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mrpayroll
07-25-07, 02:40 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070725/en_nm/disney_smoking_dc_3

1 hour, 30 minutes ago

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Walt Disney Co. on Wednesday became the first major Hollywood studio to ban depictions of smoking, saying there would be no smoking in its family-oriented, Disney-branded films and it would "discourage" it in films distributed by its Touchstone and Miramax labels.

Disney Chief Executive Robert Iger also said in a letter to U.S. Rep. Edward Markey, whose committee last month held hearings on the effects of movie images on children, that the studio would place anti-smoking public service announcements on DVDs of any future films that feature cigarette smoking.

He said the company would encourage theater owners to show screen anti-smoking public service announcements, or PSAs, before such films.

Iger cautioned, however, that "cigarette smoking is a unique problem and this PSA effort is not a precedent for any other issue."

Markey described Disney's commitment as "groundbreaking" and urged other studios to follow suit.

Dr. Cheryl Healton, president and CEO of the American Legacy Foundation, commended Disney's move but said the studio left "some ambiguity about what would happen in relation to Touchstone and Miramax."

Research cited by American Legacy, a nonprofit created out of landmark litigation between the tobacco industry and states attorneys general, shows that 90 percent of all films depict smoking and children with the highest exposure to smoking in movies were nearly three times more likely to start smoking.

Tobacco is featured in three-quarters of G, PG and PG-13 rated movies and 90 percent of R-rated movies, the studies showed.

The independent Weinstein Co. already is using PSAs produced by American Legacy ahead of its films that depict smoking, Healton said.

(Reporting by Gina Keating)


Since most depictions of smoking in movies does nothing to enhance the movie, I think this is a great move.

Chris

PopcornTreeCt
07-25-07, 03:01 PM
What's next, removing any depictions of people eating fast food? Ridiculous.

bhk
07-25-07, 03:07 PM
Its fine. Showing people smoke doesn't have anything to do with the movie. If a private company wants to stop showing it, they should. If there's going to be a backlash, the box office will give them the message.

Randy Miller III
07-25-07, 03:09 PM
But how will we know who the bad guys are?

BravesMG
07-25-07, 03:14 PM
But how will we know who the bad guys are?I would hope they're not banning the black hats too.

UAIOE
07-25-07, 03:39 PM
Thankfully Disney doesn't own "Ghostbusters".

DRG
07-25-07, 03:46 PM
Showing people smoke doesn't have anything to do with the movie.

I'm not a big smoking fan myself, but there are people in real life that smoke. If you're creating a character that resembles of those people it would be more authentic to have them smoke. Especially if it's set in the 50s or 60s when smoking was accepted and done everywhere. To do otherwise would be like having gang members who don't cuss, or having a frat party scene where everyone is chugging colas.

Edit: I should note I'm referring to the Touchstone/Miramax titles and not the Disney/Pixar branded ones.

Groucho
07-25-07, 03:48 PM
Was there smoking in Ratatouille? I don't think there was. Which is odd, because in France everybody smokes like a chimney...including the rats.

matome
07-25-07, 03:52 PM
This is dumb. How about the PSA's for drug use, drinking, unsafe sex, gambling, etc. More crap to fast forward through before the movie starts.

Seantn
07-25-07, 05:29 PM
To do otherwise would be like having gang members who don't cuss, or having a frat party scene where everyone is chugging colas.

And how many cussing gang members or beer chugging frat parties have we seen in Family oriented Disney films up to this point?

Crocker Jarmen
07-25-07, 05:40 PM
And how many cussing gang members or beer chugging frat parties have we seen in Family oriented Disney films up to this point?

Exactly, I'd be interested to know how many of Disney 'family aimed' movies featured smoking in the last ten years. This is no different to me then hearing Disney say they are putting a ban on graphic sex and violence in their family theme movies.

RagingBull80
07-25-07, 06:08 PM
I actually think this is a bit stupid. I guess it makes sense with Disney films though as long as it doesn't spill over into other films.

I wonder what Harvey thinks about this? I guess Silent Bob's going to have to stop smoking.

PopcornTreeCt
07-25-07, 06:08 PM
The article says Disney-branded films, the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise included, which could have (and probably should have) some characters smoking.

Brain Stew
07-25-07, 06:22 PM
I wonder what Harvey thinks about this? I guess Silent Bob's going to have to stop smoking.
Harvey Weinstein doesn't work for Miramax anymore. He and his brother started The Weinstein Company where they distributed Clerks II.

Supermallet
07-25-07, 06:23 PM
I actually think this is a bit stupid. I guess it makes sense with Disney films though as long as it doesn't spill over into other films.

I wonder what Harvey thinks about this? I guess Silent Bob's going to have to stop smoking.

The Weinsteins no longer have any affiliation with Miramax, they've moved on and have started up The Weinstein Company. Clerks II was released through that company, and Kevin Smith has no plans of going back to Disney at the moment (nor does Tarantino, for that matter).

Brain Stew
07-25-07, 06:25 PM
Jinx :D

GoldenJCJ
07-25-07, 06:31 PM
I guess the news doesn't bother me as long s Disney doesn't go back and remove smoking references in their older titles.

Hopefully their Touchstone and Miramax releases won't be too affected by the decision.

I'm not a fan of smoking and anything that discourages the practice is OK in my book. Of course, if a child starts smoking because he/she saw Captain Jack do it, then they have bigger problems than cigarettes.

Seantn
07-25-07, 06:32 PM
Is everyone just skipping over the first part of the article? :


Walt Disney Co. on Wednesday became the first major Hollywood studio to ban depictions of smoking, saying there would be no smoking in its family-oriented, Disney-branded films and it would "discourage" it in films distributed by its Touchstone and Miramax labels.
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It doesn't say that they're forcing all movies to stop smoking. Only the family oriented Disney ones that probably wouldn't have had smoking in the first place.

GoldenJCJ
07-25-07, 06:42 PM
Is everyone just skipping over the first part of the article? :


Walt Disney Co. on Wednesday became the first major Hollywood studio to ban depictions of smoking, saying there would be no smoking in its family-oriented, Disney-branded films and it would "discourage" it in films distributed by its Touchstone and Miramax labels.
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It doesn't say that they're forcing all movies to stop smoking. Only the family oriented Disney ones that probably wouldn't have had smoking in the first place.
I read that paragraph 3 times and it didn't make sense to me until after I read your post.

Still, I'm not sure I see the point in putting a PSA in front of a film like Gangs of New York discouraging all the kiddies watching from smoking.

RagingBull80
07-25-07, 09:34 PM
The Weinsteins no longer have any affiliation with Miramax, they've moved on and have started up The Weinstein Company. Clerks II was released through that company, and Kevin Smith has no plans of going back to Disney at the moment (nor does Tarantino, for that matter).
I had totally forgotten about that. I now remember seeing the Weinstein logo at the beginning of Clerks II. I had a lapse of memory I guess. I recently purchased the Clerks X DVD and I had just remembered Kevin working for Miramax.

GreenVulture
07-25-07, 10:17 PM
But how will we know who the bad guys are?

And to quote Stephen Colbert: "How will we know who the cool characters are now?"

flixtime
07-25-07, 10:19 PM
Party at Cameron Spencer Osborne's!

paulringodaman
07-25-07, 10:28 PM
This is nonsense! I think more kids are influenced by fighting in movies than smoking in movies. What little boy doesn't pretend he is Spiderman and falls down and hurts himself? Although I believe it does happen, kids smoking due to movies is FAR LESS!! So let's take out fight scenes!

hermes10
07-26-07, 12:01 PM
I'm not a fan of smoking and anything that discourages the practice is OK in my book.

Executions would clearly discourage smoking. Short of that, we could do all kinds of things, like: take away their driver's licenses; not allow them to have health insurance coverage; put them in jail; take away their children, or confiscate their property. Or did you not really mean "anything?"

islandclaws
07-26-07, 01:58 PM
It might not seem like a big deal, but this is just another small step in the war to police everything that goes into a film. I'm not a smoker, but I realize there are people that smoke and that's their decision to make, not mine or a film's. If someone is that weak-minded that a film will influence them to smoke then enjoy being a mindless dolt, it doesn't bother me. I don't need to see people smoking in films, but it's going to seem pretty ridiculous when I see a character in a Disney/Miramax film that you <i>know</i> would be a smoker and instead they're chewing gum or sucking a lollipop.

Chad
07-26-07, 02:41 PM
What's next, renaming the film "Secretary" to Administrative Assistant? :rolleyes: Fuckin' PC bullshit gone awry.

j_sutton
07-26-07, 03:49 PM
Does this extend to pipe smoking as well (tobacco pipes, not those other ones, stoners)? There's quite a bit of pipe-smoking in Disney films, all the way up to Davy Jones in the POTC flicks...

I'm gonna miss me some pipe-smoking.

Mabuse
07-26-07, 08:36 PM
Recent Disney family film that depicted smoking: Atlantis

If this is their decision, then so be it. I will start to worry when they start digitally removing the cigarettes from Cruella de Ville and other famouse Disney smokers. There is one disturbing moment on the Fantasia DVD: during the making of documentary they show a famous picture of Walt Disney from the '30s with Walt gazing out his office window at his studio. The picture has been altered to remove the cigarette from his hand. Other Disney docs show the picture unchanged, the altered picture appears only on the Fantasia doc.

It's that kind of stuff that disturbs me.

Seantn
07-26-07, 08:57 PM
Disturbing because you don't want to believe that a man like Disney smoked, right....right?! Don't worry, it's all better now, there's no ciggy in his handys.

Numanoid
07-26-07, 08:59 PM
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/2098/dis_cruella.gif
Someone want to photoshop a walkie-talkie in?

DeputyDave
07-26-07, 11:54 PM
Anyone who has no problem with this should be banned from ever bad mouthing the MPAA's practices ever again.

mrpayroll
07-27-07, 12:02 AM
Disturbing because you don't want to believe that a man like Disney smoked, right....right?! Don't worry, it's all better now, there's no ciggy in his handys.

Actually Disney died of lung cancer in Dec of 1966 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_disney), but the Surgeon Generals Caution: Cigarette Smoking May be Hazardous to Your Health (1966) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_packaging_warning_signs#United_States_of_America) didn't appear until 1966.

I'm sure the majority of smokers at that time didn't realize that smoking was hazardous to their health. I'm sure if the warning had come out in 1926, Disney might have stopped (or never started) smoking and would have lived longer.

Just a thought!

Chris

Supermallet
07-27-07, 07:13 AM
Anyone who has no problem with this should be banned from ever bad mouthing the MPAA's practices ever again.

Disney is a private company who is allowed to run their business any way they want, provided they don't break the law. That's different from the MPAA, who are an external body that impose restrictions on others. Granted, I don't agree with Disney, but it's not an apples to apples comparison.

Snowmaker
07-27-07, 08:19 AM
Well, then enjoy this cartoon while you still can.

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DeputyDave
07-27-07, 05:22 PM
Disney is a private company who is allowed to run their business any way they want, provided they don't break the law. That's different from the MPAA, who are an external body that impose restrictions on others. Granted, I don't agree with Disney, but it's not an apples to apples comparison.It's pretty much the same thing in my book. It is someone other than the director or writer deciding what can and can't be put in their movies. Everyone on this forum is always ranting about preserving the director's original vision, well this is the first step in other studios doing the same thing.

Like I posted in the Premonition thread. That movie was obviously edited to cut out scenes of Sandra smoking. It even went so far as to crop/pan at least two scenes so the cigarette was kept "off camera". Who knows, it may have actually been a better movie before it was tampered with.

Don't let the public's current rabid hate of smoking color your opinion. Next it will be foods high in trans fat, racially insensitive language, religious themes, violence, sex, etc.

Whether it is the MPAA, the studio heads, or the religious groups... it all comes down to the same thing. I realize we need some checks and balances, but why give them more power over the director? This is so easy because smoking is such an easy target, but how much interference will we accept for "the good of society"?

Supermallet
07-27-07, 05:48 PM
I didn't say I agreed with Disney's decision, I'm just pointing out how it's different than the MPAA. If a director wants to depict smoking, they can choose to take their project to a different studio than Disney. This is different from the MPAA, which has power over every studio movie released.

DeputyDave
07-27-07, 06:59 PM
I didn't say I agreed with Disney's decision, I'm just pointing out how it's different than the MPAA. If a director wants to depict smoking, they can choose to take their project to a different studio than Disney. This is different from the MPAA, which has power over every studio movie released.OK, then I'll change my original statement.

Anyone who has no problem with this should never be allowed to complain about anyone (including the MPAA) forcing changes on a director.