Hockey: NHL 08 or NHL 2K8?

[Thor Simpson]

Since I'll be new to the 360 next month, I haven't kept up on these two franchises the past couple years. I was a huge EA hockey fan back in the day but it's been a good 5 years (and clearly a lot can change in that time).

I watched the vids of EA's NH 08 and the physics checking and graphics look amazing. I'm not sure the movies of 2K8 I saw were as exciting but they were just trailers. Most important of course is gameplay.

What are everyone's thoughts on these two franchises?

[aktick]

Since I'll be new to the 360 next month, I haven't kept up on these two franchises the past couple years. I was a huge EA hockey fan back in the day but it's been a good 5 years (and clearly a lot can change in that time).

I watched the vids of EA's NH 08 and the physics checking and graphics look amazing. I'm not sure the movies of 2K8 I saw were as exciting but they were just trailers. Most important of course is gameplay.

What are everyone's thoughts on these two franchises?
I got 2k7 last year, had NHL 06 the year before. In comparing the 2, 2k7 was much more realistic, and had a lot more adjustable settings. I like a realistic experience - 4-3, 3-2 type games with about 30 shots. For me 2k7 allowed for this while NHL 06 didn't.

It sounds like EA has made some good strides with their game though, and 2k hasn't changed much...so I'll wait until the reviews are out before deciding if I'll get either this year.

[DJ_Longfellow]

EA has the "Total Control" now where the right thumbstick basically controls EVERYTHING. pull back and release, it will shoot...things like that. It tried to eliminate the face buttons. I thought the concept was neat....although, I only rented it.

[aktick]

EA has the "Total Control" now where the right thumbstick basically controls EVERYTHING. pull back and release, it will shoot...things like that. It tried to eliminate the face buttons. I thought the concept was neat....although, I only rented it.
So when shooting, how does it know whether you want to take a wrist, snap, slap, or backhand shot? Do the other buttons still serve as "modifiers" of sorts?

How about online play? I never played 2k7 online, and have never really played any hockey games online in the past 5 years or so. Do they have online franchises? I'd really like to have a good online league, even if it's only 4 or 5 real player controlled teams. It'd make the wheeling and dealing aspects much more fun.

[Decadance]

So when shooting, how does it know whether you want to take a wrist, snap, slap, or backhand shot? Do the other buttons still serve as "modifiers" of sorts?



Wrist shot was pull back press forward, snap was thrust forward, slap shot was pull back, hold it for power, thrust forward.

The left analogue was used to aim.

[nickdawgy]

NHL 07 was alot of fun but barebones compared to NHL 2k7. The only reason to get NHL 07 was the skill stick feature. I had both, I only still have 2k7.

I'll also wait for reviews before I make a choice.

[Mikael79]

I always have fun with EA's hockey, but the hockey purist in me keeps me coming back to 2Ks version. I usually rent EAs and buy 2Ks.

[aktick]

Reading up on these 2 games, trying to figure out if either will offer online franchises. NHL 08 has online LEAGUES, but not franchises.

Did see this about 2K8 though:

Deeper Franchise - THE DEEPEST franchise mode in the business, now complete with realistic CBA features such as waivers, two-way contracts, restricted and unrestricted free agents, and salary cap management.
Nothing about online, but I love the possibilities, I hope they implement the above the way they should be. Would really add a lot of depth to the management aspect of the game - which I already spend way too much time on with 2K7. :lol:

Igor Larionov - http://www.1up.com/do/my1Up?publicUserId=5879095 rotfl

[nickdawgy]

Sounds like 2k got even better with the salary cap features that it's rival had last year.

[alfonsosoriano]

EA's game looks absolutely fantastic this year as far as gameplay goes. I hope they improve the franchise mode though. It also has the AHL teams as a playable aspect so that's a huge selling point for me as I'm a HUGE fan of the Hartford Wolfpack.

[astrochimp]

EA's game looks absolutely fantastic this year as far as gameplay goes. I hope they improve the franchise mode though. It also has the AHL teams as a playable aspect so that's a huge selling point for me as I'm a HUGE fan of the Hartford Wolfpack.

Wow! Didnt know that.That puts EA ahead for me since i can play as the 2007 Calder Cup Champs the Hamilton Bulldogs :)

[lordzeppelin]

I've been a 2k fan since 2k1 on the Dreamcast, and I loved NHL2k6...but for '07, I went with EA. The Skill Stick is just BADASS. I love the control that it let you have to deke and drag around players trying to stand you up entering the zone...that said, NHL '07 was a bit short on options, and I thought the AI was slightly cheap. You could tell when the computer was going to score, because it was damn near impossible to get the puck off of them. However, the off-season in franchise mode was laughable - there was never any way to sign free agents - every team resigned people. And the computer trades were fucking laughable. Not that 2k7 was much better in that regard though.
2k7 was fun, I definitely enjoyed it, but the 'next-gen' feel just wasn't there last year. Which leaves me wondering where to plunk my $60 down this year. I'll probably end up buying both...

[Mr. Cinema]

I usually get the 2K series.

[The Bus]

I just want NHL '96 on the Wii. Hockey games stopped being fun after they went 3D. Or maybe NHL 97 was just so abysmal.

[movieking]

I had 2K6 and NHL'07. If I was to get another one this year, I'd probably go with 2K8. I found that there was too much of a learning curve with '07, and there was a number of times when I couldn't get the controls to work properly for me. I'd be on a breakaway, and I wouldn't be able to get the player to actually shoot on the net. It was a lesson in frustration. The 2K series is pretty easy to play, but it is less packed than '07, at least in my opinion.

[dvd182]

I found that there was too much of a learning curve with '07, and there was a number of times when I couldn't get the controls to work properly for me. I'd be on a breakaway, and I wouldn't be able to get the player to actually shoot on the net. It was a lesson in frustration.

This was my problem with EA's game last year, too. I think the idea of total control worked great in theory, but I could never consistently pull off what I wanted to. I think I might skip them both this year and hope one really tries to outdo the other in '09.

[aktick]

More on 2K8's franchise mode - http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/812/812821p1.html

Sounds pretty cool, but it sounds like other than the salary stuff and contract negotiations, not much has changed. If it has, they didn't mention it.

I checked the salaries for the Hawk players shown there, and they are the actual salaries, so that's neat.

Of course no mention of online at all. :(

[Zwerchfell]

I'm going for NHL 08, it will be great.

[Thor Simpson]

They both look fantastic to me from what I have seen. I'm looking forward to some reviews. Control and gameplay are obviously the most important points.

From the videos I've seen, EA definitely has the edge on cool checking physics and graphical smoothness, which is a plus. It will definitely be interesting to hear how the new versions of these games compare to last year control-wise.

[Thor Simpson]

I tried the xbox live demos of both... unfortunately you can only do a shootout in EA's version but in 2k8 you can play quite a bit.

Graphically, EA certainly seems to have an edge but it's hard to judge the gameplay based on the demos. 2k8 played well but I'm not sure how the overall presentation will compare. I really want to see reviews of these games. Wonder when those copies will go out to reviewers...

[flashburn]

I tried the xbox live demos of both... unfortunately you can only do a shootout in EA's version but in 2k8 you can play quite a bit.

Graphically, EA certainly seems to have an edge but it's hard to judge the gameplay based on the demos. 2k8 played well but I'm not sure how the overall presentation will compare. I really want to see reviews of these games. Wonder when those copies will go out to reviewers...
I don't have my Xbox back yet, but I am pretty sure you played the 2007 versions and not 2008. I haven't read that they have put up demos for the new ones yet.

[aktick]

I don't have my Xbox back yet, but I am pretty sure you played the 2007 versions and not 2008. I haven't read that they have put up demos for the new ones yet.
Yeah I just checked, new ones aren't up yet. Probably be a week or so yet.

[Thor Simpson]

Yeah I just checked, new ones aren't up yet. Probably be a week or so yet.
:lol:

Great. Stupid me for not looking at the year. Sorry everyone. Just got my xbox 360 going on Live recently and was downloading demos like crazy and was excited when these popped up.

[flashburn]

The NHL 08 demo was just posted on Xbox Live.

[Maxwell Smart]

i played them both, i bought nhl07 last year, on sale for like 30 bucks.

[aktick]

i played them both, i bought nhl07 last year, on sale for like 30 bucks.
Yeah, I got 2k7 for $40 in early November, so they get cheaper quickly.

[flashburn]

Well after playing the NHL 08 demo I highly doubt I will be getting it. It just seems like the exact same game from last year. The only difference I could tell is maybe a slight upgrade in graphics and animations and it is obviously running at 60 fps versus last years 30 fps. I'll wait for the NHL 2k8 demo, but I have a feeling I will be sitting this year out.

Oh, and the goalies still do stupid shit.

[ElementZ]

NHL 08. I think its pretty cool to see all of the AHL teams, create a play and practice mode.

[aktick]

Just played the NHL 08 demo for a bit...having never played NHL 07, the gameplay and controls were a bit of fresh air - animations and player movements were much more realistic than in NHL2k7. But you guys think it's basically the same as 07?

I'll wait and see what the reviews are like for each. I'd love to have an online league, and it sounds like 2k is generally better in that department?

[Thor Simpson]

Looks like this might be a tough call.

So far I've only played the NHL 08 demo and 2K7 and I do have to say that when first picking it up, 2K7 played far more intuitively. Now, obviously I haven't mastered any controls yet and the button layout of 2K7 was more familiar to me from past games. It seems like the EA version might be a lot of fun to control once you master the improved skill stick. The "on the fly AI" aounds sweet in the EA game as well. But 2K7 was more fun to just pick up and play the demo. EA leads in graphics and animation it seems. Man, why can't we just have the best of both worlds? :lol:

I too will wait for the reviews and hopefully the results are the same across the board as to which game plays better.

[Thor Simpson]

How long before release are reviews usually up? I'm itching to get me some hockey ordered. From all the info/vids/previews etc I've gathered It's looking like EA will win me over on this one, mostly because of control issues on 2K8 and the range of improvements to EA's game this year. Man I wish they would get a 2K8 demo out on Live. I'd hate to pass it up before trying it.

[DJ_Longfellow]

I'm loving the NHL 08 demo....played a bunch now. I really didn't like last years for some reason, but this seems better...not sure what changed, but the graphics seem pretty darn nice also.

I may eventually get NHL 08.....I'm sure 2K8 will have a demo. What is the control issue with 2K8?

[flashburn]

One thing I just can't get the hang of is checking in the '08 version. I can never connect for some reason. Other than that and the fact that it now runs at 60fps, I don't really see much of a difference from last years.

[aktick]

One thing I just can't get the hang of is checking in the '08 version. I can never connect for some reason. Other than that and the fact that it now runs at 60fps, I don't really see much of a difference from last years.
Checking does seem hard, but I think that's sort of the idea. Obviously "real" hockey isn't so much about checking as it is body positioning, and that's the way this seems so far - go for the big hit and miss, and you're screwed...just stay in front of the puck carrier and hold your ground/use your stick, and the odds are in your favor. I'm poke checking a lot...and also dropping down to block shots and getting tripping penalties while doing it way too much.

In reading previews, one area it sounds like EA is way behind (go figure) 2K is online play.

How was the franchise mode in EA's game last year? I liked 2K's, and this year with the salary cap, 2-way contracts, etc., it seems it will be pretty deep.

So without playing EA, it seems like maybe they are once again better on the ice, and 2K has the edge in "extras."

[Thor Simpson]

I may eventually get NHL 08.....I'm sure 2K8 will have a demo. What is the control issue with 2K8?
Well, I've only found one source so far on the new control scheme since 2Ksports is playing with the right analog for stick control now. It doesn't sound good.
http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3162458

The "superstar moves" thing sounds like a mess to me as well.

But I know not to trust any single source so I'm itching to hear more.

Other than that and the fact that it now runs at 60fps, I don't really see much of a difference from last years.
Based on what I've read (I have gone to pretty much every game site out there looking for info on these two games), the "on the fly" AI is pretty sweet in NHL 08 (which may have a bigger impact in season play), the play creator looks fun (though I may not use it if you can't use it on Live), the checking uses much better physics and the skill stick has been much improved in this second iteration.


I think that with either of these games, it's going to take quite a bit of practice to really master the controls and feel the depth that they offer.

I'm sure they will both be great games, but I'm leaning towards EA right now unless I get to play a 2K8 demo or 2K8 comes out with superior reviews. Graphically EA seems way ahead of 2K8 on this one for some reason.

[movieking]

After playing the 08 demo, I'll definitely be passing on it. It seems identical to the one from last year, including the difficulty of shooting. I doubt that I would pick up 2K8, but I might after it drops by about $20 or $30.

[Liver&Onions]

I played the demo period probably 4 times last night - I'm loving it. Once I realized I could deke with the right stick too, the shit hit the fan - especially in the shootout. :)

[flashburn]

Based on what I've read (I have gone to pretty much every game site out there looking for info on these two games), the "on the fly" AI is pretty sweet in NHL 08 (which may have a bigger impact in season play), the play creator looks fun (though I may not use it if you can't use it on Live), the checking uses much better physics and the skill stick has been much improved in this second iteration.


What exactly is "on the fly" AI? Is it simply just that the AI learns the style you play over time?


My main complaint with the checking isn't that I don't hit often, it is that there is just no meaningful impact. I had this complaint last year (as did many), but it seems even worse this year. Hell, half of the time I didn't even hear a sound when hitting someone. I've yet to get a solid hit in, so I don't know if like last year they still only have one "big hit" animation. I'll probably play through that a few more times along with the eventual 2k8 demo and read some reviews before I decide. More than likely I'll just sit this year out.

It does sound like the majority of the people truly loving this one are people who never played '07, because honestly, there just isn't that much different between the two.

[Thor Simpson]

I have not played '07 so you may be correct, but the previews I have read indicate a good number of features that sound beneficial. I don't know if they would be worth an upgrade if I already owned '07, but they are certainly an important factor for me in choosing which game to buy this year.

Here are some movies talking about the <B>On the Fly AI</B> (Official Movie 5) and <B>checking physics /motion</B> (Official Movie 2) this year. Yes, we should all know these videos always make it look better than during gameplay, but these demonstrate the updates fairly well.

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/sports/nhl08/media.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=tabs&tag=tabs;videos

[Thor Simpson]

I've played the EA demo several more times tonight and I'm close to just ordering it. It plays so well and looks fantastic. I've gotten the hang of checking now and can knock guys pretty well (requires some momentum), pin them up against the boards, etc. After a few games it all feels really intuitive and I'm having a great time. I do need to work on the skill stick and have no idea how to deke yet, so I know there is a lot more to explore gameplay-wise. I'd say if there aren't any reviews or demos out by Friday I'm going with NHL 08. It would take a lot from 2K8 to sway me the other way.

[DJ_Longfellow]

I've had some pretty good body checks in this game....even had a hip check where I turned a player over. I think it depends how you move your RS also.

For some reason this seems better than NHL 07, but I only played it briefly last year, so I'm not sure what has changed graphically or gameplay wise.

[Giggles]

I guess I played all EA NHL series starting with 1995 or 96. I immensely liked NHL 2002 and after NHL 2003 came out to be rather poor I stopped at 2002 and have been playing it untill nowdays. Now I found NHL 2005 on the shelf and started playing. Although it's better done and many things improved comparing to the older ones, in many aspects NHL 2002 is still better.

[lordzeppelin]

IMO, NHL 2002 was a sack of shit compared to the 2k series...up until last year, 2k was all up in EA's ass, but the Skill Stick on the EA game is now so good...

I'm reserving judgment for the 2k8 demo, but as others have said, the preliminary word is not good. Looks like I'm back to EA for 08...

One thing that I'm worried about on both games though, is the rating for Ray Emery. The guy is really not as good as he's rated on the 08 demo. I'm sorry, Ottawa's defense makes him better than he is, and on the demo he just stops EVERYTHING you can imagine to throw at him. I've had him routinely stop 3-on-1 breaks in the demo, which boggles my mind, because I'd score on that 7/10 times in last years. Hell, in real life I'm betting it's 7/10 on that type of mismatch. He's just very overrated on the game, as is Alfredsson. And once again, the poke check is too effective, but that's easy to fix with the options slider.

[ElementZ]

I think 08 kicks major ass so far.

EGM gave it some solid reviews. 9.5, 9.0, 9.0

I heard in 2k8, to shoot, you have to hit the Right Bumper plus move the Right Analog stick. That sounds messed up to me.

[Thor Simpson]

15 hours until I order NHL 08 (without seeing a review or demo of 2k8).

The demo has impressed me enough that I know I will be happy with the purchase. Even the very edited / composed "official" videos of 2K8 don't make it look as good as this demo after playing it enough times and getting used to the controls. 2K8 may have a few features that NHL 08 lacks but something tells me it's not going to win me over at this point. Everything I have read points to a lot of improvements in '08 and info on 2k8 is much more lacking. I really wish there was more out there and they should have had a demo in the can weeks ago in the event EA rolled one out as they did.

While I hope the 2K8 team delivers a great game as well, I have my doubts that it will surpass this and NHL 08 is one I already know I will enjoy.

[Thor Simpson]

Well, i went ahead and orderd NHL 08.

These games are both coming out in a matter of days and there are scarcely even any gameplay movies out there of 2K8, much less a demo or review copies. There has been very little news at all the past few months when compared to EA. They are really banking on people who know last year's game it seems. How unfortunate.

Maybe they are nervous about their changes compared to EA's offering, I don't know. :shrug:

Oh well, I've taken my side now I guess. I'll still look for the reviews.

[musick]

forgive me if you mentioned it already but why would you 'order' one or both of the games instead of waiting a few more days for some more reviews/on hands accounts and then pick up one or both games

[lordzeppelin]

Probably a good choice, Thor. By this point last year, 2k had a demo out. I trust that 2k couldn't have fucked up the controls that badly...but who knows. Last year was the first time I bought EA since NHL 2000, as 2k kicked their asses for most of the current decade.

[Thor Simpson]

forgive me if you mentioned it already but why would you 'order' one or both of the games instead of waiting a few more days for some more reviews/on hands accounts and then pick up one or both games
I'm picking mine up in-store on release day but wanted to order a copy for my brother (who is out of state) ahead of time so he gets it as close to release as possible.

As far as getting both games goes, I don't play nearly enough to desire more than one hockey game. I don't think I've ever purchased more than one of the same sports genre in a given season but I know some people do.

I soured on EA quite a while ago, although they were my obvious favorite in the early to mid 90's. But this seems like a very good outing.

[musick]

I'm picking mine up in-store on release day but wanted to order a copy for my brother (who is out of state) ahead of time so he gets it as close to release as possible.

As far as getting both games goes, I don't play nearly enough to desire more than one hockey game. I don't think I've ever purchased more than one of the same sports genre in a given season but I know some people do.

I soured on EA quite a while ago, although they were my obvious favorite in the early to mid 90's. But this seems like a very good outing.
ok, I guess your brother can't get to the store by himself
I didn't mean to infer you should get both games my statement was more of a general one about why anyone would preorder or buy in advance instead of waiting till release date, getting more review info (since many recent installments have been quite buggy) and then purchasing at b&m

I used to be a EA supporter (up to 02) when it was easy to do and they had little to no competition in the NHL arena.... 2K won me over in 03
I went with 2K4 and 2K5 which saw little in the way of improvement but still were better (sim) than the more arcadey EA franchise
I sat out 2k6 due to the bugginess of it and passed on 2k7 because of the focus on next gen which I have not converted to

I am still waiting on a game that can be a possible (next gen) system seller for me...not sure if we have that this year or not
From what I have read so far (still early) EA's game is very polished and there is a worrisome quietness about the 2K game
My next gen consideration has me leaning heavily toward the PS3 in time over the 360 so it looks like I might be sitting this hockey gaming season out as well.

[DJ_Longfellow]

Wow, the reviews for NHL 08 in EGM were glowing....I think they were all 9.0 or better. Good news ;)

[Thor Simpson]

News is so scarce on 2K8 that I have to wonder if it's really coming out in a couple days.

Gamespot just put up an interview about the new "create a team" feature. Do they not even have a copy yet to try the feature themselves? Looks like a cool feature, but the picture looks pretty hokey.
<img src="http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2007/248/reviews/939596_20070906_embed002.jpg">

[ElementZ]

Wow, the reviews for NHL 08 in EGM were glowing....I think they were all 9.0 or better. Good news ;)

See my post awhile back. Reviews were 9.5. 9.0, 9.0

For those looking to get this on the PS3 instead of the 360, the PS3 version will only be running at 30 FPS compared to 60 FPS on the 360.

[musick]

For those looking to get this on the PS3 instead of the 360, the PS3 version will only be running at 30 FPS compared to 60 FPS on the 360.
unless of course you get the RROD in which case it will be running at 0 FPS :eyebrow:

[Thor Simpson]

unless of course you get the RROD in which case it will be running at 0 FPS :eyebrow:
That's helpful. -rolleyes-

It looks like Amazon won't ship until the release date any way so I can cancel if reviews come out before then and for some reason 2K8 blows EA out of the water.

[ElementZ]

So when is the release date. I have heard everything from the 11th, 12th, 13th, and 14th.

[musick]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_bo_GzlGrw

[Thor Simpson]

So when is the release date. I have heard everything from the 11th, 12th, 13th, and 14th.
For 2K8, EB had it listed as today on ther web site and removed it from Coming Soon. Amazon has the 13th I think, Best Buy I think said the 12th, Buy.com has it the 12th. I think I saw the 14th somewhere as well.

So the answer is... I don't have a clue. :)

I've seen the 11th everywhere for NHL 08 and I plan on picking it up tomorrow at Best Buy.

[Thor Simpson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_bo_GzlGrw
Thanks for the link! :up:

I'm quite pleased with my decision.

[astrochimp]

IGN gives NHL 08 a 8.9.

Of most interest to me:

9.0 Gameplay
The opponent AI is outstanding. This looks and plays like a real NHL game. It's not perfect, but it's the best AI EA has ever had in a hockey game.

edit-for the record thats the 360 review and once again the PS3 review is slightly lower(8.6) due to framerate issues.

[aktick]

IGN gives NHL 08 a 8.9.

Of most interest to me:

9.0 Gameplay
The opponent AI is outstanding. This looks and plays like a real NHL game. It's not perfect, but it's the best AI EA has ever had in a hockey game.

edit-for the record thats the 360 review and once again the PS3 review is slightly lower(8.6) due to framerate issues.
If I was deciding which (if either) to buy based on gameplay and graphics alone, EA would win easily, I reckon. But it's the limited offering OUTSIDE of the actual games that has me on the fence yet.

I'll wait on 2k8 reviews before making a decision.

[astrochimp]

I dont even have a system that either is on anyway.I have an Xbox and a Gamecube but i am following along and i wanna see what you guys say about each one.Maybe i will just pick up a PS2 so then i get my hockey fix atleast but i didnt see a review for either game on it yet.

[jdpatri]

It looks like nothing comes out until Thursday. Bummer. Not like I can't wait, but my season tickets just arrived and I've got some hockey fever.

[lordzeppelin]

jd....where do you sit? My tix are front row of E29 for the third year...probably going to stay there, too. I love the E balcony...

[jdpatri]

First few rows of C level, near the opponent's blue line. I actually won one of those season ticket deliveries by a Penguins' player last week but was out of town! Even more exciting -- I was at the Moe's in Bethel Park yesterday and saw Crosby, Armstrong and Eaton. It's time for hockey season. This football garbage doesn't do it for me anymore.

[lordzeppelin]

Word...look up E29 for the 4 giant Shocker hands again this year (unless they tell us we can't have them again this year...)

[Thor Simpson]

2k8 has purchased a lot of advertising on game sites... no reviews just yet that I have found. (except the video review linked above).

Teamxbox has a review of NHL 08 up for those interested.

[nickdawgy]

I think NHL 2k8 is out now. NHL 08 won't be out until tomorrow according to Gamestop. I called and they said they had it but the street date is tomorrow.

I am leaning towards 08 based on the reviews so far. Everything I have seen on 2k8 says it's terrible.

[jdpatri]

The reviewers in the video above split on which one they favored. I don't know who the heck they were but I think it's still too early to write off 2K8. The deeper franchise mode and gameplay variety give me more than enough reason to wait and see.

[nickdawgy]

I agree, the EA series hasn't impressed me since the late 90's and 2k has been good from the get go, except for maybe 2k6 which I never played.

[Thor Simpson]

I agree, the EA series hasn't impressed me since the late 90's and 2k has been good from the get go, except for maybe 2k6 which I never played.
Check out some of the reviews. Most acknowledge these points, yet give EA some pretty strong reviews this season. I'd say it's a great year to give them a shot. I can't wait to get my mitts on a copy. I'm also still looking forward to a 2K8 review, however.

[musick]

IGN 2K8 review (360)
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/819/819464p1.html

[aktick]

So an 8.5 for 2K, an 8.9 for EA. I'm still up in the air on this. If EA's dynasty mode and online options were nearly what 2K had, I'd be all over it.

1up gave EA like a 9.3 and 2K a 4.0...probably a bit harsh.

But I didn't realize EA did have online leagues this year? I wonder how in-depth it is (stat tracking, etc.)?

[Thor Simpson]

1up 2k8 review... ugly.
http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3162698

And their NHL 08 review...
http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3162700

Not hard to tell which game they favor. It sounds like control issues are really hampering 2k8 this season all around. I'm sure you can customize the controls or something to clean it up, but that's really unfortunate. Even though the scores may be more skewed that many would have the guts to give, it does show the overall impression and frustration.

Everyone seems to agree so far that EA's offering is smooth. Reviews on 2K8 are more mixed, some on par and some far below. My guess is that has to do with comfort with the controls. EA has added a lot this year though so the fact that they are scoring as well as they are shows a pretty good effort. In fact, it appears as if 2K8 found itself trying to play catch-up on gameplay and just goofed up the skill stick in their first attempt.

[jdpatri]

Those reviews sound like they're for different games. BaH.

[musick]

bottom line for me is nothing in any review I've read so far shows that they can't do better
looks like I'll sit this year out as well ... I should be nex-gen ready by 09 or 2K9 that is

[nickdawgy]

After reading the 2k8 review, I think I am going with it again this year. NHL 08 may look better, but it lacks some important features that the 2k8 series has always had that influence my choice:

1. Unlockable uniforms. Not just home, away, and maybe 2 third unis, we're talking classic unis from the past. I remember some teams having half a dozen or more to choose from.

2. They say your full name when you score. Not just John or Smith or number 10, but number 10; John Smith (no that's not my name :lol: )

3. The PA announcer always sounds better in 2k8. He sounds hyped up for home team scoring, and defeated for away team scoring. The EA PA announcer has the same tone for home and away from what I have heard.

4. The goal horns are more accurate in 2k8 I think. EA has better music, though.

5. 2k8's dynasty/franchise options I heard are excellent once again, and I assume they still have the skills challenge and party games, along with the skybox. EA has what, practice, dynasty, and tournament?

6. The presentation. I like feeling like I am watching the game on tv. EA barely has any of this, short of the on ice voices, and a few other popups during the game. If 2k8 is anything like the previous versions, it's stats galore. I like hearing my created player just scored his first career goal, or his 100th career point, etc.

I just hope the controls aren't as bad as everyone says they are. The IGN review said they are great but I am glad you can default back to the regular scheme if necessary.

[lordzeppelin]

Sounds like you're more into the Sim aspect of the game...In that case, 2k8 is definitely the right decision.

Me, I'm all about gameplay, and EA's got that in spades right now with the Skill Stick. If this was 2 years ago, I'd have been like "EA's NHL games blow, and have for 5 years", and been glowing about 2k's gameplay. However, the overcomplication of the controls for the 2k Pro Stick sealed it's fate for me this year. So, I have to hit how many buttons to rip a slapshot? Left Stick+Right Stick+Left Bumper+ Right Trigger? Fuck that.

But hey, to each their own. I also like playing with old school unis and such...which is why I have ESPN NHL2k5 chillin and NHL 2k6, with all the stuff unlocked for either one. Classic Teams ROCK! I actually just picked up NHL 06 used for $3 for the PS2 simply to play the NHL '94 remix that's on it...and promptly racked up a 14 goal game using the famed 'deke'. Ahh...memories.

[mr.snowmizer]

After the dust-up between 1up and the NHL 2k developers, it looks like 1up went out to do a hit on them. There's been enough actual consumer feedback already to know 2k8 isn't deserving of a 4.0 score. They end up doing a bit of damage to themselves, regarding credibility, as well.

Hockey's actually now probably in the best shape of the major North American team sports, with two quite well-done options.

EA, being such a fresher, well-done take will end up crushing 2k's refined/stale (depending on your frame of mind) offering, though.

[lordzeppelin]

After the dust-up between 1up and the NHL 2k developers, it looks like 1up went out to do a hit on them. There's been enough actual consumer feedback already to know 2k8 isn't deserving of a 4.0 score. They end up doing a bit of damage to themselves, regarding credibility, as well.

I was unaware that 1Up had any credibility left... :D

[ElementZ]

Picked up 08 today and EB, also preordered Halo 3 ;)

So far this game kicks major ass. Spent 90 minutes just in the practice mode. Getting ready to start the dynasty.

[Thor Simpson]

Man, Amazon just informed me that they wouldn't be delivering NHL 08 until the 17th. That's with 2 day shipping. I don't know if they are getting their shipment late or if they ran out of copies. I cancelled that and ordered at Buy.com who had it in stock (very few copies it said). That's for the copy shipping to my brother.

The Best Buy in town is out of stock already but I could drive 30 minutes to get one. EB is out there as wel. Maybe I'll do that tomorrow, we'll see. I'll probably check other stores in the area first but many don't list it as being released until tomorrow.

The release date on both of these games seems very confused.

[musick]

Circuit C_ity has it [08] guaranteed to be in stock today or you get a $20 gift card

[mrmagoo]

IGN gives NHL 08 a 8.9.

Of most interest to me:

9.0 Gameplay
The opponent AI is outstanding. This looks and plays like a real NHL game. It's not perfect, but it's the best AI EA has ever had in a hockey game.

edit-for the record thats the 360 review and once again the PS3 review is slightly lower(8.6) due to framerate issues.






Hey Astrochimp, did you notice the screenshot in that IGN review? It showed Brian Campbell getting ready to lay the lumber on Briere (in a philly sweater) :yack:

For some reason that just made me smile :D

[lordzeppelin]

I picked up NHL 08 at BB along with a 1600pt live card for $70 (well, actually less, I had 2 $10 reward zone certs, and $24 left on an old gift card...but I digress). There's a $10 off $75 gaming purchase coupon floating around...

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152030

BB had both 2k8 and 08 in this afternoon, same with local EB and GS...

Hey Astrochimp, did you notice the screenshot in that IGN review? It showed Brian Campbell getting ready to lay the lumber on Briere (in a philly sweater) :yack:

For some reason that just made me smile :D

Campbell was laying lumber on a skating vagina?

[mrmagoo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_bo_GzlGrw





I used to really really like that show, I didnt even know that show was still on, I used to watch it every week back when it was on that video game channel, then it seemed that as soon as those 2 channels combined to make the new G4tv, it was not on anymore.....When is it on?

[nickdawgy]

Alot of people at Gamefaqs were ripping 2k8 also. A few called it the worst hockey game ever, and claimed to be 2k supporters. Not that I trust their opinions. I just wish someone here would bite on the game and tell me how it is. I think I am gonna wait and see a few more reviews or wait for a sale since I have Blue Dragon, and next week Eternal Sonata to keep me busy. I didn't even mention WoW, Twilight Princess, Super Paper Mario or my second run through with Bioshock.

So little time.

[musick]

^ I saw plenty that said it was an incredible game
just that you had to accept the learning curve of the control system

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=939597&topic=38186033

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=939597&topic=38188312

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=939597&topic=38173214

[mrmagoo]

I picked up NHL 08 at BB along with a 1600pt live card for $70 (well, actually less, I had 2 $10 reward zone certs, and $24 left on an old gift card...but I digress). There's a $10 off $75 gaming purchase coupon floating around...

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152030

BB had both 2k8 and 08 in this afternoon, same with local EB and GS...



Campbell was laying lumber on a skating vagina?





rotfl Briere, Danny Briere :D

[alfonsosoriano]

08 is the easy choice for me. It's incredible. The AI has owned my face every game so far though.

[lordzeppelin]

Not to hijack the topic, but I personally can't wait until someone just levels that little bitch this year. My money is on Mike Peca trucking Briere the first time the Cryers play the Isles...I don't think I can possibly hate the Cryers organization more. Hell, I'm pissed the Pens invited Robert Esche to training camp. Send that inconsistent fuck to the Western conference, or back to Philly, the place where goalies go to get fucked over.

[musick]

Not to hijack the topic, but I personally can't wait until someone just levels that little bitch this year. My money is on Mike Peca trucking Briere the first time the Cryers play the Isles.
that would be quite the feat considering Peca is on the Jackets

[lordzeppelin]

that would be quite the feat considering Peca is on the Jackets


Oops...You're right. I had the Isles on the brain, as I was looking at their overly busy jerseys again...

[aktick]

If enough of you are getting 08, I'll probably pick it up...could somebody who has it check out the online leagues, please? I'm curious how well they are done.

Are there any good deals on it?

[jdpatri]

A friend of mine loves the 2K series and picked it up yesterday. He says he's undecided. Here is a summary of the discussion -- its largely the same as the IGN review.

1. The controls are wicked tough but he said he thought they'd be manageable. He likened them the easier button combos in a fighting game.
2. The game looks fan-frickin-tastic.
3. After two hours of messing around with the franchise/career modes he said he barely scratched the surface.

Hopefully he'll have played some more tonight to give me a stronger overall statement tomorrow.

[lordzeppelin]

If enough of you are getting 08, I'll probably pick it up...could somebody who has it check out the online leagues, please? I'm curious how well they are done.

Are there any good deals on it?

Check out my post on page 3.

Dammit, I want to check out how 2K pulled out the controls, but they still haven't uploaded a demo!

[nickdawgy]

A friend of mine loves the 2K series and picked it up yesterday. He says he's undecided. Here is a summary of the discussion -- its largely the same as the IGN review.

1. The controls are wicked tough but he said he thought they'd be manageable. He likened them the easier button combos in a fighting game.
2. The game looks fan-frickin-tastic.
3. After two hours of messing around with the franchise/career modes he said he barely scratched the surface.

Hopefully he'll have played some more tonight to give me a stronger overall statement tomorrow.

Sounds good, I might pick this up tomorrow after work then.

[Thor Simpson]

Gamespot's review of 2K8 is out. <b>7.0</b>
"NHL 2K8 is a generally fun hockey game, though its new control scheme is a step backward for the series. "

<b>The Good</B>
An incredibly deep franchise mode, complete with all the collective-bargaining agreement details
Scoring is much less reliant on the one-timer
Some of the new superstar moves are awesome.

<b>The Bad</B>
New control scheme is overcomplicated and unintuitive
Checking is way over-the-top
A few glitches and quirks in the franchise mode
Online matches run at about half the frame rate as the offline game.

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/sports/nhl2k8/review.html?sid=6178657&tag=topslot;title;2&om_act=convert&om_clk=topslot


Game Informer gave 2K8 a 7.8 and NHL 08 a 8.5

There are still a lot of sources yet to review both games but it's looking clearer who will come out on top this year. That doesn't mean NHL 08 is the best game for everyone, but it's certainly made the best overall showing it seems. I have to wonder how the scores would have turned out if it weren't for the unnecessarily complicated control scheme in 2K8. It might be a closer matchup then, but I think I would still lean towards EA this year.

[aktick]

Online matches run at about half the frame rate as the offline game.

But how well do EA's online games run?

And I know I just asked it last night, but if somebody with either game could let us know how the online leagues are setup/how in depth they are, I'd appreciate it.

Also, it's obviously not as deep as 2K's franchise mode, but how in depth is EA's franchise mode? Salary cap? 7 round draft? Realistic point totals and salaries? If the franchise mode in EA is at least somewhat close to what 2K had last year, I'll probably go with it.

If EA had the franchise mode of 2K this would be a no brainer...damn you EA!

[musick]

I don't have the game but this may or may not be the code to unlock the new "Edge" uniforms as it was posted on Reebuck's site

h3oyxpwksf8ibcgt

[Thor Simpson]

aktick,
I may be able to pick up NHL 08 tonight and if I do I'll try to give some insight into the online play.

It sounds like you are more into the details of a franchise mode than I am, so I won't be able to comment well on that. I just like to play a season without getting into a draft, etc. since my play time is more limited. I know I read that the season modes have been improved but perhaps not to the level of NHL 08. Players take into consideration not only salary but estimated play time on the team and other factors that I am likely to overlook. :)

About online play...

From Gamespot (on NHL 08):
The addition of online leagues is probably music to the ears of the year-in-and-year out hardcore NHL fans who've been clamoring for just such a feature in the series for a while now. Here, you'll be able to play a league comprised of anywhere from two to 32 teams--and you can choose teams from the NHL, AHL, international, even 32 of the exact same team if you so wish. When setting up the schedule, you can choose to play every team on the schedule up to eleven times in the season; as a result, you can play pretty close to a regular 82-game season, or a season that's far longer than normal. League games will feature full stat-tracking via Xbox Live, so you can keep track of league leaders in a variety of categories.

[ElementZ]

I have played about 7-8 games online last night with NHL 08. All but one were lag free and that was only a minor lag that lasted a few seconds.

But, all of those games were against the same person.

Has anyone created a play yet? I am trying to think of a good play to create.

[mr.snowmizer]

Game Informer gave 2K8 a 7.8 and NHL 08 a 8.5

There are still a lot of sources yet to review both games but it's looking clearer who will come out on top this year. That doesn't mean NHL 08 is the best game for everyone, but it's certainly made the best overall showing it seems. I have to wonder how the scores would have turned out if it weren't for the unnecessarily complicated control scheme in 2K8. It might be a closer matchup then, but I think I would still lean towards EA this year.

One would hope they would have been the same, since the new controls are only the default, with every other control setting carried over from previous years and selectable.

But that's clearly not the case.

Every review is focusing on it, with some reviews, like 1up's, more of a review of the new control option than the total game. Go ahead and read that one, and look for any mention of the two biggest problems that actually needed addressing... goalies (AI, animations) and AI offense/one-timers, for instance.



EA has taken the upper hand in hockey, though.

[Thor Simpson]

One would hope they would have been the same, since the new controls are only the default, with every other control setting carried over from previous years and selectable.
Does choosing another control scheme still allow for the same skill stick moves and all the other new controls?

Personally I loathe having to change the control setup so while it's good that you can, I don't think it would quite make up for a terribly difficult default setting, which 90%+ people will probably use.

I'm definitely curious though if all the new controls are still available if you choose a previous control format. If so, they were really stupid to complicate it.

[Rob V]

I haven't played the EA NHL series in a few years but Im picking this up tomorrow.

So who's going to coordinate our DVDTALK league? Im in should somebody start it up.

Oh, and I'd like to use the Wings please!

[aktick]

Well, I was by a Best Buy, had $20 in gift cards plus the $10 off $75 coupon, so I picked up 08. I'll wait until some of you play a few games before opening it, but if online play is decent, I'll probably keep it to play online if nothing else. I did really like the demo, as it was different (in a good way, of course) than any hockey game I've played before.

Ended up getting it and a 1600 point card for $58 AT.

[aktick]

I haven't played the EA NHL series in a few years but Im picking this up tomorrow.

So who's going to coordinate our DVDTALK league? Im in should somebody start it up.

Oh, and I'd like to use the Wings please!
If I keep it, I want the Rockford Ice Hogs. :p Or the Blackhawks...but the Ice Hogs are probably better. :rolleyes:

If we do have a league, and started it before October (before the rosters are updated with rookies), do you think it would automatically let you play with the new rosters? I'm guessing most sports games work that way online - require you to use the most current rosters? Or can you do custom rosters, including our own trades, in online leagues? Doubtful...

[ElementZ]

I don't have the game but this may or may not be the code to unlock the new "Edge" uniforms as it was posted on Reebuck's site

h3oyxpwksf8ibcgt

Code worked for me. Thanks

[Thor Simpson]

Aktick, I picked up my copy today with a 1600 point card and the $10 off as well.

Hopefully I get a chance to check it out tonight. What exactly would you like to know about the online play?

PS. I'm certainly in on a DVDTalk league too if someone will set it up!

[nickdawgy]

I picked up 2k8 today, here are my thoughts.

The new control scheme is bad. I don't want to say terrible, because maybe I just suck, but yeah I changed to the face button control. It didn't surprise me since in NHL 07 last year, I liked the skill stick, but it was a bit hard to master after years of using the face buttons. The controls with the face button IMO are much easier, and I am having a good time playing games.

A few things I notiuced, both good and bad:

They do say your first and last name as I said before. The unis are unlocked now as opposed to getting all the points to unlock them. Only the classic teams are locked I believe.

It seems they toned down the party games and the skybox. It's basic now, a place for the cup if you win, the unlockable teams, the records, the air hockey and trivia, and that's about it. Missing are the unis (as I said they are unlocked already), the shuffle board game, the trophies (unless I missed it), and I think they had bobble heads last year, or was that football or basketball?

When a player is approaching a milestone, such as say 100 assists, it'll mention it with the little graphic, and the commentators will talk about it.

It's not all scoring with one-timers like before. I think I scored on one of them in three games, and I tried at least a dozen.

The players faces look a bit weird, almost as if it's really hot and they are tired and sweaty. It happens before the game, too :lol: so unless they are doing something before the game that wears them out, it's not a cool thing. Yeah I know they warm up, but the coaches face is like that, too. Explain that one ;)

The net doesn't move when the puck hits it like NHL 08. In fact I believe the puck bounces off the back of the net almost every time and rolls out after a goal.

The replays are really awesome, though. Nice angles, including a really cool one from the ice following the break.

The franchise mode is cool from what I have seen. The negotiating is interesting.

Lots of hits and checks, but hey I like the big hits.

I haven't played online nor do I ever plan to, so I can't comment on that part of the game.

I love the game, though. It's really fun. Not upset over the purchase at all.

[aktick]

Aktick, I picked up my copy today with a 1600 point card and the $10 off as well.

Hopefully I get a chance to check it out tonight. What exactly would you like to know about the online play?

PS. I'm certainly in on a DVDTalk league too if someone will set it up!
Mainly I'm interested in how smooth it runs online, as well as how good they have the online leagues setup - for example, is there an option for custom rosters in online leagues, is there regular standings or even a playoffs.

And could somebody check the rosters? In particular, are there any rookies that signed late last year - guys like Jack Skille (would be on Rockford or Chicago), Jack Johnson (Kings), Joe Piskula (Kings or Manchester), Brian Elliott (Binghamton).

Any sort of practice/development mode during franchises? Salary cap?

Thanks for any info...I'll probably crack er open tonight if I hear good things. :)

[Thor Simpson]

aktick,
It's hard to tell how the leagues work schedule-wise. I created a league and you can choose the number of teams, games, rules, etc. I couldn't view a schedule or any options beyond that since the league isn't full up so I can't tell if there is a playoff system. I hope there is.

If anyone wants to set up a quick small league just to get a look at the options, let me know and I'll join in.

Love this game so far, the gameplay is just so slick.

Edit:
Here is some info on both the franchise and online leagues. They sound pretty excited about it...
http://www.sportsgamer.com/content/990

But really we don't learn all that much beyond the fact that the leagues exist and will be easy to add people on.

[aktick]

aktick,
It's hard to tell how the leagues work schedule-wise. I created a league and you can choose the number of teams, games, rules, etc. I couldn't view a schedule or any options beyond that since the league isn't full up so I can't tell if there is a playoff system. I hope there is.

If anyone wants to set up a quick small league just to get a look at the options, let me know and I'll join in.

Love this game so far, the gameplay is just so slick.

Edit:
Here is some info on both the franchise and online leagues. They sound pretty excited about it...
http://www.sportsgamer.com/content/990

But really we don't learn all that much beyond the fact that the leagues exist and will be easy to add people on.
Thanks Thor. Screw it, I'll keep open it and keep it. Gamespot has their review up, 8.5 vs. 7.0 for 2K8. I love the in depth nature of the 2K franchise mode, but the Gamespot review made me realize that a lot of times by having it so in depth, it actually gets a bit convoluted and makes for more annoying buggy problems (teams releasing top players, waaayyy too many trades, etc.). So in terms of franchise options, I'll hope less is more with 08.

[aktick]

Here is some info on both the franchise and online leagues. They sound pretty excited about it...
http://www.sportsgamer.com/content/990

That guy is funny as shit...making it sound like EA has this innovative thing in online leagues, when 2K has had them for a few years. A little over the top with that article, but it still sounds good. :)

[aktick]

Played for an hour or so...damn, I've got some learning to do with these new controls! In past games, both 2K and EA, I would dominate on the hardest difficulties without much work. Definitely gotta practice up.

[DJ_Longfellow]

So, anyone else get 2K8? I'm still on the fence about these. I really enjoyed the NHL08 demo, but I still want to try 2K8. Although, the controls seems like they would annoy me, so that is troublesome, as I want gameplay over bells and whistles.

[astrochimp]

Im wondering if anyone got either one for ps2 and how it is?

[lordzeppelin]

Anyone online now in EA 08 want to play a bit? Message me.

[nickdawgy]

Code worked for me. Thanks

I tried it, and it didn't work.

[educator_bhoy]

so after reading reviews and ratings, I picked up NHL 08, this was my second next gen hockey game, played the 2K7 last year and it was meh, this one is so much better, I have never seen graphics like this in a sports game ever, the players faces look very real, the game play is very nice also but after a few minutes of shot stick this and pull down L1 and R2 to the right, I quickly went back to the classic controls, let me tell you guys and gals the days of every single one time pass and shot going in are over!!! the AI is very good even on the easiest settings.

All in all I am very happy with this purchase, EA has impressed me with this one.

[TaTTooD]

And could somebody check the rosters? In particular, are there any rookies that signed late last year - guys like Jack Skille (would be on Rockford or Chicago), Jack Johnson (Kings), Joe Piskula (Kings or Manchester), Brian Elliott (Binghamton).


Joe Piskula is rated 67 on Manchester

Jack Johnson is rated 79 on Los Angeles

The others you listed aren't in the game yet.

[TaTTooD]

I tried it, and it didn't work.

I would try it again. It's a valid code and it worked fine for me as well.

[TaTTooD]

aktick,
If anyone wants to set up a quick small league just to get a look at the options, let me know and I'll join in.



made a quick league if anyone wants to try this out. 10 teams. 7 games. We can start another one when the real rosters come out.

League name is DVDTALK PRESEASON
password is dvd1

I got the Hawks...sorry aktick -ptth-

[aktick]

made a quick league if anyone wants to try this out. 10 teams. 7 games. We can start another one when the real rosters come out.

League name is DVDTALK PRESEASON
password is dvd1

I got the Hawks...sorry aktick -ptth-
You shouldn't have to apologize for taking that sad excuse for an NHL team. :p Probably did me a favor...I've only played a couple games, going to check out the rosters more later today, will let you know what team I want for sure. I'll add you guys to my list if you're not already on it. My gamertag is aktick.

And is that 7 games against all 9 other teams, or 7 games total?

[TaTTooD]

And is that 7 games against all 9 other teams, or 7 games total?

good call there...i didnt read it right and its pretty early in the morning :) ..i redid it. same info, 1 game against each team though.

[aktick]

DVDTalkers with NHL 08 (for 360):

(DVDT Name/Gamertag)
aktick/aktick
Thor Simpson/Thor Simpson
lordzeppelin/Ronin317
ElementZ/ElementZ2000
Rob V/Rogbib
TaTTood/bombdrop
alfonsosoriano/Penny1881


These are the people I've added, if I missed you or if you get the game, please let me know so we can get a decent list going. Haven't played online hockey in a while, but I can imagine it's like most other games where 90% of the people playing are little brats.

[aktick]

good call there...i didnt read it right and its pretty early in the morning :) ..i redid it. same info, 1 game against each team though.
lol, didn't want to rain on your parade if you did indeed want to play 70 games before the new rosters come out in a few weeks. :lol:

I was looking at that last night, and you can have up to 32 teams and I think 11 games? So well over 300 games in a season if you wanted. :eek:

[nickdawgy]

I would try it again. It's a valid code and it worked fine for me as well.

I tried it 3 or 4 times, then I realized it was NHL 08 only :lol:

The 2k8 code comes out on the 17th, the same day all the NHL teams present their new unis.

[Thor Simpson]

I'll join in the league at halftime or something. My game is coming up soon.

[Rob V]

I've yet to pick up the game. I meant to do it Friday but got busy at work.
I tried the demo last night and was having a HELL of a time figuring out how to pull off a slap shot - any advice?

When I pushed the R stick down, it just dumped the puck. When I pushed it up, it did a wrist shot. How do I really wind it up?

[Thor Simpson]

Down then up on the right stick is correct. Left and right will deke with the stick. It should not release the puck unless you push up or hit another button. Are you also pushing it in or hitting a trigger at the same time?

[Rob V]

Im not exactly sure. It just seemed that every time I pushed down, it dumped the puck. Guess I'll have to practice more.

[aktick]

Im not exactly sure. It just seemed that every time I pushed down, it dumped the puck. Guess I'll have to practice more.
The shooting controls are actually reversed if you are attacking "down" - as in going from top to bottom on the screen. I've always liked going up, so I always set it that way.

[ElementZ]

I am down for the league. Anyone going to be around during Monday day. I will be out of town all day and night tomorrow.

[educator_bhoy]

the only downside to NHL 08 is that you dont get the old uniforms, I get a great kick out of seeing Colorado in the Nordiques jerseys or Vancouver in their vast assortment of horrible uniforms hehehe

or am I just wrong and this is an unlockable??

[lordzeppelin]

No, the game doesn't have classic unis. I think 2k8 does...but I'd rather have 08's control than a uni. Personal prefs...I kept NHL 2k5 and I'll pick up 2k6 or 2k7 later cheap as hell if I get the itch to play with the old unis.

As far as the preseason season goes for 08 online...there's three of us so far - I don't think we're going to get this in before the actual season starts. Especially when Halo drops next week. If anyone wants to play...message me, even if I'm playing something else!

[aktick]

Joined the league then, took the Rangers. This game takes a while to get used to, damn.

[lordzeppelin]

Looks like EAs servers bit it midway through a game with Thor...

[aktick]

Looks like EAs servers bit it midway through a game with Thor...
I got out just in time. -ptth-

[Thor Simpson]

The other night the game would stall any time I started an online match... it would start the intros then freeze.

Hopefully they get the servers figured out. We had a great game going there too!

[lordzeppelin]

EA's website was even down at the time...or at least I couldn't get to it. And it looks from searching around that it took them about 2 hours to fix it too.

[aktick]

So I just played my first game on the 2nd hardest difficulty - allstar? Had all the rest of the settings on default, used the Avs vs. the Blue Jackets, and had my ass handed to me 7-0.

I'm all for a challenging, realistic hockey game, but this was just stupid. They hit twice as hard, shot twice as hard, were twice as accurate, twice as fast, and would poke check it off me if I got within 5 feet of them with the puck. Really kind of disappointed in how unrealistically good the computer was.

Oh well, back to the next lowest difficulty, I was having much more fun in close games there. :)

[lordzeppelin]

I'm winning most of the time on Pro, as I played 07 on All-Star, but it's definitely a more difficult game this year. All-Star is about 50-50 for me, and Superstar is handing me my ass on a platter.

[astrochimp]

For those interested in the PC and PS2 versions of NHL 08 Gamespot gave them a 6.0(PC) and 6.5(PS2).I have the PS2 version and i can say their review is accurate.These are not the same games as on the 360 and PS3 and i dont just mean graphically.Skill stick has been added and theres all the leagues including the AHL but that "best ever hockey AI" aint here although its not horrible.

For me its the only way to play some video hockey for now atleast and im not hating NHL 08 on my PS2(and it was only $30) although im curious as to how 2K8 is since its only $20 but i havent seen it reviewed yet for PS2.

[musick]

For me its the only way to play some video hockey for now
maybe the only way to play video hockey with updated rosters
but I was playing 2K5 earlier today on my PS2 so cleary there are other ways to play some video hockey :D

[aktick]

I'm winning most of the time on Pro, as I played 07 on All-Star, but it's definitely a more difficult game this year. All-Star is about 50-50 for me, and Superstar is handing me my ass on a platter.
I went back and played CBJ with the Avs again, this time on Pro instead of All-Star, and I won 6-2. So an 11 goal swing/difference between the 2. It just seems like the opponent is faster (and that includes guys like Klesla and Foote beating guys like Stastny and Sakic to loose pucks 100% of the time) on All-Star, but on Pro all is even, so the outcome is completely based on strategy/gameplay and goaltending, the way it ought to be...IMO.

I'm sure with enough time I'll get better and will be able to compete on All-Star, but this learning curve is huge compared to any hockey game I've played before.

[astrochimp]

maybe the only way to play video hockey with updated rosters
but I was playing 2K5 earlier today on my PS2 so cleary there are other ways to play some video hockey :D

Oh yeah.... or that ;)

[lordzeppelin]

Since we're talking 2k5, I popped it in for a quick game this afternoon, and pissed all over the 1993 Chicago Blackhawks with the 1992 Pens...love it!

[astrochimp]

Sorry im way behind on the hockey games but why is 2k5 so good and say not 2k6 or 7 or 8 for that matter if anyone ever has a ps2 review for it.

[musick]

2k5 was the last hockey game I purchased (PS2)

if I recall correctly 2k6 is when they lost the ESPN license, it was very buggy, and was said to be a step down from 2k5

2k7 is where they started focusing on next gen so the PS2 game didn't get a lot of love as has continued with 2k8

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/543/543919p1.html

[Thor Simpson]

I'm all for a challenging, realistic hockey game, but this was just stupid. They hit twice as hard, shot twice as hard, were twice as accurate, twice as fast, and would poke check it off me if I got within 5 feet of them with the puck.
Actually, that was just me playing against you over xbox live. EA calls me whenever someone starts a game on All-Star and I control the other team. My "on the fly AI" is amazing.

[astrochimp]

2k5 was the last hockey game I purchased (PS2)

if I recall correctly 2k6 is when they lost the ESPN license, it was very buggy, and was said to be a step down from 2k5

2k7 is where they started focusing on next gen so the PS2 game didn't get a lot of love as has continued with 2k8

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/543/543919p1.html

I'll give it a try.Its only around 5 bucks for a used copy.Thanks musick :)

[lordzeppelin]

Or less. I picked mine up when they made it backwards compatible on the 360 for $2.50 and it was pristine at a used store.

2k5 was the year that 2k really handed EA their collective asses across the board, and actually got attention for it. Not that the games before or after were bad though, as I played the 2k games for all of last gen (including dreamcast). 2k6 was pretty good on the Xbox, but the 360 version licked balls.

Oh, and if you pick up 2k5, and want to play with everything unlocked right away, all you need to do is create a profile with the name of "LuvLeafs" (PS2 and Xbox). On 2k6, create a profile with "Turco813" and it unlocks everything too. (All platforms).

[DJ_Longfellow]

I'm still waiting to try 2K8....Blockbuster was out, so I'll wait to use my free rental. I still enjoy the NHL 08 demo though. I also played NHL 08 for the PC and found it to be not as good as the 360 demo. The control felt bad, and I use the 360 controller on my PC.

Anyways, I will eventually get NHL 08 probably....just wait for a price drop, as I am preoccupied with Madden and MLB The Show currently.

[TaTTooD]

Saw that Ronin and aktick played a game in the league....or at least it says one was played. I wonder if it allows you to play before the league starts and then you'll actually see stats and whatever once everyone joins and the league starts.


5 people joined so far..lookin for 5 more.

[lordzeppelin]

We'll never get the other 5, nor get a full schedule played before the season starts...

[TaTTooD]

I took down the old league and made a new one for 6 players so we can get this thing going. I sent some of you messages on XBL that are on my friends list...otherwise....

League: DVDTALK
Password: dvd1

Sign up so we can start this and get it over quick. :)

[aktick]

So how soon do you think we'll see accurate rosters? Hopefully by early next week? I'd imagine they have most all of the players "created," but just have to add them to the teams and upload them? Curious to see how accurate they are, especially with the AHL teams.

Will rookies who are with the AHL club be added? I wish pre-season games counted towards rookies being able to be added. :o

[lordzeppelin]

They should be up by the end of the week.

[aktick]

They should be up by the end of the week.
Hope so...I've been having the urge to knock the shit out of some Penguins...

[astrochimp]

Ive ended up really liking NHL 08 for my PS2.I had to get over the fact that its not as pretty as the next gen versions i had seen but its still a good game of hockey.I started using the classic controls but im now using the hybrid and although im not great with it i like how it works and am getting better at it.Least i think this will carry me over till next season when maybe i will be onboard with the next gen crowd ;)

[comanche_doyle]

I am really enjoying nhl 08 on the ps2, but where the hell are the whalers jerseys? phoenix has the winnepeg jets jerseys, but carolina get nothing for hartford. also very cool to have the AHL on here.

[lordzeppelin]

Hope so...I've been having the urge to knock the shit out of some Penguins...

Apparently the roster Update will be late this week or early next...so you will get your chance...bring it :P

[aktick]

Apparently the roster Update will be late this week or early next...so you will get your chance...bring it :P
:lol: Hopefully Toews and Kane will help the cause a bit.

Anybody know if rookies in the AHL will be included? Or does the stupid NHLPA forbid such terrible things? Thought I read that they have to play in 6 or 8 pro games or something before they could be included, but I'm not sure if they meant pro as in NHL, or AHL OR NHL.

I've only played a couple games in the last month, since I use the Hawks so often and their rosters were really bad. Didn't want to start a franchise, and everybody else has been playing Halo.

[movieking]

For you Canadians out there, Walmart is selling NHL 08 for $29 this week. It was in the flyer, and some people haven't had luck in getting it, but it actually scanned for me properly.

[aktick]

I should've waited to buy this...I can't believe it's taking them so long to get rosters updated.

[DJ_Longfellow]

Yes, many people are bitching about rosters for NHL 08...something about the AHL waivers not being signed or something

[aktick]

Yes, many people are bitching about rosters for NHL 08...something about the AHL waivers not being signed or something
Don't they have damn fax machines? Ugh. :rolleyes: :p

[astrochimp]

For you Canadians out there, Walmart is selling NHL 08 for $29 this week. It was in the flyer, and some people haven't had luck in getting it, but it actually scanned for me properly.

Thanks for the heads up movieking.Ive just had my 360 for a couple weeks and might grab it at that price if they have it at the Walmart here.

[Wag]

Don't they have damn fax machines? Ugh. :rolleyes: :p

As a long suffering Blackhawks fan, I had to smile when I read that (at least I was under the impression you were a fan as well, and were referencing the botched Chris Gratton trade back in the late 90s). If I was in error let me know, since I wouldn't wish being a Hawks fan on anyone! hehe

Hopefully those days are over now that the old man is gone and Pully was put out to pasture. Rocky looks like he would pay for a quality fax machine! heheh

[aktick]

As a long suffering Blackhawks fan, I had to smile when I read that (at least I was under the impression you were a fan as well, and were referencing the botched Chris Gratton trade back in the late 90s). If I was in error let me know, since I wouldn't wish being a Hawks fan on anyone! hehe

Hopefully those days are over now that the old man is gone and Pully was put out to pasture. Rocky looks like he would pay for a quality fax machine! heheh
lol, glad you caught that. I've gotta trust Tallon knows what he's doing, and Rocky indeed seems to be more willing to make positive changes. Did you catch their home game TV announcement/press conference? It was pretty funny, basically Rocky said he would always ask $ Bill about televising home games, and Bill would shoot him down immediately. More or less saying he was just a stubborn old man. :lol:

[lordzeppelin]

Personally, I'm thrilled that the 'Hawks may be climbing back to respectability. And happy that Ruutu seems to actually be healthy for once. I've always liked the Hawks, and they've been painful to watch for a good 12 years...

[movieking]

When in dynasty mode in NHL 08, is there a way to just bypass all of the AHL games? When I try to play the next NHL game, I have to sim the AHL games.

Also, I suck at aiming. The only time I score is with auto-aim. I find it hard to aim correctly since I am usually carrying the puck, and using that stick to direct the skater. Is it just me or does anyone else have that problem? I am glad that the goalies don't let in anymore soft goals, and using the one-timer to score is pretty much impossible now.

[astrochimp]

I made the trek to Walmart yesterday and no luck and of course non of the "staff" knew anything about it,big surprise there :p

[aktick]

When in dynasty mode in NHL 08, is there a way to just bypass all of the AHL games? When I try to play the next NHL game, I have to sim the AHL games.

Also, I suck at aiming. The only time I score is with auto-aim. I find it hard to aim correctly since I am usually carrying the puck, and using that stick to direct the skater. Is it just me or does anyone else have that problem? I am glad that the goalies don't let in anymore soft goals, and using the one-timer to score is pretty much impossible now.
Yeah, the aiming thing is screwy, and made particularly difficult with the skill stick - I have to always go "up" on the screen, or everything with shooting gets reversed and just confuses me.

[movieking]

Man, I just suck at this game. I was fine in NHL 07, but I can't get a win in this one. I can manage to get a ton of shots on net, but hardly any go in because I suck at aiming. I do better with auto aim, but I would rather be able to aim myself.

[mr.snowmizer]

Also, I suck at aiming. The only time I score is with auto-aim. I find it hard to aim correctly since I am usually carrying the puck, and using that stick to direct the skater. Is it just me or does anyone else have that problem? I am glad that the goalies don't let in anymore soft goals, and using the one-timer to score is pretty much impossible now.

Last year, the ultimate hockey game would have been 2k7 with NHL 07's goalies (minus their tendency to knock the puck in themselves when trying to cover up a puck lying at their feet).

This year, the complete opposite may be true... NHL 08 with 2k8's goalies would be an improvement on either game.

Eventually, the one that gets the ten skaters at their best will also be the one who programs the goalies as not too good, not too bad, but just right. Based on the direction each series is heading, NHL 09 is the more likely candidate, but that's not something I'd bet the farm on.

[DJ_Longfellow]

I read turning the slider down for Shot Blocking helps with the tough goalies....as always, refer to www.operationsports.com for more details.

[aktick]

Man I suck at this game...I hadn't played for a month I'll bet, but I controlled play against a friend online, outshooting him 49-24, but he beat me 2-0. I just can't score. :lol:

[movieking]

I hear you. We should try to play each other online to see who is worse at scoring. I expect a 0-0 regulation tie, with a winner in shootout.

I wish it was easier to score with the one-timer. Like I said before, my main issue is that I am usually using the left stick to skate, and when I shoot, I usually end up aiming at the middle of the net and unless I score five-hole, I don't score.

[aktick]

Roster update is finally out!

[aktick]

Anybody else have a problem finishing an online game (360)? Every game I've played against my brother online in the past couple weeks, it starts having connection issues about halfway through the 3rd. Never the 1st or 2nd, always the 3rd. It never actually loses the connection from one of us, as we can just keep playing, but there will be a faceoff, then about 5 seconds of play, and it gets reset to the faceoff with the time put back on the clock. We'll try to get through it for a couple minutes, then it becomes obvious it's not going to stop, so we have to quit.

Any idea why it would be happening this way?

[movieking]

A friend of mine had trouble trying to play last night as well. Maybe it is Xbox Live, which has been a bit flaky lately apparently.

[movieking]

So I tried to play online versus a friend with no luck. When either of us are the home team, we have no trouble cycling through to pick our team, etc, but if we are the visitors, we cannot do anything. We can't pick a team, can't change leagues, etc, we are basically locked up, aside from being able to press B to go back.

Anyone have this trouble? We've played many games online before with no issues.

[aktick]

I hadn't played an EA Sports game for a couple years (no Madden before this year, and played the 2K hockey games), and after my experiences with NHL 2008 thus far, I think this will be the last year I play their games. Just so many annoying little quirks that ruin the experience.

My brother is staying with me while he's on break from school, and we were playing a couple games together on my dynasty tonight. Somehow, at some point, my profile got logged out. No big deal. Except when I went to save it, it wouldn't let me - it said I had to go the the EA NHL Profile settings or something and make my profile the active profile before I could save. Fine. But to do that, I had to quit the dynasty, losing any unsaved progress. Great.

So it was only 3 games, about an hour's worth, but it's just the idea of the thing...so don't log out of Live for some reason before you save. :rolleyes:

[astrochimp]

NHL2k8 comes with NBA2K8 at Future Shop here at the moment for $59.99.

As for EA i hear ya aktick.Ive bought more games by them over the years than from any other company by far but it almost always ends up in frustration more than enjoyment.As for NHL 08 i just have the ps2 version which also has some irritating glitches and i dont think i wanna drop 60 bucks on the 360 version now that im in the next gen world.

The true test of a great game is if your still playing it when the next years version comes out and i dont think thats happened with me and an EA sports title since the Genesis days.

[aktick]

NHL2k8 comes with NBA2K8 at Future Shop here at the moment for $59.99.

As for EA i hear ya aktick.Ive bought more games by them over the years than from any other company by far but it almost always ends up in frustration more than enjoyment.As for NHL 08 i just have the ps2 version which also has some irritating glitches and i dont think i wanna drop 60 bucks on the 360 version now that im in the next gen world.

The true test of a great game is if your still playing it when the next years version comes out and i dont think thats happened with me and an EA sports title since the Genesis days.
What sucks the most is that I LOVE the gameplay compared to any hockey game I've played before. I'm a huge fan of close 2-1, 3-2 type games, and you get this almost every game in 08, it's just the "rest" of the game is lacking and basically buggy.

[aktick]

More frustrations with this game last night...I was trying to make a trade in my dynasty, and it kept giving me the 23 players is the max on an NHL roster message, although I was attempting to trade a minor leaguer for another minor leaguer. So I substituted the AHL player I was trying to trade for a better one who I knew they would take, to see if it was a glitch or if I was indeed doing something wrong. Well, they accepted the trade, it went through fine.

So I exit out of the dynasty, it give me the "are you sure you want to exit, you'll lose all unsaved progress" message, I say yes I want to exit. Load my dynasty back up...the trade it still there.

After playing around some to see how the hell it saved it, I figured out that after you make a trade, if you back out of the trade screen, it automatically saves. But if you make a trade, then turn off your system or exit to the dashboard before backing out of the trade screen, it isn't saved.

Just another asinine flaw that makes the game annoying...if you are looking for a good management type hockey game, this is definitely at the bottom of the list.

I'm almost considering the buy NBA 2k get NHL 2k free deal because of how much better it is in the management aspects.

[jdpatri]

I'm also having trouble with buggy crap in the team management area. Players in my AHL team appear in my lineup management screens but not in my roster management screens. Trades are fluky and don't make any sense. There's no way to advertise a player is available for trade and the trade offers are often just senseless one-for-one swaps of the same type of player. Like many other people, I'm loving the 08 gameplay but the management aspects -- the reason sports games tend to get so much playtime with me -- is severely lacking. If I could just mash the 2K8 franchise management with the 08 gameplay, I'd be in heaven. Though the reviews cited the gaps in quality of franchise management schemes at the outset, I think they severely undersold the differences.

[aktick]

Can anybody with 2K8 chime in with their thoughts on the franchise mode in that game?

If I can find a buyer easily for ~$30-35 for NBA 2K8, and the NHL 2K8 franchise mode is confirmed to be much better, I'm going to get it I think.

[jdpatri]

I've messed around with the franchise mode on my friend's 2k8. Take about fifteen minutes of fiddling for what you will, but I thought it was plainly better. Everything seemed more intuitive and much deeper... I certainly never saw all there was to see.

[aktick]

NHL 2K8 for $30 from Amazon - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000QD9F84/ref=nosim/cheapassgam08-20

I'll probably jump on this, as most eBay auctions are selling for about this or even a little more.

[lordzeppelin]

I thought about it too...the Dynasty mode on NHL 08 is pretty buggy, the the gameplay is just so damn good in game. 2k8 for $30 is quite attractive though.

[aktick]

They apparently can't give 2K8 away...it's down to $20 at Amazon now, Deal of the Day.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QD9F84/ref=amb_link_5993582_1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=right-1&pf_rd_r=1TB1JJSGW4JMZAKYS1V4&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=339017901&pf_rd_i=468642

[jdpatri]

Hmm. I still play the heck out of NHL08... but or $20 you could rationalize turning 2K8 into something like a Hockey GM type game, playing a game here and there, but really only using it to get your front office/management fix. Tempting indeed.

The issue now is, of course, that if EA is whipping 2K in hockey without putting any real effort into the franchise mode they really have no incentive to do so in future years and 2K8 won't have the financial motivation from poor sales to put time into their gameplay.

edit: damn, it's only the XBox version for sale. PS3 is still $55.

[aktick]

Hmm. I still play the heck out of NHL08... but or $20 you could rationalize turning 2K8 into something like a Hockey GM type game, playing a game here and there, but really only using it to get your front office/management fix. Tempting indeed.

That's mostly what I plan on doing. Hopefully there's an option to slowly sim games, so I can jump in the end of a close game. That's what I'm doing with a lot of my AHL games now in 08 - sim until there's 5 minutes left in the 3rd, then jump in if it's a close game and play. Season moves along faster, and you still at least get somewhat of a feel for your minor leaguers.