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The Bus
07-18-07, 07:44 AM
Eastern Promises
Director: David Cronenberg
Starring: Viggo Mortensen, Naomi Watts, Vincent Cassel

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The film follows the mysterious and ruthless Nikolai (Viggo Mortensen), who is tied to one of London's most notorious organized crime families. His carefully maintained existence is jarred when he crosses paths with Anna (Naomi Watts), an innocent midwife trying to right a wrong, who accidentally uncovers potential evidence against the family.
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IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0765443) | HD Trailer @ Yahoo (http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809794102/video/3182401/) | Wide Release: 14 September 2007

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I guess David likes working with Viggo. This looks great. September's already looking up. First this, then The Kingdom.

Cosmic Bus
07-18-07, 08:10 AM
It looks good for what it is, but I'd like the old Cronenberg to come back.

RagingBull80
07-18-07, 11:51 AM
That looks about as much like a Cronenberg as A History of Violence did. Let's hope this one's better.

JPRaup
07-18-07, 11:55 AM
This was just announced as part of the Toronto Film Festival! Hopefully I can see it there.

project86
07-18-07, 12:37 PM
Don't get me wrong, I love Cronenbergs older flicks, but I really enjoyed HoV. This one looks pretty good as well. I appreciate that he hasn't lost his gore factor even though his movies are more mainstream now.

RichC2
07-18-07, 12:44 PM
Looks great to me. Great cast, great director, interesting story... could be good.

I personally enjoyed A History of Violence a good deal, save for the awkward gratuitous sex scenes.

Zen Peckinpah
07-18-07, 10:19 PM
A History of Violence was Cronenberg's best movie since Dead Ringers or Naked Lunch.

mdc3000
08-18-07, 04:38 PM
I can't wait for this one. I loved A History of Violence and I think Cronenberg looks to be in the zone again with this one. I've got high hopes and the cast is excellent - who would have thought that Viggo Mortensen could end up being Cronenberg's muse :)

GreenVulture
08-18-07, 06:19 PM
For those of you wanting the "old" Cronenberg to come back, Entertainment Weekly had a brief blurb on Eastern Promises this week. Relevant parts:

Has the creator of classic creepfests like Dead Ringers and The Fly officially left his old ways behind? "All of my movies have dealt with crime in the sense of transgression," Cronenberg says. "In the last two, it's more traditional. But creatively, there's a real continuity amongst the films." So, not even one more man-fly creature? For old time's sake? "You get bored with yourself," he says. "I think it's good to get out of your own rut."

Despite the film's "normal" subject matter, [Vincent] Cassel, who plays the scion of the Mafia clan, says the director put his unique stamp on the material. "You have forbidden things in the movie, but it's more about what you think you're seeing than what you really saw," he says. "In that sense, it's a very David Cronenberg movie."

duluthdemon
08-19-07, 01:03 PM
Isn't there an all-nude-dude steamroom fight in this? I recall somwhere mentioning that's the 10-minute cneterpiece of the movie.

DonnachaOne
08-19-07, 01:07 PM
I hope this is good.

If it isn't and it doesn't do well, at least then the old-tyme Cronenberg fans will probably get a man-has-sex-with-a-machine movie soon after.

project86
08-19-07, 03:48 PM
Isn't there an all-nude-dude steamroom fight in this? I recall somwhere mentioning that's the 10-minute cneterpiece of the movie.
Red Heat?

Giles
08-20-07, 08:35 AM
A History of Violence was Cronenberg's best movie since Dead Ringers or Naked Lunch.

I disagree, I thought History was overrated and the ending truly hamfisted. The trailer for his latest didn't impress me in the slightest.

islandclaws
08-20-07, 08:18 PM
Looks awesome. I've been a fan of everything Cronenberg has done and this looks to be no exception. I like Viggo and I LOVE Naomi. Mmmmm.... Naomi. Uh, excuse me for a minute...

Ok, so yea. I'll be seeing this asap.

Supermallet
08-20-07, 08:23 PM
A History of Violence was Cronenberg's best movie since Dead Ringers or Naked Lunch.

It's actually his best since eXistenZ. Can't wait for Eastern Promises.

Arpeggi
09-08-07, 07:15 PM
Comes out next weekend! can't wait.

Joe Molotov
09-08-07, 11:07 PM
Comes out next weekend! can't wait.

Limited release only next week. :(

Zodiac_Speaking
09-09-07, 10:57 AM
How limited?

inri222
09-10-07, 12:34 PM
Thursday, September 13
7:30 p.m.
EASTERN PROMISES
With David Cronenberg in person
Location: Directors Guild Theater, 110 W. 57 Street, Manhattan.
2007, 100 mins., 35mm print courtesy Focus Features. Directed by David Cronenberg. With Viggo Mortensen, Naomi Watts. David Cronenberg (A History of Violence, Videodrome, and Naked Lunch) reinvents the crime movie with this intense psychological thriller about a mysterious man tied to a London crime family and a midwife who has accidentally uncovered evidence against them. Tickets: $12 Museum members/$18 non-members/free for Sponsor level and above. Call 718.784.4520 or order at http://movingimage.us/site/site.php

hardercore
09-10-07, 02:50 PM
History of Violence was great, and Naomi Watts is my favourite actress. So I'm there.

Joe Molotov
09-10-07, 05:37 PM
How limited?

11 screens according to Box Office Mojo, and then expanding to 1200 next Friday.

dpz301
09-10-07, 08:45 PM
sounds pretty good. i really like history of violence.

maingon
09-10-07, 08:54 PM
Will see anything with Watts in it, :)

slop101
09-11-07, 10:30 AM
I've heard the directing and acting in this movie is amazing, but that the script is the movie's weakest element.

asianxcore
09-11-07, 08:31 PM
Can't wait to see this Friday.

RichC2
09-11-07, 09:28 PM
I've heard the directing and acting in this movie is amazing, but that the script is the movie's weakest element.

I keep hearing the script is fine, it's just the overall plot doesn't reach far.

j_sutton
09-13-07, 12:32 AM
Caught a sneak preview of this in Sacramento tonight...

Excellent film, a good follow-up to A History of Violence. Not as brutal as some would suggest. It had intermittent violence, but never really hit the level of its predecessor. Very deliberately-paced, not a fast movie. Viggo of course reigned supreme, he continues to astound with his versatility. And yes, it did have an overdose of Mini-Viggo in the bathhouse scene. Shocking for an American film.

Kudama
09-14-07, 01:34 PM
Yay!!! It's playing 10 minutes walk from my work and 50 minutes after I clock out.:D

Kudama
09-14-07, 10:10 PM
I liked it better than History of Violence. It had (IMO of course) a better story, dialogue and the resolution kicked ass. If this is a spoiler I will cut myself again with a box-cutter: Cronenberg has the absolutely best fake blood I have ever, ever seen in a movie in this one. There wasn’t pervasive violence but when it occurred it seemed as disturbing as it would in life. The naked fight scene is awesome provided the sight of someone else’s penis and scrotum don’t give you fits (I attended 5 years life drawing so I’m kinda over that shit). The nakedness works incredibly well to underscore the vulnerability of the human form to attack.
If you’ve dug Cronenberg’s stuff throughout his whole career, I’d recommend rolling the dice on this one.

About some others’ opinions on the resolution VS mine:
I liked the fact that one character’s resolution might not occur on the same weekend as another’s. IMO it was an awesome ending. Plus…I’m a vodka man. :p )

But seriously: If your SO's express any disdain for violence you will not be getting any props for dragging them to this. Once again-Not a lot but some of the best realistic violence in a while.

Arpeggi
09-15-07, 10:52 PM
Fantastic film from start to finish.


n00b trying to slit someone's throat

Cardiac161
09-15-07, 11:28 PM
Awesome film!!! More meditative in some scenes but never really takes you out of the story. I've never seen any movie before that dwells into some of the rites of passage within the Russian mafia so a lot of it looked so refreshingly ugly (in a positive way).

Though one would expect the "in-your-face" violence from Cronenberg, there were still some parts here that made me wince.

Zodiac_Speaking
09-17-07, 03:16 PM
This finally opens here in my city and its the first film I'll see this w/e. Can't wait!!!

bboisvert
09-17-07, 05:00 PM
I can wait to check this one out... looks GREAT!

baracine
09-18-07, 07:04 AM
Cronenberg and Mortensen have a very strange relationship to say the least. He tells him to ruin his career by taking on increasingly creepy roles, he does it, he tells him to get naked, he gets naked... See this picture: http://findepartie.hautetfort.com/images/medium_Cronenberg_et_Mortensen.JPG

Add to the equation creepy Vincent Cassel who really lives in the shadow of his famous father, Jean-Pierre Cassel, and who is gainfully employed, most of the time, as Monica ("Irréversible") Bellucci's agent/pimp/lover and I'd say Viggo has fallen in with a bad crowd of irresponsible snuff porn addicts/exhibitionists. Wouldn't you?

I wouldn't be surprised if in their next picture together Cronenberg asks Viggo to mount Monica while Vincent looks on. That should sell a few tickets.

bboisvert
09-18-07, 08:47 AM
He tells him to ruin his career by taking on increasingly creepy roles, he does it

Yeah, that often ruins careers. Just ask sir Anthony Hopkins.

he tells him to get naked, he gets naked...

Yep, first actor to do a nude scene too.

See this picture: http://findepartie.hautetfort.com/images/medium_Cronenberg_et_Mortensen.JPG

Are you worried that one of them got cooties?


I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Matthew Ackerly
09-18-07, 09:08 AM
Cronenberg and Mortensen have a very strange relationship to say the least. He tells him to ruin his career by taking on increasingly creepy roles, he does it, he tells him to get naked, he gets naked... See this picture: http://findepartie.hautetfort.com/images/medium_Cronenberg_et_Mortensen.JPG

Add to the equation creepy Vincent Cassel who really lives in the shadow of his famous father, Jean-Pierre Cassel, and who is gainfully employed, most of the time, as Monica ("Irréversible") Bellucci's agent/pimp/lover and I'd say Viggo has fallen in with a bad crowd of irresponsible snuff porn addicts/exhibitionists. Wouldn't you?

I wouldn't be surprised if in their next picture together Cronenberg asks Viggo to mount Monica while Vincent looks on. That should sell a few tickets.



Nice threadcrap. And this has to do with the film, How??

baracine
09-18-07, 10:09 AM
I'm not sure what you're getting at.

I'm getting at nothing. I just thought I'd borrow a page from Cronenberg's book: plant the seeds of doubt and let the mature reader/viewer draw his own conclusions.

There are no easy answers, just easy money.

alfredog1976
09-20-07, 11:51 PM
Saw this tonight...excellent film.

BBEANLPHIE
09-21-07, 04:29 PM
How does this compare to History of Violence? I found HOV to be a good film, but slow film. Is this similar in aspects of action and drama etc?

movieking
09-21-07, 04:50 PM
I loved History of Violence, and can't wait to see this.

As for the relationship mentioned above, I read in a gossip site somewhere that they had a master/slave type of thing going. I don't believe it, but those type of rumours are out there.

Joe Molotov
09-21-07, 05:46 PM
How does this compare to History of Violence? I found HOV to be a good film, but slow film. Is this similar in aspects of action and drama etc?

I thought Eastern Promises was a little bit better than History of Violence, and I didn't think 'Promises' was slow at all. It was pretty intense from start to finish.

JPRaup
09-21-07, 08:55 PM
Chilling mob drama with the bloody, disturbing Cronenberg touch. Mortensen's riveting, subdued performance ranks as one of the best this year. Only negatives are the film itself wasn't groundbreaking or particularly terrific. Just very very good.

8/10

The Bus
09-21-07, 11:03 PM
One of the better films of the year, even if it lacked a bit of substance.

ScandalUMD
09-22-07, 02:03 AM
Cronenberg and Mortensen have a very strange relationship to say the least. He tells him to ruin his career by taking on increasingly creepy roles, he does it, he tells him to get naked, he gets naked... See this picture: http://findepartie.hautetfort.com/images/medium_Cronenberg_et_Mortensen.JPG

Add to the equation creepy Vincent Cassel who really lives in the shadow of his famous father, Jean-Pierre Cassel, and who is gainfully employed, most of the time, as Monica ("Irréversible") Bellucci's agent/pimp/lover and I'd say Viggo has fallen in with a bad crowd of irresponsible snuff porn addicts/exhibitionists. Wouldn't you?

I wouldn't be surprised if in their next picture together Cronenberg asks Viggo to mount Monica while Vincent looks on. That should sell a few tickets.


Do you really think it's a bad career move to star in two films that have enjoyed enormously positive critical reception and hauled in tons of film festival awards? I mean, I can't think of anything that is going to kill a career faster than critical praise and commercial success.

I think you just like to make authoritative pronouncements based on nothing other than your provinicial, narrow sense of good taste.

I can't tell you, though, how pleased I am to know that your tax dollars paid for "Videodrome."

I am a big fan of Cronenberg's more recent work. I like his use of effects in previous films to physically manifest the descent and transformation of his characters as gross deformities, but his recent films have taken a more sophisticated approach to his traditional theme, rather than breaking from it.

In "Spider," the transformation takes place entirely in the character's mind. Likewise, in "A History of Violence," the transformation occurs in a different context, as Joey Cusack remakes himself as Tom Stall, and then seems to revert, with the two personas ultimately blurring the character's identity, in much the same way the brothers' personalities blurred into each other in "Dead Ringers."



"Eastern Promises" continues to meditate on and complicate Cronenberg's central premise. Nikolai and Semyon both transform themselves in ways that conceal rather than explain their natures. I think it's a sign of greater artistic maturity that Cronenberg can advance the discussion using a vernacular of Russian gang tattoos rather than making three decades of films about giant prosthetic deformed vaginas.

I am not sure at all what to make of Kirill's apparent redemption, though. That was entirely unexpected. I think his unrestrained monstrousness was supposed to be juxtaposed with the ostensibly civilized and ultimately more frightening Semyon, but making Kirill complicit in the rape of Tatiana complicates that analysis.

It may be that Cronenberg is suggesting that Kirill, rather than Anna, is the character he identifies with the audience, and thus shames the audience for its titillation at the razor blade killing and dismemberment scenes earlier in the movie by comparing those actions by the killing of the baby. If that's the case, I think he overshoots the mark by placing Kirill at the rape. But then again, you don't go see Cronenberg for his restraint.

islandclaws
09-22-07, 11:01 AM
I really liked this. Granted, it wasn't quite as cerebral or visceral as some of his previous work, but I thought it was (as expected) extremely well made, and with a great cast. What makes Cronenberg films work for me so much at this point is you can feel how comfortable he is behind the camera, so much of the film has a certain warmth to it if that makes any sense. Viggo was awesome in his role. I'm glad he makes good choices when choosing his roles because he's a great actor to watch. Naomi gave a great performance and looked just as good. I really liked Armin a lot. He was so cunning and intense, you never would have guessed who he was right off the bat, as obviously Naomi didn't either.

I would have liked to spend some more time in that world. There were some things that I wanted to have explained further, fleshed out a bit more so to speak. The ending seemed a little abrupt to me. I expected things to go a little further than they did, but overall I thought it was excellent. 8/10.

asianxcore
09-22-07, 04:10 PM
Saw this over the weekend. Easily on my top 10 films of 2007 for sure.

mdc3000
09-22-07, 05:02 PM
Excellent movie and a good follow up after A History of Violence. Top notch performances and lots of Cronenberg's signature elements - only thing that stopped me from really liking it was the overly cold, clinical feel to the whole thing...it felt very - um....Russian. Still one of the years better movies hands down though and the infamous scene lived up to the hype, very intense stuff.

Patman
09-22-07, 08:47 PM
Director David Cronenberg has become a very economical filmmaker, which produced a well-paced film, "Eastern Promises", but not at the expense of sustaining suspense and chills where appropriate.

In London, even the most respectable of establishments can hide some dark secrets and illegal commerce. It is the birth of child by an unwed teen which provides the catalyst for the film, and propels Anna (Naomi Watts), a midwife, into finding a home for the child (mother dies during delivery), and she finds much more in her search, which leads her to encountering Nikolai the driver (Viggo Mortensen, I think almost shoo-in for best actor Oscar nomination), Seymon the Russian emigrant who seemingly hosts dinner parties at his dining establishment (Armin Mueller-Stahl could also nab a best supporting actor nomination), and Kirill the son of Seymon (Vincent Cassel) whose shortcomings somewhat disappoint his father at times.

To say anymore would undercut the story and drama that unfolds, but be assured that it's well-told and entertaining for an adult audience not too squeamish by some bits of well-timed violent encounters.

I give it 3.5 stars, or a grade of B+.

Zodiac_Speaking
09-22-07, 09:37 PM
This film is the most accessible film of Cronenberg's filmography. Viggo gives a great performance, even though the script telegraphs his character true identity. Speaking of the script, its good, but lacks substance that I enjoy seeing in a Cronenberg film. That was pretty disappointing. The film just ends on a note where most will say, "What? That's it?".

But its still better than most of the films this year, but not Top 10 material, maybe Top15 or 20 (if you see that many films-I do).



Grade: B-

Parcher
10-19-07, 07:12 PM
No climax...

dpz301
10-19-07, 09:15 PM
That was pretty disappointing. The film just ends on a note where most will say, "What? That's it?".
i liked this film a lot, but i also agree about the ending, i was confused, excited, and wanting more all at the same time. i think it could have been wrapped up better, oh well.

toddly6666
11-10-07, 05:19 PM
I just saw the movie in the theaters and loved it. If The Departed can get Best Picture, then I hope this movie gets best picture, because Cronenberg deserves it, Cassel deserves it, and Mortenson deserve it. I'm so sick of Italian mafia movies, I would like to see more Russian mafia movies, because after all, they are more viscious than the Italians.

I have some spoiler questions:


1. I liked the ending, but I feel that Eastern Promises could certainly become a Russian Godfather trilogy. It was as complete a movie as The Godfather was, but I would like to see what would become of all the characters. The other weasly crime boss certainly deserved to get wacked. I would like Cronenberg to make a sequel or trilogy. The movie's ending felt more like "just the beginning of more things to come."

2. And to clarify something which the movie got wrong, since my wife is Russian and clarified it for me, the term described as this Russian mafia - vory v zakone ("thieves in law") - actually means what it says. The Vory V Zakone are basically just those Training Day-type corrupt police/govt. officials. And Russian mafia is separate. Russian mafia is just the mafia, and Vory V Zakone are corrupt Russian police. The main Russian mafia family in the movie are just Russian mafia. So they shouldn't be called Vory V Zakone. As described on wikipedia.org, Russian mafia and Vory V Zakone are not synonyms for each other. Sure the two groups may deal with each other obviously, but they are two separate groups.

wilky61
12-29-07, 02:11 AM
Just watched this and I'd say it's my new favorite film of 2007. I had shaky expectations for it because I'd heard a lot of people say it was a borefest, but about 25 or so minutes in I realized that it was not boring at all and in fact that I was quite captivated by it. From about that point on in the movie, I was kinda on the edge of my seat with anticipation, expecting a really great film. And this delivered.

I thought the plot was one of the most compelling ones I've seen in a long time, and that the acting performance and stage presence Viggo commands in this movie is immaculate, most notably culminating in the Lost in Translation-esque kiss at the end of the film. I also really liked the final contemplative shot of Viggo at the movie's end, I've always been a big fan of contemplative endings like that (Godfather 3, anybody?).

Fantastic movie.

slop101
12-29-07, 02:26 AM
I liked it just fine, but thought that Viggo being an undercover agent was a bit of a cop-out, especially from someone like Cronenberg. And as Zodiac mentions above, it didn't have the depth typical to a Cronie film.

PopcornTreeCt
12-29-07, 12:43 PM
I liked it just fine, but thought that Viggo being an undercover agent was a bit of a cop-out, especially from someone like Cronenberg. And as Zodiac mentions above, it didn't have the depth typical to a Cronie film.

I agree with your spoiler. Couldn't they have just made him a character with a heart rather than a job? I thought the film was pretty good but nothing spectacular, Cassel was the most interesting to me. Cronenberg's last flick was a lot better.

project86
12-29-07, 01:06 PM
Honestly, I thought it ended rather good. The only way they could've ended it with the spoiler mentioned above is if it was another hour longer probably. I think they just wanted a short sweet movie.

I guess I'm the only one who think it ended perfect, without any confusion.

Rival11
12-30-07, 02:32 PM
Saw it last night and loved it - DC best film to date.....IMO (The guy just keeps getting better and better).

The ending did piss me off - just left WAY too many things unresolved.

Most people hate the fact that he was undercover but I think it added so much more depth to the character......look at how far he is willing to go, look at how cool he plays it....etc

The Bus
12-30-07, 03:16 PM
No climax...

Uh... the bathhouse sequence?

Original Desmond
12-30-07, 04:01 PM
man that fight in the sauna room was one of the best fight scenes ever !

Rival11
12-30-07, 10:25 PM
I think I'm actually going to buy this one...can't get it out of my head and I want to see if I can take something further away from that ending.

So far...By the look on Vito's face....it looks like he has not discussed his attempted murder with the boss and they both are letting it ride...for now. When Vito is hyping Krill up so he won't kill the baby, It comes off as his first attempt (Vito's first attempt) at overthrowing the boss. My big question is why the boss decided on making Vito then ambushing him pretty much immediately. Guess they wanted to use him as the pawn by giving him stars then getting his son off the hook - but why Vito? Did the boss know that he did not kill the girls Father? This would be grounds for getting him out of the picture because he went against direct orders and maybe the boss knew he was lying right after Vito said "Yes" to offing him - man, now that I think about it.......I really like the ending!!!!!! Damn I hope they make a sequel.

nateman
12-31-07, 10:38 AM
man that fight in the sauna room was one of the best fight scenes ever !
I thought that fight scene in the sauna room was the best part of the movie, IMO.

Overall, I thought Eastern Promises was pretty good. It started off slow, and stayed slow for longer than I liked, but as the movie progressed, it got very entertaining. Great performances by the whole cast. Viggo Mortensen was the star of the film, no doubt.

I've only seen this movie, out of the ones that have been nominated for a Golden Globe. I still need to see (waiting for the DVD releases) No Country for Old Men, American Gangster and Michael Clayton, So I can judge if it should be the winner or not. Still, bloody good stuff.

I'd give it 3 1/2 out of 5 stars.

kantonburg
12-31-07, 10:10 PM
I watched this tonight. Excellent film. I also hope there is a continuation of this film. Only if Croenberg does the sequel.

Tarantino
01-01-08, 06:51 PM
Liked it.

= J

Artman
01-01-08, 07:37 PM
man that fight in the sauna room was one of the best fight scenes ever !

Yeah, definitely my favorite scene. Was anyone else just laughing all the way thru it? I think it was the nudity and the over-the-top ness of it all... I just found it hilarious.

Rival11
01-01-08, 10:11 PM
Not sure of the credibility but......DC would love to do a sequel:

Sequel Talk (http://www.reelzchannel.com/article/435/cronenberg-discusses-fly-opera-and-eastern-promises-sequel)

Giantrobo
01-02-08, 01:48 AM
I just rented this and i liked it. I'm glad Viggo and Watts didn't get together because that would've been a typical Hollywood move and pretty boring. They were "2 ships crossing in the night", as Cronenberg said in the feature on the dvd, and I think it works better this way. Also, I was kinda surprised at how Cassel's character was at the end. It seemed like there was going to be some kind of showdown between him and Viggo but again, the story didn't take the typical Hollywood route with this and I could appreciate that.

filmerp
01-13-08, 09:14 PM
Finally saw this tonight and loved the direction and performances. However, I had a hard time reconciling the following plot point:

If the young girl was forced to take morning-after pills to prevent pregnancy after she was raped, what's to stop her traffickers from forcing an abortion or otherwise terminate her pregnancy since she was under the watch of the Vor V Zakone? Kirill had mentioned that the police had come in to take away the girl that Nikolai had sex with earlier, calling her "our women", so I assume the mafia controlls the brothel. If so, and Seymon was so concerned about anyone finding out about his fathering of the child, then why would they have let the baby come to term in the first place?

pridesticks06
01-13-08, 09:28 PM
Rented it and watched it. Mixed opinions, ending was confusing. I'll probably have to give it another go before I can judge it much more.

mike2
01-14-08, 07:49 PM
Eh it was good until the ambiguous ending. Viggo made the movie though.

project86
01-18-08, 04:03 AM
Am I the only one who understood the ending and thought it was fine? What's so confusing to you?

inri222
01-18-08, 09:28 AM
Analysis on EP
Warning: Contains spoilers

http://www.davidbordwell.net/blog/?p=1412

Charlie Goose
01-31-08, 08:05 AM
I liked it very much, despite the non-ending. It's one of those movies that stays with you.

More Cronenberg/Mortensen collaborations! They're 2 for 2!

HE Pennypacker
01-31-08, 12:34 PM
So this Cronenberg fellow isn't high on subtlety is he? Both History of Violence and now this. I can recall several scenes in Easter Promises that could have worked just as effectively sans the excessive violence.

Not a bad flick, not good either.

riotinmyskull
01-31-08, 12:38 PM
^excessive violence? have you ever seen a cronenberg movie other than the 2 you mentioned?

hardercore
01-31-08, 12:39 PM
So this Cronenberg fellow isn't high on subtlety is he? Both History of Violence and now this. I can recall several scenes in Easter Promises that could have worked just as effectively sans the excessive violence.

Not a bad flick, not good either.That's his "thing". Graphic violence has been a Cronenberg staple throughout his entire career ... in fact, some would even argue he's toned it down significantly for his more recent films. It's like complaining about the shaky camera in a Greengrass picture.

HE Pennypacker
01-31-08, 12:41 PM
^excessive violence? have you ever seen a cronenberg movie other than the 2 you mentioned?

Obviously not.

Matthew Ackerly
01-31-08, 12:42 PM
So this Cronenberg fellow isn't high on subtlety is he? Both History of Violence and now this. I can recall several scenes in Easter Promises that could have worked just as effectively sans the excessive violence.

Not a bad flick, not good either.


LOL - "this Cronenberg fellow.."

He's been making films for 30 plus years.

flixtime
03-02-08, 01:43 PM
I was a little slow in getting to "Eastern Promises" for two reasons...primarily because I couldn't find a satisfactory price when it was first released on DVD and second because "A History of Violence" didn't impress me nearly as much as it did most others.

With that out of the way, "Eastern Promises" was a very pleasant surprise and I easily preferred it over "A History of Violence". Reading through I see that some were not too fond of the abrupt ending, as for myself I thought the ending worked just fine. Viggo Mortensen and Armin Mueller-Stahl were solid in their respective roles. I'd be real interested in seeing a continuation of the story...aka a sequel.

Rival11
03-02-08, 06:00 PM
That's his "thing". Graphic violence has been a Cronenberg staple throughout his entire career ... in fact, some would even argue he's toned it down significantly for his more recent films. It's like complaining about the shaky camera in a Greengrass picture.

"You don't just get sliced in a Cronenberg film, you get carved"

LickTheABCs
03-30-09, 05:12 PM
bump for a sequel.

MTV News spoke to director David Cronenberg (The Fly, A History of Violence), who revealed that he is thinking of making a sequel to the 2007 "Easter Promises" film, which stars Viggo Mortensen as a Russian gangster named Nikolai.

"It's the first time I've ever been in a situation where I actually want to do a sequel to something," he admitted. "I've never had the desire to do that before. But in this case, I thought we had unfinished business with those characters. I didn't feel that we had finished with Nikolai and we had done a lot of research that was more than we could stuff into that one movie."

Cronenberg added that many of original people are returning for the sequel, including himself, writer Steven Knight, producer Paul Webster, Focus Features and Mortensen, who received a Best Actor Oscar nomination for his role.

"We are moving forward with it. We all are excited about the idea of doing a sequel," said Cronenberg. "We are going to have a meeting very soon between me, Steve Knight and Paul Webster to discuss what the script would be. I have some very strong ideas about what I would like to see, but I would like to hear what they have to say as well. And then after that, if all goes well, Steve goes away and writes a great script. If we all like it, we make it."

I really liked EP so I'm excited for this.

islandclaws
03-30-09, 05:17 PM
Wow, I'm very surprised to read about Cronenberg doing any kind of sequel. I really, really liked EP so this is good news. I attended a q&a with him at the Arclight after this film and he expressed interest in continuing with the characters. Glad to hear it might happen.

Dr Mabuse
03-30-09, 05:17 PM
This is good news.

I can see a terrific movie coming out of Viggo being the 'man behind the man' for Vincent, the new family boss. The way the whole thing goes down.

dino88
03-30-09, 05:19 PM
^It's nice to see someone doing a sequel for the right reasons, which is rare these days. I wasn't in the States when it was released but I'm assuming it wasn't a big hit at the box office. If I'm correct with that assumption that's awesome that he's willing to do a sequel for the love of the characters and not for an easy payout. I'll be there, can't wait.

NoirFan
03-30-09, 07:34 PM
Interesting news - this could be the very rare sequel that doesn't suck. LickTheABC's, you might want to start a new thread.

Tarantino
03-30-09, 09:10 PM
<b>Easter</b> Promises?

Now <i>that</i> would be interesting.

= J

EdTheRipper
03-30-09, 10:08 PM
I liked the first so I'd definitely see a sequel.

riotinmyskull
03-30-09, 10:35 PM
so is he still doing that movie with tom cruise and denzel?

NoirFan
03-30-09, 10:44 PM
I created a new thread for the sequel:

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/movie-talk/552539-eastern-promises-2-cronenberg.html

RocShemp
03-30-09, 10:52 PM
Not too excited about a sequel. I thought Eastern Promises was decent but far too predictable. I felt A History Of Violence was much better (too bad the BD is apparently crap). I'd rather he tackle a new subject but with the same cast and crew.

inri222
02-17-14, 12:00 PM
Saw it again last night and it is still as good as when I first saw it in the movies. The performances from Vincent Cassel, Naomi Watts & Armin Mueller-Stahl are all good but it is Viggo Mortensen who steals the show with his thick Russian accent and jailhouse tattoos. Cronenberg does it again.

4.5/5