Continued from Part 2:
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=504092
Suprmallet
10-19-07, 11:54 PM
This is a good time to reiterate that bashing is not allowed on either format. Please keep this in mind as you post here.
pro-bassoonist
10-20-07, 01:35 AM
SomethingMore:
Really?
I'd say they left because they were actually questioned/confronted about the "information" they were giving.
The reason why they left is because Amir started bringing their real names to the public even though anonymity was agreed upon. That is why they moved away.
Regardless...it is old news!
Pro-B
The Bus
10-20-07, 09:06 AM
Blu-Ray.com is pretty awful. I got banned from there within a few days. And I'm a PS3 owner. :(
The 40GB PlayStation 3 (bundled with Spider-man 3 BD) is well on it's way to the homes of future gamers with Amazon.com now taking pre-orders for Sony's next-generation game system. The website states it will be available on November 2nd; just in time for all of this year's holiday releases.
Listed features include a SIXAXIS controller, 1080p Hi-Def Video Output, Wi-Fi, a Blu-Ray Disc Player, and Spider-Man 3 on Blu-Ray. All in all, the 40GB PS3 has just about everything the other SKU's have to offer at the slight cost of hard disk space. With the 100 Dollar price difference this could be the edge Sony needs in order to dominate this holiday's sales.
Ciao,
Pro-B
tonymontana313
10-21-07, 01:30 PM
Damn, now I am seriously considering buying a 3rd PS3.
GizmoDVD
10-21-07, 02:05 PM
The HUGE problem with that ad is
All in all, the 40GB PS3 has just about everything the other SKU's have to offer at the slight cost of hard disk space.
Which is WRONG. They need to mention that it is NOT Backwards Compatible and will not play PS2 games at all, ever. I'm hoping that is not the final artwork and they make mention of that fact somewhere on the box where normal folk can see it (not hidden on the sidebar in 8 inch font). Otherwise they are going to get a lot of unhappy customers thinking its BC like the other ones.
pro-bassoonist
10-21-07, 02:20 PM
The experts believe it is time to get a PS3.
Article source: PC WORLD
http://blogs.pcworld.com/gameon/archives/005721.html
It's officially official: the recently announced $400 40GB PlayStation 3 slips onto shelves in the United States on November 2, while the 80GB model drops $100 to $500, giving Sony a much needed one-two sales punch this coming holiday season. The 40GB model's arrival is crucial, because it's just $50 more than Microsoft's $350 Xbox 360 Premium.
I've spent plenty of time lambasting Sony for its arguably Napoleonic posturing this last year, and I think rightly so. The company must have known for months leading up to its debut last November that its pricing and component costs were out of control. Combine that with the PS3's incredibly powerful but developmentally grueling architecture, and the notion that Sony might have a Sega Saturn on its hands was hardly inconceivable.
But hold up a second. Leaving aside Sony's mediocre software library, which time and money suggests will look radically different in 2008, just what sort of value proposition is the PlayStation 3 in light of the latest price drops and model reshuffles? Let's have a look.
Note: Chart updated to clarify hard-drive upgradeability and add comparison pricing based on comparable specs.
Going by my chart, Sony's PlayStation 3 handily thumps Microsoft's Xbox 360 if you're judging apples to apples. Oh sure, you have more entry-level "bare-bones" buying options with the 360, but how many of you won't eventually pick up that $100 wireless card so you can play in front of any TV in the house without a cable? The hard drive (on the entry-level "Arcade" 360) so you can download demos and import music and store unlimited saved games and avoid jerky performance in certain hard-drive-preferred games? The $50 a year Xbox Gold membership so you can play Xbox 360 games against other players online? Even without the $180 HD-DVD player to view high-definition movies, add the rest up and you get "practical use" configurations that rate notably more expensive than Sony's all-in-one PlayStation 3.
Last week I asked "What do you want most this holiday season?" I expected the PS3 to take a drubbing. Out of 907 votes, the PS3 snatched 36% (323 votes), compared with 22% for the Wii (203 votes) and a marginal 8% (71 votes) for the Xbox 360.
A sign of things to come?
We've established that the PlayStation 3 is secretly less expensive than the Xbox 360 -- at least forty bucks -- if (and I say again, if) you load the 360 with comparable accessories like Wi-Fi, a hard drive, and online multiplayer. If high-def optical playback matters to you, add another $180 to the Xbox 360's tag and make room on your shelf for a bulky peripheral. If you want more storage, you can either pay the Microsoft Hard Drive Tax ($180 for a 120GB hard drive? I just bought a 320GB external at Best Buy for $80!) or go without, no ifs, ands, or buts. Unless you're willing to pay more long term for the privilege of paying less upfront, the PlayStation 3 is therefore probably the better deal, dollar for dollar.
But what about the games?
Of the two systems, Microsoft's Xbox 360 has the better overall exclusives library at the moment. BioShock, Halo 3, Geometry Wars, Forza 2, Project Gotham Racing 4 (and if we time travel a bit, Gears of War, Dead Rising, Dead or Alive 4, Viva Pinata, Crackdown, etc.). Sony has Resistance: Fall of Man, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, MotorStorm, and that's about it if we're not counting you loony bell curve throws who think Genji and Lair and Untold Legends were underrated. Granted, Microsoft's already played its 2007 holiday hand with Halo 3 and BioShock, and the only 360 exclusive I'm watching between now and December 31 is Bioware's Mass Effect.
What about Sony's holiday lineup? There's Eye of Judgment, the first PlayStation Eye game. Use real cards on a real cloth map to wage strategically complex fantasy battles against the computer or anyone else online, all courtesy the PlayStation Eye, which reads 2D bar codes off the cards and "judges" gameplay accordingly. Niche? Count on it, but hey, I'm not into card games, and I'm into Eye of Judgment. If that sounds even a little bit intriguing, you can read my review here at PC World in a day or two.
Then there's Time Crisis 4...a rail shooter. Sorry, but I simply despise rail shooters. Always have, always will, even if the new alternative FPS mode sounds one-thumb-halfway-up interesting. If you love rail shooters and pointing a light-gun-peripheral at your screen and having your perspective yanked around by a sadistic camera, count Time Crisis 4 in Sony's favor, even if I won't.
Most promising game on deck? Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction. I can't talk about it yet, but oh what I'd say if I could...
That leaves Uncharted: Drake's Fortune and Haze, which we've seen and heard little enough about of late that I wouldn't absolutely count on the latter game making its release date. Drake's Fortune is supposed to go gold any day but who knows and my Sony contact just emailed to confirm it's going to make its November 20th ship date.
Drake's Fortune has me thinking Treasure of the Sierra Madre or Raiders of the Lost Ark (or Tales of the Gold Monkey, if anyone remember that little TV gem). Designed by Naughty Dog, the guys responsible for Jak & Daxter and Crash Bandicoot, it may appeal to fortune hunting fans if it has more to sell than its pretty engine and some Tomb Raider worship. The other game, Haze, is a first-person shooter by Free Radical (the TimeSplitters guys) and looks like it wants to go hog-to-hog with Halo. Think more serious in tone than TimeSplitters, 24-player online battles, and an AI system (dubbed "Conspire") that's supposed to let enemies "react dynamically." What's "dynamically"? Good question. Everyone claims it -- no one ever quite lives up to it.
In other words, while Sony's revised PS3 pricing may be romancing your pocketbook, caveat emptor unless you're not expecting the Sony equivalent of A Very Halo 3 Holiday, or you're content to party with your PS2's (or in the case of the 40GB PS3, PS1-only) library.
Ciao,
Pro-B
Drexl
10-21-07, 02:33 PM
Wow, they're still calling it "Blu-ray DVD." Also, that chart is wrong about the non-Elite 360 models having HDMI. They probably should also mention that the Xbox emulation is limited.
PerryD
10-21-07, 04:37 PM
that chart is wrong about the non-Elite 360 models having HDMI.
All 360s have HDMI now, including the recently released $280 Arcade bundle which was the core upgraded with HDMI, Wireless controller, some Live games, and 256MB(I think) memory card.
I'm a little disappointed that neither the PS3 or 360 are more aggressive with their system pricing. The original 60GB PS3 should be $399, not a stripped down version. And Microsoft should have dropped the standard model to $299 and killed the hard drive lacking core mode altogether. I think sales will continue to be subdued these holidays, they are overestimating the number of people willing to spend over $300 for a video game. The sweet spot will be $199, and it looks like it'll be next fall before the 360 gets there, and at least 2 more years before the PS3 gets there.
mazzystar
10-21-07, 05:24 PM
I guess I'll be grabbing one. The price has come down enough to where I can split the cost with my brother who will be using the gaming aspect, and I the blu ray. Kinda excited now. Never thought I'd buy into blu ray but they have some pretty good movies that just aren't available on hd dvd so I'm in.
Harry Lime
10-21-07, 06:36 PM
How about another 100 dollars off?
Thanks to the orignal poster DAMNSAM77 for posting this over in the blu-ray forum.
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RichC2
10-21-07, 07:14 PM
I'd just wait for another $250 Chase CC Sign-up offer.
But then, thats just me.
brianluvdvd
10-21-07, 07:57 PM
That article that Pro-B posted may seem like it is promoting the PS3 but when reading it, it actually seems to make the PS3 sound inferior...they just don't let the article come across that way.
The most important aspect that the article briefly touches on...the exclusive games. If that is the upcoming list that is supposed to make everyone want a PS3 or a 360...that's just sad. The PS3 exclusives don't come close to the list the 360 has out now. That's a fact.
The pack-ins that Sony is offering is inferior to the 360: I looked on metacritic.com for the reviews (instead of my personal opinion).
Spider-man 3 - a rating of 60 out of 100
Motorstorm - 82 out of 100
The 360 is giving two games with a rating of 82 & 90 out of 100 (Marvel Alliance & Forza respectively)
The basic model that comes with Arcade Unplugged had no rating that I could find on Metacritic but gamerankings.com gave it a ranking of 69 out of 100. (But who is going to buy the core system anyway?)
The PS3 only gives composite cables...lame. The Xbox at least gives component cables on the 20gb pro and both component and HDMI on the Elite. There is money cost right there that the article fails to mention.
No headset included for the PS3? Another extra money cost there as well that is not mentioned.
Yeah, Xbox charges $50 for live (but you can find 13 month cards out there for $40 or less at most places every week on sale) and no one who has played on both networks will argue that the PS3 network is superior or even on par to Xbox Live. That's a fact. Isn't $40 worth that?
Yeah, there is no wi-fi included and that can be a big deal for many. Personally I prefer to hard-wire my online connection due to dropouts and poor service from most wi-fi products and/or internet providers. There is nothing worse than getting lag in a game or being dropped out.
I will agree that the cost of the 360 add-on Hard-drive is outrageous. If they want to compete they really need to get real and lower that price.
I am by no means a PS3 basher or a Xbox fanboy. I am just pointing out many facts that the pro-PS3 article fails to mention. I have an interest in the PS3 but that article makes more strikes against it for me than ones that actually sell it. Just a thought.
theflyingdutch
10-21-07, 08:02 PM
Blu-Ray.com is pretty awful. I got banned from there within a few days. And I'm a PS3 owner. :(
Owning a PS3 doesn't mean a whole lot. There are many HD-DVD fans who may have a BD and go there to start a ruckus.
chanster
10-21-07, 09:00 PM
How about another 100 dollars off?
Yeah if you apply for a credit card..not thanks.
RichC2
10-21-07, 09:53 PM
That article that Pro-B posted may seem like it is promoting the PS3 but when reading it, it actually seems to make the PS3 sound inferior...they just don't let the article come across that way.
The most important aspect that the article briefly touches on...the exclusive games. If that is the upcoming list that is supposed to make everyone want a PS3 or a 360...that's just sad. The PS3 exclusives don't come close to the list the 360 has out now. That's a fact.
The pack-ins that Sony is offering is inferior to the 360: I looked on metacritic.com for the reviews (instead of my personal opinion).
Spider-man 3 - a rating of 60 out of 100
Motorstorm - 82 out of 100
The 360 is giving two games with a rating of 82 & 90 out of 100 (Marvel Alliance & Forza respectively)
The basic model that comes with Arcade Unplugged had no rating that I could find on Metacritic but gamerankings.com gave it a ranking of 69 out of 100. (But who is going to buy the core system anyway?)
The PS3 only gives composite cables...lame. The Xbox at least gives component cables on the 20gb pro and both component and HDMI on the Elite. There is money cost right there that the article fails to mention.
No headset included for the PS3? Another extra money cost there as well that is not mentioned.
Yeah, Xbox charges $50 for live (but you can find 13 month cards out there for $40 or less at most places every week on sale) and no one who has played on both networks will argue that the PS3 network is superior or even on par to Xbox Live. That's a fact. Isn't $40 worth that?
Yeah, there is no wi-fi included and that can be a big deal for many. Personally I prefer to hard-wire my online connection due to dropouts and poor service from most wi-fi products and/or internet providers. There is nothing worse than getting lag in a game or being dropped out.
I will agree that the cost of the 360 add-on Hard-drive is outrageous. If they want to compete they really need to get real and lower that price.
I am by no means a PS3 basher or a Xbox fanboy. I am just pointing out many facts that the pro-PS3 article fails to mention. I have an interest in the PS3 but that article makes more strikes against it for me than ones that actually sell it. Just a thought.
Just to note, thats Spider-man 3 the movie on Blu, not the game. Kind of unfair to rate em the same since movies generally have a tougher time than games in terms of meta score. An 82 for Motorstorm is generous. But anyway, yeah, it is your standard article on the subject.
Theres no denying it is a fantastic value for those in the market for a Bluray player now, imo, both as a PS3 and Bluray player, the system is still $100 too expensive at $399.
Spiky
10-21-07, 10:44 PM
With the 100 Dollar price difference this could be the edge Sony needs in order to dominate this holiday's sales.[/i]
Ciao,
Pro-B
Interesting that they, and everyone here, seem to be ignoring the Wii. Which I believe is in the lead for sales this year. So, is this about movie machines or game machines?
The Cow
10-21-07, 10:49 PM
Interesting that they, and everyone here, seem to be ignoring the Wii. Which I believe is in the lead for sales this year. So, is this about movie machines or game machines?
What forum are you in? -wink-
Suprmallet
10-21-07, 10:50 PM
Yeah, the Wii is still the hot ticket item a year after its launch, and going into this Christmas with titles like Mario Galaxy, it's easily going to take the sales lead for video game systems.
kefrank
10-21-07, 10:59 PM
as strictly a game machine, the ps3 is still too expensive even at $399. as possibly the best and most versatile blu-ray player, $399 is a pretty nice price.
Artman
10-21-07, 11:39 PM
Question: The current $600 80gb PS3 is a bundle, is the same bundle going to now be $500 or is it just the PS3 unit?
I'm hoping Amazon offers an additional blu-ray or two (like they were....included 300, blood diamond, etc) so I might hold out for a deal. (yes I know about the 5 blu-ray mail offer)
QuePaso
10-22-07, 12:07 AM
Question: The current $600 80gb PS3 is a bundle, is the same bundle going to now be $500 or is it just the PS3 unit?
I'm hoping Amazon offers an additional blu-ray or two (like they were....included 300, blood diamond, etc) so I might hold out for a deal. (yes I know about the 5 blu-ray mail offer)
The 80 gig is now 499 and still comes with Motorstorm for free inside the box. It also does PS2 gaming and SACD as well.
Harry Lime
10-22-07, 12:31 AM
Old Spielberg films not going HD-DVD after all
We recently reported that Steven Spielberg movies were seen in Universal Studios' Japanese presentation for a HD-DVD event, sparking curiosity and raising eyebrows among the ranks of the format war-conscious. Fortunately, Spielberg's spokesperson Marvin Levy made things clear by saying that the content shown in the Universal presentation was a mistake and matters will be corrected by the film giant. "There are no plans to release these titles on HD DVD. It was a mistake and someone inadvertently put those titles into a presentation," says Levy.
Steven Spielberg has made it clear early in this generation of media formats that he was a Blu-ray supporter, and refused to have his past and future films distributed in the HD-DVD format, making it a very surprising sight to see the titles E.T., Jurassic Park, Back to the Future, and other all-time greats in a huge screen presented to a HD-DVD audience.
Universal, whom Spielberg has worked with in the past, took the side of HD-DVD a few months ago when it announced along with Dreamworks that it was going to go exclusive with the Toshiba-backed format. However, Spielberg's work has been declared exempted from the pact. Levy says Universal Studios is expected to issue a public statement in the following days to clear up the issue to everyone.
Here's to Schindler's List only on Blu-ray. :toast:
Suprmallet
10-22-07, 12:39 AM
The 80GB also has partial BC, which is certainly better than no BC in the 40GB, but not as good as the full BC the 60GB had.
jiggawhat
10-22-07, 01:02 AM
The 80GB also has partial BC, which is certainly better than no BC in the 40GB, but not as good as the full BC the 60GB had.
I really don't get Sony on this. I mean how much can it cost them to put in the chip for BC. I mean doesn't that chip cost next to nothing now. It's really ridiculous for them to just up and get rid of it. I don't get their logic on this one.
Suprmallet
10-22-07, 01:05 AM
They wouldn't be Sony if they did things logically. ;)
Here's to Schindler's List only on Blu-ray. :toast:
forgive me if i don't give much credence to that "news," which confuses paramount with universal.
kefrank
10-22-07, 03:34 AM
I really don't get Sony on this. I mean how much can it cost them to put in the chip for BC. I mean doesn't that chip cost next to nothing now. It's really ridiculous for them to just up and get rid of it. I don't get their logic on this one.
i believe they've stated it's because they want to encourage people to move beyond PS2 games and buy PS3 games.
Umm...the only news portion of this is the OLD quote. And the whole article messes up Paramount and Universal.
Secondly, Spielberg has never said he was format exclusive..what has said he is probably doesn't want it on HD DVD only (as the Paramount pact requires other titles)..so nice try, but you are wrong.
Suprmallet
10-22-07, 08:55 AM
i believe they've stated it's because they want to encourage people to move beyond PS2 games and buy PS3 games.
Ouch. That's a pretty lame excuse and points to their lack of sales for PS3 software.
Arpeggi
10-22-07, 09:13 AM
Worst excuse ever.
dsa_shea
10-22-07, 10:06 AM
Ouch. That's a pretty lame excuse and points to their lack of sales for PS3 software.
Is the 360 backwards compatible? Oh I forgot that they just stopped making Xbox games in the middle of the night leaving first generation adopters out in the cold. At least Sony didn't do this. Also, Microsoft lied about the existense of their "Elite" unit up until about a week or two before it was actually released. Why people choose to bash Sony and blindly worship Microsoft is beyond understanding.
tonymontana313
10-22-07, 10:12 AM
Is the 360 backwards compatible? Oh I forgot that they just stopped making Xbox games in the middle of the night leaving first generation adopters out in the cold. At least Sony didn't do this. Also, Microsoft lied about the existense of their "Elite" unit up until about a week or two before it was actually released. Why people choose to bash Sony and blindly worship Microsoft is beyond understanding.
Especially with as many shoddy systems out in the market. I've been burned twice with RROD and I'm pissed as hell at Microsoft for putting a shitty product in the market place. Yes I know they have a 3 year warranty but by the time you send it to them and by the time you get it back, that's already a month right there.
I'm not disparaging the games on the system, because they're great but what good are games when you don't have a system to play it on.
chanster
10-22-07, 10:16 AM
Except that one of the original PS3 selling features was its ability to play PS2 games...now thats gone..
Its not the cost of the PS2 hardware that is driving this decision, Sony is obviously concerned about the fact that the PS2 continues to sell well..so they are trying to limit the market for PS2 games...so instead of buying a used PS2 game or a greatest hit you have to buy $60 games to go along with your $400 system...no thanks..I will wait...I mainly want this as a Blu-Ray player, and I figure Blu ray players will be sub $300 within a few months..
In my view, Sony is panicking by announcing another price drop with a stripped down PS3..they need to get some PS3 units in houses this holiday season, and this bastard version still fits the bill.
RichC2
10-22-07, 10:16 AM
Is the 360 backwards compatible? Oh I forgot that they just stopped making Xbox games in the middle of the night leaving first generation adopters out in the cold. At least Sony didn't do this. Also, Microsoft lied about the existense of their "Elite" unit up until about a week or two before it was actually released. Why people choose to bash Sony and blindly worship Microsoft is beyond understanding.
Wow, way to take something from nothing and turn it into a Microsoft rant. Nice work. :rolleyes:
mzupeman2
10-22-07, 10:18 AM
Is the 360 backwards compatible? Oh I forgot that they just stopped making Xbox games in the middle of the night leaving first generation adopters out in the cold. At least Sony didn't do this. Also, Microsoft lied about the existense of their "Elite" unit up until about a week or two before it was actually released. Why people choose to bash Sony and blindly worship Microsoft is beyond understanding.
Well the Xbox wasn't as strong of a system sales wise compared to the PS2. The PS2 is STILL going strong.
Also, Sony denies reports of lowering sales prices and releases of newer models in the same manner you accuse Xbox of doing. Not to mention, Sony made a commitment to its consumers about backwards compatability. Now they're saying 'well it evens out to buy the cheaper model now out and buy a PS2'. So come on, be fair here.
I'm not a Sony hater, and I'm not a 360 fanboy. But I do keep a close eye on news in gaming, and BOTH sides are guilty of the same kind of withholding of information. Don't hold Sony in a higher light here, because you're ignoring the other side of the facts here.
kefrank
10-22-07, 10:33 AM
Ouch. That's a pretty lame excuse and points to their lack of sales for PS3 software.
i agree it does come off as a bit lame. that said, i can understand why they would do it from a business perspective.
they still sell a lot of PS2 systems. if someone wants both a PS2 and a PS3, they can buy the 80GB PS3 with BC or they can buy a real PS2 and a 40GB PS3 for about the same total price. either choice would maximize Sony's short-term profit on PS2 capability, for those who want it, since we know that the 80GB PS3 doesn't cost that much more to produce than the 40GB. and for those who don't care about PS2 capability, the lower-priced 40GB PS3 should send a ton more systems into homes. that's good in the long-term for Sony, as it gets all that many more Blu-ray players in homes, as well as encourages the video game software developers who have been less than impressed with the system's inability to meet Sony's target sales volume and probably find it much more compelling to just keep making PS2 games.
it is pretty annoying for some consumers, but i do think it makes fairly decent business sense.
Qui Gon Jim
10-22-07, 11:00 AM
forgive me if i don't give much credence to that "news," which confuses paramount with universal.
Agreed. This report is also old and full of spin. The current stance, IIRC, is that Spielberg would rather have dual platform releases or no releases. Is this still accurate? This blurb gives hope to those thinking Jaws will come to BD.
The Bus
10-22-07, 11:03 AM
Well the Xbox wasn't as strong of a system sales wise compared to the PS2. The PS2 is STILL going strong.
Only when you compare it against the PS3.
Adam Tyner
10-22-07, 11:17 AM
The current stance, IIRC, is that Spielberg would rather have dual platform releases or no releases. Is this still accurate?I think it might be the other way around -- he's not opposed to a release on HD DVD but wants there to be a Blu-ray release in any event. (BD only? Okay. Both BD and HD DVD? Okay. HD DVD only? No dice.) There's no indication that he's putting any pressure on Sony for an HD DVD of Close Encounters.
mzupeman2
10-22-07, 11:19 AM
In general. Games still come out for it. New ones.
GizmoDVD
10-22-07, 11:38 AM
Is the 360 backwards compatible? Oh I forgot that they just stopped making Xbox games in the middle of the night leaving first generation adopters out in the cold. At least Sony didn't do this. Also, Microsoft lied about the existense of their "Elite" unit up until about a week or two before it was actually released. Why people choose to bash Sony and blindly worship Microsoft is beyond understanding.
360 is BC, yes. Xbox sold a total of what, 15 million systems worldwide. How many did PS2 sell? 130 Million and growing. PS3 being BC is more important then Xbox especially since PS2 is still selling, and BETTER then the PS3. 360 at least have some BC, while PS3 will soon have 0. I'm sure this 'No BC' will be passed on to all future PS3s as well.
As for the Elite...who cares? All it had was an HDMI port and was black. Is that such a big deal? We all knew about the 40GB PS3 with Spider-Man for 2 months and Sony denied its existence. Best Buy has a SKU for it and it was denied. The SKU rang up at Target and Sony denied. They just 3 days ago announced its existence, 2 weeks before it was due to be sold.
Please, do us all a favor and don't compare Xbox 360 to the PS3. The 360 is enjoying a nice 5:1 sales and the Wii is at 6:1. Feel free to bash either of those systems when PS3 actually starts to sell more then the PS2.
Here's to Schindler's List only on Blu-ray. :toast:
IIRC, Aside from this being old news and from an unknown source...these studios can release his movie. He does not own them (Unlike Lucas, who does). The only reason they are not is to not piss him off. Spielberg is rumored to be close to taking Dreamworks and going over to Universal...so why would Universal piss him off? Regardless, while some of his movies are great, none of them will "turn the war" in HD DVDs favor. Most people are still have with their $20 BTTF set and $10 Jaws DVD to spend $200+ on an HD DVD player and $45 on a disc (might as well go with his running price considering CE3K, right?)
Burnt Thru
10-22-07, 11:47 AM
selling a ps3 at a reduced price which isn't backwards compatible with ps2 games is pretty clever and works for them in many areas of their business. of course it's not quite such a win for consumers, but then which business has the best interests of it's consumers in mind when making decisions? those bitching about it in this thread seem to be the usual suspects who moan about bd at any given opertunity. and, no, it doesn't matter if they hide behind the pretense of dual format support.
i'm not sure why this thread seems to attract so much activity, when there are far more interesting things happening in the world of hd dvd with regard to triple layer and region coding...
tonymontana313
10-22-07, 12:20 PM
Has anyone that has watched Meet the Robinsons comment on it? I've heard the PQ on it is quite excellent and am leaning towards buying it but just wanted to get some thoughts first.
GizmoDVD
10-22-07, 01:02 PM
i'm not sure why this thread seems to attract so much activity, when there are far more interesting things happening in the world of hd dvd with regard to triple layer and region coding...
You're right. Its been confirmed by several insiders TL51 is a go and works on all machines, including Gen 1. Region Coding still was never a promised aspect of HD DVD so if it goes...oh well.
GizmoDVD
10-22-07, 01:03 PM
Has anyone that has watched Meet the Robinsons comment on it? I've heard the PQ on it is quite excellent and am leaning towards buying it but just wanted to get some thoughts first.
Not my kind of movie, but the previews made the HD aspect look amazing. I do, however, think the ads saying "Blu-ray Exclusive" when it is in fact going to be on both SD and Blu-ray a bit misleading.
kefrank
10-22-07, 01:35 PM
i'm not sure why this thread seems to attract so much activity, when there are far more interesting things happening in the world of hd dvd with regard to triple layer and region coding...
nothing new has come out on either of those issues in weeks. TL51 is in testing and has been for awhile. region coding is up in the air and has been since the format's inception.
the release of a lower-priced PS3 is actual recent news and is much more discussion-worthy.
pro-bassoonist
10-22-07, 01:41 PM
You're right. Its been confirmed by several insiders TL51 is a go and works on all machines, including Gen 1. Region Coding still was never a promised aspect of HD DVD so if it goes...oh well.
Aside from the rumor you posted what other insiders have confirmed that TL works on ALL machines?
Pro-B
GizmoDVD
10-22-07, 01:48 PM
Aside from the rumor you posted what other insiders have confirmed that TL works on ALL machines?
Pro-B
Correct. I was responding to Burnts comments, not yours. Region coding was never a promised aspect of HD DVD. Its there, but it was never announced by the HD DVD group as a promised aspect. TL51 will not come to light if its not compatible with all players, at least thats what everyone has heard. I'm sorry, we shouldn't even be discussing this in a Blu-ray thread, but when someone who has no real knowledge of a format (or even owns it) posts FUD, someone should respond.
tonymontana313
10-22-07, 01:52 PM
Correct. I was responding to Burnts comments, not yours. Region coding was never a promised aspect of HD DVD. Its there, but it was never announced by the HD DVD group as a promised aspect. TL51 will not come to light if its not compatible with all players, at least thats what everyone has heard. I'm sorry, we shouldn't even be discussing this in a Blu-ray thread, but when someone who has no real knowledge of a format (or even owns it) posts FUD, someone should respond.
Until someone like Amir can confirm it, I refuse to believe any info that rdjam has to offer. Amir has been very careful with his wording when it comes to the TL51 which leads me to believe that there are issues and it won't see the light of day.
pro-bassoonist
10-22-07, 01:58 PM
Correct. I was responding to Burnts comments, not yours
It does not matter whether or not you were responding to my comment.This is a public forum and everyone has the right to read/question what is posted.
What does matter is that once again you stated several insiders. To me several implies at least three sources. I would like to know who these people are and read their confirmation(s).
Pro-B
DVD Josh
10-22-07, 02:03 PM
It does not matter whether or not you were responding to my comment.This is a public forum and everyone has the right to read/question what is posted.
What does matter is that once again you stated several insiders. To me several implies at least three sources. I would like to know who these people are and read their confirmation(s).
Pro-B
Why should he be subjected to any greater scrutiny that you are? I've never seen you back up any of your stuff with anything like this. Does that make you less reliable?
GizmoDVD
10-22-07, 02:08 PM
It does not matter whether or not you were responding to my comment.This is a public forum and everyone has the right to read/question what is posted.
What does matter is that once again you stated several insiders. To me several implies at least three sources. I would like to know who these people are and read their confirmation(s).
Pro-B
Again, I urge you or anyone to take a trip to AVS and read some threads. I, unlike some people, don't bookmark several pages a day so I can weeks later retort them quote for quote back. I read, and then post later and link to the most recent poster talking about it. As I posted before, its amazing how some people here can post "news" on apparent "insiders" as fact. You don't ever seem to back up you're facts unless they are from "insiders" who most of the time just review discs.
As I stated before, this thread is for Blu-ray, I'd hate to turn this into a HD vs. BR thread. I would urge some of the Pro-Blu guys to worry about their own format with 1.1 looming over their heads making all the current stand alones obsolete rather then some HD DVDTL51 disc that may or may not ever come out even though Disney, a Blu-ray only studio, voted for it. Backup plan?
pro-bassoonist
10-22-07, 02:08 PM
Why should he be subjected to any greater scrutiny that you are? I've never seen you back up any of your stuff with anything like this. Does that make you less reliable?
Feel free to provide the statement where I have noted an insider's contribution. I will promptly provide you with the needed confirmation.
And to address your question directly: no one is to be subjected to a greater degree of scrutiny!
Pro-B
GizmoDVD
10-22-07, 02:20 PM
Feel free to provide the statement where I have noted an insider's contribution. I will promptly provide you with the needed confirmation.
And to address your question directly: no one is to be subjected to a greater degree of scrutiny!
Pro-B
I'm still waiting for that promised firmware update disc that allows all stand alones to be updated to Profile 1.1 from that paidgeek post a few months ago :)
pro-bassoonist
10-22-07, 02:23 PM
Again, I urge you or anyone to take a trip to AVS and read some threads.
Not good enough. You should be able to back up your facts with a source. In this specific case I would like to know the origin of your claim since you present it as a fact.
I, unlike some people, don't bookmark several pages a day so I can weeks later retort them quote for quote back. I read, and then post later and link to the most recent poster talking about it.
Then you should reconsider your posting habits. I don't believe it is degrading or insulting to request a source of reference when crucial information is revealed. Once again, I ask that you provide relevant sources linking to the statements of the insiders you speak of.
As I posted before, its amazing how some people here can post "news" on apparent "insiders" as fact. You don't ever seem to back up you're facts unless they are from "insiders" who most of the time just review discs.
I am not some people. Feel free to question some people and argue about whatever you believe is a misleading information. The second fragment of your post is easily addressable!
As I stated before, this thread is for Blu-ray, I'd hate to turn this into a HD vs. BR thread.
You found TL worthy of recognition while addressing BR. I understand, and ask that you now follow up on your point(s).
I would urge some of the Pro-Blu guys to worry about their own format with 1.1 looming over their heads making all the current stand alones obsolete rather then some HD DVDTL51 disc that may or may not ever come out even though Disney, a Blu-ray only studio, voted for it. Backup plan?
You claim "neutrality" correct? Then you partially belong to the group you address above. Why do you distance yourself? There is information you have provided that now you must address with a proper statement. Please provide the links to the insiders' statements you announced earlier.
Thanks,
Pro-B
chanster
10-22-07, 02:26 PM
Well thats a nice confirmation! Can't refute a blank post
Adam Tyner
10-22-07, 02:34 PM
Pro-B: You start with a QUOTE and end with a /QUOTE (preceded by a slash). If you don't close your QUOTEs, you're going to get a blank post.
GizmoDVD
10-22-07, 02:37 PM
I'm shocked this has not been posted yet (maybe it is somewhere?)
Ok here is the deal, this will be for the upcoming $399 PS3 (hitting shelves 11/02/07), and the deal only applies if you buy at the Sony Style Stores or Sony Style Website. The new $399 PS3 will come with the Free Spiderman3 BD movie, in addition to the 5 Free by mail BD movies, plus you can rack up enough Sony Style Card points to get another BD movie or two.
To take advantage of this offer, you will need to apply for the Sony Style store card which will qualify you for the $100 instant Discount and 12 months No Interest on all purchases $299 and up.
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For $300 and no interest for 12 months it makes it a no brainer for the best Blu-ray player on the market. I'll be grabbing one of these when they come out at my local Sony Style store.
Qui Gon Jim
10-22-07, 02:41 PM
Same shit different day in this thread. this really is the "Format War disguised as a BD discussion" thread, or the "this side of the line HD bashing thread." There is rarely any real "news" here, just a bunch of (mostly) speculative tidbits posted in a way to irk others. Want real news about BD hardware and releases etc? Look in the seperate threads. This thread is nothing but a pimping vehicle for those that just have this "need" to convert everyone.
The HD DVD version is not much better.
Personally, I think this thread should be locked.
Josh Z
10-22-07, 02:46 PM
Until someone like Amir can confirm it, I refuse to believe any info that rdjam has to offer. Amir has been very careful with his wording when it comes to the TL51 which leads me to believe that there are issues and it won't see the light of day.
Amir has transitioned to another business area within Microsoft, FYI.
chanster
10-22-07, 02:55 PM
I'm shocked this has not been posted yet (maybe it is somewhere?)
Yeah it was posted.
The Bus
10-22-07, 03:53 PM
Why should he be subjected to any greater scrutiny that you are? I've never seen you back up any of your stuff with anything like this. Does that make you less reliable?
:up:
bunkaroo
10-22-07, 03:55 PM
Has anyone seen the 60GB PS3 for less than $500?
I have a lot of PS2 games and a 5 year old PS2 deck. Sure I could buy the 40GB and spend an extra $130 if my PS2 ever dies, but I'd love to have all my PS2 and PS3 stuff play through one input on my display.
I'd almost certainly pull the trigger on a $399 60GB for the BC.
GizmoDVD
10-22-07, 04:01 PM
Has anyone seen the 60GB PS3 for less than $500?
I have a lot of PS2 games and a 5 year old PS2 deck. Sure I could buy the 40GB and spend an extra $130 if my PS2 ever dies, but I'd love to have all my PS2 and PS3 stuff play through one input on my display.
I'd almost certainly pull the trigger on a $399 60GB for the BC.
Nope, $499 is the MSRP and it seems with the recent 80GB price drop, that the 60GB will stay $499 until it sells out. Sony is no longer making them and what you see on the shelves is whats left. I think that 'Sony Style' deal works on the 60GB one (if they still stock them) and thats going to be you're best shot. If not, GameStop is selling the 20GB PS3 (100% BC) for $380 brand new. No WiFi...but it will play PS2 games without issues.
Copper Blue
10-22-07, 04:02 PM
$299 PS3 w/ 7 Free BD Movies
Ok here is the deal, this will be for the upcoming $399 PS3 (hitting shelves 11/02/07), and the deal only applies if you buy at the Sony Style Stores or Sony Style Website. The new $399 PS3 will come with the Free Spiderman3 BD movie, in addition to the 5 Free by mail BD movies, plus you can rack up enough Sony Style Card points to get another BD movie or two.
.
This is indeed the path I am taking to get a PS3, but it is a bit misleading. 2000 Sony Style points will not get you any free Blu-Rays, since they start at 2900 points +
Copper Blue
10-22-07, 04:05 PM
Has anyone seen the 60GB PS3 for less than $500?
I have a lot of PS2 games and a 5 year old PS2 deck. Sure I could buy the 40GB and spend an extra $130 if my PS2 ever dies, but I'd love to have all my PS2 and PS3 stuff play through one input on my display.
I'd almost certainly pull the trigger on a $399 60GB for the BC.
This may or may not sweeten the deal for you, but Best Buy is offering a free Game (Lair or Heavenly Sword) or extra Controller with the 60 GB PS3. That's a $60 Bonus...
UPDATE: Walmart is offering a choice of 8 different games for the free game PLUS a free Blue-Ray remote with the 60 GB
GizmoDVD
10-22-07, 04:05 PM
This is indeed the path I am taking to get a PS3, but it is a bit misleading. 2000 Sony Style points will not get you any free Blu-Rays, since they start at 2900 points +
Where can you see a list of where you use your 'points'?
bunkaroo
10-22-07, 04:08 PM
Nope, $499 is the MSRP and it seems with the recent 80GB price drop, that the 60GB will stay $499 until it sells out. Sony is no longer making them and what you see on the shelves is whats left. I think that 'Sony Style' deal works on the 60GB one (if they still stock them) and thats going to be you're best shot. If not, GameStop is selling the 20GB PS3 (100% BC) for $380 brand new. No WiFi...but it will play PS2 games without issues.
Thanks - that's what I thought.
I need the WiFi since my HT is in the basement and my router is on the 2nd floor. And let me say that makes updating my HD-A20 over the wire REALLY interesting. I had to buy a 100' cable LOL. At least now the ISO's are available right away.
I don't even see the 60GB listed at SonyStyle.com. Not sure if I have any local stores near me.
brianluvdvd
10-22-07, 04:12 PM
Has anyone that has watched Meet the Robinsons comment on it? I've heard the PQ on it is quite excellent and am leaning towards buying it but just wanted to get some thoughts first.
I would rent it first if you haven't seen the movie. PQ may be great but I buy movies based on how much I like them, not how great they look or sound.
I took my 3 year old to see this movie in the theater and even he was bored (which is saying something for him). As an adult, it was truly awful. Bad story and just plain out dull. Yeah, it looks great but if you want to twiddle your thumbs and think about all the other great movies you could be watching while looking at a great picture, be my guest.
Rent it.
Copper Blue
10-22-07, 04:33 PM
Where can you see a list of where you use your 'points'?
http://www.sonyrewards.com/en/redeem/index/4/
Harry Lime
10-22-07, 04:59 PM
Again, I urge you or anyone to take a trip to AVS and read some threads. I, unlike some people, don't bookmark several pages a day so I can weeks later retort them quote for quote back. I read, and then post later and link to the most recent poster talking about it. As I posted before, its amazing how some people here can post "news" on apparent "insiders" as fact. You don't ever seem to back up you're facts unless they are from "insiders" who most of the time just review discs.
As I stated before, this thread is for Blu-ray, I'd hate to turn this into a HD vs. BR thread. I would urge some of the Pro-Blu guys to worry about their own format with 1.1 looming over their heads making all the current stand alones obsolete rather then some HD DVDTL51 disc that may or may not ever come out even though Disney, a Blu-ray only studio, voted for it. Backup plan?
So you wanna give us the names or keep ignoring the question? Oh and nice change of subject with the sonystyle re-post.
GizmoDVD
10-22-07, 05:59 PM
So you wanna give us the names or keep ignoring the question? Oh and nice change of subject with the sonystyle re-post.
Again, just like I stated above, feel free to wander over to AVS and research for yourself. If others don't have to back up their wild statements, I won't either.
Not sure why you even care, you don't own an HD DVD player (or at least your posts don't reflect any interest in one).
GizmoDVD
10-22-07, 06:03 PM
http://www.sonyrewards.com/en/redeem/index/4/
Ugh, how lame. A $400 purchase wouldn't even get you enough points to get the CHEAPEST Blu-ray movie possible.
Harry Lime
10-22-07, 07:00 PM
Again, just like I stated above, feel free to wander over to AVS and research for yourself because there is no way I can back up my wild statements.
fixed.
Not sure why you even care, you don't own an HD DVD player (or at least your posts don't reflect any interest in one).
The reason I care about HD-DVD so much is cause the sooner the inevitable happens the sooner this so called war will be over.
Suprmallet
10-22-07, 07:02 PM
selling a ps3 at a reduced price which isn't backwards compatible with ps2 games is pretty clever and works for them in many areas of their business. of course it's not quite such a win for consumers, but then which business has the best interests of it's consumers in mind when making decisions? those bitching about it in this thread seem to be the usual suspects who moan about bd at any given opertunity. and, no, it doesn't matter if they hide behind the pretense of dual format support.
Um, no. I'm bitching about it because I'm a gamer. I still bitch about the Xbox 360 having partial BC, and only emulation at that. But that's made easier because the 360 has an excellent library of games that I can play. Despite having worked at a video game store and reviewing video games for this site, I only own 4 PS3 games, and have had the system since January. When you're charging $60 a game, you have to offer better experiences than what we've got on the PS3 so far. Until now, the blow was softened because you could play all those excellent PS2 games on the system, but now, not even that. The strategy isn't just anti-consumer, it's anti-gamer. If I wanted the system for only Blu-ray, I wouldn't be complaining about it. See the difference?
i'm not sure why this thread seems to attract so much activity, when there are far more interesting things happening in the world of hd dvd with regard to triple layer and region coding...
So you complain about people you think are anti-BD in one sentence and then make snide comments about HD DVD in the next? And this leads to the thread being derailed yet again.
If anyone wants to discuss anything about HD DVD, there is an HD DVD discussion thread. I don't want to see any more HD DVD discussion in here unless it specifically pertains to Blu-ray in some form or fashion.
And that includes discussing the posting habits of Pro-B and GizmoDVD. Those discussions have nothing to do with Blu-ray, keep them out of the thread.
Burnt Thru
10-22-07, 07:15 PM
Um, no. I'm bitching about it because I'm a gamer. you're aware of the gaming section on this site i take it?
So you complain about people you think are anti-BD in one sentence and then make snide comments about HD DVD in the next? And this leads to the thread being derailed yet again.
it is only your own paranoid interpretation of my comment which has lead u to this conclusion. the comment itself is entirely neutral in itself and makes no judgement as to whether developments with the rival format are positive or negative. as a matter of fact i find aspects of both to be positive and negative. as to it's relevance to this thread this is precisely my point: it is strange to me that several of the hd dvd fans posting in this thread are less concerned with discussing their format than denegrating the rival format.
Suprmallet
10-22-07, 07:21 PM
The PS3 is the leading Blu-ray player. That's completely fair game for discussion in this thread. Not so with TL51 and Region Coding for HD DVD.
It doesn't matter if my interpretation is "paranoid" or not, these topics are not germane for a Blu-ray discussion thread, as they're not about Blu-ray.
Burnt Thru
10-22-07, 07:29 PM
the movie playback of the ps3 is the aspect of that device which is appropriate to this forum, just as the game playing aspect belongs in the gaming forum. it's fairly intuitive.
Suprmallet
10-22-07, 07:38 PM
The PS3 plays Blu-rays. It also plays games. Both of these aspects are a part of the system. The very nature of this means that, at times, some gaming discussion will bleed into this forum. It has happened before and is in fact happening right now in other threads. I don't see the gaming discussion overtaking the movie discussion to the point where you can't tell the difference between here and Video Game Talk. I also see people making posts about Blu-ray in threads discussing the PS3 in Video Game Talk. Just as I see people making posts about HD DVD in 360 threads over there, and people making posts about the 360 in HD DVD threads here.
Microsoft and Sony are tying HDM to gaming. Thus, it is fair game to discuss these systems in the appropriate threads.
dsa_shea
10-22-07, 09:48 PM
Not my kind of movie, but the previews made the HD aspect look amazing. I do, however, think the ads saying "Blu-ray Exclusive" when it is in fact going to be on both SD and Blu-ray a bit misleading.
Your spin on everything makes me laugh.
pro-bassoonist
10-22-07, 11:28 PM
Pro-B: You start with a QUOTE and end with a /QUOTE (preceded by a slash). If you don't close your QUOTEs, you're going to get a blank post.
Thanks Adam, I had to leave very early and did not have any time to double check.
to DVDJosh: I left an open invitation to you, or anyone else for that matter, to quote an insider information I have supplied on this forum where the source is unclear. Feel free to take advantage of it.
Pro-B
pro-bassoonist
10-23-07, 12:05 AM
DVDBEAVER have posted an early review for A Clockwork Orange and I am just going to link the review and let you formulate your own concussions. I am only providing bold black for what they have chosen to put in Ferrari-red:
We understand image quality (duplicate VC-1 encode) and content are exactly the same on both HD and Blu-ray editions. If that pattern deviates in this release we will adjust our review accordingly (as soon as we know). NOTE: The Blu-ray is on only one disc where the HD is spread over 2 - this is a huge separation point - drawing some concrete lines in the format war.
Originally Posted by Burnt Thru
selling a ps3 at a reduced price which isn't backwards compatible with ps2 games is pretty clever and works for them in many areas of their business. of course it's not quite such a win for consumers, but then which business has the best interests of it's consumers in mind when making decisions?
Are you kidding?
mzupeman2
10-23-07, 12:38 AM
Wow, just because the extras are on a second disc...
Since when have two disc sets been an inconveniance for people? And how does that draw concrete lines in the format war? Somebody writing that review is clearly on the blu side. I wish reviewers could remain a little less biased.
Suprmallet
10-23-07, 01:39 AM
I don't know, it does mark a slight advantage for the Blu-ray disc. I'm getting the Blu-ray version myself.
ResIpsa
10-23-07, 05:38 AM
DVDBEAVER have posted an early review for A Clockwork Orange and I am just going to link the review and let you formulate your own concussions.
Like this? :brickwl:
;)
kefrank
10-23-07, 09:29 AM
DVDBEAVER have posted an early review for A Clockwork Orange and I am just going to link the review and let you formulate your own concussions. I am only providing bold black for what they have chosen to put in Ferrari-red:
not only did the reviewer put it in red, but he put the same statement in red four times in the same review. we get the picture buddy, you prefer for everything to be on one disc. here are my conclusions: this is one reviewer's opinion on a minor issue and barely constitutes "blu-ray news."
brianluvdvd
10-23-07, 09:39 AM
I, personally, think it is an advantage to have everything on one disc as opposed to spread out over two. Would it make me decide to buy a BR player to take advantage of this...no...nor do I think it would affect anyone else without a BR player. Is this nice...yes. Is it a big deal...no.
Remember...both BR and HD-dvd wants Joe Sixpack on board. Joe Sixpack is going to look at the HD version and say..."Woah, a two disc set over a single disc. The 2 disc set has to be better!" ;)
But then again...Joe Sixpack doesn't even have BR or HD-dvd yet...and probably won't for some time.
vcuram
10-23-07, 09:43 AM
here are my conclusions: this is one reviewer's opinion on a minor issue and barely constitutes "blu-ray news."
Actually, I found this information to be useful (unlike most junk in this thread). I didn't know the BD was on one disc before reading this. I was going to get the HD-DVD version, but now I'll get the BD.
chubacabra
10-23-07, 10:46 AM
"We understand image quality (duplicate VC-1 encode) and content are exactly the same on both HD and Blu-ray editions."
That matters more to me than whether or not it's on two discs or one. Most people don't seem to have any problems with double disc sets on standard dvds.
Hammer99
10-23-07, 10:51 AM
IMO PCM on the PS3 > TrueHD on the A1 matters the most to me. 2 discs vs. 1 disc isn't a big deal... even though this is one of a handful of discs where I'll probably watch the extras.
GizmoDVD
10-23-07, 11:23 AM
DVDBEAVER have posted an early review for A Clockwork Orange and I am just going to link the review and let you formulate your own concussions. I am only providing bold black for what they have chosen to put in Ferrari-red:
We understand image quality (duplicate VC-1 encode) and content are exactly the same on both HD and Blu-ray editions. If that pattern deviates in this release we will adjust our review accordingly (as soon as we know). NOTE: The Blu-ray is on only one disc where the HD is spread over 2 - this is a huge separation point - drawing some concrete lines in the format war.
Thats it? Because the extras are on another disc its a huge deal? Don't you know, 2 discs = "Perceived Value" :)
Really, is this big news?
DVD Josh
10-23-07, 11:26 AM
to DVDJosh: I left an open invitation to you, or anyone else for that matter, to quote an insider information I have supplied on this forum where the source is unclear. Feel free to take advantage of it.
Pro-B
I'm not going to go back diving through threads, but believe me, I will be doing so in the future.
I say this as respectfully as I can, but I fail to see the benefit to this forum of having a reviewer so strongly biased against HD-DVD and in favor of Blu-Ray. It is my understanding that this forum takes a neutral stand in the HD war, and to see a reviewer constantly speak negatively about HD and ignore clear and rational criticism about BD is directly opposed to this stance. Not to mention the direct link to BD in your sig.
Furthermore, and this may be because I do not know your proper name, I cannot determine what movies you have actually reviewed on this site.
I do not harbor any ill-will towards you, but I have some serious concerns about the nature of your posts given your association with DVD Talk as a reviewer and your well-stated favoritism towards BD.
Finally, I hope you see this post as not a personal attack (not even remotely intended as one), but an invitation to engage in a discussion about the nature of your pro-BD and anti-HD posting given your position here at DVD Talk. I know that both of us without any doubt want what's best for the members of this forum.
I look forward to your response.
Hammer99
10-23-07, 11:27 AM
Thats it? Because the extras are on another disc its a huge deal? Don't you know, 2 discs = "Perceived Value" :)
Really, is this big news?The thread title doesn't say Big Blu-ray news, it says General Blu-Ray news. I don't agree that it is a "huge separation point". but it certainly is newsworthy, especially to those with genuinely support both formats and prefer 1 disc over 2. ;)
Warner has confirmed that its first IME-enhanced Blu-ray title will not use Profile 1.1 technology to deliver its picture-in-picture video commentary.
As we first reported last week, Warner's December 4th release of 'Terminator 3' will be the studio's first Blu-ray title to include an "In Movie Experience" picture-in-picture video commentary. Although Warner has included IME tracks on roughly two dozen HD DVD titles, none of the studio's Blu-ray titles have included the feature, a move that has been attributed to the format's current lack of secondary video support.
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Although Warner didn't specify how it would be delivering the 'T3' IME track when it announced the disc last week, given the timing of its release, it was widely speculated that the track would utilize the secondary video support mandated by the Blu-ray Disc Association in its October 31st deadline for Profile 1.1 support.
Speaking exclusively with High-Def Digest, however, a Warner spokesman tells us that 'T3' will not, in fact, utilize Profile 1.1. Instead, Warner will be following the lead of past Blu-ray releases with PIP-like features (such as Lionsgate's 'The Descent' and Disney's 'The Guardian'), and will simply burn a PiP window onto a second high-def encode of the film itself, effectively matching the PiP experience without requiring two concurrently-streaming video sources.
The complete explanation provided to us by Warner reads as follows:
"A second PiP image (for 'Terminator 3') was created by compositing the SD [standard definition] IME [In-Movie Experience] video box into the HD video to create a separate video file, which is branched to at the various IME transition points. Ultimately, this way of programming will be replaced with the true Profile 1.1 functionality, but until then, this will appear transparent to the consumer, and will have the same benefit."
So Blu-ray only owners finally get to see some of the WB movies that HD DVD has had for over a year. Problem is, its the "fake" PiP thing seem in the above movies. Now only does extra time and money has to go into this to make it feel like the HD DVD version, WB is forced to buy and use 50GB discs has they have to include two copies of the movie on 1 disc. I wonder if this is going to have issues on stand alone players as Spider-Man 3 Blu-ray has to those that already have it. Apparently the seamless branching is not doing to well on stand alones.
GizmoDVD
10-23-07, 11:34 AM
The thread title doesn't say Big Blu-ray news, it says General Blu-Ray news. I don't agree that it is a "huge separation point". but it certainly is newsworthy, especially to those with genuinely support both formats and prefer 1 disc over 2. ;)
I guess. I just don't see a huge deal over 1 Disc BR vs. 2 Disc HD. Odd considering this is the only Kubrick film to do this, all others are 1 disc. This 2 disc Clockwork is also very old news, going back to when these titles were announced.
On a side note, does anyone think we will see ANY of these Warner titles today? Apparently WB is still shipping late (TZ, House on Haunted Hill issues from last week) so if you are looking for it in store, you might be out of luck for the next few days.
kefrank
10-23-07, 12:05 PM
Actually, I found this information to be useful (unlike most junk in this thread). I didn't know the BD was on one disc before reading this. I was going to get the HD-DVD version, but now I'll get the BD.
that's a good point. the fact that the BD is only one disc is definitely useful information.
my conclusion was mostly directed at the emphasis of the poster (in titling his post) and the reviewer that this is a "huge separation point drawing some concrete lines in the format war."
Suprmallet
10-23-07, 12:11 PM
I'm not going to go back diving through threads, but believe me, I will be doing so in the future.
I say this as respectfully as I can, but I fail to see the benefit to this forum of having a reviewer so strongly biased against HD-DVD and in favor of Blu-Ray. It is my understanding that this forum takes a neutral stand in the HD war, and to see a reviewer constantly speak negatively about HD and ignore clear and rational criticism about BD is directly opposed to this stance. Not to mention the direct link to BD in your sig.
Furthermore, and this may be because I do not know your proper name, I cannot determine what movies you have actually reviewed on this site.
I do not harbor any ill-will towards you, but I have some serious concerns about the nature of your posts given your association with DVD Talk as a reviewer and your well-stated favoritism towards BD.
Finally, I hope you see this post as not a personal attack (not even remotely intended as one), but an invitation to engage in a discussion about the nature of your pro-BD and anti-HD posting given your position here at DVD Talk. I know that both of us without any doubt want what's best for the members of this forum.
I look forward to your response.
Pro-B does not review HDM for DVD Talk. He does review SD DVDs under the name Svet Atanasov (since you were asking about easy look up).
DthRdrX
10-23-07, 12:39 PM
Thats it? Because the extras are on another disc its a huge deal? Don't you know, 2 discs = "Perceived Value" :)
Really, is this big news?
I'm getting the Hd-dvd version because I think the red case looks a lot better with the artwork. To each his own I guess. :shrug:
mzupeman2
10-23-07, 01:22 PM
Well people can still choose a side based on the facts they know and still not really be a biased party. As long as their thought process on the issue is well informed and they're making a decision based on that, I see no problem with it as long as they're not being sladerous to the other format in their review... unless of course the other format has negative things that need to be said, such as poorer picture quality than the other in a review.
pricdews
10-23-07, 03:20 PM
Pro-B does not review HDM for DVD Talk. He does review SD DVDs under the name Svet Atanasov (since you were asking about easy look up).
Interesting. Seems someones bid to attack everything pro-blu went a little too far?
This forum may try to take a neutral stand, but the discussion here has seemed rather tilted for some time IMO (mostly not intentional).
Josh Z
10-23-07, 03:21 PM
On a side note, does anyone think we will see ANY of these Warner titles today? Apparently WB is still shipping late (TZ, House on Haunted Hill issues from last week) so if you are looking for it in store, you might be out of luck for the next few days.
My local Borders has precisely one copy of 2001 on HD DVD. They have none of the other Kubrick titles, and none of the new Blu-rays.
I considered buying the 2001 disc, but with it priced at $28.99 there, I think I'll just wait for Amazon.
chanster
10-23-07, 03:23 PM
Interesting. Seems someones bid to attack everything pro-blu went a little too far?
Good job on keeping the great discussion going.....
and BTW, its a valid question on which DVDs, HD-DVDs and Blu Ray have been reviewed by a member. Because DVD Talk allows the member to put a "DVD Talk Reviewer" on their name but does not require the posting of that person's real name...the issue can lead to questions of objectivity.
pricdews
10-23-07, 04:00 PM
and BTW, its a valid question
where exactly was the question?
Adam Tyner
10-23-07, 04:11 PM
Interesting. Seems someones bid to attack everything pro-blu went a little too far?Svet's not banned from reviewing high-def discs -- he just doesn't. I think he'd be more interested in reviewing foreign films in standard definition than miring through Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer in high-def anyway.
BornAgainStar
10-23-07, 04:50 PM
Ok, I have to know...
Why is that people get so upset about a poster who constantly touts Blu-Ray in the BLU-RAY THREAD? If someone wants to go on and on about how good HD-DVD is in the HD-DVD THREAD, then no one should care. As no one should care in this instance, regardless of his affiliation with the site. SERIOUSLY, what's wrong with having a thread that people who are lovers of a hobby can come and post about how much they like it and not try and be shot down be people who just disagree with him. Want to make a point contradicting him and supporting HD-DVD, then go do it in that thread. Don't come in here looking for trouble just because you hate BLU-RAY. At least he's taking the time to post information here for people to read, unlike others who just come and nitpick.
Seriously, he supports the board and helps out. Lay off.
/end rant
Pro-B... Thanks for the time and effort you make with your posts here. I don't agree with everything posted, but I certainly support your right to post it.
bunkaroo
10-23-07, 05:11 PM
For a forum aspiring to be neutral, it's very telling that a Blu-Ray supporter like Pro-B posting in a Blu-Ray thread is under a near-constant barrage of criticism from HD DVD leaning members in a Blu-Ray thread.
The fact is the HDM forum here has been an HD DVD bastion for as long as I can remember, and speaking out in favor of Blu-Ray around here still seems to bring almost immediate reprisal, although it's not as bad as it was a year ago.
As an *honest* supporter of both formats, it gets pretty annoying to come to a Blu-Ray news thread and have to wade through all this nonsense.
When Pro-B or someone else comes into the HD DVD news thread and starts touting Blu-Ray, let 'em have it. But please, keep it out of here unless a post can 100% be refuted with verifiable facts, not opinion, hearsay, etc.
Qui Gon Jim
10-23-07, 06:03 PM
I think part of the problem is that the news item could be:
"BD "Jacket" One Disc, HD DVD Two"
and he'll "report" it by saying:
"A HUGE, HUMONGOUS, check in the favor of BD, The BD "Jacket" is one disc, while the incapable HD DVD and its inferior disc structure is two. Another debilatating blow to the HD DVD format!!!"
There's a difference. This is passive aggressive format bashing. He knows it too. The legitimate news is buried with his spin.
There is plenty of the same rhetoric from HD DVD supporters.
Suprmallet
10-23-07, 06:27 PM
I agree that there's too much bickering going on in more threads than just this one. Not every topic needs to turn into a discussion about which is a bigger potential debacle: TL51 or Profile 1.1. Honestly, it seems like no matter what we're discussing, whether it be Kubrick or the new model of PS3 or anything else, someone throws in a side comment about something completely unrelated, and someone else latches on and BOOM! Thread derailed. I'd love it if people didn't feel the need to do that.
LOS ANGELES, Oct 23 (Reuters) - Blu-ray DVD titles outsold rival HD-DVD titles by almost 2-to-1 in the first nine months of the year, but analysts expect additional HD-DVD support and new hit releases to "transform" the high-definition DVD battle score in the fourth quarter.
Home Media Research, a division of Home Media Magazine, said on Tuesday total U.S. sales of Blu-ray discs, using a Sony Corp (6758.T: Quote, Profile, Research)-backed technology, totaled 2.6 million units from Jan. 1 through Sept 30, versus 1.4 million HD-DVD discs sold.
HD-DVD was developed by Toshiba Corp (6502.T: Quote, Profile, Research). It is backed by Microsoft Corp (MSFT.O: Quote, Profile, Research) as well as film studios like Time Warner Inc's TWX.N Warner Bros.
The division in Hollywood grew deeper in August when Paramount Pictures (VIAb.N: Quote, Profile, Research) and DreamWorks Animation SKG Inc (DWA.N: Quote, Profile, Research) signed exclusivity deals to distribute their next-generation discs on HD-DVD format for the next 18 months.
Gerry Kaufhold, analyst with In-Stat research firm, believes newly released HD-DVD titles with new advanced Web-enabled features, such as Paramount's "Transformers", will help the HD-DVD camp in the fourth quarter.
Paramount Home Video said that "Transformers" had the biggest debut of any high-definition titles, selling over 100,000 HD-DVDs on Oct 16, its first day of release.
Tom Adams, president of Adams Media Research, also said the 18-month period of exclusivity for HD-DVDs by Paramount and DreamWorks should strengthen HD-DVD's hand this quarter.
"This definitely smooths out the edge that Blu-ray had in exclusive titles and it very much strengthens HD-DVD's hand in the fourth quarter," he said, but still expects Blu-ray will lead for the year overall.
Adams predicts that for 2007 overall, consumers will spend $186 million purchasing Blu-ray discs, versus $91 million for HD-DVD.
Walt Disney Co (DIS.N: Quote, Profile, Research), Sony, News Corp's (NWSa.N: Quote, Profile, Research) 20th Century Fox, and Lions Gate Entertainment (LGF.N: Quote, Profile, Research) are exclusively in the Blu-ray camp.
Hollywood and electronics manufacturers had hoped new high-definition DVDs, with better picture quality and more capacity would revive the slowing $24 billion home DVD market.
But like the Betamax-VHS battle in the 1980s, the DVD standards war has slowed adoption and created customer confusion. It has also raised the likelihood it will be years before next-generation players become standard equipment.
Since both formats launched in the spring of 2006, an estimated 4.98 million high-definition discs have been sold, including 3.01 million in Blu-ray and 1.97 million in HD-DVD through the end of September, according to Home Media.
One big factor giving Blu-ray an edge has been the popularity of Sony's PlayStation 3 game consoles, which also include a Blu-ray disc drive.
"It's going to be 2008 before the dust will really starts to settle. For now, its like watching a yacht race," said Kaufhold, who expects the standards battle will lead more consumers to dual DVD players such as those made by South Korea's LG Electronics Inc (066570.KS: Quote, Profile, Research), which supports both Blu-ray and HD-DVD.
Samsung Electronics Co Ltd (005930.KS: Quote, Profile, Research) is expected to market a dual format player later this year, ahead of the holiday shopping season.
(snipped the article contents)
while the paramount decision certainly helps HD DVD in the fourth quarter with some exclusive titles, i don't see the sales ratio changing too much in their favor. if you look at the fourth quarter exclusives announced for both formats, blu-ray has a larger total list and a more substantial list in terms of likely title popularity.
Harry Lime
10-23-07, 09:12 PM
Michael Bay Feeling Blu Again
Posted October 23, 2007 by Josh
Director Michael Bay is feeling Blu once again with recent comments regarding Paramount's decision to release his blockbuster hit 'Transformers' only on rival format HD DVD. "It's short-sighted and it has delayed consumers' moving to HD," he commented. "As a director, my critical eye is that Blu-ray is where my money is. Consumers are smart, and they are going to wait it out."
Bay's on-again, off-again, on-again relationship with Blu-ray began when he posted critical comments on his website regarding Paramount's decision to go HD DVD exclusive. A few days later, he retracted those words by reiterating the same talking points used by all HD DVD supporters. But now, as Paramount is announcing huge sales of the Transformer DVD and HD DVD, Michael Bay is at it again, criticizing the decision and the format his movie was released on.
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=611
bunkaroo
10-23-07, 09:35 PM
I don't know if you can definitively state Bay is criticizing Paramount's decision just based on his quotes. Sure, it's implied, but it's an important distinction IMO.
Though one has to admit, with the numbers Transformers has put up this week, even if it costs more to produce the Blu-Ray version, Paramount still left a decent amount of money on the table.
Suprmallet
10-23-07, 09:36 PM
And yet, he'll be doing Transformers 2.
dsa_shea
10-23-07, 10:21 PM
And yet, he'll be doing Transformers 2.
And hopefully it will be readily available on both formats to keep all the consumers happy.
The Bus
10-23-07, 10:40 PM
Funny he didn't care that Pearl Harbor or Bad Boys wasn't on HD DVD.
Zen Peckinpah
10-23-07, 11:27 PM
And so we start out with this huge sale of Transformers HD DVDs, and then this meteor goes BROSSSSSSH and it hits the HD DVDs and CROSSSSSSSH! There's more Blu-rays being sold for Transformers at a lower price! And suddenly Bill Gates bursts into flames on a motorcycle while trying to attack the CEO of Sony's helicopter over the meteor CROSSSSSSSHHHHHH!
And then an 18 wheeler carrying a shipment of HD DVD's spins out of control and it's all like CROSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHH!, and then it bursts into flames when it flies into a giant oil tanker and Blu-ray wins the war all like AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUWWWWWWGGGGGGGGGGUUUUUUHHHHH!
Obviously, I'm only thinking in special effects. :D
GizmoDVD
10-23-07, 11:34 PM
And so we start out with this huge sale of Transformers HD DVDs, and then this meteor goes BROSSSSSSH and it hits the HD DVDs and CROSSSSSSSH! There's more Blu-rays being sold for Transformers at a lower price! And suddenly Bill Gates bursts into flames on a motorcycle while trying to attack the CEO of Sony's helicopter over the meteor CROSSSSSSSHHHHHH!
And then an 18 wheeler carrying a shipment of HD DVD's spins out of control and it's all like CROSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHH!, and then it bursts into flames when it flies into a giant oil tanker and Blu-ray wins the war all like AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUWWWWWWGGGGGGGGGGUUUUUUHHHHH!
Obviously, I'm only thinking in special effects. :D
Ahhh....South Park. Hilarious!
Michael Bay is a whiny little boy.
pro-bassoonist
10-24-07, 01:00 AM
I'm not going to go back diving through threads, but believe me, I will be doing so in the future.
I look forward to your response.
I have decided to take this opportunity and kindly state my opinion on a number of issues that have been brought up lately. Hopefully this is the last time I do so publicly:
1. Reviewer’s bias- It has been repeatedly stated on this sub-forum that my bias has eroded TALK’s reputation. As I have not written a single HD review I must conclude that you are not only unfamiliar with my writings but the denotation of the term bias as well.
2. Anonymity- I find it very strange that you chose to address my “writings” as biased yet you are apparently unaware of my identity. Furthermore, to imply that there is a secret conspiracy where DVDTALK reviewers post their reviews veiled in secrecy is an absurd argument to say the least. Especially when the site’s Hi-Def Editor is posting in this very forum, in this very thread. I would assume that contacting him or taking a quick look at the review panel would have addressed plenty of your concerns.
3. Posting/reading non-English articles- This truly is the most absurd of issues that I have seen thrown my way. It is not only sad that we are debating it, it is wrong. Allow me to remind you and anyone else for that matter that one of the reasons why TALK has grown into such a powerful community is because the site has always been inclusive of members with different cultural and social backgrounds, not an exclusive entity where only English-speakers are allowed to participate and exchange opinions. I feel very sorry for anyone who is openly willing to act from a position of superiority and dismiss anything that may be written or spoken in a language other than English.
4. SONY affiliation – In normal circumstances I would not even bother addressing this one but given the constant insinuations that have been directed at me I am going to officially state that I am in no way affiliated with the company nor have I ever worked for them. More than ten years ago I was associated with a European distributor whose partial responsibility was to promote SONY products but I have never been officially employed by the distrib. I hope this clears all second thoughts a particular user on this forum has.
5. Sharing insider information- Every single bit of info I have posted on TALK which has been provided by an insider has been accordingly credited as such. Yet, since you are having second thoughts on the issue I left an open invitation asking for your cooperation in addressing your uncertainty. As such has been denied citing unwillingness to go back and dive through threads I must dismiss your criticism at once.
I hope this addresses once and for all any current or future issues you or others might have with my posting habits on this site.
Sincerely Yours,
Pro-B
QuePaso
10-24-07, 01:45 AM
pro-b wants to post pro-blu-ray posts in the BLU RAY thread, and is getting attacked for it. I dont see anyone attacking GizmoDVD, Chanster and the rest of the crew in the HD DVD thread. Why is it ALWAYS the Blu-Ray supporters being attacked non-stop at DVDTalk?
Harry Lime
10-24-07, 03:39 AM
I love the whole "posting non-English news is wrong" because the reason they say that is because its hard enough for them to swallow bad news week after week from English sources. Its an extra bit of pain to be getting bad news from non-English speaking countries.
Josh Z should keep out of the Blu-ray thread cause he is one of the main reasons why it keeps going to hell. Always riding Pro-B's tail just waiting for him to post so he can pop up and start waving the HD-DVD flag. I have yet to see Pro-B do the same to him. Then again its just a matter of class.
jackson walker
10-24-07, 07:44 AM
pro-b wants to post pro-blu-ray posts in the BLU RAY thread, and is getting attacked for it. I dont see anyone attacking GizmoDVD, Chanster and the rest of the crew in the HD DVD thread. Why is it ALWAYS the Blu-Ray supporters being attacked non-stop at DVDTalk?
Because of the obvious bias on this forum, and the total intolerance of any opinion that is not shared by a few posters. I must admit it still amazes me that there are people in this world who think that everyone must think like they do.
Qui Gon Jim
10-24-07, 07:44 AM
pro-b wants to post pro-blu-ray posts in the BLU RAY thread, and is getting attacked for it. I dont see anyone attacking GizmoDVD, Chanster and the rest of the crew in the HD DVD thread. Why is it ALWAYS the Blu-Ray supporters being attacked non-stop at DVDTalk?
Then quite frankly, you're seeing only what you want to see. This same bullshit happens in that thread and all over the forum. It is of no surprise to anyone that you will come rushing to the side of anyone that likes BD. <s>You would support a serial killer if they had a passing fancy for BD.</s> MOD EDIT: enough already. -namja
I would like to see this thread, and the other thread be transformed into informational vehicles, with a hard hammer coming down on the rhetoric.
Qui Gon Jim
10-24-07, 07:50 AM
I am also quite fucking sick of hearing about DVDTalk's HD DVD bias. If anything, this is a place where dual support is the norm. The only people I see bitching about this percieved bias are the Harry Limes, TonyMontanas, and QuePasos of the forum. Most people want balanced discussion of topics, but these characters drag everything off topic with their BD rhetoric, especially when it is any news item that does not sound great for BD.
Also, I don't recall anyone ever complaining about the non-English post. Maybe I missed the comment or maybe the Mods deleted it before I read it. I certainly don't think it was made into a big deal.
chanster
10-24-07, 07:51 AM
pro-b wants to post pro-blu-ray posts in the BLU RAY thread, and is getting attacked for it. I dont see anyone attacking GizmoDVD, Chanster and the rest of the crew in the HD DVD thread. Why is it ALWAYS the Blu-Ray supporters being attacked non-stop at DVDTalk?
Good job on the Blu-Ray Discussion! Keep it going, its real informative and focused on Blu Ray.
I am not going to respond to the personal attack of me in this thread. I simply ask:
When did the Blu Ray thread become only a positive spin zone for Blu Ray - this is Blu Ray discussion, discussion implies both good and bad discussion, not just Blu Ray is the best.
Burnt Thru
10-24-07, 08:09 AM
i for one would be interested to see you attempt to engage in a useful discussion of this topic. do you think that's likely to happen?
there are about 3 or 4 problem posters in this thread, some of whom have been suspended before for their antagonistic activity. perhaps it is time for them to be removed again. comments about supporting serial killers, while amusing in their insane level of format zealotry, are probably not conducive to a civilized discussion. it is an embarressment to this forum that pro-b has been singled out for such sustained attack by these hd dvd zealots, without sufficient steps being taken to rectify the situation.
Burnt Thru
10-24-07, 08:12 AM
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=611
despite his earlier retraction it does seem that he would prefer his movies to appear on blu-ray. he hasn't made any similar comments about bd exclusives has he? if not he would appear to be the first major hollywood director to declare his preference (allbeit obtusely) for one of the formats.
Qui Gon Jim
10-24-07, 08:16 AM
Anyone else see the "Best of Blu-Ray" box sets that BJ's is carrying? These seemed like a pretty good deal for the money.
Mr. Cinema
10-24-07, 08:49 AM
Anyone else see the "Best of Blu-Ray" box sets that BJ's is carrying? These seemed like a pretty good deal for the money.
How good is their BD selection? I recently moved and received a coupon for a free 60-day membership.
Qui Gon Jim
10-24-07, 10:40 AM
They had a pretty good selection of titles. All BD. Their prices weren't terrible either, IIRC.
Media price is an area where BD is looking better and better to me. It seems like they are always on sale somewhere.
tonymontana313
10-24-07, 10:43 AM
I am also quite fucking sick of hearing about DVDTalk's HD DVD bias. If anything, this is a place where dual support is the norm. The only people I see bitching about this percieved bias are the Harry Limes, TonyMontanas, and QuePasos of the forum. Most people want balanced discussion of topics, but these characters drag everything off topic with their BD rhetoric, especially when it is any news item that does not sound great for BD.
Also, I don't recall anyone ever complaining about the non-English post. Maybe I missed the comment or maybe the Mods deleted it before I read it. I certainly don't think it was made into a big deal.
It's funny that you would call other people out when if you take a look at the history of your posts, you are one of the ones that bash all of the BR articles posted. Another question, why are you in a Blu-ray thread when you don't even own a blu-ray player?
DVD Josh
10-24-07, 11:05 AM
I have decided to take this opportunity and kindly state my opinion on a number of issues that have been brought up lately. Hopefully this is the last time I do so publicly:
1. Reviewer’s bias- It has been repeatedly stated on this sub-forum that my bias has eroded TALK’s reputation. As I have not written a single HD review I must conclude that you are not only unfamiliar with my writings but the denotation of the term bias as well.
2. Anonymity- I find it very strange that you chose to address my “writings” as biased yet you are apparently unaware of my identity. Furthermore, to imply that there is a secret conspiracy where DVDTALK reviewers post their reviews veiled in secrecy is an absurd argument to say the least. Especially when the site’s Hi-Def Editor is posting in this very forum, in this very thread. I would assume that contacting him or taking a quick look at the review panel would have addressed plenty of your concerns.
3. Posting/reading non-English articles- This truly is the most absurd of issues that I have seen thrown my way. It is not only sad that we are debating it, it is wrong. Allow me to remind you and anyone else for that matter that one of the reasons why TALK has grown into such a powerful community is because the site has always been inclusive of members with different cultural and social backgrounds, not an exclusive entity where only English-speakers are allowed to participate and exchange opinions. I feel very sorry for anyone who is openly willing to act from a position of superiority and dismiss anything that may be written or spoken in a language other than English.
4. SONY affiliation – In normal circumstances I would not even bother addressing this one but given the constant insinuations that have been directed at me I am going to officially state that I am in no way affiliated with the company nor have I ever worked for them. More than ten years ago I was associated with a European distributor whose partial responsibility was to promote SONY products but I have never been officially employed by the distrib. I hope this clears all second thoughts a particular user on this forum has.
5. Sharing insider information- Every single bit of info I have posted on TALK which has been provided by an insider has been accordingly credited as such. Yet, since you are having second thoughts on the issue I left an open invitation asking for your cooperation in addressing your uncertainty. As such has been denied citing unwillingness to go back and dive through threads I must dismiss your criticism at once.
I hope this addresses once and for all any current or future issues you or others might have with my posting habits on this site.
Sincerely Yours,
Pro-B
This response was even more smarmy and deflective as I imagined it would be. It's good to see you are completely incapable of having a courteous exchange with a fellow member without resorting to the same posting style as you do with your BD news and HD-DVD responses.
I think your response gives all of your detractors confirmation of long-suspected tactics and motivations to your postings here. And really, that's a shame, because I for one was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.
kefrank
10-24-07, 11:06 AM
It's funny that you would call other people out when if you take a look at the history of your posts, you are one of the ones that bash all of the BR articles posted. Another question, why are you in a Blu-ray thread when you don't even own a blu-ray player?
i haven't looked back through qui gon jim's posts, but i would just point out that there is a big difference between attacking people who post things and discussing the content of posts. the former should never happen, but if we can't do the latter, then this thread should be renamed.
Hammer99
10-24-07, 11:10 AM
This response was even more smarmy and deflective as I imagined it would be. It's good to see you are completely incapable of having a courteous exchange with a fellow member without resorting to the same posting style as you do with your BD news and HD-DVD responses.
I think your response gives all of your detractors confirmation of long-suspected tactics and motivations to your postings here. And really, that's a shame, because I for one was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. :rolleyes:
kefrank
10-24-07, 11:16 AM
this thread would get a lot better if those who find pro-bassoonist so obnoxious would just use the Ignore feature, rather than repeatedly attacking his character.
bunkaroo
10-24-07, 11:20 AM
They had a pretty good selection of titles. All BD. Their prices weren't terrible either, IIRC.
Media price is an area where BD is looking better and better to me. It seems like they are always on sale somewhere.
You're talking about the WB sets right?
Definitely a good deal for those who won't have them yet.
I think there's one coming next month with Troy: DC, Alexander FC, Wyatt Earp and one other I can't think of at the moment. Definitely a good deal @ ~$60.
Goldblum
10-24-07, 11:20 AM
I appreciate your info, pro-b. :up:
Don't let the naysayers get you down.
bunkaroo
10-24-07, 11:22 AM
This response was even more smarmy and deflective as I imagined it would be. It's good to see you are completely incapable of having a courteous exchange with a fellow member without resorting to the same posting style as you do with your BD news and HD-DVD responses.
I think your response gives all of your detractors confirmation of long-suspected tactics and motivations to your postings here. And really, that's a shame, because I for one was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.
I didn't read it that way at all. Seemed more like a frustrated, detailed reply from someone tired of dealing with the subject. Just my 2 cents.
tonymontana313
10-24-07, 11:23 AM
this thread would get a lot better if those who find pro-bassoonist so obnoxious would just use the Ignore feature, rather than repeatedly attacking his character.
Shhh...they would rather do things the hard way rather than the easy way. My problem is with people that don't own BR and come in to this thread to bash. There is nothing wrong with a healthy discussion but this thread within the last couple of months has gone to hell with certain people just waiting for the next article or poster to bash.
chanster
10-24-07, 11:24 AM
Another question, why are you in a Blu-ray thread when you don't even own a blu-ray player?
Oh thats a qualification for posting in this thread?? Thats funny I don't see that anywhere. You can't be interested in the format if you don't own a player?
Hammer99
10-24-07, 11:24 AM
this thread would get a lot better if those who find pro-bassoonist so obnoxious would just use the Ignore feature, rather than repeatedly attacking his character.Amen... or go to AVS with the other HD DVD fanboys.
I appreciate your info, pro-b. :up:
Don't let the naysayers get you down.+1 :up:
Michael Corvin
10-24-07, 11:25 AM
Where's the Blu-ray news? :(
GizmoDVD
10-24-07, 11:25 AM
pro-b wants to post pro-blu-ray posts in the BLU RAY thread, and is getting attacked for it. I dont see anyone attacking GizmoDVD, Chanster and the rest of the crew in the HD DVD thread. Why is it ALWAYS the Blu-Ray supporters being attacked non-stop at DVDTalk?
You don't wander into the HD DVD thread, do you? Nothing can be posted without a snide comment buy someone who is Pro-Blu which derails the entire discussion, much like here.
Goldblum
10-24-07, 11:26 AM
Oh thats a qualification for posting in this thread?? Thats funny I don't see that anywhere. You can't be interested in the format if you don't own a player?
I don't think he said it was a qualification. He was just asking a legitimate question seeking a legitimate answer.
chanster
10-24-07, 11:29 AM
I don't think he said it was a qualification. He was just asking a legitimate question seeking a legitimate answer.
Really? I don't read it that way. Legitimate question? The question implies that Blu-Ray ownership is a predicate for posting in the thread.
If you don't own a player, according to Tony, you can't post in the thread or you will be questioned as to your reason for posting in the thread.
GizmoDVD
10-24-07, 11:31 AM
Shhh...they would rather do things the hard way rather than the easy way. My problem is with people that don't own BR and come in to this thread to bash. There is nothing wrong with a healthy discussion but this thread within the last couple of months has gone to hell with certain people just waiting for the next article or poster to bash.
I think you are mistaken on that. It seems most of the people that support HD DVD also own a Blu-ray player, hence why you will see us in this thread. However, on the flip side, those who own a Blu-ray player don't seem to own an HD DVD player. That is why you will see more discussion in this thread vs. the HD DVD one.
As others have stated, its not reall the articles we are bashing, its the way they are being posted. Was it really needed to post this:
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showpost.php?p=8231564&postcount=85
" NOTE: The Blu-ray is on only one disc where the HD is spread over 2 - this is a huge separation point - drawing some concrete lines in the format war. "
Those type of comments from a reviewer who is obviously biased (Making the mention that The Shining HD DVD has 2 discs 4 times in the article) was unneeded. Its just begging to get attacked.
Hammer99
10-24-07, 11:33 AM
I think you are mistaken on that. It seems most of the people that support HD DVD also own a Blu-ray player, hence why you will see us in this thread. However, on the flip side, those who own a Blu-ray player don't seem to own an HD DVD player. That is why you will see more discussion in this thread vs. the HD DVD one. :rolleyes:
GizmoDVD
10-24-07, 11:36 AM
:rolleyes:
I can think of 3 people right now that don't own HD DVD players and 2 of them normally <s>attack</s> post in the HD DVD thread. But I digress. I'm going to stay out of these attacks for today. Too much smoke in California is making me dizzy.
DVD Josh
10-24-07, 11:41 AM
I didn't read it that way at all. Seemed more like a frustrated, detailed reply from someone tired of dealing with the subject. Just my 2 cents.
When you hold the position of DVD Talk Reviewer, it is you responsibility to uphold the company line on issues like hd vs. bd. That means at least be neutral. I would have no problem if he posted just BD news and promoted the format and ignored the very existence of HD-DVD.
But that's not how he does it. He gives O'Reilly like spin to BD and negative spin to HD. This makes people question his objectivity and motives.
Furthermore, some of his BD news quotes "insiders" who are faceless Deep Throats whose comments cannot be verified. Or he's simply regurgitating information from self-proclaimed insiders that can equally not be verified and many of which are extremely pro-BD and anti-HD-DVD.
It really comes down to how much credence you lend a poster's comments. Some people have rightly earned that, others have not. We all need to make that decision for ourselves.
I don't like to block any member unless he's being racist, insulting or just plain stupid because I feel that everyone's contribution to this forum is important. Also, I feel that this forum has a rich tradition of spirited discussion amongst differing opinions and blocking users does not continue that.
Finally, and perhaps most importantly, Pro-B himself instructed us that "no one's opinions and information should be questioned more" than his own in a recent posting.
Hammer99
10-24-07, 11:45 AM
When you hold the position of DVD Talk Reviewer, it is you responsibility to uphold the company line on issues like hd vs. bd. That means at least be neutral. I would have no problem if he posted just BD news and promoted the format and ignored the very existence of HD-DVD.
But that's not how he does it. He gives O'Reilly like spin to BD and negative spin to HD. This makes people question his objectivity and motives.
Furthermore, some of his BD news quotes "insiders" who are faceless Deep Throats whose comments cannot be verified. Or he's simply regurgitating information from self-proclaimed insiders that can equally not be verified and many of which are extremely pro-BD and anti-HD-DVD.
It really comes down to how much credence you lend a poster's comments. Some people have rightly earned that, others have not. We all need to make that decision for ourselves.
I don't like to block any member unless he's being racist, insulting or just plain stupid because I feel that everyone's contribution to this forum is important. Also, I feel that this forum has a rich tradition of spirited discussion amongst differing opinions and blocking users does not continue that.
Finally, and perhaps most importantly, Pro-B himself instructed us that "no one's opinions and information should be questioned more" than his own in a recent posting.Pot, meet kettle. ;)
Qui Gon Jim
10-24-07, 11:52 AM
It's funny that you would call other people out when if you take a look at the history of your posts, you are one of the ones that bash all of the BR articles posted. Another question, why are you in a Blu-ray thread when you don't even own a blu-ray player?
Here's where the bias I was talking about comes in. I have been and continue to be critical of both formats. You, and others take anything negative that is said about BD (and let's face it: there are plenty of negative things to say about BOTH formats) personally and tag the poster with the "HD DVD fanboy" tag.
It is a popular political tactic; attack the messenger and not the message.
This thread has turned into a shill zone, not a discussion area. I tried a few posts back to redirect onto discussion of BD to get away from the bickering. There are some people who just seem to want to fight about this.
This is a BD Discussion thread. Ownership of BD is not required to participate. Nor is "allegiance" to Sony. I can be critical of something without owning it. If you look at my posts, I have never, ever commented on the PQ of a BD disc, because I don't have BD and my comments would be uneducated. I can comment on the business moves made by Sony and the studios.
We need to move away from the passive-aggressive bickering and outright aggressive bickering and just move on. Both formats are here to stay for a while.
DVD Josh
10-24-07, 11:55 AM
Pot, meet kettle. ;)
That's fine. You seem more apt to attempt clever one liners and attacking other members than contributing anything of substance to these discussions anyway.
bunkaroo
10-24-07, 11:56 AM
When you hold the position of DVD Talk Reviewer, it is you responsibility to uphold the company line on issues like hd vs. bd. That means at least be neutral. I would have no problem if he posted just BD news and promoted the format and ignored the very existence of HD-DVD.
This is not meant to be argumentative, but says who?
I've never gotten the impression that reviewers here are required to appear neutral. I can think of at least 2 reviewers whom I would immediately identify as favoring HD DVD, but it doesn't affect my perspective when reading their reviews.
Qui Gon Jim
10-24-07, 11:56 AM
:rolleyes:
You can roll your eyes at this if you want, but I really do think it is true. Most people who are interested in movies have accepted that there are two formats and have made or plan on making purchases in both. I see most people who are posting their collections are either HD DVD and Blu-Ray or Blu-Ray only. The HD DVD only owner is much rarer than the other two.
Hammer99
10-24-07, 11:56 AM
That's fine. You seem more apt to attempt clever one liners and attacking other members than contributing anything of substance to these discussions anyway. :rolleyes:
Qui Gon Jim
10-24-07, 11:58 AM
You're talking about the WB sets right?
Definitely a good deal for those who won't have them yet.
I think there's one coming next month with Troy: DC, Alexander FC, Wyatt Earp and one other I can't think of at the moment. Definitely a good deal @ ~$60.
Those are the sets I saw. I don't recall seeing them mentioned elsewhere.
I noticed that FYE also has a decent selection, but their prices are a little scary.
DVD Josh
10-24-07, 12:02 PM
:rolleyes:
Case in point.
DVD Josh
10-24-07, 12:04 PM
This is not meant to be argumentative, but says who?
I've never gotten the impression that reviewers here are required to appear neutral. I can think of at least 2 reviewers whom I would immediately identify as favoring HD DVD, but it doesn't affect my perspective when reading their reviews.
Yeah, neutral is probably the wrong word. I think I said it more clearly later in the post when I said I saw no issue with favoring a particular format but not at the expense of bashing the other.
kefrank
10-24-07, 12:15 PM
Shhh...they would rather do things the hard way rather than the easy way. My problem is with people that don't own BR and come in to this thread to bash. There is nothing wrong with a healthy discussion but this thread within the last couple of months has gone to hell with certain people just waiting for the next article or poster to bash.
for the most part, i agree. but again, i think we need to draw a distinction between bashing a poster and bashing an article. it is perfectly reasonable to critique or express opinions of an article that is posted in this thread. i mean, this is the "news and discussion" thread. however, the discussion should maintain a level of objectivity and maturity that has been somewhat lacking at times (even in my own posts, admittedly).
matome
10-24-07, 12:27 PM
Good job on the Blu-Ray Discussion! Keep it going, its real informative and focused on Blu Ray.
I am not going to respond to the personal attack of me in this thread. I simply ask:
When did the Blu Ray thread become only a positive spin zone for Blu Ray - this is Blu Ray discussion, discussion implies both good and bad discussion, not just Blu Ray is the best.
Can we get a breakdown of your pro/anti-BD posts?
pricdews
10-24-07, 01:22 PM
I think it's the goal of a few to run off the last remaining pro-blu members. Regardless of who win's the argument here, the forum reader loses. Anyone trying to briefly catch up on Blu-ray news (and discussion of that news) will find pages of discussion having nothing to do with Blu-ray itself. It's been a constant cycle on this forum. I think this calls for more involved moderation. Format war threads didn't work. Is there a need for a dedicated anti-Blu-ray thread to please some here?
chanster
10-24-07, 01:32 PM
Can we get a breakdown of your pro/anti-BD posts?
As Pro-B would say, go ahead and look it up..I've said all along that I would get a Blu Ray player when the costs come down and the specs are finalized...I'm not sure how the question adds to Blu Ray discussion though..
pro-bassoonist
10-24-07, 01:41 PM
This response was even more smarmy and deflective as I imagined it would be. It's good to see you are completely incapable of having a courteous exchange with a fellow member without resorting to the same posting style as you do with your BD news and HD-DVD responses.
I have nothing else to add to what I have already written. You requested that I respond to your criticism, I did. This being said, I leave it to others to judge whose actions were deflective. Suffice to say both you and GizmoDVD refused to provide facts to support your claims/criticism - he suggested that readers find the relevant info at AVS while you were unwilling to go back and dive through threads. So much for your touted courteous exchange.
And a small clarification -- the following quote is not mine, it is courtesy of DVDBEAVER, and this is precisely how it was posted on DVDBEAVER:
" NOTE: The Blu-ray is on only one disc where the HD is spread over 2 - this is a huge separation point - drawing some concrete lines in the format war. "
Hence, the answer to the question below is a resounding YES! When quoting an article or a specific fragment from an article this is precisely how you do the quoting - (according to the Chicago Manual of Style).
As others have stated, its not reall the articles we are bashing, its the way they are being posted. Was it really needed to post this:
Those type of comments from a reviewer who is obviously biased (Making the mention that The Shining HD DVD has 2 discs 4 times in the article) was unneeded. Its just begging to get attacked.
Ciao,
Pro-B
DVD Josh
10-24-07, 02:02 PM
I have nothing else to add to what I have already written. You requested that I respond to your criticism, I did. This being said, I leave it to others to judge whose actions were deflective. Suffice to say both you and GizmoDVD refused to provide facts to support your claims/criticism - he suggested that readers find the relevant info at AVS while you were unwilling to go back and dive through threads. So much for your touted courteous exchange.
Not true. You responded to basically nothing in my original post to you. I provided AMPLE support for my opinions on your conduct and posting style, and you got defensive. Hit too close to home I presume.
Also, the phrase "dive through threads" has no ill meaning, and you are taking it offensively for absolutely no reason (italicized because you like italics more than BD apparently).
namja
10-24-07, 03:03 PM
When you hold the position of DVD Talk Reviewer, it is you responsibility to uphold the company line on issues like hd vs. bd. That means at least be neutral. I would have no problem if he posted just BD news and promoted the format and ignored the very existence of HD-DVD.
MOD NOTE: DVD Josh, I know you backed up a little bit on the "neutral" comment already (your post where you said, "neutral is probably the wrong word"), but just to give an official clarification: being a DVD Talk Reviewer does not mean that one has to be format neutral. Not implying that any particular reviewer is pro-HD or pro-BD, just that it's natural for a person to be pro-something in a split like this. Even people who own and love both formats and claim to be format neutral generally have a preference towards one format.
Anyway, let's please discuss Blu-ray NEWS and stop bitching at each other. Here are a few reminders:
No, you don't need to own a BD player to participate in this thread.
Yes, you may post and discuss all BD-related news, whether positive or negative.
However, if most of your posts are merely to rebut a pro-BD news, then you're NOT welcome here (yeah, that's called trolling).
Please discuss NEWS and not EACH OTHER.
Thanks for your cooperation.
namja
Moderator, DVD Talk Forums
tonymontana313
10-24-07, 04:07 PM
MOD NOTE: DVD Josh, I know you backed up a little bit on the "neutral" comment already (your post where you said, "neutral is probably the wrong word"), but just to give an official clarification: being a DVD Talk Reviewer does not mean that one has to be format neutral. Not implying that any particular reviewer is pro-HD or pro-BD, just that it's natural for a person to be pro-something in a split like this. Even people who own and love both formats and claim to be format neutral generally have a preference towards one format.
Anyway, let's please discuss Blu-ray NEWS and stop bitching at each other. Here are a few reminders:
No, you don't need to own a BD player to participate in this thread.
Yes, you may post and discuss all BD-related news, whether positive or negative.
However, if most of your posts are merely to rebut a pro-BD news, then you're NOT welcome here (yeah, that's called trolling).
Please discuss NEWS and not EACH OTHER.
Thanks for your cooperation.
namja
Moderator, DVD Talk Forums
Thank you very much for stating this.
Harry Lime
10-24-07, 04:22 PM
'3:10 to Yuma' Ready to Ride on Blu-ray this January
Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 11:00 AM ET
Lionsgate has sent an early alert to retailers that '3:10 to Yuma' will be saddling up for a day-and-date release on both Blu-ray and standard DVD this January.
A remake of the classic 1957 western, '3:10 to Yuma' hit theaters in early September, and has earned nearly $50 million at the domestic box office so far, largely on the backs of stars Russell Crowe and Christian Bale.
Lionsgate will give the James Mangold-directed actioner a fairly speedy trip to video, with a retail street date of January 8, 2008 for the Blu-ray and DVD versions.
Given the early announcement to retail, there are no tech specs or supplemental details available as of yet. A full press release is expected shortly, so we'll keep you posted.
^^DVDEmpire lists a 7.1 PCM track for 3:10. That is going to sound f'in amazing :up:
chanster
10-24-07, 06:00 PM
Gary Tooze, the original DVD Beaver guy, had a good article about high def formats here:
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/articles/blu-ray-hd-dvd.htm
His ultimate conclusion, which is where I stand right now (having bought an HD DVD player, and really wanting prices to go down on Blu Ray) says this:
I might suggest going cheaper HD first as I personally did, and if you are so enamored by the experience - buy Blu-ray in a year when it is, hopefully, as inexpensive. I think there is enough in HD at present (and announced) to satisfy many film fans for a long while and I don't foresee it dying a slow death - it might end up with 5000 titles in the next decade... or, then again, it may not.
I wouldn’t write off either format yet and I'm hoping, and truly believe; at least one will survive to eventually (10 years?) become a standard – so much has been spent (and and is continues to be spent) but the future adjusts so rapidly how can anyone predict it anymore. I have a soft spot for HD as they seem to be the underdog in many people’s eyes - it is region free as well that I expect more arthouse and foreign film titles will be released if HD ends up ‘winning’ (ex. Studio Canal in France – an original HD supporter – has a huge world cinema library to access. NOTE: They just announced they will also support Blu-ray in some titles as well - see HERE). I'll repeat; If it cost more to produce BR discs than HD then I envision less studios up-converting bountiful releases from their vault (we tend to like the obscure rather than the mainstream here at DVDBeaver)… and hence my suggestion that it has more chance of going niche (SACD’ing as it were). I'd like whatever new format ends up conquering to be widespread and reasonably priced as well (for consumer support and for production to make available a diverse enough catalogue of titles).
bunkaroo
10-24-07, 06:21 PM
^^DVDEmpire lists a 7.1 PCM track for 3:10. That is going to sound f'in amazing :up:
Cool! I meant to see this in the theater but they pulled it from the DLP room before I could get to it. Can't wait to get this disc.
BornAgainStar
10-24-07, 07:57 PM
Gary Tooze, the original DVD Beaver guy, had a good article about high def formats here:
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/articles/blu-ray-hd-dvd.htm
His ultimate conclusion, which is where I stand right now (having bought an HD DVD player, and really wanting prices to go down on Blu Ray) says this:
There's only ~$100 difference between players right now, so I don't see hardware cost as an issue anymore.
tonymontana313
10-24-07, 08:05 PM
Cool! I meant to see this in the theater but they pulled it from the DLP room before I could get to it. Can't wait to get this disc.
I didn't get a chance to catch it either but I heard it was a great flick. Plus the 7.1 PCM should sound fantastic. Cant wait! :drool:
namja
10-24-07, 08:22 PM
Anyway, let's please discuss Blu-ray NEWS and stop bitching at each other.
Okay, I just deleted 4 posts from this thread after the previous warning.
Next step: suspension.
Nutdotnet
10-24-07, 08:28 PM
There's only ~$100 difference between players right now, so I don't see hardware cost as an issue anymore.
Hey, $100 is a $100...believe it or not there IS a difference between $299 and $399 in consumer's eyes.
Sony has announced it will ring in the new year with the mutant zombies of 'Resident Evil,' when it brings the two remaining films in the trilogy to Blu-ray this January as both stand-alone releases and in a complete box set version.
Adapted from the smash video game, the original 'Resident Evil' scared up over $100 million at the worldwide box office back in 2002, spawning a franchise that included 2004's 'Resident Evil: Apocalypse,' and this year's 'Resident Evil: Extinction,' which has been billed as the last in the trilogy.
Although Sony issued the second film in the series on Blu-ray this past January, the first film had (until now) been MIA, and 'Extinction' is only now just winding down its run in theaters. That will all change on January 2nd (a rare Wednesday release, a day after the New Year's holiday), when Sony will unleash both 'Resident Evil' and 'Extinction' in stand-alone versions, as well as a complete 'Resident Evil Trilogy' box set containing all three films.
The studio hasn't provided any tech specs or supplemental details yet on either of the new 'Resident Evil' releases, but a full press release is expected in the coming days. Needless to say, we'll keep you posted.
List prices will run the gamut, from $28.98 for 'Resident Evil,' $39.98 for 'Resident Evil: Extinction,' and $59.98 for the complete 'Resident Evil Trilogy.'
There's only ~$100 difference between players right now, so I don't see hardware cost as an issue anymore.
that's true of MSRP for the latest models, but street prices still offer a slightly larger disparity.
that being said, for my personal purchasing, i see hardware prices between HD DVD and Blu-ray as being practically comparable now. an HD DVD player with my minimum requirements is going to cost me about the same as a blu-ray player. at the ~400 price point, the only feature HD DVD has that Blu-ray doesn't is PiP and internet interactivity. i'm hoping the $399 PS3 will eventually change that.
Harry Lime
10-24-07, 08:53 PM
that's true of MSRP for the latest models, but street prices still offer a slightly larger disparity.
that being said, for my personal purchasing, i see hardware prices between HD DVD and Blu-ray as being practically comparable now. an HD DVD player with my minimum requirements is going to cost me about the same as a blu-ray player. at the ~400 price point, the only feature HD DVD has that Blu-ray doesn't is PiP and internet interactivity. i'm hoping the $399 PS3 will eventually change that.
Its being released after Oct. 31 so its mandatory and older PS3s will get updated as well.
Mr. Music
10-24-07, 09:08 PM
List prices will run the gamut, from $28.98 for 'Resident Evil,' $39.98 for 'Resident Evil: Extinction,' and $59.98 for the complete 'Resident Evil Trilogy.'
Yes!
I am most definitely glad I waited and didn't purchase RE: Apocalypse... now... (no pun intended)
kefrank
10-24-07, 10:07 PM
Its being released after Oct. 31 so its mandatory and older PS3s will get updated as well.
i've heard conflicting reports on that actually. supposedly, the BDA mandates that all players certified after October 31st have to be Profile 1.1-compliant. the actual release date of the player is immaterial. the 40GB PS3 was almost certainly already certified given its imminent release date and therefore is not required to meet the Profile 1.1 spec.
that being said, i'm hopeful that all PS3s will eventually receive a Profile 1.1 update.
DthRdrX
10-24-07, 10:39 PM
I really wish these studios would think about holding back titles that they know will be part of a boxset a few months later.
Harry Lime
10-24-07, 11:03 PM
i've heard conflicting reports on that actually. supposedly, the BDA mandates that all players certified after October 31st have to be Profile 1.1-compliant. the actual release date of the player is immaterial. the 40GB PS3 was almost certainly already certified given its imminent release date and therefore is not required to meet the Profile 1.1 spec.
that being said, i'm hopeful that all PS3s will eventually receive a Profile 1.1 update.
oh, I see.
Well, I have read from many sources that all PS3s will get updated via firmware. Even if the 40gb isn't preset to Profile 1.1
It doesnt seem completely announced and promised, it was hinted at. Also, in anthoer place where I read about firmware 1.4 being released for the PS3, it said that it will include dualshock support and also enhance Blu-ray playback. That firmware is expected by the end of the month and was said to be included with Ratchet and Clank: TOD.
vcuram
10-24-07, 11:22 PM
Quick question: Are all four Die Hard films being released separately on Blu-ray or just in a box set?
Suprmallet
10-24-07, 11:38 PM
They're all available separately as well as together.
dizzlle01
10-24-07, 11:44 PM
I really wish these studios would think about holding back titles that they know will be part of a boxset a few months later.
I would rather have it now then wait for a boxset. There are certain movies where it's not worth having the whole trilogy and I certainly don't want forced buy.
DthRdrX
10-24-07, 11:50 PM
I would rather have it now then wait for a boxset. There are certain movies where it's not worth having the whole trilogy and I certainly don't want forced buy.
What they should do when this happens is offer those of us who bought the earlier release the new box like New Line did with LOTR: EE.
GizmoDVD
10-25-07, 12:08 AM
So the 1st Resident Evil will be available by itself?
Suprmallet
10-25-07, 12:16 AM
According to that press release, yes. All three will be available separately or together in a box set.
Sony Corp.'s new 40GB Playstation 3 sold out in advanced orders at retailer Amazon.com on Tues.
The new 40GB model, which includes a Blu-ray disc drive, built-in Wi-Fi, a wireless controller, and a copy of Spider-Man 3 on Blu-ray disc, will sell for $399 on Nov. 2.
Customers can opt to receive an e-mail alert when the product returns to availability.
Amazon began offering the product over the weekend following an announcement of the new product early last week.
The latest version lacks backwards compatibility found in previous models including the 20GB, 60GB, and limited compatibility in the 80GB.
Sony last week announced the 40GB SKU in addition to a price cut of the 80GB by $100 to $499. In July it price cut the 60GB SKU to $499, where it will remain until stock is depleted.
The new retail strategy will likely spike sales of the hardware, which held demand far below Microsoft Corp.'s Xbox 360 and Nintendo Co.'s Wii in U.S. Sept. sales.
This week, Sony released the action title Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction and card battle title Eye of Judgement.
The PS3 has sold about 1.85 million units to date in the U.S.
that's true of MSRP for the latest models, but street prices still offer a slightly larger disparity.
that being said, for my personal purchasing, i see hardware prices between HD DVD and Blu-ray as being practically comparable now. an HD DVD player with my minimum requirements is going to cost me about the same as a blu-ray player. at the ~400 price point, the only feature HD DVD has that Blu-ray doesn't is PiP and internet interactivity. i'm hoping the $399 PS3 will eventually change that.
Sony Corp.'s new 40GB Playstation 3 sold out in advanced orders at retailer Amazon.com on Tues.
The new 40GB model, which includes a Blu-ray disc drive, built-in Wi-Fi, a wireless controller, and a copy of Spider-Man 3 on Blu-ray disc, will sell for $399 on Nov. 2.
Customers can opt to receive an e-mail alert when the product returns to availability.
Amazon began offering the product over the weekend following an announcement of the new product early last week.
The latest version lacks backwards compatibility found in previous models including the 20GB, 60GB, and limited compatibility in the 80GB.
Sony last week announced the 40GB SKU in addition to a price cut of the 80GB by $100 to $499. In July it price cut the 60GB SKU to $499, where it will remain until stock is depleted.
The new retail strategy will likely spike sales of the hardware, which held demand far below Microsoft Corp.'s Xbox 360 and Nintendo Co.'s Wii in U.S. Sept. sales.
This week, Sony released the action title Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction and card battle title Eye of Judgement.
The PS3 has sold about 1.85 million units to date in the U.S.
How many were available for pre-order? With this being available in limited quantity's anyway (according to Sony), it could be as little as 500 consoles. Not shocked that the numbers were not announced as this will create a great false hype demand.
Harry Lime
10-25-07, 02:33 AM
A2 = $199
Cheapest Blu-ray Player = $499.99
$300 difference.
Actually,
A2 = 199
Cheapest Blu-ray Player = 399.99
$200 difference.
How many were available for pre-order? With this being available in limited quantity's anyway (according to Sony), it could be as little as 500 consoles. Not shocked that the numbers were not announced as this will create a great false hype demand.
Where did you read that it was going to be limited quantities? Source please?
Gerry P.
10-25-07, 02:43 AM
...it could be as little as 500 consoles.Where did this number come from? I was thinking of buying a second PS3 from Amazon before Christmas.
Harry Lime
10-25-07, 02:50 AM
Seems like the 40gb isn't the only one selling well...
What? The 80GB PS3. Had it been the 40GB PS3 that was doing well for Sony we'd not be so surprised; but for the 80GB SKU that everyone's been running away from, because of its high price, to be up 960% in sales on Amazon.com's rank is very strange. Scary even for competitors Microsoft and Nintendo. Other news says that demand for Bungie's Halo 3 has lifted Xbox 360 sales past Nintendo’s Wii. Has something major happened that we haven't found out about yet...?
First things first. The most unexpected news of all, regarding sales figures for consoles of this generation, is of course the 80GB PS3 going up 960 percent in Amazon.com's sales rank - thanks ddps3.com. Not 300 percent, not 600 percent, but almost a frikkin’ 1000 percent. How is this possible? What could lift the PS3 – and most importantly, the expensive version – so high up in sales in the last 24 hours?
What? Has Halo 3 launched for it and we didn't know about it? Even if that were the case, the 80GB PS3 bundle is still packed with a copy of MotorSorm, so everything you're getting for the $499.99 is that and a SIXAXIS.
As for how Microsoft is doing with their respective machine, they owe everything to Bungie's FPS, Halo 3. According to thenewstribune.com, "Microsoft Corp.’s Xbox 360 outsold Nintendo Co.’s Wii for the first time this year in September as surging demand for the software maker’s "Halo 3" title helped lift industry console sales."
The website mentions that N.Y.-based researcher NPD Group provided some information on Thursday according to which, "U.S. retailers sold 527,800 Xbox 360s, topping the Wii’s 501,000," also reporting that 119,400 Sony PlayStation 3s had been sold in stores, bringing total hardware sales to 124 percent.
Quite a turn of events, wouldn't you say? While we can all understand the Xbox 360's success, we'll keep our ears to the ground for more clarification on the huge demand of 80GB PS3s within the last 24 hours.
You know damn well the A2 is a clearance item and last gen, it is not manufactured anymore. A3 is the nearest at 299 and the 40 gig ps3 is 399, hence a 100 dollar price difference. But thats if you settle for 1080i. For 1080p, you go to the A30 and now you're back to 399 vs 399.
namja
10-25-07, 04:57 AM
A2 = $199
Cheapest Blu-ray Player = $499.99
$300 difference.
You know damn well the A2 is a clearance item and last gen, it is not manufactured anymore. A3 is the nearest at 299 and the 40 gig ps3 is 399, hence a 100 dollar price difference. But thats if you settle for 1080i. For 1080p, you go to the A30 and now you're back to 399 vs 399.
Actually, you guys are both wrong. Harry Lime had it right.
Cheapest HD DVD player = $199 for the A2
Cheapest Blu-ray player = $399 for the PS3
Anyway, if you read (and re-read) the article that stemmed this discussion, you'll see that it meant the cheapest players. And, yes, I belive most of us are aware that the specs of the two machines not necessarily equivalent, only that these two represent the cheapest machines that are "currently" available.
QuePaso
10-25-07, 06:19 AM
Actually, you guys are both wrong. Harry Lime had it right.
Cheapest HD DVD player = $199 for the A2
Cheapest Blu-ray player = $399 for the PS3
Anyway, if you read (and re-read) the article that stemmed this discussion, you'll see that it meant the cheapest players. And, yes, I belive most of us are aware that the specs of the two machines not necessarily equivalent, only that these two represent the cheapest machines that are "currently" available.
The A2 isnt 199 everywhere, just walmart, where it is being clearanced. So you cant call it the cheapest since its only cheapest in one store. You cant walk into circuit city or best buy and buy one for 199, so its a YMMV deal and should not be called official. The 399 ps3 will be available at all stores at the same price. You cannot compare a fire sale clearance of old gen hardware vs standard msrp price.
Mr. Cinema
10-25-07, 07:14 AM
The A2 isnt 199 everywhere, just walmart, where it is being clearanced. So you cant call it the cheapest since its only cheapest in one store. You cant walk into circuit city or best buy and buy one for 199, so its a YMMV deal and should not be called official. The 399 ps3 will be available at all stores at the same price. You cannot compare a fire sale clearance of old gen hardware vs standard msrp price.
Panicing?
It's not like these are available at some local retail chain, this is at freakin' Walmart. THOUSANDS of stores across the US.
I didn't see a clearance sign anywhere in Gizmo's photo.
Not sure why you are getting irritated. We are just posting FACTS, which is very important. FACT: you can get the A2 for $198 at Walmart. FACT: the lowest priced PS3 "capable" player is the PS3 40gb, which will be sold for $399.
Michael Corvin
10-25-07, 08:01 AM
The problem with both those articles about Amazon sales is that no numbers are given as a point of reference. What were sales before the 1000% jump? How many 40GB PS3s is a sell-out?
All the best to them, but it's vague and reeks of PR spin to me.
Qui Gon Jim
10-25-07, 08:21 AM
i've heard conflicting reports on that actually. supposedly, the BDA mandates that all players certified after October 31st have to be Profile 1.1-compliant. the actual release date of the player is immaterial. the 40GB PS3 was almost certainly already certified given its imminent release date and therefore is not required to meet the Profile 1.1 spec.
that being said, i'm hopeful that all PS3s will eventually receive a Profile 1.1 update.
I would be shocked beyond shocked if PS3 isn't fully updatable to 1.1. It will be interesting to see if this 1.1 hubbub turns out to be no big deal at all as far as "breaking" older players.
Qui Gon Jim
10-25-07, 08:38 AM
Seems like the 40gb isn't the only one selling well...
This type of sales tracking can be spun misleadingly without actual sales numbers. This is a percentage of change in position.
I do think that the 80 gigers will sell out pretty fast now that it is clear that backwards compatibility in all forms is going out the window.
I am trying really hard not to be negative about this stuff, but I am calling it as I see it.
tonymontana313
10-25-07, 09:46 AM
I realize the 80 gig just got a 100 dollar pricedrop but I guess I underestimated the demand because amazon is now showing a shipping in 4 to 6 weeks shipping estimate for it.
kefrank
10-25-07, 09:54 AM
A2 = $199
Cheapest Blu-ray Player = $499.99
$300 difference.
please note my wording. i said "MSRP of the latest models". the A2 is a previous-gen model and the price you listed is a street price, not MSRP. the A3's MSRP is $299 and the 40GB PS3 is $399, thus the $100 difference.
the numbers you posted aren't even comparable, since one is a street price and one is an MSRP. there are a number of blu-ray standalones streeting for less than $499.
chanster
10-25-07, 09:58 AM
The point isn't the spread, the point is the cost to the consumer. The NPD analyst quoted in the Reuters article a few days ago said the magic number is sub $200..
Artman
10-25-07, 11:52 AM
The 80gig comes with Motorstorm....and that's it right? (besides the obvious system differences)
bunkaroo
10-25-07, 12:45 PM
I realize the 80 gig just got a 100 dollar pricedrop but I guess I underestimated the demand because amazon is now showing a shipping in 4 to 6 weeks shipping estimate for it.
I just picked up a 60GB since Best Buy was selling them for $499 and you could get Heavenly Sword for free with it. They way I look at it, this is just as good as tyhe 80GB, since I'm more interested in HS than Motorstorm. Also, even though the 60GB has less hard drive space, it still has the PS2 hardware support, so that's worth more to me.
I toyed around with the Blu-Ray playback and it definitely seems faster than my BDP-S1. Jury's still out on actual PQ differences between the two, if any.
Here's hoping they'll eventually support DTS-HD decoding or bitstream passing on the PS3.
dsa_shea
10-25-07, 01:01 PM
Now we not argue about the damn price between the two different formats in the Blu-Ray thread? This sounds like an argument between my middle school students. I would like to be able to go to a forum with adults and be able to discuss things like adults. Not throw around prices of units like it really matters. Why are some people so incessant about trying to sell their particular format to others? If you want to pay 199 or whatever the cost for an A2 then go for it. If a PS3 for 399 is up your alley then buy away. It is becoming obnoxious to come here and wade through all of this shit just to get some worthwhile news.
tonymontana313
10-25-07, 01:13 PM
Now we not argue about the damn price between the two different formats in the Blu-Ray thread? This sounds like an argument between my middle school students. I would like to be able to go to a forum with adults and be able to discuss things like adults. Not throw around prices of units like it really matters. Why are some people so incessant about trying to sell their particular format to others? If you want to pay 199 or whatever the cost for an A2 then go for it. If a PS3 for 399 is up your alley then buy away. It is becoming obnoxious to come here and wade through all of this shit just to get some worthwhile news.
I don't see anything wrong with price discussions but this is the wrong thread to do it in. Either way, namja did say suspensions would be coming for thread derailers.
dsa_shea
10-25-07, 01:20 PM
I don't see anything wrong with price discussions but this is the wrong thread to do it in. Either way, namja did say suspensions would be coming for thread derailers.
To be honest it is not really the discussion itself that bothers me. It is really how some people push the price of their unit of choice and use it to bash the other unit. I have both and I spent quite a chunk of change on both units so that I could be format neutral.
chanster
10-25-07, 01:27 PM
I would like to be able to go to a forum with adults and be able to discuss things like adults. Not throw around prices of units like it really matters.
A lot of adults would disagree with you, and NPD would also. ..I constantly monitor the costs of Blu-Ray players because I would like to pick one up.
dsa_shea
10-25-07, 02:27 PM
A lot of adults would disagree with you, and NPD would also. ..I constantly monitor the costs of Blu-Ray players because I would like to pick one up.
But people don't just discuss the cost of the Blu-Ray player in this thread. Most of the time it is along the lines of "This HD-dvd player is so much cheaper than any Blu-ray player you could buy. Or "This HD-dvd player is only 199 and the Blu-Ray players are no less than 399 for the cheapest model." Alot of this comes off as Na na na na I paid less for my Hd-dvd player or you shouldn't buy a Blu-ray player because they are more expensive. We all know that HD-dvd players are cheaper than Blu-ray players but some people beat this shit to death.
DVD Josh
10-25-07, 02:37 PM
Alot of this comes off as Na na na na I paid less for my Hd-dvd player or you shouldn't buy a Blu-ray player because they are more expensive.
I suppose if a person could not realize the substantive value of such discourse than that may be true.
pro-bassoonist
10-25-07, 02:39 PM
In Germany Koch Media and Universum Film are now amongst the ranks of Kinowelt, Concorde, Senator Film, Capelight Pictures, and Polyband supporting Blu-Ray. No detailed release schedule has been announced as of yet aside from Crank and the German summer hit Neues vom Wixxer which will be distributed via Universum.
Koch Media are the German distribs responsible for the Django Italo-Western Box, the Sergio Solima's set, and HALLELUJA ITALO-WESTERN-BOX amongst others. The distrib has currently announced the release of Stone Merchant starring Harvey Keitel which is set to arrive at the end of October.
Other titles of interest include Quentin Tarantino's Death Proof which is set to arrive on Blu-Ray this January courtesy of Senator Film.
Universum Film und Koch Media planen Filme auf Blu-ray Disc
Auf der IFA-Pressekonferenz der Blu-ray Disc Association wurden weitere deutsche Anbieter bekannt gegeben, die die Veröffentlichung von Filmen im Blu-ray Disc-Format planen. Neben Anbietern wie Highlight, Kinowelt, Concorde, Senator Film, Capelight Pictures und Polyband wollen zukünftig auch Universum Film und Koch Media das Blu-ray Disc-Format unterstützen.
Konkrete Termine für einzelne Titel wurden noch nicht genannt. Von Universum Film wurden als Beispiel für eine Blu-ray Disc-Veröffentlichung "Crank" und "Neues vom Wixxer" genannt. Ob die Studios neben der Blu-ray Disc auch HD DVD unterstützen werden, ist nicht bekannt. Die Pressekonferenz der HD DVD Promotion Group findet erst morgen statt.
Von den auf der Pressekonferenz der Blu-ray Disc Association genannten deutschen Anbietern haben zumindest Highlight, Concorde, Kinowelt und Polyband bereits Filme auch auf HD DVD veröffentlicht oder angekündigt.
Info courtesy of Blu-Rayler.
Ciao,
Pro-B
dsa_shea
10-25-07, 02:43 PM
I suppose if a person were immature enough not to realize the substantive value of such discourse than it may be so.
It is not how the reader interprets what is being said. It is the intent with which the writer makes his or her statements. There are people on here who continuously rub the price differences in the face of those who support Blu-Ray right here in the Blu-Ray thread. Those who own a Blu-Ray player realize that they are more expensive having purchased one. So I don't think you need to question my maturity when I bring this up, but rather take a look at what some others are saying and ask yourself why they say these things.
pro-bassoonist
10-25-07, 02:48 PM
Via High-Def Disc News:
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Weinstein_Co./HD_DVD_Backer_Weinstein_Goes_MIA_Speculation_Mounts/1105
With no releases or announcements from the Weinstein Company in over four months, speculation is mounting that there are changes afoot for the HD DVD exclusive distributor.
Although the well-regarded indie had been among the HD DVD camp's most high-profile exclusive studio partners, releasing nearly a dozen titles over the first six months of this year (including 'Clerks II,' 'Lucky Number Slevin' and 'Scary Movie 4'), the studio has been uncharacteristically quiet in recent months.
In fact, we haven't heard a peep from Weinstein on the next-gen front since the studio's June 12 HD DVD releases of 'Harsh Times' and 'Black Xmas.'
Could the studio be re-evaluating its HD DVD exclusivity stance? That's the current speculation among industry insiders and fans alike.
We recently brought the question to the studio itself, asking a Weinstein spokesperson to comment on the ongoing rumors, but his response seems likely to only add fuel to fire. "We aren’t commenting on our High-Def plans at this time" was the only word back from the studio.
So what's cooking? Darned if we know, but with such highly anticipated next-gen titles as 'Grindhouse' and '1408' waiting in the wings, here's hoping the studio will break its silence sometime soon.
Ciao,
Pro-B
chanster
10-25-07, 02:54 PM
Perfect example of not-news, a Web-site saying speculation has heated up. Is there any announcement of Blu-Ray releases?
Furthermore, how does this deal with Blu-Ray? In fact the semi-title of this thread is "HD DVD backer goes MIA"
Why not post it in the right forum? - the HD-DVD forum?
tonymontana313
10-25-07, 03:01 PM
Perfect example of not-news, a Web-site saying speculation has heated up. Is there any announcement of Blu-Ray releases?
Furthermore, how does this deal with Blu-Ray? In fact the semi-title of this thread is "HD DVD backer goes MIA"
Why not post it in the right forum? - the HD-DVD forum?
Because it is speculation that an exclusive hd-dvd studio would go neutral and support blu-ray therefore it is blu-ray news. Why do you spend more time in this thread rather than the hd-dvd news thread? I'm sorry but you stick out like a sore thumb in this thread.
chanster
10-25-07, 03:03 PM
Does this article state anywhere about supporting Blu-Ray? Thanks for telling me where I can spend my time..and personally attacking me. Who is speculating about Weinstein? This article does not mention anyone beyond "insiders and fans" I would like to know who is speculating.
dsa_shea
10-25-07, 03:06 PM
Does this article state anywhere about supporting Blu-Ray? Thanks for telling me where I can spend my time..and personally attacking me.
If there are only two high definition formats out there and a studio second guesses supporting HD-dvd only then what else could happen? Yes, this very well could turn out to be good news for those who are Blu-Ray only.
DVD Josh
10-25-07, 03:07 PM
So I don't think you need to question my maturity when I bring this up, but rather take a look at what some others are saying and ask yourself why they say these things.
I'll thank you not to read too much into my comments to you personally. I wasn't making a direct comment to you, but a broad statement to people generally. Anything personal you read into it is of your own making, because that's not how I intended it.
It needs to be understood that price is a critical component of the format wars. There are three MAIN reasons why people are adopting en masse
1) Ignorance of the format
2) No perception of increase in quality (or not an issue to them)
3) Price
Being a critical component, it warrants discussion.
DVD Josh
10-25-07, 03:09 PM
Because it is speculation that an exclusive hd-dvd studio would go neutral and support blu-ray therefore it is blu-ray news. Why do you spend more time in this thread rather than the hd-dvd news thread? I'm sorry but you stick out like a sore thumb in this thread.
How about you restrict your comments to the substance of Chanster's posts and not his presence in the thread. Unless of course, you are aiming for a suspension, as Neimen stated.
Not only that, he's ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. There is ZERO proof other than sheer speculation that that is the reason, and that speculation is probably from BD supporters.
This is not news. This is nothing more speculation and should not be presented as news.
bunkaroo
10-25-07, 03:14 PM
If there are only two high definition formats out there and a studio second guesses supporting HD-dvd only then what else could happen? Yes, this very well could turn out to be good news for those who are Blu-Ray only.
Maybe they're going VMD exclusive! :D
pro-bassoonist
10-25-07, 03:15 PM
Does this article state anywhere about supporting Blu-Ray?
Instead of continuously derailing this thread I believe you should spend more time on reading what has been reported before making uniformed posts!
Given the distrib's relation to Strangehold and Hard Boiled for that matter, which are relevant for PS3 owners, I determined that posting the Weinsten bit above belongs in this very forum-a place where PS3 owners would typically look for news.
I'll thank you not to read too much into my comments to you personally. I wasn't making a direct comment to you, but a broad statement to people generally. Anything personal you read into it is of your own making, because that's not how I intended it.
It needs to be understood that price is a critical component of the format wars. There are three MAIN reasons why people are adopting en masse
1) Ignorance of the format
2) No perception of increase in quality (or not an issue to them)
3) Price
Being a critical component, it warrants discussion.
I do agree that it warrants a discussion but not here in the Blu-Ray news thread. This is where time and time again people try to lay a beatdown on Blu-Ray by constantly bringing up HD-dvd player prices here in this particular thread. I respect the fact that you too are dual format or neutral but I do believe that some of the lobbying on here and "team" play has gone too far.
chanster
10-25-07, 03:19 PM
Instead of continuously derailing this thread I believe you should spend more time on reading what has been reported before making uniformed posts!
No. I am not required to read the whole forum before I respond to threads. I would like to know who these insiders and fans who are are speculating, and furthermore, I would like to know why this doesn't belong in the HD-DVD discussion...the article you posted had nothing to do with the "speculation" about the Weinstein studio.
DVD Josh
10-25-07, 03:22 PM
I do agree that it warrants a discussion but not here in the Blu-Ray news thread. This is where time and time again people try to lay a beatdown on Blu-Ray by constantly bringing up HD-dvd player prices here in this particular thread. I respect the fact that you too are dual format or neutral but I do believe that some of the lobbying on here and "team" play has gone too far.
All I can say is that this both the news AND discussion thread. I believe the forum mods realized that it's impossible to separate the two, as one will breed the other.
I'm with you on dual format support. My only complaints about BD are price, lack of extras, and the semantics. Doesn't change that I think the format is completely awesome, however.
Don't get me wrong, HD has its problems as well - load times, problematic firmware updates, not releasing prime titles and inability to seemingly take advantage of its market position.
That's why in an imperfect world, if you can't beat em, join em, and buy them both. Then you support the concept of next generation media, which is the most important issue anyway.
pro-bassoonist
10-25-07, 03:26 PM
No. I am not required to read the whole forum before I respond to threads.
Surely in this case you are. It would have helped you understand why this bit of news is here:
Because an exclusive-HDDVD supporter was involved with the release of Hard-Boiled on Blu-Ray, via PS3's Strangehold, (read the article above). Which is more than a good enough reason to follow the distrib's progression on the market in the Blu-Ray forum.
Ciao,
Pro-B
chanster
10-25-07, 03:29 PM
Thank you Pro-B for at least discussing content, as opposed to yelling at me personally. I might disagree with you, but at least you addressed the content of my post, unlike others who question my right to be in this thread.
I still find the article you posted very weak - It names no sources of the speculation and does not indicate any official change. Therefore, I consider it nothing but rumor.
Jim
10-25-07, 03:29 PM
My only complaints about BD are price, lack of extras, and the semantics.Can you elaborate on what you mean by semantics? Don't like the name 'Blu-ray'? I'm honestly curious and want to hear your thoughts.
dsa_shea
10-25-07, 03:30 PM
All I can say is that this both the news AND discussion thread. I believe the forum mods realized that it's impossible to separate the two, as one will breed the other.
I'm with you on dual format support. My only complaints about BD are price, lack of extras, and the semantics. Doesn't change that I think the format is completely awesome, however.
Don't get me wrong, HD has its problems as well - load times, problematic firmware updates, not releasing prime titles and inability to seemingly take advantage of its market position.
That's why in an imperfect world, if you can't beat em, join em, and buy them both. Then you support the concept of next generation media, which is the most important issue anyway.
I agree with everything you said but the bold section states my exact feelings. Some people on here act as if they stand to gain monetarily if one format or the other wins out. We are all just pawns in the big money making game that is digital movies and yet some people have failed to realize this. I enjoy movies so therefore I will buy the movies on whichever format they are released. When they go dual I weigh the pros and cons of that particular release on each format before I purchase a copy. My preference is in Blu-Ray as I have two players, but it would not bother me one bit to see both of these sytems ride it out until the next format is introduced to the world. I appreciate your contributions to these threads and look forward to having more productive conversations with you in the future.
tonymontana313
10-25-07, 03:30 PM
Does this article state anywhere about supporting Blu-Ray? Thanks for telling me where I can spend my time..and personally attacking me. Who is speculating about Weinstein? This article does not mention anyone beyond "insiders and fans" I would like to know who is speculating.
I've been following this thread for a while and everyone of your posts in this thread have been negative towards blu-ray which leads me to believe that you are simply trolling the thread and have no interest in Blu-ray whatsoever.
While I'm neutral, I do have my preference for Blu-ray so therefore I have an interest in this thread and it ticks me off how it gets derailed on a daily basis. While there are things in the hd-dvd thread I don't agree with, I don't post my thoughts to keep the thread from getting derailed so I don't understand why hd-dvd supporters can't extend the same courtesy in this thread.
chanster
10-25-07, 03:32 PM
I've been following this thread for a while and everyone of your posts in this thread have been negative towards blu-ray which leads me to believe that you are simply trolling the thread and have no interest in Blu-ray whatsoever.
While I'm neutral, I do have my preference for Blu-ray so therefore I have an interest in this thread and it ticks me off how it gets derailed on a daily basis. While there are things in the hd-dvd thread I don't agree with, I don't post my thoughts to keep the thread from getting derailed so I don't understand why hd-dvd supporters can't extend the same courtesy in this thread.
Again a personal attack. Why? I have a right to question supposed "articles" I have an interest in Blu-Ray I've said it for a long time and I will continue to say it. I asked a valid question - who are the sources of speculation. This article says nothing about Blu-Ray so I'm not even "bashing" Blu Ray by discussing this article.
What your personal opinion of me is, I don't give a damn. Your constant attacks on me seem like you are attempting me to goad into saying something. I will not. I questioned the article's sources and importance, relevant to Blue-Ray. Other people would agree with me. So please leave me alone and stop attacking me personally.
tonymontana313
10-25-07, 03:39 PM
Again a personal attack. Why? I have a right to question supposed "articles" I have an interest in Blu-Ray I've said it for a long time and I will continue to say it. I asked a valid question - who are the sources of speculation. This article says nothing about Blu-Ray so I'm not even "bashing" Blu Ray by discussing this article.
What your personal opinion of me is, I don't give a damn.
How is it a personal attack when I'm merely stating my observations. If you go back and read namja's post, he clearly stated if you are simply here to rebut pro BD news, you are trolling.
kefrank
10-25-07, 03:41 PM
Because an exclusive-HDDVD supporter was involved with the release of Hard-Boiled on Blu-Ray, via PS3's Strangehold
unfortunately, the movie is only playable on the PS3 and is not a genuine release of Hard Boiled on BD.
i'll consider Weinstein information news as soon as they officially announce the Dragon Dynasty titles for either hi-def format.
chanster
10-25-07, 03:41 PM
Please leave me alone, discuss the contents of my post, but not me I do not appreciate it. Thank you, Pro-B discussed the contents of the post, your airing of personal observations is a personal attack. I am not rebutting any news, I am questioning the soundness of the "reporting" behind this "article"
bunkaroo
10-25-07, 03:43 PM
So is Stranglehold/Hard Boiled on a BD-50?
I get the impression most PS3 games are BD-25. But I would think to accommodate the movie and the game, they'd need more than 25GB.
jiggawhat
10-25-07, 03:43 PM
Again a personal attack. Why? I have a right to question supposed "articles" I have an interest in Blu-Ray I've said it for a long time and I will continue to say it. I asked a valid question - who are the sources of speculation. This article says nothing about Blu-Ray so I'm not even "bashing" Blu Ray by discussing this article.
What your personal opinion of me is, I don't give a damn. Your constant attacks on me seem like you are attempting me to goad into saying something. I will not. I questioned the article's sources and importance, relevant to Blue-Ray. Other people would agree with me. So please leave me alone and stop attacking me personally.
You are completely overreacting and trying deliberately to cause problems in this thread. Please stop.
Everyone was told three times to stop derailing threads and I guess some people either can't read or just don't want to listen.
chanster
10-25-07, 03:44 PM
Ok, I am not posting anymore about the personal attacks on me, I will let the mods know. thank you
DVD Josh
10-25-07, 03:45 PM
Can you elaborate on what you mean by semantics? Don't like the name 'Blu-ray'? I'm honestly curious and want to hear your thoughts.
The only way to put it without risking a suspension is to say I don't care for the way BD markets itself and the verbage of some of its supporters. I don't find this to be the case in the HD camp (which is not to say it doesn't exist).
But I'm intelligent enough to make my purchasing decisions on my own and not based on what marketing gurus try to sell me.
DVD Josh
10-25-07, 03:47 PM
I agree with everything you said but the bold section states my exact feelings. Some people on here act as if they stand to gain monetarily if one format or the other wins out. We are all just pawns in the big money making game that is digital movies and yet some people have failed to realize this. I enjoy movies so therefore I will buy the movies on whichever format they are released. When they go dual I weigh the pros and cons of that particular release on each format before I purchase a copy. My preference is in Blu-Ray as I have two players, but it would not bother me one bit to see both of these sytems ride it out until the next format is introduced to the world. I appreciate your contributions to these threads and look forward to having more productive conversations with you in the future.
Awesome DSA!! Glad I met another member with the same opinions about the formats. It's all happiness and rainbows from here on out :D
jiggawhat
10-25-07, 03:49 PM
Has anyone seen any early reviews of the HD Hard Boiled that's on the PS3 version of Stranglehold?
Jim
10-25-07, 03:50 PM
DVD Josh, thanks for the clarification. I thought you meant something else.
bunkaroo
10-25-07, 03:51 PM
Has anyone seen any early reviews of the HD Hard Boiled that's on the PS3 version of Stranglehold?
Umm, can you please get back on topic of arguing semantics?
TIA.....
:D
jiggawhat
10-25-07, 03:53 PM
Umm, can you please get back on topic of arguing semantics?
TIA.....
:D
MODS!!! THREAD DERAILER!!!!!
;)
namja
10-25-07, 04:15 PM
Summary of the last 2.5 pages, in my view:
1. The price comparisons of the cheapest players. Somewhat valid. I'd rather not have that discussion here since it's not exactly Blu-ray news, but it did stem from an article about BD.
2. The pro-B article post about the article on Weinstein. It is only somewhat related to BD. Pure speculation and probably a SPIN article written by a Blu-ray fan. Even in the High Def Digest site, that article is in the Main news section and not under Blu-ray news section. I'd rather not see so many speculation articles, especially ones without much merit.
3. chanster. With regards to the Weistein speculation article, chanster has every right to question it. It may be annoying to some, but it is a legitimate question. On the other hand, chanster, posting something like "sticking out like a sore thumb" about you doesn't exactly constitute a personal attack. If you're that sensitive to comments by others, then you really need to take a few steps back.
Too many of you are taking all of this way too personally. As dsa_shea wrote, "Some people on here act as if they stand to gain monetarily if one format or the other wins out." I'll take it one step further and say that some of you act as though you are Blu-ray (or HD DVD), and that any attack on Blu-ray (or HD DVD) is a personal attack on you.
I said this 18 months ago (use search) and I'll say this again: Neither format is going away anytime soon. You don't need to embrace both formats, but you really need to learn to tolerate both formats.
namja
Moderator, DVD Talk Forums
Suprmallet
10-25-07, 04:28 PM
To expand upon what namja said, certain members here could do well to remember that just because something positive is posted about one format, does not mean that it is a slight on the other format. It is obvious that many posters here support one format more than the other, even if they own both. It may irk these people to see positive posts about the format to which they are opposed, or negative posts about the format which they like. That does not mean they have to respond to those posts. There is at times a fine line between reasoned discussion and outright bickering, but if we can remain civil, things should stay firmly in a position that is amenable to everyone.
We shouldn't have to have mod interventions every two pages. This forum is not intended to be anti-HD or anti-BD. We support both and we support them equally. The consumers will determine which format, if either, eventually wins. Posts in threads here will not. So let's all take a step back and remember why we are here: To enjoy movies in the highest quality we can get.
Harry Lime
10-25-07, 08:54 PM
Wonderful News....
MGM Unveils Specs for 'Rescue Dawn' Blu-ray
Thu Oct 25, 2007 at 03:02 PM ET
In a rare show of support for high-def supplemental content, MGM will bring 'Rescue Dawn' to Blu-ray this November as a fully-loaded, BD-Java enhanced special edition.
As we've previously reported, MGM first announced 'Rescue Dawn' for Blu-ray release last month, earmarking a November 20 street date (day-and-date with the standard DVD) but offering no hints at any supplemental features.
The studio has now unveiled full specs for the title, and in a welcome contrast to the vast majority of the studios earlier, bare-bones high-def releases, 'Rescue Dawn' will come packed with goodies.
Among the extensive supplements shared between the Blu-ray and standard-def DVD versions is audio commentary with director Werner Herzog, a five-part "The Making of a True Story" documentary, a trio of deleted scenes (with optional commentary), and a still gallery.
Exclusive to the Blu-ray will be five additional deleted scenes (also with optional commentary), a "Before the Dawn: Mission Secrets" subtitle trivia track, and a "Honoring the Brave" interactive memorial.
Tech specs for the BD-50 dual-ayer release include 1080p/AVC MPEG-4 video and a DTS-HD Lossless Master Audio 5.1 Surround track at 48kHz/24-bit.
Suggested retail price is $39.98, as previously announced.
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