Movies where you agreed with the villan?

[j123vt_99]

Have there been movies where you agreed with the villan or the cause he was supporting? I was watching the Bourne Ultimatum and realized I totally agreed with the idea that Bourne was trying to expose.

I don't see a problem with there being a secret govt agency that has trained killers that are out there to take out terrorists and bad guys without having to go through all the govt red tape. It actually sounds like a good idea (and I'm sure it exists). In addition, Jason Bourne volunteered to be a trained killer. In the flashback, they seemed to show that Bourne understood how he was giving up his life for his country and he was fine with it.. Now he is pissed?

Do you have any examples?

Probably need to keep this thread with spoiler tags.

[Jam Master Jay]

Ed Harris in The Rock

[j123vt_99]

Ed Harris in The Rock


good call

[wm lopez]

Travis Bickle in TAXI DRIVER. I don't think he's a bad guy but AFI did in their MOVIE BAD GUYS LIST.

[GoldenJCJ]

Ed Harris in The Rock
First one I thought of.

[Brain Stew]

Travis Bickle in TAXI DRIVER. I don't think he's a bad guy but AFI did in their MOVIE BAD GUYS LIST.
He tried to kill a presidential candidate. Plus he took the law into his own hands and was very clearly insane.

I'll agree that he's an anti-hero has most of his ideas make sense to a point. Eventually though, he gets shown as a real bad guy.

[j123vt_99]

He tried to kill a presidential candidate. Plus he took the law into his own hands and was very clearly insane.

I'll agree that he's an anti-hero has most of his ideas make sense to a point. Eventually though, he gets shown as a real bad guy.


Agreed.. I think his idea of wanting to clean up the city was noble, but his methodology stunk

[TallGuyMe]

Darth Vader. I fuckin' hate Alderaan.

[Anubis2005X]

Darth Vader. I fuckin' hate Alderaan.

Sorry to be "that guy," but it was Grand Moff Tarkin in this case...

[TallGuyMe]

Sorry to be "that guy," but it was Grand Moff Tarkin in this case...

sadly, I knew that too, but I went w/Darth for a better (?) joke.

[dhmac]

The Untouchables

I find it tough to actually pull for Elliot Ness and his "Untouchables" because they were trying to enforce the ridiculous alcohol Prohibition laws of those times. Although Al Capone was a violent thug, but it was him and other guys like him that made Prohibition a complete failure that eventually lead to its repeal. If Elliot Ness and guys like him had succeeded instead, alcoholic beverages would still be illegal to this day.

[Dr Mabuse]

Mitch Leary... first one that came to mind...

Col. Kurtz...

Cptn. Willard...

[Mr. Salty]

About Jason Bourne:
I don't see a problem with there being a secret govt agency that has trained killers that are out there to take out terrorists and bad guys without having to go through all the govt red tape. It actually sounds like a good idea (and I'm sure it exists). In addition, Jason Bourne volunteered to be a trained killer. In the flashback, they seemed to show that Bourne understood how he was giving up his life for his country and he was fine with it.. Now he is pissed?
Well, you do have the fact that the very first people Jason was sent to kill (Neski and his wife) had done nothing wrong, and were simply being killed by Conklin and Abbott in order to enrich themselves.

[Ronnie Dobbs]

Mitch Leary... first one that came to mind...



refresh my memory on this one.

[Dr Mabuse]

refresh my memory on this one.

John Malkovich character... 'In The Line Of Fire'...

Mitch Leary: Think about it Frank. The same government that trained me to kill trained you to protect. And now you're trying to kill me while up on that rooftop I protected you.
Mitch Leary: Frank, you of all people, I want you to understand because we both USED to think this country was a very special place...
Frank Horrigan: You don't know what I used to think!
Mitch Leary: Oh, but you know about me? Do you have any idea what I've done for God and country? Some pretty FUCKING HORRIBLE things! I don't even remember who I was before they sunk their claws into me!
Frank Horrigan: They made you into a real monster, right?
Mitch Leary: That's right and now they want to destroy me because we can't have monsters roaming the quiet countryside, now can we?

[Jay G.]

Titanic - I actually yelled at Billy Zane's character to shoot Rose and Jack, and then started cheering when immediately afterward he started shooting at them.

[Brack]

Sandman in Spider-Man 3.

[tommyp007]

John Doe in Se7en

[Groucho]

Ed Harris in The RockYou're supposed to agree with him. He's not the true villain.

[j123vt_99]

John Doe in Se7en

Kind of the same deal as Travis Bickle... His ideas weren't bad.. the way he went about them were a little troublesome

[GenPion]

Sandman in Spider-Man 3.

I'll agree to this.

[whoopdido]

Col. Nathan R. Jessep.

[chris_sc77]

Perfume: Even though he killed a bunch of innocent hot chicks that didnt deserve to die I think the intentions were good.
There WIll Be Blood-Daniel Plainview=But then again I dont consider him a villain even though others do.
Inside Man-If you consider Clive Owen to be the bad guy.

[valkyrie]

John Travolta in Swordfish. Make terrorism so unthinkable that no one would ever consider it.

[Ronnie Dobbs]

Inside Man-If you consider Clive Owen to be the bad guy.

I loved Inside Man.

Catwoman in Batman Returns wasn't really a bad villian.

[chris_sc77]

Is everyone forgetting Mr. Freeze in batman & Robin! (or are they trying on purpose to forget it?)

[Breton]

I don't know if he was a villain per se, but it might have been interesting if Fredo had succeeded in killing Michael in "Godfather II."

[GoldenJCJ]

Col. Nathan R. Jessep.
Good one.

[Anubis2005X]

On some level, I can understand Liam Neeson's ideas in Batman Begins. He does take it much too far though naturally...

[mhg83]

Is everyone forgetting Mr. Freeze in batman & Robin! (or are they trying on purpose to forget it?)

Whats a batman and robin? -wink-

[SkullOrchard]

Dr. Zaius in Planet of the Apes

[Leather Face]

King Kong

[cardsfan111]

I just watched Hard Candy for the first time yesterday. I had a hard time knowing who I agreed with or who was the 'villain'

[whoopdido]

Also, in some ways Gene Hackman in Crimson Tide.

He turned out to be wrong and in the end if he had his way he probably would have started WWIII, but he could have been right too. He said, himself, that an imcomplete order doesn't exist and they have to follow the original (complete) order, which was to make sure they fired their missles before the other dude (forget his name) did.

[Brack]

I'll also add Gone Baby GoneMorgan Freeman, though I simultaneously disagree as well

[Ranger]

Bourne's bosses are the villains.

I just saw the Bourne 3 movie yesterday for the first time and wow, was it great.

I really can't think of anything. Maybe the Architect or pre-"reloaded" Mr. Smith - igorance is bliss.

[silentbob007]

The Untouchables

I find it tough to actually pull for Elliot Ness and his "Untouchables" because they were trying to enforce the ridiculous alcohol Prohibition laws of those times. Although Al Capone was a violent thug, but it was him and other guys like him that made Prohibition a complete failure that eventually lead to its repeal. If Elliot Ness and guys like him had succeeded instead, alcoholic beverages would still be illegal to this day.

Except ... it is made very clear in the movie that Ness doesn't believe in prohibition except for the fact that it was the law. Considering the movie starts out with a little girl getting blown up, I find it hard to root for Capone.

[project86]

Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men

[Charlie Goose]

Ralph Fiennes in Schindler's List.




I kid! I kid!

[Jediturtle]

It's hard to disagree with Jigsaw's motives...but he might take it a tad too far. Referring to the Saw movies of course.

[Randy Miller III]

That guy that gets arrested in Minority Report for walking in on his wife's affair with another man. He didn't even get to bust a cap! :D

[rexinnih]

First one I thought of.

Me too.

[Randy Miller III]

The guy that gets arrested in Minority Report for walking in on his wife's affair with another man. He didn't even get to bust a cap! :D

[stingermck]

Titanic - I actually yelled at Billy Zane's character to shoot Rose and Jack, and then started cheering when immediately afterward he started shooting at them.

:thumbsup:

I was a big fan of him as The Phantom when Titanic came out, and was yelling "Go Phantom!" in the theater, as my GF of the time slapped me.

My favorite part: "I HAVE A CHILD!!"

[dogmatica]

Cosmo in Sneakers.

[Peep]

The Paladins in Jumper.

[nateman]

I'll also add Gone Baby GoneMorgan Freeman, though I simultaneously disagree as well
I agree
I liked Casey Affleck's character (Patrick Kenzie) up until the end where he made the decision to call the cops on him. I guess he was being "PC", but that mom of the little girl was useless. I think Kenzie regretted the decision he made, however.

[printerati]

The black man in Birth Of A Nation. White women :drool:









;)

[PopcornTreeCt]

No Country for Old Men

Chigurh played by his own rules and made a deal with Moss but he broke it and Moss ended up getting his wife killed because of it

I'm not saying I agree with him but I rationalized his perspective moreso than Moss.

[Shannon Nutt]

Col. Nathan R. Jessep.

Yep, I'm there too. :thumbsup:

KENDRICK: "Private Santiago is dead, and that is a tragedy. But he is dead because he had no code. He is dead because he had no honor. And God was watching.

[inri222]

Robert DeNiro in Heat

[wm lopez]

He tried to kill a presidential candidate. Plus he took the law into his own hands and was very clearly insane.

I'll agree that he's an anti-hero has most of his ideas make sense to a point. Eventually though, he gets shown as a real bad guy. Why did he try to kill the presidential candidate? I have an idea, but not sure. I don't think he was insane at all since at the end he could have killed the hot woman and she was inviting him to get laid and he refused. A real nice guy.

[jjcool]

:thumbsup:

I was a big fan of him as The Phantom when Titanic came out, and was yelling "Go Phantom!" in the theater, as my GF of the time slapped me.

My favorite part: "I HAVE A CHILD!!"

Affleck was the bomb in Phantoms.

[jjcool]

Robert DeNiro in Heat

I cannot think of a more perfect answer to the original question.

[Groucho]

Robert DeNiro in HeatI wouldn't say he's the "villain" in that movie. I would argue that he's not even the antagonist.

[wishbone]

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6039/3d6f1bey4.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/207/275582bv5.jpg
And he gets Charming Jones too. :drool:

[Kudama]

John Doe in Se7en

:eek: !!! You must be veeerrrry religious.

I agreed with the replicants.

[Doughboy]

Ruafo in Star Trek: Insurrection. Sorry Picard, but the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Screw your prime directive!

[Artman]

Honestly I can't think of any....even if I'm sympathetic to a villain's cause, that doesn't justify the behavior.

[devilshalo]

Orca









;)

[wd40cloud]

Roy Batty in Blade Runner

[7Keys]

What part of Robert DeNiro do you "agree" with in Heat?

It's been a while since I've seen it, so I'm not sure what you guys are referring to.

[Nesbit]

I agree
I liked Casey Affleck's character (Patrick Kenzie) up until the end where he made the decision to call the cops on him. I guess he was being "PC", but that mom of the little girl was useless. I think Kenzie regretted the decision he made, however.

A big part of his decision is based on the chip on the shoulder of the people who grow up in that area. There are references to this in the opening voice over and when Angela asks Patrick if they have a good life. It's the kind of, "Fuck you" attitude that many from the Boston area have.

[creekdipper]

The Untouchables

I find it tough to actually pull for Elliot Ness and his "Untouchables" because they were trying to enforce the ridiculous alcohol Prohibition laws of those times. Although Al Capone was a violent thug, but it was him and other guys like him that made Prohibition a complete failure that eventually lead to its repeal. If Elliot Ness and guys like him had succeeded instead, alcoholic beverages would still be illegal to this day.

If Ness & his boys could have used Capone's baseball bat approach, Prohibition would have been a complete success. And the upswing in the undertaking business would have prevented the stock market from crashing in '29.

And I actually would have pulled for Darth Vader if he were trying to kill Hayden Christenson's annoying Annakin Skywalker, except for the fact that he would have to commit suicide in order to become the hero.

Also, Klaus Kinski's Nosferatu portrayal was kinda sympathetic. At least he made the heroine's life interesting (compared to the wimpy male lead). Wait a minute...the same could be said for just about any Dracula movie.

Drac for Prez!

[raven56706]

Michael Douglas's character in Falling Down

[Nick Danger]

I was rooting for the velociraptors to eat the kids in Jurassic Park. (Okay, so they're monsters, not villains.)


Teldar Paper, Mr. Cromwell, Teldar Paper has 33 different vice presidents each earning over 200 thousand dollars a year. Now, I have spent the last two months analyzing what all these guys do, and I still can't figure it out. One thing I do know is that our paper company lost 110 million dollars last year, and I'll bet that half of that was spent in all the paperwork going back and forth between all these vice presidents. The new law of evolution in corporate America seems to be survival of the unfittest. Well, in my book you either do it right or you get eliminated. In the last seven deals that I've been involved with, there were 2.5 million stockholders who have made a pretax profit of 12 billion dollars. Thank you. I am not a destroyer of companies. I am a liberator of them! The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA. Thank you very much.

[Giles]

while I didn't really agree with the villian in Kevin Costner's 'The Postman' - Will Patton owned the movie ... and he looked real good in a beard.

http://www.willpattoncollection.com/TheGeneralWeb.jpg

[Hiro11]

From "Barcelona":

Fred: You think wedding vows are going to change everything? God, your naivete is astounding! Didn't you see "The Graduate"?

Ted: You can remember "The Graduate"?

Fred: Yeah, I can remember a few things. Apparently you don't. The end? Katharine Ross has just married this really cool guy - tall, blond, incredibly popular, the make-out king of his fraternity in Berkeley - when this obnoxious Dustin Hoffman character shows up at the back of the church, acting like a total asshole. "Elaine! Elaine!" Does Katharine Ross tell Dustin Hoffman, "Get lost, creep. I'm a married woman"? No. She runs off with him - on a bus. That is the reality.

[Dr Mabuse]

Michael Douglas's character in Falling Down

that's Douglas' best work i think... good one...

Roy Batty in Blade Runner

excellent... good one...

[fujishig]

Charlie Prince and the rest of Ben Wade's gang in 3:10 to Yuma:

They just wanted to free their boss, who they were pretty loyal to, and that's how they got paid back?

[raven56706]

John Travolta in Swordfish

[Rypro 525]

Daniel Plainview. Granted I'm not mr religion, so that might explain that reasoning.

[Seantn]

Teaching Mrs. Tingle

[Giantrobo]

Emperor Palpatine/The Empire

[rw2516]

The Alamo(any version)

[Rockmjd23]

Pretty much any slasher movie where the victims are intolerable twits.

[dhmac]

Ewoks vs. Imperial Stormtroopers

I was cheering for the Stormtroopers in those scenes

[tommyp007]

:eek: !!! You must be veeerrrry religious.

.
Quite the opposite, actually. I just think there's some people the world would be better off without.

[Matthew Ackerly]

What part of Robert DeNiro do you "agree" with in Heat?

It's been a while since I've seen it, so I'm not sure what you guys are referring to.


Not necessarily his actions, but he was just a very likable guy and I at least would have liked him to get away.

[Giles]

Ewoks vs. Imperial Stormtroopers

I was cheering for the Stormtroopers in those scenes

a shot of a stormtrooper headbutting one those ewoks to the ground would have been priceless.

[kms_md]

Roy Batty in Blade Runner

my first choice as well.

[Jon2]

For Verne fans,

Captain Nemo...

or Robur

[Nick Danger]

Frankenstein's Monster!

[Dr Mabuse]

Frankenstein's Monster!

i didn't think he was ever the villain...

even in the book...

it was Dr. Frankenstein, maybe even man playing God, that was the villain...

that said...

i agree...

i was always rooting for the monster every time...

[movielib]

Lots of people think Larry the Liquidator is the villain in Other People's Money. I agree with Larry completely. But I also do not think he is, or is intended to be, the villain.

[tanman]

Michael Douglas's character in Falling Down


oo...that's a good one. They really should sell breakfast all day. But I don't think he is really a villain at least in terms of the story. He is the main character so wouldn't society be the villain? I don't know what the term is. Antihero?

[Neeb]

Hollis Mulwray

Chinatown

Gittes: "What More can you buy?"

Mulwray: "The Future Mr. Gittes!"

Though, you'd have to believe Mulwray is the villain. David Thomson is one critic that does not necessarily see it that way.

[twikoff]

John Wisdom

[KillerCannibal]

Roy Batty in Blade Runner

That was also my pick.

For my own choice I'll go with Stuntman Mike. Those chicks were seriously annoying.

[Doc MacGyver]

Like many others' preference, my first choice is Roy Batty.


Sandman in Spider-Man 3.


I don't grant your premise. The villain of that movie was clearly Sam Raimi.




-Doc

[FRwL]

Schindler's List
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
12 Angry Men
Casablanca
Raiders of the Lost Ark
The Lord of the Rings
Psycho
No Country for Old Men
The Shining
Saving Private Ryan
The Terminator
The Matrix
The Great Escape
Die Hard
The Jackal
1984

:D


Ok but i really wanted the LOTR and Die Hard ones to win because the good guys just weren't as cool and were annoying. The Germans in SPR should have actually won in that scenario of outnumbered GIs in ruined city. Pure Hollywood.

[Ginwen]

oo...that's a good one. They really should sell breakfast all day. But I don't think he is really a villain at least in terms of the story. He is the main character so wouldn't society be the villain? I don't know what the term is. Antihero?
I sympathize with him to a point, but ultimately not. He's the villain, not a hero. He's most likely ultimately going to kill his family (which he realizes at the end) if he's not stopped.

[llandros]

The shark(s) in Jaws III and Jaws the Revenge

Jerry Dandridge (the vampire in Fright Night)

Glenn Close in Dangerous Liaisons

[PopcornTreeCt]

Watching Air Force One I can't help but root for Gary Oldman. Harrison Ford kicks ass in it but I wish Oldman would've knocked off his wife and kid. His wife is such a terrible actress.

[naitram]

the Alien

[Baron Of Hell]

Kiria in Death Note. The american version doesn't come out until next year I think. About a guy that goes around killing criminals with a magic notebook. It's a anime and manga also.

The monster people in I am Legend.

[toddly6666]

Al Pacino - Devil's Advocate
Robert DeNiro - Heat
Michael Lonsdale - Moonraker
Brad Pitt/Ed Norton - Fight Club
Darth Vader & Emperor - Star Wars
Patrick Swayze - Point Break