Be it one particular scene, one annoying character, the direction, a particular actors performance... what movie is ruined by ONE particular aspect?
For me? 'The 5th Element'. The problem? Chris Tucker.
Suprmallet
03-02-08, 07:27 AM
The Fifth Element is the only thing I like Chris Tucker in.
I think Dead Ringers is dangerously close to a perfect film, except that Geneviève Bujold is an awful actress and I can't imagine her being the object of anyone's desire, which is part of the premise of the movie.
TallGuyMe
03-02-08, 08:07 AM
The Fifth Element is the only thing I like Chris Tucker in.
I think Dead Ringers is dangerously close to a perfect film, except that Geneviève Bujold is an awful actress and I can't imagine her being the object of anyone's desire, which is part of the premise of the movie.
Evidently, Bujold was close to becoming Captain Janeway on "Voyager". Not that that show was anything special... but damn, she was pretty bad.
riotinmyskull
03-02-08, 08:33 AM
The Fifth Element is the only thing I like Chris Tucker in.
I think Dead Ringers is dangerously close to a perfect film, except that Geneviève Bujold is an awful actress and I can't imagine her being the object of anyone's desire, which is part of the premise of the movie.
Geneviève Bujold was much cuter in Brian Depalma's OBSESSION.
"No Country For Old Men". The "ending" ruined it for me.
Draven
03-02-08, 09:45 AM
110% agree on "The 5th Element". Tucker actually makes a movie I would like into a movie I actually loathe. Just a terrible, terrible character.
Brack
03-02-08, 09:50 AM
"No Country For Old Men". The "ending" ruined it for me.
I recommend seeing it again, the ending works perfectly.
Lastyear
03-02-08, 09:51 AM
True Grit.Glen Campbell couldn't act a lick.
Calculon
03-02-08, 02:44 PM
Big Lebowski. The Dude never did get his rug replaced.
Sessa17
03-02-08, 02:54 PM
Beautiful Girls would be a simply flawless film, if it weren't for Rosie O'Donnell's bloated annoying presence on film.
Dr Mabuse
03-02-08, 03:05 PM
'The Matrix'...
will an actual actor playing Neo...
that would have taken that film to the next level...
beavis69
03-02-08, 03:08 PM
Im not there. Horrible editing, most parts lasted well past there needed time, others didnt need to be in the movie at all
chris_sc77
03-02-08, 03:11 PM
Beowolf-The horrendous Animation.
Contact-"I sat through that entire film to see the aliens and it was her goddamn father!"
Superbad-The presense of Bill Hader ruined the film for me.
Man on Fire-Editing
NIMH Rat
03-02-08, 03:13 PM
"Lost Highway" could have been great without Balthazar Getty.
DaveWadding
03-02-08, 03:15 PM
Collateral with a different ending.
Rammsteinfan
03-02-08, 03:17 PM
Remove Julia Roberts from any movie she is in and it has to be better...?
mwbmis
03-02-08, 04:38 PM
An old stand by, but one I think is accurate...Godfather III - Sofia Coppola.
Mondo Kane
03-02-08, 04:41 PM
Breakfast At Tiffany's
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SteelWill
03-02-08, 05:08 PM
Transformers, Micheal Bay.
Shannon Nutt
03-02-08, 05:10 PM
I recommend seeing it again, the ending works perfectly.
Agreed, the Coens sticking with that ending made the difference between a good movie and a great movie.
Dr Mabuse
03-02-08, 05:12 PM
An old stand by, but one I think is accurate...Godfather III - Sofia Coppola.
Godfather 3 was not savable...
the only way it could have been better?...
never being made...
Man on Fire-Editing
the editing of 'Man On fire' was one of the best things about that films to me...
you have every other director on earth, and every other editor in earth, doing what is essentially 'i'm supposed to expect to be normal editing of a film'... 'this is the way its' done'...
Tony Scott is doing his own thing and it's awesome... i really liked 'Domino' for the same reason...
if you pay attention... and get past 'other people don't do it this way' and 'i'm not used to seeing this'... there is real depth to that work Scott is doing...
scott1598
03-02-08, 05:20 PM
I recommend seeing it again, the ending works perfectly.
amen! i still can't understand the controversy with the ending.
GoldenJCJ
03-02-08, 05:20 PM
Shelley Duvall in The Shining. I can't stand that bitch...
The ending to Blazing Saddles.
j123vt_99
03-02-08, 05:30 PM
Beowolf-The horrendous Animation.
Really? I thought it was one of the best animated films outside of Pixar
Dr Mabuse
03-02-08, 05:33 PM
Really? I thought it was one of the best animated films outside of Pixar
yep...
obviously aimed at 3D...
but very good...
zombiezilla
03-02-08, 06:34 PM
amen! i still can't understand the controversy with the ending.
Would anyone care to enlighten me as to what the ending was supposed to signify/teach/inspire/reveal/whatever? In spoiler tags for those who haven't seen it yet, of course. I loved it, until the final scene...and then, I was thinking, "You've got to be fucking kidding me?!?" I would've thought much more highly of this film had the prior scene (with the boys on bikes) been the final scene.
Brack
03-02-08, 07:22 PM
Would anyone care to enlighten me as to what the ending was supposed to signify/teach/inspire/reveal/whatever? In spoiler tags for those who haven't seen it yet, of course. I loved it, until the final scene...and then, I was thinking, "You've got to be fucking kidding me?!?" I would've thought much more highly of this film had the prior scene (with the boys on bikes) been the final scene.
I could be wrong, but to me the dream signified that he feels out of place in the world, a world he doesn't understand, that's "cold and dark" (he probably felt defeated by not being able to protect Moss in time, or if he had gotten there his fate would've been the same, or that he's no match for Chigurh), and wanted to be somewhere warm and comforting, where his father was, who was waiting for him...and then he woke up, and appears disappointed that he did.
wewantflair
03-02-08, 08:40 PM
AI, but for the last 10 minutes.
Panda Phil
03-02-08, 08:47 PM
Okay, these will probably earn me a virtual knee in the groin, but...
I love Monty Python and the Holy Grail, but to me the ending just screams 'We ran out of ideas!'.
The 1980 Flash Gordon would've been brilliant if they'd left out some of the head-palm worthy lines by the two American leads. Or at least gotten an actor to play Flash who had an ounce of charisma.
chris_sc77
03-02-08, 08:49 PM
the editing of 'Man On fire' was one of the best things about that films to me...
you have every other director on earth, and every other editor in earth, doing what is essentially 'i'm supposed to expect to be normal editing of a film'... 'this is the way its' done'...
Tony Scott is doing his own thing and it's awesome... i really liked 'Domino' for the same reason...
if you pay attention... and get past 'other people don't do it this way' and 'i'm not used to seeing this'... there is real depth to that work Scott is doing...
See, I like Domino and most of the editing in that film. I think it suits that film and is done much better in Domino than in Man On Fire. The blurry, choppy editing and desaturated look in the film really did ruin the film for me.
eiker_ir
03-02-08, 09:00 PM
Bourne Ultimatum and the annoying camera movement all the time for no reason
whoopdido
03-02-08, 09:19 PM
Beowolf-The horrendous Animation.
Contact-"I sat through that entire film to see the aliens and it was her goddamn father!"
Superbad-The presense of Bill Hader ruined the film for me.
Man on Fire-Editing
I think you missed the point of Contact. The movie wasn't even really about the aliens.
zombiezilla
03-02-08, 09:35 PM
I could be wrong, but to me the dream signified that he feels out of place in the world, a world he doesn't understand, that's "cold and dark" (he probably felt defeated by not being able to protect Moss in time, or if he had gotten there his fate would've been the same, or that he's no match for Chigurh), and wanted to be somewhere warm and comforting, where his father was, who was waiting for him...and then he woke up, and appears disappointed that he did.
Wow. Now I REALLY think it would be great without that part. In fact TLJ's character was the most boring thing about this movie. I could've enjoyed this more without his whiny downbeat old man. Oh, and I guess that's where the title comes from, eh? How clever. By all rights, it should be called "No World For Old Men." -rolleyes-
chris_sc77
03-02-08, 09:43 PM
^I thought the tommy Lee Jones character worked really well in the novel. However I don't think it worked in the film. Same with the ending. I couldn't even understand most of what Jones was mumbling in the film for some reason.
There were parts of the film though that worked better than in the book so I guess it balances out almost.
Lastyear
03-02-08, 10:19 PM
Bourne Ultimatum and the annoying camera movement all the time for no reason
The reason was to put the viewer into the action.I think it worked exceptionally well.I didn't find it annoying at all.
Brack
03-02-08, 10:31 PM
Wow. Now I REALLY think it would be great without that part. In fact TLJ's character was the most boring thing about this movie. I could've enjoyed this more without his whiny downbeat old man. Oh, and I guess that's where the title comes from, eh? How clever. By all rights, it should be called "No World For Old Men." -rolleyes-
I don't get this attitude, but hey, to each their own I suppose.
I believe Chigurh is the main character anyhow, because everyone in the movie is affected by him.
MasterofDVD
03-02-08, 10:37 PM
Remove Julia Roberts from any movie she is in and it has to be better...?
Take out her ridiculous role in Ocean's Twelve and it would of been a far better movie.
I think A.I. would of been better with the last 20 minutes or so removed.
Dr Mabuse
03-02-08, 10:58 PM
The reason was to put the viewer into the action.I think it worked exceptionally well.I didn't find it annoying at all.
ditto...
that aspect won it the oscar after all...
Dobby
03-02-08, 11:32 PM
Seraphim Falls
Totally awesome movie untill Anjelica Huston shows up at the end
project86
03-03-08, 12:48 AM
Into the wild could've been an alright movie, but for some reason Sean Penn decided to break the fourth wall for no reason. I couldn't pay attention to the movie after he did that.
matome
03-03-08, 09:13 AM
I HATE the stupid "Time After Time" dance at the end of Romy & Michele's High School Reunion
sauce07
03-03-08, 09:34 AM
Into the wild could've been an alright movie, but for some reason Sean Penn decided to break the fourth wall for no reason. I couldn't pay attention to the movie after he did that.
You know that bugged me the first time but I now appreciate it for making Chris more human, he wasn't just some character up on the screne, he was a real man.
stingermck
03-03-08, 09:41 AM
AI, but for the last 10 minutes.
:up:
Or 20 minutes. First time I saw it, it felt like an old Disney movie. You think its over...Bam more conflict...think its over BAM another scene.
dogmatica
03-03-08, 12:15 PM
The Score has three great performances by three actors who represent the best in naturalistic acting for their generation - Marlon Brando, Robert De Niro, and Edward Norton. Then there's the terrible, unbelievable overacting of Angela Bassett...
Groucho
03-03-08, 12:29 PM
The Score's biggest problem? The tell-all trailer. :(
RichC2
03-03-08, 12:34 PM
The Score's biggest problem? The tell-all trailer. :(
While that problem still exists, I'm still amazed at just how bad they were in the late 90s and early '00s -- The Score, Arlington Road, What Lies Beneath, etc;
Tarantino
03-03-08, 12:39 PM
We Own The Night, until it fizzles out at the end.
= J
sauce07
03-03-08, 01:42 PM
While that problem still exists, I'm still amazed at just how bad they were in the late 90s and early '00s -- The Score, Arlington Road, What Lies Beneath, etc;
you left out the ultimate from the era (possibly all time), Cast Away.
Fanboy
03-03-08, 03:39 PM
While I think the movie is already great, Batman Begins would have benefited from an actress with a little more gravitas than Katie Holmes. In the same vein, the X-Men movies could have done with someone other than Halle Berry as Storm. I think both actresses dragged down their movies.
jjcool
03-03-08, 03:59 PM
That stupid ewok dance at the original end of Jedi
leacha
03-03-08, 05:04 PM
Any of Ron Howard’s cookie cutter, Hollywood love story, villain/good guy, and happy ending films being made with another director.
devilshalo
03-03-08, 05:11 PM
Near perfect from Brad Bird (and I've stated these flaws in the past)
IRON GIANT - Guns are bad, they kill.
Yet Hogarth owns a toy gun and a bb gun.
RATATOUILLE - Colette's speech.
So you made it as a woman into a man's world. You fought long and hard to get there. But in the end, you pretty much concede your cooking skills to a rat.
Dr Mabuse
03-03-08, 09:39 PM
Seraphim Falls
Totally awesome movie untill Anjelica Huston shows up at the end
that was one of my favorite parts...
took the film entirely into metaphor with her as mephistopheles...
it complimented the theme of the film, took it 'all the way' as it were, and enhanced the final scene...
creekdipper
03-04-08, 01:58 AM
True Grit.Glen Campbell couldn't act a lick.
Wholeheartedly agree.
The true shame is that True Grit, while it still wouldn't have been as good as the book, could have been one of the best westerns ever made. It features memorable characters (played by memorable actors including Wayne, Robert Duvall, Dennis Hopper, Strother Martin, and a host of fine character actors), great set pieces & scenery, wonderful dialogue from the book, outstanding costuming & cinematography, etc....in other words, all the elements were in place for a near-perfect film.
And then there's Glen Campbell.
While he does get less annoying with repeated viewings...not because the viewer's opinion changes but due more to the fact that one has gotten accustomed to the bad acting and expects it, the stiffness & awkwardness stick out so badly in nearly every time Glen opens his mouth. It doesn't help that he looks blow-dried & baby-faced and sounds whiny in his high-pitched voice. He also is the opposite of the character in the book, who was something of an arrogant dandy who exuded so much self-confidence that he impressed the locals immensely despite his youth.
I always hated that Richard Jordan, who co-starred with Wayne & Katherine Hepburn six years after True Grit (in the sequel "Rooster Cogburn and the Lady"), didn't get a chance to play La Boeuf. He would have been perfect.
Of course, the part could have gone to Elvis (evidently, he was first choice but Wayne refused to take second billing). The results could have been much better (the Elvis of Flaming Star, Jailhouse Rock, etc.) or disastrous (the Elvis seen in "Kissing Cousins"). Still, couldn't have been any worse than Glen.
KillerCannibal
03-04-08, 12:44 PM
True Romance. I love this flick, but the soundtrack is fucking god-awful. That Jamaican steel drum shit is terrible! All of the music is utterly forgettable. Actually, I wish it were. It's so horrendous that I sometimes avoid watching the film just because it's so annoying.
johnnysd
03-05-08, 06:24 PM
Maybe really minor but the ending of "Heaven Can Wait" STILL bother me and ruins what was an enjoyable movie. He lives but loses his identity so how the heck does he still know he's alive?
Some previous ones mentioned:
The Score: I never saw the trailer, but this is a movie I appreciate more each time I see it. DeNiro is terrific, as are Norton and Brando (who actually acts). And the movie just works for me. Avery underrated movie in my view.
No Country for Old Men: I "get" the ending, but it really reveals no more than the title itself does really. I really like the film in a lot of ways, but TLJ needed to be in just a few more scenes to really earn the ending in my view. That said I do think it was the best film I saw last year, but IMO not really even close to Fargo, which I think is just about perfect, and has as it's main character another cop who has a very similar arc to the TLJ character.
AI: Quite possibly the most ludicrous last 20 minutes of any film I have ever seen. When I saw it the first time, I thought a third of the way in it was one of the better movies I hd seen that year. If it ended with the robot trapped under water, it still would have been good. But then, that ending. It is the worst ending I think I have ever seen in a movie.
Speaking of Spielberg, the son being alive at the end of WOTW was ludicrous too.
johnnysd
03-05-08, 06:31 PM
True Romance. I love this flick, but the soundtrack is fucking god-awful. That Jamaican steel drum shit is terrible! All of the music is utterly forgettable. Actually, I wish it were. It's so horrendous that I sometimes avoid watching the film just because it's so annoying.
It's actually a riff on Musica Poetica by German Carl Orff, which was also used in Badlands by Malick. I think it is a fantastic piece in all of it's forms. Orff also wrote maybe the greatest choral work of all time and among the most famous in the "Carmina Burana". "O Fortuna" from the CB together with Siefrieds Funeral March by Wagner from Gotterdamerung makes up the soundtrack of "Excalibur".
You can still hate it though :)
cungar
03-05-08, 06:58 PM
The reason was to put the viewer into the action.I think it worked exceptionally well.I didn't find it annoying at all.
I didn't even notice it
cungar
03-05-08, 07:01 PM
The Fifth Element is the only thing I like Chris Tucker in.
I think Dead Ringers is dangerously close to a perfect film, except that Geneviève Bujold is an awful actress and I can't imagine her being the object of anyone's desire, which is part of the premise of the movie.
People act like Chris Tucker was the only campy aspect of that film. To me the film was Star Wars meets Blade Runner meets the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Ephemeral_Life
03-05-08, 07:49 PM
Godfather 3 was not savable...
the only way it could have been better?...
never being made...
Just saw it for the first time and thought it was quite good. Not as good as the first one, but decent fare. Missed Tom Hagen and didn't care much for Michael's kids, but the story was pretty intricate and enjoyable.
Draven
03-05-08, 08:34 PM
Iron Giant is a good one. I think that movie is perfection...until the final shot. Then it actually knocks the movie down a few pegs, simply because it lessens the sacrifice and introduces a need for more story when the original story had a perfect ending.
Giantrobo
03-05-08, 08:37 PM
that was one of my favorite parts...
took the film entirely into metaphor with her as mephistopheles...
it complimented the theme of the film, took it 'all the way' as it were, and enhanced the final scene...
I was thinking the same thing. Dr Mabuse. :up:
Brack
03-05-08, 09:07 PM
I dub this the Columbo thread.
chris_sc77
03-05-08, 09:41 PM
HULK-The 2 stupid overdone CGI scenes...(The cartoon dog fight and the end fight with whatever the hell daddy turned into.)
jfoobar
03-05-08, 10:01 PM
First off, I am firmly in the minority of people who loved Chris Tucker in The Fifth Element. The film has several weaknesses, but he isn't one of them. It is supposed to be kitschy, and Tucker's and Oldman's characters are a big part of that.
I nominate Four Weddings and a Funeral were it not for Andie McDowell.
Also, Scanners minus Stephen Lack.
SPiRAL
03-06-08, 02:05 AM
Sunshine - the final act.
Rypro 525
03-06-08, 02:44 AM
Speaking of True Romance. I was rewatching that the other day for the umptenth time, and was kind of wondering why Vincent Cocotti (Chris Walken's character) didn't show up at the end in some way.
tanman
03-06-08, 03:03 AM
Evidently, Bujold was close to becoming Captain Janeway on "Voyager". Not that that show was anything special... but damn, she was pretty bad.
Wow. I've never seen that before. I thought she stormed out on the first day of shooting. That was absolutely dreadful. I really don't think it would have lasted a season with her there. Granted the shows writing for the most part kind of stunk but at least Kate Mulgrew did a pretty good job with Janeway, love her or hate her at least she had some conviction in her.
tanman
03-06-08, 03:10 AM
Near perfect from Brad Bird (and I've stated these flaws in the past)
IRON GIANT - Guns are bad, they kill.
Yet Hogarth owns a toy gun and a bb gun.
RATATOUILLE - Colette's speech.
So you made it as a woman into a man's world. You fought long and hard to get there. But in the end, you pretty much concede your cooking skills to a rat.
Wow are you serious? You really think toy guns are the same as real guns?
As for Colette's outburst I think it did well to develop her character instead of being some sappy typical love interest. I think they should have went more down that road at least a little bit. And conceding to a rat is not the same as conceding to a man.
JZ1276
03-06-08, 03:19 AM
"No Country For Old Men". The "ending" ruined it for me.
yeah, the ending was weird. I just watched this movie the other night and the scene started to bore me so I stopped paying attention. Then the movie ended. I thought "wait, did I miss something"? So I rewatched the last scene. Still didnt get why they ended it the way they did.
UAIOE
03-06-08, 04:28 AM
First off, I am firmly in the minority of people who loved Chris Tucker in The Fifth Element. The film has several weaknesses, but he isn't one of them. It is supposed to be kitschy, and Tucker's and Oldman's characters are a big part of that.
I liked him in the movie too.
What I don't get are the people who say he is annoying then turn around and say something like "I know he is supposed to be an annoying character". It's like missing out on a joke or something.
I really think the "Space Opera" is a really weak part. Give me the silliness and action please.
Trevor
03-07-08, 05:14 PM
I dub this the Columbo thread.
:)
"Pardon me, but there is this one thing that bothers me."
Draven
03-07-08, 07:35 PM
I liked him in the movie too.
What I don't get are the people who say he is annoying then turn around and say something like "I know he is supposed to be an annoying character". It's like missing out on a joke or something.
I really think the "Space Opera" is a really weak part. Give me the silliness and action please.
I guess I don't understand the comment. I know he is supposed to be an annoying character, but I didn't think his character had any place in the movie.
Granted I only saw it twice (once in the theater, once when it was first released) but I remember I hated him both times. If you remove him from the movie, does it matter? If not, I say he shouldn't have been there at all.
Anubis2005X
03-07-08, 07:56 PM
Transformers, Micheal Bay.
110% QFT...
Anubis2005X
03-07-08, 08:01 PM
I really think the "Space Opera" is a really weak part. Give me the silliness and action please.
Blasphemy!
I'd have to go with the shaky cam in Cloverfield. Any idiot can keep a camera pointed better than that guy...
devilshalo
03-07-08, 08:19 PM
Wow are you serious? You really think toy guns are the same as real guns?
Yes, because it sends a mixed message. Makes me wonder what Hogarth shot at with his bb gun.
Hogarth Hughes: Yes. Guns kill.
The Iron Giant: Guns kill.
As for Colette's outburst I think it did well to develop her character instead of being some sappy typical love interest. I think they should have went more down that road at least a little bit. And conceding to a rat is not the same as conceding to a man.
Yeah, it's actually worse. Would you rather be upstaged by another human being, or a 4 legged animal? It's shown that even Linguini has no faith in her cooking.
GenPion
03-07-08, 08:49 PM
What about movies that would be okay if not for one thing? I can't believe they killed Trinity in the Matrix Revolutions and no one seemed to care. It was anti-climatic.
naitram
03-07-08, 09:20 PM
Ewoks is #1 for me.
Million Dollar Baby - I really liked that movie but fuck that ending. Everytime I think about watching it again I think twice.
Spiderman 3 - dancing?
Julie Walker
03-08-08, 04:46 PM
Texas Chainsaw Massacre part 2........the score! It's beyond irritating and just annoys the hell out of me!
It's a bad organ score and is used throughout the entire film. Try surviving the opening credits without going mad!
Fans try to tell me it's appropriate for the 'circus like atmosphere' of the film. But it still sucks big time and makes it tough to enjoy the film!!!!!!!
That's a big one since it involves the entire film. I'm sure there are other things in other films that move them down a knotch. But I can't remember them at the moment. So a few minor things that annoy me in anotherwise good films are the music choices in the end credits of
All That Jazz and Dawn of the Dead:2004.
I think All That Jazz should have had silent end credits instead of "No Business Like Show Business" blaring loudly throughout the credits. Since it kills the otherwise somber tone of the final shot and leaves no time for it to sink in. Muting the audio on the credits has helped,and it's a big improvement I think.
And Dawn:2004 should have had silent end credits after the last of the video footage was shown instead of "Down with the Sickness" blaring over the speakers. Since it again kills the grim tone that the credit sequence was building towards. As it starts out rocking with a cool song and clips of characters doing whatever,then the music cuts off..and more clips are shown as things become grim with the final clip being downbeat. Before it cuts to black for rest of credits to play. And it should have stayed silent without heavy metal or any score playing. I guess muting helps slightly...but you're still stuck with flash cuts of zombies charging camera to go with the charged up metal music. These flash cuts of zombies should be cut as well as a basic credit scroll and lack of score.
The Cow
03-08-08, 05:02 PM
I can't believe they killed Trinity in the Matrix Revolutions and no one seemed to care.
That's because everyone was already disappointed how the 2nd movie turned out following the first. By the third, it was :shrug:
RichDB10
03-08-08, 05:47 PM
For me most recently....Rescue Dawn.....Hmmmmm..did Herzog really..'feel the need' to end it in a really crap Top Gun type manner!!!
Brack
03-08-08, 06:36 PM
Texas Chainsaw Massacre part 2........the score! It's beyond irritating and just annoys the hell out of me!
That's amusing,and works in an over the top way. Heck if they could have worked some of The Cramps or other rock tunes heard earlier in the film into the scene,it may have been pretty cool.
Oh at about 1:30:50 seconds about near the end of the chainsaw duel. There is a good score briefly heard,that is far more cool sounding(using guitars and stuff and sounds badass) and tolerable than the crap synth/organ score Hooper went for!
I'm all for good synth scores and think they can sound awesome. But TCM2s score sounds like cheap amature crap and has always annoyed the hell out of myself.
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