Is child exploitation legal in CBS' 'Kid Nation'? (minor spoilers)
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The Official 2007-2008 'Kid Nation' Thread
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...-entertainment
This just shows how pampered a society we have become. These people are complaining about something that was part of a normal kids life 150 years ago.
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CBS faces barrage of questions on a reality show about children fending for themselves.
By Maria Elena Fernandez, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
August 17, 2007
Just when Americans thought they had seen it all when it comes to reality television, CBS, the oldest-skewing network, has come up with a humdinger: "Kid Nation."
For 40 days in April and May, CBS sent 40 children, ages 8 to 15, to a former ghost town in New Mexico to build a society from scratch. With no access to their parents, not even by telephone, the children set up their own government, laws and society in front of reality television cameras. The goal, according to creator Tom Forman ("Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" and "Armed and Famous"), was for "kids to succeed where adults have failed."
But CBS, the network that got the reality ball rolling in 2000 with "Survivor," had more in mind when it decided to run this social experiment of sorts. Recognizing that ratings are not enough in the age of rabid Internet fans, President of Entertainment Nina Tassler had been craving water-cooler buzz for her network for a couple of seasons.
So CBS Executive Vice President of Alternative Programming Ghen Maynard attempted to "wake up the attention" of children with a program that allowed them to "identify with people of their own age," he said in an interview. "I thought it could be a way to try to get some attention on a broadcast level for a new kind of show, one that really put young kids to the test."
Attention has not been a problem for "Kid Nation." Even though the show premieres on Sept. 19 and no one has seen more than a four-minute trailer running on television and the Web, it stands as the most controversial show of the fall season. On July 16, Television Week revealed that sources in the New Mexico Department of Labor claimed the children worked as many as 14 hours a day and were taken advantage of because of statutes on the books that protected theatrical and film productions from child labor restrictions.
That same week, CBS kept the children and parents away from the media during a tense news conference in which TV critics grilled Forman and the show's host about the legal, moral and ethical issues arising from their unconventional production. Of the 40 children, 12 are 10 or younger and only one is 15. Eighteen of the participants are girls.
"Who is ultimately responsible here, the network that dangles the $20,000 prize in front of these parents or the parents who have allowed or encouraged their children to move forward with this situation?" asked Matthew Smith, chairman of the Department of Communication at Wittenberg University in Ohio and editor of "Survivor Lessons: Essays on Communication and Reality Television." "Obviously, the situation wouldn't exist if CBS didn't say, 'Come, but don't bring your parents.' But also, the parents, after I'm assuming reading lengthy legal documentation from CBS, still went through with it and said, "Go on ahead. I think little Suzie or Johnny can be fine for a period of 40 days without me.' Even when I say that aloud my eyebrows start to do funny things."
CBS' stance is that the children were not employees of the network. Forman, a 34-year-old father of two, likens the experience to "going to summer camp" and says the children, like all reality show stars, "were not working; they were participating" and set their own hours. None was eliminated, and all were free to leave at any time. (In fact, a few did. A request to interview those participants was denied by CBS because of the potential for spoiling story lines.)
During telephone interviews this week with four of the children after CBS announced the cast, the "pioneers" revealed they awoke about 6 a.m. to a bell on top of a hill and decided on their own when to turn in for the day. In the evenings, after cooking sometimes for "3 1/2 hours or something" on a wood-burning stove, the children relaxed in each other's bunk rooms or threw parties at the town saloon, where they could buy root beer.
"To say that these kids aren't working is absurd," said Mark Andrejevic, associate professor of communication studies at the University of Iowa and author of "Reality TV: The Work of Being Watched." "This is a smooth move that reality television has been able to make, and I think the only reason they get away with it is that they're trading on a history of documentary filmmaking. But work means submitting to conditions that are set by employers in order to generate profit for those employers. To me, the only reason you can say that kids are not working is because they're not getting paid or are underpaid. In any other industry, this would be called exploitation."
The children were paid a $5,000 stipend each, and some received other financial rewards for challenges, but parents interviewed this week said they had no knowledge there was the potential to earn $20,000 gold stars until the children returned. Producers had mentioned hypothetically during the interviews that the children might win products, such as iPods or computers.
"I didn't even ask that," said Peggy, the mother of 12-year-old Laurel of Boston. (CBS, which arranged the interviews, would not release the parents' last names to protect the privacy of the children.) "I don't think that she or I feel that she worked any of the time she was there. For her, it was just her normal everyday. She feels like it was summer camp. And I guess that would be a summer camp with cameras. This was a fun adventure for her."
In the last month, critics have also lambasted the parents, especially those with very young children, for allowing them to take part. But the parents interviewed said part of the reason they felt their children would be safe is that even though the show's trailers claim there were no adults in Bonanza City, there were plenty. In addition to the production staff, physicians, psychologists, animal wranglers and wildlife experts were always on hand.
"Any kind of television experience is fraught with potential rewards and detriments," Smith said. "When a parent sends a child into this situation, there's a good chance that it could help the child build self-confidence, build social skills and build a network. But you don't know that going in, because it could be that your child suffers the detriments. It could suggest deficiencies that they have. They could regret the appearance and they could regret the fame."
Forman says he thinks the criticism is "reasonable," considering no one has seen any actual footage. The mothers of three of the children gave their resounding support for the producers and network this week during interviews.
"First of all, I don't think that you can make a judgment about something that you haven't seen," said Suzanne, the mother of 10-year-old Zachary of Miami Beach. "And I know that Zachary came home a stronger, more confident and more self-reliant child. So for me the proof is in the pudding."
Forman auditioned thousands of children across the country before settling on 60 to be interviewed in Los Angeles with their parents. Producers held open casting calls but also searched the country for high-achieving types, including winners of spelling bees and beauty pageants, presidents of student government, 4H Club leaders and Honor Society students.
The four children interviewed by The Times said they had to rough it without electricity or running water, sleep on bed rolls on the floor, cook their own meals, clean the town, run businesses, survive on three changes of clothes and set up their own hours and rules. Although three of them said they worked harder than they ever had in their lives, all four said the most challenging aspect was getting used to being filmed constantly.
"When I heard about the idea in L.A., I thought it was great until I got there and there were cameras with me every minute of the day, and it got a little annoying at times," said Greg, 15, who was recruited by CBS through his involvement with the Reno Rodeo Assn. "After a while, you got used to it. You know? You'd go to the outhouse and they'd wait for you outside and film you coming out."
Seven weeks before the show airs and the network president learns if "Kid Nation" is the "next big reality hit," as she's been touting, CBS began casting a second season "to get ahead of the curve," Maynard said.
"Fame is a powerful ruler," Smith said. "There's a societal structure that we've built, in part thanks to television, that says this is the thing you want, desire and aim for. That's a powerful lure for individuals in our society."
Of the kids The Times spoke with, two have performed in musical theater and said they would like to pursue acting, among other careers, such as writing and flying airplanes. The other two had never seen a reality television program and were approached by the network to participate. All four said they would happily spend another 40 days in "Kid Nation." The toughest part about living on "Kid Nation," even worse than cleaning outhouses, the four children agreed, was leaving Bonanza City and one another.
But, then again, they haven't seen themselves on TV yet.
maria.elena.fernandez @latimes.com
-- Maria Elena Fernandez
By Maria Elena Fernandez, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
August 17, 2007
Just when Americans thought they had seen it all when it comes to reality television, CBS, the oldest-skewing network, has come up with a humdinger: "Kid Nation."
For 40 days in April and May, CBS sent 40 children, ages 8 to 15, to a former ghost town in New Mexico to build a society from scratch. With no access to their parents, not even by telephone, the children set up their own government, laws and society in front of reality television cameras. The goal, according to creator Tom Forman ("Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" and "Armed and Famous"), was for "kids to succeed where adults have failed."
But CBS, the network that got the reality ball rolling in 2000 with "Survivor," had more in mind when it decided to run this social experiment of sorts. Recognizing that ratings are not enough in the age of rabid Internet fans, President of Entertainment Nina Tassler had been craving water-cooler buzz for her network for a couple of seasons.
So CBS Executive Vice President of Alternative Programming Ghen Maynard attempted to "wake up the attention" of children with a program that allowed them to "identify with people of their own age," he said in an interview. "I thought it could be a way to try to get some attention on a broadcast level for a new kind of show, one that really put young kids to the test."
Attention has not been a problem for "Kid Nation." Even though the show premieres on Sept. 19 and no one has seen more than a four-minute trailer running on television and the Web, it stands as the most controversial show of the fall season. On July 16, Television Week revealed that sources in the New Mexico Department of Labor claimed the children worked as many as 14 hours a day and were taken advantage of because of statutes on the books that protected theatrical and film productions from child labor restrictions.
That same week, CBS kept the children and parents away from the media during a tense news conference in which TV critics grilled Forman and the show's host about the legal, moral and ethical issues arising from their unconventional production. Of the 40 children, 12 are 10 or younger and only one is 15. Eighteen of the participants are girls.
"Who is ultimately responsible here, the network that dangles the $20,000 prize in front of these parents or the parents who have allowed or encouraged their children to move forward with this situation?" asked Matthew Smith, chairman of the Department of Communication at Wittenberg University in Ohio and editor of "Survivor Lessons: Essays on Communication and Reality Television." "Obviously, the situation wouldn't exist if CBS didn't say, 'Come, but don't bring your parents.' But also, the parents, after I'm assuming reading lengthy legal documentation from CBS, still went through with it and said, "Go on ahead. I think little Suzie or Johnny can be fine for a period of 40 days without me.' Even when I say that aloud my eyebrows start to do funny things."
CBS' stance is that the children were not employees of the network. Forman, a 34-year-old father of two, likens the experience to "going to summer camp" and says the children, like all reality show stars, "were not working; they were participating" and set their own hours. None was eliminated, and all were free to leave at any time. (In fact, a few did. A request to interview those participants was denied by CBS because of the potential for spoiling story lines.)
During telephone interviews this week with four of the children after CBS announced the cast, the "pioneers" revealed they awoke about 6 a.m. to a bell on top of a hill and decided on their own when to turn in for the day. In the evenings, after cooking sometimes for "3 1/2 hours or something" on a wood-burning stove, the children relaxed in each other's bunk rooms or threw parties at the town saloon, where they could buy root beer.
"To say that these kids aren't working is absurd," said Mark Andrejevic, associate professor of communication studies at the University of Iowa and author of "Reality TV: The Work of Being Watched." "This is a smooth move that reality television has been able to make, and I think the only reason they get away with it is that they're trading on a history of documentary filmmaking. But work means submitting to conditions that are set by employers in order to generate profit for those employers. To me, the only reason you can say that kids are not working is because they're not getting paid or are underpaid. In any other industry, this would be called exploitation."
The children were paid a $5,000 stipend each, and some received other financial rewards for challenges, but parents interviewed this week said they had no knowledge there was the potential to earn $20,000 gold stars until the children returned. Producers had mentioned hypothetically during the interviews that the children might win products, such as iPods or computers.
"I didn't even ask that," said Peggy, the mother of 12-year-old Laurel of Boston. (CBS, which arranged the interviews, would not release the parents' last names to protect the privacy of the children.) "I don't think that she or I feel that she worked any of the time she was there. For her, it was just her normal everyday. She feels like it was summer camp. And I guess that would be a summer camp with cameras. This was a fun adventure for her."
In the last month, critics have also lambasted the parents, especially those with very young children, for allowing them to take part. But the parents interviewed said part of the reason they felt their children would be safe is that even though the show's trailers claim there were no adults in Bonanza City, there were plenty. In addition to the production staff, physicians, psychologists, animal wranglers and wildlife experts were always on hand.
"Any kind of television experience is fraught with potential rewards and detriments," Smith said. "When a parent sends a child into this situation, there's a good chance that it could help the child build self-confidence, build social skills and build a network. But you don't know that going in, because it could be that your child suffers the detriments. It could suggest deficiencies that they have. They could regret the appearance and they could regret the fame."
Forman says he thinks the criticism is "reasonable," considering no one has seen any actual footage. The mothers of three of the children gave their resounding support for the producers and network this week during interviews.
"First of all, I don't think that you can make a judgment about something that you haven't seen," said Suzanne, the mother of 10-year-old Zachary of Miami Beach. "And I know that Zachary came home a stronger, more confident and more self-reliant child. So for me the proof is in the pudding."
Forman auditioned thousands of children across the country before settling on 60 to be interviewed in Los Angeles with their parents. Producers held open casting calls but also searched the country for high-achieving types, including winners of spelling bees and beauty pageants, presidents of student government, 4H Club leaders and Honor Society students.
The four children interviewed by The Times said they had to rough it without electricity or running water, sleep on bed rolls on the floor, cook their own meals, clean the town, run businesses, survive on three changes of clothes and set up their own hours and rules. Although three of them said they worked harder than they ever had in their lives, all four said the most challenging aspect was getting used to being filmed constantly.
"When I heard about the idea in L.A., I thought it was great until I got there and there were cameras with me every minute of the day, and it got a little annoying at times," said Greg, 15, who was recruited by CBS through his involvement with the Reno Rodeo Assn. "After a while, you got used to it. You know? You'd go to the outhouse and they'd wait for you outside and film you coming out."
Spoiler:
Seven weeks before the show airs and the network president learns if "Kid Nation" is the "next big reality hit," as she's been touting, CBS began casting a second season "to get ahead of the curve," Maynard said.
"Fame is a powerful ruler," Smith said. "There's a societal structure that we've built, in part thanks to television, that says this is the thing you want, desire and aim for. That's a powerful lure for individuals in our society."
Of the kids The Times spoke with, two have performed in musical theater and said they would like to pursue acting, among other careers, such as writing and flying airplanes. The other two had never seen a reality television program and were approached by the network to participate. All four said they would happily spend another 40 days in "Kid Nation." The toughest part about living on "Kid Nation," even worse than cleaning outhouses, the four children agreed, was leaving Bonanza City and one another.
But, then again, they haven't seen themselves on TV yet.
maria.elena.fernandez @latimes.com
Spoiler:
-- Maria Elena Fernandez
Chris
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Originally Posted by mrpayroll
This just shows how pampered a society we have become. These people are complaining about something that was part of a normal kids life 150 years ago.
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The show is a joke. Obviously, there are plenty of adults around with the crew, etc. The article confirms this. So basically it's a summer camp, not a "lord of the flies" type situation.
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This was sooooooo f'n predictable. Create a "controversy", gullible idiots tune in to find out what the big deal is = ratings!!!
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Has anyone seen the previews for this show? It looks soooo scripted. The dialogue amongst the kids is obviously scripted. I think this may be one of the worst reality ideas CBS has ever created.
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This was the punch line on one of the Candid Camera type shows a few years ago. The kids were going to be sent to a desert island to fend for themselves. Not surprisingly, many parents fell for it and wanted their children involved.
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I hate reality shows so I won’t be watching, but society has turned into a whiny, hugs & kisses, everything will be alright place.
I think people complain about television, movies, music & video games because they don’t understand it & since they don’t understand it, they want it gone.
Those people, who say Video Games are killing our children’s brains, just need a punch in the face. Video Games help develop hand-eye coadunation & it actually benefits them, it doesn’t turn everyone into serial killers.
This is the same situation with television. A lot of parents [*cough*] suburban housewives [*cough*] call the TV the ‘idiot box’ but it really isn’t. Of course this is the same people who sit around all day & call taking care of their children “work”.
I think people complain about television, movies, music & video games because they don’t understand it & since they don’t understand it, they want it gone.
Those people, who say Video Games are killing our children’s brains, just need a punch in the face. Video Games help develop hand-eye coadunation & it actually benefits them, it doesn’t turn everyone into serial killers.
This is the same situation with television. A lot of parents [*cough*] suburban housewives [*cough*] call the TV the ‘idiot box’ but it really isn’t. Of course this is the same people who sit around all day & call taking care of their children “work”.
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I think they should have all the cameras be controlled by remote. Then we could really see a live reenactment of lord of the flys. but alas I feel that this show is going to be pretty much scripted and boring.
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Originally Posted by Shilex
I hate watching any show with kids in them, because kids are idiots. I think Youtube is proof of that.
Some kids are alright. It’s mostly those teenagers that are the real idiots.
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http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...-entertainment
And here's another opinion about the show.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...track=ntothtml
That penalty is stupid. The parents couldn't even begin to pay that amount and if it bankrupts them, then what is accomplished by it?
Chris
'Kid Nation's' current reality: investigations
The CBS reality show might go down in history as the first to be investigated by all kinds of authority figures before it even airs.
By Maria Elena Fernandez, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
August 26, 2007
Whether "Kid Nation" becomes the next big reality hit, as CBS hopes, remains to be seen. But it looks as though it might go down in history as the first reality show to be investigated by all kinds of authority figures before it even airs.
On Friday, the American Federation of Television and Radio Artists announced that it was investigating reports that allege abuse of children on "Kid Nation," which premieres Sept. 19.
The announcement follows a week of heavy media scrutiny of an unprecedented reality show in which 40 kids, ages 8 to 15, were placed in the New Mexico desert to build a town and society without contact with their parents. The mother of a 12-year-old Georgia girl who was burned in the face with grease while cooking filed a complaint accusing the production of abuse and neglect, which in part has prompted the New Mexico attorney general to launch an investigation into whether CBS and Good TV Inc. violated labor laws during the April and May filming of the show.
CBS issued a statement last week in support of its show and production.
"We stand by the procedures we had in place and the response to all the minor injuries," the statement said. "We will therefore not accept irresponsible allegations or any attempts to misrepresent and exaggerate events or spread false claims about what happened."
AFTRA covers the host and announcer of "Kid Nation," but the organization is now reviewing the contract between the children and the production. Show creator Tom Forman said all of the children would receive a $5,000 "stipend" for "participating" in the program, and some of the children won $20,000 prizes. The stipend does not constitute a "wage," say CBS lawyers, because the children were not paid for specific work or tasks.
"We're looking to see exactly what agreements there were between the children and the production and the exact nature of the performance," said AFTRA spokesman John Hinrichs. "We need to more fully determine whether they are amateur contestants that are exempt from the terms of the agreement."
In a press release, AFTRA National Executive Director Kim Roberts Hedgpeth said that AFTRA would take "all legal and moral steps available to protect the rights of the performers and children on this program."
"We are concerned about reports of abuse arising from 'Kid Nation,' which was produced under the AFTRA National Code of Fair Practices for Network Television Broadcasting," she said. "Under this agreement, the host, announcer, reporters and other professional performers on reality and contest programming are specifically covered by the terms of the Network Code, while the amateur contestants are generally not."
Among the issues the attorney general will review will be the production's permit process, the 22-page contract between parents and the producers, and whether the production company illegally refused to allow inspectors onto the property for routine inspections.
maria.elena.fernandez@latimes .com
The CBS reality show might go down in history as the first to be investigated by all kinds of authority figures before it even airs.
By Maria Elena Fernandez, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
August 26, 2007
Whether "Kid Nation" becomes the next big reality hit, as CBS hopes, remains to be seen. But it looks as though it might go down in history as the first reality show to be investigated by all kinds of authority figures before it even airs.
On Friday, the American Federation of Television and Radio Artists announced that it was investigating reports that allege abuse of children on "Kid Nation," which premieres Sept. 19.
The announcement follows a week of heavy media scrutiny of an unprecedented reality show in which 40 kids, ages 8 to 15, were placed in the New Mexico desert to build a town and society without contact with their parents. The mother of a 12-year-old Georgia girl who was burned in the face with grease while cooking filed a complaint accusing the production of abuse and neglect, which in part has prompted the New Mexico attorney general to launch an investigation into whether CBS and Good TV Inc. violated labor laws during the April and May filming of the show.
CBS issued a statement last week in support of its show and production.
"We stand by the procedures we had in place and the response to all the minor injuries," the statement said. "We will therefore not accept irresponsible allegations or any attempts to misrepresent and exaggerate events or spread false claims about what happened."
AFTRA covers the host and announcer of "Kid Nation," but the organization is now reviewing the contract between the children and the production. Show creator Tom Forman said all of the children would receive a $5,000 "stipend" for "participating" in the program, and some of the children won $20,000 prizes. The stipend does not constitute a "wage," say CBS lawyers, because the children were not paid for specific work or tasks.
"We're looking to see exactly what agreements there were between the children and the production and the exact nature of the performance," said AFTRA spokesman John Hinrichs. "We need to more fully determine whether they are amateur contestants that are exempt from the terms of the agreement."
In a press release, AFTRA National Executive Director Kim Roberts Hedgpeth said that AFTRA would take "all legal and moral steps available to protect the rights of the performers and children on this program."
"We are concerned about reports of abuse arising from 'Kid Nation,' which was produced under the AFTRA National Code of Fair Practices for Network Television Broadcasting," she said. "Under this agreement, the host, announcer, reporters and other professional performers on reality and contest programming are specifically covered by the terms of the Network Code, while the amateur contestants are generally not."
Among the issues the attorney general will review will be the production's permit process, the 22-page contract between parents and the producers, and whether the production company illegally refused to allow inspectors onto the property for routine inspections.
maria.elena.fernandez@latimes .com
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...track=ntothtml
Certainly not the parents, who signed away their rights to speak publicly about "Kid Nation" without CBS' permission and face a $5-million penalty if they disobey.
That penalty is stupid. The parents couldn't even begin to pay that amount and if it bankrupts them, then what is accomplished by it?
Chris
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Originally Posted by nateman241
Those people, who say Video Games are killing our children’s brains, just need a punch in the face. Video Games help develop hand-eye coadunation & it actually benefits them, it doesn’t turn everyone into serial killers.
This is the same situation with television. A lot of parents [*cough*] suburban housewives [*cough*] call the TV the ‘idiot box’ but it really isn’t. Of course this is the same people who sit around all day & call taking care of their children “work”.
This is the same situation with television. A lot of parents [*cough*] suburban housewives [*cough*] call the TV the ‘idiot box’ but it really isn’t. Of course this is the same people who sit around all day & call taking care of their children “work”.
And taking care of the kids/house isn't work? Are all housewives just lazy? And if they were, wouldn't they have a better understanding of television due to laying around sitting in front of it all day?
Sorry to go off-topic. I won't be watching, and I have my doubts that this will be a big hit... not sure what demographic they'll be going after.
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Originally Posted by fujishig
They disagree with you so they need a punch in the face? Not doing much to hold up your theory that videogames don't turn people more violent. I don't subscribe to the theory that they turn people into killers, but I also won't go so far as to say they're useful for hand eye "coadunation" or anything... they're a hobby, a diversion, something fun to do. Kids would most likely benefit much more from going outside and playing some sports. Or learning to fend for themselves on a reality show.
And taking care of the kids/house isn't work? Are all housewives just lazy? And if they were, wouldn't they have a better understanding of television due to laying around sitting in front of it all day?
Sorry to go off-topic. I won't be watching, and I have my doubts that this will be a big hit... not sure what demographic they'll be going after.
And taking care of the kids/house isn't work? Are all housewives just lazy? And if they were, wouldn't they have a better understanding of television due to laying around sitting in front of it all day?
Sorry to go off-topic. I won't be watching, and I have my doubts that this will be a big hit... not sure what demographic they'll be going after.
With someone in a wheelchair, they don’t always want to go outside & it would be no fun for them & Video Games help the physically challenged with ‘hand-eye’ coadunation, that’s the view I’m looking at it from. I apologize for misstating my comment. I have a friend who is physically challenged & it’s kind of hard for him to go outside & have fun. With Video Games he can improve his ‘hand-eye’ coadunation.
With the Housewives I again, apologize, you see I don’t like those Housewives that whine & bitch about how hard it is too take care of their children, when that’s all they do. They don’t have a job. In my opinion, taking care of you’re kids shouldn’t be considered ‘Work’. A lot of Housewives, from my view, watch mostly reality TV so in a way you make a valid point.
I’m not going to be watching either but I also wonder what demographic they are trying to capture. I don’t think many kids would be watching it, Primetime shouldn’t be for the children, it’s for us old folks.
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Originally Posted by fujishig
They disagree with you so they need a punch in the face? Not doing much to hold up your theory that videogames don't turn people more violent. I don't subscribe to the theory that they turn people into killers, but I also won't go so far as to say they're useful for hand eye "coadunation" or anything... they're a hobby, a diversion, something fun to do. Kids would most likely benefit much more from going outside and playing some sports. Or learning to fend for themselves on a reality show.
And taking care of the kids/house isn't work? Are all housewives just lazy? And if they were, wouldn't they have a better understanding of television due to laying around sitting in front of it all day?
Sorry to go off-topic. I won't be watching, and I have my doubts that this will be a big hit... not sure what demographic they'll be going after.
And taking care of the kids/house isn't work? Are all housewives just lazy? And if they were, wouldn't they have a better understanding of television due to laying around sitting in front of it all day?
Sorry to go off-topic. I won't be watching, and I have my doubts that this will be a big hit... not sure what demographic they'll be going after.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4685909/
That isn't to say kids shouldn't spend time outside or play sports or whatever. But video games belong in the mix and have positive aspects.