Is Reality TV Over?
06-17-07, 10:10 PM
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Is Reality TV Over?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19235360/site/newsweek/
The author mentions The Amazing Race is a Mark Burnett franchise. I don't think this is true.
I've been reading articles since 2001 about how reality tv is dead/or is about to be dead. We are in the year 2007 and Reality TV is still alive and well. American Idol is the number 1 rated show on TV and I feel comfortable saying (as long as the same 3 judges and host stay on) American Idol will continue to be a Top 20 show even 5 years from now. I believe Survivor is still a top 20 show. Big Brother does well in the Summer. If Reality TV is about to be over, why do we still see Reality TV shows on network TV? Because there's an audience for it.
The author mentions The Amazing Race is a Mark Burnett franchise. I don't think this is true.
I've been reading articles since 2001 about how reality tv is dead/or is about to be dead. We are in the year 2007 and Reality TV is still alive and well. American Idol is the number 1 rated show on TV and I feel comfortable saying (as long as the same 3 judges and host stay on) American Idol will continue to be a Top 20 show even 5 years from now. I believe Survivor is still a top 20 show. Big Brother does well in the Summer. If Reality TV is about to be over, why do we still see Reality TV shows on network TV? Because there's an audience for it.
06-17-07, 10:31 PM
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If reality TV was only aired in the summer so that the networks could have new programming instead of reruns I really wouldn't have a problem with it... I just hate how it seems that there is a lack of good programming nowadays, and all the shows that I like and are good get canceled just so they can air "Do you want to date a 500 pound virgin that's smarter than a 5th grader?"
It makes me sick.
It makes me sick.
06-17-07, 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeremy517
Survivor and Amazing Race aren't reality shows, they're game shows.
Well, there's those who consider game shows as a form of reality show...real people competing for real prizes.
06-17-07, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeremy517
Survivor and Amazing Race aren't reality shows, they're game shows.
06-18-07, 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by calhoun07
Well, there's those who consider game shows as a form of reality show...real people competing for real prizes.
06-18-07, 01:29 AM
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LA Times weighs in:
Reality is tough, even for this guy
HERE'S a good example of Hollywood power. Just as we were getting ready to chat with reality TV super-producer Mark Burnett about the ratings woes for recent efforts such as "Pirate Master" and "On the Lot," the phone rang with an unexpected call. It was Ben Silverman, the newly tapped co-chairman of NBC Entertainment, who wanted to make sure we knew that he thought Burnett was a "phenomenal" producer.
In fact, Silverman added, he'd even made it a priority to revive Burnett's "The Apprentice," the once-phenomenal Donald Trump show that as recently as last month looked destined to bite the dust at NBC.
Don't you wish your friends had your back like this?
That Burnett is still a major force cannot be denied. "Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader?," his goofy Fox game show with Jeff Foxworthy, was one of the very few successful new series introduced last season and has already spawned multiple overseas incarnations. Burnett's minions are toiling away on production for the 15th edition of his signature "Survivor" franchise, which will bow this fall with claims to be the first American TV series shot entirely in China. Meanwhile, ratings for this month's MTV Movie Awards, which he produced, climbed 12% in total viewers (to 3.6 million, according to Nielsen Media Research), and Burnett said he'll "probably" do the awards telecast again next year.
Even detractors give Burnett props for production values that have made his shows the gold standard of network TV reality. "I've never delivered anything that doesn't look good; that's important," he said last week.
Still, the past few weeks have brought grim tidings, notwithstanding the fact that summer, when networks generally refrain from airing original episodes of their most popular scripted shows, is often Burnett's time to shine.
"On the Lot," a heavily publicized contest for aspiring filmmakers that Burnett produced in collaboration with Steven Spielberg, yielded such anemic ratings that Fox scaled back the twice-weekly airings. Viewers have likewise shunned CBS' "Pirate Master," a kitschy adventure based on a fictional pirate tale in which nonactors (i.e., allegedly ordinary folk) play the roles. And though Burnett denies it, a source close to the situation says that "Rock Star," a talent search that in Season 2 last summer brought erstwhile Mötley Crüe drummer Tommy Lee and his colorful pals to prime time, almost certainly won't return to CBS. It thus joins Burnett's previous big-ticket network flops, "Casino" and "The Contender."
A cocky former British paratrooper (among his many stated achievements is having helped keep the Falklands safe and free for Her Majesty), Burnett is a talented, energetic and extraordinarily shrewd salesman for both himself and his shows. But he's trying to take a more philosophical view in these chastening times.
"Nobody is 100% on success," he said. "If you look at my success rate, it's probably higher than most." Then he went back to reeling off the many high points hit this year by "5th Grader" and "Survivor."
Producers rise and producers fall. That's the nature of the TV business. But partly because he's played such a central role in popularizing the circus that is unscripted entertainment, Burnett and the vicissitudes of his career are of more than passing interest. Do his current difficulties signal the beginning of the end for the broadcast reality craze that he nearly single-handedly launched seven summers ago with the first "Survivor?" Or is there something particular about Burnett's productions that viewers are beginning to turn away from? If something is toppling, is it the genre or the career? Or are both just in what coaches would call a rebuilding phase?
Mike Darnell, who has overseen Fox's reality offerings for years (and who won't comment on reports he's mulling an offer for a more expansive post at NBC under Silverman), insists that the genre is just as popular as it ever was — after all, Fox's "American Idol" was once again the No. 1 show of last season. Furthermore, all producers have winning and losing streaks, Darnell says. He adds, though, that the ground is shifting and hits are getting harder to come by.
"Even I can't keep track of how many reality shows there are these days," said Darnell, whose experience includes "On the Lot" as well as such classic unscripted gems as "Celebrity Boxing" and "When Animals Attack." "The world has become extraordinarily competitive in the last three years."
True enough. But it's also evident that lately Burnett has trained his considerable talents on some dubious projects. At his best, with series such as "Eco-Challenge" and "Survivor," Burnett combined two viewer needs into one appealing package: the thirst for exotic, escapist adventure and the desire to get ahead in the duller, workaday world. It was like someone made a TV show by marrying Outside magazine with Fortune magazine.
Other Burnett endeavors aren't as inspired, though, which networks sometimes come to realize too late. "On the Lot" provides a good example. Given the pedigree involved, Fox hoped the show would do for moviemaking what "Idol" did for pop music. But the poor ratings validated the qualms of some rival executives, who felt the conceit was too close to "Project Greenlight," the series about competing young filmmakers that aired on HBO and later Bravo.
"It's a narrow concept," Darnell said of "On the Lot." "It's a little bit 'inside.' … It's about the making of movies, [which is] maybe not as interesting to people."
Burnett admitted, "The show hasn't delivered on the ratings we'd hoped." But he notes that reality shows can usually survive on far lower ratings than scripted series, simply because they cost less to make. "An expensive reality show costs half what a cheap scripted show costs," he said.
Indeed, it's characteristic of Burnett — and perhaps a key component of his success — that in discussing his recent woes, he'll cop to nothing more than a momentary blip in his career ascendancy, a brief lull before the roller coaster resumes its upward trek. When I asked if perhaps he'd overextended himself, for example, he immediately replied, "Not at all. We have a big staff."
Besides, he said, "If I want my producers to be show runners, we have to have properties to run." In other words, they must make all these shows, because his people need jobs. And given his still-enviable track record, network bosses are still content to create those jobs. And, yes, make the supportive phone calls to columnists. A few more "Pirate Masters," and that might not be the case. But it's true for now.
"I just try to do things that I think are fun," Burnett said.
Reality is tough, even for this guy
HERE'S a good example of Hollywood power. Just as we were getting ready to chat with reality TV super-producer Mark Burnett about the ratings woes for recent efforts such as "Pirate Master" and "On the Lot," the phone rang with an unexpected call. It was Ben Silverman, the newly tapped co-chairman of NBC Entertainment, who wanted to make sure we knew that he thought Burnett was a "phenomenal" producer.
In fact, Silverman added, he'd even made it a priority to revive Burnett's "The Apprentice," the once-phenomenal Donald Trump show that as recently as last month looked destined to bite the dust at NBC.
Don't you wish your friends had your back like this?
That Burnett is still a major force cannot be denied. "Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader?," his goofy Fox game show with Jeff Foxworthy, was one of the very few successful new series introduced last season and has already spawned multiple overseas incarnations. Burnett's minions are toiling away on production for the 15th edition of his signature "Survivor" franchise, which will bow this fall with claims to be the first American TV series shot entirely in China. Meanwhile, ratings for this month's MTV Movie Awards, which he produced, climbed 12% in total viewers (to 3.6 million, according to Nielsen Media Research), and Burnett said he'll "probably" do the awards telecast again next year.
Even detractors give Burnett props for production values that have made his shows the gold standard of network TV reality. "I've never delivered anything that doesn't look good; that's important," he said last week.
Still, the past few weeks have brought grim tidings, notwithstanding the fact that summer, when networks generally refrain from airing original episodes of their most popular scripted shows, is often Burnett's time to shine.
"On the Lot," a heavily publicized contest for aspiring filmmakers that Burnett produced in collaboration with Steven Spielberg, yielded such anemic ratings that Fox scaled back the twice-weekly airings. Viewers have likewise shunned CBS' "Pirate Master," a kitschy adventure based on a fictional pirate tale in which nonactors (i.e., allegedly ordinary folk) play the roles. And though Burnett denies it, a source close to the situation says that "Rock Star," a talent search that in Season 2 last summer brought erstwhile Mötley Crüe drummer Tommy Lee and his colorful pals to prime time, almost certainly won't return to CBS. It thus joins Burnett's previous big-ticket network flops, "Casino" and "The Contender."
A cocky former British paratrooper (among his many stated achievements is having helped keep the Falklands safe and free for Her Majesty), Burnett is a talented, energetic and extraordinarily shrewd salesman for both himself and his shows. But he's trying to take a more philosophical view in these chastening times.
"Nobody is 100% on success," he said. "If you look at my success rate, it's probably higher than most." Then he went back to reeling off the many high points hit this year by "5th Grader" and "Survivor."
Producers rise and producers fall. That's the nature of the TV business. But partly because he's played such a central role in popularizing the circus that is unscripted entertainment, Burnett and the vicissitudes of his career are of more than passing interest. Do his current difficulties signal the beginning of the end for the broadcast reality craze that he nearly single-handedly launched seven summers ago with the first "Survivor?" Or is there something particular about Burnett's productions that viewers are beginning to turn away from? If something is toppling, is it the genre or the career? Or are both just in what coaches would call a rebuilding phase?
Mike Darnell, who has overseen Fox's reality offerings for years (and who won't comment on reports he's mulling an offer for a more expansive post at NBC under Silverman), insists that the genre is just as popular as it ever was — after all, Fox's "American Idol" was once again the No. 1 show of last season. Furthermore, all producers have winning and losing streaks, Darnell says. He adds, though, that the ground is shifting and hits are getting harder to come by.
"Even I can't keep track of how many reality shows there are these days," said Darnell, whose experience includes "On the Lot" as well as such classic unscripted gems as "Celebrity Boxing" and "When Animals Attack." "The world has become extraordinarily competitive in the last three years."
True enough. But it's also evident that lately Burnett has trained his considerable talents on some dubious projects. At his best, with series such as "Eco-Challenge" and "Survivor," Burnett combined two viewer needs into one appealing package: the thirst for exotic, escapist adventure and the desire to get ahead in the duller, workaday world. It was like someone made a TV show by marrying Outside magazine with Fortune magazine.
Other Burnett endeavors aren't as inspired, though, which networks sometimes come to realize too late. "On the Lot" provides a good example. Given the pedigree involved, Fox hoped the show would do for moviemaking what "Idol" did for pop music. But the poor ratings validated the qualms of some rival executives, who felt the conceit was too close to "Project Greenlight," the series about competing young filmmakers that aired on HBO and later Bravo.
"It's a narrow concept," Darnell said of "On the Lot." "It's a little bit 'inside.' … It's about the making of movies, [which is] maybe not as interesting to people."
Burnett admitted, "The show hasn't delivered on the ratings we'd hoped." But he notes that reality shows can usually survive on far lower ratings than scripted series, simply because they cost less to make. "An expensive reality show costs half what a cheap scripted show costs," he said.
Indeed, it's characteristic of Burnett — and perhaps a key component of his success — that in discussing his recent woes, he'll cop to nothing more than a momentary blip in his career ascendancy, a brief lull before the roller coaster resumes its upward trek. When I asked if perhaps he'd overextended himself, for example, he immediately replied, "Not at all. We have a big staff."
Besides, he said, "If I want my producers to be show runners, we have to have properties to run." In other words, they must make all these shows, because his people need jobs. And given his still-enviable track record, network bosses are still content to create those jobs. And, yes, make the supportive phone calls to columnists. A few more "Pirate Masters," and that might not be the case. But it's true for now.
"I just try to do things that I think are fun," Burnett said.
06-18-07, 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by dvd182
Yeah, it depends how we're defining reality tv. Game shows will probably be on for quite a while, in some form, but I still pray for the day that the public gets tired of the "Real World/Laguna Beach" style reality shows.
06-18-07, 09:22 AM
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It does seem that they're running out of ideas. That Pirates show? "Survivor" on a boat. On the Lot? "American Idol" with film directors.
There needs to be some new, fresh ideas out there. Haven't seen one for a while.
There needs to be some new, fresh ideas out there. Haven't seen one for a while.
06-18-07, 12:15 PM
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God I hope so, but apparently people love watching other people sing badly, act badly, scheme, backstab and cheat.
Thank god they're getting rid of all that scripted stuff (you know, the stuff that genuinely talented people do) for this voyeuristic garbage.
Thank god they're getting rid of all that scripted stuff (you know, the stuff that genuinely talented people do) for this voyeuristic garbage.
