----> ACTUAL LISTS WILL GO HERE! <---- (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/dvd-talk/540373-4th-annual-october-horror-movie-challenge-10-1-10-31-lists-go-here.html)</em>
LINK IS NOW ACTIVE!
TO AVOID CLUTTER THE LISTS THREAD WILL BE CREATED JUST PRIOR TO OCTOBER 1ST AS USUAL.
<Table border> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD BGCOLOR=#000000 ALIGN="center" ><FONT FACE="Arial"><B>THE "RULES"</B></FONT></TD> </TR> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD ALIGN="left" ><FONT FACE="Arial">Since '05 the goal of the challenge has been to reach 100 horror/horror-related films. Your personal goal is as high or as low as you want it to be. Whether you achieve it, surpass it or don't even come close to reaching it, the ultimate goal here is to enjoy yourself while conversing with fellow horror fans.</FONT></TD> </TR> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD BGCOLOR=#FFA500 ALIGN="left" ><FONT FACE="Arial"></FONT></TD> </TR> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD BGCOLOR=#FFA500 ALIGN="left" ><FONT FACE="Arial">There will be a separate thread to include your lists as indicated above. Be creative and personalize it however you wish - In 1 post, weekly, biweekly, give reviews, post pics, provide IMDB links to your titles, add YouTube videos, include running times (calculating total times is up to you), etc. It's recommended that you provide a link to your list(s) in your signature for easy access. The only mandatory rule here is NUMBER YOUR LISTS! </FONT></TD> </TR> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD BGCOLOR=#FFA500 ALIGN="left" ><FONT FACE="Arial"></FONT></TD> </TR> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD ALIGN="left" ><FONT FACE="Arial">What qualifies? If you're unsure of your title's genre classification the IMDB (http://www.imdb.com) and allmovie (http://www.allmovie.com) are good sources to determine its potential horror movie status. If you're still uncertain or think it's listed incorrectly, ask...that's what this thread is here for! Horror-comedies, Sci-Fi horror, shitty horror (Prom Night remake, anyone?), kiddie horror, creature features, erotic horror, Masters of Horror (Yesssss, they're considered movies) silents, made-for-TV movies, etc. count. Mini-series count as 1 despite the running time. Legitimate stand-alone horror documentaries count. No fluff! One that isn't a featurette produced exclusively for a film's DVD as supplemental material. For example, don't try and pass off the DVD featurettes, interviews, making of and the like as part of your list. TV shows don't count (except those used as wild cards).</FONT></TD> </TR> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD BGCOLOR=#FFA500 ALIGN="left" ><FONT FACE="Arial"></FONT></TD> </TR> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD BGCOLOR=#FFA500 ALIGN="left" ><FONT FACE="Arial">Keep it civil - take the arguments, name calling and accusations elsewhere. Don't accuse someone of "not having a life" simply because they're able to watch more in a day than you. Remember, not everyone keeps the same schedule and some of us require less sleep than others. And above all, don't let your competitiveness turn ugly and start unnecessary accusations against your fellow participants. If you feel someone has padded their lists just leave it alone. If you have a personal beef with someone settle it anywhere but here ...the IMDB boards for instance. ( Anger Management Techniques (http://www.anger-management-techniques.org) :D ) Keep in mind this is done solely on the honor system.</FONT></TD> </TR> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD BGCOLOR=#FFA500 ALIGN="left" ><FONT FACE="Arial"></FONT></TD> </TR> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD ALIGN="left" ><FONT FACE="Arial">The same film can't be viewed more than once. Remakes are the exception to the rule. In other words, don't go back and watch the theatrical version of "Pale English Titty Vampires Part III: The Anemic Areola" after already having viewed "Pale English Titty Vampires Part III: The Anemic Areola SPF 666 Edition". The same holds true for all versions: director's cuts, unrated editions, colorized versions, fan edits, extended editions, "the version you supposedly couldn't see in a theater", etc. Honestly, why waste precious time watching the same bloody thing over again when there's so many great titles just waiting to be discovered out there? Pick your favorite cut and be content with your decision! </FONT></TD> </TR> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD BGCOLOR=#FFA500 ALIGN="left" ><FONT FACE="Arial"></FONT></TD> </TR> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD BGCOLOR=#FFA500 ALIGN="left" ><FONT FACE="Arial">Vote for you favorite commentary option:
Half credit option. Allow commentaries only after one has viewed the film with the proper soundtrack. If you do choose to go back and listen w/commentary it's worth half a credit/point.
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7 commentary limit. Self explanatory.
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WINNER ---> The "with or without" option. Same as last year. <--- WINNER</FONT></TD> </TR> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD BGCOLOR=#FFA500 ALIGN="left" ><FONT FACE="Arial"></FONT></TD> </TR> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD ALIGN="left" ><FONT FACE="Arial">The formats and where/how you watch them is strictly your call -- DVDs, Blu-ray, HD DVD, at the theater, on television, public domain downloads (links provided below), VHS, Laserdisc, Video On Demand, Netflix, UMD, MiniDV, CED, Unbox, Apple TV, Watch Now, Payperview, Betamax, via laptop, VCD, Video iPod...you name it. And yes, that even includes the pan & scan edited-for-television movies on TBS with multiple pop-ups and commercial interruptions! (NOT Recommended, BTW!) Just make sure the movie is viewed in it's entirety ...especially those of an adult nature!</FONT></TD> </TR> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD BGCOLOR=#FFA500 ALIGN="left" ><FONT FACE="Arial"></FONT></TD> </TR> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD BGCOLOR=#FFA500 ALIGN="left" ><FONT FACE="Arial">Nothing to see here. Move along!</FONT></TD> </TR> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD BGCOLOR=#FFA500 ALIGN="left" ><FONT FACE="Arial"></FONT></TD> </TR> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD ALIGN="left" ><FONT FACE="Arial">If you do watch non-genre titles during the month and feel the need to include them in your list that's alright, but please keep them separate from the qualifying ones and don't number them. The preferred method would be to post them in the "What Are You Watching This Week" thread. Once again, NUMBER YOUR LISTS or my doppelgänger will haunt your dreams!</FONT></TD> </TR> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD BGCOLOR=#FFA500 ALIGN="left" ><FONT FACE="Arial"></FONT></TD> </TR> </Table> <!-- ------------------------- --> <!-- END OF CONVERTED OUTPUT --> <!-- ------------------------- -->
The prizes will be handled somewhat different than in previous challenges. This year it goes like this:
Random drawings will be held for anyone who reaches (or surpasses) the challenge's goal of 100. (via Random.org (http://www.random.org))
<BR>
The participant with the most impressive list.
PRIZES WILL NOT BE REVEALED UNTIL THE END OF THE CHALLENGE.
WARNING: The possibility exists that "crappy" will be the term used to describe them.
More details coming soon.
<Table border> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD BGCOLOR=#000000 ALIGN="center" ><FONT FACE="Arial"><B>OPTIONAL</B></FONT></TD> </TR> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD ALIGN="left" ><FONT FACE="Arial">6 WILD CARDS (courtesy of caligulathegod) - This allows you to add a TV show, Halloween cartoon, short film, etc...and have it count. As always, the challenge wouldn't be complete without wholeheartedly recommending "It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown" as essential viewing. </FONT></TD> </TR> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD BGCOLOR=#FFA500 ALIGN="left" ><FONT FACE="Arial">ORANGE</FONT></TD> </TR><TR VALIGN="top"> <TD ALIGN="left" ><FONT FACE="Arial">THE CHECKLIST - Complete it and feel a sense of accomplishment.</FONT></TD> </TR> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD BGCOLOR=#000000 ALIGN="left" ><FONT FACE="Arial"></FONT></TD> </TR> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD BGCOLOR=#FFA500 ALIGN="left" ><FONT FACE="Arial">ORANGE</FONT></TD> </TR> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD ALIGN="left" ><FONT FACE="Arial"></FONT></TD> </TR> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD ALIGN="left" ><FONT FACE="Arial">THE "31 FILMS FOR 31 DAYS" LIST (courtesy of Trevor) - Watch these 31 films on the listed day, with group discussion starting the next morning. Or don't watch them but still join the discussion. Click HERE (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/dvd-talk/540759-31-films-31-days-horror-challenge-subset.html) for thread.
</FONT></TD> </TR> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD BGCOLOR=#FFA500 ALIGN="left" ><FONT FACE="Arial">ORANGE</FONT></TD> </TR> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD BGCOLOR=#FFA500 ALIGN="left" ><FONT FACE="Arial"></FONT></TD> </TR> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD BGCOLOR=#000000 ALIGN="left" ><FONT FACE="Arial"></FONT></TD> </TR> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD BGCOLOR=#000000 ALIGN="left" ><FONT FACE="Arial">SEE POST 2 FOR MORE DETAILS</FONT></TD> </TR> <TR VALIGN="top"> <TD BGCOLOR=#000000 ALIGN="left" ><FONT FACE="Arial"></FONT></TD> </TR> </Table> <!-- ------------------------- --> <!-- END OF CONVERTED OUTPUT --> <!-- ------------------------- -->
Turner Classic Movies ---> October 2008 Schedule of Qualifying Titles:
October 1
3:00 PM - Most Dangerous Game (1932)
1:15 AM - King Kong (1933)
October 5
10:00 AM - The Spiral Staircase (1945)
October 11
4:00 PM - The Haunting (1963)
October 12
4:15 AM - 13 Ghosts (1960)
October 17
10:30 PM - The Stepford Wives (1975)
12:30 AM - The Little Girl Who Lives Down the Lane (1976)
2:15 AM - Wicked, Wicked (1973)
October 19
12:00 PM - Village Of The Damned (1960)
1:30 PM - House Of Usher (1960)
2:00 AM - Eyes Without a Face (1960)
3:45 AM - The Mystery Of The Wax Museum (1933)
October 20
6:00 AM - Kongo (1932)
7:45 AM - The Ghost Ship (1943)
9:00 Am - The Seventh Victim (1943)
10:15 AM - The Return Of Doctor X (1939)
11:30 AM - The Mysterious Doctor (1943)
12:30 PM - The Woman In White (1948)
2:30 Pm - The Haunting (1963)
October 22
8:00 PM - The Hunchback Of Notre Dame(1939)
1:45 Am - Cat People (1942)
3:00 Am - I Walked With A Zombie (1943)
4:15 Am - Isle of the Dead (1945)
October 23
5:30 AM - The Body Snatcher (1945)
October 24
2:00 Am - Carnival of Souls (1962)
3:30 Am - Spider Baby (1968)
October 25
6:00 Am - The Picture of Dorian Gray (1945)
8:00 PM - Psycho (1960)
10:00 PM - Peeping Tom (1960)
12:00 AM - Strait-Jacket (1964)
3:45 AM - Homicidal (1961)
October 26
2:00 PM - The Birds (1963)
1:30 AM - The Unknown (1927)
2:30 AM - Vampyr - Der Traum des Allan Grey (1932)
3:45 AM - The Black Room (1935)
October 27
5:00 AM - Before I Hang (1940)
October 29
6:00 AM - The Spiral Staircase (1945)
October 30
4:45 PM - The Thing From Another World (1951)
6:15 PM - Mad Love (1935)
7:30 PM - The Beast With Five Fingers (1946)
9:00 PM - I Walked With A Zombie (1943)
10:15 PM - Curse of the Demon (1958)
12:00 PM - The Gorgon (1964)
1:30 PM - Mr. Sardonicus (1961)
3:15 PM - The Tomb Of Ligeia (1964)
5:00 PM - The Tingler (1959)
6:30 PM - House Of Usher (1960)
8:00 PM - Dead of Night (1945)
10:00 PM - Torture Garden (1967)
11:45 PM - Twice-Told Tales (1963)
2:00 AM - Kwaidan (1964)
October 31
4:45 AM - Spirits of the Dead (1969)
7:30 AM - Cat People (1942)
9:00 AM - Freaks (1932)
10:15 AM - The Devil Doll (1936)
11:45 AM - Mark Of The Vampire (1935)
1:00 PM - The Devil Bat (1940)
2:15 PM - White Zombie (1932)
3:30 PM - The Body Snatcher (1945)
5:00 PM - Bedlam (1946)
6:30 PM - The Ghoul (1933)
8:00 PM - The Haunted Palace (1963)
9:30 PM - Die, Monster, Die ! (1965)
11:00 PM - The Shuttered Room (1966)
12:45 AM - The Dunwich Horror (1970)
2:30 AM - Blood Feast (1963)
3:45 AM - Two Thousand Maniacs! (1964)
Public Domain Horror Films --> Archive.org (http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=%28collection%3ASciFi_Horror%20OR%20mediatype%3ASciFi_Horror%29%20AND%20-mediatype%3Acollection&sort=-avg_rating%3B-num_reviews) (Some are Sci-Fi) -or- PDT (http://www.publicdomaintorrents.com/nshowcat.html?category=horror)</em>
<em>Provide a link to you list(s) in your signature.
Give reviews. Even if it's just a mini-review, a simple :up: / :down: or one word description.
Increase your coffee consumption.
Insomniac? Use it to your advantage!
Work from home? Ditto.
Cut down on your Internet time. Instead of constantly discussing movies...watch them!
Skip the supplemental material ...there's always November for that!
Boredom setting in? Watch another movie!
ENJOY YOURSELF!</em>
As is usually the case, there's been a few minor changes made to this year's challenge. They are due to your feedback taken from this thread (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=516804) and are the following:
New this year is The "31 Films for 31 Days" List to encourage group discussion.
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Horror documentaries are still allowed, but the "fluff" taken from DVD supplemental material (making of, featurettes, behind the scenes, etc.) no longer count. Some legitimate examples include: "100 Years of Horror", "American Nightmare", "Fear in the Dark" and "Halloween: 25 Years of Terror".
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Pending your votes, a commentary rule change is a possibility.
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The Wilds Cards have been doubled to 6.
Yes, I realize everyone doesn't always agree on allowing commentaries, the 40-minute rule, the exclusion of TV shows, etc. But the fact of the matter is it's damn near impossible to satisfy everyone, that's the sole reason the feedback thread was created and your input was taken accordingly.
This is an optional subset of the overall challenge. Watch these 31 films on the listed day, with group discussion starting the next morning. Or don't watch them but still join the discussion.
The "31 Films in 31 Days" Thread (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/dvd-talk/540759-31-films-31-days-horror-challenge-subset.html)
-Courtesy of Trevor
October 1st
Nosferatu
October 2nd
Shadow of the Vampire
October 3rd
Suspiria
October 4th
A Nightmare on Elm Street
October 5th
Night of the Living Dead
October 6th
The Shining
October 7th
Stuart Gordon's Re-Animator
October 8th
Creature from the Black Lagoon (chosen by vote)
October 9th
The Devil's Rejects (chosen by FusionX)
October 10th
Rosemary's Baby
October 11th
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
October 12th
Freaks
October 13th
Friday the 13th
October 14th
The Wolf Man (this is October's Full Moon)
October 15th
Claw of Terror (aka "Scream Bloody Murder")
YouTube link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUo7CPcNeuY) (chosen by Mister Peepers)
October 16th
Manos: The Hands of Fate (chosen by steelpotato)
October 17th
The Exorcist
October 18th
The Invisible Man
October 19th
Hard (chosen by edwardnortonfan)
October 20th
April Fool's Day (chosen by wlverinefactor)
October 21st
John Carpenter's The Thing
October 22nd
The Evil Dead
October 23rd
Psycho
October 24th
The Mummy
October 25th
The Pit and the Pendulum (chosen by Dimension X)
October 26th
Horror of Dracula (chosen by Crazee4DVDs)
There are 6 wild card options. The wild card can be used for any horror related item, including It's the Great Pumpkin Charlie Brown, various halloween Bugs Bunny cartoons, Roseanne or Simpsons Halloween episodes, X-Files or Angel the Series episodes, etc.
The Expanded Checklist/Bingo Card
(Copy & paste into your list.)
Watch one film from every decade of film history.
--- 1890 - (insert film title here)
--- 1900 -
--- 1910 -
--- 1920 -
--- 1930 -
--- 1940 -
--- 1950 -
--- 1960 -
--- 1970 -
--- 1980 -
--- 1990 -
--- 2000 -
Watch a film for each rating:
--- Unrated (pre-MPAA) - (insert film title here)
--- G -
--- PG -
--- PG-13 -
--- R -
--- NC-17 -
--- X (not porn; several horror films were rated X) -
--- Unrated (post-MPAA) -
Watch a film starring:
--- Bela Lugosi - (insert film title here)
--- Lon Chaney Sr. -
--- Boris Karloff -
--- Lon Chaney Jr. -
--- Vincent Price -
--- Peter Cushing -
--- Christopher Lee -
--- Robert Englund -
--- Bruce Campbell -
--- Jamie Lee Curtis -
Watch films in at least two languages other than English.
--- First language, (insert language), (insert title).
--- Second language, (insert language), (insert title).
Watch a film in each of the following subgenres/types:
--- Vampire - (insert film title here)
--- Frankenstein -
--- Werewolf -
--- Mummy -
--- Invisible Man -
--- Ghost/haunting -
--- Witchcraft/satanic/religious -
--- Zombie -
--- Slasher/psycho/homicidal maniac -
--- Monster/creature feature/Godzilla -
--- Documentary -
--- Musical -
--- Spoof/comedy -
--- Revenge -
--- Killer/evil doll -
--- Killer/evil animal -
--- Killer/evil child -
--- Giallo -
--- J horror -
--- MST3K/rifftrax/CT -
--- film and its remake -
--- based on a video game -
--- based on a novel -
--- directed by Herschell Gordon Lewis or Uwe Boll or Ulli Lommel -
--- won an Academy Award -- any category -
--- silent film -
--- Criterion version film -
--- with commentary -
--- film and at least two of its sequels -
--- anthology film -
--- takes place on a holiday -
--- takes place in space -
--- takes place on or under the sea -
--- animated film -
--- called "Night of the ..." -
--- called "Return of the ..." -
--- called "Revenge of the ..." -
--- called "Attack of the ..." -
--- with the words "Living Dead" in the title -
(One film could fill multiple items. Example: Dracula would fill one for decade, rating, actor, vampire, based on novel, and maybe others as well.)
(Use a * to mark first time viewings.)
(Change "---" to "-X-" or some similar mark when you have completed that line item.)
(First one to fill in all the blanks wins a random DVD from Trevor.)
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Chad
09-01-08, 07:03 PM
Reserved.
chris_sc77
09-01-08, 07:11 PM
Are we gonna have an official poll for the highly debated "Commentary" count?
Well, my vote goes to C. Unlimited Commentary. (The "with or without" option. Same as last year.)
Chad
09-01-08, 08:28 PM
^Glad you reminded me.
Vote for you favorite commentary option:
Half credit option. Allow commentaries only after one has viewed the film with the proper soundtrack. If you do choose to go back and listen w/commentary it's worth half a credit/point.
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7 commentary limit. Self explanatory.
<br>
The "with or without" option. Same as last year.
If you already voted over in the feedback thread I'll carry those votes over.
riotinmyskull
09-01-08, 08:31 PM
i'm voting for C
caligulathegod
09-01-08, 08:35 PM
Is it really that much of a burden to watch a real movie for the challenge? Commentaries pass the time "quicker" and more effortlessly, I'll give you that, but it takes more effort to actually be engaged in the story, the characters, the dialogue, the sound effects, etc. Horror's (of all genres) main purpose is to invoke a reaction, be it fear or terror, disgust or revulsion, shock, suspense, thrills, the jibblies, or whatever. Listening to someone talk over the soundtrack giving away tricks or upcoming scares, or telling us how much fun it was to work with so-and-so, or how great the catering was that day doesn't do that. This is a Horror movie challenge and it is in the spirit of the challenge to let the movies have a chance to work. It's not a "spend October with your DVDs" challenge. It's a "let's all watch a bunch of Horror movies together" challenge. Doesn't matter how you vote or what the rule ends up being. All I hope is for everyone to have respect for the genre and for the challenge and enjoy being scared the way it was meant to be.
I'm caligulathegod, and I approved this message. (cue: Suspiria theme and Horror flags waving) :rip::rip::rip:
As to the vote, there probably should have been a "D:No Commentary" option, too. I suggested "A" so that those who really wanted to listen to commentaries could still do so, but with a modest cost.
And yeah, I know. I've politicked enough.
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1522/horsecatuk9.gif
Chad
09-01-08, 09:25 PM
^Can't say I disagree says the guy who's gone 3 consecutive challenges without a single commentary.
As to the vote, there probably should have been a "D:No Commentary" option, too. I suggested "A" so that those who really wanted to listen to commentaries could still do so, but with a modest cost.
:doh: Yeah, well, it probably wouldn't have had a chance anyway. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :D
That actually looked to me like they were just playing the Goblin soundtrack until they kicked into their own song.
Mountain Biker
09-01-08, 11:33 PM
I'm with the others who have voted "D. No commentaries"
RagingBull80
09-01-08, 11:35 PM
You rock Chad!
Great job on the thread! :up:
I'm really excited about this.
Trevor
09-01-08, 11:49 PM
I'm torn on the commentary thing. Could easily vote "D", no commentaries. But then, my main "flogging a dead horse mantra" has been along the lines of "less rules, more fun, let people count whatever they want, don't worry if they're "doing it wrong", and relax". So I guess C is my choice. A and B are too "rulesy".
Also, we need a set rule that MST3K and rifftrax are not commentaries, as you still hear the "real soundtrack".
Here is the expanded checklist from last year.
edit - tweaked and moved to a later page
Trevor
09-01-08, 11:52 PM
Quick idea on the 31 nights. Let's make It's the Great Pumpkin Charlie Brown one of the nights. Whenever it is on network TV I guess?
caligulathegod
09-02-08, 12:06 AM
Isn't "Watch a film based on a video game" and "Watch a film directed by Uwe Boll" redundant? I'd just as soon lose the Uwe Boll entry and put in some other hack like H.G. Lewis or Joe D'Amato or someone else equally painful.
"A" really isn't as "rulesy as it seems. It is the only one (other than the non-existent D) that insists viewers actually watch the film properly. I mean, it really should be self-evident that in a movie watching challenge you actually watch movies. It's also a concession to those who really, really want to watch a commentary. If you watch "half" a film, you should only get half credit.
Dean Kousoulas
09-02-08, 12:41 AM
This sounds like fun. I never was a big fan of horror, of course i've seen all the "classics" but hopefully hearing your feedback on some titles will turn me on to a couple I missed.
Fist of Doom
09-02-08, 12:58 AM
No commentaries!
Horror Challenge only pure challenge. Extras lame, make Bumble angry...
http://ericboggs.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/bumble1.jpg
The Monkees
09-02-08, 01:43 AM
I can't believe it's less than a month. I'm getting excited, I always get an urge to watch horror films around August / September but usually hold off until October.
Julie Walker
09-02-08, 02:06 AM
I'll try to watch some movies this October, but can make no guarantee that I will watch many or any.
Last year I only made it to 8 films, and that was a struggle itself with my work and class schedule. And i'm in a similar sitation this year. I'll try to watch stuff I have not watched yet, or haven't watched in a few years. And I may watch some alternate versions to mix it up as well. That is the plan anyway,if I can work in some films.
Of course it should be quality over quantity,and just have fun with it. And watching only 8 last year wasn't bad and was fun for the most part.
josepotato
09-02-08, 03:07 AM
I'll vote for B since there are a few films I might like to watch with the commentary on. Looking forward to another great challenge this year Chad!
Mister Peepers
09-02-08, 10:14 AM
H.G. Lewis
I'd love to swap out Uwe Boll for him.
From the feedback thread there were these suggestions for the checklist "movie title beginning with" "Return of the...", Revenge of the...", and "Attack of the..."
I'll also add "a movie title with containing 'Living Dead'".
Chad
09-02-08, 02:34 PM
I updated the checklist to the expanded version. Can't exactly say what prompted me to post the older one.
Regarding the list:
I would like to suggest swapping dates for THE EXORCIST (October 11) and TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE (October 17), as October 11 is Texas/OU weekend (which is when TCM 2 is set). Hook 'em Horns!
Sounds good/will do.
Done.
I'm also going to move Dracula I think. Does anyone agree that Dracula 3 straight days to open things might be too much?
As long as they're not back-to-back with the other Universal monster movies any day is fine by me.
Quick idea on the 31 nights. Let's make It's the Great Pumpkin Charlie Brown one of the nights. Whenever it is on network TV I gues
If memory serves, ABC took their sweet time and didn't announce last year's air date (10/30) until mid-October. I'm sure it'll be the same way this year.
BTW, don't forget the new 'remastered Deluxe Edition' DVD comes out today. I never got around to getting the Paramount one, so I'll probably bite.
I'd just as soon lose the Uwe Boll entry and put in some other hack like H.G. Lewis or Joe D'Amato or someone else equally painful.
Agreed. Asking someone to watch an Uwe Boll flick is cruel and unusual punishment. And I can say without a doubt it's the main reason I failed to complete last year's checklist.
I'll also add "a movie title with containing 'Living Dead'".
Good idea. And I'd like to add "Giallo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giallo)" in horror subgenres.
riotinmyskull
09-02-08, 02:35 PM
I'd love to swap out Uwe Boll for him.
From the feedback thread there were these suggestions for the checklist "movie title beginning with" "Return of the...", Revenge of the...", and "Attack of the..."
I'll also add "a movie title with containing 'Living Dead'".
dont forget "night of the..."
JerryKILL
09-02-08, 03:48 PM
Wicked, Wicked (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070916/) (1973) is playing one time only (http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title.jsp?stid=2633) on TCM on October 17 at 2:15am eastern. It is not on the TCM list. Yes, it is in widescreen DUOVISION!!!
Chad
09-02-08, 04:55 PM
^Thank you.
Looks like it's an encore presentation of the original 6/6 TCM Underground airing:
Added it along with "The Stepford Wives" and "The Little Girl Who Lives Down the Lane".
Apparently I somehow overlooked the 17th completely.
NoirFan
09-02-08, 05:08 PM
Wicked, Wicked sounds like an interesting oddity."No Glasses - All You Need Are Your Eyes." How many other films are completely split-screen? The only one I'm aware of is Mike Figgis' Timecode, with four (!) simultaneous frames of action.
clckworang
09-02-08, 05:18 PM
I know I didn't exactly light up the scoreboard in the recent sci-fi challenge, but I would like to take part in the horror one as well. I'm not saying I'll do great, but I might do better than in the last one at least.
Dimension X
09-02-08, 05:20 PM
Wicked, Wicked sounds like an interesting oddity."No Glasses - All You Need Are Your Eyes." How many other films are completely split-screen? The only one I'm aware of is Mike Figgis' Timecode, with four (!) simultaneous frames of action.
I watched Wicked, Wicked the last time they showed it. I thought it was pretty good. It's definitely worth checking out.
Is The Boston Strangler all split screen, or is it on and off like The Thomas Crown Affair?
JerryKILL
09-02-08, 05:43 PM
The 2005, 2006, 2007 links at the very top all seem to go to 2007.
Mister Peepers
09-02-08, 05:44 PM
How many other films are completely split-screen? The only one I'm aware of is Mike Figgis' Timecode, with four (!) simultaneous frames of action.
I wouldn't call watching 4 simultaneous frames of people walking around not saying or doing anything, other than walking, action. There is that time when someone rides a taxi from one building to another. That was pretty exciting :)
Note: For those that don't know, Timecode has no cuts or editing. When someone is riding in a cab somewhere, you sit and stare at them as they sit and do nothing in a cab until they get to there destination.
There's some convenience store robbery type movie that Troma distributed that does 4 frames. My wife also rented some other movie that does 4 frames but after watching Timecode I don't want to watch any godawful indie movie that uses it as a gimmick instead of having a decent plot.
In case anyone hasn't figured it out, I am not a fan of Timecode.
RobCA
09-02-08, 05:53 PM
How many other films are completely split-screen? I haven't seen it, but according to reviews I've read, Conversations with Other Women is entirely split screen.
Rob
Chad
09-02-08, 06:13 PM
The 2005, 2006, 2007 links at the very top all seem to go to 2007.
Fixed. Thanks.
dcrw6
09-02-08, 07:44 PM
I just want to say that I hope there aren't any pages and pages of arguing this year. I live for horror movies and look forward to this every year now, and I just quit even checking the thread halfway through the month because it was so tedious reading all the bad vibes. It killed the mood for me and I even quit updating my list. So please, guys, let's keep it civil and fun.
With that being said, I'm still working full time and going to school full time, but I plan on packing as many movies as I can. I'm hoping I'll hit 100 this year, but I'll be happy to hit 75. Happy hauntings, everyone.
And Chad, I love the first post. Very nice and classy.
dan31655
09-02-08, 08:37 PM
I'm voting for option C in the commentary poll. Nice addition of uwe boll, I'll be watching his films.
So I'm in with a goal of about 100.
caligulathegod
09-02-08, 10:25 PM
We did Ewe Boll last year, though. I think it was a joke listing that has run its course. There's so many other bad Horror directors to plug in there.
NoirFan
09-02-08, 10:32 PM
We did Ewe Boll last year, though. I think it was a joke listing that has run its course. There's so many other bad Horror directors to plug in there.
Here's another vote for substituting Herschell Gordon Lewis, or perhaps Andy Milligan.
Trevor
09-02-08, 11:17 PM
Here's another vote for substituting Herschell Gordon Lewis, or perhaps Andy Milligan.
Since watching Boll was cruel and unusual punishment, and we are celebrating the history of horror a bit in this challenge, I agree.
caligulathegod
09-03-08, 02:15 AM
Ewe also prevented me from completing the Horror Yahtzee checklist. I vote for HGL.
JOE29
09-03-08, 08:02 AM
I know I didn't exactly light up the scoreboard in the recent sci-fi challenge, but I would like to take part in the horror one as well. I'm not saying I'll do great, but I might do better than in the last one at least.
It's really not about doing great. Everyone has a schedule in their lives to follow that disrupts the movie challenge. As many of other people have said ( including me ) before, it's about having fun with this. It's about conversing with other people about the movies we love and some we don't love. And possibly picking up a few recommendations for movies that we haven't seen yet. But most of all just have fun with it and the hell with the final total.
The Monkees
09-03-08, 11:26 AM
I was just thinking, would Ernest Scared Stupid count? I know it's not exactly horror, but it's Halloween oriented and I guess it's children's horror. I would think it would count, but I just wanted to check.
Darth Maher
09-03-08, 11:46 AM
Last year, somebody told me that the Disney "Halloweentown" movies counted so I guess "Ernest" would count too.
Imdb says it's horror.
Quack
09-03-08, 11:59 AM
Looks good Chad, I definitely like the 31 in 31 days list....looks great!
Giles
09-03-08, 12:12 PM
I thought I added a comment to this thread -
C for the commentary question..
Dimension X
09-03-08, 12:30 PM
I was just thinking, would Ernest Scared Stupid count? I know it's not exactly horror, but it's Halloween oriented and I guess it's children's horror. I would think it would count, but I just wanted to check.
Horror comedies have always counted.
NoirFan
09-03-08, 12:32 PM
Horror comedies have always counted.
Anyone else going to watch Mad Monster Party?
Dimension X
09-03-08, 12:35 PM
Anyone else going to watch Mad Monster Party?
Now that you've reminded me, yes.
Giles
09-03-08, 12:35 PM
Anyone else going to watch Mad Monster Party?
had seen it during a prior challenge - it's really out there, weird and very entertaining.
RobCA
09-03-08, 02:00 PM
Anyone else going to watch Mad Monster Party? :wave:
KillerCannibal
09-03-08, 03:22 PM
This all sounds awesome to me. My only goal is to top the 25 I watched last year. Looking forward to it!
Edit: Ernest Scared Stupid better count! It's a title I watch every year.
Darth Maher
09-03-08, 03:43 PM
Anyone else going to watch Mad Monster Party?
There is a theater somewhat nearby that is showing this the weekend before Halloween. I might check it out. I don't know if this is a 35mm print or just the DVD projected on the big screen.
If I don't make it there, I can always watch my DVD. :)
Giles
09-03-08, 03:44 PM
There is a theater somewhat nearby that is showing this the weekend before Halloween. I might check it out. I don't know if this is a 35mm print or just the DVD projected on the big screen.
If I don't make it there, I can always watch my DVD. :)
is the DVD in print, or am I just thinking it's not anymore?
NoirFan
09-03-08, 03:47 PM
is the DVD in print, or am I just thinking it's not anymore?
It's in print, and Netflix carries it (http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Mad_Monster_Party/60029894?trkid=222336&lnkctr=srchrd-sr&strkid=1815833659_0_0).
logangrey
09-03-08, 03:48 PM
is the DVD in print, or am I just thinking it's not anymore?
It's still in print - Anchor Bay puts it out. It can be picked up for under $10.
Darth Maher
09-03-08, 03:51 PM
I tried to play this for my 3 year old last year and she showed no interest in it. Maybe this year, since she'll be 4, she'll like it.
JerryKILL
09-03-08, 06:38 PM
Mad Monster Party? is my traditional Halloween send off on the 31st, at least for the last several years. It has just the right touches of humor and songs (well, maybe too much of that Phyllis Diller song), is populated with iconic horror figures, and hey it's stop motion animation! A good double feature with The Nightmare Before Christmas.
Darkgod
09-03-08, 07:20 PM
Sounds awesome Chad,and I vote for C.
One suggestion. With the prizes... eliminate the prize for most entrees. Keep the everyone over a hundred, as well as the most inpressive list. But if you take away that one, you'll eliminate people arguing(myself included) over peopls list featuring 40 titles in one night.
As I said though, thanks, and no matter what the chopice im still gonna have fun with this.
Trevor
09-03-08, 07:32 PM
I agree. There should be absolutely no incentive for anyone to go over 100. That would just encourage cheating, or the perception of cheating, arguing, and people getting less enjoyment out of the whole process.
There is no winner in these challenges, just participants.
Shack
09-03-08, 08:17 PM
There is no winner in these challenges, just participants.
Given the endurance it takes, perhaps:
There is no winner in these challenges, just survivors!
Chad
09-03-08, 11:47 PM
^ I'll shed some light on the prize situation soon.
Anyone else going to watch Mad Monster Party?
Si. I discovered it just over 3 years ago, but already it's essential viewing for me.
Last year, somebody told me that the Disney "Halloweentown" movies counted so I guess "Ernest" would count too
They definitely count. Hocus Pocus (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107120) is another fairly popular title around here. Of course most are somewhat reluctant to actually admit to that. :D
RobCA
09-03-08, 11:56 PM
I'll be watching quite a few horror comedies, including:
The Addams Family
Addams Family Values
Bride of Chucky
Seed of Chucky
Ed Wood
Elvira: Mistress of the Dark
Elvira's Haunted Hills
Killer Klowns from Outer Space
Little Shop of Horrors (1960 and 1986 versions)
Mad Monster Party
Psycho Beach Party
Return of the Killer Tomatoes
Return to Horror High
Transylvania 6-5000
Vamp
Young Frankenstein
RichardW
09-04-08, 07:03 AM
I'm in. I've already been buying some Universal Monster and Hammer Horror movies in preparation.
riotinmyskull
09-04-08, 07:19 AM
can i go ahead and get a ruling on THE HAPPENING as being a horror movie or not. i'm not looking for anyone's opinion on the movie (i've seen it) just whether or not it will be considered for this challenge.
Shack
09-04-08, 10:10 AM
I'll be watching quite a few horror comedies, including:
The Addams Family
Addams Family Values
Bride of Chucky
Seed of Chucky
Ed Wood
Elvira: Mistress of the Dark
Elvira's Haunted Hills
Killer Klowns from Outer Space
Little Shop of Horrors (1960 and 1986 versions)
Mad Monster Party
Psycho Beach Party
Return of the Killer Tomatoes
Return to Horror High
Transylvania 6-5000
Vamp
Young Frankenstein
Yeah, it wouldn't be Halloween without a viewing of Young Frankenstein (and Shaun of the Dead, for that matter).
Wow, I haven't thought about Mad Monster Party since I was a kid. Thanks, it will definitely be on my list!
Chad
09-04-08, 11:36 AM
can i go ahead and get a ruling on THE HAPPENING as being a horror movie or not. i'm not looking for anyone's opinion on the movie (i've seen it) just whether or not it will be considered for this challenge.
I don't see why not. Even though the IMDB lists its genre as being only Drama & Mystery, I've heard the terms "horror suspense" and "apocalyptic horror film" thrown around quite a bit. And feel free to disagree as I haven't actually seen it myself.
Darkgod
09-04-08, 08:31 PM
I finally checked out those open domain movies and IM pretty shocked that Deep red is one. Good little flick.
LickTheABCs
09-04-08, 08:47 PM
Count me in. Fo' sho'.
Chad
09-04-08, 09:17 PM
Oh, come on already! My head is about to explode here! You can't tell me that after 3 days of existence no one here has gotten the reference to a certain entertainment program ...on the first page... of this thread?? It's blatantly obvious people! :brickwl2:
What is this reference in question and where exactly does it comes from? Be specific.
It's literally jumping off the page and saying "Pick me, I'm here for a reason! I have a purpose"! as we speak!
RobCA
09-04-08, 09:44 PM
Isn't it possible some folks got the reference, and just didn't mention it?
Not me, I have no idea what you're talking about. Just sayin' is all. :)
Rob
NoirFan
09-04-08, 09:52 PM
I have no idea what you're talking about either, but I was pleased to see Coffin Joe chillin' in the top banner.
Chad
09-04-08, 10:06 PM
Isn't it possible some folks got the reference, and just didn't mention it?
Not me, I have no idea what you're talking about. Just sayin' is all. :)
Rob
Yeah, I suppose that's possible. I'm going to watch "Elevator to the Gallows" now and check back afterwards before hitting the hay. Surely by then.....
I have no idea what you're talking about either, but I was pleased to see Coffin Joe chillin' in the top banner.
Thanks. I was going for an International feel this year.
Definitely gonna break out the coffin next month and catch the first two. :up:
NoirFan
09-04-08, 10:20 PM
Defintely gonna break out the coffin next month and catch the first two. :up:
No Awakening of the Beast? One of the most bizarre films of the late 60's, and that's saying something. Have you seen any of the interview featurettes? Jose Mojica Marins is still sporting the insanely long fingernails. That coffin is a serious collectors item now - the lowest price edition on Amazon is $128.67!
Chad
09-05-08, 12:36 AM
Still no clues as to what the reference is. :( Oh well, maybe tomorrow.
No Awakening of the Beast? One of the most bizarre films of the late 60's, and that's saying something. Have you seen any of the interview featurettes? Jose Mojica Marins is still sporting the insanely long fingernails. That coffin is a serious collectors item now - the lowest price edition on Amazon is $128.67!
Bizarre is definitely the word. I'll probably watch it separate from the others since it doesn't follow the same storyline.
Apparently he was saving the fingernails for "Embodiment of Evil" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0923683):
Embodiment of Evil (Original title: Encarnação do Demônio) is a 2008 Brazilian horror film by Brazilian film director José Mojica Marins. Marins is also known by his alter ego Zé do Caixão (Eng: Coffin Joe). It is the third installment of his Coffin Joe trilogy. It is preceded by At Midnight I'll Take Your Soul (1963) and This Night I Will Possess Your Corpse (1967).
I'd heard talk about a new one, but had absolutely no idea it was coming out this year!
The Monkees
09-05-08, 12:49 AM
There is a theater somewhat nearby that is showing this the weekend before Halloween. I might check it out. I don't know if this is a 35mm print or just the DVD projected on the big screen.
If I don't make it there, I can always watch my DVD. :)
Really? Where? I live in Chicago as well.
Jeffy Pop
09-05-08, 07:14 AM
Oh, come on already! My head is about to explode here! You can't tell me that after 3 days of existence no one here has gotten the reference to a certain entertainment program ...on the first page... of this thread?? It's blatantly obvious people! :brickwl2:
What is this reference in question and where exactly does it comes from? Be specific.
It's literally jumping off the page and saying "Pick me, I'm here for a reason! I have a purpose"! as we speak!
I Googled it, but since I've never seen that show, I'll leave it for someone else.
Unless there's some kind of prize involved. :)
Darth Maher
09-05-08, 09:09 AM
Really? Where? I live in Chicago as well.
The Wilmette Theatre (http://www.wilmettetheatre.com/) is having a family friendly party and Mad Monster Party is the film that is playing. I asked and they are indeed showing the DVD, not a 35mm print. Apparently, the distributer didn't have one available.
I'll probably still check it out.
Darth Maher
09-05-08, 09:14 AM
I Googled it, but since I've never seen that show, I'll leave it for someone else.
Unless there's some kind of prize involved. :)
Same here. :)
The Monkees
09-05-08, 01:28 PM
The Wilmette Theatre (http://www.wilmettetheatre.com/) is having a family friendly party and Mad Monster Party is the film that is playing. I asked and they are indeed showing the DVD, not a 35mm print. Apparently, the distributer didn't have one available.
I'll probably still check it out.
Cool! Thanks!
Chad
09-05-08, 06:30 PM
I Googled it, but since I've never seen that show, I'll leave it for someone else.
Unless there's some kind of prize involved. :)
Not much really, just a 6-pack of new & sealed Criterion horrors: The Blob, Flesh for Frankenstein, Carnival of Souls, Jigoku, Videodrome and Vampyr.
Alright, I've pretty much milked it for all it's worth...
The same film can't be viewed more than once. Remakes are the exception to the rule. In other words, don't go back and watch the theatrical version of "Pale English Titty Vampires Part III: The Anemic Areola" after already having viewed "Pale English Titty Vampires Part III: The Anemic Areola SPF 666 Edition".
It's taken from a Dexter Season 2 quote:
Deb refers to Lila as "Gross. And Pale. And nobody is pale in Miami ...she is obviously a vampire. A gross English TITTY vampire."
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Deb describes Lila as "Gross. And Pale. And nobody is pale in Miami ... she is obviously a vampire, a gross English TITTY vampire.="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
Probably should have thrown in "gross" somewhere for good measure.
You didn't think it was purely for shock value, did you? Everything serves a purpose here. :D
And $20 says due to the show's popularity, a variation of that title will someday become reality as a direct-to-DVD title. It'll star Debbie Rochon, Tiffany Shepis and Christa Campbell all doing horrible British accents.
Darth Maher
09-06-08, 11:30 PM
I just figured that it was an inside joke that I didn't get.
The Monkees
09-07-08, 01:57 AM
Well here is my list of horror movies that I own, it's almost complete I think there may be a few I left out, but I also included the run times according to DVDSpot and Imdb.
13 Ghosts (1960) 1 hour 25 minutes
2001 Maniacs (2005) 1 hour 27 minutes
Abominable Dr. Phibes, The (1971) 1 hour 34 minutes
Amityville Horror, The (2005) 1 hour 30 minutes
April Fool’s Day (1986) 1 hour 29 minutes
Army of Darkness (1992) 1 hour 36 minutes
Atomic Brain, The (1964) 1 hour 4 minutes
Basket Case 2 (1990) 1 hour 30 minutes
Bat, The (1959) 1 hour 20 minutes
Beyond Re-Animator (2003) 1 hour 36 minutes
Birds, The (1963) 1 hour 59 minutes
Black Christmas (1974) 1 hour 38 minutes
Black Christmas (2006) 1 hour 34 minutes
Blair Witch Project, The (1999) 1 hour 26 minutes
Blob, The (1958) 1 hour 22 minutes
Blob, The (1988) 1 hour 35 minutes
Brain Damage (1988) 1 hour 26 minutes
Brain That Wouldn’t Die, The (1962) 1 hour 22 minutes or 1 hour 10 minutes (not sure)
Bride of Chucky (1998) 1 hour 29 minutes
Bride of Frankenstein (1935) 1 hour 15 minutes
Bride of Re-Animator (1990) 1 hour 36 minutes
Cannibal Holocaust (1980) 1 hour 35 minutes
Carnival of Souls (1962) 1 hour 18 minutes
Child’s Play (1988) 1 hour 27 minutes
Child’s Play 2 (1990) 1 hour 24 minutes
Child’s Play 3 (1991) 1 hour 30 minutes
Chiller (1985) 1 hour 44 minutes
Chopping Mall (1986) 1 hour 17 minutes
Citizen Toxie: The Toxic Avenger IV (1999) 1 hour 39 minutes
Class of Nuke Em High (1986) 1 hour 25 minutes
Class of Nuke Em High Part II: Subhumanoid Meltdown (1991) 1 hour 30 minutes
Class of Nuke Em High 3: The Good, the Bad and the Subhumanoid (1994) 1 hour 42 minutes
Creature from the Black Lagoon (1954) 1 hour 19 minutes
Creature Walks Among Us, The (1956) 1 hour 18 minutes
Creepshow (1982) 2 hours
Curse of the Fly (1965) 1 hour 26 minutes
Curse of the Puppet Master (1998) 1 hour 30 minutes
Cursed (2005) 1 hour 37 minutes
Dawn of the Dead (1978) 2 hours 8 minutes
Day of the Dead (1985) 1 hour 42 minutes
Deadly Friend (1986) 1 hour 31 minutes
Dentist, The (1996) 1 hour 32 minutes
Dentist 2: Brace Yourself, The (1998) 1 hour 40 minutes
Devil’s Rejects, The (2005) 1 hour 49 minutes
Don’t Look in the Basement (1973) 1 hour 29 minutes
Dr. Giggles (1992) 1 hour 35 minutes
Dr. Phibes Rises Again (1972) 1 hour 29 minutes
Dracula (1931) 1 hour 15 minutes
Dracula (1931) (Spanish Version) 1 hour 44 minutes
Dracula 2000 (2000) 1 hour 39 minutes
Dracula II: Ascension (2003) 1 hour 25 minutes
Dracula’s Daughter (1936) 1 hour 11 minutes
Elvira: Mistress of the Dark (1988) 1 hour 36 minutes
Evil Dead, The (1982) 1 hour 25 minutes
Evil Dead II (1987) 1 hour 25 minutes
Exorcism of Emily Rose, The (2005) 2 hours 2 minutes
Exorcist, The (1973) 2 hours 2 minutes
Eyes of a Stranger (1981) 1 hour 24 minutes
Faculty, The (1998) 1 hour 44 minutes
Fall of the House of Usher, The (1960) 1 hour 20 minutes
Final Destination (2000) 1 hour 38 minutes
Final Destination 2 (2003) 1 hour 31 minutes
Final Destination 3 (2006) 1 hour 33 minutes
Fly, The (1958) 1 hour 34 minutes
Fly, The (1986) 1 hour 35 minutes
Fly II, The (1989) 1 hour 45 minutes
Fog, The (1980) 1 hour 30 minutes
Fog, The (2005) 1 hour 43 minutes
Frankenstein (1931) 1 hour 11 minutes
Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man (1943) 1 hour 14 minutes
Freaks (1932) 1 hour 2 minutes
Freddy vs. Jason (2003) 1 hour 38 minutes
Freddy’s Dead: The Final Nightmare (1991) 1 hour 37 minutes
Friday the 13th (1980) 1 hour 32 minutes
Friday the 13th Part 2 (1981) 1 hour 27 minutes
Friday the 13th Part 3 (1982) 1 hour 35 minutes
Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter (1984) 1 hour 30 minutes
Friday the 13th Part V: A New Beginning (1985) 1 hour 32 minutes
Friday the 13th Part VI: Jason Lives (1986) 1 hour 26 minutes
Friday the 13th Part VII: The New Blood (1988) 1 hour 30 minutes
Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan (1989) 1 hour 40 minutes
Frighteners, The (1996) 2 hours 3 minutes
From Beyond (1986) 1 hour 25 minutes
From Beyond the Grave (1973) 1 hour 37 minutes
From Dusk Till Dawn (1996) 1 hour 48 minutes
Ghost of Frankenstein (1942) 1 hour 7 minutes
Ghoulies IV (1994) 1 hour 24 minutes
Ginger Snaps (2000) 1 hour 48 minutes
Ginger Snaps 2: Unleashed (2004) 1 hour 34 minutes
Ginger Snaps Back: The Beginning (2004) 1 hour 34 minutes
Graduation Day (1981) 1 hour 30 minutes
Halloween (1978) 1 hour 31 minutes
Halloween (2007) 2 hours 1 minute
Halloween II (1981) 1 hour 33 minutes
Halloween 4: The Return of Michael Myers (1988) 1 hour 28 minutes
Halloween 5: The Revenge of Michael Myers (1989) 1 hour 37 minutes
Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers (1995) 1 hour 28 minutes
Halloween H20: Twenty Years Later (1998) 1 hour 26 minutes
Halloween: Resurrection (2002) 1 hour 29 minutes
Hand, The (1981) 1 hour 44 minutes
Hannibal (2001) 2 hours 11 minutes
Hatchet Murders, The (1975) 1 hour 38 minutes
Haunted Palace, The (1963) 1 hour 27 minutes
Haunting, The (1999) 1 hour 53 minutes
He Knows You’re Alone (1980) 1 hour 34 minutes
Hello Mary Lou: Prom Night II (1987) 1 hour 37 minutes
Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer (1986) 1 hour 23 minutes
Hills Have Eyes, The (1977) 1 hour 29 minutes
Hills Have Eyes, The (2006) 1 hour 48 minutes
Hills Have Eyes Part 2, The (1985) 1 hour 27 minutes
Howling IV: The Original Nightmare, The (1988) 1 hour 34 minutes
Hollow Man: Director’s Cut (2000) 1 hour 59 minutes
House of 1000 Corpses (2003) 1 hour 28 minutes
House of Dracula (1945) 1 hour 7 minutes
House of Frankenstein (1944) 1 hour 11 minutes
House of Wax (1953) 1 hour 30 minutes
House on Haunted Hill (1959) 1 hour 15 minutes
House on Haunted Hill (1999) 1 hour 33 minutes
House on Sorority Row, The (1983) 1 hour 32 minutes
I Know What You Did Last Summer (1997) 1 hour 41 minutes
I Spit on Your Grave (1978) 1 hour 40 minutes
I Still Know What You Did Last Summer (1998) 1 hour 40 minutes
Invisible Agent, The (1942) 1 hour 21 minutes
Invisible Man, The (1933) 1 hour 11 minutes
Invisible Man Returns, The (1940) 1 hour 21 minutes
Invisible Man’s Revenge, The (1944) 1 hour 18 minutes
Invisible Woman, The (1940) 1 hour 12 minutes
It (1990) 3 hours 7 minutes
Jason Goes to Hell: The Final Friday (1993) 1 hour 31 minutes
Jason X (2001) 1 hour 33 minutes
Jaws (1975) 2 hours 4 minutes
Katie Bird *Certifiable Crazy Person (2005) 1 hour 40 minutes
Land of the Dead (2005) 1 hour 37 minutes
Last House on the Left, The (1972) 1 hour 24 minutes
Leatherface: The Texas Chainsaw Massacre III (1990) 1 hour 26 minutes
Leprechaun (1993) 1 hour 32 minutes
Leprechaun 2 (1994) 1 hour 25 minutes
Leprechaun 3 (1995) 1 hour 30 minutes
Madhouse (1974) 1 hour 29 minutes
Mummy, The (1932) 1 hour 13 minutes
Mummy’s Curse, The (1944) 1 hour 2 minutes
Mummy’s Ghost, The (1944) 1 hour 1 minute
Mummy’s Hand, The (1940) 1 hour 7 minutes
Mummy’s Tomb, The (1942) 1 hour
Mystery of the Wax Museum (1933) 1 hour 17 minutes
Nail Gun Massacre, The (1985) 1 hour 30 minutes
Night of the Living Dead (1968) 1 hour 36 minutes
Night of the Living Dead (1990) 1 hour 32 minutes
Night Tide (1961) 1 hour 24 minutes
Nightmare on Elm Street, A (1984) 1 hour 32 minutes
Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy’s Revenge, A (1985) 1 hour 27 minutes
Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors, A (1987) 1 hour 36 minutes
Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master, A (1988) 1 hour 39 minutes
Nightmare on Elm Street 5: The Dream Child, A (1989) 1 hour 29 minutes
Nosferatu (1922) 1 hour 34 minutes
Nurse, The (1997) 1 hour 34 minutes
Omen, The (1976) 1 hour 51 minutes
Others, The (2001) 1 hour 44 minutes
P2 (2007) 1 hour 38 minutes
People Under the Stairs, The (1991) 1 hour 43 minutes
Pet Sematary (1989) 1 hour 43 minutes
Pet Sematary Two (1992) 1 hour 40 minutes
Phantasm (1979) 1 hour 28 minutes
Phantasm II (1988) 1 hour 37 minutes
Phantasm III: Lord of the Dead (1994) 1 hour 31 minutes
Phantasm IV: Oblivion (1998) 1 hour 30 minutes
Pieces (1983) 1 hour 30 minutes
Pit and the Pendulum, The (1961) 1 hour 20 minutes
Planet Terror (2007) 1 hour 45 minutes
Poltergeist (1982) 1 hour 54 minutes
Poltergeist II: The Other Side (1986) 1 hour 31 minutes
Poltergeist III (1988) 1 hour 38 minutes
Prom Night (1980) 1 hour 30 minutes
Prom Night III: The Last Kiss (1990) 1 hour 37 minutes
Prom Night IV: Deliver Us from Evil (1992) 1 hour 32 minutes
Prowler, The (1981) 1 hour 28 minutes
Psycho (1960) 1 hour 49 minutes
Psycho (1998) 1 hour 44 minutes
Psycho II (1983) 1 hour 53 minutes
Psycho III (1986) 1 hour 33 minutes
Psycho IV: The Beginning (1990) 1 hour 36 minutes
Pumpkinhead II: Blood Wings (1994) 1 hour 28 minutes
Puppet Master (1989) 1 hour 30 minutes
Puppet Master II (1991) 1 hour 28 minutes
Puppet Master III: Toulon’s Revenge (1991) 1 hour 26 minutes
Puppet Master 4 (1993) 1 hour 19 minutes
Puppet Master 5: The Final Chapter (1994) 1 hour 22 minutes
Re-Animator (1985) 1 hour 26 minutes
Resident Evil (2002) 1 hour 41 minutes
Retro Puppet Master (1998)
Return of the Fly (1959) 1 hour 20 minutes
Return of the Killer Tomatoes (1988) 1 hour 38 minutes
Return of the Living Dead (1985) 1 hour 31 minutes
Return of the Living Dead Part 2 (1988) 1 hour 29 minutes
Return to Horror High (1987) 1 hour 35 minutes
Return to House on Haunted Hill (2007) 1 hour 21 minutes
Revenge of the Creature (1955) 1 hour 22 minutes
Saw (2004) 1 hour 43 minutes
Saw II (2005) 1 hour 35 minutes
Saw III (2006) 1 hour 54 minutes
Scanners (1981) 1 hour 43 minutes
Scream (1996) 1 hour 51 minutes
Scream 2 (1997) 2 hours
Scream 3 (2000) 1 hour 56 minutes
Season of the Witch (1972) 1 hour 39 minutes
Seed of Chucky (2005) 1 hour 28 minutes
Serpent & the Rainbow, The (1988) 1 hour 38 minutes
Shadow of the Vampire (2000) 1 hour 33 minutes
She-Wolf of London (1946) 1 hour 1 minute
Shining, The (1980) 2 hours 24 minutes
Shocker (1989) 1 hour 50 minutes
Silent Night, Deadly Night (1984) 1 hour 25 minutes
Silent Night, Deadly Night Part (1987) 1 hour 28 minutes
Sisters of Death (1978) 1 hour 27 minutes
Skeleton Man (2004) 1 hour 29 minutes
Sleepaway Camp (1983) 1 hour 24 minutes
Sleepaway Camp II: Unhappy Campers (1988) 1 hour 20 minutes
Sleepaway Camp III: Teenage Wasteland (1989) 1 hour 20 minutes
Sleepy Hollow (1999) 1 hour 45 minutes
Someone’s Watching Me! (1978) 1 hour 37 minutes
Son of Dracula (1943) 1 hour 20 minutes
Son of Frankenstein (1939) 1 hour 39 minutes
Splatter University (1984) 1 hour 18 minutes
Summer of Fear (1978) 1 hour 39 minutes
Suspiria (1977) 1 hour 38 minutes
Swamp Thing (1982) 1 hour 31 minutes
Tales of Terror (1962) 1 hour 29 minutes
Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The (1974) 1 hour 24 minutes
Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The (2003) 1 hour 38 minutes
Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2, The (1986) 1 hour 41 minutes
Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Next Generation, The (1994) 1 hour 34 minutes
Theater of Blood (1973) 1 hour 44 minutes
Thirteen Ghosts (2001) 1 hour 31 minutes
Tingler, The (1959) 1 hour 22 minutes
Tower of London (1962) 1 hour 19 minutes
Toxic Avenger, The (1985) 1 hour 50 minutes
Toxic Avenger Part II, The (1989) 1 hour 36 minutes
Toxic Avenger Part III: The Last Temptation of Toxie, The (1989) 1 hour 42 minutes
Transylvania 6-5000 (1985) 1 hour 33 minutes
Tremors (1990) 1 hour 35 minutes
Tremors 2: Aftershocks (1996) 1 hour 40 minutes
Tremors 3: Back to Perfection (2001) 1 hour 44 minutes
Twice Told Tales (1963) 2 hours
Two Thousand Maniacs! (1964) 1 hour 23 minutes
Urban Legend (1998) 1 hour 40 minutes
Valentine (2001) 1 hour 36 minutes
Vamp (1986) 1 hour 33 minutes
Vampire in Brooklyn (1995) 1 hour 42 minutes
Vampire Wars: Battle for the Universe (2005) 1 hour 39 minutes
Werewolf of London (1935) 1 hour 15 minutes
Wes Craven’s New Nightmare (1994) 1 hour 52 minutes
Willard (2003) 1 hour 40 minutes
Wishmaster (1997) 1 hour 30 minutes
Wishmaster 2: Evil Never Dies (1999) 1 hour 36 minutes
Witchfinder General (1968) 1 hour 26 minutes
Wolf Man, The (1941) 1 hour 10 minutes
Wrestlemaniac (2006) 1 hour 15 minutes
Wrong Turn (2003) 1 hour 24 minutes
Mister Peepers
09-07-08, 10:48 AM
Someone like their sequels. No Toxic Avenget 4?
The Monkees
09-07-08, 02:06 PM
Someone like their sequels. No Toxic Avenget 4?
It's in there, under Citizen Toxie.
Chad
09-07-08, 04:32 PM
I just figured that it was an inside joke that I didn't get.
Apparently no one got it because the thread came to a screeching halt after I posted the answer. That, or there just aren't many Dexter fans in here. :D
Bat, The (1959) 1 hour 20 minutes
That's one of the few Vincent Price films I haven't seen. And I was considering purchasing the Anchor Bay version until realizing it was OOP and going for up to $144.99 new on Amazon Marketplace! :eek: And it's in the public domain!
What is the best version currently available, anyway?
NoirFan
09-07-08, 05:00 PM
According to DVDAf I own 198 horror films, though I'm going to try to focus primarily on first time viewings. Between (*ahem* public domain) torrents and Netflix, I have around 84 unwatched films to viddy, not including the 22 film Hammer set.
RobCA
09-07-08, 05:18 PM
Apparently no one got it because the thread came to a screeching halt after I posted the answer. That, or there just aren't many Dexter fans in here. :D I am, but I haven't seen Season 2 yet. I'll be buying it at Target when it goes on sale the 14th, looking forward to finally watching it!
Rob
poster mayhem
09-08-08, 12:55 AM
I want a clearer definition on what documentaries are viable. Most of the legacy sets from Universal include informative docs that are at or above the 42 minute mark and aren't fluff.
What about something like American Movie an alleged documentary about the making of a short horror film?
I just want this to be clear up front.
The Monkees
09-08-08, 01:11 AM
I forgot to mention that I have about 4 documentaries on the making of films:
The Alien Saga
Going to Pieces: The Rise & Fall of the Slasher Film
Halloween: 25 Years of Terror
The Omen Legacy
NoirFan
09-08-08, 01:13 AM
I want a clearer definition on what documentaries are viable. Most of the legacy sets from Universal include informative docs that are at or above the 42 minute mark and aren't fluff.
What about something like American Movie an alleged documentary about the making of a short horror film?
I just want this to be clear up front.
I thought 60 minutes was the agreed upon minimal running time? Personally, like commentary tracks, I don't believe documentaries should be included at all, though if they are, I may get around to watching the full-length doc included with The Exorcist.
Darth Maher
09-08-08, 10:02 AM
I thought 60 minutes was the agreed upon minimal running time? Personally, like commentary tracks, I don't believe documentaries should be included at all, though if they are, I may get around to watching the full-length doc included with The Exorcist.
Looks like those docs on the Poltergeist 25th Anniversary DVD might actually be good for something after all... :)
Anybody know the run time?
The Monkees
09-08-08, 10:02 AM
I thought 60 minutes was the agreed upon minimal running time? Personally, like commentary tracks, I don't believe documentaries should be included at all, though if they are, I may get around to watching the full-length doc included with The Exorcist.
I think on the first page it was stated as 40 minutes being the minimal running time.
RobCA
09-08-08, 10:28 AM
The only documentary I watched last year was The Omen Legacy. I didn't know the docs on the Universal Legacy Collections counted... assuming they do, of course. If so, it'll give me a good excuse to finally watch them.
Rob
edwardnortonfan
09-08-08, 12:17 PM
I'm in, and I'd like to share with anyone who doesn't know, this is how I've been catching a lot of films of late: http://www.watch-movies.net
edtheripper was kind enough to get me Demons and Demons 2 today for my birthday, so I'll be incorporating those into my challenge. :-p
Dimension X
09-08-08, 09:20 PM
I was looking around Hulu earlier tonight and saw that they have some episodes of Elvira's Movie Macabre (http://www.hulu.com/elviras-movie-macabre) from the early '80s.
Aside from the two sci-fi films, They Came From Beyond Space and The Doomsday Machine, I assume these will count since they're movies with host segments interspersed here and there.
NoirFan
09-08-08, 10:25 PM
Blue Sunshine!
Pizza
09-08-08, 11:41 PM
As much as I love horror films I don't know why I've resisted participating in this event in the past but I'll bite for this year. One question: Where are you posting the lists that you're linking in your signatures? Any help would be appreciated.
Trevor
09-08-08, 11:49 PM
As much as I love horror films I don't know why I've resisted participating in this event in the past but I'll bite for this year. One question: Where are you posting the lists that you're linking in your signatures? Any help would be appreciated.
Those are from last year's separate list thread. Chad will post a list thread for this year a week or so before October 1st.
caligulathegod
09-09-08, 07:09 AM
I thought we were going to drop the Docs this year and go with a 60 minute minimum? There are barely a handful of sub 60 minute feature films, other than a few poverty row quickies that are missing footage, so there is no real reason to even have a 40 minute rule. It's an archaic rule that makes no sense in any context. The "Academy" would NEVER seriously consider a 45 minute film for any feature award. The rule is actually there to define a short film as one less than 40 minutes rather than truly define a feature.
The 40 minute rule combined with allowing documentaries allows in all DVD extra docs and A&E Biographies we were trying to avoid. Some may not think the Universal docs aren't "fluff", but at under an hour, they are technically fluff.
Honestly, we haven't made change one from last year or the year before. Voting doesn't work because no one is willing to make things more challenging or break with the status quo. More people are voluntarily skipping commentaries this year, which is very good to hear, but there's always too much FUD to actually shake things up. No disrespect intended to the other challenges, but this is the premiere movie challenge and it should be held to a higher standard. 100 Horror Movies in the month of October. Then let it be just that. No Docs, no commentaries, no TV, no BS. We all know what a real movie is, so we don't need to keep trying to find loopholes and exceptions. This isn't about trying to get the most movies on your list. It's an excuse to watch a bunch of Horror movies in the Horror month. The list is just a goal, not an ends.
Shack
09-09-08, 08:15 AM
The 40 minute rule combined with allowing documentaries allows in all DVD extra docs and A&E Biographies we were trying to avoid. Some may not think the Universal docs aren't "fluff", but at under an hour, they are technically fluff.
If we do allow documentaries, they should be stand-alones rather than DVD extras.
More people are voluntarily skipping commentaries this year, which is very good to hear, but there's always too much FUD to actually shake things up.
FUD?
We all know what a real movie is, so we don't need to keep trying to find loopholes and exceptions. This isn't about trying to get the most movies on your list. It's an excuse to watch a bunch of Horror movies in the Horror month. The list is just a goal, not an ends.
Agreed.
caligulathegod
09-09-08, 08:24 AM
Fear Uncertainty Doubt FUD
Numes
09-09-08, 08:47 AM
I, too, was under the impression that the time requirement was bumped to 60 minutes. It really doesn't affect me since all the Horror movies I own are way more than 60 minutes anyways, but I thought that was a done deal in the other thread.
Edit: Just to clarify, I don't care one way or the other, I just was pointing out that I thought it had been changed.
riotinmyskull
09-09-08, 08:54 AM
well what about masters of horror episodes...they run around 55 minutes and i still feel they should be able to count.
Darth Maher
09-09-08, 09:38 AM
No disrespect intended to the other challenges, but this is the premiere movie challenge and it should be held to a higher standard. 100 Horror Movies in the month of October. Then let it be just that. No Docs, no commentaries, no TV, no BS.
I'm not trying to start an argument here, but why do we hold the "standards" for this challenge so sacred as opposed to other challenges? There are almost as many Halloween specials as there are Christmas specials nowadays. To exclude them kind of takes the fun out of it... for me anyway.
As I've stated before, I'll go with whatever the majority agrees upon. But you mentioned that nobody wants to "break the status quo" so I thought I'd voice my opinion in case others felt the same way as I do. If not, so be it...
Trevor
09-09-08, 10:13 AM
Relax people! There are only a handful of 40-60 minute movies. Why care if someone watches a few of them? It's not a contest, it's a challenge. Let people watch what they want to watch.
SpaceBoy
09-09-08, 11:27 AM
Chad
I'm willing to donate a few of my lightly used horror movies to a randomly selected participant like I did last year. Not sure what I'll send out, but last year I had 3 I was dying to give away (don't remember who you had me send those to)
Let me know.
FusionX
09-09-08, 02:42 PM
I'll be back this year, I am however skipping the Masters of Horror, documentaries, and what have you. I'm sticking with feature length horror films until I can take no more. I doubt I will match last year's run, but I will hit 100 for sure with a wishful thinking goal of over 200.
edwardnortonfan
09-09-08, 03:05 PM
I'm willing to donate some gently used movies as well.
NoirFan
09-09-08, 04:43 PM
Relax people! There are only a handful of 40-60 minute movies. Why care if someone watches a few of them?
While there may only be a handful of 40-60 minute movies, there are an endless number of 40-60 minute featurettes, which should not be included, as they are simply not movies, period. Making the required minimum length be one hour would eliminate any possible argument or controversy during the challenge regarding which films can or cannot be included. It would be a moot point, and one less bone of contention between participants. Setting the length at one hour would make any future disagreements about featurettes, tv shows, Masters of Horror episodes, etc. utterly nonexistent.
edwardnortonfan
09-09-08, 04:56 PM
My only problem with he length limit is that it would exclude Nosferatu and Les Vampires, and those are two awesome movies that everyone should try to watch, but they're under 60 minutes.
caligulathegod
09-09-08, 05:15 PM
What Nosferatu are you watching? Mine is 82 minutes for the Image and 94 for the Kino. Also, Les Vampires is something like 6 hours long, if you are talking about the silent.
NoirFan
09-09-08, 05:25 PM
What Nosferatu are you watching?
He probably has some butchered public domain monstrosity with a metal/goth soundtrack, there are unfortunately several of those floating around.
Also, Les Vampires is something like 6 hours long, if you are talking about the silent.
It also has nothing to do with vampires. If he means "Lez Vampires", as in sleazemaster Jesus Franco's Vampiros Lesbos, that's way over an hour as well.
Chad
09-09-08, 06:09 PM
I want a clearer definition on what documentaries are viable. Most of the legacy sets from Universal include informative docs that are at or above the 42 minute mark and aren't fluff.
What about something like American Movie an alleged documentary about the making of a short horror film?
I just want this to be clear up front.
Basically a stand-alone documentary that isn't a featurette produced exclusively for a film's DVD as supplemental material ...if that makes any sense. American movie wouldn't qualify because the making of Coven is not the primary focus of the documentary - it's more about Mark Borchardt's life and struggle to become an independent filmmaker.
caligulathegod
09-09-08, 06:13 PM
I'm not trying to start an argument here, but why do we hold the "standards" for this challenge so sacred as opposed to other challenges? There are almost as many Halloween specials as there are Christmas specials nowadays. To exclude them kind of takes the fun out of it... for me anyway.
As I've stated before, I'll go with whatever the majority agrees upon. But you mentioned that nobody wants to "break the status quo" so I thought I'd voice my opinion in case others felt the same way as I do. If not, so be it...
The other challenges aren't as well represented theatrically as Horror and need all the help they can get. Holiday is mostly TV and shorts, really. It's also more nebulous, since it's any film that takes place during a holiday, whether or not it is intrinsic to the plot. Oscar challenge should really be all features, but short films apparently count since they win Oscars, too. Sci Fi is well represented, but it's also intrinsically tied to television. When you say Sci Fi, the first image that pops into everyone's head is Star Trek. There's just too much SF TV to justify an outright ban. Plus, there's almost a geek factor that requires something as obsessive as watching whole seasons as part of a challenge. Horror TV doesn't have the same cachet. Even when there is a Horror TV show, it's usually anthology type shows, with a few notable exceptions. Why not keep Horror pure?
Chad
09-09-08, 06:31 PM
I thought we were going to drop the Docs this year and go with a 60 minute minimum? There are barely a handful of sub 60 minute feature films, other than a few poverty row quickies that are missing footage, so there is no real reason to even have a 40 minute rule. It's an archaic rule that makes no sense in any context. The "Academy" would NEVER seriously consider a 45 minute film for any feature award. The rule is actually there to define a short film as one less than 40 minutes rather than truly define a feature.
I honestly don't recall us officially deciding on anything. And I don't necessarily disagree with you that the 40-minute rule is a bit outdated by today's standards, but that's what's there and it's something to refer to.
Besides, the fact remains that their are some under 60-minute horror films. For example, 1943's The Mysterious Doctor ( http://www.allmovie.com/cg/avg.dll?p=avg&sql=1:103459) clocks in at 57 minutes. Why exclude those films even if there are just a handful?
And, of course, you've forced me to bring up MOH. Showtime's website even describes them as such:
Watch the Masters of Horror on Showtime - movies directed by horror film legends like Brad Anderson, Ernest Dickerson, Tom Holland, Dario Argento, ...
Don't want to reignite that debate, but agree or not, I don't see a reason to deny anyone that chance.
well what about masters of horror episodes...they run around 55 minutes and i still feel they should be able to count.
There you go. Why deny this man the chance to see his MOH? I see absolutely no reason.
caligulathegod
09-09-08, 06:39 PM
Ok, then. 55 minutes accomplishes about the same thing as 60 minutes. It knocks out featurettes and simplifies the rules. The thing is, I've never heard anyone really praise MOH. It's always left-handed compliments when it does get something positive said about it.
Chad
09-09-08, 06:48 PM
Chad
I'm willing to donate a few of my lightly used horror movies to a randomly selected participant like I did last year. Not sure what I'll send out, but last year I had 3 I was dying to give away (don't remember who you had me send those to)
Let me know.
I'm willing to donate some gently used movies as well.
Thank you both! Just please hold tight for another day because I was planning on bringing up the prize situation tomorrow. :up:
gryffinmaster
09-09-08, 09:12 PM
Guys, are we counting Elephant Man and Perfume?
poster mayhem
09-09-08, 10:18 PM
I asked for a clarification to be clear, personally...
I'm fine with a month of no commentaries or documentaries (or if I choose to watch them they're on my time, not a part of the challenge).
I just wanted some clarification. I wasn't sure what counted as a horror doc.
The concept that the doc must be released on it's own and is not a part of a DVD package makes perfect sense to me. It's the same argument that I make in favor of Masters of Horror vs. Buffy, etc.
Mister Peepers
09-09-08, 11:04 PM
So what 40 - 59 minute movies upsets enough people so we can't watch them? If they're movies and they're horror, I don't see what the problem is. Just because there aren't a lot of them doesn't mean we should automatically disqualify them. They're horror movies and this is a horror movie challenge. If someone doesn't want to watch them then don't, someone else might.
caligulathegod
09-09-08, 11:18 PM
Remember, you can use your Wild Card for non-conforming material.
Trevor
09-09-08, 11:36 PM
So what 40 - 59 minute movies upsets enough people so we can't watch them? If they're movies and they're horror, I don't see what the problem is. Just because there aren't a lot of them doesn't mean we should automatically disqualify them. They're horror movies and this is a horror movie challenge. If someone doesn't want to watch them then don't, someone else might.
Agreed. 40 minutes is fine. Movies only, no documentaries unless they are separately released.
Surfinhank
09-09-08, 11:39 PM
I did this challenge for the first time last year and had a blast. I could care less about winning (or the prizes). I'm starting to pull things out to watch this year and I'm noticing I have a lot of TV series that are horror related that I'd love to watch (Blade, Masters of Horror, American Gothic, Forever Knight, etc). Are people going to freak out and ban me from the forum if I put more than the 3 "allowed" so-called wild card titles on my list?
NoirFan
09-09-08, 11:42 PM
I did this challenge for the first time last year and had a blast. I could care less about winning (or the prizes). I'm starting to pull things out to watch this year and I'm noticing I have a lot of TV series that are horror related that I'd love to watch (Blade, Masters of Horror, American Gothic, Forever Knight, etc). Are people going to freak out and ban me from the forum if I put more than the 3 "allowed" so-called wild card titles on my list?
Feel free to put them on your list, just don't count them as part of your total.
caligulathegod
09-10-08, 12:21 AM
Here's the thing, with a 55 minute rule, it allows in legitimate theatrically released films as well as made for video films while excluding shorts and featurettes without encumbering the challenge with a bunch of rules and exceptions. There really is no such thing as a 41 minute feature film other than episodic television. That time limit is included in the rules of the Motion Picture Arts and Sciences as a cut-off for short subjects and is really only a default when it describes features (they only have two categories: shorts under 40 minutes and features). Anything above that approaches feature length and the market takes care of that itself by insisting films be at least an hour (back in the double feature days) and perhaps 70 minutes today (I can't think of a movie in the past 30 years under 70 minutes counting credits), so the Academy doesn't need a specific rule slightly longer films. Some poverty row programmers managed to survive in slightly less than 60 minute prints, but they are the exception rather than the rule. Really, anything that would count will be about 55 minutes, anyway, so it's almost a moot point to have it or not have it. With it just makes the rest easier. Also, we don't have to be strict. If you have a programmer on one of those 50 movie sets that is 53 minutes, go ahead and list it. The rule is meant to be a simple cutoff rather than an absolute law. 55 minutes should allow in MOH while excluding TV shows.
Trevor
09-10-08, 09:00 AM
On the time rule, does anyone have any specific horror films that are less than 55 minutes? I'm sure there are some out there, and if they are horror, and above 40 minutes, they should count. I doubt there are enough of them to bother changing the rule.
konekonoir
09-10-08, 12:35 PM
These films (used a bit loosely) are all between 41 and 54 minutes according to imdb and/or my own notes - both of which may well be wrong.
Blood: The Last Vampire
Boy from Hell / Jigoku Kozo
Call of Cthulhu
Dead Girl Walking
Death Train / Kyofu Ressha
Digital Devil Monogatari Megami Tensei
Down to Hell
Evening of Edgar Allan Poe
Ghost Story for Christmas: The Signalman
Ghost Story for Christmas: The Stalls of Barchester
Ghost Story for Christmas: Treasure of Abbot Thomas
Ghost Story for Christmas: A Warning to the Curious
Guinea Pig: Android of Notre Dame
Guinea Pig: Devil's Experiment
Guinea Pig: Flowers of Flesh and Blood
Guinea Pig: Devil Woman Doctor
Kazuo Umezu's Horror Theater: Death Make
Kazuo Umezu's Horror Theater: Diet
Kazuo Umezu's Horror Theater: House of Bugs
Kazuo Umezu's Horror Theater: Present
Kazuo Umezu's Horror Theater: Snake Girl
Kazuo Umezu's Horror Theater: The Wish
Living Dead Lock Up 2: March of the Dead
Masters of Horror: Incident On and Off a Mountain Road
Mother Tree [Kaidan Chibusu Enoki: Ghost of Chibusu Enoki]
Omnibus: Whistle and I'll Come to You
Shadows in the Dark: The Val Lewton Legacy
Torched
Shack
09-10-08, 12:52 PM
Fear Uncertainty Doubt FUD
Thanks. A useful term to know...
well what about masters of horror episodes...they run around 55 minutes and i still feel they should be able to count.
That's not about length, it's because they are seen as episodes of a series.
Originally Posted by Darth Maher
I'm not trying to start an argument here, but why do we hold the "standards" for this challenge so sacred as opposed to other challenges? There are almost as many Halloween specials as there are Christmas specials nowadays. To exclude them kind of takes the fun out of it... for me anyway.
This is the only challenge which has the word "Movie" in the name, for starters. No one says you can't watch specials, MOH etc. as your wildcards, but the main focus of the Challenge has always been movies.
Trevor
09-10-08, 12:55 PM
And even if there are twice as many as that, and someone watches all of them and counts them, so what?
Watch what you want to watch; enjoy the discussion here; and don't even think about the numbers, "winning", what other people are listing/counting, or if your choices are "more pure" than others.
The Monkees
09-10-08, 01:08 PM
For the documentaries, would the featurettes on the Friday the 13th box set count if you watch them as a whole or not? It's well over an hour long if you watch it as a whole.
Trevor
09-10-08, 01:15 PM
For the documentaries, would the featurettes on the Friday the 13th box set count if you watch them as a whole or not? It's well over an hour long if you watch it as a whole.
I think the consensus/rule is that DVD special features do not count.
For a documentary to count it had to be released as a film separately.
Mister Peepers
09-10-08, 02:25 PM
These films (used a bit loosely) are all between 41 and 54 minutes according to imdb and/or my own notes - both of which may well be wrong.
Blood: The Last Vampire
Boy from Hell / Jigoku Kozo
Call of Cthulhu
Dead Girl Walking
Death Train / Kyofu Ressha
Digital Devil Monogatari Megami Tensei
Down to Hell
Evening of Edgar Allan Poe
Ghost Story for Christmas: The Signalman
Ghost Story for Christmas: The Stalls of Barchester
Ghost Story for Christmas: Treasure of Abbot Thomas
Ghost Story for Christmas: A Warning to the Curious
Guinea Pig: Android of Notre Dame
Guinea Pig: Devil's Experiment
Guinea Pig: Flowers of Flesh and Blood
Guinea Pig: Devil Woman Doctor
Kazuo Umezu's Horror Theater: Death Make
Kazuo Umezu's Horror Theater: Diet
Kazuo Umezu's Horror Theater: House of Bugs
Kazuo Umezu's Horror Theater: Present
Kazuo Umezu's Horror Theater: Snake Girl
Kazuo Umezu's Horror Theater: The Wish
Living Dead Lock Up 2: March of the Dead
Masters of Horror: Incident On and Off a Mountain Road
Mother Tree [Kaidan Chibusu Enoki: Ghost of Chibusu Enoki]
Omnibus: Whistle and I'll Come to You
Shadows in the Dark: The Val Lewton Legacy
Torched
A Candle in the Dark
Misty Mundae Mummy Raider
Death Shock
A Warning to the Curious
Maniac
The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari
Beast of Yucca Flats
Abducted by the Daleks
Ghostbusters vs Freddy
RobCA
09-10-08, 02:27 PM
So, does The Omen Legacy documentary count or not? It's one of the special features on the Omen 2-disc SE, but before that, it was released on DVD separately. I'll probably just count it again like I did last year; since I don't use wild cards, it could always be considered one of those, I guess.
Rob
Trevor
09-10-08, 02:45 PM
So, does The Omen Legacy documentary count or not? It's one of the special features on the Omen 2-disc SE, but before that, it was released on DVD separately. I'll probably just count it again like I did last year; since I don't use wild cards, it could always be considered one of those, I guess.
Rob
I know there has been debate and confusion on documentaries, like to possibly only count documentaries about "horror subjects", and not count documentaries about "horror movies" (i.e. DVD special features often).
Many sort of bridge that gap, as the one you mention above. At first glance, it might appear to be a doc about the movie franchise. But it also focuses a lot on true life stories inspiring the movie/book iirc.
I'm sure people are getting tired of us all simply rehashing our thoughts over and over. It would be simple if we just made it either a Horror "movie" challenge and didn't count anything else, or made it a horror "content" challenge and allowed everything. But I'm sure Chad will make a comfortable middle ground for us all.
The Monkees
09-10-08, 03:19 PM
With the documentaries I understand not counting featurettes but there are some good feature length documentaries that are DVD extras like the documentaries on Psycho, Friday the 13th and Re-Animator, I think that if they are that long they should count regardless of release. A 30-40 minute featurette should not count, but a "feature length" documentary should.
Darth Maher
09-10-08, 04:35 PM
It would be simple if we just made it either a Horror "movie" challenge and didn't count anything else, or made it a horror "content" challenge and allowed everything.
Agreed. A documentary about The Making of Frighteners (as great as it is) is no more a movie than the Buffy Halloween episode.
NoirFan
09-10-08, 05:46 PM
The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari
Caligari (1920) is 74 minutes, the 1962 version is 106 minutes, and the 2005 version is 76 minutes, so I'm not sure where you got that from. During my IMDB search, I stumbled across this (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097228/) Caligari, which looks intriguingly bizarre. Co-scripted by Jerry Stahl too boot. Has anyone seen it? Apparently it's a rarity.
Chad
09-10-08, 08:51 PM
Alright, made a couple of minor changes to the first page:
-Updated the documentary rule to make things a little more clear.
-Added "The Unknown" on 10/26 to the TCM schedule.
Just please hold tight for another day because I was planning on bringing up the prize situation tomorrow. :up:
Sorry, looks like it'll be another day or two.
And don't forget (if you haven't already) to...
Vote for you favorite commentary option:
Half credit option. Allow commentaries only after one has viewed the film with the proper soundtrack. If you do choose to go back and listen w/commentary it's worth half a credit/point.
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7 commentary limit. Self explanatory.
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The "with or without" option. Same as last year.
NoirFan
09-10-08, 10:02 PM
-Added "The Unknown" on 10/26 to the TCM schedule.
Everyone should make it a point to use this as one of their wild cards. A bizarre, sadistic little film with a mesmerizing central performance by Chaney and a very young Joan Crawford in one of her first starring roles.
The Monkees
09-10-08, 10:07 PM
So the new documentary rule is "legitimate stand alone horror documentaries"? So feature length documentaries like those on Re-Animator or Psycho don't count? If that is the case I don't really like that, because they are the same thing as the Hallloween: 25 Years of Terror documentary or the Going to Pieces documentary.
Numes
09-10-08, 10:11 PM
Everyone should make it a point to use this as one of their wild cards. A bizarre, sadistic little film with a mesmerizing central performance by Chaney and a very young Joan Crawford in one of her first starring roles.
If you remember, remind us again when it gets close to the airing so I can set my DVR (I will NEVER remember.)
I looked it up on IMDB and it sounds bizarre and interesting. I don't get the chance very often to watch something from that time period, so this will be good for me. I did wonder, though, why you said use it as one of the wildcards. The running time looks to be 63 minutes.
NoirFan
09-10-08, 10:15 PM
I did wonder, though, why you said use it as one of the wildcards. The running time looks to be 63 minutes.
That's the original theatrical runtime - some of the footage has been lost in the intervening years and the surviving footage totals 47 minutes.
TRC
09-11-08, 12:05 AM
I'd like to join the challenge for the first time this year. First I want to clarify some things that I'm unsure about.
I understand that "Unrated" and "Extended" versions of movies don't count but what about alternate versions that were marketed as a different movie? The European cut of Dawn of the Dead was called Zombi and received its own series of sequels. Does it count separately? What about the extended versions of Death Proof and Planet Terror versus the theatrical Grindhouse feature?
As for the documentaries, what about ones that were made for television and but are released on DVD with a movie? There's a great TCM documentary about the Universal Monsters that years later was included with the Legacy Series editions of Frankenstein, Dracula and the Mummy.
Lastly does The Nightmare Before Christmas count? Seems like it should but it's certainly not a horror movie.
As for commentaries I'm voting for option C.
dcrw6
09-11-08, 03:14 AM
Just thought I'd throw out a recommendation for anyone to use as a wildcard. There's an anime called Kakuenbo which is only about half an hour long. It's kind of creepy and has become kind of my own tradition to watch it during my Halloween marathons.
For the record, I think Masters of Horror (or Fear Itself for that matter) should count as they are considered movies, even if they aired on television first. I don't really see the need for commentaries at all. As for documentaries, use your own common sense, man. I think a lot of these issues are only coming up because people are concerned over others' title counts, and that's not really the point of all this.
edwardnortonfan
09-11-08, 07:36 AM
He probably has some butchered public domain monstrosity with a metal/goth soundtrack, there are unfortunately several of those floating around.
It also has nothing to do with vampires. If he means "Lez Vampires", as in sleazemaster Jesus Franco's Vampiros Lesbos, that's way over an hour as well.
I'm not a "he."
There's no "heavy metal soundtrack," but yes, the "public domain monstrosity" I have is 45 minutes long. I wasn't aware it wasn't the "true version" because every time I've seen it on one of the movie compilations in stores, it's been 45 minutes long. I didn't research the matter farther and this is the version I've watched many times.
I've never called "Vampires Lesbos" "Lez Vampires." I call that film by its proper name. The "Les Vampires" I watched last year as part of the challenge was 51 minutes long. Again, it was on a "public domain monstrosity" disc. It was suggested to me last year in the discussion thread as a silent movie I could watch to fulfill the silent film requirement, and that was the first time I heard of it, so I searched online and bought a cheap movie compilation disc that had a copy of this movie included. I watched it last year for the challenge and discussed it with people, and no one bothered to mention to me that it was some kind of truncated version. The point of my post was that the 60 minute rule excludes some movies that I think should count.
As Mr. Peepers said:
So what 40 - 59 minute movies upsets enough people so we can't watch them? If they're movies and they're horror, I don't see what the problem is. Just because there aren't a lot of them doesn't mean we should automatically disqualify them. They're horror movies and this is a horror movie challenge. If someone doesn't want to watch them then don't, someone else might.
Yes. This is what I was trying to say. You said it better. I didn't know that trying to include examples of movies that weren't 60 minutes long was going to lead to an argument about movie lengths.
edwardnortonfan
09-11-08, 07:40 AM
Caligari (1920) is 74 minutes, the 1962 version is 106 minutes, and the 2005 version is 76 minutes, so I'm not sure where you got that from. During my IMDB search, I stumbled across this (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097228/) Caligari, which looks intriguingly bizarre. Co-scripted by Jerry Stahl too boot. Has anyone seen it? Apparently it's a rarity.
I've seen that. It's definitely interesting, but it's strange and it kind of gave me a headache.
caligulathegod
09-11-08, 08:06 AM
These films (used a bit loosely) are all between 41 and 54 minutes according to imdb and/or my own notes - both of which may well be wrong.
Blood: The Last Vampire
Boy from Hell / Jigoku Kozo
Call of Cthulhu
Dead Girl Walking
Death Train / Kyofu Ressha
Digital Devil Monogatari Megami Tensei
Down to Hell
Evening of Edgar Allan Poe
Ghost Story for Christmas: The Signalman
Ghost Story for Christmas: The Stalls of Barchester
Ghost Story for Christmas: Treasure of Abbot Thomas
Ghost Story for Christmas: A Warning to the Curious
Guinea Pig: Android of Notre Dame
Guinea Pig: Devil's Experiment
Guinea Pig: Flowers of Flesh and Blood
Guinea Pig: Devil Woman Doctor
Kazuo Umezu's Horror Theater: Death Make
Kazuo Umezu's Horror Theater: Diet
Kazuo Umezu's Horror Theater: House of Bugs
Kazuo Umezu's Horror Theater: Present
Kazuo Umezu's Horror Theater: Snake Girl
Kazuo Umezu's Horror Theater: The Wish
Living Dead Lock Up 2: March of the Dead
Masters of Horror: Incident On and Off a Mountain Road
Mother Tree [Kaidan Chibusu Enoki: Ghost of Chibusu Enoki]
Omnibus: Whistle and I'll Come to You
Shadows in the Dark: The Val Lewton Legacy
Torched
A Candle in the Dark
Misty Mundae Mummy Raider
Death Shock
A Warning to the Curious
Maniac
Beast of Yucca Flats
Abducted by the Daleks
Ghostbusters vs Freddy
Most of those are made for video shorts/featurettes, repackaged TV shows, amateur shot-on-camcorder productions, etc. A few are even barely 30 minutes. Only a couple are even real movies, and poverty row quickies at that (not that there's anything wrong with a poverty row quickie).
This just underlines why we need a 55 minute rule. A line has to be drawn somewhere that will mean people watch actual movies. It shouldn't be that hard to find actual honest-to-flying-spaghetti-monster movies and not rely on loopholes and exceptions and whatever detritus can be dug up. The handful of worthwhile short films that are out there can be watched using the wild cards. That's what they are there for. I watched a bunch of short films for my wild cards last year including 4 hours worth of Horror trailers I personally compiled for a movie marathon. Got a poverty row quickie like Kino's Maniac at 53-54 minutes? Go ahead and count it, it's close enough. Again, this is just an excuse to watch a bunch of Horror movies, and 100 is just an arbitrary goal. If you are loading up on crap just because it is 40 minutes or slightly more just for high numbers, you are missing the whole point of this challenge.
caligulathegod
09-11-08, 08:31 AM
I'm not a "he."
There's no "heavy metal soundtrack," but yes, the "public domain monstrosity" I have is 45 minutes long. I wasn't aware it wasn't the "true version" because every time I've seen it on one of the movie compilations in stores, it's been 45 minutes long. I didn't research the matter farther and this is the version I've watched many times.
I've never called "Vampires Lesbos" "Lez Vampires." I call that film by its proper name. The "Les Vampires" I watched last year as part of the challenge was 51 minutes long. Again, it was on a "public domain monstrosity" disc. It was suggested to me last year in the discussion thread as a silent movie I could watch to fulfill the silent film requirement, and that was the first time I heard of it, so I searched online and bought a cheap movie compilation disc that had a copy of this movie included. I watched it last year for the challenge and discussed it with people, and no one bothered to mention to me that it was some kind of truncated version. The point of my post was that the 60 minute rule excludes some movies that I think should count.
As Mr. Peepers said:
So what 40 - 59 minute movies upsets enough people so we can't watch them? If they're movies and they're horror, I don't see what the problem is. Just because there aren't a lot of them doesn't mean we should automatically disqualify them. They're horror movies and this is a horror movie challenge. If someone doesn't want to watch them then don't, someone else might.
Yes. This is what I was trying to say. You said it better. I didn't know that trying to include examples of movies that weren't 60 minutes long was going to lead to an argument about movie lengths.
No argument. You listed 2 movies that are way over 60 minutes in a thread with Horror fanatics so we were going to catch that. I can't say I've seen all 7 hours (10 episodes) of Les Vampires, but you neeeeeeed to see the proper Nosferatu, though. Forty-five minutes sounds like an abortion.
Mister Peepers
09-11-08, 09:49 AM
amateur shot-on-camcorder productions
They're still horror movies no matter who or how they're made. If someone doesn't want to watch them because they're shorter compared to mainstream, theatrically run movies, which doesn't automatically make they not horror or not entertaining.
Why should we exclude The Norliss Tapes? It was a failed pilot but it's been "repackaged" into it's own horror movie.
We aren't talking about including items that aren't movies, we're talking about excluded horror movies from a horror movie challenge because even though they fall within the Academy rules for a movie, certain people don't want others to watch them. I don't agree with that.
edwardnortonfan
09-11-08, 02:29 PM
No argument. You listed 2 movies that are way over 60 minutes in a thread with Horror fanatics so we were going to catch that. I can't say I've seen all 7 hours (10 episodes) of Les Vampires, but you neeeeeeed to see the proper Nosferatu, though. Forty-five minutes sounds like an abortion.
But you say "we were going to catch that" like it was intentional on my part; like I was sneaking in movies I knew weren't legit and trying to get away with something. Last year I watched the version of "Les Vampires" I found (which, after checking, must contain only the first episode) and not one person said "Hey, that's got 10 episodes and it's hours long, you must have some kind of truncated version," and I watched Nosferatu and listed the running time, and again, no one said anything. Now, a year later, I mentioned these movies again in a discussion to indicate that I think some shorter movies should be included in this year's challenge, and I get jabbed with some unnecessary comments indicating that I wouldn't notice that something with a heavy metal soundtrack wasn't the original "Nosferatu," and that I wouldn't know the actual title of Jess Franco's "Vampires Lesbos" and would call it "Lez Vampires." That isn't even the only movie with lesbian vampires, so I don't know where the jab came from, and I think it's silly and overly argumentative, but the whole tone of these posts is getting too overly argumentative for my taste. In my opinion, if something is released as a feature and it's intended as a standalone movie, it should count even if it's under 60 minutes. We're not talking about including episodes of "Are You Afraid of the Dark" here. We shouldn't have to use "wildcards" for those features that are under 55 minutes, because if they're intended as standalone features, they're not "wildcards," they're movies. The Master's of Horror installments are also intended as "movies," as someone pointed out from the wording in their very description. If you don't want to watch them, that's fine, but I don't think that means other people shouldn't be allowed to watch them. Your very wording is questionable. You say "the few legitimate horror films under 55 minutes" could be covered with wildcards, but first, that doesn't make sense because if they're legitimate shorter horror films, why should they be wildcards? Wildcards are for including anything that isn't a horror movie, not for listing a horror movie that some people don't feel is legitimate because it's shorter.
Numes
09-11-08, 02:41 PM
Bottom line, the rules are clear. Movies count, stand-alone documentaries count, all viewings must be >= 40 minutes. Changing the rule from 40 minutes to 55 minutes or 60 minutes will accomplish nothing except exclude some movies people have the right to watch in the challenge. A movie is a movie and a stand-alone documentary is a stand-alone documentary. Changing the rule wouldn't actually preventing anyone from doing anything shady since since it is covered by the other rules.
edwardnortonfan
09-11-08, 02:49 PM
Bottom line, the rules are clear. Movies count, stand-alone documentaries count, all viewings must be >= 40 minutes. Changing the rule from 40 minutes to 55 minutes or 60 minutes shouldn't matter. A movie is a movie and a stand-alone documentary is a stand-alone documentary. Changing the rule wouldn't actually preventing anyone from doing anything shady since since it is covered by the other rules.
Changing the rule to 55 minutes does count, since it then excludes all movies that are under 55 minutes. We're not talking about documentaries (at least I'm not) I'm talking about movies that are under 55 minutes but over 40 minutes, movies that counted last year, movies some of us like to watch, not to "get away" with anything but because they're horror and we enjoy horror, movies that suddenly wouldn't count this year because other people don't want us to watch them.
Numes
09-11-08, 02:54 PM
Changing the rule to 55 minutes does count, since it then excludes all movies that are under 55 minutes. We're not talking about documentaries (at least I'm not) I'm talking about movies that are under 55 minutes but over 40 minutes, movies that counted last year, movies some of us like to watch, not to "get away" with anything but because they're horror and we enjoy horror, movies that suddenly wouldn't count this year because other people don't want us to watch them.
Ok, my wording wasn't clear. I was in 100% agreement with you. I meant changing the time shouldn't matter to preventing anyone from doing anything shady... I.e. it will accomplish nothing except exclude some movies people have the right to watch in the challenge.
edwardnortonfan
09-11-08, 02:58 PM
Oh, ok, sorry.
NoirFan
09-11-08, 05:47 PM
I didn't know that trying to include examples of movies that weren't 60 minutes long was going to lead to an argument about movie lengths.
But Nosferatu and Les Vampires aren't examples of films that are less than sixty minutes. You simply have incomplete versions. Now that you are aware of this fact, we can move on.
Pizza
09-11-08, 06:00 PM
I obviously don't know how to use the "search this thread" properly as I keep getting:
"Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms."
Would someone explain what the "with or without" rule is?
edwardnortonfan
09-11-08, 06:11 PM
But Nosferatu and Les Vampires aren't examples of films that are less than sixty minutes. You simply have incomplete versions. Now that you are aware of this fact, we can move on.
Hence why I said "TRYING" to include examples. I now realize that my versions are incomplete and no one bothered to say this last year, I apologize for deigning to make a mistake like this, but there's no need to take the tone you've taken with me since your first post addressing my response about "Les Vampires." It's possible to inform people that their versions of films are incomplete without being nasty or condescending or rude, but apparently, these three traits are your trademark, since you use them in every reply you make in this thread.
edwardnortonfan
09-11-08, 06:13 PM
I obviously don't know how to use the "search this thread" properly as I keep getting:
"Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms."
Would someone explain what the "with or without" rule is?
People are debating whether we should be allowed to watch horror films with commentary and have it count. The rule is that you are allowed to include a film once on the list, and you can choose to watch this film with the commentary or without, but you can't watch the film with the commentary and without the commentary and count the film twice as though it is a separate film.
NoirFan
09-11-08, 06:45 PM
It's possible to inform people that their versions of films are incomplete without being nasty or condescending or rude, but apparently, these three traits are your trademark, since you use them in every reply you make in this thread.
As a fan of cinema, I find edited, mangled or incomplete versions of films to be utterly offensive to my sensibilities. The public domain editions of films floating around on those budget sets are often barely legal bootlegs which are in no way accurate representations of the films as they were originally intended to be seen. My issue is with the DVDs themselves, not the owners. If you feel my dismissal of your edition of Nosferatu was a slam at you as a person as well, which was truly not my intent, then I apologize. My comment about Les Vampires was just a lame joke, not a putdown of you. Moving on - neither wlverinefactor and viewaskewbian have posted on this forum in over a month - has anyone sent either one of them a PM on the 31 film discussion thread?
Chad
09-11-08, 07:01 PM
Please allow me clear up a few things before chaos ensues:
The 40-minute rule is still intact. The whole 55-minute thing was simply a suggestion by caligulathegod because I mentioned a movie with a 57-minute running time. And the sole reason that was brought up in the first place was to prove that a 60-minute rule would exclude such films. Nothing has changed. Got it?
With the documentaries I understand not counting featurettes but there are some good feature length documentaries that are DVD extras like the documentaries on Psycho, Friday the 13th and Re-Animator, I think that if they are that long they should count regardless of release. A 30-40 minute featurette should not count, but a "feature length" documentary should.
So the new documentary rule is "legitimate stand alone horror documentaries"? So feature length documentaries like those on Re-Animator or Psycho don't count? If that is the case I don't really like that, because they are the same thing as the Hallloween: 25 Years of Terror documentary or the Going to Pieces documentary.
Not to worry - The slight editing of the documentary rule was simply to give more clarification in regards to what I meant by a "legitimate documentary". Stand-alone doesn't necessarily only refer to docs that have had seperate releases. And you're right, it would be unfair to exclude them. Sometimes there are exceptions and they stand out on their own despite only being released with a particular film. And that's when personal judgment comes into play - I'm fully confident that you are all perfectly capable of deciphering the difference between legit docs and marshmallowly fluff and that good ole' common sense will prevail. :D
caligulathegod
09-11-08, 08:16 PM
But you say "we were going to catch that" like it was intentional on my part; like I was sneaking in movies I knew weren't legit and trying to get away with something. Last year I watched the version of "Les Vampires" I found (which, after checking, must contain only the first episode) and not one person said "Hey, that's got 10 episodes and it's hours long, you must have some kind of truncated version," and I watched Nosferatu and listed the running time, and again, no one said anything. Now, a year later, I mentioned these movies again in a discussion to indicate that I think some shorter movies should be included in this year's challenge, and I get jabbed with some unnecessary comments indicating that I wouldn't notice that something with a heavy metal soundtrack wasn't the original "Nosferatu," and that I wouldn't know the actual title of Jess Franco's "Vampires Lesbos" and would call it "Lez Vampires." That isn't even the only movie with lesbian vampires, so I don't know where the jab came from, and I think it's silly and overly argumentative, but the whole tone of these posts is getting too overly argumentative for my taste. In my opinion, if something is released as a feature and it's intended as a standalone movie, it should count even if it's under 60 minutes. We're not talking about including episodes of "Are You Afraid of the Dark" here. We shouldn't have to use "wildcards" for those features that are under 55 minutes, because if they're intended as standalone features, they're not "wildcards," they're movies. The Master's of Horror installments are also intended as "movies," as someone pointed out from the wording in their very description. If you don't want to watch them, that's fine, but I don't think that means other people shouldn't be allowed to watch them. Your very wording is questionable. You say "the few legitimate horror films under 55 minutes" could be covered with wildcards, but first, that doesn't make sense because if they're legitimate shorter horror films, why should they be wildcards? Wildcards are for including anything that isn't a horror movie, not for listing a horror movie that some people don't feel is legitimate because it's shorter.
Do you work for John McCain and Sarah Palin ;) ? I apologize if we offended. It wasn't meant to be patronizing. We were just trying to figure out what you were talking about. Les Vampires is a 7 hour long serial from 1915 and you said it was under an hour, so it's not unreasonable for us to assume you were referring to another film. Old Horror films are notorious for having alternate titles. We gave you the benefit of the doubt that you were just mistaken about the title rather than make assumptions about your later admitted "lack of research". I honestly had no idea they were truncating it for public domain collections. I've only ever seen the $125 laserdisc and $70 DVD. Also, to mention the all-time classic Nosferatu as a title of 45 minutes is going to get a comment, I'm sorry. It's not an obscure title. An error like that is going to get corrected but it's not meant to offend. Oh yeah, and it's also the very first title on the new list of group films. If were were going to be snarky, we would have brought that up.
They're still horror movies no matter who or how they're made. If someone doesn't want to watch them because they're shorter compared to mainstream, theatrically run movies, which doesn't automatically make they not horror or not entertaining.
Why should we exclude The Norliss Tapes? It was a failed pilot but it's been "repackaged" into it's own horror movie.
We aren't talking about including items that aren't movies, we're talking about excluded horror movies from a horror movie challenge because even though they fall within the Academy rules for a movie, certain people don't want others to watch them. I don't agree with that.
I looked most of those up, and even IMDB calls most of them "shorts". The Norliss Tapes is 72 minutes. It would be allowed under the rules. "TV movies" are allowed (whatever their origin), but "TV Shows" are not. A lot of those listed as under an hour were just 1 hour TV shows (40+ minutes minus commercials) repackaged as videos and not movies. They also included straight to video shorts. Direct to Video movies are allowed, but they should have to reach a certain threshold. Just because it was released on video doesn't mean anything. I have tons of short 5-8 minute DVDs (Hardware Wars, for instance), but that doesn't mean they should be treated as features. You have to draw a line somewhere. At an hour or thereabouts, the rule takes care of itself. You get actual features, as is generally and realistically defined, and not a bunch of shorts. There are enough real Horror movies out there that fit in the definition of "feature" that we don't have to scrape the bottom of the barrel for 35 minute atrocities like Freddy vs Ghostbusters.
The Wild Card system started as a way to allow in things that just didn't quite make the rules. You can watch a two hour documentary on the making of Jaws that was included on the DVD using a wild card. It's also meant for something like Call of Cthulu, or others of its ilk. It's not meant to be solely for Charlie Brown and Roseanne.
The reason we're having this discussion is to hammer out the rules. We're allowed to change them. It's counterproductive to insist that the first draft rendition of the rules from 4 years ago should be absolute law when in practice it's been shown that it will be exploited. It was intended that shorter films were to fill in gaps, but instead we got people listing 18-20 titles a day so they could inflate their numbers. The rules even mentioned not doing that. That was the biggest cause of the friction we had last year and if we can't address it honestly and objectively, we are doomed to repeat it. If you did that last year, no need to defend it. It was perfectly legal. It's just this year we wanted to level the playing field, lower the pitcher's mound, shrink the strike zone, etc. so to speak. It's not unreasonable nor a hardship on anyone to insist that a Horror Movie watching challenge be about watching actual Horror Movies and not just any 40 minute Horror related vignette packaged up and sold on DVD.
Pizza
09-11-08, 08:17 PM
People are debating whether we should be allowed to watch horror films with commentary and have it count. The rule is that you are allowed to include a film once on the list, and you can choose to watch this film with the commentary or without, but you can't watch the film with the commentary and without the commentary and count the film twice as though it is a separate film.
I get it now. Thank you for clearing it up for me.
Mister Peepers
09-11-08, 09:57 PM
The reason we're having this discussion is to hammer out the rules.
Except Chad said the rule is 40 minutes.
I have a 2 hour movie that IMDB calls a short for some reason. They aren't really the perfect place for info all the time :)
In your examples you listed movies or shorts, which aren't movies and wouldn't count anyway, that were all below 40 minutes or above 60. What is the problem with the movies that fit between those times?
I was just going off a list I had that was obviously inaccurate, but if you really want I can go through my collection and find actual movies with running times between 40 and 60 minutes.
From there you can go through the list of "horror movies" and explain for each one why they aren't really a horror movie or why they wouldn't count as a horror movie to watch during a horror movie challenge.
That's the part I'm hung up on but if you think you could break it down for me so I can see what I'm missing, I'm all for it. I refuse to accept a reason of not being theatrically shown as being valid for me. Just clearing that up front.
caligulathegod
09-12-08, 12:13 AM
The reason we're having this discussion is to hammer out the rules.Except Chad said the rule is 40 minutes.
We're allowed to change them. It's counterproductive to insist that the first draft rendition of the rules from 4 years ago should be absolute law in perpetuity when in practice it's been shown that it can and will be exploited.
The reason we have these discussions is to figure out what worked, what didn't, what can be improved, what can be added. Last year, we had the equivalent of Barry Bonds, Mark McGuire, and Sammy Sosa in the race. Were the balls juiced or were the players? While the time spent was indeed prodigious, the sheer numbers were inflated a bit thanks to A&E Biographies, DVD extras, made-for-video vignettes, and anything else that barely qualified that had some blood in it. It was legal last year, but why not (if I may stretch my baseball metaphor) lower the pitcher's mound, shrink the strike zone, etc.? Was there anything wrong with people hitting 300+? No, not really, but don't think of it as punishing those that hit 300, but instead making it more of a challenge. A challenge, indeed than can be met by everybody no matter what their participation. Want to watch 5 movies? You can meet this challenge. Want to watch over 100? You can still meet this challenge. We're just purifying the challenge. Distilling it, if you will.
I admit to being somewhat snarky in describing some of the shorter films. But this is a Horror Movie challenge. Generally, most folks know what a movie is and what most folks would call an actual movie is at least 80 minutes long, children's movies (and lame spoof movies) a bit less. We are watching movies from the entire history of film and in earlier times when they showed cartoons, newsreels, comedy live-action shorts, and double features, films were a bit shorter. Even at their shortest, they were rarely much under an hour. A few extremely low budget films made outside of the studio system (poverty row quickies, like Ed Wood used to make) managed to survive as slightly less than an hour. A handful were actually that short, or just had footage lost to time and neglect or censorship. Those are forgivable. When someone makes a modern day plotless snuff film, as entertaining as it might be, it really should meet some criteria that makes it somewhat equivalent to a feature. I draw no value judgments on the film itself. Hell, if everything works out, I'm going to be able to put this* on my list October 4. All I ask is a reasonable time cutoff so we can have a fair definition of feature and have it be fair for everyone. We can't disallow Universal classics so just under an hour seems reasonable. If you want to watch a shorter film, that's what the Wild Cards are for.
http://blackdevildoll.com for the unrated version.
The Monkees
09-12-08, 01:02 AM
Not to worry - The slight editing of the documentary rule was simply to give more clarification in regards to what I meant by a "legitimate documentary". Stand-alone doesn't necessarily only refer to docs that have had seperate releases. And you're right, it would be unfair to exclude them. Sometimes there are exceptions and they stand out on their own despite only being released with a particular film. And that's when personal judgment comes into play - I'm fully confident that you are all perfectly capable of deciphering the difference between legit docs and marshmallowly fluff and that good ole' common sense will prevail. :D
Thank you! I figured as much, but I wanted to make clear of the rules for this. ;)
edwardnortonfan
09-12-08, 05:14 AM
We gave you the benefit of the doubt that you were just mistaken about the title rather than make assumptions about your later admitted "lack of research".
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Oh yeah, and it's also the very first title on the new list of group films. If were were going to be snarky, we would have brought that up.
If I worked for Sarah Palin I'd try to shut this whole challenge down and ban all the movies.
What bothered me was not that you mentioned that I had a bad version of "Nosferatu," it was the tone of your comments and the "Lez Vampires" comment, which I took wrong, and that misunderstanding has already been worked out.
What you don't seem to be getting is that I admitted, whoops, my bad, I must have a truncated version of the movie two pages ago, but I really don't see why I'd need to perform RESEARCH about a movie I bought and watched. I don't use IMDB much because it's not the best source of information and I've noticed numerous errors in the past when I've browsed the website. I bought "Nosferatu" and watched it last year back in the middle of a ton of infighting in the challenge and listed its running time in the discussion thread (because people were arguing that others were lying and thus it was requested that we post the schedule of our movie watching so we could prove we watched all the movies we said that we watched). You'd think with all that fighting SOMEONE would have butted in and said something about my 45 minute version of Nosferatu, but no one did, so I didn't bother to RESEARCH it because I had no inkling that my version was INCORRECT until I innocently mentioned it this time and got rude, snarky comments. I don't bother to RESEARCH every movie I buy, so I don't know why you're pointing out my "lack of research" as though it's common to research every movie you buy to make sure there aren't longer versions out there. I was wrong, I admitted that two pages ago, but I'm not somehow less of a film fan because I didn't bother to RESEARCH a movie I'd bought when I had no indication that I had the wrong version. Yes, it's listed at the top of the 31 movies to watch for this year, what's your point? That still doesn't mean I'd bother to do research on it and find out that the actual version is longer if I thought I had the real version and none of the nitpicky board members bothered to call me out last year when I listed the running time of the movie as 45 minutes. You keep saying "we're going to CATCH that" and "an error like that is going to be noticed, I'm sorry" like I'm trying to scam people or intentionally lie. It's not really an error on my part if I had a version that was 45 minutes and to my knowledge that was how long the movie was, no one had ever said anything about it before, and yes, in all my internet perusing I never noticed that the film's running time was different, my bad. I don't obsessively check the running times of films when I read about them, but from now on I will, I promise. The moment someone said "Hey, the movie is longer than that" I admitted I must have been wrong, and I'm going to pick up a better version of the movie ASAP. I really don't know why we're still talking about this.
Numes
09-12-08, 05:26 AM
... Mark McGuire...
Sorry, being a huge baseball fan, I can't let this one go. It's Mark McGwire. :)
edwardnortonfan
09-12-08, 07:10 AM
Hey, for caligulathegod and Noir Fan, I've been searching Amazon, and the running times of their "Nosferatu" editions range from 64 minutes to 94 minutes...is there really that large a disparity between the transfers? This version (available to watch free online) is 94 minutes long, and you'd think if someone were going to put a version online it would be the lowest public domain trash available, but this seems to be a solid version.
http://cinema.lycos.com/movies/nosferatu
There seems to be a lot of fighting about whether the Image version or the Kino version is the best version, any thoughts?
Pizza
09-12-08, 07:15 AM
I'm an outsider when it comes to these movie challenges so take my opinion with a grain of salt. (And please don't beat me up in Oct. if I make any mistakes in what I select to watch because I'm doing this for fun, not competition, and as an excuse to watch a chunk of my ever-growing unwatched DVD pile.) I look at this event as sort of going to one of those 24 hour movie marathons at a theater. I've been to a few, and the one that impressed me the most had a program built on movies, trailers, TV shows (The Twilight Zone to be specific) and special guests that talked and took part in Q&As (which one could consider to be like watching a documentary.) I had a grand time. Now, I certainly understand why trailers wouldn't count for anything but atmosphere, yet, the other stuff isn't "fluff." For the hardcore participant, maybe a solution is a point system such as movies, 4 points; documentaries, 2 points; hour TV shows, 2 points; half hour, 1 point. If people thing someone watched a truncated version of film, knock a point off (although I don't think it's a big deal either way). For simplicity sake, the other solution is to strickly make it just "movies" and then it's just a count of the total viewed. Again, I"m not trying to step on any toes and I'll gladly live by whatever the rules are, I'm just trying to help. I'm certainly not planning on winning this thing and fully expect to be on the bottom. But, I also plan on having a grand time in Oct. watching the cool, the bad and the beautifully awful horror films in my collection and maybe discuss some of them with other horror fans on these boards.
caligulathegod
09-12-08, 08:09 AM
Sorry, being a huge baseball fan, I can't let this one go. It's Mark McGwire. :)
I stand corrected. Hope that doesn't ruin my metaphor :)
If I worked for Sarah Palin I'd try to shut this whole challenge down and ban all the movies.
What bothered me was not that you mentioned that I had a bad version of "Nosferatu," it was the tone of your comments and the "Lez Vampires" comment, which I took wrong, and that misunderstanding has already been worked out.
What you don't seem to be getting is that I admitted, whoops, my bad, I must have a truncated version of the movie two pages ago, but I really don't see why I'd need to perform RESEARCH about a movie I bought and watched. I don't use IMDB much because it's not the best source of information and I've noticed numerous errors in the past when I've browsed the website. I bought "Nosferatu" and watched it last year back in the middle of a ton of infighting in the challenge and listed its running time in the discussion thread (because people were arguing that others were lying and thus it was requested that we post the schedule of our movie watching so we could prove we watched all the movies we said that we watched). You'd think with all that fighting SOMEONE would have butted in and said something about my 45 minute version of Nosferatu, but no one did, so I didn't bother to RESEARCH it because I had no inkling that my version was INCORRECT until I innocently mentioned it this time and got rude, snarky comments. I don't bother to RESEARCH every movie I buy, so I don't know why you're pointing out my "lack of research" as though it's common to research every movie you buy to make sure there aren't longer versions out there. I was wrong, I admitted that two pages ago, but I'm not somehow less of a film fan because I didn't bother to RESEARCH a movie I'd bought when I had no indication that I had the wrong version. Yes, it's listed at the top of the 31 movies to watch for this year, what's your point? That still doesn't mean I'd bother to do research on it and find out that the actual version is longer if I thought I had the real version and none of the nitpicky board members bothered to call me out last year when I listed the running time of the movie as 45 minutes. You keep saying "we're going to CATCH that" and "an error like that is going to be noticed, I'm sorry" like I'm trying to scam people or intentionally lie. It's not really an error on my part if I had a version that was 45 minutes and to my knowledge that was how long the movie was, no one had ever said anything about it before, and yes, in all my internet perusing I never noticed that the film's running time was different, my bad. I don't obsessively check the running times of films when I read about them, but from now on I will, I promise. The moment someone said "Hey, the movie is longer than that" I admitted I must have been wrong, and I'm going to pick up a better version of the movie ASAP. I really don't know why we're still talking about this.
Please allow me to apologize, as it is obvious I am coming across wrong. I assure you it wasn't intended that way. In a spirited discussion sometimes the niceties of discourse are set aside and also tone is hard to convey in print. Our responses weren't meant to be snarky as much as funny. Had I made the error and had it pointed out, my response would have been a nice Homer Simpson "D'OH!" and then laughed at my own mistake (I mean, someone comments that a film that should be watched would be disqualified because it is too short then the film turns out to be really seven hours? Who isn't going to make a joke about that? It's not to be mean, it's just funny.). We were just hoping you would take it in the same spirit. I think that's why Noir made the Lez Vampire joke. Also, I certainly wasn't implying that you were cheating by saying we caught you. I meant we caught the error.
I hope we can put this behind us and be friends. :hippie:
Anyway, as to your other question, I think there's not really that much difference. Here I will admit to being hasty. I completely forgot about one important issue. The difference between the 64 minute ones and the 94 minutes ones is very slight. A few shots here and there, but it's mostly projection speed. The 94 minute ones run at 18 frames per second while the 64 minute ones are 24-25 frames per second.
You can't go wrong with either the Image or the Kino. Both have nice sharp pictures. Image is less pricey. Image has a great informative commentary by a renown German cinema scholar, and the new Kino Ultimate has a nice new restored image and has a nice documentary and even has two copies (one with the original German intertitles and one with new English translations-the German one also has subtitles for translation). That linked one is pretty crappy. For instance, the scene where Knock is looking at the paper with all the arcane symbols, in the Image and Kino ones, you can see them in perfect details. The public domain ones are fuzzy and blurry. If I can dig up my public domain copy, I'll post screen shots. I've got a couple public domain copies, including the one packaged with Edison's Frankenstein, and also that crappy Heavy Metal one Noir was joking about.
JerryKILL
09-12-08, 08:25 AM
My suggestion is the same as last year: no rules, no prizes. It's going to be a long month, I hope the thread survives.
riotinmyskull
09-12-08, 08:28 AM
i don't know about the rest of you but i'm just going to watch a shit ton of horror movies...i'm aiming for the 100 mark this year but we'll see. i really couldn't care less in regards to all the complaining about commentaries and documentaries and runtimes (though i don't see why anyone wouldn't want MOH to count). i'm really getting anxious and i haven't watched a horror movie in about 2 weeks now and i'm freaking out and can't wait for october 1st, i plan to watch all 5 of romero's dead series that day (i have the day off from work).
Darth Maher
09-12-08, 08:45 AM
i plan to watch all 5 of romero's dead series that day (i have the day off from work).
I've been trying to do this for 2 years now (of course it was only 4 movies then...) I finally got to my Romero Dead-A-Thon in July when I was compiling scenes for a Romero "Dead" tribute video I was working on.
Mister Peepers
09-12-08, 09:14 AM
All I ask is a reasonable time cutoff so we can have a fair definition of feature and have it be fair for everyone.
We already have a fair definition of what a feature is. Chad set the time limit based off of what the Academy people have already debated about.
edit: You keep saying there's confusion about what a feature is when there really isn't. The point being that you just don't like the run time. You say there aren't a lot of movies that fall within the 40-60 minute run time so there shouldn't be a problem with anyone watching what few movies there are that fall into that section. If someone doesn't want to watch it, then they don't need to and they don't need to worry about someone else watching them. Not everyone likes or wants to watch the same thing.
We already have a definition of a feature so we really don't need to be cutting out some movies simply because some people don't like the low running time. They're still movies by definition, just not necessarily your definition.
The Beast of Yucca Flats
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054673/
Running time is 54 minutes. It's listed as horror and described by everyone on the page as being a movie.
In your opinion, why should this horror movie not count in a horror movie challenge?
caligulathegod
09-12-08, 10:42 AM
I'm just saying, watch whatever you want, just make sure it is feature length. 55 minutes is just a line and it's a line that is close enough to what constitutes what is generally perceived as a legitimate feature film (that is, one that could be released in theaters) in the most objective way possible (or at least did in its era. No way even a 55 minute films gets to be called a feature today). I've said two or three times that it doesn't need to be strict. 53, 54 minutes is close enough. Use your own judgment. They don't have to be theatrically released, but a theatrical release is a de facto template. If we had a 55 minute (or so) rule, we wouldn't even have to define the documentaries. It would cut out the DVD fluff while still allowing stuff like the Exorcist doc on the 25th Anniversary DVD or the Jaws doc.
I've made my points, and either you are going to agree, or you are not going to. I can't force the issue and don't want to. I'm just trying to persuade. I figured if we had a nice objective and reasonable definition, all the other things would take care of themselves. It would reduce arguments and give us a worthy challenge. If getting higher numbers of titles is that important, then go ahead and keep it at 40 minutes. I just want to watch a bunch of Horror movies and have fun.
nemein
09-12-08, 11:20 AM
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NoirFan
09-12-08, 04:26 PM
There seems to be a lot of fighting about whether the Image version or the Kino version is the best version, any thoughts?
The best edition is the R2 MoC release, but if you don't have a region-free player than the Kino is the way to go. Here (http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews33/nosferatu.htm) is a comparison.
Giles
09-12-08, 05:15 PM
from what I can tell the review for the MoC version of Nosferatu is region 0 PAL, which surprisingly can play on some of players that are not region free - my Philips and portable Zenith player.
Darkgod
09-13-08, 07:18 AM
Solution: Why don't we all meet up and punch each other in the face, it might settle things.
Under/Over for thread shutdowns this October: 3
Chances I get one of the shutdowns when I complain how someone watched 16 movies in one night.... 2:1
Truthfully this banter takes away from it, I know there is going to be more of this, and hotter debate come october, and I will be right in the middle of it. But lets look at it as this... the times is 42 minutes. Truthfully, if somone wants to save 13 minutes to get an extra film in,Thus cutting short the suggestion set forth by others, they are probally gonna spend 13 minutes looking up the times and comparing. What does it matter if someone watches a 46 minute film, or a 58 minute film.
Documentaries, I think are a good thing. When I saw people using serials on serial killers, I went and used it too. As I said last year, it fealt like I was padding my stats. As long as it is a truthful documentary, and exceeds the times limits, and is somehting not of the fluff nature. Count it.
Comentaries... watch them if you want, count them once though even if you watch the film without them. I plan to watch some of the movies I've seen countless times ( i.e Evil Dead, Anoes, Hellraiser) with some sort of commentary. Be it what is on the dvd, or a rifftrax if available.
FusionX
09-13-08, 07:30 AM
I will probably only list the first hundred I watch, to avoid ruffling the feathers of the more sensitive runner ups. I'd rather enjoy the challenge, then spent the rest of the month watching without worrying about certain bitter pills being mad that they're not in contention. My approach this year is to have fun and not be concerned with what others are doing. I will be checking the lists of a few people (Trevor, Chad for sure) to get some viewing ideas, however.
edwardnortonfan
09-13-08, 07:50 AM
Check out my list, I'm going to be watching every underground and independent movie I can find in hopes of finding some gems in the mud. I'll have the most terrible list ever. :nopanic: I did this last time, though, and found "Fear of Clowns," which I love.
I really want to watch Mulva: Zombie Ass Kicker. Somehow, though, I don't think this will be the best movie ever made.
caligulathegod
09-13-08, 07:58 AM
That's actually what I plan this year, too. I've watched all the classics, so I want to get more "drive-iny". I'm sure I'll have to watch Texas Chainsaw when it comes out on Blu-ray, and I've been saving the Kino Nosferatu and Blu-ray Nightmare Before Xmas for this, but otherwise I'm going obscure.
Darkgod
09-13-08, 08:05 AM
I will probably only list the first hundred I watch, to avoid ruffling the feathers of the more sensitive runner ups. I'd rather enjoy the challenge, then spent the rest of the month watching without worrying about certain bitter pills being mad that they're not in contention. My approach this year is to have fun and not be concerned with what others are doing. I will be checking the lists of a few people (Trevor, Chad for sure) to get some viewing ideas, however.
I love how me and you refer to each other in our posts without actually saying names. But I have bad news concerning your bitter pills theory. I never thought I was in contention. I set a goal for 100( and failed) but I never thought I could do 325 films so I never bother to hope to win. As for Edtheripper, I am sure he watches close to that ammount, but the key word is watch.
NoirFan
09-13-08, 09:29 AM
That's actually what I plan this year, too. I've watched all the classics, so I want to get more "drive-iny".
Same here. I plan on focusing almost exclusively on 70's grindhouse and 80's slashers this time around, plus a big chunk of Hammer titles. Should be fun.
Darkgod
09-13-08, 09:47 AM
Same here. I plan on focusing almost exclusively on 70's grindhouse and 80's slashers this time around, plus a big chunk of Hammer titles. Should be fun.
Pretty much my idea, i have a butt loadof slasher films burnt, not to mention another buttload of Hammer, which Ironically I started to watch in last years challenge. I also plan on catching alot of the TCM movies as I now have a DVDR so I can grab the one on at night.
Trevor
09-13-08, 10:12 AM
I will probably only list the first hundred I watch, ...
Great idea, lets make that the rule.
Seriously. It will stop the number bickering.
The challenge is to hit 100. Nothing over 100 should be encouraged or rewarded.
List your titles and comments on each title, but don't number them once you hit 100.
Darth Maher
09-13-08, 10:45 AM
I have a handful of older movies that I've never seen in their entirety that I'm going to try and watch this year. Stuff like The Uninvited, The Old Dark House, House On Haunted Hill, 13 Ghosts, Last Man On Earth, and yes... Nosferatu... never seen it all the way through.
That is my goal this year.
Pizza
09-13-08, 01:09 PM
. . .plus a big chunk of Hammer titles. Should be fun.
In agreement. I recently picked up the UK Hammer box and plan to watch a number of titles from it. I got a lot of asian horror too that I never watched and may dig into those titles.
The Monkees
09-13-08, 01:10 PM
I have quite a few horror movies I've never watched, I'll try to watch them during this challenge.
Chad
09-13-08, 02:03 PM
I’ve finally come to my senses by making a couple of much-needed changes that will make this challenge a lot more enjoyable for all of us:
1. The feature-length rule is gone.
Okay, here’s the reasoning: Every single year we continue to have these ridiculous quarrels, not over prizes or because of sheer competitiveness, but over the running times and what constitutes the length of a feature film …and it’s usually regarding another person's list. And despite the fact that the rules have always been extremely lax and open to interpretation, this obsession on whether someone else’s title counts goes on. The emphasis here is supposed to be on having fun and that quickly diminishes when we’re all policing each other.
Yeah, upping it to the 55 or 60 minute mark would satisfy some, but it would also infuriate others. All that would accomplish is more countless debates over what counts and the cycle continues on. The fact of the matter is we will NEVER agree on a running time as a group. And honestly, why should anyone give a damn if a fellow participant watches something that you don't feel is an appropriate running time? Just enjoy yourself and don't worry about what others watch. Looking back in retrospect, I should have never added that rule because it has created some major problems.
2. No prize for the most watched.
Now I don't necessarily agree that the prize situation was the sole contributor of last years problems, although I can understand the reasoning behind removing this prize. This just ensures us that the person who watches the most of anyone is doing it because they want to and not because of a prize involved.
Also keep in mind I am NOT discouraging anyone from surpassing the 100 mark and hitting higher numbers. If you have 500 horror films lying around and feel like watching them all then go for it. There's a good possibility I'll personally watch more than the 153 from last year. Just don't make the assumption that anyone who surpasses 100 is doing it purely for competitive reasons or for a prize. Don't forget in the first year the 200 mark was surpassed and there weren't any prizes whatsoever involved. Most of us are just huge horror fans with a shitload of titles and this is our excuse to watch them. Just wanted to make that clear. :)
Of course there's still going to be prizes and probably just as many as last year. The only difference is they will all be randomly drawn for anyone who hits or surpasses the 100 mark with the exception of the new one for the most impressive list. And we'll all decide on that one when it's over.
I apologize for not putting this to a vote, but this needed to be done. The bottom line is I'm going to enjoy myself this year and will not let a repeat of last year happen.
LickTheABCs
09-13-08, 02:05 PM
I really want to watch Mulva: Zombie Ass Kicker. Somehow, though, I don't think this will be the best movie ever made.
Mulva is a funny movie, just don't take it seriously. Mulva 2: Kill Teen Ape! on the other hand was just lame.
riotinmyskull
09-13-08, 02:06 PM
I apologize for not putting this to a vote, but this needed to be done. The bottom line is I'm going to enjoy myself this year and will not let a repeat of last year happen.
all sounds good to me man...this is your baby and we all knew you'd make the right decisions to begin with. now come on october!
FusionX
09-13-08, 02:21 PM
Mulva is a funny movie, just don't take it seriously. Mulva 2: Kill Teen Ape! on the other hand was just lame.
I watched these in last year's challenge and agree, the first was fun, the second was awful.
As for the changes, this is Chad's deal, so I think its cool. I'll be listing my first 100, then moving my list/discussion to another board. Even with the changes, there will be some who choose to rain on parades, so I will be avoiding them this time around.
Chad
09-13-08, 02:40 PM
Also, despite TV shows and Halloween specials not counting (unless used as wild cards) ...
Feel free to include them unnumbered in your list and I'll include them as some sort of stats in the results thread. What exactly I don't know, but I'll think of something. :)
And speaking of stats, there was an earlier suggestion about including the most viewed horror films of the challenge. Well, I'll include that one too ...probably a top 3.
Trevor
09-13-08, 02:58 PM
Great choices Chad, and thanks as always for all the work you do in keeping this going.
Darkgod
09-13-08, 03:13 PM
Gracias Chad, and thanks for your hard work on this.
Darth Maher
09-13-08, 08:46 PM
Thanks Chad. Looks great!
NoirFan
09-13-08, 09:51 PM
In agreement. I recently picked up the UK Hammer box and plan to watch a number of titles from it.
That's the one I'm going to unwrap as well. Was super cheap from Amazon.co.uk. Cool packaging too!
jason978
09-15-08, 12:12 AM
I for one plan on watching movies and movies only. No docs, no commentaries, no MOH(I don't consider them movies). To each their own. The whole idea is to have fun.
Pizza
09-15-08, 07:46 AM
That's the one I'm going to unwrap as well. Was super cheap from Amazon.co.uk. Cool packaging too!
Yeah, the box is neat. I was going to order it online at amazon.co.uk myself, but the Mrs had to go visit the UK for work so I asked her to grab one if she saw it at a good price at a B&M shop. She called me when she found it on a discount table at a store in the airport for a good deal so I told her to buy it there, along with a bunch of Buffy sets that were marked much cheaper than I seen on amazon (after season 3, the widescreen ones) and a few music DVDs & CDs. It was a nice haul! It felt like an early Christmas. Now, it'll make for a cool Halloween.
Trevor
09-15-08, 09:01 AM
I'll delete it if we find the old one, but here's a facebook group (http://www.new.facebook.com/groups/create.php?customize&gid=35700858676#/group.php?gid=35700858676) for the challenge.
Darth Maher
09-15-08, 10:49 AM
I'll delete it if we find the old one, but here's a facebook group (http://www.new.facebook.com/groups/create.php?customize&gid=35700858676#/group.php?gid=35700858676) for the challenge.
It's funny. I didn't even know there WAS a Facebook group for this challenge 'til I read post in that old thread. Of course, I didn't get on Facebook until this year so I suppose I just ignored the post.
How was it last year? What did everybody do there?
Trevor
09-15-08, 11:01 AM
I haven't quite figured out what makes groups all that useful. But facebook overall is becoming my second home, well third home after my iphone. Hate the "new facebook" look though.
Darth Maher
09-15-08, 11:12 PM
I haven't quite figured out what makes groups all that useful. But facebook overall is becoming my second home, well third home after my iphone. Hate the "new facebook" look though.
Yeah, I joined the Facebook group! Now we're 3 members strong. :D
Yeah, I hate the new look too. It took me over a half an hour just to figure out how to make a post on my own "Wall".
caligulathegod
09-16-08, 05:38 AM
I’ve finally come to my senses by making a couple of much-needed changes that will make this challenge a lot more enjoyable for all of us:
1. The feature-length rule is gone.
Okay, here’s the reasoning: Every single year we continue to have these ridiculous quarrels, not over prizes or because of sheer competitiveness, but over the running times and what constitutes the length of a feature film …and it’s usually regarding another person's list. And despite the fact that the rules have always been extremely lax and open to interpretation, this obsession on whether someone else’s title counts goes on. The emphasis here is supposed to be on having fun and that quickly diminishes when we’re all policing each other.
Yeah, upping it to the 55 or 60 minute mark would satisfy some, but it would also infuriate others. All that would accomplish is more countless debates over what counts and the cycle continues on. The fact of the matter is we will NEVER agree on a running time as a group. And honestly, why should anyone give a damn if a fellow participant watches something that you don't feel is an appropriate running time? Just enjoy yourself and don't worry about what others watch. Looking back in retrospect, I should have never added that rule because it has created some major problems.
2. No prize for the most watched.
Now I don't necessarily agree that the prize situation was the sole contributor of last years problems, although I can understand the reasoning behind removing this prize. This just ensures us that the person who watches the most of anyone is doing it because they want to and not because of a prize involved.
Also keep in mind I am NOT discouraging anyone from surpassing the 100 mark and hitting higher numbers. If you have 500 horror films lying around and feel like watching them all then go for it. There's a good possibility I'll personally watch more than the 153 from last year. Just don't make the assumption that anyone who surpasses 100 is doing it purely for competitive reasons or for a prize. Don't forget in the first year the 200 mark was surpassed and there weren't any prizes whatsoever involved. Most of us are just huge horror fans with a shitload of titles and this is our excuse to watch them. Just wanted to make that clear. :)
Of course there's still going to be prizes and probably just as many as last year. The only difference is they will all be randomly drawn for anyone who hits or surpasses the 100 mark with the exception of the new one for the most impressive list. And we'll all decide on that one when it's over.
I apologize for not putting this to a vote, but this needed to be done. The bottom line is I'm going to enjoy myself this year and will not let a repeat of last year happen.
That's all cool. I did want to state for the record (and so I don't look like a troublemaker.) a couple things. I've spent the last few days re-reading the last two years of threads for the challenges and the pre-challenge threads and there was not a single fight over running times. Back in 2006 when I first proposed a template for future challenges (it was 8-9 days into the 2006 challenge, so they wouldn't have counted that year), I brought up the idea along with a few others (like the Wild Cards-so we had a choice over watching Charlie Brown or other things). Most kind of ignored it or took it casually. There were those that were against it, but no fights. The next year (2007) it was brought up for poll vote before the challenge and was turned down and not brought up again until almost two weeks after the challenge. The fights were over 4 or 5 people challenging the sheer numbers on each other's lists. We were shut down a couple times and had a few warnings. Maybe eleven days after the challenge, the running time thing was brought up and was actually received much more warmly as a way for prevent more arguments, but it was never actually an argument in of itself. A few of the current opposers were actually kind of for it, but now have reverted. I'm not sure why it became such a divisive issue this time, though. Sometimes it's hard to tell what's fighting and what's just debate. I don't think there's anything wrong with trying to persuade, but there are ways to respond and not let it get to the level of fighting.
Anyway, I hope we can all have fun this year and not let the competitiveness get the best of us. I personally can't wait.
edwardnortonfan
09-16-08, 02:29 PM
The fights were over 4 or 5 people challenging the sheer numbers on each other's lists. We were shut down a couple times and had a few warnings.
*whistles and tries to look innocent*
That was a nightmare. I admit I went too far, I just felt really attacked when people challenged my numbers and I felt like I had to defend myself. I was going to bring this up before, how those were the fights I remember and I don't remember anyone fighting about film running times last year, but I didn't want to ignite the infighting again by mentioning the fight, since I was one of the people who got the thread closed in the first place (um...oops).
So no, I don't remember there being this much fighting about running times in previous years, but I think the moral of the story is that horror fanatics are crazy and we'll fight about anything. :nopanic:
A side note about Les Vampires. I obtained it last year because I was trying to complete Trevor's additional challenge list, and to do so we were asked to try and find horror films made before 1920, so I went to a horror movie board that I frequent and inquired about horror movies made before 1920 and someone brought up "Les Vampires" without giving me any information about it, and a friend of mine was hanging out with me at the time, and he read the post over my shoulder and mentioned that he had a copy of "Les Vampires" and he gave it to me to watch (just the one burned disc with the first episode). I talked to him yesterday and he said "Yeah, I only gave you the first episode, I thought you knew that." How in hell would I know that? I admit, I should have looked up the movie, but if I were handing someone a copy of the first episode in a film series they'd just heard of, I'd mention that there were a bunch of other films in the series. I really feel like a tool. I didn't want to mention that it was a burned disc and not a public domain collection because then I'd have to admit I was a douchenozzle and didn't bother to look up any info about the movie before I listed it, but I suppose it's too late now to avoid looking dumb. I apologize for that debacle, everyone.
How awesome would it be if instead of watching a Uwe Boll film for the challenge, we had to watch a Ulli Lommel movie? I've never made it all the way through one of his movies. I think I'd rater drive a rusty railroad spike through my eye than have to watch one of his movies in its entirety.
Darth Maher
09-16-08, 03:49 PM
How awesome would it be if instead of watching a Uwe Boll film for the challenge, we had to watch a Ulli Lommel movie? I've never made it all the way through one of his movies.
I never made it to any Uwe Boll's movies last year. I'm going to attampt to watch HOUSE OF THE DEAD (the regular version) this year.
LickTheABCs
09-16-08, 04:49 PM
If October doesn't come soon, I'm bout to get REAL pissed.
The Monkees
09-16-08, 05:10 PM
If October doesn't come soon, I'm bout to get REAL pissed.
More than half way there!
Numes
09-16-08, 08:02 PM
I'm not even a horror nut like many of you in this challenge, and I can't wait!
My goal is 31 movies and that would be, by far, the most I've watched in a month. I've watched a lot of TV shows in a month that *may* be equivalent to 31 movies, but never even close to 31 movies.
I can't even fathom 100 movies in a month, let alone...what was it, 333 last year?!? The one thing I have going for me is that I have to take a week of vacation that first week in October, so I will have 3 free weekdays to get a good start. 4-5 hours a night is not much time to get movies in on the working weekdays.
caligulathegod
09-16-08, 09:52 PM
A side note about Les Vampires. ...
I hope I made it clear that that whole bit was absolutely nothing personal. It's just that this is the internet and people jump all over anything they can to be pedantic, no matter how minor. Again, my apologies. Friends?
Wow, I live in Columbus Ohio and my cable and internet have been out since Sunday thanks to Hurricane Ike of all things. I'm lucky to live in a sweet spot in that power is out all around me (including the cable relay that feeds me). I even had to buy a chainsaw today to clear up tree branches that have fallen in my yard. Jeesh. Now sure would have been a good time to have started watching the horror films since I don't have any TV.
Chad
09-16-08, 10:06 PM
I don't think there's anything wrong with trying to persuade, but there are ways to respond and not let it get to the level of fighting.
I agree, but sometimes you shouldn't push those boundaries...especially when you're dealing with psychotic horror fans! :eek:
And just for the record, it was nothing against your proposal for initiating a 60-minute rule nor was I implying that you were the culprit in anything. The whole discussion on running times was running rampant and about to form it's own universe! Again, I'd just like everyone to have fun with this and not constantly worry about what does and doesn't technically qualify as a feature-length film. And having any rule (IMO) regarding the running time seems to bring up the same old discussion where nothing really ever gets resolved. In fact, the other day I was browsing a couple of other sites with semi-similar challenges and there were no time rules in place because the topic was never even brought up from what I saw.
BTW, you're the most persistent person I've encountered on DVDTalk and I honestly admire that. Seriously. But seriously, the 60-minute thing was getting a tad annoying. :D Anyway, regardless of whether the rule has contributed to any past problems or not, I'd like to eliminate anything that might possibly lead us down the wrong path and spill over into the challenge. Just taking precautions. Hopefully you're getting the general gist of this too-much-coffee-influenced jumble of words that I'm obviously not conveying very well.
I apologize for that debacle, everyone.
You are forgiven. -pray- Now, let's move on from the past....
Numes
09-16-08, 10:19 PM
BTW, you're the most persistent person I've encountered on DVDTalk and I honestly admire that.
:lol: I think I would have chosen the word "respect" instead of "admire," but truer words have never been spoken. I'm just waiting for the day that I agree on something 100% with caligulathegod...that may be the sign of the apocalypse ;)
caligulathegod
09-17-08, 01:25 AM
Considering this is the same site where people came to blows over Laura Harring's cooch being blurred out in that David Lynch movie... That's saying something.
I wouldn't call it persistence. You do realize if all my suggestions were taken at face value then everything would be lollipops and sugarplum dreams and the challenges would run flawlessly and everyone would proclaim from hither and yon that the Horror Challenge is the bestest of all the challenges.
Ironically, I gave in almost a week ago. I just had to say something because I made an effort to stay out of all the fights last year and somehow I was getting lumped in with them. Oh well.
edwardnortonfan
09-17-08, 08:25 AM
Oh for Pete's sake, I wasn't fighting, I just thought my friend's comment about Les Vampires was funny. I wasn't trying to drag anything up, I was just sharing and I figured since it seemed like we'd all moved on and there wasn't any more fighting no one would get pissy with me for mentioning that I talked to my friend about the movie to figure out what happened. My bad. I'll never mention anything from the past ever again.
So no takers on the Ulli Lommel suggestion?
clckworang
09-17-08, 11:42 AM
Having never participated in this before, I'm really starting to look forward to next month. I even told a couple of my friends about it so they could get on board and watch some horror flicks with me.
Giles
09-17-08, 01:14 PM
Oh for Pete's sake, I wasn't fighting, I just thought my friend's comment about Les Vampires was funny. I wasn't trying to drag anything up, I was just sharing and I figured since it seemed like we'd all moved on and there wasn't any more fighting no one would get pissy with me for mentioning that I talked to my friend about the movie to figure out what happened. My bad. I'll never mention anything from the past ever again.
So no takers on the Ulli Lommel suggestion?
I had a total mental fart as to who this was - oh der, the director of 1980 'Boogeyman' movie
edwardnortonfan
09-17-08, 01:35 PM
I had a total mental fart as to who this was - oh der, the director of 1980 'Boogeyman' movie
Yeah, he's made lots of classics of modern cinema since then *vomits* I've never been able to finish one of his movies.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0518579/
People say Boll is bad, but I liked "Seed," and "Bloodrayne" was dumb fun. I can't find anything good about Lommel's movies.
Trevor
09-17-08, 02:38 PM
<s>We still need a few of last year's winners to make their selections. I've emailed or PMed all of them, but haven't heard from a few. Forgive me if I missed your reply or post.</s>
Watch these 31 films on the listed day, with group discussion starting the next morning. Or don't watch them but still join the discussion. All films are the original versions only of course.
Nosferatu http://planetsmilies.net/vicious-smiley-1796.gif
Shadow of the Vampire
Suspiria
Nightmare on Elm Street http://planetsmilies.net/angry-smiley-8029.gif
Night of the Living Dead :consume:
The Shining
Re-Animator
Creature from the Black Lagoon (chosen by vote <s>last year's winner ViewAskewbian</s>)
The Devil's Rejects (chosen by FusionX)
Rosemary's Baby http://planetsmilies.net/person-smiley-9828.gif
Texas Chainsaw Massacre :chainsaw:
Freaks
Friday the 13th http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/sports/hockeyplayer.gif
The Wolf Man (this is October's Full Moon) http://planetsmilies.net/person-smiley-1357.gif
Claw of Terror (chosen by Mister Peepers) youtube link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUo7CPcNeuY)
Manos: The Hands of Fate (chosen by steelpotato) :tinfoil:
The Exorcist http://planetsmilies.net/vomit-smiley-17155.gif
The Invisible Man http://planetsmilies.net/person-smiley-9851.gif
Hard (chosen by edwardnortonfan)
Aprils Fool's Day (chosen by wlverinefactor)
The Thing
Evil Dead http://planetsmilies.net/not-tagged-smiley-10675.gif
Psycho http://planetsmilies.net/not-tagged-smiley-10659.gif
The Mummy http://planetsmilies.net/person-smiley-1351.gif
The Pit and the Pendulum (chosen by Dimension X)
Horror of Dracula (chosen by Crazee4DVDs) http://planetsmilies.net/person-smiley-1056.gif
The Innocents (chosen by <s>EdTheRipper/</s>Giles)
Black Sunday (chosen by Chad) http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/transport/blimp.gif
Dracula
Frankenstein :frankie:
Halloween http://smilies.vidahost.com/otn/holiday/pain7.gif
Trevor
09-17-08, 02:46 PM
The DVDTalk October Horror Challenge Expanded Checklist/Bingo Card
Watch one film from every decade of film history.
--- 1890 - (insert film title here)
--- 1900 -
--- 1910 -
--- 1920 -
--- 1930 -
--- 1940 -
--- 1950 -
--- 1960 -
--- 1970 -
--- 1980 -
--- 1990 -
--- 2000 -
Watch a film for each rating:
--- Unrated (pre-MPAA) - (insert film title here)
--- G -
--- PG -
--- PG-13 -
--- R -
--- NC-17 -
--- X (not porn; several horror films were rated X) -
--- Unrated (post-MPAA) -
Watch a film starring:
--- Bela Lugosi - (insert film title here)
--- Lon Chaney Sr. -
--- Boris Karloff -
--- Lon Chaney Jr. -
--- Vincent Price -
--- Peter Cushing -
--- Christopher Lee -
--- Robert Englund -
--- Bruce Campbell -
--- Jamie Lee Curtis -
Watch films in at least two languages other than English.
--- First language, (insert language), (insert title).
--- Second language, (insert language), (insert title).
Watch a film in each of the following subgenres/types:
--- Vampire - (insert film title here)
--- Frankenstein -
--- Werewolf -
--- Mummy -
--- Invisible Man -
--- Ghost/haunting -
--- Witchcraft/satanic/religious -
--- Zombie -
--- Slasher/psycho/homicidal maniac -
--- Monster/creature feature/Godzilla -
--- Documentary -
--- Musical -
--- Spoof/comedy -
--- Revenge -
--- Killer/evil doll -
--- Killer/evil animal -
--- Killer/evil child -
--- Giallo -
--- J horror -
--- MST3K/rifftrax/CT -
--- film and its remake -
--- based on a video game -
--- based on a novel -
--- directed by Herschell Gordon Lewis or Uwe Boll or Ulli Lommel -
--- won an Academy Award -- any category -
--- silent film -
--- Criterion version film -
--- with commentary -
--- film and at least two of its sequels -
--- anthology film -
--- takes place on a holiday -
--- takes place in space -
--- takes place on or under the sea -
--- animated film -
--- called "Night of ..." -
--- called "Return of ..." -
--- called "Revenge of ..." -
--- called "Attack of ..." -
--- with the words "Living Dead" in the title -
(One film could fill multiple items. Example: Dracula would fill one for decade, rating, actor, vampire, based on novel, and maybe others as well.)
(Use a * to mark first time viewings.)
(Change "---" to "-X-" or some similar mark when you have completed that line item.)
(First one to fill in all the blanks wins a random DVD from Trevor, possibly other prizes as well.)
Dimension X
09-17-08, 03:15 PM
We still need a few of last year's winners to make their selections. I've emailed or PMed all of them, but haven't heard from a few. Forgive me if I missed your reply or post.
Watch these 31 films on the listed day, with group discussion starting the next morning. Or don't watch them but still join the discussion.
25. (to be chosen by Dimension X)
In the other thread I asked people to vote for one of five Vincent Price films, and The Pit and the Pendulum won.
Trevor
09-17-08, 03:21 PM
In the other thread I asked people to vote for one of five Vincent Price films, and The Pit and the Pendulum won.
Doh! I knew I missed at least one of you in these various threads. Thanks.
edwardnortonfan
09-17-08, 03:24 PM
--- Watch a film directed by Herschell Gordon Lewis or Uwe Boll or Ulli Lommel.
Or watch films by all three and wish you were dead. :nopanic:
Actually, HGL isn't bad (especially compared with the other two).
alfonsosoriano
09-17-08, 04:16 PM
I am oh so excited for October. :D
Chad
09-17-08, 05:40 PM
I was just about to bring both of these up...
28. (to be chosen by Chad)
Don't worry, it's coming. I'm just very indecisive and wanna make sure it's a damn good one. :)
And regarding the checklist, how about adding:
--- "Giallo" under horror subgenres
--- Watch an anthology film
edwardnortonfan
09-17-08, 06:16 PM
Trevor, how about adding "killer/evil child" to the checklist under the subgenre heading?
riotinmyskull
09-17-08, 06:16 PM
even though i'm not doing it...we really need that list to be complete soon so people can place orders online or get their netflix queue in order.
Chad
09-17-08, 07:07 PM
Just please hold tight for another day because I was planning on bringing up the prize situation tomorrow.
Well, a week later...
So far SpaceBoy and edwardnortonfan have said they're willing to donate something. Thanks again.
If anyone else has a horror DVD or just something horror-related that you'd be willing to donate it would be greatly appreciated. It doesn't have to be brand spanking new, but preferably in very good condition. You can PM me directly or post in this thread ...just please don't reveal what it is here. I'd like to keep it secretive up until the very end.
I'll be donating something again this year as well. (HINT: It will not be a $25 Amazon GC. :D )
The random drawings (held via Random.org) will be held for those at 100 or over after the challenge is over. Duh. And the same goes for the voting on the person with the most impressive list. I'll then pair up the winners with the donators (again, via Random.org) and you can then swap your info through PMs. And obviously you'll have to be responsible for covering the shipping charges.
Last year 27 people hit or exceeded the century mark, just to give you an idea of what to expect.
Thanks.
Dimension X
09-17-08, 07:13 PM
even though i'm not doing it...we really need that list to be complete soon so people can place orders online or get their netflix queue in order.
Agreed. If ViewAskewbian and wlverinefactor don't check in with Trevor in the next day or two, he should reassign their spots to someone else (or Trevor could just pick the films for those days since it's his baby).
Doc Moonlight
09-17-08, 07:36 PM
Can we substitute a film with Uli Lommel instead of "by" Uli Lommel? TENDERNESS OF THE WOLVES is pretty good.
Trevor
09-17-08, 07:59 PM
Can we substitute a film with Uli Lommel instead of "by" Uli Lommel? TENDERNESS OF THE WOLVES is pretty good.
I think the point is that it has to be a bad film. Not just bad, but gut wrenchingly bad. So bad that you're ashamed to watch it. So bad that you send the family away, close the blinds, turn off your wireless network just in case someone is snooping, don't eat for hours beforehand because it may make you vomit, so bad that even contemplating watching it makes you want to rip up the entire checklist and go do something else.
NoirFan
09-17-08, 10:31 PM
I think the point is that it has to be a bad film. Not just bad, but gut wrenchingly bad. So bad that you're ashamed to watch it. So bad that you send the family away, close the blinds, turn off your wireless network just in case someone is snooping, don't eat for hours beforehand because it may make you vomit, so bad that even contemplating watching it makes you want to rip up the entire checklist and go do something else.
Andy Milligan it is then! Though I think that Vapors is some sort of masterpiece.
Dimension X
09-17-08, 10:42 PM
Andy Milligan it is then!
:lol::up:
Though I think that Vapors is some sort of masterpiece.
The only movies of his I've seen are The Body Beneath (watched it during the '06 challenge), The Ghastly Ones , and Seeds of Sin.
I'd love to see The Rats Are Coming! The Werewolves Are Here! The title alone makes me want to see it, but I've seen the trailer several times and it doesn't look that bad.
NoirFan
09-17-08, 10:50 PM
The only movies of his I've seen are The Body Beneath (watched it during the '06 challenge), The Ghastly Ones , and Seeds of Sin.
If you're in an open minded mood, you should really check out Vapors, it's on the DVD of The Body Beneath. It's not a horror film at all, just a short, rather unsettling piece of underground cinema about the goings on at a gay bathhouse in the 1960's.
I'd love to see The Rats Are Coming! The Werewolves Are Here! I've seen the trailer several times, and that title never fails to crack me up.
Fantastic title! "I've got some bad news, and some worse news....." I highly recommend Jimmy McDonough's superb Milligan biography, The Ghastly Ones: The Sex-Gore Netherworld of Filmmaker Andy Miligan (http://www.amazon.com/Ghastly-One-Sex-Gore-Netherworld-Filmmaker/dp/1556524951/ref=ed_oe_p). It's a funny, sad, moving book that is as much about the sordid world of Times Square as it as about Milligan's films. A really fascinating read, easily worth the $5.09 it costs on Amazon.
Dimension X
09-17-08, 10:59 PM
If you're in an open minded mood, you should really check out Vapors, it's on the DVD of The Body Beneath. It's not a horror film at all, just a short, rather unsettling piece of underground cinema about the goings on at a gay bathhouse in the 1960's.
Thanks. I just grabbed my copy of The Body Beneath and sure enough there it is. :doh:
I guess I skipped it thinking I'd go back and watch it after the horror challenge and forgot all about it. I'll check it out.
Darth Maher
09-17-08, 11:25 PM
In the other thread I asked people to vote for one of five Vincent Price films, and The Pit and the Pendulum won.
Just got my copy. I'm all ready to go on this one, as well as many of the others on the list. Now finding the time to watch these all and keep up with the list... now therein lies the "challenge".
Trevor
09-17-08, 11:47 PM
And regarding the checklist, how about adding:
--- "Giallo" under horror subgenres
--- Watch an anthology film
Done, along with Japanese horror.
Trevor, how about adding "killer/evil child" to the checklist under the subgenre heading?
Done. Meant to do that last year, think you mentioned it then, sorry.
NoirFan
09-17-08, 11:56 PM
Trevor, how about adding "killer/evil child" to the checklist under the subgenre heading?
I want to check "Bloody Birthday" out! They used to have it at my old run down video store, but no more, and I missed my chance to see it. But then, I've wanted to see "The Ghastly Ones" for years, too. Is it really that bad?
I don't remember what I watched last year when I decided to unofficially add "evil/killer child" to my list, but I love horror movies with evil kids...I love kids, but they freak me out sometimes. My friend's son is adorable, but sometimes he does this evil, wicked laugh and it gives me chills. Secretly, I think he is hellspawn.
Giles
09-18-08, 08:39 AM
If you're in an open minded mood, you should really check out Vapors, it's on the DVD of The Body Beneath. It's not a horror film at all, just a short, rather unsettling piece of underground cinema about the goings on at a gay bathhouse in the 1960's.
double bill that with It Came from the Pink Lagoon - which is a riot btw.
edwardnortonfan
09-18-08, 08:41 AM
I think the point is that it has to be a bad film. Not just bad, but gut wrenchingly bad. So bad that you're ashamed to watch it. So bad that you send the family away, close the blinds, turn off your wireless network just in case someone is snooping, don't eat for hours beforehand because it may make you vomit, so bad that even contemplating watching it makes you want to rip up the entire checklist and go do something else.
This is how Lommel's Black Dahlia made me feel. That and this horrid little piece of trash called "Dark Fields." Halfway through, I screamed for someone to take it out because I couldn't stand it anymore, and this is coming from someone who watched and enjoyed "Avia: Vampire Hunter" all the4 way through, so it's saying something when even I can't finish a movie.
Giles
09-18-08, 08:51 AM
but the thing with Uwe Bolls movie's is that he knows how to pace a movie, no matter how bad it is, their's always something going on, nudity, violence, an attempt at humour. He knows how to milk a film for what's it's worth, 'House of the Dead' if viewed as a comedy, works, 'Bloodrayne' in unrated form is just over the top and features an ending that defies description: highlights all the gore.
edwardnortonfan
09-18-08, 01:59 PM
but the thing with Uwe Bolls movie's is that he knows how to pace a movie, no matter how bad it is, their's always something going on, nudity, violence, an attempt at humour. He knows how to milk a film for what's it's worth, 'House of the Dead' if viewed as a comedy, works, 'Bloodrayne' in unrated form is just over the top and features an ending that defies description: highlights all the gore.
I didn't mind House of the Dead, at east not as much as most people seemed to, and I liked BloodRayne.
NoirFan
09-18-08, 05:14 PM
double bill that with It Came from the Pink Lagoon - which is a riot btw.
Triple bill it with the gay biker flick Pink Angels. Hell, throw on Pink Narcissus and make an utterly fabulous night of it.
Mister Peepers
09-18-08, 05:37 PM
I didn't mind House of the Dead, at east not as much as most people seemed to, and I liked BloodRayne.
I've hear people say Postal wasn't that bad, for what it is.
LickTheABCs
09-18-08, 05:54 PM
If you're going to watch an Uwe movie, watch "Seed" .. It's probably his best flick, it's a straight up "horror" movie, there's at least one good kill (a hammer is involved) and lots of footage of animals being mutilated.
..and "Postal" was fun. Just don't go in expecting it to be, ya'know, good.
shadokitty
09-18-08, 09:58 PM
Ok, been doing this the last few years. I'm in again. While I'd love to hit the 100 mark, I don't see it happening, so I'll just set my personal goal at 31. I figure one a day I can do, and if I surpass it, all the better. DVDs, Sci Fi, and Chiller should all help me out.
DeathDealer476
09-18-08, 10:16 PM
1st post. 1st time particpating.
Count me in.
HORROR IS ME.
My GOAL: 20-30
Trevor
09-18-08, 10:45 PM
Welcome to the forum DeathDealer476, and to the challenge. Interesting sig. Usually when I see people praising QT that much, they are the type of people who wouldn't watch a film from the other directors you list. Good list, I like eclectic.
Trevor
09-19-08, 09:17 AM
Agreed. If ViewAskewbian and wlverinefactor don't check in with Trevor in the next day or two, he should reassign their spots to someone else (or Trevor could just pick the films for those days since it's his baby).
Both appear to still be active in the forum, but I don't think either has posted in this thread. They've ignored two PMs each, so maybe we need to move on without them.
My personal thoughts, since this is the first year of this optional subset, is to stick to the "classic" theme. In later years, if this continues, we could have different themes, all-time favorites, or whatever. So I'm leaning towards putting another Universal Horror (sorry) like Creature from the Black Lagoon and/or The Invisible Man. I'm sure I'm forgetting some "classics" though, so please suggest away.
Chad
09-19-08, 02:18 PM
You may have noticed I've made my selection:
Black Sunday
So, I'm running a 10-miler last night for relaxation purposes (and prepare for a 10K) and literally hundred of horror titles were going through my head. Everything from Fulci to Argento to Deodata to Miike to Polanski to Dreyer to Del Toro to Naschy, etc. Anyway, it always came back to Bava ...specifically Black Sunday. And the funny thing is, that was my first choice back when Trevor first brought this whole thing up. I was originally intending on going with something a little less mainstream and more on the obscure side. But, just like Tom Savini said - "Black Sunday is the Citizen Kane of horror films." and gutwrencher, if he were here, would agree with that sentiment. Can't argue with that, right?
Sorry for the holdup. Hope no one blew a gasket. http://www.fangoria.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/zombie.gif
Trevor
09-19-08, 02:32 PM
Looks like a great choice Chad. Very ashamed to admit that I've never seen it, or any Bava. I've only recently snapped out of modern age American centrism in my movies, but am slowly realizing that older and foreign films will soon dominate my favorite lists.
On the expanded checklist, I've been tweaking it to make it a little more organized and coherent. Also have re-shuffled the 31 days list slightly.
NoirFan
09-19-08, 04:31 PM
I'm sure I'm forgetting some "classics" though, so please suggest away.
We need a Val Lewton in there - I Walked with a Zombie or Cat People. The original Haunting would be a solid choice too, or Eyes Without a Face.
Buy: