BatTalk: What does Burton think of Nolan's work?
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BatTalk: What does Burton think of Nolan's work?
Adding to the Bat-ery of Batman related threads........
Considering that Tim Burton prides himself in creating "dark and brooding" movies, what do you all think HE thinks of Nolan's Batman movies? Burton's stuff today is about as campy as the friggin' 60's Batman show by comparison....
Considering that Tim Burton prides himself in creating "dark and brooding" movies, what do you all think HE thinks of Nolan's Batman movies? Burton's stuff today is about as campy as the friggin' 60's Batman show by comparison....
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I'm not sure about Burton but here is what Keaton had to say:
Keaton: I've only seen a little piece [of the sequels] here and there since I finished mine, not for any reason except that I didn't have any real interest. The reason they weren't interesting was the reason I didn't want to do them anymore. I read the script [for "Batman Forever"]. I wasn't into it. But how I wanted to do the third one is what they did in ["Batman Begins"]. I read an article about how they were going about it and I said, "That's exactly what I thought should be done." [Christopher Nolan] is so good and [Christian Bale] is so good. I really would like to see ["Batman Begins"]. I'm sure it's good and I'm sure ["The Dark Knight"] is going to be better.
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Originally Posted by Cornelius1047
I guess Michael Keaton can't afford Netflix...?
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Originally Posted by Sierra Disc
More importantly, what does Adam West think?
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They actually interviewed Adam West on Fox News a couple days ago and talked to him about TDK. He pretty much rallied on about the 60s show, but it made it sound like he enjoyed Begins.
If memory serves, he actually compared it to New Coke and Coke Classic.. West claimed he was Coke Classic and Keaton stepping in to the role was the failure that was New Coke. This was before it came out; he wanted to be cast.
Before the original Burton film was released, didn't Adam West once lament that the 1989 movie would suffer because he wasn't in the starring role?
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I always thought actors were really big fans of movies.
But...it seems that once you reach a certain level of success, the amount of movies you watch (have time to watch) decreases.
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Honestly, Dark Knight has just regelated Batman 89 into the same realm as the Batman 60's tv show. Just destroyed it, and made Nicholson's performance seem ridicously stupid. Batman Returns is probably the only movie from the "89 series" that will stand the test of time - although for some reason I really like Batman Forever.
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Originally Posted by Patman
If I think of it, I'll try to ask Adam West that question at Dragon Con during the Labor Day weekend.
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Honestly, Dark Knight has just regelated Batman 89 into the same realm as the Batman 60's tv show. Just destroyed it, and made Nicholson's performance seem ridicously stupid. Batman Returns is probably the only movie from the "89 series" that will stand the test of time - although for some reason I really like Batman Forever.
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I interviewed Adam West recently, and while I didn't ask him outright (the interview was short and specifically about the 1966 movie), he did make an offhand comment that suggested he thought the Nolan movies were too dark.
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If West honestly thought he'd be a good fit for the '89 Burton film, he's as weird-crazy as they portray him on the Simpsons.
I'd be curious to hear what Burton say's about Nolan's Batman too. That's always interested me. You've got... Ridley Scott on Alien sequels (and, blech, Alien VS Predator) ... James Cameron on Terminator 3 - and now the new material after Mario Kassar and Andy Vajna sold the rights.
I remember James Cameron giving a polite and vague comment on T3. It was something like, 'the director pays a lot of attention to detail and put out a good movie'. But I wonder what he thinks of T4 and the way the TV show was handled. T3 was completely satisfactory (though I still don't accept it). And the TV show let me indulge with the story and details - and was handled well, by people who seemed to care about the source.
Batman and Batman Returns will hold up - due to Burton's zaney style. 'Returns' is especially a unique movie. I recall despising it's strange, surreal nature when I saw it as a kid (10-or-so). 'Forever' was great when I first saw it. But it's become kind of ho-hum over the past ten years. And then Batman and Robin had some pretty interesting designs and effects (especially Freeze) - but was bloated, painful and simply uninvolving.
So I wonder if Burton feels belittled by the new movies. Movies like Batman Begins and The Dark Knight must be intimidating to filmmakers who are trying to put out similar mainstream product. You've got to ask, "what now". Are we going to get a handful of so-so movies that were sold as "a cross between The Dark Knight and so-and-so"? Kind of like what happened after Lord of the Rings (Chronicles of Narnia, I'm looking at you).
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I'd imagine he knows they're so different that it doesn't matter. Two visions, I still enjoy both. Still, looking back it is hard to believe that those movies used to be THE franchise on the block... now it is again. I think the 89 Batman adjusted for inflation would be at about 400million today, which is probably what TDK will do.
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
I interviewed Adam West recently, and while I didn't ask him outright (the interview was short and specifically about the 1966 movie), he did make an offhand comment that suggested he thought the Nolan movies were too dark.
So if in fact he's actually seen Nolan's Batman, and frankly I doubt that he has even with that "I've seen bits and pieces" line, he must be sleeping with his lights on. And what is this "I've seen bits and pieces" line all actors seem to give? Is it a way of saying "I'm too cool to look at that" kinda thing?"
I think he really believes the 60's goofy vibe is the best thing for Batman.
I spoiled these short articles to keep the thread clean.
West on not being excited about The Dark Knight
Spoiler:
Adam West: New Batman Movies Are Too Violent But He Still Wants In
Spoiler:
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Originally Posted by Artman
I'd imagine he knows they're so different that it doesn't matter. Two visions, I still enjoy both. Still, looking back it is hard to believe that those movies used to be THE franchise on the block... now it is again. I think the 89 Batman adjusted for inflation would be at about 400million today, which is probably what TDK will do.
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I don't think Burton is second guessing himself, cause he has his style for every movie, which either fans love or hate. He was always the wrong guy for Batman, cause you can't have a guy direct a mainstream comic book who makes all of his movies in a style that has more of a niche audience. PeeWee, Beetlejuice, Edward Scissorhands, Mars Attacks are all a bit strange IMO, yet I know people who love those films because they are strange.
I think everyone in Hollywood is second guessing themselves cause Nolan made a movie for adults, or what I call the Star Wars/Indiana Jones generation who grew up in the 1980's, and we showed up big time this weekend. For the past ten years, Hollywood has catered summer blockbusters to teenagers and kids and have turned off people like me who are in their 30's and want a grownup film. Where does the summer blockbuster go now, back to the kiddies/teenagers or to the Star Wars/Indiana Jones generation? It should be interesting.....
I think everyone in Hollywood is second guessing themselves cause Nolan made a movie for adults, or what I call the Star Wars/Indiana Jones generation who grew up in the 1980's, and we showed up big time this weekend. For the past ten years, Hollywood has catered summer blockbusters to teenagers and kids and have turned off people like me who are in their 30's and want a grownup film. Where does the summer blockbuster go now, back to the kiddies/teenagers or to the Star Wars/Indiana Jones generation? It should be interesting.....
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You mean Family Guy? He actually does the voice himself. That goes to show that he's self-aware of his image.
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And I didn’t need molded plastic to improve my physique. Pure. West. And why doesn’t Batman dance anymore? Remember the Batusi?
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I don't think Burton is second guessing himself, cause he has his style for every movie, which either fans love or hate. He was always the wrong guy for Batman, cause you can't have a guy direct a mainstream comic book who makes all of his movies in a style that has more of a niche audience. PeeWee, Beetlejuice, Edward Scissorhands, Mars Attacks are all a bit strange IMO, yet I know people who love those films because they are strange.
I think everyone in Hollywood is second guessing themselves cause Nolan made a movie for adults, or what I call the Star Wars/Indiana Jones generation who grew up in the 1980's, and we showed up big time this weekend. For the past ten years, Hollywood has catered summer blockbusters to teenagers and kids and have turned off people like me who are in their 30's and want a grownup film. Where does the summer blockbuster go now, back to the kiddies/teenagers or to the Star Wars/Indiana Jones generation? It should be interesting.....
I think everyone in Hollywood is second guessing themselves cause Nolan made a movie for adults, or what I call the Star Wars/Indiana Jones generation who grew up in the 1980's, and we showed up big time this weekend. For the past ten years, Hollywood has catered summer blockbusters to teenagers and kids and have turned off people like me who are in their 30's and want a grownup film. Where does the summer blockbuster go now, back to the kiddies/teenagers or to the Star Wars/Indiana Jones generation? It should be interesting.....
Most of the comic book adaptations including Spider-man were geared first to kids and teens with some adult appeal. It wasn't until Batman Begins and then a to a lesser extent Iron Man that the studios tried to appeal to more of an adult audience. I know some may say that the X-Men series was the first to do this but I still think that teens were the primary target not adults. I'm so glad that the Dark Knight dispelled the myth that a "dark" comic book film geared toward adults first, would not bring in the type of Box Office receipts as the lighter fare such as Spidey.
In regards to Burton, I think he probably appreciates the work of Nolan and the new Batman series. The 1989 Batman was great in it's time but came from a totally different approach than the new Batman series.
I can't wait to see what the next few years bring us....
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