Blade Runner Re-Shoots, Apparently
04-27-07, 10:54 AM
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Its funny i was listening to the Esper Edition soundtrack this morning on the way to work.
The scene of her running through the glass is a tad dodgy. You can tell its the stunt guy easily. It will be interesting to see if this is true and how well it would be done. The camera angles used were perfect so i don't think they should change that at all.
I don't think there is a single release of a DVD that i am anticipating as much as this. My favourite movie of all time hands down and i just cannot wait to see all the extras they include. I hope it has the Edge of Bladerunner doc that Channel 4 in England produced. Excellent documentary. I would also like to see any of the deleted scenes such as Deckard visiting Holden when he is in the life support chamber. I just hope to god that they include the original theatrical version as well as part of the set. I have always loved the narration and as much as liked the DC i still prefer the original cut. I will settle for the International Cut being included.
The scene of her running through the glass is a tad dodgy. You can tell its the stunt guy easily. It will be interesting to see if this is true and how well it would be done. The camera angles used were perfect so i don't think they should change that at all.
I don't think there is a single release of a DVD that i am anticipating as much as this. My favourite movie of all time hands down and i just cannot wait to see all the extras they include. I hope it has the Edge of Bladerunner doc that Channel 4 in England produced. Excellent documentary. I would also like to see any of the deleted scenes such as Deckard visiting Holden when he is in the life support chamber. I just hope to god that they include the original theatrical version as well as part of the set. I have always loved the narration and as much as liked the DC i still prefer the original cut. I will settle for the International Cut being included.
04-27-07, 11:06 AM
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I love everything about this movie. I even love the monotone "Don't Walk" signs during this scene.
And don't forget the "Cross Now.....Cross Now....Cross Now."
They managed to get the whole feel, atmosphere and ambience of this movie perfect. No movie has ever come close to creating a future world as realistic IMO.
04-27-07, 12:25 PM
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Honestly, since they're releasing the other versions of the movie on the big collector's set, they can do whatever they want to this new director's cut. I'll still have the European theatrical cut and I'll be happy.
04-27-07, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by james2025a
Its funny i was listening to the Esper Edition soundtrack this morning on the way to work.
The scene of her running through the glass is a tad dodgy. You can tell its the stunt guy easily. It will be interesting to see if this is true and how well it would be done. The camera angles used were perfect so i don't think they should change that at all.
The scene of her running through the glass is a tad dodgy. You can tell its the stunt guy easily. It will be interesting to see if this is true and how well it would be done. The camera angles used were perfect so i don't think they should change that at all.
I do hope the HD-DVD/Blu-ray set includes the original versions though, warts and all.
04-27-07, 02:06 PM
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I must be blind as a bat. I've never noticed this when watching BR. In fact, there's tons of movie "errors" I never notice until they're pointed out to me on the internet.
04-27-07, 03:11 PM
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^Don't feel so bad, I'm the same way. I watch a movie to enjoy it and immerse myself in it, not to find it's faults. Ok... maybe after I've seen it 10 times I notice things but most often they need to be pointed out. I alwasy just assume that whatever is on screen is what the director intended.
04-27-07, 04:28 PM
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The new edition had better include the original theatrical cut or I will not be buying it.
04-27-07, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by KillerCannabis
^Don't feel so bad, I'm the same way. I watch a movie to enjoy it and immerse myself in it, not to find it's faults. Ok... maybe after I've seen it 10 times I notice things but most often they need to be pointed out. I alwasy just assume that whatever is on screen is what the director intended.
Me too.
Movie watching to me is all about the suspension of disbelief; not looking for errors whether they be wires, microphones or oddly positioned shadows.
04-27-07, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by james2025a
I hope it has the Edge of Bladerunner doc that Channel 4 in England produced. Excellent documentary.
04-27-07, 10:45 PM
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Hopefully, they reshoot the unicorn dream. Originally, they had shot a whole bunch of footage which was intercut with shots of Deckerd looking at photos. Unfortunately, it was all lost, and the Director's Cut just plops in a few seconds from an outtake.
04-27-07, 11:12 PM
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Man, where the hell is this? I've been waiting for this since at least 2001. Even though I own the DVD, it is one of the few I've never watched. I loved the original version and watched it at least 50 times on HBO and VHS. After buying the DVD I heard about the poor transfer and wasn't very excited about the "director's cut". I've been meaning to watch this again, and even planned a movie night double feature with Dark City for my son and I (he hasn't seen either). Now I'm wondering if I should wait some more. I've been hearing that its around the corner for more than five years.
04-27-07, 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by dhmac
04-28-07, 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Rizor
Hopefully, they reshoot the unicorn dream. Originally, they had shot a whole bunch of footage which was intercut with shots of Deckerd looking at photos. Unfortunately, it was all lost, and the Director's Cut just plops in a few seconds from an outtake.
04-28-07, 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
Actually, I was hoping they cut out the unicorn scene and all suggestion Deckard is a replicant altogether.
04-28-07, 01:29 AM
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Actually, the point of the movie is that Deckard is wrong to hunt down the replicants, because they are as human as humans, if not more so.
The entire "Is Deckard a replicant?" issue has come from two sources. One, in the book Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep? on which the film is based, there is a chapter where the hunter character (don't remember if he's called Deckard in the book, but I'll call him that here for simplicity's sake) is taken to a police station that he's never seen before in his own police district. This is an entirely separate police station that appears to run independently of Deckard's own station. While in there, he meets another hunter who has Deckard as a target, claiming he's a replicant. For a few paragraphs, Deckard wonders if perhaps he really IS a replicant, and that the police station he knows was an elaborate ruse set up to make him believe he was just a regular police hunter. But then something tips him off that he's not dealing with humans, and he kills the other hunter and the police chief and discover that they are both replicants, proving that he is NOT one. It's not a big section of the book and at the end Deckard is certain that he is human.
The second reason for the big furor over whether he's a replicant is actually due to a script error. In one draft of the script, there are six replicants who escape, and one gets fried in the escape attempt. There were scenes where Deckard retired the fifth replicant as well. In later revisions, this got turned down to the four who appear on the film, but the line in the script never got changed. So in the scene where the police captain fills in Deckard, he says six replicants escaped and one got fried. This obviously leaves five, and people wondered who the fifth was. Then someone got the bright idea that Deckard himself must be the fifth replicant, implanted with memories to believe he's a blade runner. This makes no sense on many levels. First, if Deckard was part of the group that escaped, why doesn't any other member of the group recognize him? Second, why doesn't he have the strength or the reflexes that the other replicants do? Even the ones built for entertainment beat the crap out of him.
As for it being what Scott intended, that is not true at all. As detailed in the making of Blade Runner book, the author mentions an argument between Scott and Harrison Ford. Ford felt Deckard should not in any way be a replicant and Scott felt it should be ambiguous. In later years, as fans bugged him incessantly, he eventually relented and flat out said Deckard is a replicant, further cementing my opinion that Scott's creative faculties have diminished greatly since making Blade Runner.
But Blade Runner completely falls apart in both theme and continuity if Deckard is a replicant. That's one of the many reasons my favorite version of the film is the European theatrical cut, sans happy ending.
Spoiler:
The entire "Is Deckard a replicant?" issue has come from two sources. One, in the book Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep? on which the film is based, there is a chapter where the hunter character (don't remember if he's called Deckard in the book, but I'll call him that here for simplicity's sake) is taken to a police station that he's never seen before in his own police district. This is an entirely separate police station that appears to run independently of Deckard's own station. While in there, he meets another hunter who has Deckard as a target, claiming he's a replicant. For a few paragraphs, Deckard wonders if perhaps he really IS a replicant, and that the police station he knows was an elaborate ruse set up to make him believe he was just a regular police hunter. But then something tips him off that he's not dealing with humans, and he kills the other hunter and the police chief and discover that they are both replicants, proving that he is NOT one. It's not a big section of the book and at the end Deckard is certain that he is human.
The second reason for the big furor over whether he's a replicant is actually due to a script error. In one draft of the script, there are six replicants who escape, and one gets fried in the escape attempt. There were scenes where Deckard retired the fifth replicant as well. In later revisions, this got turned down to the four who appear on the film, but the line in the script never got changed. So in the scene where the police captain fills in Deckard, he says six replicants escaped and one got fried. This obviously leaves five, and people wondered who the fifth was. Then someone got the bright idea that Deckard himself must be the fifth replicant, implanted with memories to believe he's a blade runner. This makes no sense on many levels. First, if Deckard was part of the group that escaped, why doesn't any other member of the group recognize him? Second, why doesn't he have the strength or the reflexes that the other replicants do? Even the ones built for entertainment beat the crap out of him.
As for it being what Scott intended, that is not true at all. As detailed in the making of Blade Runner book, the author mentions an argument between Scott and Harrison Ford. Ford felt Deckard should not in any way be a replicant and Scott felt it should be ambiguous. In later years, as fans bugged him incessantly, he eventually relented and flat out said Deckard is a replicant, further cementing my opinion that Scott's creative faculties have diminished greatly since making Blade Runner.
But Blade Runner completely falls apart in both theme and continuity if Deckard is a replicant. That's one of the many reasons my favorite version of the film is the European theatrical cut, sans happy ending.
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04-28-07, 04:09 AM
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OK, Supermallet, I understand where you are coming from. I first saw this in the early 80's when I was 12 or 13 and I always assumed Deckard was a replicant (I have only seen the US theatrical version). It made sense to me then, and now. I don't think it invalidates the ending at all. Batty showed more compasion than a human regardless of Deckard's status.
As far as him being one of the 4 or 5 that escaped, I never assumed that. I assumed he was a similar model as Rachael, mimicing a human in almost every way. I thought that he was specificly designed to track down replicants, much like the combat and entertainment replicants have their specialties. As replicants became more human, it would take something more than human to hunt them. I also always felt that Batty recognized him for what he was at the end.
The fact that Ford wanted it to be more clear and Scott wanted it kept ambiguous leads me to believe that it was the intention all along, not the oposite. I have also heard that Ford never liked the idea of Deckard not being human. Regardless, I can't invalidate the fact that Scott says now that he always intended Deckard to be a replicant. I can't believe he would be so off the cuff and simply agree for the fans' sake regarding a movie he considers his best.
As far as him being one of the 4 or 5 that escaped, I never assumed that. I assumed he was a similar model as Rachael, mimicing a human in almost every way. I thought that he was specificly designed to track down replicants, much like the combat and entertainment replicants have their specialties. As replicants became more human, it would take something more than human to hunt them. I also always felt that Batty recognized him for what he was at the end.
The fact that Ford wanted it to be more clear and Scott wanted it kept ambiguous leads me to believe that it was the intention all along, not the oposite. I have also heard that Ford never liked the idea of Deckard not being human. Regardless, I can't invalidate the fact that Scott says now that he always intended Deckard to be a replicant. I can't believe he would be so off the cuff and simply agree for the fans' sake regarding a movie he considers his best.
04-28-07, 09:56 AM
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I stand by my statement that since Deckard is the comparison point to Batty, we don't know whether a human would be more or less compassionate than Batty if Deckard is a replicant. If Deckard is a replicant, there only major character who is a human is Sebastian, who is very compassionate, which again invalidates the point of the ending. If Deckard is human, though, then we have a human who is less empathetic than the people he's hunting.
And I have no problem with the idea that Scott would buckle to fan pressure. I can't think of another movie he's made since Blade Runner that has been even nearly as good.
And I have no problem with the idea that Scott would buckle to fan pressure. I can't think of another movie he's made since Blade Runner that has been even nearly as good.
04-28-07, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
As detailed in the making of Blade Runner book, the author mentions an argument between Scott and Harrison Ford. Ford felt Deckard should blatantly be shown to be a replicant (clearly he didn't have a strong grasp of the material, which, considering how many drafts of the script were floating around even at the time of shooting, probably wasn't entirely his fault), and Scott felt it should be ambiguous.
04-28-07, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
Actually, the point of the movie is that Deckard is wrong to hunt down the replicants, because they are as human as humans, if not more so.
The entire "Is Deckard a replicant?" issue has come from two sources. One, in the book Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep? on which the film is based, there is a chapter where the hunter character (don't remember if he's called Deckard in the book, but I'll call him that here for simplicity's sake) is taken to a police station that he's never seen before in his own police district. This is an entirely separate police station that appears to run independently of Deckard's own station. While in there, he meets another hunter who has Deckard as a target, claiming he's a replicant. For a few paragraphs, Deckard wonders if perhaps he really IS a replicant, and that the police station he knows was an elaborate ruse set up to make him believe he was just a regular police hunter. But then something tips him off that he's not dealing with humans, and he kills the other hunter and the police chief and discover that they are both replicants, proving that he is NOT one. It's not a big section of the book and at the end Deckard is certain that he is human.
The second reason for the big furor over whether he's a replicant is actually due to a script error. In one draft of the script, there are six replicants who escape, and one gets fried in the escape attempt. There were scenes where Deckard retired the fifth replicant as well. In later revisions, this got turned down to the four who appear on the film, but the line in the script never got changed. So in the scene where the police captain fills in Deckard, he says six replicants escaped and one got fried. This obviously leaves five, and people wondered who the fifth was. Then someone got the bright idea that Deckard himself must be the fifth replicant, implanted with memories to believe he's a blade runner. This makes no sense on many levels. First, if Deckard was part of the group that escaped, why doesn't any other member of the group recognize him? Second, why doesn't he have the strength or the reflexes that the other replicants do? Even the ones built for entertainment beat the crap out of him.
As for it being what Scott intended, that is not true at all. As detailed in the making of Blade Runner book, the author mentions an argument between Scott and Harrison Ford. Ford felt Deckard should blatantly be shown to be a replicant (clearly he didn't have a strong grasp of the material, which, considering how many drafts of the script were floating around even at the time of shooting, probably wasn't entirely his fault), and Scott felt it should be ambiguous. In later years, as fans bugged him incessantly, he eventually relented and flat out said Deckard is a replicant, further cementing my opinion that Scott's creative faculties have diminished greatly since making Blade Runner.
But Blade Runner completely falls apart in both theme and continuity if Deckard is a replicant. That's one of the many reasons my favorite version of the film is the European theatrical cut, sans happy ending.
Spoiler:
The entire "Is Deckard a replicant?" issue has come from two sources. One, in the book Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep? on which the film is based, there is a chapter where the hunter character (don't remember if he's called Deckard in the book, but I'll call him that here for simplicity's sake) is taken to a police station that he's never seen before in his own police district. This is an entirely separate police station that appears to run independently of Deckard's own station. While in there, he meets another hunter who has Deckard as a target, claiming he's a replicant. For a few paragraphs, Deckard wonders if perhaps he really IS a replicant, and that the police station he knows was an elaborate ruse set up to make him believe he was just a regular police hunter. But then something tips him off that he's not dealing with humans, and he kills the other hunter and the police chief and discover that they are both replicants, proving that he is NOT one. It's not a big section of the book and at the end Deckard is certain that he is human.
The second reason for the big furor over whether he's a replicant is actually due to a script error. In one draft of the script, there are six replicants who escape, and one gets fried in the escape attempt. There were scenes where Deckard retired the fifth replicant as well. In later revisions, this got turned down to the four who appear on the film, but the line in the script never got changed. So in the scene where the police captain fills in Deckard, he says six replicants escaped and one got fried. This obviously leaves five, and people wondered who the fifth was. Then someone got the bright idea that Deckard himself must be the fifth replicant, implanted with memories to believe he's a blade runner. This makes no sense on many levels. First, if Deckard was part of the group that escaped, why doesn't any other member of the group recognize him? Second, why doesn't he have the strength or the reflexes that the other replicants do? Even the ones built for entertainment beat the crap out of him.
As for it being what Scott intended, that is not true at all. As detailed in the making of Blade Runner book, the author mentions an argument between Scott and Harrison Ford. Ford felt Deckard should blatantly be shown to be a replicant (clearly he didn't have a strong grasp of the material, which, considering how many drafts of the script were floating around even at the time of shooting, probably wasn't entirely his fault), and Scott felt it should be ambiguous. In later years, as fans bugged him incessantly, he eventually relented and flat out said Deckard is a replicant, further cementing my opinion that Scott's creative faculties have diminished greatly since making Blade Runner.
But Blade Runner completely falls apart in both theme and continuity if Deckard is a replicant. That's one of the many reasons my favorite version of the film is the European theatrical cut, sans happy ending.
Still an amazing film, and the ongoing interest and debate it stirs is just a testament to that.
And I also thought that Ford was the one that was very against the notion Deckard was a replicant.
