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grundle
06-13-07, 10:53 AM
This article shows how wasteful and incompetent the Washington D.C. public school system is.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/09/AR2007060901415.html?hpid=topnews

Can D.C. Schools Be Fixed?

After decades of reforms, three out of four students fall below math standards. More money is spent running the schools than on teaching. And urgent repair jobs take more than a year . . .

By Dan Keating and V. Dion Haynes

Washington Post Staff Writers

Sunday, June 10, 2007; Page A01

Kelly Miller Middle School opened its doors in a struggling Northeast Washington neighborhood in 2004, a $35 million showcase for the District's public schools, every classroom equipped with a whiteboard and computers. A particular source of pride was a media production room, where students could broadcast announcements and produce programs to be viewed on TVs wired in each classroom.

Three years later, there have been no broadcasts. The room still needs a last, critical piece of equipment, which fell into a bureaucratic chasm. Until a few days ago, the principal had never been told what the part was or when it was coming. For now, the $150,000 production room is a storage closet for unused books and furniture.

As Mayor Adrian M. Fenty (D) prepares this week to become the first Washington mayor with direct control of the schools, his team promises a clean slate and a rapid turnaround. Yet a detailed assessment of the state of the school system, based on extensive public records, suggests that the challenge is enormous: The system is among the highest-spending and worst-performing in the nation. Kelly Miller is one small example of a breakdown in most of the basic functions that are meant to support classroom learning.

· Tests show that in reading and math, the District's public school students score at the bottom among 11 major city school systems, even when poor children are compared only with other poor children. Thirty-three percent of poor fourth-graders across the nation lacked basic skills in math, but in the District, the figure was 62 percent. It was 74 percent for D.C. eighth-graders, compared with 49 percent nationally.

· The District spends $12,979 per pupil each year, ranking it third-highest among the 100 largest districts in the nation. But most of that money does not get to the classroom. D.C. schools rank first in the share of the budget spent on administration, last in spending on teachers and instruction.

· Principals reporting dangerous conditions or urgently needed repairs in their buildings wait, on average, 379 days -- a year and two weeks -- for the problems to be fixed. Of 146 school buildings, 113 have a repair request pending for a leaking roof, a Washington Post analysis of school records shows.

· The schools spent $25 million on a computer system to manage personnel that had to be discarded because there was no accurate list of employees to use as a starting point. The school system relies on paper records stacked in 200 cardboard boxes to keep track of its employees, and in some cases is five years behind in processing staff paperwork. It also lacks an accurate list of its 55,000-plus students, although it pays $900,000 to a consultant each year to keep count.

· Many students and teachers spend their days in an environment hostile to learning. Just over half of teenage students attend schools that meet the District's definition of "persistently dangerous" because of the number of violent crimes, according to an analysis of school reports. Across the city, nine violent incidents are reported on a typical day, including fights and attacks with weapons. Fire officials receive about one complaint a week of locked fire doors, and health inspections show that more than a third of schools have been infested by mice.

"I don't know if anybody knows the magnitude of problems at D.C. public schools. It's mind-boggling," said Abdusalam Omer, the school system's chief business operations officer, who was hired in February to tackle payroll, purchasing, personnel and repair operations.

Omer, who worked for the schools as chief financial officer a decade ago, said little has changed.

"It's like I've been in a coma for 10 years and just woke up," said Omer, who left the schools to be chief of staff to former mayor Anthony A. Williams (D) and then worked in Kenya for the United Nations.

He said that when he walked into the personnel office this year, it was "strikingly scary" to find the mountain of boxes holding files on more than 11,000 employees.

The pressures on the schools to succeed have increased in recent years as a congressionally mandated experiment with independent, publicly funded charter schools has taken root. Viewed by proponents as a way to both improve the traditional public schools and give parents an option, charters have proven to be uneven in quality but hugely popular. Nearly one-fourth of public school students now attend the city's 55 charters, and because funding follows the students, regular public schools with shrinking enrollment are losing funds.

MacFarland Middle School off Georgia Avenue in Northwest, for example, is surrounded by charters, and enrollment has dropped from more than 600 to about 300 in two years.

"I don't try to compete with them anymore," said Antonia Peters, in her ninth year as MacFarland's principal. "I try to work with the kids that we have. Most of my students are ELL [English language learners] or special education, but they take the same test as mainstream kids in English. It's hard if you don't know the language or have special needs, but we're held to the same standards."

As with many other schools across the city, her program has been pared to the basics, with foreign language and art classes gone from the curriculum.

She reaches out to community groups to bolster her resources for instruction. A former employee volunteers to watch over students who have been suspended so they don't have to be sent home. Peters can't hire an art teacher, but a custodian at the school with a flair for art, Kenneth McCrory, helps students paint portraits before he cleans the building.

'Below Ground Zero'

Like school districts in most large cities, Washington's faces daunting problems, including a large population of students from poor families living in troubled neighborhoods. About three-fourths of elementary students are poor enough to qualify for free or reduced-price lunches.

Across the city, dedicated teachers and principals work every day to help non-English speaking children learn to read, challenge bright students to stay engaged and provide a secure refuge for children coping with damaged families.

Superintendent Clifford B. Janey -- the sixth superintendent in a decade -- said he is making steady progress and hopes that new test results, to be released in the coming months, will show significant gains in achievement.

He and others point to pockets of excellence: The predominately low-income students in a French program at J.O. Wilson Elementary School in Northeast consistently finish near the top in national competitions, the number of students taking Advanced Placement classes has increased by nearly one-third in the past three years, and the rate of graduates going to college has doubled since 1999, according to one study.

In his nearly three years in the District, Janey has drawn praise for imposing rigorous systemwide standards on what should be taught at each grade, a curriculum to accomplish that and a testing program to measure its success. That reversed a trend of letting each school set its own path, which was widely criticized in education circles.

Janey said he inherited not only poor classroom performance, but an agency where the computers didn't work, the payroll was a mess, schools lacked supplies and textbooks arrived months late.

"We were at or below ground zero and had been hovering there for some length of time," he said. "We are not in denial. We are doing the work in spite of that. That's the proposition we were given. It's an obstacle, but it hasn't paralyzed us to distract from our core mission. I'll be damned if it'll paralyze us."

For years, debates about the quality of city schools revolved around a central question: Does lagging academic achievement -- two out of three students are not proficient in reading and three out of four are not proficient in math -- merely reflect the high number of students who are poor and unprepared for learning? Or are other urban districts with similar student populations better at improving performance?

That question finally has an answer, thanks to an expansion of a federal program that tests student achievement across the country. The National Assessment of Educational Progress, or NAEP, had been reporting results by state since 1990, but in recent years began isolating test scores from selected urban school systems.

Eleven city school districts were tested in 2005, including New York, Boston, Atlanta, Cleveland, Miami and Chicago, as well as the District. The Washington Post's analysis of the data shows that D.C. students ranked last or were tied for last on every measure. That is true even when poor children in the District are compared only with poor children in, say, Atlanta.

Indeed, on almost every cut of the scores, District students finished at the bottom, including students who were not poor and whose parents were better educated.

The one group that scored well was white students, creating the widest gap between white and minority students among the cities tested. The District's white students, who make up 6 percent of the school population, tend to be affluent and are concentrated in a few schools.

The test results from NAEP combined students from public and charter schools. The Post's analysis, separating out the charter results for the first time, turned up a significant change: D.C. charters had lower scores in both reading and math in 2003, but they moved slightly past the other public schools in both subjects in 2005.

This could mean either that charters are able to do more for their students or that charters are simply drawing the best students from the public schools.

Overall, District scores improved slightly between 2003 and 2005, the latest results available. But those in the other urban districts improved more, leaving Washington at the bottom.

A Voice From the Gym

Benjamin Hosch arrived from Chester, Pa., to become principal at Theodore Roosevelt High School in 2005 and quickly decided he didn't have "the level and caliber" of staff he needed. Only one in six students were meeting the basic standards. He thought he'd scored a coup when "one of the best math teachers in the District" agreed to come from a charter school. He sent the paperwork downtown, but the hiring was delayed so long the teacher took a job elsewhere.

Hosch was disgusted by the filth at the 75-year-old school on 13th Street Northwest. "No one has ever walked in my building in my career as a principal and said my building looked dirty -- until I got here," he said.

He tried to get rid of his custodians, only to find that the personnel office put them back in his school because there were no openings elsewhere. And the office failed to fill three teacher openings in core subjects by the time school opened.

But when he questions the office on why things have been going off track, Hosch said, "the things people say to me don't make sense."

Just around the corner from Roosevelt, at Powell Elementary School, Principal Lucia Vega said she has had to "warehouse" at least one unwanted staffer.

Walking down the hallway recently, Vega stopped and commented: "Hear that singing? Coming from the gym?" said Vega as a lone voice echoed down the hallway. "That's my literacy coach." The coach "was given to me" by the central office, Vega said, adding that the coach does not work with students, and, in Vega's view, doesn't contribute much to the school. "That person is totally useless. . . . That $80,000 is something I could have used for my students."

The coach, Cheryl Mabry, said she has been with the schools for 34 years and has been trained to help teachers work with students who are struggling to read and write. She said she was sent by the central office to Powell because, like most D.C. public schools, it did not meet academic targets.

"As far as what I'm doing, I think I'm making an impact," Mabry said, but she does not expect to be back next year. "Ms. Vega has other ideas. I don't think I fit into her plans."

When Vega was informed last year that she had overspent her budget, she knew something was wrong and visited the regional administrative office to check the ledger. There, she discovered that her budget included salaries for two teachers who did not work at her school and whom she had never heard of. The personnel office, for unknown reasons, had assigned them to her payroll.

Staff problems go beyond how teachers are deployed. Citywide, fewer than half of core courses are taught by teachers who are considered "highly qualified" in their subject, which requires that they have earned a degree or passed a competency test in that subject. Nationally, the numbers are worse in only one state -- Alaska. In most states, the figure was over 90 percent.

Within the District, teachers are less likely to meet this "highly qualified" standard at schools with poorer students, according to a Post analysis.

At Deal Junior High, which has relatively few poor students, two-thirds of the core classes have highly qualified teachers, twice the figure at MacFarland and Garnett-Patterson middle schools, where almost all the students come from poor families.

Across the city, 58 percent of classes in the junior high and middle schools with the most affluent students are taught by highly qualified teachers, compared with 38 percent at the poorest schools, The Post found. The gap is smaller at elementary schools.

Under the law, parents must be told if their child's teacher does not meet this standard. But that hasn't happened because the District is more than a year behind in submitting the data.

Students are also hurt by the system's management problems. A 2003 audit, for example, found mistakes in student transcripts at all of the city's 16 high schools.

Flying Sparks

The list of repair requests from D.C. schools, compiled in a database at the central office, details the crumbling condition of many of the city's school buildings. This spring, it contained thousands of unfilled requests, including 1,100 labeled "urgent" or "dangerous" that have been waiting to be fixed, on average, for more than a year.

Of the 146 schools, 127 have a pending repair for electrical work, some of which caused shocks or flying sparks. Those typically have been on the books for two years.

At the start of the 2002 school year, a student from Ferebee-Hope Elementary in Southeast was taken to the hospital after being gouged by sharp edges on a broken railing. It took the school system more than four years to make that repair, records show.

Gage-Eckington Elementary in Northwest notified the central repair office in May 2006 that a plexiglass window was dangling from its frame in the second-floor boy's restroom, posing a danger because a student could fall out. Two months later, the head custodian sent a second request labeled "Dangerous." A third request went out in September, and a fourth in November, reading "asap! This is a safety hazard." The principal said it took workers until January to replace the window.

More evidence of neglect has been uncovered by city health inspectors sent to check school cafeterias. In the most recent round of inspections, 85 percent of cafeterias had violations, including peeling paint and plaster near food, inadequate hand-washing facilities and insufficient hot water. Well over one-third of public school cafeterias showed evidence of rodent or roach infestations in the past three years, according to health inspections.

Ariel Smith, an American University student who taught recently in an after-school program at Bruce-Monroe Elementary School in Northwest, said she initially was appalled at the mice scurrying around the cafeteria and kindergarten classroom. They are so common, she said, that students have given them names and drawn their pictures.

"These kids are so used to it, it doesn't faze them anymore," Smith said. "First it upsets you, then you get used to it, then you work around it."

Broken Promises

Families at H.D. Cooke Elementary School have seen firsthand how grand plans can derail.

A $19 million project to rehab the building in Columbia Heights has dragged on for years. The schools relocated students to a vacant building in 2004, spending at least $3 million since then to transport them, but broke ground only last week.

Troy Robinson isn't letting his two daughters get their hopes up. "All I've heard is promises," he said. "Seeing is believing."

In the years since the construction plans have been on the table, five charter schools have opened in the area.

A similar disconnect is playing out across town at Kelly Miller Middle, over the $150,000 media production room and the missing equipment.

When Principal Sheena Tuckson arrived at the school in the fall, she was thrilled when she learned about the plan for student broadcasts.

"I see it as learning about job training, looking to their future, what are the possibilities out there," she said.

She had assumed the long-awaited, mystery piece of equipment could arrive any day.

When The Post inquired about the missing part, Renard Alexander, who heads the instructional television program, said it was a $2,000 custom camera. But, he said, it was not his department's job to provide it. He said it is up to the principal to order and pay for the camera out of her school budget.

But nobody had told Tuckson.

This is the latest glitch in a series that stretches back three years. The ambitious plan first stalled in the mad rush to open the school. The media room became a low priority that was put on hold when the funding was used for other purposes. Responsibility slipped from the construction managers down the chain to Alexander's department. Some equipment was eventually installed -- most recently in March, when workers told Tuckson's staff that the school needed just one last piece.

Now, the room has a rack of media components, a DVD/VCR and a television. A second black rack, designed to hold more components, lies empty on its side.

Stanley Johnson, director of instructional technology, said all new buildings are being designed with production rooms, but most are not being used. Changing priorities among top administrators and smaller federal grants have left the schools without money for the remaining equipment and training.

"It is a unique set of learning tools that we're talking about," he said. "We have these great things we can do. I've got great plans. We could be so much further along."

Research editor Alice Crites contributed to this report.

nemein
06-13-07, 10:56 AM
This article shows how wasteful and incompetent the Washington D.C. public school system is.

So how do you feel about that? What do you think can be done to fix the problem (assuming you even want it fixed)? What's the main reason for posting this?

kvrdave
06-13-07, 10:59 AM
You can't fix it in DC. It isn't about education, it is about excuses for children and politics. Once education becomes the top priority, it could happen. But currently, they can talk about it being a top priority, provided you can make excuses for a variety of things that money can fix.

The Bus
06-13-07, 11:03 AM
So how do you feel about that? What do you think can be done to fix the problem (assuming you even want it fixed)? What's the main reason for posting this?

Agreed.

grundle, what are your thoughts on this? What are the main problems you see? What are your suggestions and/or how do you plan on adding to the discussion?

grundle
06-13-07, 11:10 AM
So how do you feel about that? What do you think can be done to fix the problem (assuming you even want it fixed)? What's the main reason for posting this?


I think this particular public school system should be shut down, and all the employees should be fired. Then the city should contract with another city (one that's successful) to open up a new public school system in Washington D.C., with all new employees.

I posted this to show that giving more and more and more money to bad public schools doesn't make them better - it just results in more waste.

grundle
06-13-07, 11:14 AM
Agreed.

grundle, what are your thoughts on this? What are the main problems you see? What are your suggestions and/or how do you plan on adding to the discussion?


This particular school system should be abolished, and all the employees should be fired. Then the city should hire another city (one with a successful public schools district) to open and operate new schools with new employees in Washington D.C.

DVD Josh
06-13-07, 11:23 AM
This particular school system should be abolished, and all the employees should be fired. Then the city should hire another city (one with a successful public schools district) to open and operate new schools with new employees in Washington D.C.

Pass da dutchie 'pon da lef' han' side.

CRM114
06-13-07, 01:21 PM
Isn't now the time you tell us how you went to a Montessouri school and that you were scored much higher than any public school child?

CRM114
06-13-07, 01:32 PM
No matter how abominably bad schools get, we must resist all change. Especially if it involves choice and accountability. Let's just give even more money to the same people who are squandering the millions we're already spending. :up:

Everyone has choice. Unfortunately in a capitalist society, choice involves using your own money. Parents should not get their tax money back in vouchers simply because they don't approve of the school where they live. Lots of childless people pay school tax every year and don't get a dime back in vouchers nor are they expecting to. We pay school tax as a society for society not for one's own family.

Isn't that painfully obvious?

grundle
06-13-07, 01:34 PM
Isn't now the time you tell us how you went to a Montessouri school and that you were scored much higher than any public school child?


No. I don't want to hijack my own thread.

CRM114
06-13-07, 02:34 PM
Of course they should. The one and only purpose of those resources is to provide kids with quality education, not to maintain an interest group at the expense of an entire generation.

To provide education to the COMMUNITY not their kids exclusively. They can feel free to 1. move to a better school district (as I did) or 2. pay for a private education separately from their societal duties.

CRM114
06-13-07, 02:42 PM
To provide quality education to kids. All kid. Not just the rich ones whose parents can do either 1. or 2.

Education is what you make out of it as a parent.

The Bus
06-13-07, 02:49 PM
Seems to me the first step is to fire most of the administration staff.

Birrman54
06-13-07, 02:55 PM
Education is what you make out of it as a parent.

so what options does a poor single mother have when her child is in a school that constantly has gun violence, class disruptions and shitty supplies?

Couldn't you take your quote and modify it for any number of things?

"wealth is what you make out of it as an adult", etc. Are good schools only for those who live in high property value areas? Or for those who can afford to go to private schools? Why do we keep throwing money at public school districts filled with apathetic teachers and corrupt administrators?

CRM114
06-13-07, 03:08 PM
so what options does a poor single mother have when her child is in a school that constantly has gun violence, class disruptions and shitty supplies?


First of all, a parent should do everything in their power to keep their child safe. If gun violence is rampant, would you not do everything in your power to move?

How can a district that spends the same or less perform better? Its not the teachers - its the parents and their complete inability to keep their children on track and stress what is important and what is not.

CRM114
06-13-07, 03:10 PM
So why do we even have public education then, if it all comes down to the parent? :lol:

Are you a parent?

CRM114
06-13-07, 03:15 PM
I was once a student. ;)

Children do not develop any sort of initiative until later in life. They also have no idea the importance of achievement. These things are instilled by parenting and discipline. Neither of which are the jobs of educators.

Birrman54
06-13-07, 03:31 PM
First of all, a parent should do everything in their power to keep their child safe. If gun violence is rampant, would you not do everything in your power to move?

How can a district that spends the same or less perform better? Its not the teachers - its the parents and their complete inability to keep their children on track and stress what is important and what is not.

I'm sure there is no shortage of those who would love to move out of East Baltimore, unfortunately the opportunities to do so are scarce.

If we're going to have Public Schools, they should be held to the same performance and safety standards wherever - this clearly isn't happening.

Red Dog
06-13-07, 03:46 PM
I'm sure there is no shortage of those who would love to move out of East Baltimore, unfortunately the opportunities to do so are scarce.


It was interesting to hear a 'they can move' recommendation. I wonder if proponents of this who live in good districts would allow (via zoning ;) ) multi-dwelling low-income buildings be built in their neighborhood so the poor transplants can get the benefit of their superior school system.

wendersfan
06-13-07, 03:53 PM
Again, if it is up to the parents, why do we have public education?
Is it really necessary for someone to answer that?

CRM114
06-13-07, 03:56 PM
It was interesting to hear a 'they can move' recommendation. I wonder if proponents of this who live in good districts would allow (via zoning ;) ) multi-dwelling low-income buildings be built in their neighborhood so the poor transplants can get the benefit of their superior school system.

Sure. The district my daughter attends serves the entire community from the federal projects to million dollar houses.

wm lopez
06-13-07, 04:11 PM
Treat it like a sports team buisness.
Have uniforms and if you don't meet the school rules and grades out you go.
And there should be a school for all the trouble makers in D.C. and even if they turn out to be all black nobody can say it's racsist. Because black kids will still be in the good schools. The key is you should be able to dump bad students period.
Often when this happens in schools that are mostly white and the kids getting dumped are minority.

Ranger
06-13-07, 04:21 PM
Treat it like a sports team buisness.
Have uniforms and if you don't meet the school rules and grades out you go.
You go out where?

And there should be a school for all the trouble makers in D.C. and even if they turn out to be all black nobody can say it's racsist. Because black kids will still be in the good schools. The key is you should be able to dump bad students period.
Often when this happens in schools that are mostly white and the kids getting dumped are minority.
They do have schools like these around here, they're called alternative schools. I'm sure D.C. has lots of those, though they may be treated as 'regular' schools.

I think the whole thing - not just the schools - is a mess, they do need to keep stressing standardized testings to maintain improvement and definitely need to get its administrative tactics overhauled.

CRM does have a point - teachers can only do so much in situations like these, parental and community involvement and an efficient administration are all very important.

grundle
06-13-07, 05:16 PM
Seems to me the first step is to fire most of the administration staff.

That's an excellent idea.

grundle
06-13-07, 05:41 PM
Children do not develop any sort of initiative until later in life. They also have no idea the importance of achievement. These things are instilled by parenting and discipline. Neither of which are the jobs of educators.

If it's not the job of educators, then how do you explain this?


http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07028/757451-53.stm

Extra Mile Education Foundation reaches out to mostly black families in low-income areas

Sunday, January 28, 2007

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

By Tim Grant

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Bookworms are cool at St. Benedict the Moor Catholic School.

A bright kid gains popularity among his peers for getting high grades. No one disrupts a class. And every child at the all-black private school in the heart of the Hill District gets daily homework assignments that parents must sign.

"Our students take their books home every day and they don't lose them either," said Sister Margery Kundar, who has been the principal at St. Benedict for 28 years. "We have a system."

St. Benedict is one of four K-8 Catholic schools serving mostly black families in low-income communities supported by the Catholic Diocese of Pittsburgh through a program called the Extra Mile Education Foundation.

For the past 16 years, Holy Rosary in Homewood, St. Agnes in Oakland and St. Benedict have been Extra Mile schools. St. James in Wilkinsburg became an Extra Mile school in 2000.

In addition, some pupils at Good Shepherd in Braddock and Cardinal Wright Regional on the North Side receive scholarship aid from the program.

This week, Catholic schools nationwide are celebrating Catholic Schools Week, with a theme calling them "the good news in education."

For Candace Ragin, St. Benedict and the Extra Mile program were good news. She is one of 1,049 pupils who have graduated from eighth grade through the Extra Mile program.

"It's a very structured environment that helped me focus on what I was there for, which was to learn," said Ms. Ragin, 25, who graduated from St. Benedict in 1995. She went on to North Catholic High School and earned a law degree from Duquesne University in June.

"Starting off in such a positive, nurturing environment got me off on the right path to where I am now and where I'll be going in the future," she said.

The schools have been around for many years; St. Benedict, for example, is celebrating its 100th anniversary this month.

But all of the Extra Mile schools would have been shut down years ago if people in those communities had not cried out for them and local business leaders had not responded with a fund-raising campaign that has so far raised nearly $44 million to subsidize tuition costs.

The nonprofit Extra Mile Education Foundation is funded by charitable donation from Pittsburgh corporations like Westinghouse Electric and philanthropies such as The Heinz Endowments.

"We felt very strongly that we should do everything in our power to keep the schools open because they provided such a wonderful opportunity for these children to learn and have hope for the future," said Tom O'Brien, chairman of the Extra Mile board of directors and retired chairman of PNC Financial.

One Extra Mile graduate, William Thomas, 28, is a certified public accountant for Ernst & Young. The Holy Rosary alumnus is paying tuition for two godchildren to attend St. Benedict.

"It kept me out of trouble and the temptations that existed outside of school and the challenges I faced growing up in an inner-city environment," said Mr. Thomas, who grew up in Wilkinsburg.

Most of the 830 pupils who attend the Extra Mile schools are non-Catholic and low-income. An average of 70 percent of the pupils -- and as many as 87 percent in some schools -- have family incomes low enough to qualify for the free or reduced-price lunch program.

Parents who rely on the Extra Mile subsidies to help pay school costs are on public assistance, are low-wage earners or are not working because they're in school. Many are single parents. Some are grandparents or great-grandparents raising children who were neglected by their own parents.

These families put education first despite obstacles they face in their lives.

"[The children] learn academics, but they also learn a real sense of themselves, that they can fly," said Ambrose Murray, executive director of the Extra Mile Foundation.

With her grandchildren's mother hooked on drugs and alcohol, Irma Woodson knew they would have grown up in foster homes if she hadn't met the challenge of raising them herself.

She rescued two of them from a crack house in Northview Heights, where they had been abandoned. She carried the other two home from the hospital right after each was born.

As a result of saving her grandchildren, she lost her own marriage and her nursing career.

"Education was always a priority in my household," said Ms. Woodson, 57, of Oakland, who now runs a home day care. "Catholic school classes are small and stay together. They bond and make lifetime friends. They all practically grow up together, and they're good influences."

It costs Ms. Woodson about $3,000 a year to send three of her grandchildren -- Christina, 12; Natasha, 10; and Hasan, 8, -- to St. Agnes.

LaMar Woodson, 16, who also graduated from St. Agnes, is a junior at North Catholic High School, where tuition is about $7,500 a year. Ms. Woodson's portion of the bill comes to about $1,500, thanks to a subsidy from the Crossroads program, which helps youngsters continue in Catholic schools when they leave Extra Mile schools.

"I get no government assistance for raising the kids," said Ms. Woodson, a non-Catholic. "Everything we get comes from Extra Mile, Crossroads and my family day care."

Lynn Harris, 36, a paralegal, is separated from her husband and struggling to make ends meet. She sends her children to St. James so they'll learn Christian values along with the three R's.

Ms. Harris graduated from St. James long before Extra Mile came along and has since put all of her six children through the school. Two have graduated. Four of them -- Asia, 13; London, 11; Milan, 8; and Terevon, 5, -- still attend St. James.

"Before Extra Mile started at St. James, I was really struggling to keep them there because of the tuition," Ms. Harris said. "I was always on the verge of taking them out of school."

Parents who receive funding are required to volunteer at the schools.

Ms. Harris does way more than the four lunch duties that parents are asked to work each year. She is vice president of the Parent Teacher Guild, runs a Santa shop in December and keeps the score books for the school basketball games.

"I'm pretty much involved in anything that the school is doing," she said. "Being there lets me know my kids are getting what I expect them to."

The Extra Mile Education Foundation was started in 1990 after then-Bishop Donald Wuerl arranged a series of meetings with local business leaders such as Mr. O'Brien and John Marous, chief executive officer of Westinghouse, to establish a foundation to raise money to meet the needs of poor families who depend on the Catholic schools in their neighborhoods.

The schools were in jeopardy because population declines during the 1980s resulted in many inner-city Catholic schools falling on hard times. The diocese could no longer support many programs it had funded.

"This was certainly cutting edge at the time," said Archabbot Douglas Nowicki, chancellor of Saint Vincent College, who worked closely with Archbishop Wuerl. "It's still seen as a model program that others are trying to duplicate in other parts of the country.""

The annual budget for all the Extra Mile schools is about $1.9 million, which comes primarily from donations and a portion of the interest from its $17 million endowment.

A survey conducted by the diocese last year showed 96 percent of the pupils who graduated from Extra Mile schools graduated from high school within four years. About half of them went on to either higher education, the military or trade schools. Not one has ever failed ninth grade.

"If you look at the attendance rate of kids in our schools, it's 94 to 95 percent attendance," said Sue Vertosick, director of programs for the diocese. "We have 35 percent perfect attendance at some schools. We don't lose a lot of families unless they are moving out or there are custody changes or factors beyond our control."

Along with academics and religion, the schools encourage positive images of African-American culture.

Photographs of famous black leaders like Martin Luther King Jr. and Frederick Douglass cover the walls of classrooms at St. Agnes. A painting of Jesus portrayed as a black man hangs in the front foyer at St. Benedict the Moor.

"What we work for is to help them give back to the community. We want them to be a credit to society," said Sister Margery. "As difficult as things can get, I've never not enjoyed walking in this building."

CRM114
06-13-07, 06:00 PM
If it's not the job of educators, then how do you explain this?


$44 million for 830 students helps. :lol:

grundle
06-13-07, 06:05 PM
$44 million for 830 students helps. :lol:


That's cumulative over many years.

For each year....


The annual budget for all the Extra Mile schools is about $1.9 million

Birrman54
06-13-07, 07:04 PM
That's cumulative over many years.

For each year....

1.9 million for 830 students comes out to $2290/student.

How much is DC paying again? ;)

CRM114
06-13-07, 07:33 PM
A survey conducted by the diocese last year showed 96 percent of the pupils who graduated from Extra Mile schools graduated from high school within four years. About half of them went on to either higher education, the military or trade schools. Not one has ever failed ninth grade.

BTW, is this the only data on the performance of these schools? "About half of them went on to either higher education, the military or trade schools" isn't very conclusive.

grundle
06-13-07, 07:48 PM
1.9 million for 830 students comes out to $2290/student.

How much is DC paying again? ;)


Exactly.

A $2,290 private school does far better than a $12,979 public school.

grundle
06-13-07, 08:05 PM
1.9 million for 830 students comes out to $2290/student.

How much is DC paying again? ;)


Some people might argue that the cost of living is higher in D.C. than in Pittsburgh.

So here's an article about the spending by the Pittsburgh public school district:


http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07128/784283-298.stm

City schools shrinking; big cuts looming

Declining student population forces trimming 203 jobs, $33 million

Tuesday, May 08, 2007
By Joe Smydo, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Pittsburgh Public Schools last night proposed eliminating 203 positions and making $33 million in other cuts to keep the district from going broke in 2009.

The district said significant spending reductions are needed amid the projected loss of another 3,600 students, or 10 percent of the current enrollment, over the next three school years.

The projected loss of 1,521 students in 2007-08, 937 in 2008-09 and 1,158 in 2009-10 would leave the district with 25,829 students. Enrollment this school year is 29,445, down 1,703 from 2005-06.

Next year's elimination of 131 teachers, 30 aides, 10 counselors, five librarians, one assistant principal and 26 clerical workers were far from the only cuts that Superintendent Mark Roosevelt and his staff proposed at a meeting of the school board's Business and Finance Committee.

Without tens of millions of dollars in additional savings, the district will exhaust its reserve fund and face a $7.1 million deficit by the end of 2009, according to a report by Christopher Berdnik, executive director of finance.

It was the starkest forecast yet for a district that's long experienced financial problems and so far has tried in halting steps to turn its finances around. The district already has eliminated about 300 positions in the past two years, many by retirements, said Peter Camarda, executive director of budget and management services, and Lisa Fischetti, chief of staff.

Reversing the crisis will be "unbelievably difficult," Mr. Roosevelt told the board. "There is no way we can take you from here to there without a lot of pain, a lot of squealing and you hearing complaints from a lot of folks."

Even with next school year's personnel cuts, officials said, district spending is projected to increase from $524 million this year to nearly $547 million in 2009 without additional belt-tightening.

Under that scenario, Mr. Berdnik said, the district's reserve fund would dwindle from $57 million at the end of 2007 to nearly $30 million in 2008 and zero in 2009. That year, after exhausting the reserve fund, the district would face a $7.1 million deficit.

Mr. Roosevelt said the district's financial picture would be even bleaker if it encounters unexpected expenses, such as the opening of new charter schools in the next few years.

On top of next year's personnel cuts, Mr. Berdnik recommended slashing $16.7 million from the operating budget in 2008, repeating that savings in 2009 and finding an additional $16 million to cut in 2009. He did not say how the cuts would be achieved.

With those cuts, he said, the district's spending would be curbed at $514 million in 2009, and more than $42 million would be left in the reserve fund, which the district has been tapping to balance the operating budget.

Mr. Berdnik did not say how much next year's personnel cuts would save the district. But many teachers are at the top of the salary scale, which is $73,500 for a teacher with a master's degree.

This may be the first time the district has prepared a three-year "rolling" projection of finances. The board made production of the forecast one of Mr. Roosevelt's priorities for the school year.

Mr. Berdnik's assessment was sobering, but he and other officials said they did not want to be unduly alarming.

For example, Mr. Berdnik said 115 teachers already have signed up to retire at the end of the current school year, meaning reduction of 131 teaching positions might be accomplished with few furloughs. In addition, he said no tax increase is under consideration.

Officials added that they hope to draw more families to the district and reinvigorate the tax base with academic improvements. They said the proposed Pittsburgh Promise scholarship program for high school students and Mayor Luke Ravenstahl's proposal to offer tax breaks to new city residents could be other draws.

Correction/Clarification: (Published May 9, 2007) Among the 203 positions the Pittsburgh Public Schools proposed eliminating next school year are 10 counselors and 26 clerical workers. This story as originally published May 8, 2007 gave conflicting figures for counselors and did not give a figure for clerical workers.


$524 million / 29,445 students = $17,795 per student.

grundle
06-13-07, 08:10 PM
BTW, is this the only data on the performance of these schools? "About half of them went on to either higher education, the military or trade schools" isn't very conclusive.

I don't know of any other data regarding their pursuit of higher education.

However, the fact that 96% of them graduate from high school within 4 years, is far better than what happens to students who attend Pittsburgh's public schools their entire lives.


http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07131/785121-109.stm

Vote for our schools

Nothing is more important on Tuesday

Friday, May 11, 2007

By Carey Harris

City of Pittsburgh voters in four districts will have the opportunity on Tuesday to cast their votes for school board directors.

These elections never have the glitz and glamour of a presidential, mayoral or City Council race, but don't let that delude you into thinking they are not important. Indeed, this may be the most important political contest in the city of Pittsburgh in next week's primary elections.

The lives of roughly 30,000 students are in the hands of the Pittsburgh Public Schools -- their safety, their education, their futures. And by many accounts these lives are not being well served. Consider the fact that 49 percent of last year's 11th graders, many of whom are high school seniors this year, were not proficient in reading and 60 percent were not proficient in math.

At a recent community meeting on school board leadership, Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato stated, "The turnaround of the Pittsburgh public schools is the most critical issue facing the region. All of the economic development work Downtown and on the North Shore is good, but if we don't fix the Pittsburgh Public Schools, the city will not survive. And if the city doesn't survive the county won't survive either."

Education matters even more in a global economy; it can mean the difference between a life of prosperity or destitution. Consider that California projects its prison population based on third grade reading proficiency. Consider that 80 percent of incarcerated persons in the United States did not graduate from high school. Consider that 35 percent of ninth graders in the Pittsburgh public schools will not graduate.

Certainly the picture of performance in the district is not all bleak. There are pockets of excellence -- talented teachers, terrific administrators and many children who are learning and excelling. But pockets of excellence is not an acceptable standard. We must demand excellence for all children in all schools. We must elect school board members who will do the same.

In addition to ensuring academic success for students, school board members (although serving in part-time, unpaid positions) have a tremendous fiscal responsibility. The budget of the Pittsburgh Public Schools is larger than the city of Pittsburgh's -- $524 million vs. $428 million. The school district budget is only slightly smaller than Allegheny County's budget of $558 million. An organization with this amount of public responsibility and resources deserves our attention and our best elected officials.

Recently 140 Pittsburghers -- parents, educators, human-service providers, elected officials and investors -- gathered at a community meeting to discuss school board leadership. These citizens considered the qualities and qualifications of school board members, their role as public leaders and their code of conduct.

The findings from the meeting indicate that Pittsburgh is looking for school board members with vision, integrity and honesty. The meeting participants also expressed a desire for school board members to be more accountable to and engaged with the community. Participants wanted school board members to work well with each other -- even when they disagree -- and to set policies that support the district's educational mission, establish metrics to measure progress and hold the superintendent accountable for that progress.

Responsibility for academic success doesn't end with the superintendent, the school board or even parents. The entire community has the responsibility of ensuring excellence for all children -- it's in our best interest as taxpayers, residents, business owners and citizens. While there are many things you can do to support children's learning with your time and money (and we all should do those things) -- the simplest thing you can do is vote and choose who will govern the school district.

The last time Pittsburghers headed to the polls to vote for school board members in May 2005, little more than 24,000 cast votes for candidates in five districts. By voting Tuesday you have the opportunity to send an important message to the school board and administration of the Pittsburgh public schools: We care about the future of this city and the future of our children, and we're prepared to hold you and ourselves accountable for their success.

grundle
06-13-07, 08:14 PM
So for low income black students in Pittsburgh, a $2,290 private school does far better than a $17,795 public school.

How do the defenders of public education explain that?

CRM114
06-13-07, 10:27 PM
Isn't it amazing how the nature of such crippling problems can be so clear, and its solution so straightforward, yet it is met with the most stubborn and intractable resistance? It really makes lose hope in progress and people.

Did you ever attend a public school?

Nazgul
06-13-07, 11:51 PM
"These families put education first despite obstacles they face in their lives.
building."

Sounds to me that if the parents give a crap, their child will succeed. Not really because a private school is leaps and bounds better than public.

And let's be honest. Libertarians and Libertarians w/o kids want gov't out of education because it puts $$$ back in their pocket. :)

Birrman54
06-14-07, 06:54 AM
Isn't it amazing how the nature of such crippling problems can be so clear, and its solution so straightforward, yet it is met with the most stubborn and intractable resistance? It really makes you lose hope in progress and people.

I have a question though. I understand that public schools all over (mainly in cities) have out of control spending, failing performance, etc.

Do the Libertarians believe in abolishing public education? Who will try and educate these kids?

If we're not abolishing public education, what are the steps towards improving it? Allowing some kind of competition between schools? (I think I read an article about a strategy like that in Oakland that was successful)

How about increased vocational training opportunities in High School? Is it 'racist' to suggest that many of these kids aren't cut out for college? If they don't intend to, shouldn't we try and help them out once they graduate regardless?

Red Dog
06-14-07, 08:09 AM
And let's be honest. Libertarians and Libertarians w/o kids want gov't out of education because it puts $$$ back in their pocket. :)


That's one reason, sure. Another is that I think the private sector can do a better job of educating children. Another is that it would eliminate all the wasted time and effort that goes into litigating constitutional right issues in the schools. Another is that the folks who choose to have children are the ones paying for it. Those who make the choice not to have children don't subsidize the parents. Finally, on a federal level, there is no constitutional basis for Congress to fund education.

So as far as your honesty goes, get to the whole truth. :)

Josh H
06-14-07, 08:22 AM
So for low income black students in Pittsburgh, a $2,290 private school does far better than a $17,795 public school.

How do the defenders of public education explain that?

Huge discrepancy is hard to explain away, but you can't deny that there is a selection effect.

Students in private schools are going to be more likely on average to have parents who care about their education, keep after them to do their homework, etc. Less likely to be abused, have nueropsychological deficits etc. than the public school kids and so on.

Just law of averages as all those things are more rampant among the impoverished, and the impoverished aren't sending their kids to private schools.

But honestly, I have no problems with going to all private schools as long as their are concessions made so that the poorest children can still go to a decent school.

darkessenz
06-14-07, 08:42 AM
1. Fire the administrators (agree with Bus).

2. Voucher system immediately, more charter schools, etc. Anything to lessen the strain on these institutions. It should be a lottery system at the worst schools only, and allow 5-10% of these students out of their crappy schools.

3. Major $$ needs to be spent on renovation and cleaning. This is where you take the money from the administrators and spend it on fixing the schools.

I used to be against vouchers, but when I read about these schools...well its the true failure of the commons. A little capitalist nudge would be fine with me. They aren't even achieving basic levels of education at these schools...

grundle
06-14-07, 12:08 PM
Isn't it amazing how the nature of such crippling problems can be so clear, and its solution so straightforward, yet it is met with the most stubborn and intractable resistance? It really makes you lose hope in progress and people.


Well, just because some people ignore such solutions doesn't mean I have to dismiss the entire human race. There are a lot of people sending their kids to private schools.

grundle
06-14-07, 12:15 PM
Sounds to me that if the parents give a crap, their child will succeed. Not really because a private school is leaps and bounds better than public.

And let's be honest. Libertarians and Libertarians w/o kids want gov't out of education because it puts $$$ back in their pocket. :)


It's not just because of the money. Libertarians do want kids to get a good education.

How do you explain this?


http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/story?id=1500338

By JOHN STOSSEL

Jan. 13, 2006

I talked with 18-year-old Dorian Cain in South Carolina, who was still struggling to read a single sentence in a first-grade level book when I met him. Although his public schools had spent nearly $100,000 on him over 12 years, he still couldn't read.

So "20/20" sent Dorian to a private learning center, Sylvan, to see if teachers there could teach Dorian to read when the South Carolina public schools failed to.

Using computers and workbooks, Dorian's reading went up two grade levels — after just 72 hours of instruction.

Nazgul
06-14-07, 12:30 PM
It's not just because of the money. Libertarians do want kids to get a good education.

How do you explain this?


Big deal! Anytime you have specialized one on one instruction, of course things will improve.

What I'm sure the article glossed over, (and it does) is what type of effort the student put in before he went to intensive instruction.

grundle
06-14-07, 12:31 PM
I have a question though. I understand that public schools all over (mainly in cities) have out of control spending, failing performance, etc.

Do the Libertarians believe in abolishing public education? Who will try and educate these kids?

If we're not abolishing public education, what are the steps towards improving it? Allowing some kind of competition between schools? (I think I read an article about a strategy like that in Oakland that was successful)

How about increased vocational training opportunities in High School? Is it 'racist' to suggest that many of these kids aren't cut out for college? If they don't intend to, shouldn't we try and help them out once they graduate regardless?


Theoretically, I would like to abolish public education.

But realisticially, that's not very practical.

So here's what I would do:

1) Let parents choose which public school their child attends. Let 100% of the money go to whichever public school the parents choose.

2) If a school is so bad that it can't attract students, then it should be shut down, and the employees should be fired.

3) Abolish "education" as a college major. Instead, hire peole with degrees in math, English, history, science, etc.

4) Fire 90% of all education bureaucrats.

5) Have at least one hour of recess every day. Kids need to vent their energy.

6) Stop banning interesting books.

7) Abolish teachers' unions.

8) Do NOT use tax dollars to pay for vouchers for private schools, because government funding leads to government control.

I agree with your idea of vocational training in high schools. I would say that anyone who needs to take "remedial math" or "remedial reading" when they go to college, probably shouldn't be going to college in the first place.

Here's that article about that successful Oakland school:


http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/story?id=1500338

By JOHN STOSSEL

Jan. 13, 2006

Ben Chavis is a former public school principal who now runs an alternative charter school in Oakland, Calif., that spends thousands of dollars less per student than the surrounding public schools. He laughs at the public schools' complaints about money.

"That is the biggest lie in America. They waste money," he said.

To save money, Chavis asks the students to do things like keep the grounds picked up and set up for their own lunch. For gym class, his students often just run laps around the block. All of this means there's more money left over for teaching.

Even though he spends less money per student than the public schools do, Chavis pays his teachers more than what public school teachers earn. His school also thrives because the principal gets involved. Chavis shows up at every classroom and uses gimmicks like small cash payments for perfect attendance.

Since he took over four years ago, his school has gone from being among the worst in Oakland to being the best. His middle school has the highest test scores in the city.

"It's not about the money," he said.

He's confident that even kids who come from broken families and poor families will do well in his school. "Give me the poor kids, and I will outperform the wealthy kids who live in the hills. And we do it," he said.

grundle
06-14-07, 12:33 PM
Just law of averages as all those things are more rampant among the impoverished, and the impoverished aren't sending their kids to private schools.


I put this part in bold when I posted the article:


Most of the 830 pupils who attend the Extra Mile schools are non-Catholic and low-income. An average of 70 percent of the pupils -- and as many as 87 percent in some schools -- have family incomes low enough to qualify for the free or reduced-price lunch program.

Nazgul
06-14-07, 12:34 PM
Chavis pays his teachers more than what public school teachers earn.

uses gimmicks like small cash payments for perfect attendance.

"It's not about the money," he said.



Seems odd.

grundle
06-14-07, 12:37 PM
Big deal! Anytime you have specialized one on one instruction, of course things will improve.

What I'm sure the article glossed over, (and it does) is what type of effort the student put in before he went to intensive instruction.


Then why did the public school system spend $100,000 on that kid?

grundle
06-14-07, 12:39 PM
Seems odd.


That's a really great observation.

CRM114
06-14-07, 12:44 PM
1) Let parents choose which public school their child attends. Let 100% of the money go to whichever public school the parents choose.


What money?


8) Do NOT use tax dollars to pay for vouchers for private schools, because government funding leads to government control.

:hscratch:

I'm assuming you mean that a child can select any public school and the dollars already allocated for that student follows the student. Does this cross school districts? There are 501 school districts in PA. If my child picks Pittsburgh schools, will they fly her out every morning? If she chooses a district 20 miles away, will that district be responsible for paying for her transportation?

CRM114
06-14-07, 12:47 PM
That's a really great observation.

It is. The guy said its not about the money but then motivates with money. You don't think thats odd?

Josh H
06-14-07, 09:56 PM
I put this part in bold when I posted the article:

I noticed that, but that only gets at income. Many poor parents care about their kids education, probably especially the poor that still send their kids to a private school.

The deadbeat parents that don't give a shit if their kid does well in school or not aren't going to be very likely to send them to a private school.

Josh H
06-14-07, 09:58 PM
3) Abolish "education" as a college major. Instead, hire peole with degrees in math, English, history, science, etc.


That would work fine at the high school level (probably middle school too) where teachers generally offer classes only in one area.

Wouldn't be so good for elementary school where kids are with one teacher all day who has to teach them math, reading/writing, history, science etc. etc. Those teachers need a well rounded knowledge that they're more apt to get with a general education degree. Not to mention that K-5 teachers don't need to be experts on any of the areas as the stuff is pretty low level.

stp115
06-15-07, 06:34 AM
First of all, a parent should do everything in their power to keep their child safe. If gun violence is rampant, would you not do everything in your power to move?

How can a district that spends the same or less perform better? Its not the teachers - its the parents and their complete inability to keep their children on track and stress what is important and what is not.


First, as DC spends 3 most, and is ranked dead last (per the article) is seems every district but 2 spends less and gets better results.

Second, moving can be incredibly difficult for some parents - it does require a somewhat heafty cash outlay. The parents that can easily afford to move are also more likely to be able to afford private schooling.

darkessenz
06-15-07, 08:06 AM
DC spends the most on admin, but the least on instruction. Strange that would it cause problems?

grundle
06-15-07, 12:09 PM
What money?



:hscratch:

I'm assuming you mean that a child can select any public school and the dollars already allocated for that student follows the student. Does this cross school districts? There are 501 school districts in PA. If my child picks Pittsburgh schools, will they fly her out every morning? If she chooses a district 20 miles away, will that district be responsible for paying for her transportation?


Yes, I did say "public" school.

I think the parents should be allowed to send their child to any public school disctrict that's within a 30 mile distance, even if it's not the disctrict that the family lives in. This would give all school disctricts an incentive to provide quality education. Competition makes things better.

If a child living in school district #1 attends a public school in school district #2, the money for the education and transportation would come from school district #1.

grundle
06-15-07, 12:13 PM
It is. The guy said its not about the money but then motivates with money. You don't think thats odd?


I do think it's odd.

grundle
06-15-07, 12:17 PM
I noticed that, but that only gets at income. Many poor parents care about their kids education, probably especially the poor that still send their kids to a private school.

The deadbeat parents that don't give a shit if their kid does well in school or not aren't going to be very likely to send them to a private school.



Yes, that is a good point.

I guess in order to get the best data, we would need to have a random lottery of parents who apply for these vouchers, and then compare the students who were chosen at random to get the vouchers who go to private school, to the students who lost the lottery and went to public schools. That way, the parents of both groups would be equally motivated in sending their kids to private school, so we could make a better comparison.

grundle
06-15-07, 12:23 PM
That would work fine at the high school level (probably middle school too) where teachers generally offer classes only in one area.

Wouldn't be so good for elementary school where kids are with one teacher all day who has to teach them math, reading/writing, history, science etc. etc. Those teachers need a well rounded knowledge that they're more apt to get with a general education degree. Not to mention that K-5 teachers don't need to be experts on any of the areas as the stuff is pretty low level.


That's a good point.

Then how about in addition to an education degree, let's require that they get at least 1100 on their SAT test. (I'm talking about the old 1600 point SAT system.)

Take a look at this!


http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/williams051904.asp

The National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) compiles loads of statistics on education. The NCES "Digest of Education Statistics" Table 136 shows average SAT scores by student characteristics for 2001. Students who select education as their major have the lowest SAT scores of any major (964). Math majors have the highest (1174).



Ha ha ha!

I always laugh every time I read that!

DVD Josh
06-15-07, 12:33 PM
It's not just because of the money. Libertarians do want kids to get a good education.

How do you explain this?


http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/story?id=1500338

By JOHN STOSSEL

Jan. 13, 2006

I talked with 18-year-old Dorian Cain in South Carolina, who was still struggling to read a single sentence in a first-grade level book when I met him. Although his public schools had spent nearly $100,000 on him over 12 years, he still couldn't read.

So "20/20" sent Dorian to a private learning center, Sylvan, to see if teachers there could teach Dorian to read when the South Carolina public schools failed to.

Using computers and workbooks, Dorian's reading went up two grade levels — after just 72 hours of instruction.

This highlights the importance of smaller class sizes and specialized instruction. Of course it's more expensive, but you can't argue with results.

I spent my senior year as a teacher's student helper in my favorite teacher's class. He taught Modern World History. Instead of using pointless wrote memorization exercises straight out of a standardized textbook, he would spend at least 2-3 class sessions per relevant event. There were plenty of thinking outside the box exercises, critical thought exercises, and class participation. You could see how much they were retaining because they were actively working with the material and digesting it, not memorizing it for a test. I still remember several of those lessons because of that.

To me, you can improve problematic public schools in the following ways:

1) Smaller class sizes
2) Longer class sessions (not longer days, but 45 mins. isn't enough, even for daily classes)
3) Allow teachers to escape standardized texts
4) Utilize outside resources (like Sylvan) to help with special needs cases.

Of course, this all takes money, and lots of it. But we need to find it somewhere.

CRM114
06-15-07, 12:36 PM
2) Longer class sessions (not longer days, but 45 mins. isn't enough, even for daily classes)

I believe our high schools moved to 4 period days instead of 6 or 7. They concentrate on fewer subjects at a time and then switch mid year.

Josh H
06-15-07, 12:37 PM
Then how about in addition to an education degree, let's require that they get at least 1100 on their SAT test. (I'm talking about the old 1600 point SAT system.)


No, SAT scores aren't very reflective of intelligence or ability IMO. School districts just need to develop their own tests that teachers must pass to be certified to teach in their area that are rigorous enough to screen out the unqualified.

K-5 would be general and cover a wide variety of stuff, the latter grades could have tests focusing in on the specific areas.

Many districts have this kind of stuff, but others (i.e. crappy inner city areas) are so desperate for teachers I can't imagine their all that strict about that kind of stuff.

stp115
06-15-07, 03:57 PM
I believe our high schools moved to 4 period days instead of 6 or 7. They concentrate on fewer subjects at a time and then switch mid year.


Just curious - does it seem to be working any better?

grundle
06-17-07, 06:15 PM
Of course, this all takes money, and lots of it. But we need to find it somewhere.

Does that "somewhere" include firing the excessive bureaucrats and eliminating the waste, fraud, etc., that's menttioned in the original article?

Or, does that "somewhere" include spending even more money on the public schools than what is already being spent?

What about the evidence that I already posted in post 33 about private schools doing far better, with far less money?

What about the story that I posted in post 53 about the new principal who made his school way better, while spending less money?

What about the fact that Washington D.C. has the most expensive public schools and they do the worst job of teaching?