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Brian T
07-14-09, 10:42 AM
This thread makes me laugh.

By the title, I assumed it was about Criterion discs that weren't up to snuff, with either poor transfers or extras.

But instead, people seem to be discussing the movies, as if Criterion made them. Which makes no sense to me.

It would make more sense to have a thread called "Disappointing Warner Bros." since WB actually makes the movies they put out.

Well said. Having only discovered this thread when it was revived recently, I skimmed through it expecting just what you mentioned, comments about transfers or extras, which are legitimate issues with some titles in the collection. Perhaps the thread title was too vague? There are a handful of Criterion discs that I wish had more supplements to aid in the appreciation of the films, but on the whole, it's a small list.



But instead, people seem to be discussing the movies, as if Criterion made them. Which makes no sense to me.

Worse, the discussion turned to labeling the kinds of people who actually enjoy and/or understand certain movies. Ouch. :( Maybe there should be a new thread called "Disappointing Criterion Viewers." ;)

Gobear
07-14-09, 12:25 PM
Can't we all just get along? I find the sniping back and forth ridiculous, particularly given this is one thread in a forum where one could expect to share opinions with people who enjoy good movies without being labeled "a film snob."

How many of us posting here are able to share our passion for Ozu or Fellini or Renoir with our friends and family? Heck, how many of us have friends and family who have even heard of the Criterion label?

Peace, y'all.

That said, I must amend my earlier post because I found the Criterion release of Danton lacking in both extras and film transfer. The movie itself is terrific, but for viewers who are unfamiliar with the personae of the French Revolution, a documentary on the era to provide historical context or a glossary of the characters would prove useful.

Solid Snake
07-14-09, 12:32 PM
All I can say is that I want ALL Kurosawa films with the It Is Wonderful to Create features. Those are really really informative.

inri222
07-14-09, 12:53 PM
The Life Aquatic - fun and adventurous; but really, I do wonder sometimes how many dicks Wes Anderson has sucked to get his entire catalogue on the Criterion front.


rotflrotflrotfl

HistoryProf
07-14-09, 01:14 PM
This thread makes me laugh.

By the title, I assumed it was about Criterion discs that weren't up to snuff, with either poor transfers or extras.

But instead, people seem to be discussing the movies, as if Criterion made them. Which makes no sense to me.

It would make more sense to have a thread called "Disappointing Warner Bros." since WB actually makes the movies they put out.

I think the big difference is Criterion is a company who's reputation is built upon being THE dvd company for releasing classic, important, masterpieces of cinema. Thus, many have unrealistic expectations that everything will be "great" in some way. So, given that every film is inherently loaded with that kind of expectation, the films themselves are subject to disappointing viewers in a way any other company's aren't.

And to the French over representation - yes, I think there are too many damned french movies in the CC too - but I wouldn't remove a single one...or any other. I understand it's there for a reason, even If I don't care for it. Not all the films in the Criterion Collection have to be GOOD. They can have some kind of importance, either to the film industry or to world culture. I just wish there were more UK and US films for one, but understand that's a matter of what rights are available, so international cinema will necessarily be a large part of the collection. It is encouraging that they seem to be cultivating better relationships with US companies though...so perhaps we can get the same loving treatment of films by folks by directors like Anthony Mann that they deserve.

So yes, i've been disappointed in my inability to appreciate the New Wave stuff, particularly Godard, and wondered for a while if there was something wrong with me...then discovered that i'm not alone by FAR in feeling that way, and realized that it's really something that's not meant to be appreciated by the majority, and I quit caring and smile at the people who go gaga over the Godard's seemingly monthly additions to the collection as I wistfully wish for other fare. but that's just me. If you have the time and energy to devote multiple viewings to impenetrable pieces of cinema, then bravo...I guess I don't care THAT much to give them that...there's too many others I have yet to see that may reveal themselves to be pure revelation.

I was perhaps a bit strong in my initial characterization of Godard fans as elitists...but I don't think anyone would disagree with the sentiment...there is that small segment of filmdom that worships him and the New Wave and their writing about it seems as difficult to understand as the movies themselves...which to me suggests they didn't "get" it anymore than anyone else, but get off on pretending they did. as deltasig4 would say...that's a FACT. :)

macnorton
07-14-09, 02:32 PM
I think some of the comments here are accurate. Most seem to think Criterion is the upper echelon of cinema and any one who doesn't follow be damned.

Personally, I love the collection. It has given me a small glimpse of foreign cinema I wouldn't have known about other wise. Are they lacking in some areas (westerns was a good example)? Sure, but show me a studio who isn't.

With the collection approaching 500 titles now I think they have done an incredible job of giving the people an amazing collection of unique films from around the world. But like many other things, you can't please everyone. If you don't like it, you don't like. That doesn't mean you can go on a tirade about how Goddard fans are X or Y.

With all that being said, do I agree with some of the choice Criterion has made? No, but The Rock was still an awesome DVD and a great popcorn flick.

And finally, my fingers are crossed for Blu-Ray editions of Tokyo Drifter and Branded to Kill. I love that stuff!

slop101
07-14-09, 03:41 PM
And to the French over representation - yes, I think there are too many damned french movies in the CC too - but I wouldn't remove a single one...or any other. I understand it's there for a reason, even If I don't care for it. That reason is because most of those French films (along with many of their Japanese releases) are Janus films which is basically the theatrical arm of Criterion.

Brian T
07-14-09, 06:29 PM
I think the big difference is Criterion is a company who's reputation is built upon being THE dvd company for releasing classic, important, masterpieces of cinema. Thus, many have unrealistic expectations that everything will be "great" in some way. So, given that every film is inherently loaded with that kind of expectation, the films themselves are subject to disappointing viewers in a way any other company's aren't.

I should point out that there are many films in the Criterion Collection that I didn't find overly memorable on an entirely personal level, but the additional features, the booklet, and further readings online and of my own books on film helped me to understand the significance of what I'd seen, maybe even helped me to "get it". I certainly don't think I had some special knack for keeping my expectations level when reading a DVD sleeve, Criterion or otherwise, but maybe I do. As I said before, every DVD company besides Criterion breathlessly praises their products on their DVD sleeves, using a combination of legitimate/overbaked hyperbole and suspect/genuine quotes from real/wannabe critics. Every. Company. They pander. They copy-write to the lowest-common denominator. And that doesn't create expectations? Please. Criterion takes a classier, scholarly route--the very thing that any serious film buff should appreciate--so I guess the inevitable cries of high-minded snobbery from certain quarters should be expected. One simple bit of advice if you can't handle Criterion's film-school-in-an-amaray approach to pimping their stock: approach everything with caution. Expect nothing one way or the other.



Not all the films in the Criterion Collection have to be GOOD. They can have some kind of importance, either to the film industry or to world culture.

At last! We agree. :lol:



So yes, i've been disappointed in my inability to appreciate the New Wave stuff, particularly Godard, and wondered for a while if there was something wrong with me...then discovered that i'm not alone by FAR in feeling that way, and realized that it's really something that's not meant to be appreciated by the majority, and I quit caring and smile at the people who go gaga over the Godard's seemingly monthly additions to the collection as I wistfully wish for other fare.

. . . and those that love his stuff, are not alone, by far, in feeling that love (and I'm not one of them, believe it or not; though I don't find his films that impenetrable with a little extra effort and NO multiple viewings). There's no shame in not "getting" someone like Godard or any other filmmaker so vaunted by the Criterion Collection; there should be at least a little shame associated with repeatedly condescending to virtually anyone that does get his work--even partially--as if they're wasting their precious time or, worse, engaging in just so much pretending with the sole purpose of appearing smarter than other people. They just couldn't be serious about it; of course not.

Just to be clear, I don't like it any better when "film snobs"--both real or perceived--snivel or hurl presumptuous insults at those who don't "get" certain kinds of movies. This does work both ways, sadly, and it kills thoughtful debate, which largely dominated this thread until recently. The appreciation of Criterion films, in particular, is often about subjectivity, and it pains me to see either side (those who "get it" or those who don't) making smarmy, unqualified assumptions about the other, even as I've long wondered, how it can irk people that cinema, like virtually every other art form (and ideology for that matter),can produce works of a certain ambiguity that are designed to elicit multiple, personal interpretations. If the picture doesn't make literal sense, it must be some kind of con? That makes no sense.



I was perhaps a bit strong in my initial characterization of Godard fans as elitists...but I don't think anyone would disagree with the sentiment...

Well, you probably knew I would ;) , and I'm not particularly fond of the man's work, as I've stated. At the same time, I'm simply unable to blithely dismiss his importance to his craft and his singular voice with just one wave of the hand. He does have his obsequious worshippers--they all do--but you're right, they're a small segment of an already (comparatively) small circle of film aficionados, and thus hardly enough to raise one's ire. There are more people devoted to scholarly study and thoughtful criticism of his works than there are people lined up to catch and praise every blast of artistic gas that he passes. Seriously. But too often the latter are the ones who most often become representative of everyone who appreciates a particularly obtuse form of cinema.

Carcosa
07-15-09, 07:16 PM
A disappointing Criterion for me would be KWAIDAN.

The transfer is poor compared to other discs available, specifically MASTERS of CINEMA's marvelous release which is just beautiful. and longer by 23 minutes. Great booklet too, not to mention its NTSC even though its a Region 2 release. Go figure.

chris_sc77
07-15-09, 07:24 PM
^True. True.
Kwaidan deserves so much better....


Also kinda OT but isnt it that day of the month when new titles are announced. Whats the deal?

foofighters7
07-16-09, 10:16 PM
funny that I have never noticed this thread and when I did finally see the thread title, I instantly thought...Jubilee. I hated that movie, just really dated, bad, ugly, boring junk.

glad I'm not the only one.
There have been many many releases that were disappointing in regards to extras but only a few that were not up to snuff in regards to the film itself.
Many of the earlier titles deserve more extras. CC have been fairly good about going back and updating the ones that have better elements out there now, and while doing that adding features.
They need to KEEP doing that though.
Andrei Rublev is one that needs updating, along with Walkabout and much much more.

Living Deadpan
07-20-09, 09:46 PM
Equinox - I guess it takes a certain horror/fantasy film fan to truly appreciate this one. Usually I am that certain fan, but not this time. I think a large part of Equinox's consideration was for the resumes that the filmmakers would go on to achieve.
The Life Aquatic... I do wonder sometimes how many dicks Wes Anderson has sucked to get his entire catalogue on the Criterion front. :lol: Oh, that's one of the most agreeable things I've read in ages.
Walker - even though I'm fully aware of Alex Cox's almost slap-sticky play on politics and society, I just couldn't absorb this one with satisfaction. Yeah, I was disappointed. I would love to see Repo Man on Criterion though.
The Rock - wtf x2
This DVD is actually useful in a "know thy enemy" sort of way, particularly the audio commentary.

NoirFan
07-20-09, 09:48 PM
Walkabout

This was listed as one of the titles in their initial Blu-ray press release, so hopefully it'll be sooner rather than later.

Gobear
07-21-09, 10:28 AM
Walker, in my opinion is a terrible, pretentious piece of crap. However, it does star Ed Harris, and so falls under the Ed Harris Corollary to the Gene Hackman Rule (which also applies to Morgan Freeman): "No movie with Ed Harris in it is a complete waste of time."

The DVD is terrific, however, with Alex Cox's commentary and a couple of docs.

Mona Lisa is a huge disappointment, it's an early Criterion, but it's movie-only with not very good picture and sound.

gglass4269
07-21-09, 12:19 PM
Ive been thinking about getting the following. Can someone tell me if they're worth the price.

F For Fake
Do the Right Thing
In the Realm of the Senses
Simon of The Desert

Giles
07-21-09, 12:44 PM
^True. True.
Kwaidan deserves so much better....


Also kinda OT but isnt it that day of the month when new titles are announced. Whats the deal?

an actual hidef bluray release ;)

they're probably doing the numbers of the Barnes and Noble 50% sale, I'd love to know what titles are being the most popular, what's selling out, etc.

inri222
07-21-09, 12:47 PM
Ive been thinking about getting the following. Can someone tell me if they're worth the price.

F For Fake
Do the Right Thing
In the Realm of the Senses
Simon of The Desert

I can vouch for Simon of the Desert. Worth every penny since it also contains the hour long documentary 'A Mexican Bu˝uel'. Can be had for under $13 with the DD 25% off sale.

Kory
07-21-09, 12:52 PM
How are Yojimbo/Sanjuro? Thinking about picking up the set with both of them in it.

RagingBull80
07-21-09, 01:08 PM
Ive been thinking about getting the following. Can someone tell me if they're worth the price.

F For Fake
Do the Right Thing
In the Realm of the Senses
Simon of The Desert
Do the Right Thing is a good release but a new 2-disc non-Criterion set was released that has just about everything on it. I don't know anything about Simon of the Desert but I've seen it in store for $24.99 and using the B&N 50% Criterion sale brings it down to $12.50 unless you have a membership which drops it even further. Same for Do the Right Thing, it might be about the same price as the non-Criterion release using the B&N sale.

Brian T
07-21-09, 01:50 PM
F FOR FAKE is a clever, very satisfying piece with an intriguing production history (which it doesn't hurt to read a little bit about first, if possible), and Criterion's well-chosen supplements do a fantastic job of contextualizing it. It's a fairly straightforward film, despite being about fakery forgery and other artistic misdirections, so I can't imagine it leaving anyone befuddled. ;)

chris_sc77
07-21-09, 03:30 PM
Ive been thinking about getting the following. Can someone tell me if they're worth the price.

F For Fake
Do the Right Thing
In the Realm of the Senses
Simon of The Desert

I dunno anything about Simon of the Desert but Definitely Pick up F for Fake and In the Realm of the Senses. Very good sets. And dont bother with the Criterion Do the Right Thing criterion. Get the new 2-disk Universal 20th Anniversary Edition. Much better value.

gglass4269
07-27-09, 11:44 AM
Army of Shadows has got to be one of the most incoherent, and disapointing movies I've seen from the Criterion Collection.

riotinmyskull
07-27-09, 11:55 AM
I dunno anything about Simon of the Desert but Definitely Pick up F for Fake and In the Realm of the Senses. Very good sets. And dont bother with the Criterion Do the Right Thing criterion. Get the new 2-disk Universal 20th Anniversary Edition. Much better value.

unless you care about color timing and viewing the film as it was meant to be.

NoirFan
07-27-09, 12:41 PM
Army of Shadows has got to be one of the most incoherent, and disapointing movies I've seen from the Criterion Collection.

How so?

gglass4269
07-27-09, 12:52 PM
I sat in front of my tv with no distractions, and watched the whole movie in one sitting, and at the end, if you asked, I could not tell you what that movie was about...

chris_sc77
07-27-09, 03:45 PM
unless you care about color timing and viewing the film as it was meant to be.

Well IMO both the Criterion and the new Universal look very good. But, both are indeed obviously different viewing experiences. IM glad to have both personnally but i dont feel it would take away much watching the new UNiversal remaster. .

Peep
07-27-09, 08:01 PM
Mona Lisa is a huge disappointment, it's an early Criterion, but it's movie-only with not very good picture and sound.

How does the Criterion release of Mona Lisa compare to the R1 Achor Bay release? DVDbeaver only has compairisons to the Anchor Bay R2 PAL release and says that the picture is slightly squished top-to-bottom.

Gobear
07-27-09, 08:18 PM
How does the Criterion release of Mona Lisa compare to the R1 Achor Bay release? DVDbeaver only has compairisons to the Anchor Bay R2 PAL release and says that the picture is slightly squished top-to-bottom.

Well, the Anchor Bay and the Criterion are both bare-bones, which is a problem. The Criterion is non-anamorphic (a second strike), and it has serious artifacting issues.

Giles
07-27-09, 08:36 PM
the print used for 'Tunes of Glory' has a nasty imperfection as I recall- I'd want Criterion to find a better print, if one so exists.

PatrickMcCart
07-27-09, 10:35 PM
W.C. Fields 6 Short Films is the most puzzling. No idea why it was released through Criterion instead of HVE. Interlaced, no digital restoration, and no extras. Still better than the public domain DVDs out there, but should have had a $19.99 MSRP from the start since it's NOT worth anything more than $14.

Peep
07-28-09, 11:24 AM
Well, the Anchor Bay and the Criterion are both bare-bones, which is a problem. The Criterion is non-anamorphic (a second strike), and it has serious artifacting issues.

Hmm... That almost makes it sound like the Anchor Bay is the better release. Have you heard anything about the picture being compressed?

Gobear
07-28-09, 11:35 AM
Hmm... That almost makes it sound like the Anchor Bay is the better release. Have you heard anything about the picture being compressed?

You should Netflix it and judge for yourself.

chris_sc77
07-28-09, 11:50 AM
Well, the Anchor Bay and the Criterion are both bare-bones, which is a problem. The Criterion is non-anamorphic (a second strike), and it has serious artifacting issues.

The Criterion MOna Lisa IS NOT bare Bones. it has an Audio Commentary by Director Neil Jordan And Actor Bob Hoskins which IS NOT on the ANchor Bay release.

MoviePage
07-28-09, 01:52 PM
I sat in front of my tv with no distractions, and watched the whole movie in one sitting, and at the end, if you asked, I could not tell you what that movie was about...

:hscratch: The underground French Resistance to Nazi occupation?

And that's just the surface.

gglass4269
07-28-09, 07:33 PM
:hscratch: The underground French Resistance to Nazi occupation?

And that's just the surface.

I think it was very confusing and jumbled, not in the good kind of way, but in the bad direction kind of way. Like wtf was up with the first 20 minutes. That had absolutely no bearing on the rest of the movie, and them it jumps a couple months into the future without any kind of explination as to what the new plot/characters are doing. I think the srtanglation of the man in the rented room could have been set up alot more. I hate the feeling I get when a movie is confusing, when I know it's not supposed to be.

NoirFan
07-28-09, 09:37 PM
Is anyone else curious to read gglass4269's reviews?

gglass4269
07-28-09, 09:43 PM
Is anyone else curious to read gglass4269's reviews?

here you go!

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/36526/taking-chance/

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/36302/friday-the-13th/

Unfortunately, I took on a full time job and enlisted in the Navy within a week of becoming a reviewer, but now that things are starting to get settled down, I'm hoping to start writing some fresh ones! First up will be the classic Night of the Hunter.

NoirFan
07-28-09, 09:51 PM
First up will be the classic Night of the Hunter.

Wait, is this going to be a review of the delayed SE?? If it's back on schedule, that would truly make my month.

gglass4269
07-28-09, 10:19 PM
no, the original dvd release. I'm waiting too for the SE. its one of my most anticipated.

TheDuke
07-30-09, 12:18 AM
Just watched Brazil for the first time in it's entirety. I couldn't get through it the last time I started it... It was alright, quite funny and interesting. I think I'll have to buy it somewhere down the line.

GenPion
07-31-09, 04:35 PM
The Third Man is, for me, an over-rated film.

It's good... but not up my alley. I was disappointed by it.

visitor Q
07-31-09, 07:02 PM
I think it was very confusing and jumbled, not in the good kind of way, but in the bad direction kind of way. Like wtf was up with the first 20 minutes. That had absolutely no bearing on the rest of the movie, and them it jumps a couple months into the future without any kind of explination as to what the new plot/characters are doing. I think the srtanglation of the man in the rented room could have been set up alot more. I hate the feeling I get when a movie is confusing, when I know it's not supposed to be.

I had trouble getting into the beginning of the film because I couldn't establish a sense of anything. Even in hindsight I feel essentially the same way as you do about it ..it could have been completely removed.

Although the strangulation scene I feel differently about. It helped set the tone of the film and the seriousness involved - leaving the motives to be established later in the film.

Overall I think the film is a fascinating and compelling exploration of the human dynamics involving a group of people (French Resistance) caught between a rock and a seriously hard place.

I'd actually really like to know how, or if this compares to some of Malle's works, specifically, Lacombe, Lucien.

Trevor
08-03-09, 01:41 PM
Decided to chuck the alphabetical leaning in my "watch one unwatched DVD per day" rule, and concentrate on Criterions. Remembering my negative comment on it here, gave Withnail and I a second chance.

Was able to make it past 15 minutes this time, and actually ended up enjoying it. Don't think it will become a favorite or get re-watched often, but wouldn't be totally surprised if the film ends up growing on me a bit. I'm going to watch the documentary on it tomorrow.

manicsounds
08-03-09, 08:26 PM
Decided to chuck the alphabetical leaning in my "watch one unwatched DVD per day" rule

I got curious and counted how many movies that are unwatched in my collection, or unfinished (compilations or TV series) and came to the staggering number of 623 titles(!) A number of Criterions in there too.

Trevor
08-03-09, 08:39 PM
I got curious and counted how many movies that are unwatched in my collection, or unfinished (compilations or TV series) and came to the staggering number of 623 titles(!) A number of Criterions in there too.
I wish my number was that low.

You should check out the monthly unwatched threads (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/dvd-talk/559167-unwatched-movie-pile-august-09-a.html)that Mister Peepers facilitates here.

Carcosa
08-12-09, 09:56 PM
The Third Man is, for me, an over-rated film.

It's good... but not up my alley. I was disappointed by it.

Its a pretty damn good DVD / Blu-ray package though. The original first Criterion release was pretty limited in its extras by current standards.

The DEVIL AND DANIEL WEBSTER is one of my favorite films, and Criterion did a great job with the restored version...but I think I may actually prefer the truncated release that was on home video prior on VHS. The fantasy element was stronger and the New Deal political aspect in the longer cut kind of drags it a bit for me. They should have included both versions.

dvd_luver
08-15-09, 02:50 PM
The original Salo DVD, the video transfer was terrible.

ResIpsa
08-16-09, 04:42 AM
Three words:

Fishing With John

Double_Oh_7
08-16-09, 05:27 PM
All of them. They are overpriced, pretentious films.

Carcosa
08-16-09, 11:46 PM
All of them. They are overpriced, pretentious films.

Not really. How can anyone think EQUINOX or ROBINSON CRUSOE ON MARS is pretentious?

toddly6666
08-23-09, 10:55 PM
I just rented THE SPIRIT OF THE BEEHIVE. What a boring piece of shit film. And I almost blind bought this film based on all the praise of this being considered "the best Spanish film from the 1970s". Good acting by the two main girls, but overall bad flick.

ResIpsa
08-24-09, 01:35 AM
I just rented THE SPIRIT OF THE BEEHIVE. What a boring piece of shit film. And I almost blind bought this film based on all the praise of this being considered "the best Spanish film from the 1970s". Good acting by the two main girls, but overall bad flick.

You might want to try "L'Aventurra." I think there are more car crashes in that one. And when I think "piece of shit" films, I think Salo.... ;)

toddly6666
08-24-09, 09:05 AM
You might want to try "L'Aventurra." I think there are more car crashes in that one. And when I think "piece of shit" films, I think Salo.... ;)

In "L'Aventurra", are there any martial arts and gun fight scenes? ;)

There's some "shit-worthy" scene in Criterion's "Sweet Movie" too (Sweet Movie was a good movie though, I still have to rent Salo and see how bad it is).

Giles
08-24-09, 09:57 AM
In "L'Aventurra", are there any martial arts and gun fight scenes? ;)

There's some "shit-worthy" scene in Criterion's "Sweet Movie" too (Sweet Movie was a good movie though, I still have to rent Salo and see how bad it is).

:rimshot:

WEEDEDOUT
10-29-09, 01:14 PM
http://www.viceland.com/blogs/en/2009/10/29/criterions-little-fuck-ups/

UGH

TheDuke
10-29-09, 03:09 PM
Salo is not bad, just controversial. I thought it was a wonderful movie.

cranberries fan
10-29-09, 03:29 PM
I just rented THE SPIRIT OF THE BEEHIVE. What a boring piece of shit film. And I almost blind bought this film based on all the praise of this being considered "the best Spanish film from the 1970s". Good acting by the two main girls, but overall bad flick.

WOW I guess one man's trash is anyone man's gold (I own the title).

I love the Frankenstein (1931) tie-in to the story and it's a wonderful flim you should watch it again.

Chadm
10-30-09, 04:28 AM
I'm gonna have to cast my vote for Days Of Heaven. Just give us a WORD Terry. Please, just say SOMETHING. Also, I would have killed to have seen a current interview with Linda Manz.

Dick
11-04-09, 06:07 PM
Salo

Bought it for like $700 off Ebay. I watched about half an hour then turned it off and tossed it in the trash.

I am reading this post years after the fact. I do not believe anyone would toss into the trash a DVD that cost as much as SALO cost this poster, hwoever much it actually was. He'd have re-sold it, and gotten his asking price. Why even make a false statement like this on a forum where people know better?

Dick
11-04-09, 06:20 PM
I don't know if I'd necessarily say that. I'm a big 50's sci-fi fan and I loved Fiend Without A Face. It reminded me of other classic cheese-fests like The Brain from Planet Arous.

FIEND WITHOUT A FACE is one of the films that was regularly shown on t.v. (unut) when I was young. The acting isn't great -- in a few cases it is quite terrible -- and the dialog is mediocre, but damned if the last twenty minutes aren't pretty awesome and (for sixties t.v. broadcast) incredibly graphic. The last quarter of the film, for me, is worth the price of admission, and the Criterion DVD captures it with perfection.

Dick
11-04-09, 06:53 PM
Good Burger. I mean, come on, this is the same company releasing Seven Samurai, M, and Armageddon...D

There are a great many people on this forum and elsewhere who would insist that GOOD BURGER is infitely superior to ARMAGGEDEN. I have not seen GOOD BURGER, but for my money ARMAGEDDEN and damned near everything having Michael Bay's stamp upon it is second string to films generally acknowledged to be the worst films of all time, such as EEGAH! and MANOS: THE HANDS OF FATE. Obviously this is all a matter of very personal opinion.

shellebelle
11-04-09, 08:33 PM
I just watched The Last Wave. It was ok, but not something that I'll run out and buy tomorrow. I did recognize an Aboriginal actor that's been in quite a few movies, lately Australia. But they didn't even show any scenery that might have saved the movie. All in all, it was a waste of an hour and 45 minutes.

big e
11-04-09, 09:56 PM
I just watched The Last Wave. It was ok, but not something that I'll run out and buy tomorrow. I did recognize an Aboriginal actor that's been in quite a few movies, lately Australia. But they didn't even show any scenery that might have saved the movie. All in all, it was a waste of an hour and 45 minutes.

Those are pretty much my same thoughts on it. I thought the movie was alright, but nothing special and I don't think I would have lost anything by not seeing it.

FIEND WITHOUT A FACE is one of the films that was regularly shown on t.v. (unut) when I was young. The acting isn't great -- in a few cases it is quite terrible -- and the dialog is mediocre, but damned if the last twenty minutes aren't pretty awesome and (for sixties t.v. broadcast) incredibly graphic. The last quarter of the film, for me, is worth the price of admission, and the Criterion DVD captures it with perfection.

I just watched Fiend Without a Face about a week or so ago and thought it was a pretty fun movie to watch. Yea, its not a 5-star work of art, but I still had a good time watching it. (And I like '50s and '60s b-movies so it was a treat for me to watch it)

fargreg
11-06-09, 10:11 PM
http://www.viceland.com/blogs/en/2009/10/29/criterions-little-fuck-ups/

UGH

I like most of those movies...

inri222
11-07-09, 12:42 AM
http://www.viceland.com/blogs/en/2009/10/29/criterions-little-fuck-ups/


Agree
Armageddon
Chasing Amy
The Rock
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
The Last Days of Disco
The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou

Disagree
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
Man Bites Dog
The Man Who Fell to Earth
Night on Earth

ResIpsa
11-08-09, 06:25 AM
He's dead wrong on "The Man Who Fell To Earth" and "Fear and Loathing..." The rest are crap, although for me Wes Anderson's use of Devo's "Gut Feeling" in the soundtrack for "Life Aquatic" makes the film worthwhile.

The comments in that link are brutal :)