Previous thread: Here (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=533344&page=33)

Resume.

Just to pick up the conversation where it left off in the last thread: I agree that McCain's VP pick was surprising. But now that's been officially announced we can end the guesswork and get on with the campaign.

Just to pick up the conversation where it left off in the last thread: I agree that McCain's VP pick was surprising. But now that's been officially announced we can end the guesswork and get on with the campaign.

I agree, Zell Miller? I guess McCain is going for the AARP-campaign.

Just to pick up the conversation where it left off in the last thread: I agree that McCain's VP pick was surprising. But now that's been officially announced we can end the guesswork and get on with the campaign.
We probably need to allow for at least some time for folks to respond before we lock this up and return to the general election thread part one billion. Point taken though.

And I thought the press going ga-ga over the Vice Prez Democratic pick was exciting (if eventually anti-climatic).
:hscratch: What does this have to do with the climate?
I noticed who perked up when climate was mentioned. ;)

CNBC reports it is Palin:

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, a self-styled "hockey mom" who has only been governor for a little over a year, is GOP Presidential candidate John McCain's choice for Vice President, CNBC has learned.

According to a Republican strategist, Palin is the nominee, though McCain's campaign has not comfirmed this.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/26454655

Odd that MSNBC has not picked up on that yet.

Odd that MSNBC has not picked up on that yet.


They're still wiping down the studios after Obama's speech last night.

Or, in order to attempt to scoop everybody, CNBC is just reporting rumor as fact.

So if it is indeed Palin, then that pretty much dashes any of Obama's hope that he could pull off a win there. At the same time, Obama's choice of Biden sows up Delaware for him (not that there was much chance of it going for McCain). They're trading 3-electoral-vote states, basically. This is the weirdest fucking election I've ever lived through :lol:

CNN says its Governor Palin, but ABC says Governor Palin is in Alaska, not Ohio.

WHO WILL IT BE!?!?!?!?

So if it is indeed Palin, then that pretty much dashes any of Obama's hope that he could pull off a win there. At the same time, Obama's choice of Biden sows up Delaware for him (not that there was much chance of it going for McCain). They're trading 3-electoral-vote states, basically. This is the weirdest fucking election I've ever lived through :lol:

If the McCain campaign is picking Governor Palin because they think they need to shore up Alaska, they might as well pack it in. If Governor Palin is the nominee, it's because they think they can make a play for disaffected middle-aged women.

Well, it could've been worse I guess... she's conservative enough to appease the base, while generating surprise buzz and speculation on whether she'll draw any of Clinton's supporters... whether that translates to any votes or not will be seen.

So Alaska isn't usually a Republican state? I guess I always assumed it was...

If the McCain campaign is picking Governor Palin because they think they need to shore up Alaska, they might as well pack it in. If Governor Palin is the nominee, it's because they think they can make a play for disaffected middle-aged women.

Oh, I wasn't suggesting that he would pick her for that reason. Just commenting on the absurd side-effect of picking running mates from Alaska and Delaware.

intrade still has palin. i think palin is a good political pick. shores up the base and is unknown enough to draw media attention for a while and take it off obama
.

Palin would be a fantastic pick at this point. Not that I would want her to be president.

Doesn't picking Palin take away McCain's main criticism of Obama (inexperience)?

yesterday my friends were saying how funny it is that if mccain picks a chick hicks are probably sitting back thinking they could have a black president or woman vp...they'd prefer the woman only if she was hot. does previously being a beauty pagent contestant count? ;)

Doesn't picking Palin take away McCain's main criticism of Obama (inexperience)?

Maybe if the ticket were reversed.

Doesn't picking Palin take away McCain's main criticism of Obama (inexperience)?

You tell me who has more experience... Palin or Obama.

Next question... Obama or Biden.

Next question Obama or McCain.

These all add up to "Take the one with the boobs!"

intrade still has palin. i think palin is a good political pick. shores up the base and is unknown enough to draw media attention for a while and take it off obama
.

Not to mention that it would drive the PUMA's insane.

Also funny... McCain likes to say he was never "Miss Congeniality."

Palin WAS Miss Congeniality. You can count on hearing that repeatedly if she is named.

Not to mention that it would drive the PUMA's insane.
PUMA is dead. For all the whining and complaining, they folded like a cheap lawn chair.

Like I suggested in the previous thread....except for the fact that it does nothing to influence the electoral map, it's a very good, if not great, pick by McCain. Because she is an unknown, it instantly shifts discussion away from Obama's speech and toward the GOP. It solidifies the GOP base. It shows that the GOP is moving into the 21st century. She's easy on the eyes. It helps McCain with the married-female vote, which is the key demographic.

palin is supposedly in Alaska right now still .:(

Like I suggested in the previous thread....except for the fact that it does nothing to influence the electoral map, it's a very good, if not great, pick by McCain. Because she is an unknown, it instantly shifts discussion away from Obama's speech and toward the GOP. It solidifies the GOP base. It shows that the GOP is moving into the 21st century. She's easy on the eyes. It helps McCain with the married-female vote, which is the key demographic.

Spot on. :up:

If it is Palin, expect the pick to be attacked due to her lack of experience, and her willingness to abandon her newborn diagnosed with Down's syndrome to run. She is NOT going to win any votes with married-female voters.

I noticed who perked up when climate was mentioned. ;)
I had to say something. :)

You tell me who has more experience... Palin or Obama.

Next question... Obama or Biden.

Next question Obama or McCain.

These all add up to "Take the one with the boobs!"
This is the kind of "straight talk" we've been hoping for from Thor Simpson all along.

-other-

Fox News (TV) is reporting that Palin is confirmed to be the VP nominee.

God, this is like the worst game of Clue ever.

If it is Palin, expect the pick to be attacked due to her lack of experience, and her willingness to abandon her newborn diagnosed with Down's syndrome to run. She is NOT going to win any votes with married-female voters.


The GOP would love to see that kind of attack. :lol:

Like I suggested in the previous thread....except for the fact that it does nothing to influence the electoral map, it's a very good, if not great, pick by McCain. Because she is an unknown, it instantly shifts discussion away from Obama's speech and toward the GOP. It solidifies the GOP base. It shows that the GOP is moving into the 21st century. She's easy on the eyes. It helps McCain with the married-female vote, which is the key demographic.

so you're saying it wont be her

This is bar none the most ridiculous thing I've read. My wife and other women I know are VERY excited about this pick, and they don't view it like that at all. They are impressed at her drive to be a leader of this country, and she can be that AND a mother.

What a fucking sexist thing to say, this incenses me.
Incense away. That issue is going to be raised.

Like I suggested in the previous thread....except for the fact that it does nothing to influence the electoral map, it's a very good, if not great, pick by McCain. Because she is an unknown, it instantly shifts discussion away from Obama's speech and toward the GOP. It solidifies the GOP base. It shows that the GOP is moving into the 21st century. She's easy on the eyes. It helps McCain with the married-female vote, which is the key demographic.
:up: Saved me a lot of typing.

I think the pick makes McCain look reckless.

CNN says it's official. McCain/Palin.

I think the pick makes McCain look reckless.
McCain makes McCain look reckless.

This is a pretty smart pick I think. I don't know if the disaffected Hillary supporters are going to vote for McCain because of Palin though. Hillary is probably going to have to stump for Obama some more to make sure they don't flip. Anyway, this is going to be a historic election no matter who wins. Either a black President or a woman VP. It's about time.

Going with a younger VP candiate is smart. Going with a younger WOMAN VP candidate is brilliant.

Obama and his staff have got to be pissed. The disenfranchised Hillary voters now have another reason to vote for McCain.

If it is Palin, expect the pick to be attacked due to her lack of experience, and her willingness to abandon her newborn diagnosed with Down's syndrome to run. She is NOT going to win any votes with married-female voters.
:lol: The one sure way to assure McCain the majority of married female's votes would be for the Dems to try to make the argument that working moms are "abandoning" their kids.

Does this pick effectively take abortion (and SCt Justices) off the table - at least as an issue for Democrats to use? How can you raise the issue of abortion when the opponent features a woman who has 5 children, including one with Down's Syndrome, where she decided to go through with the pregnancy after prenatal testing result.

Does this pick effectively take abortion (and SCt Justices) off the table - at least as an issue for Democrats to use? How can you raise the issue of abortion when the opponent features a woman who has 5 children, including one with Down's Syndrome, where she decided to go through with the pregnancy after prenatal testing result.

I don't see how.

Does this pick effectively take abortion (and SCt Justices) off the table - at least as an issue for Democrats to use?
Sure they have a great comeback line, but that's not going to change the opinions of millions of Americans who are Pro-Choice.

:lol: The one sure way to assure McCain the majority of married female's votes would be for the Dems to try to make the argument that working moms are "abondoning" their kids.
Those attacks are NOT going to come from the Obama campaign itself, but from the likes of Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, and the other talking heads in the media.

And it is NOT going to be the argument that all working Moms are abandoning their kids, but that this particular mom, with 5 children, one being a special needs newborn, is. To claim that being Vice President is the same as working in a real estate office, or working at Walmart is pretty silly.

Sure they have a great comeback line, but that's not going to change the opinions of millions of Americans who are Pro-Choice.


That's not what I asked. I didn't ask if it would change votes. I don't think it would. I asked if it would be used as an issue by Democrats.

Those attacks are NOT going to come from the Obama campaign itself, but from the likes of Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, and the other talking heads in the media.

And it is NOT going to be the argument that all working Moms are abandoning their kids, but that this particular mom, with 5 children, one being a special needs newborn, is. To claim that being Vice President is the same as working in a real estate office, or working at Walmart is pretty silly.
I dunno. I don't think the Dems need to "go there" so to speak. Attack her for her policies, not abandoning her kids. It's not going to end well for that line of attack.

That's not what I asked. I didn't ask if it would change votes. I don't think it would. I asked if it would be used as an issue by Democrats.It will stay the same sort of issue it's always been - a targeted issue used mainly for fundraising.

TTo claim that being Vice President is the same as working in a real estate office, or working at Walmart is pretty silly.


You're right. It is silly. There is more work to be done in the real estate office and Walmart. ;)

Obama and his staff have got to be pissed. The disenfranchised Hillary voters now have another reason to vote for McCain.

These people aren't normal DEM voters anyway.

So will Sarah Palin fill the "attack dog" role of veep-nominee like Sen Biden?

Very interesting pick -- surprising actually since the McCain campaign seems to be wobbling forward so far.

Sorry, this has a Harriet Miers stench to it.

That's not what I asked. I didn't ask if it would change votes. I don't think it would. I asked if it would be used as an issue by Democrats.
Maybe, but was it ever a big issue to begin with at least for Dems? It's MUCH higher on Republicans' lists and the Dems usually tiptoe around it anyway. It's not high on the average American's list of priorities.

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/1839/abortionpollse3.jpg

Maybe if the ticket were reversed.

You seriously don't think its an issue with a 72 year old candidate?

The Republicans just lost the experience gap.

Sorry, this has a Harriet Miers stench to it.


Would you have said that about any woman picked?

Unlike Harriet Miers, who was essentially Bush's lawyer and had done very little of note as a lawyer, I don't see an existing close connection between Palin and McCain.

:lol: at me for saying it wasn't going to be someone unconventional in the other thread.

In my defense, I did post a photo of her from her beauty pageant days a while back. :(

MILF!

Now there is no way McCain could lose the election.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Palin1.JPG

Worst. VP. Pick. EVER.

Somewhere, Dan Quayle is smiling.

WTF was McCain thinking? This combined with Obama's speech last night? You just lost the election, Johnny Boy.

Maybe, but was it ever a big issue to begin with at least for Dems?


Did you not follow recent SCt confirmation hearings?

Should make the VP debate interesting.

Too bad Tina Fey isn't on SNL anymore.

Did you not follow recent SCt confirmation hearings?
Is it a big election issue for Dems? As big as the economy or Iraq?

You seriously don't think its an issue with a 72 year old candidate?

The Republicans just lost the experience gap.

True. If Biden is smart, he'll be all over this point in the debate.

Is it a big election issue for Dems? As big as the economy or Iraq?


It's an issue that I think is traditionally raised (unfortunately). As big as the others? No.

If Biden is smart
Uh oh.

This was a very smart pick, and takes the "historic election" element out of the sole possession of the Democrats.

Horrible pick. A previous poster was right about the experience argument being lost.

I find this woman disturbing already (which means the Jesus Freaks probably will not).

Exhibit 1: "Palin gave birth to her second son, Trig Paxson Van Palin, who has Down syndrome.[15] She returned to the office three days after giving birth."

3 days??? -eek- Sounds a little psycho-Katherine-Harris to me.

Exhibit 2: "Palin refused to let the results of prenatal genetic testing change her decision to have the baby."

Sure. Someone else will take care of the kid. I'm back in the Gov's office in 3 days. Maybe it's just me, but isn't this the sort of thing they DO prenatal testing to detect?

It's an issue that I think is traditionally raised (unfortunately). As big as the others? No.
Yes for the Supreme Court it will be huge as always. The 800 lb Gorilla in the room that nobody wants to talk about directly.

Shocking - CRM called it horrible. :lol:

http://www.chugachpeaks.com/images/Blog/120801.JPG

Worst. VP. Pick. EVER.

Somewhere, Dan Quayle is smiling.

WTF was McCain thinking? This combined with Obama's speech last night? You just lost the election, Johnny Boy.

Dan Quayle is pretty smart. He's been working for Cerebrus Capital for a long time.

Shocking - CRM called it horrible. :lol:

Her credentials are astounding.

Palin holds a bachelor's degree in journalism from the University of Idaho where she also minored in politics.

:lol:

And it is NOT going to be the argument that all working Moms are abandoning their kids, but that this particular mom, with 5 children, one being a special needs newborn, is.

Yeah, it's too bad she's a single mother, otherwise she could have her husband look after the kids, which would make all the feminists go, "You show them how it's done, sistah!"

Oh, wait:

Her husband, Todd, is a Native Yup'ik Eskimo.[4] Outside the fishing season, Todd works for BP at an oil field on the North Slope[5] and is a champion snowmobiler, winning the 2000-mile "Iron Dog" race four times.

So she can impress the feminists and her husband appeals to the NASCAR folks.

McCain can no longer attack Obama with the experience card. He just picked a VP nominee who is a first term governor of a state with 600,000 people with no foreign policy experience.

Gilf

Her husband is an Eskimo named Todd? :lol:

Her husband is an Eskimo named Todd? :lol:

That is awesome!

Wow.

Even money says Joe Biden makes her cry at the VP debate.

Wow.

Even money says Joe Biden makes her cry at the VP debate.
:lol:

Todd The Eskimo Goes Quantity Surveying

Her husband is an Eskimo named Todd? :lol:

You racist. -ohbfrank-



;)

Judging by some of the reactions here, I'm loving this pick. :up:

Her husband is an Eskimo named Todd? :lol:http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/ap/f3618682-b235-4119-b00f-89569b6cfc4c.hmedium.jpg

Funny, he doesn't look Eskimo. (Spaceballs)

McCain can no longer attack Obama with the experience card. He just picked a VP nominee who is a first term governor of a state with 600,000 people with no foreign policy experience.
Gilf
You just blew your first argument out of the water with the second post. :lol:

Actually it doesn't invalidate what you said, I just forgot what you said before that.

Looks like he lost the celebrity argument too. Give me a BREAK! This is a joke, right?

http://tkbb.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/sarah_palinv.jpg

Sorry, this has a Harriet Miers stench to it.

that's what I thought too.

She under state investigation involving the firing of Public Safety Commissioner.

http://www.ktva.com/ci_10026165

She has more successful experience than Obama

Also, except for Ron Paul, I've never seen a politician who attacked her own party this much. Regardless of one's political affiliation, I think one has to give her a lot of credit for these things:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

Palin served two terms on the Wasilla City Council from 1992 to 1996. In 1996, she challenged the incumbent mayor, criticizing wasteful spending and high taxes.[4] The ex-mayor and sheriff tried to organize a recall campaign, but failed.[4] Palin kept her campaign promises, reducing her own salary, as well as reducing property taxes by 60%.[4] She ran for reelection against the former mayor in 1999, winning by an even larger margin.[4][13] Palin was also elected president of the Alaska Conference of Mayors.[7]

Governor Murkowski appointed Palin Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission,[14] where she served from 2003 to 2004 until resigning in protest over what she called the "lack of ethics" of fellow Alaskan Republican leaders, who ignored her whistleblowing complaints of legal violations and conflicts of interest.[4] After she resigned, she exposed the state Republican party's chairman, Randy Ruedrich, one of her fellow Oil & Gas commissioners, who was accused of doing work for the party on public time, and supplying a lobbyist with a sensitive e-mail.[15] Palin filed formal complaints against both Ruedrich and former Alaska Attorney General Gregg Renkes, who both resigned; Ruedrich paid a record $12,000 fine.[4]

Highlights of Governor Palin's tenure include a successful push for an ethics bill, and also shelving pork-barrel projects supported by fellow Republicans. Palin successfully killed the Bridge to Nowhere project that had become a nationwide symbol of wasteful earmark spending.[9][16] "Alaska needs to be self-sufficient, she says, instead of relying heavily on 'federal dollars,' as the state does today."[10]

She has challenged the state's Republican leaders, helping to launch a campaign by Lieutenant Governor Sean Parnell to unseat U.S. Congressman Don Young[17] and publicly challenging Senator Ted Stevens to come clean about the federal investigation into his financial dealings.[9]

In 2007, Palin had an approval rating often in the 90s.[10]

http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/ap/f3618682-b235-4119-b00f-89569b6cfc4c.hmedium.jpg

Funny, he doesn't look Eskimo. (Spaceballs)

I've got nothing against MacMan's pic. I don't know anything about her and I'm sure she's a capable person.

But I'm just sayin'....

rotfl

http://www.imagechicken.com/uploads/1220023553092928100.jpg (http://www.imagechicken.com)

She has more successful experience than Obama

Yeah, running a moose lodge. This is the real world.

Wow.

Even money says Joe Biden makes her cry at the VP debate.I doubt she will cry her eyelashes (http://www.nbc5.com/politics/17333163/detail.html) off though...

Wow.

Even money says Joe Biden makes her cry at the VP debate.

Even money that if Joe Biden pisses her off, she knock his useless ass down and guts him like a moose.

Alaska chicks are not shrinking violets.

Hasn't she had some ethic problems in Alaska?

Andrea Mitchell tried to bring this up on MSNBC and Chuck Todd shot it down -- Palin found out her brother-in-law, who was a state trooper, was beating her sister, and had him fired. As Todd pointed out, that's the sort of ethics violation people can get behind.

A real world where Barack Obama has experience running......well, nothing. Unless you count the Harvard Law Review.

I think because of McCain's age, she will be looked at a lot more closely than Biden, at least I will be.

This is the weirdest fucking election I've ever lived through :lol:

We are in agreement, sir.

Yeah, running a moose lodge. This is the real world.

I'm sorry, but of the four, name the one with any kind of executive experience.

Palin's former chief of staff serves as Ted Stevens' campaign manager.

http://www.chugachpeaks.com/images/Blog/120801.JPG

America's Hottest Governor? Obviously, these people have never heard of Sonny Purdue.

I think this pick is going to do Senator McCain a lot more harm than good in the long run.

I think because of McCain's age, she will be looked at a lot more closely than Biden, at least I will be.


I know I'll be looking at her a lot more than Biden. ;)

I think because of McCain's age, she will be looked at a lot more closely than Biden, at least I will be.

I know I'll look at her a lot more closely. :eyebrow:

I think this pick is going to do Senator McCain a lot more harm than good in the long run.



Now I know for sure it was a very good pick.

I think because of McCain's age, she will be looked at a lot more closely than Biden, at least I will be.

Yes... she will be looked at more closely than Biden... because of... McCain's age... riiiight. ... ... ... [shakes head] Sorry, what?

Quote:
Originally Posted by B5Erik
Obama and his staff have got to be pissed. The disenfranchised Hillary voters now have another reason to vote for McCain.

These people aren't normal DEM voters anyway.

Yes, they are.

Wow.

Even money says Joe Biden makes her cry at the VP debate.

Dana Bash on CNN just called him a "master debater". :lol:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a142/Bronkster/120801.jpg


http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a142/Bronkster/whistling.gif

Yeah, running a moose lodge. This is the real world.

Yeah, that stuff about taking down the corrupt leadership of her own party isn't notable at all.

Just saw this site linked from the Agitator:

http://www.vpilf.com/

:lol:

A real world where Barack Obama has experience running......well, nothing. Unless you count the Harvard Law Review.

Put it this way, his experience runs a bit deeper than Moosejaw, AL and Bumfuck, ID. :lol: She has a journalism degree though. Woohoo. Give her the football!

I will also add that I think that instead of selecting her to be his Vice President, Senator McCain should have selected Governor Palin as his Secretary of Silly Walks.

Now I know for sure it was a very good pick.


considering I'm usually wrong with everything I predict, I will say here and now that McCain will win and I will go now to bet my house on it.

Judging by some of the reactions here, I'm loving this pick. :up:
:lol: And it just keeps looking better and better.

Dana Bash on CNN just called him a "master debater". :lol:And if Gov Palin is a "cunning linguist" then we will have the veep-innuendo 1-2. :D

Now I know for sure it was a very good pick.

So do I.

Put it this way, his experience runs a bit deeper than Moosejaw, AL and Bumfuck, ID. :lol: She has a journalism degree though. Woohoo. Give her the football!Who smacks of elitism now? :lol:

considering I'm usually wrong with everything I predict, I will say here and now that McCain will win and I will go now to bet my house on it.
I feel a lot better about Obama now.

Who smacks of elitism now? :lol:
rotfl
This is great. :up:

I'm sorry, but of the four, name the one with any kind of executive experience.

The population of ALASKA is the size of a Northeastern city suburb. Executive "experience" is mythical especially when the scope of the experience is marginal.

Now I know for sure it was a very good pick.

:lol:

If I hadn't already made up my mind on the pick, that for sure did.

Good times!

She has more successful experience than Obama

Also, except for Ron Paul, I've never seen a politician who attacked her own party this much. Regardless of one's political affiliation, I think one has to give her a lot of credit for these things:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

Palin served two terms on the Wasilla City Council from 1992 to 1996. In 1996, she challenged the incumbent mayor, criticizing wasteful spending and high taxes.[4] The ex-mayor and sheriff tried to organize a recall campaign, but failed.[4] Palin kept her campaign promises, reducing her own salary, as well as reducing property taxes by 60%.[4] She ran for reelection against the former mayor in 1999, winning by an even larger margin.[4][13] Palin was also elected president of the Alaska Conference of Mayors.[7]

Governor Murkowski appointed Palin Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission,[14] where she served from 2003 to 2004 until resigning in protest over what she called the "lack of ethics" of fellow Alaskan Republican leaders, who ignored her whistleblowing complaints of legal violations and conflicts of interest.[4] After she resigned, she exposed the state Republican party's chairman, Randy Ruedrich, one of her fellow Oil & Gas commissioners, who was accused of doing work for the party on public time, and supplying a lobbyist with a sensitive e-mail.[15] Palin filed formal complaints against both Ruedrich and former Alaska Attorney General Gregg Renkes, who both resigned; Ruedrich paid a record $12,000 fine.[4]

Highlights of Governor Palin's tenure include a successful push for an ethics bill, and also shelving pork-barrel projects supported by fellow Republicans. Palin successfully killed the Bridge to Nowhere project that had become a nationwide symbol of wasteful earmark spending.[9][16] "Alaska needs to be self-sufficient, she says, instead of relying heavily on 'federal dollars,' as the state does today."[10]

She has challenged the state's Republican leaders, helping to launch a campaign by Lieutenant Governor Sean Parnell to unseat U.S. Congressman Don Young[17] and publicly challenging Senator Ted Stevens to come clean about the federal investigation into his financial dealings.[9]

In 2007, Palin had an approval rating often in the 90s.[10]



Now, compare that to Obama's waste, curruption, and cronyism.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/obama-earmarks-wife-s-employer-big-donor

Obama Earmarks For Wife’s Employer, Big Donor

Fri, 03/14/2008 - 16:00 — Judicial Watch Blog

Barack Obama touts himself as the only presidential candidate not corrupted by Washington politics but his earmark record contradicts that because he tried steering millions of federal dollars to his wife’s employer and the company of a top campaign donor.

Recently released earmarks reveal that the Democratic presidential candidate requested $1 million for the hospital that employs his wife Michelle and $8 million for a military contractor with a board member who has given hefty sums to his campaign.

The $1 million was requested in 2006 to build a new pavilion at the University of Chicago Hospitals, where Michelle Obama was vice president of community affairs. Michelle had already benefited from her husband’s flourishing political career with a huge salary increase that went from $121,910 in 2004 before he was elected to the Senate to $316,962 in 2005 just after he took office.

Obama requested the $8 million for weapons technology manufactured by a big defense contractor (General Dynamics) with very close ties to a major fundraiser named James Crown, a billionaire who also serves on the company’s board. Crown is also on Obama’s national finance committee.

The good senator also got nearly $1 million federal dollars for the renovation of a space center named after Crown’s grandfather, Henry, at Chicago’s Museum of Science and Industry. A complete list of Obama’s earmark record has been posted on his web site.

Why does everyone think that McCain is going to die soon? Is 72 really "near death?"

Richard Nixon died when he was 81. Gerald Ford lived to 93. Jimmy Carter is still going strong at the age of 84. Reagan lived to 93. GHW is still going strong at the age of 84.

I don't know for certain, but I'd imagine the healthcare of a sitting US president is pretty top-notch.

She has more successful experience than Obama

Also, except for Ron Paul, I've never seen a politician who attacked her own party this much. Regardless of one's political affiliation, I think one has to give her a lot of credit for these things:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

Palin served two terms on the Wasilla City Council from 1992 to 1996. In 1996, she challenged the incumbent mayor, criticizing wasteful spending and high taxes.[4] The ex-mayor and sheriff tried to organize a recall campaign, but failed.[4] Palin kept her campaign promises, reducing her own salary, as well as reducing property taxes by 60%.[4] She ran for reelection against the former mayor in 1999, winning by an even larger margin.[4][13] Palin was also elected president of the Alaska Conference of Mayors.[7]

Governor Murkowski appointed Palin Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission,[14] where she served from 2003 to 2004 until resigning in protest over what she called the "lack of ethics" of fellow Alaskan Republican leaders, who ignored her whistleblowing complaints of legal violations and conflicts of interest.[4] After she resigned, she exposed the state Republican party's chairman, Randy Ruedrich, one of her fellow Oil & Gas commissioners, who was accused of doing work for the party on public time, and supplying a lobbyist with a sensitive e-mail.[15] Palin filed formal complaints against both Ruedrich and former Alaska Attorney General Gregg Renkes, who both resigned; Ruedrich paid a record $12,000 fine.[4]

Highlights of Governor Palin's tenure include a successful push for an ethics bill, and also shelving pork-barrel projects supported by fellow Republicans. Palin successfully killed the Bridge to Nowhere project that had become a nationwide symbol of wasteful earmark spending.[9][16] "Alaska needs to be self-sufficient, she says, instead of relying heavily on 'federal dollars,' as the state does today."[10]

She has challenged the state's Republican leaders, helping to launch a campaign by Lieutenant Governor Sean Parnell to unseat U.S. Congressman Don Young[17] and publicly challenging Senator Ted Stevens to come clean about the federal investigation into his financial dealings.[9]

In 2007, Palin had an approval rating often in the 90s.[10]

Plus, when she came into office, one of her first acts was to put an executive jet purchased with state money by the previous governor (Murkowski) up for sale on ebay(which sold for a profit.)

Alaska governor to sell predecessor’s jet on eBay

Published On 14th December 2006 @ 09:05 In Internet, Internet | No Comments

Palin said in a statement the purchase of the corporate-style jet was impractical and unwise. Her news release, issued late on Tuesday, was accompanied by a photograph of the plane and a person holding a sign that reads: “For Sale by Owner: The People of Alaska.”

Murkowski ordered the $2.7 million Westwind II jet over the objections of much of the public and the state Legislature. Even the Department of Homeland Security denied him a grant to buy the aircraft.

Eventually, the former governor tapped into a discretionary account to make the purchase, which he said was necessary to provide speedy and comfortable travel. Alaska took delivery of the plane last year.

“It’s time to get rid of it,” said Palin, who took office earlier this month. “I am keeping my promise not to set foot on the jet.”

Critics complained the jet, which must land on long paved runways, was of little use in much of rural Alaska, where airplanes often must land on short gravel airstrips, lakes or even glaciers.

Murkowski, who consistently ranked as one of America’s least-popular governors, lost a re-election bid when he finished a distant third to Palin in the Republican gubernatorial primary in August.

The winning entry in a Anchorage radio station contest last year to name the jet was “Bald Ego” — a reference to Murkowski’s reputation for arrogance.

Other suggestions included “Murky’s Turkey,” “Second Terminator” and, in a reference to Murkowski’s complaint the no-frills turboprop used by previous governors lacked a bathroom, “Incontinental Airlines.”

Link (http://news.soft32.com/print.php?p=3041)

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9689/alaskagovernorjetqq1.jpg

I'm beginning to love this woman. She emphasize the empty suit qualities of the other three. :lol:

Put it this way, his experience runs a bit deeper than Moosejaw, AL and Bumfuck, ID. :lol: She has a journalism degree though. Woohoo. Give her the football!

What does Alabama have to do with any of this?

A real world where Barack Obama has experience running......well, nothing. Unless you count the Harvard Law Review.


Yep.

As I proved in post 87, Palin has way more experience than Obama.

Put it this way, his experience runs a bit deeper than Moosejaw, AL and Bumfuck, ID. :lol: She has a journalism degree though. Woohoo. Give her the football!


And who says that Democrats aren't elitists. :lol:

For all the talk by Democrats about education and how everyone should have college opportunities, if this is your attitude to institutions of higher learning outside a precious few (probably all in PA and Harvard), then why should we bother with providing such opportunities?

JasonF's comment is understandable. He was hoping McCain would choose Ridge or Lieberman. That would all but insure an Obama victory in November.

this didn't take long

http://www.vpilf.com/

grundle has been sighted doing back flips in his house. It's true.

Who smacks of elitism now? :lol:

Did I ever say I was NOT an elitist? :lol:

She hunts, eats moose hamburger, ice fishes, rides snowmobiles, and owns a float plane. Palin holds a lifetime membership with the National Rifle Association.
Dare I say...the perfect woman?

The way a presidency ages you, McCain will be pushing 90 in 2 years:D

What does Alabama have to do with any of this?

Owned! :lol:

JasonF's comment is understandable. He was hoping McCain would choose Ridge or Lieberman. That would all but insure an Obama victory in November.

It would have been over today. I had the screen up - I was ready, locked, and loaded to bet on Obama were it to happen.

rotfl
This is great. :up:

What's great? You people should by now that I'm an elitist bastard. Well, if elitist means skeptical of small town folks and jesus freaks.

this didn't take long

http://www.vpilf.com/
Bah, those aren't new pics. I want to see some swimsuit pics to judge for sure. Or do they wear swimsuits in Alaska? :hscratch:

The population of ALASKA is the size of a Northeastern city suburb. Executive "experience" is mythical especially when the scope of the experience is marginal.

Her executive experience is still greater than Obama's or Biden's.

You will agree with that, won't you?

This certainly took all the media attention away from Obama on the day after his acceptance speech BUT McCain and the Republicans are going to have to live with this choice until the election, good or bad.

The only way McCain could have gotten this much attention was to either pick a woman or one of pro-choice alternatives mentioned (Lieberman or Ridge). There was no way McCain would risk a revolt in the party by picking someone pro-choice so Lieberman and Ridge are out, as is Kay Bailey Hutchinson. He couldn't pick Meg Whitman or Carly Fiorina because they have absolutely no experience in government. So, that leaves him with Palin.

The Republicans can spin this as more proof that McCain is such a maverick but, gender aside, this is just another conservative Republican. If McCain was truly a maverick, he would have picked Lieberman or Ridge because they are the best choices and let the strident pro-life faction deal with it.

What does Alabama have to do with any of this?

See? Alaska is so irrelevant, I don't even know what the proper abbreviation is. ;)

Just saw this site linked from the Agitator:

http://www.vpilf.com/

:lol:

Ha ha!

Her executive experience is still greater than Obama's or Biden's.

You will agree with that, won't you?
She's governed more square miles than all 3 men put together. -eek-

What's great? You people should by now that I'm an elitist bastard. Well, if elitist means skeptical of small town folks and jesus freaks.
Don't you have to be elite to be an elitist? :P
Is she a jesus freak? I haven't seen any evidence to suggest she is, unless being pro-life means you are a jesus freak. :lol:

Why does everyone think that McCain is going to die soon? Is 72 really "near death?"

People should be more concerned about his mother.

(Okay, I'll admit, I think he could die. I really do).

this didn't take long

http://www.vpilf.com/

Quicker than you'd think (see post #107). :)

JasonF's comment is understandable. He was hoping McCain would choose Ridge or Lieberman. That would all but insure an Obama victory in November.

:shrug: I think the selection of Governor Palin takes away Senator McCain's ability to attack Senator Obama on the experience gap (grundle's valiant efforts to portray Governor Palin as a seasoned politician notwithstanding). It also puts Senator McCain's age right back on the table. It's also a double-down on energy issues, though I'm not sure which candidate that helps. Finally, it's a shameless play to electoral demographics, which could very well backfire if enough people recognize it as such. Put another way, does anybody really think a Vice President Palin would help a President McCain govern more effectively than would any of his other potential running mates?

Bah, those aren't new pics. I want to see some swimsuit pics to judge for sure. Or do they wear swimsuits in Alaska? :hscratch:

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/7210/palinxa3.jpg

Come on vin. Drop the Obamatization and get Palinized! :drool:

And who says that Democrats aren't elitists. :lol:

For all the talk by Democrats about education and how everyone should have college opportunities, if this is your attitude to institutions of higher learning outside a precious few (probably all in PA and Harvard), then why should we bother with providing such opportunities?

I speak for Democrats?

My "attitude" to toward institutions of higher learning is the same as many employers. There are quality tiers. An undergrad degrees from the University of Idaho is enough to get a job managing a Dunkin' Donuts but I'm not sure about VP. Call me crazy. Or an elitist. I don't give a rat's ass.

Why does everyone think that McCain is going to die soon? Is 72 really "near death?"

Richard Nixon died when he was 81. Gerald Ford lived to 93. Jimmy Carter is still going strong at the age of 84. Reagan lived to 93. GHW is still going strong at the age of 84.

I don't know for certain, but I'd imagine the healthcare of a sitting US president is pretty top-notch.

Those guys were out of office at that point, not dealing with the day to day grind.

JasonF, you aren't one small bit willing to admit that Palin might actually have more experience than Obama, are you?

:shrug: I think the selection of Governor Palin takes away Senator McCain's ability to attack Senator Obama on the experience gap (grundle's valiant efforts to portray Governor Palin as a seasoned politician notwithstanding). It also puts Senator McCain's age right back on the table. It's also a double-down on energy issues, though I'm not sure which candidate that helps. Finally, it's a shameless play to electoral demographics, which could very well backfire if enough people recognize it as such. Put another way, does anybody really think a Vice President Palin would help a President McCain govern more effectively than would any of his other potential running mates?



You completely ignored the effect it will have on the base, which to this point, has been McCain's biggest problem. This was a political pick, as is every running mate pick, Obama's included; not a governing one.

:shrug: I think the selection of Governor Palin takes away Senator McCain's ability to attack Senator Obama on the experience gap (grundle's valiant efforts to portray Governor Palin as a seasoned politician...

Just as picking someone who has been a Washington insider since Nixon was President flushed any "hope for change" gap?

The last major party VP nominee with less than two years of experience in statewide or federal office was Spiro Agnew in 1968. Agnew had been elected as Maryland's governor in 1966 and inaugurated on Jan. 25, 1967; Richard Nixon chose him to be his running mate in August, 1968. Agnew's previous experience had been at the county level. Palin was elected Alaska's governor in 2006 and was inaugurated on Dec. 4, 2006. Palin's previous experience has been at the city level.

What's great? You people should by now that I'm an elitist bastard. Well, if elitist means skeptical of small town folks and jesus freaks.

You are skeptical of small town folks?

other than executing retards and running oil companies into the ground, what experience did GWB have?

Her executive experience is still greater than Obama's or Biden's.

You will agree with that, won't you?

Yes, she vetoed a dirt road. Obama, Biden and McCain dealt with global issues.

You are skeptical of small town folks?
You must be new here. ;)

vpilf

I'm so sick of politcal correctness: "Look how progressive I am! I chose a WOMAN!" He should have picked Joe Lieberman...

Yes, she vetoed a dirt road. Obama, Biden and McCain dealt with global issues.


What has that have to do with your comment about her executive experience.

Just answer the question - does she have more executive experience than either Obama or Biden?

Yes, she vetoed a dirt road. Obama, Biden and McCain dealt with global issues.

What global issue has Obama dealt with? rotfl

Don't you have to be elite to be an elitist? :P
Is she a jesus freak? I haven't seen any evidence to suggest she is, unless being pro-life means you are a jesus freak. :lol:

"Palin, who was also the head of the school Fellowship of Christian Athletes, would lead the team in prayer before games."

:shrug:

What global issue has Obama dealt with? rotflWhat side of the family to visit over the holidays? ;)

You are skeptical of small town folks?
We've had some pretty damn good presidents come from small towns.

JasonF, you aren't one small bit willing to admit that Palin might actually have more experience than Obama, are you?

In number of years in elected office? Sure. Governor Palin's got Senator Obama beat 16 to 12. But Senator Obama's got more experience dealing with national issues. And I'm not sure that being the mayor of a town like Wasilla really prepares you for running the United States of America.

Palin:
4 years on the Wasilla, AK (population: 5,469) city council
10 years as mayor of Wasilla, AK
2 years as Governor of Alaska

Obama:
8 years in the Illinois State Senate
4 years in the United States Senate

You completely ignored the effect it will have on the base, which to this point, has been McCain's biggest problem. This was a political pick, as is every running mate pick, Obama's included; not a governing one.

Yep. Which is also why Senator Biden doesn't really help Mr. Obama with his lack of experience. It will be Senator McCain vs. Senator Obama. And while I don't like the good Senator from Arizona all that much, I like the odds of that one on one battle.

In number of years in elected office? Sure. Governor Palin's got Senator Obama beat 16 to 12. But Senator Obama's got more experience dealing with national issues. And I'm not sure that being the mayor of a town like Wasilla really prepares you for running the United States of America.

Palin:
4 years on the Wasilla, AK (population: 5,469) city council
10 years as mayor of Wasilla, AK
2 years as Governor of Alaska

Obama:
8 years in the Illinois State Senate
4 years in the United States Senate



Irrelevant. It's McCain vs. Obama.

"Palin, who was also the head of the school Fellowship of Christian Athletes, would lead the team in prayer before games."

:shrug:
FCA is a distinguished program that's been around for 50 years and does a shitload for communites. If that makes one a Jesus freak then I'd love to become one.

JasonF, you aren't one small bit willing to admit that Palin might actually have more experience than Obama, are you?

She's a 1.5 year governor, correct?

Since Agnew has been brought into the conversation - when was the last sitting senator elected president?

Hint - it was the first time I vote for president.

Plus, when she came into office, one of her first acts was to put an executive jet purchased with state money by the previous governor (Murkowski) up for sale on ebay(which sold for a profit.)



Link (http://news.soft32.com/print.php?p=3041)

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9689/alaskagovernorjetqq1.jpg

I'm beginning to love this woman. She emphasize the empty suit qualities of the other three. :lol:

Yes, that's another great example.

I think it is kind of silly to pick someone that has been in the middle of an investigation for abuse of power for the past couple of months. She is accused of having a guy fired for refusing to firing a trooper that was dating or married to her sister. Given the current situation this type of baggage is not needed.

I'm sure he will pull the pumas over to him but they were going for him any way. I don't see how this pick will help him with anyone that is concerned with more than having
someone on the ticket with a vagina.

The only bright side I see is that she is so new she would have little power unless McCain dies.

hmmmmm this must be a fake out. This is to stupid to be real.

http://i35.tinypic.com/332p89z.jpg
This pic reminds me of an NBC reporter in the '80s & '90s.
She wore glasses and her last name started with "E"? :confused:

Since Agnew has been brought into the conversation - when was the last sitting senator elected president?

Hint - it was the first time I vote for president.


Franklin Pierce?

What global issue has Obama dealt with? rotfl

There's a group of people -- I think there are 100 of them -- in Washington D.C. who deal with global issues on a fairly regular basis. It's got some funny Roman-sounding name. I forget exactly what it's called, but Biden and Obama (and McCain!) have been known to hang out there from time to time.

You must be new here. ;)

:lol:

Yes, especially when they line the streets with American flags.

What global issue has Obama dealt with? rotfl

You are familiar with the United States Senate, are you not? Wow.

There's a group of people -- I think there are 100 of them -- in Washington D.C. who deal with global issues on a fairly regular basis. It's got some funny Roman-sounding name. I forget exactly what it's called, but Biden and Obama (and McCain!) have been known to hang out there from time to time.



:lol:
But one of them not so much.

Her credentials are astounding.

Palin holds a bachelor's degree in journalism from the University of Idaho where she also minored in politics.

:lol:Good God!

She may be somewhat normal.

We've had some pretty damn good presidents come from small towns.

Sure that went on to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Oxford ...

She's a 1.5 year governor, correct?

Which is still more executive experience than Obama or Biden has.

Probably more than McCain has. He wife runs things. ;)

FCA is a distinguished program that's been around for 50 years and does a shitload for communites. If that makes one a Jesus freak then I'd love to become one.

Who gives a shit. I'm talking about the irrational behavior of worshipping the supernatural.

There's a group of people -- I think there are 100 of them -- in Washington D.C. who deal with global issues on a fairly regular basis. It's got some funny Roman-sounding name. I forget exactly what it's called, but Biden and Obama (and McCain!) have been known to hang out there from time to time.


Please. Voting on an issue is a far cry from dealing with an issue, and that's assuming that Obama is there to vote on an issue to begin with. ;)

Sure that went on to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Oxford ...I guess I forgot that Lincoln and Truman went to Ivy League schools.

Who gives a shit. I'm talking about the irrational behavior of worshipping the supernatural.

So you won't be voting for the new messiah then?

Please. Voting on an issue is a far cry from dealing with an issue, and that's assuming that Obama is there to vote on an issue to begin with. ;)

That's absurd.

Who gives a shit. I'm talking about the irrational behavior of worshipping the supernatural.

Oh boy. Here we go. rotfl

Her credentials are astounding.

Palin holds a bachelor's degree in journalism from the University of Idaho where she also minored in politics.

:lol:

I hope you are not hoping this election comes down to credentials. :lol:

Sure that went on to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Oxford ...
Which one of those did Harry Truman go to?
Your favorite president George W Bush is a Yale grad. :up: to him!

I guess I forgot that Lincoln and Truman went to Ivy League schools.

Had to go back pretty far, huh? Nice job though.

:lol:
But one of them not so much.

In 2008, Senator Obama voted more often than Senator McCain, despite the fact that Senator McCwain had his nomination locked up three months before Senator Obama did.

Who gives a shit. I'm talking about the irrational behavior of worshipping the supernatural.
I'm glad you aren't voting for Obama then. :up:

The rest of the country doesn't have your warped and borderline bigoted view about religion so it won't be an issue for Governor Palin.

Which one of those did Harry Truman go to?
Your favorite president George W Bush is a Yale grad. :up: to him!

Another guy picking Truman from the entire 20th century. :lol:

Yes, she vetoed a dirt road. Obama, Biden and McCain dealt with global issues.

She is far more prinicpled than any of them. If any of them is going to be in the Whitge House, I want it to be her.

I think this Palin pick is a bold one, and an exciting one. I'll have to hear her speak more before I know whether it is truly a good one. I think we're all caught up in the moment here. But it's a good moment. :)

Harry Truman was born in a small town.

He never went to Harvard, Princeton, or Oxford.

I think some would argue that he made a damn good president.

I'm glad you aren't voting for Obama then. :up:

The rest of the country doesn't have your warped and borderline bigoted view about religion so it won't be an issue for Governor Palin.

Why is calling religion "worshipping the supernatural" warped or bigoted? Yes, you are correct. Most of the country has been indoctrinated into some organized religion. Good for you! Good for your team!

Another guy picking Truman from the entire 20th century. :lol:
And it proved your point invalid.

Harry Truman was born in a small town.

He never went to Harvard, Princeton, or Oxford.

I think some would argue that he made a damn good president.


He wasn't born in nor lived in PA, so he fails the CRM test.

Harry Truman was born in a small town.

He never went to Harvard, Princeton, or Oxford.

I think some would argue that he made a damn good president.

:lol:

In number of years in elected office? Sure. Governor Palin's got Senator Obama beat 16 to 12. But Senator Obama's got more experience dealing with national issues. And I'm not sure that being the mayor of a town like Wasilla really prepares you for running the United States of America.

Palin:
4 years on the Wasilla, AK (population: 5,469) city council
10 years as mayor of Wasilla, AK
2 years as Governor of Alaska

Obama:
8 years in the Illinois State Senate
4 years in the United States Senate

So you're saying that Obama's 0 years of leadership somehow trumps Palin's 12 years of leadership (at whatever level) how?

Another guy picking Truman from the entire 20th century. :lol:


Give it up. You've lost the two points you've attempted to make in this thread.

Why is calling religion "worshipping the supernatural" warped or bigoted? Yes, you are correct. Most of the country has been indoctrinated into some organized religion. Good for you! Good for your team!
I'm not getting into a religious debate with you, but from your posts that what I've gathered. Too bad.

Since Agnew has been brought into the conversation - when was the last sitting senator elected president?

Hint - it was the first time I vote for president.


JFK, which is why I figured it would never happen this year.

So we're getting either a black president or a female VP

I'm not getting into a religious debate with you, but from your posts that what I've gathered. Too bad.

Because I call supernatural worship into question is warped? Got it. Those Scientologists must be right!

Good God!

She may be somewhat normal.


See - there's good normal (Biden) and bad normal (Palin). ;)

So you're saying that Obama's 0 years of leadership somehow trumps Palin's 12 years of leadership (at whatever level) how?

I didn't know you had to be the chief executive of something to be considered a leader.

Being the mayor of a town with fewer people than my freshman class does not qualify you to be the President in any meaningful way. But I guess you see things differently if you've been Palinized. ;)

Had to go back pretty far, huh? Nice job though.Yes, I had to go back pretty far to find a good president. Although Ike was from a small town and went to West Point, and LBJ was from a wide spot in the road and went to San Marcos State Teachers College. and of course Yorba Linda/Whittier College is a dynamite combination too.

No, I simply picked an obvious and glaring example of why you were wrong.

Who gives a shit. I'm talking about the irrational behavior of worshipping the supernatural.


:lol: You retard. Is there a single candidate in this race that doesn't prfess that? This is so stupidly biased because the only way you can rationalize this is to tell yourself, "Yeah, but Obama, like Clinton, didn't really believe it." So now you have your own little cognitive dissonance to keep the brain from cracking.

:lol: Yes, Truman invalidated my entire point. Because my point was that EVERY president went to an ivy league school.

Because I call supernatural worship into question is warped? Got it. Those Scientologists must be right!
Yeah that's all you do. :lol:

But this isn't the thread, anyway.

this thread = http://www.macsparky.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/train-wreck-782867.jpg

Yes, I had to go back pretty far to find a good president. Although Ike was from a small town and went to West Point, and LBJ was from a wide spot in the road and went to San Marcos State Teachers College. and of course Yorba Linda/Whittier College is a dynamite combination too.

No, I simply picked an obvious and glaring example of why you were wrong.

Yes, because West Point is a safety school. :lol:

http://web.me.com/dnksr/vpilf.com/SARAH_PALIN__Vice_President_Nominee/Media/sarah_palin.jpg

Id hit

Yeah that's all you do. :lol:

But this isn't the thread, anyway.

Waaah, CRM114 doesn't believe in the bullshit I believe in.

:lol: You retard. Is there a single candidate in this race that doesn't prfess that? This is so stupidly biased because the only way you can rationalize this is to tell yourself, "Yeah, but Obama, like Clinton, didn't really believe it." So now you have your own little cognitive dissonance to keep the brain from cracking.


:lol::thumbsup:

So we're getting either a black president or a female VP

Huge year in history no matter how you look at it. :up:

:lol: Yes, Truman invalidated my entire point. Because my point was that EVERY president went to an ivy league school.No, your point was that any decent president who grew up in a small town was redeemed by an Ivy league/Oxbridge education. Because otherwise, they'd be nothing more than a rube.

Waaah, CRM114 doesn't believe in the bullshit I believe in.
And I'm happy you don't :)
But I'll drop it. I wouldn't want you to take your ball and go home for a few months like last time. :lol:

This emphasis on graduating from an Ivy is a riot. Virtually all of our non-Clinton presidents who served time in the Ivies were there because they were legacies, not because of some extraordinary intellectual skills. In terms of IQ/academic accomplishments (perhaps not the best test of a President, but still), Clinton's probably the smartest we've had since at least Lincoln. Not that it helped him much politically.

And for the record, this Harvard grad would rather have a sitting governor who made her political name by alienating and exposing the corruption of members of her own party than any of the hollow-eyed b-school or law students stumbling around the Kremlin on the Charles.

See? Alaska is so irrelevant, I don't even know what the proper abbreviation is. ;)

Hey, I am an Alaskan, buddy! ;) Surprisingly, several people I work with are PISSED that she's the nomination. They really can't stand her. I think the issue is with the firing of Alaska's Commissioner of Public Safety because he wouldn't fire a State Trooper who was in a dispute with his wife (Palin's sister) I don't know if he was beating her or not, I honestly haven't followed the story. But several of them think she's abusing her power as governor. I figured they'd be happy to be rid of her then by voting for McCain.

:lol: Yes, Truman invalidated my entire point. Because my point was that EVERY president went to an ivy league school.

Finally you've got it. You've admitted your point was invalid.

The forum is happy. :)

****Harvard name dropping****

In 2008, Senator Obama voted more often than Senator McCain, despite the fact that Senator McCwain had his nomination locked up three months before Senator Obama did.

True enough and a fair point. However, I don't think missing 50% of your votes in your only term in Congress, including some quite important votes, is a good sign of 'taking on national issues.'


Hey, at least it was better than what he did in Illinois.

this didn't take long

http://www.vpilf.com/


Heh heh heh.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

Sarah Palin

External links

* Alaska Office of Governor Sarah Palin
* Almanac of American Politics profile
* VPILF: Sarah Palin for Vice President website

Is there a single candidate in this race that doesn't prfess that? This is so stupidly biased because the only way you can rationalize this is to tell yourself, "Yeah, but Obama, like Clinton, didn't really believe it." So now you have your own little cognitive dissonance to keep the brain from cracking.Honestly, I'd have a lot easier time believing that McCain is faking his piety than I would Obama. But then I think about those five years in the prison cell, and I have a hard time imaging someone could do that without having tremendous religious conviction. Maybe it was his patriotism that helped him through it all, but for myself, I could never muster up that much patriotism. Religious faith, no problem.

:shrug:

I didn't know you had to be the chief executive of something to be considered a leader.

Being the mayor of a town with fewer people than my freshman class does not qualify you to be the President in any meaningful way. But I guess you see things differently if you've been Palinized. ;)

Being in the senate (either state or federal) gives you the protection of the herd.

To quote the former mayor of my city (who I had beers with at Rollies' last week), "When you're in the front in a small town, any response is immediate. You know who loves or hates your ass when you walk down the street."

Of course,my current mayor owns the local garage, and I can bend his ear when I go in to have my truck worked on. I love small cities. :lol:

Of course there was another former mayor who was a complete fucktard. He was sure that he knew what was better for everyone. Funny thing is,he only lasted one term and moved away after he was monkey stomped in the next election.
He actually said, "I guess normal people don't know what is best for them."

Moran.

It's Mc-c-c-c-cain, coming to n-n-n-nominate me!

I had no idea Michael Palin was even a US Citizen.

Time will tell if Sen McCain's veep pick will energize the base but it certainly has energized this thread. :lol:

"With all due respect again to Governor Kaine, he's been a governor for three years, he's been able but undistinguished. I don't think people could really name a big, important thing that he's done. He was mayor of the 105th largest city in America. And again, with all due respect to Richmond, Virginia, it's smaller than Chula Vista, California; Aurora, Colorado; Mesa or Gilbert, Arizona; north Las Vegas or Henderson, Nevada. It's not a big town."
–Karl Rove, August 10, "Face the Nation"

Tim Kaine's service as governor: three years
Sarah Palin's service as governor: twenty months

Population, Richmond, VA: 200,123
Population, Wasilla, AK: 9,780

Well, at least the pick has been wildly successful in completely wiping the Dem convention off the front page.

JFK, which is why I figured it would never happen this year.

This sort of "analysis" is meaningless. No one has been elected president with a three-syllable last name since Kennedy. No one older than McCain has been elected president since Reagan. No one from Delaware has ever been on a winning ticket. No one married to an Eskimo has ever been on a winning ticket. I could do this all day.

this thread = http://www.macsparky.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/train-wreck-782867.jpg

Yeah, but its pretty fucking entertaining.

My only other observation is that the Dems think this is a bad choice, which has to be good. :lol: I don't think VP choices matter. But if you want to play the race gard, we'll go PMS on your ass.

Maybe McCain thinks he can steal some Hillarites. I still remember McCain and Clinton as pretty chummy.

I don't have much opinion on the choice, other than neither VP choice really mattered.

No one born since Sputnik was launched has ever been elected president! :eek: :eek: :eek:

McCain for sure!

:lol:

Time will tell if Sen McCain's veep pick will energize the base but it certainly has energized this thread. :lol:


I'm certainly energized -other-

He actually said, "I guess normal people don't know what is best for them."

Well if he went to an Ivy League school, then he would be correct.

Time will tell if Sen McCain's veep pick will energize the base but it certainly has energized this thread. :lol:

It's done that, hasn't it?

I don't know about energizing the base. I do believe it secured the base somewhat.

Who gives a shit. I'm talking about the irrational behavior of worshipping the supernatural.like others said, you're not voting for obama then?

or is he a jesus freak too?

You know, McCain's pick might have made more sense if there was a group of disenfranchised voters this year who were backing a failed candidate simply because they wanted to see a woman in the White House.

This sort of "analysis" is meaningless. No one has been elected president with a three-syllable last name since Kennedy. No one older than McCain has been elected president since Reagan. No one from Delaware has ever been on a winning ticket. No one married to an Eskimo has ever been on a winning ticket. I could do this all day.

It's not meaningless at all.

Many voters prefer a candidate to have executive experience - governor for instance.

After all - it's the chief executive office that they are seeking.

I will agree that no amount of experience 'qualifies' someone to be president.

It's a unique job - or is an unique job? ;)