Yahoo!'s Best TV Shows of 06-07
#1
Yahoo!'s Best TV Shows of 06-07
http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/1784
Yeah, it's Yahoo. But I found the list pretty revealing - basically showing that smart, innovative shows don't do really good in the ratings, IMO because Americans are either too stupid to follow or they just don't want to think when relaxing at night.
Friday Night Lights.
30 Rock
The Office
Battlestar Galactica
How I Met Your Mother
Veronica Mars
Rome
Of course, Grey's, Ugly Betty, and Dancing with the Stars are also listed.
Yeah, it's Yahoo. But I found the list pretty revealing - basically showing that smart, innovative shows don't do really good in the ratings, IMO because Americans are either too stupid to follow or they just don't want to think when relaxing at night.
Friday Night Lights.
30 Rock
The Office
Battlestar Galactica
How I Met Your Mother
Veronica Mars
Rome
Of course, Grey's, Ugly Betty, and Dancing with the Stars are also listed.
#2
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That's actually a pretty solid list. I'd remove Heroes (silly, and if you're honest with yourself you can admit it ), BSG (plagued by filler this season), and Grey's Anatomy (laughably melodramatic and downright terrible this year). Replace them with The Wire (any "best of" list without it has absolutely zero credibility) and depending on the date restrictions, Big Love or The Shield. And if I'm being selfish, Studio 60.
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#3
Originally Posted by das Monkey
That's actually a pretty solid list. I'd remove Heroes (silly, and if you're honest with yourself you can admit it ), BSG (plagued by filler this season), and Grey's Anatomy (laughably melodramatic and downright terrible this year). Replace them with The Wire (any "best of" list without it has absolutely zero credibility) and depending on the date restrictions, Big Love or The Shield. And if I'm being selfish, Studio 60.
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#4
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Heh. I don't want to turn this thread into a Heroes argument, since I know many people around here are obsessed with it, so I'll just say that I disagree. And my opinion has nothing to do with liking or disliking superheroes.
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P.S. I am, however, reminded of something a friend of mine said after last night's episode (he adores Heroes): "Yeah, I know it's terrible. I know this. But I love it anyway, and you have to give me this: it's much better than Smallville." He had a point.
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P.S. I am, however, reminded of something a friend of mine said after last night's episode (he adores Heroes): "Yeah, I know it's terrible. I know this. But I love it anyway, and you have to give me this: it's much better than Smallville." He had a point.
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Yeah - not bad. I agree with das on Heroes - I don't understand the fascination myself. The biggest problem I have with it is Grey's Anatomy, which has fallen so far since its opening season.
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Originally Posted by Red Dog
Yeah - not bad. I agree with das on Heroes - I don't understand the fascination myself.
#7
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I find it difficult to think of a show that has fallen farther and faster than Grey's Anatomy. It was fantastic when it began, and now it's a complete disaster. I'm curious whether Shonda Rhimes is a writer/producer in name only and the producer-by-committee approach killed it, or if she's in complete control and has destroyed it herself. Score another win for Marti Noxon, though.
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#8
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Decent list, though I only watch a few shows on there... and (imo) the second half of Lost has been really strong so I'd probably add that, personally (despite some travesties mixed in.)
I agree about Heroes though. The show is generally interesting and usually entertaining, and it has a solid concept... but it does have some hamfisted and occasionally downright poor execution. (Acting, scripting, dialogue, directing, etc; ) Hopefully they'll be able to fix it up a bit for next season.
I agree about Heroes though. The show is generally interesting and usually entertaining, and it has a solid concept... but it does have some hamfisted and occasionally downright poor execution. (Acting, scripting, dialogue, directing, etc; ) Hopefully they'll be able to fix it up a bit for next season.
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#9
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Lost is on it. Here's the complete list:
Friday Night Lights
Planet Earth
Lost
Dexter
30 Rock
Heroes
Dancing with the Stars
The Office
Battlestar Galactica
House
How I Met Your Mother
Grey's Anatomy
Ugly Betty
Brothers & Sisters
Veronica Mars
Rome
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Friday Night Lights
Planet Earth
Lost
Dexter
30 Rock
Heroes
Dancing with the Stars
The Office
Battlestar Galactica
House
How I Met Your Mother
Grey's Anatomy
Ugly Betty
Brothers & Sisters
Veronica Mars
Rome
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#10
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Ah cool. I agree with maybe 7 or 8 of those. More than most lists
#13
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Dancing With the Stars as one of the best shows of 06-07? Really? No joke?
I'm not current on BSG, but I'm watching it now on DVD. Otherwise, I watch all of them except House and Dancing. But just the inclusion of Dancing With the Stars on this list makes it a little more difficult to take seriously.
I feel an Arrested Development moment coming: "Her?"
I'm not current on BSG, but I'm watching it now on DVD. Otherwise, I watch all of them except House and Dancing. But just the inclusion of Dancing With the Stars on this list makes it a little more difficult to take seriously.
I feel an Arrested Development moment coming: "Her?"
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Originally Posted by MFRONE
Dexter? Very nice
#16
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Dancing with the Stars is incredibly entertaining. It's tempting to lump all the reality/game/contest shows into one carton of suck (something people frequently and foolishly do with sci-fi ), but I'd submit that this is one of the exceptions. Of course, if I need to defend smokin' hot women parading around in little clothing in high definition, not even Hiro can save us.
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Last edited by das Monkey; 05-15-07 at 11:43 PM.
#17
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Originally Posted by aktick
But I found the list pretty revealing - basically showing that smart, innovative shows don't do really good in the ratings, IMO because Americans are either too stupid to follow or they just don't want to think when relaxing at night.
Friday Night Lights.
30 Rock
The Office
Battlestar Galactica
Veronica Mars
Friday Night Lights.
30 Rock
The Office
Battlestar Galactica
Veronica Mars
I could maybe (maybe) understand the "too stupid" business if you were talking about The Wire or Babylon 5, but none of the shows you listed requires great thought.
Lots of people watch House, CSI, and Desperate Housewives. Those shows are comparable in quality to what you have listed (at least Housewives was when I watched the first season). So I don't buy the argument of people not being smart enough to watch certain shows. I think there is a lot more to why these shows don't succeed to the levels fans of said shows think they should.
Did anyone tune into FNL and go "Oh my god, my head hurts from the complication and innovation!!!!!" this season?
(The whole American tv viewer is an idiot because they don't watch show X is a major pet peeve of mine.)
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For reference, since that first season, IMO Desperate Housewives has been about as good as latter seasons of Falcon Crest. It might not be the best example.
Anyway, I think good shows don't succeed more because of prejudice and laziness than stupidity. Instead of watching a show and giving it a chance, people make foolish generalizations about the content, and then instead of admitting that they never even tried to watch the show, they proclaim it as terrible and talk shit about it. (Then, years later, they start threads in TV Talk about how foolish they were. )
Outside of this forum and my home, I don't know anyone who even tried a single episode of Friday Night Lights. Consequently, they'll never know it's arguably the best new show of the year.
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Anyway, I think good shows don't succeed more because of prejudice and laziness than stupidity. Instead of watching a show and giving it a chance, people make foolish generalizations about the content, and then instead of admitting that they never even tried to watch the show, they proclaim it as terrible and talk shit about it. (Then, years later, they start threads in TV Talk about how foolish they were. )
Outside of this forum and my home, I don't know anyone who even tried a single episode of Friday Night Lights. Consequently, they'll never know it's arguably the best new show of the year.
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No better example for that than Buffy on these boards.
But I like your idea about prejudice a lot better than the simpler "people are too dumb to understand it" reasoning. I can easily see prejudice applying to most of the shows listed. Hell, I did it myself this season with FNL until I kept seeing it get such high praise.
But I like your idea about prejudice a lot better than the simpler "people are too dumb to understand it" reasoning. I can easily see prejudice applying to most of the shows listed. Hell, I did it myself this season with FNL until I kept seeing it get such high praise.
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I agree with:
Friday Night Lights
30 Rock
The Office
Dexter
I don't watch several of the shows included, but disagree with the inclusion of Rome. Season 2 wasn't as strong as the first, imo. I'd replace it with either The Shield, Rescue Me or Big Love (date limitations?).
Friday Night Lights
30 Rock
The Office
Dexter
I don't watch several of the shows included, but disagree with the inclusion of Rome. Season 2 wasn't as strong as the first, imo. I'd replace it with either The Shield, Rescue Me or Big Love (date limitations?).
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Originally Posted by das Monkey
Dancing with the Stars is incredibly entertaining. It's tempting to lump all the reality/game/contest shows into one carton of suck (something people frequently and foolishly do with sci-fi ), but I'd submit that this is one of the exceptions. Of course, if I need to defend smokin' hot women parading around in little clothing in high definition, not even Hiro can save us.
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I wonder how many guys would change their tune about Dancing if they actually saw it, and more importantly, what the women look like and wear, or more accurately, don't wear.
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Originally Posted by Geofferson
I don't watch several of the shows included, but disagree with the inclusion of Rome. Season 2 wasn't as strong as the first, imo. I'd replace it with either The Shield, Rescue Me or Big Love (date limitations?).
I think Big Love misses the Emmy cutoff this year. My top-5 dramas (under the Emmy schedule) are FNL, The Shield, Deadwood, Rome, and.....tough choice for the 5th one: either Rescue Me or Lost. Comedies would be The Office, It's Always Sunny in Philly, Entourage, Ugly Betty, and Earl.
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Friday Night Lights - Never watched
Planet Earth - Never heard of it
Lost - Yes!
Dexter - Never watched
30 Rock - Started off well, and got even better
Heroes - Never watched
Dancing with the Stars - Ugh
The Office - I hate this show
Battlestar Galactica - Never watched
House - Yes!
How I Met Your Mother - Legen....wait for it....dary
Grey's Anatomy - Tried to watch when it first aired, didn't like it
Ugly Betty - Never watched
Brothers & Sisters - Never watched
Veronica Mars - YES!!
Rome - Yes! Too bad it's over.
Planet Earth - Never heard of it
Lost - Yes!
Dexter - Never watched
30 Rock - Started off well, and got even better
Heroes - Never watched
Dancing with the Stars - Ugh
The Office - I hate this show
Battlestar Galactica - Never watched
House - Yes!
How I Met Your Mother - Legen....wait for it....dary
Grey's Anatomy - Tried to watch when it first aired, didn't like it
Ugly Betty - Never watched
Brothers & Sisters - Never watched
Veronica Mars - YES!!
Rome - Yes! Too bad it's over.
#24
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Originally Posted by das Monkey
I find it difficult to think of a show that has fallen farther and faster than Grey's Anatomy. It was fantastic when it began, and now it's a complete disaster. I'm curious whether Shonda Rhimes is a writer/producer in name only and the producer-by-committee approach killed it, or if she's in complete control and has destroyed it herself. Score another win for Marti Noxon, though.
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I was considering Tivo-ing Grey's this summer to catch up, but sounds like I haven't missed anything. I loved the first season and early in the second, but at some magical point it became a dating show instead of a medical show. If I had to nail it, it would be when McSteamy showed up.
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
at some magical point it became a dating show instead of a medical show. If I had to nail it, it would be when McSteamy showed up.