE student with a concentration on biochemical reactors. You can't get that from just a GPA, even a major GPA.

Then there's the issue that transcripts often list disciplinary standings, so you can figure out whether or not you need to request the release of records from the Dean of Students.

Can employers figure it out? Sure. If I request your transcript, it's going to list the classes you transferred into that school. Then I request a transcript from your previous school, etc. If I directly ask you to list all the schools you attended, and you leave some out, that's an automatic disqualification for hire.

Of course, none of this matters after you've been working for a few years.

And just to point on why this is done.... here's an actual excerpt from a resume for an interviewee:


Education:
University of Texas - Expected 2004
B.S. Chemical Engineering - GPA: 3.00


Here's what it should have read:


Education:
University of Texas at Austin - 2002 to 2004
B.S. Chemical Engineering - GPA: 2.00

University of Texas at Dallas - 2000 to 2002
B.A. Sociology - GPA: 4.00


There's a big difference there.

Now if the guy had 3 years of work experience and we could look at accomplishments, that's one thing. But for a first job, GPA is a key differentiator of students.

I think she kept switching schools because she had to move on every time they found out she was an anti-American, fist-jabbing Muslim communist terrorist, and I'm going to continue to believe so even in the wake of any and all contrary evidence.
This is the first time in a long time I've seen you so forthcoming and honest :)

A UT grad. Shocking :D

Now matta can tell me how A&M grads are far stupider

A UT "grad". Shocking :D

Now matta can tell me how A&M grads are far stupider

Well, we stopped hiring at TAMU after some "issues" with graduates. In fact, we used to not hire any UT grads, only TAMU (because TAMU grads demand less salary and are much less likely to leave for graduate school), but dropped TAMU from our list of 17 schools at which we hired and had to add UT to fill the gap.

so what kind of super secret government agency do you work for that would find out if someone went to multiple schools? 95% of employers out there just call the school to make sure they got the degree from there like they say.

even at the federal government level they only check this kind of thing if you go for a Top Secret clearance

We've already covered this. If it were a first job scenario, we'd expect transcripts.