Rob Zombie's HALLOWEEN Teaser Trailer

[packaok]

Rob Zombie's remake of the John Carpenter classic

HALLOWEEN
The Night HE Came Home

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809784517/trailer

[GoldenJCJ]

It actually doesn't look too bad. Halloween has so many horrible sequels, it's credibility won't be too hurt by the remake.

[chaz k]

i dunno...i really want this to be good...but................

[Snowmaker]

Is Rob's wife in this one too?

[DoubleDownAgain]

Why?

What is up with all of Carpenter's classics being remade?

[packaok]

Yes, Rob's wife is in this one. She plays Deborah Myers.

[RaraFemina]

Yep, she play Deborah Myers (Michael's mother)

[onebyone]

I think that trailer looks really good. I am getting more excited for this. Restarting this may be just the way to go. After the last few sequels, that route was over.

[packaok]

http://halloweenmovies.com/rzhalloween/graphics/DanielleScoutKristina.jpg

For those who haven't been following the developments on this film, here is a pic of Annie, Laurie, and Lynda.

[chaz k]

IMO...The original is "The Godfather" of horror movies and should not be fucked with

[Zen Peckinpah]

As nervous as I am, I loved The Devil's Rejects, and if Rob Zombie can make a Batman Begins-esque "reinvention", it might not be half bad. I think the formula he should have here is to do that same "true crime" feel he gave Devil's Rejects and cross it with elements of Carpenter's movie. I'm cautiously optimistic for this.

Malcolm McDowell couldn't be more perfect for Loomis. I heard rumors about Jeff Bridges and Ben Kingsley, but I don't think there's anybody more perfect than the leader of the Droogs himself. Donald Pleasance was a British character actor, and McDowell is the same thing, and he's just so perfect. I can't think of anything else to say.

[Geofferson]

Trailer was nothing special (imo), but I'm willing to give Zombie the benefit of the doubt.

[flashburn]

So how exactly is Rob Zombie "reinventing" Halloween? Everything that I have read and seen makes it look like the same fucking movie. I was really looking forward to this when I first heard he was doing it, but seeing as its basically the same movie, I'm not quite sure I get the point. I definitely don't get why anyone could possibly think it looks interesting, just watch the original!

Maybe someone can prove me wrong, and it isn't going to be exactly the same as the original.

[EdTheRipper]

Some might consider this blasphemy, but I'm just not a big fan of the original. That being said, I'm kind of looking forward to this to see if Zombie can bring something to the table that I just couldn't find in the original.

[OwlAtHome]

Looks like the best incarnation of the Halloween movies since the original.

That's not saying much is it?

[Ronnie Dobbs]

I don't know. I wish they would release it on Halloween that makes more sense.

[scott1598]

that looked ok. and it's cool he got Danielle Harris, the little girl from part 4.

[TheNightFlier]

So how exactly is Rob Zombie "reinventing" Halloween? Everything that I have read and seen makes it look like the same fucking movie. I was really looking forward to this when I first heard he was doing it, but seeing as its basically the same movie, I'm not quite sure I get the point. I definitely don't get why anyone could possibly think it looks interesting, just watch the original!

Maybe someone can prove me wrong, and it isn't going to be exactly the same as the original.

That was my line of thinking too while watching the teaser. It just didn't look all that different than the original. Granted it was only a minute of footage. I just thought I'd see something distinct that showed Zombie's "vision." I thought I was watching the Texas Chainsaw Massarce remake in a few shots.

I really like the casting of Malcolm McDowell though :up:

[RagingBull80]

I'm looking forward to this.
Honestly, the use of the music and the mask are what had me right off. I'm glad they kept that the same.
The casting of McDowell as Loomis is perfect.

[Mr. Cinema]

This trailer looks promising. And Michael actually appears scary again.

[Mittman]

I'm looking forward to this.
Honestly, the use of the music and the mask are what had me right off. I'm glad they kept that the same.
The casting of McDowell as Loomis is perfect.

Totally agree. The mask and the music IS Halloween.

I think the biggest change in this film will be the stuff about baby Mikey and I think it'll probably take up about a third of the film. I always thought the original Halloween was a tad slow until about 45 minutes in, perhaps Zombie will speed that part of the film up and we can go from the flashbacks to the action. I really like seeing Michael's eyes behind the mask . . . scary.

[Artman]

Looked pretty good. I know Saw 4's coming out and all but couldn't they have released this closer to October? I guess August worked ok for H20's box office though... hmm.

[Ronnie Dobbs]

This worked so well for Gus Van Sant's "Psycho" no wonder the studio was jumping at the chance to do it.

[Seantn]

? Psycho was a shot for shot remake. How is this similar?

The script is online, if you read it you'll see that it's quite different from the original.

[DRG]

that looked ok. and it's cool he got Danielle Harris, the little girl from part 4.

She said in a interview she is doing a topless scene for this, if anyone's interested. ;)

[Slumbering Fist]

So how exactly is Rob Zombie "reinventing" Halloween?

The script was leaked online and the blurb/reviews I read said, apparently, the first part focuses on him as a kid and teen going nutso, being in the asylum (so there is more Loomis, more backstory on Mike’s evil development), and then the last half gets to big Mike breaking out and going on a rampage.

The audience I saw Grindhouse with showed very little reaction to the new-Halloween trailer, though, to be fair, Hostel 2 faired worse, the crowd gave it disinterested groans.

[The Valeyard]

Why on earth is this coming out in August? I would expect a movie called Halloween would come out around....um....Halloween.

[JDF5244]

I thought it looked good. Looking forward to August.

[candyrocket786]

Looks interesting. I'm in.

[TheMovieman]

I might actually go and see this. It looks pretty good, actually...

[DthRdrX]

Why on earth is this coming out in August? I would expect a movie called Halloween would come out around....um....Halloween.

If my memory serves me correctly the Halloween series has had quite a lot of releases in the July-August timeframe. Go figure. It's probably better this time than being released with Saw 4 in October.

[KillerCannibal]

I've been a huge Rob Zombie fan since '92 and I've always been behind anything he's done, but this still seems totally unecessary to me. People should be remaking bad films, not good ones and certainly not horror classics. The trailer would've looked amazing to me if Halloween had never existed until now. But it does. And this ain't it.

[JIF]

Why on earth is this coming out in August? I would expect a movie called Halloween would come out around....um....Halloween.

They're obviously running away from SAW 4. Still, I think 2 horror movies around Halloween could have been a good double feature.

[TylerDurden_73]

LOve the original, and will see this. Same with Dawn of the dead. Zombie being involved only piques my interest even more. Loved devil's rejects too.

[LivingINClip]

Running away from Saw 4, that is just messed up. I would think the franchise name "Halloween", on the actual holiday would equal guranteed sales. With that said, the trailer left me very lukewarm. The one thing I love about the original is the fact that there is no backstory on why young Mikey went crazy. He was just a boy who went crazy, broke out and killed some more.. That was the charm of it, this on the other hand, wants to go thru the current trend of explaining why the killer is who he is, which to me, equals boredom.

[RagingBull80]

I think having it come out in October woule be cool since it's called 'Halloween' and all but honestly, I'm excited that it's coming out sooner.

'Halloween' is my favorite horror movie of all-time and I actually welcome this remake. I think it's right that it's in the hands of Zombie.

Now, I don't have the same feelings about the 'Escape From New York' remake, which is one of my all-time favorites.

[The Bus]

This is probably more of a studio decision to remake Halloween and they could've done a lot worse than pick Zombie to helm it.

[wm lopez]

If the movie bombs in August than they can sell the dvd in October.
And if it's a hit than they can sell the dvd in December to all the anti-christmas crowd.

[MasterofDVD]

I'm not a fan of the original films but I am certainly willing to give the remake a shot. I felt the older movies were paced too slow and I'm sure in this day and age they have paced the movie so people with short attention spans, like myself, will enjoy the film more.

[Matthew Chmiel]

This is probably more of a studio decision to remake Halloween and they could've done a lot worse than pick Zombie to helm it.
Considering Akkad doesn't control the franchise anymore, everything is pretty much a step-up at this point now that the Weinsteins are in control. Christ, the Weinsteins can't screw the franchise up as bad as Akkad did, right? Right?

[Mercury&Solace]

Ehhhhh trailer looks boring, looks like every other low budget horror/remake film that Hollywood has been pushing out the last few years. I am on the fence.

[Seantn]

Considering Akkad doesn't control the franchise anymore, everything is pretty much a step-up at this point now that the Weinsteins are in control. Christ, the Weinsteins can't screw the franchise up as bad as Akkad did, right? Right?

That's the thing. Some people have reacted so negatively to this film, but it looks no worse than Halloween 5, Halloween 6, Halloween 8, etc... In fact, I think it looks like the best one since the original. Would you guys rather Rob Zombie put Busta Rhymes in this film? Or LL Cool J? Or how about a storlyine involving an ancient cult that causes Michael to kill? The Halloween series was on such a negative downward spiral since...well, Halloween 2 (even though I enjoyed parts of 2,3,and 4) that I don't get why people would get all up in arms about him making a Halloween film.

[Indy Jones Fan]

I can't help but think it's a huge mistake to not release this in October. I know my excitement for this movie would be ten fold if it was.

[LivingINClip]

Agree'd, something seems wrong about going to see this right in the middle of summer. It loses any atmosphere it would have goin' in.

Personally, H20 was not that bad of a film. Now Resurrection on the other hand, that was a disaster.

[Slayer2005]

Whoa. That looked pretty good. I thought it was about the dumbest thing ever to try to remake too. Hm. I thought House of a 1000 Corpses was beyond terrible though and I'm not not that harsh usually. This looks promising.

[AllHallowsEve]

A Halloween movie hasn't been release in October for around 20 years -- logic serves no basis here.

Halloween '78 and Halloween: H20 were both released in August and they did better than any of the other ones. Yes, that's correct; the original film wasn't released in October either.

The highest grossing Elm Street, Jason's highest grossing outing (F13 3 -- Part 1 doesn't count for Jason himself), and Freddy vs. Jason were all released in August.

August is just a very good month for retro horror series.

Halloween 5 was released in October and we all see how that turned out.

[Mondo Kane]

The audience I saw Grindhouse with showed very little reaction to the new-Halloween trailer

Saw it at my showing too. Wasn't blown away by it, but the crowd got some laughter at the end of it when the voice-over guy said "HALLOWEEN" which was followed by a guy in the crowd saying, "18!"

[onebyone]

From Halloween's Myspace (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=101946169&blogID=250602939&MyToken=a2df41e2-b1ff-481c-9f10-4b928e64c5e4)

Glad you all like the new Halloween teaser trailer. I know it doesn't show much, but that trailer was cut together by footage from the first 2 weeks of filming. It really doesn't show anything about the movie other than much chaos will happen.

[Indy Jones Fan]

A Halloween movie hasn't been release in October for around 20 years -- logic serves no basis here.

Halloween '78 and Halloween: H20 were both released in August and they did better than any of the other ones. Yes, that's correct; the original film wasn't released in October either.
That's not correct. Halloween was released on October 25th, 1978 and Halloween II (those are the only 2 that really matter IMO) was released on October 30th, 1981.

Also, Halloween III was released on October 22, 1982, Halloween 4 was released on October 21, 1988 and as you already stated Halloween 5 was released in October.


The highest grossing Elm Street, Jason's highest grossing outing (F13 3 -- Part 1 doesn't count for Jason himself), and Freddy vs. Jason were all released in August.
So what? Neither of those 2 franchises are Halloween (October) related.

[Chad]

Why?

What is up with all of Carpenter's classics being remade?

$$$

I remember in some sort of behind the scenes doc for one of the prior remakes hearing John Carpenter sitting on the set as a producer saying "Make me some money!". That really irked me to see just how little he cares about the art of filmmaking these days.


The script was leaked online and the blurb/reviews I read said, apparently, the first part focuses on him as a kid and teen going nutso, being in the asylum (so there is more Loomis, more backstory on Mike’s evil development), and then the last half gets to big Mike breaking out and going on a rampage.

Don't forget his mother's a stripper and he TALKS in this one. :rolleyes:

I've been a huge Rob Zombie fan since '92 and I've always been behind anything he's done, but this still seems totally unecessary to me. People should be remaking bad films, not good ones and certainly not horror classics. The trailer would've looked amazing to me if Halloween had never existed until now. But it does. And this ain't it.

Very well said! :up:


The funny thing is this is exactly the way I envisioned it looking in my head. And you just know he's going to try to make it more "extreme" and add unnecessary gore just for the sake of adding it. Needless to say, I'll be avoiding this one like a plague and totally refusing to acknowledge its existence.

And just for the record, this is coming from a fan of both Zombie and Carpenter.

[AllHallowsEve]

That's not correct. Halloween was released on October 25th, 1978 and Halloween II (those are the only 2 that really matter IMO) was released on October 30th, 1981.

Also, Halloween III was released on October 22, 1982, Halloween 4 was released on October 21, 1988 and as you already stated Halloween 5 was released in October.



So what? Neither of those 2 franchises are Halloween (October) related.


It's released when it is. You either want to see it or you don't. It's not a very difficult choice. I read somewhere that Halloween was released on Aug. 15th '78. That's why I said that.

There's no need to come across as so whiny and combative. See it or don't. I'm really not concerned about your holiday viewing habits personally.

It's been a couple decades since a Halloween film was released in October is the main point.

The point of the other two series is that horror films tend to be financially viable in August -- moreso than October. Basically, an August release won't hurt this film financially if people want to see it. If people don't, it will bomb no matter if it comes out in August, October, or July.

[AllHallowsEve]

$$$
Needless to say, I'll be avoiding this one like a plague and totally refusing to acknowledge its existence.

And just for the record, this is coming from a fan of both Zombie and Carpenter.

I'm surprised you would avoid this considering you own such films as Jason X and Halloween: Resurrection. Not what I would expect at all.

If you were solely a Halloween 1 fan, it would make sense. But it's odd that you believe this could possibly be any worse than those above films. It could equal their badness if it's really bad, but I doubt it could be worse.

And you own the Texas Chainsaw Remake, so you can't be completely anti-remake.

I'm confused...

[Seantn]

I agree. People think that Zombie will ruin the Myers character. Um...he's already been ruined! In Halloween 8 they had Michael Myers being yelled at and intimidated by Busta Rhymes. He screams at Myers to leave, and Michael actually walks away.

Also, Michael is controlled by a cult. Of course, that depends on which Halloween movie you're watching...Part 7 doesn't actually acknowledge the existence of 4,5, or 6. So really, how can the character or series get any more screwed up?

It can't. In fact, by starting over, it can only go up. Even if it sucks. It'll be better than Halloween: Ressurection.

[Chad]

I'm surprised you would avoid this considering you own such films as Jason X and Halloween: Resurrection. Not what I would expect at all.

If you were solely a Halloween 1 fan, it would make sense. But it's odd that you believe this could possibly be any worse than those above films. It could equal their badness if it's really bad, but I doubt it could be worse.

I addressed the "Halloween: Resurrection" part in a recent thread (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showpost.php?p=7761322&postcount=31):

I used to be somewhat of a completist, but I'm much better about it now. After purchasing the "Halloween: Resurrection" DVD, I finally woke up and realized just how insanely idiotic it really was to buy films that I don't even care for.

And "Jason X" I'll admit to liking in a cheesy "so bad it's good" kinda way. In fact, there's quite a few other cheesy B-movies I like as well, but I really don't see what that has to do with disliking a remake of a genre classic?


And you own the Texas Chainsaw Remake, so you can't be completely anti-remake.

I'm confused...

That was actually given to me as a birthday present back in '04 and I just never got rid of it....mostly because I'm a tin fanatic. But again, I'm gone on record saying I don't care for that one either.

And obviously I'm not completely anti-remake or I wouldn't own "John Carpenter's The Thing", "House of Wax" '59 (remake of "Mystery of the Wax Museum"), "The Omega Man" (remake of "The Last Man on Earth"). It's this recent remake trend I'm against of "re-imagining" the classics for today's "modern" audiences. What's the point? At least the aforementioned films had some originality and weren't just complete rehashes of the originals done solely for the money.

Anything else I need to defend myself against? :p

[AllHallowsEve]

I addressed the "Halloween: Resurrection" part in a recent thread (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showpost.php?p=7761322&postcount=31):



And "Jason X" I'll admit to liking in a cheesy "so bad it's good" kinda way. In fact, there's quite a few other cheesy B-movies I like as well, but I really don't see what that has to do with disliking a remake of a genre classic?




That was actually given to me as a birthday present back in '04 and I just never got rid of it....mostly because I'm a tin fanatic. But again, I'm gone on record saying I don't care for that one either.

And obviously I'm not completely anti-remake or I wouldn't own "John Carpenter's The Thing", "House of Wax" '59 (remake of "Mystery of the Wax Museum"), "The Omega Man" (remake of "The Last Man on Earth"). It's this recent remake trend I'm against of "re-imagining" the classics for today's "modern" audiences. What's the point? At least the aforementioned films had some originality and weren't just complete rehashes of the originals done solely for the money.

Anything else I need to defend myself against? :p

Nope, not at all. Time for a garage sale perhaps? Then there would be less confusion. ;)

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Don't take that as a personal attack because it's not at all. It just seemed like one of those huh? moments.

But since you collect tins and such, I suppose it makes more sense. Well, I think. Ah, I guess it doesn't really matter.

What does Jason X has to do with it? Well, not much directly. I just think anyone willing to watch that would be open to anything no matter how terrible it could end up being. Not saying that Jason X was terrible (it was to me, but it's not the point); just saying that one had to have an open mind to give that a chance. No one did give it a chance judging from how much it made, so I'd just think someone as open minded would be open minded here too.

Im not telling you that you should see this film. Im just explaining why it came across as "huh?" to me.

[Indy Jones Fan]

There's no need to come across as so whiny and combative. :confused: I was just pointing out where you were (apparently unknowingly) incorrect.

[LivingINClip]

Jason X is a damn fine B-film. It never tries to take itself series and anyone who does is missing the point of the film. Hell, it makes fun of the previous films.

[benh911]

I'll check out the new Halloween. I can understand why people would be upset about remaking a classic, but I just try not to compare the two, even if it is essentially the same story.

[rennervision]

:confused: I was just pointing out where you were (apparently unknowingly) incorrect.

I'm just appreciating the irony of that mistake, considering said individual's username. :)

[packaok]

Don't forget his mother's a stripper and he TALKS in this one.

While it is true that his mother is a stripper, remember that 2/3 of this film will take place before he escapes the sanitarium. Therefore, it is natural for him to talk. I mean, I'm sure that the original Michael was not mute as a child.

I have read the leaked script can confirm (unless it was changed by Zombie after the leak) that Adult Michael w/ The Shape Mask does not speak.

[wm lopez]

Before we get pissed let's be thankful that they didn't go hip-hop on this remake which they could have. They could have taken the HALLOWEEN theme and hip-hopd it and used a urban gehetto cast.

[Indy Jones Fan]

While it is true that his mother is a stripper, remember that 2/3 of this film will take place before he escapes the sanitarium. Therefore, it is natural for him to talk. I mean, I'm sure that the original Michael was not mute as a child.
I believe in the original Dr. Loomis mentions Michael never spoke again after he murdered his sister. A talking Michael after the murder, even as a child, will take away some of the mystique of the character IMO.

[Zodiac_Speaking]

I'm pleasantly surprised. Sure trailer are meant to sell you the movie, so the movie could be either good or bad, but it sure looks pretty cool.

I'm there.

Nothing can ruin Myers, like others have said, except the 1978 original negative being destroyed. Halloween 5-Resurrection kinda did anyway. I think most are bitchy because Zombie is a name and the first name to tackle this franchise sans Carpenter.

Hey, atleast the music is there.

[starseed1981]

Pretty effective trailer IMO. I'll see it.

[noonan4224]

They could have taken the HALLOWEEN theme and hip-hopd it and used a urban gehetto cast.

Which is exactly what Halloween Resurrection was. That movie was awful. I really liked H20 though.

[TomOpus]

I'm a RZ fan (and a Halloween fan) and I have high hopes. While it might not top the original I don't think he'll tarnish it. I believe he respects the movie too much to do that.

I'm looking forward to this... and hopefully it'll scare the crap out of me like the original did back in the theater.

[cerial442]

I'll go see this in theaters, but from what I've heard of the script I'm going in with low expectations.

[Terrell]

It can't. In fact, by starting over, it can only go up. Even if it sucks. It'll be better than Halloween: Ressurection.

There's a major difference. Those are sequels. This is a remake of a classic. Considering Zombie is a completely talentless assmunch and he turns Michael into a pathetic, stereotypical serial killer. That goes against everything Michael is.

Besides, let's be honest. There is not a snowball's chance in hell this film will ever touch the original. So why bother remaking a film if you can't at least equal it, or better it in some way? Then again, I have no interest in anything Zombie does. But he should have left this one well enough alone.

I believe he respects the movie too much to do that.

Based on what I've read about this film, I'd strongly disagree. The man knows nothing about this character or what Carpenter was doing with the originl film. This will be another stale, overly violent exploitation flick, pretty much like all of Zombies film work. That's the only thing he knows how to do, and he doesn't even do that well.

[Seantn]

Then again, I have no interest in anything Zombie does.

Really? Couldn't tell.

;)

[Terrell]

Really? Couldn't tell.

Oh, I'm sure I'll eventually see it on cable one night. That's about as much interest as I have. But only in a "morbid, wanting to see a car wreck" type of interest.

[CinemaNut]

Have to say it now..anyone saying they will avoid Zombie's Halloween, while have wasted their time and lives watching all those incredibly inane sequels cannot be taken seriously.

[Terrell]

Have to say it now..anyone saying they will avoid Zombie's Halloween, while have wasted their time and lives watching all those incredibly inane sequels cannot be taken seriously.

:lol: Please! I just explained the difference. Besides, as I said before I'll eventually see it on cable just in searching for something to watch at night. That's how I saw all of the sequels except for the original, Halloween II and IV. I rented the fourth film. Hell, I've seen tons of shit films. But I can guarantee you I won't pay one red cent to watch it in theaters. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.

[Brent L]

I can see why people would be ok with watching sequel after sequel and not ok with watching a straight-up remake of the original classic.

[Mr. Cinema]

So if someone hates this idea, why spend time in this thread?

[indiephantom]

I'll certainly go to see it. I love the first film and at least two of the sequels are brilliant (2 and 4) so I'm excited for more Michael Myers. I liked the trailer, but I get a sense that the story is now taking place in the present??? That makes little sense to me if they're trying to give us a better understanding about the real Michael Myers and what led him to become the murderer that he was. The backstory needs to be a period piece if it's really going to work and fit with the rest of the series.

[TomOpus]

Based on what I've read about this film, I'd strongly disagree. The man knows nothing about this character or what Carpenter was doing with the originl film.Link? Direct quote? I'm not saying you're wrong but I'm curious how you know his knowledge level of the character.

[AllHallowsEve]

I'll certainly go to see it. I love the first film and at least two of the sequels are brilliant (2 and 4) so I'm excited for more Michael Myers. I liked the trailer, but I get a sense that the story is now taking place in the present??? That makes little sense to me if they're trying to give us a better understanding about the real Michael Myers and what led him to become the murderer that he was. The backstory needs to be a period piece if it's really going to work and fit with the rest of the series.

The movie supposedly takes place throughout the years 1978-1995. Laurie is a baby in '78 and is 17 years old during present day -- that's where I get '95 from.

It builds up from the past to the present.

But, the present day in this film does look 2007, so I'm not sure anymore.

It seems they are really emphasizing present day in the trailer too. Maybe changes were made and they placed more emphasis on present day.

[Rogue588]

Link? Direct quote? I'm not saying you're wrong but I'm curious how you know his knowledge level of the character.Well, I some interviews with him on MTV's site. He was talking about how everything (the jumpsuit, the mask, etc) seemed to be coincidental and how his was going to be better because he was going to "explain" things in his flick. Of course, i'm paraphrasing and working from memory here, but that was the gist of it. (I'm pretty sure the link is somewhere in the other Halloween thread)

I can see why people would be ok with watching sequel after sequel and not ok with watching a straight-up remake of the original classic.So could I. They may have (for better or worse) assassinated Michael's character in the sequels, but at least they weren't "straight-up remakes".

[Brent L]

Isn't it true that Rob Zombie wasn't even originally going to use the Halloween theme?

[Rogue588]

Yeah, that's how I ended up finding those interviews. In fairness though, during the interview he never said he wasn't using it. He was very vague about it.

[AllHallowsEve]

Isn't it true that Rob Zombie wasn't even originally going to use the Halloween theme?

That's ambiguous. Many claim yes, but Zombie claims no. Some critics say it was true and Zombie changed it back after backlash from fans and the studio; Zombie says he intended on including it.

It's just a he said/she said argument and we may never know.

This film has been on shaky ground since it's inception. Between the protesters on set and the attempted site destruction by avid (psychotic?) internet fans along with the fan backlash, Rob has probably needed a bottle of Excedrin or ten throughout this process.

Seriously, this is the Star Wars fiasco of the horror world. None of the sequels, Freddy vs Jason, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake, etc., have seen the active backlash this film is getting.

The ironic part: it's not coming from the mainstream but from the horror community itself. There's a fear that this film will attract mainstream interest by a certain faction of fans. They are scared to death that this film will be successful.

If only they realized all their games are actually attracting the film more publicity.

[Brent L]

I just found the interview where he claims that he intended to use the original music the entire time, but I also found the interview where he said in response to being asked if he would use the original theme, "I don't know, we'll see" and it sure is convincing to me that he really was thinking about not using the music at all.

In watching his interviews it's made me even more worried about this film. He doesn't come across as someone doing a remake where he has complete and total respect for the original.

If he wants complete and total power over a horror movie, if he wants to be able to do whatever it is he wants, he should've just, you know, put together a totally original film that didn't have anything at all to do with Halloween in the first place.

I don't know about everyone else, but to me Halloween is the horror film, my favorite one of all time and quite possibly the greatest of all time. I'll go see this remake, if everything looks solid once it's time for the release, but I'm not going to lie and say that I'm uncomfortable about it being produced in the first place. The fact that it's Rob Zombie directing doesn't help to set my mind at ease, since I didn't care for either of his previous films.

I'm in wait-and-see mode, I'm willing to give it a shot. That still doesn't mean that I'm happy about it though.

:)

[AllHallowsEve]

His last two films weren't very successful, so he could have just grabbed on to this film to garner attention for himself by studios. If this film succeeds, he'll be offered more opportunties and jobs by studios.

It's highly unlikely this film won't make more money than his films did.

However, unless he knocks it out of the park and makes a decent film, his name won't really mean much for long. 95% of the people seeing this won't be doing so because he made it -- just as 99% of people didn't see H20 because Steve Miner made it.

It's in his best interest to try and make a good film -- no matter if he has respect for the material or not. Let's hope he does. If this film is too badly received, it could bury him. Taking on a project like this is a big gamble which could reap nice rewards or crush you.

I plan on seeing it, but it has nothing to do with Rob Zombie. I would have seen it if Ronny Yu directed (shudders)

[Brent L]

Even that 95% might be a bit high. I can't imagine there being many people out there who would be watching this movie just because Rob Zombie is involved. Not to stereotype his fans, but wouldn't most of them be going to watch a Halloween movie anyway?

Rob Zombie's House of 1,000 Corpses only brought in $12.6 million, and The Devil's Rejects brought in $17 million. The last two Halloween movies pretty much doubled the totals for Rob Zombie's movies. I don't think there's a question that this remake of Halloween will make more than either of Rob's movies have made so far. Heck, just this one movie will more than likely make much more than both of his other two movies combined.

I just hope that the morons out there don't attribute the BO total to Rob Zombie himself, but you know that many people will.

[Suprmallet]

Personally I think Halloween is the most overrated, annoying, and anticlimactic of all the major horror films. The sequences where the the Shape is going around town, and you don't know what he's going to do are some of the most suspenseful scenes in any genre. Those scenes alone declared John Carpenter as a singular directing talent. But the moment Myers starts killing people, the movie might as well be over. All the various killings are just mind numbingly boring. And don't get me started on how stupid it is that he keeps getting up over and over. I'd welcome a remake by anyone as intelligent as Rob Zombie. And while I hope he doesn't throw the baby out with the bathwater, I do hope this attracts a new audience and maybe can convince some people of the deficiencies in the original. I sure hope it gets knocked off its pedestal one of these days.

[MovieMaster11]

Looks alright but I am more interested in seeing David Arquette's "The Tripper" instead.

[Terrell]

I'm not saying you're wrong but I'm curious how you know his knowledge level of the character.

You don't need direct quotes. Just look at what he's doing with the character. He's turning him into a pathetic, cliched serial killer we've heard about a thousand times before. That is not the character that Carpenter created. Carpenter realized that the only way the original film would work so well is by keeping Myers and his motivations simple. Plus there are tons of other shit in the script that was making the rounds. He also turning this film into another one of his sick, demented exploitation flicks. The man is obviously a sick f*ck(in my humble opinion) who gets off and putting this shit on the screen.

From the script, there are the completely unecessary things you'd expect from Zombie. Since I can't do it any better, I'll quote a guy's post over at CHUD. He read the script. It was the first draft and it was the real deal.....not a fake script. It's the same one that was reviewed by Quint at AICN, the same one I read, and the same one Fangoria had.

10-year-old Michael killing and pissing over the corpse of a little girl

10-year-old Michael "furiously masturbating" over pictures of dead animals

2 guys raping a "retarded girl" while offering her to Michael and calling him a "***" (the scene never cuts away - you see both guys rape her, one after the other)

Pedophiles talking about the asses of underage girls

10-year-old Michael being called a "***" a few too many times

Underage nudity

Underage characters being described as having their stomachs "filled with cum"

Mention of Michael using the infamous "i have to take a shit" mask

Adult Michael doesn't even appear until two-thirds of the way through the film

young Michael talks

and so on and on...

But you also get to see 10-year-old Michael fondle his sister then sodomize her with a baseball bat.

Does that sound like Halloween to you? It doesn't to me. In fact, it's a total slap in the face to fans of the original and Carpenter's work. It's a shit bomb. It could be rewritten 10 times and still be turd. This film has nothing in common with the original except the basic plot and characters. That's it. But this is my opinion. Maybe I'm making a big deal of nothing. Others may be completely happy with what Zombie has done.

So in my opinion, while Zombie says he respects the original work, he really doesn't. He only cares about the original in so far as he gets to remake it in his vision. He doesn't have to make an exact duplicate as far as I'm concerned. But this is so over the top is ridiculous.

I will say a few positive things however. The casting of McDowell is inspired, even if he can't tote Pleasance's jock. The mask looks pretty damn good, even though I don't like the fact you can see Mane's eyes. One of the things that made the original mask so scary is you couldn't see his eyes. The last third of the film reads pretty good, even if it's a typical string of slasher kills.

All the various killings are just mind numbingly boring.

Couldn't disagree more. Myers killings in the first film were far more exciting and visually arresting than in any of the typical slasher films except for maybe the original Nightmare On Elm Street. As for Zombie, there's nothing at all intelligent about his filmmaking. He will never make anything that even approaches Carpenter's defining work.

[TomOpus]

Since I can't do it any better, I'll quote a guy's post over at CHUD. He read the script. It was the first draft and it was the real deal.....not a fake script. It's the same one that was reviewed by Quint at AICN, the same one I read, and the same one Fangoria had.So, you're getting your panties in a wad over a FIRST DRAFT?

This is from Wiki: Rob Zombie later confirmed that the leaked draft is not the version being filmed, saying "Whatever version of the script that anyone ever read was so old and outdated that anything anyone ever commented on was so long gone or changed it wasn’t even worth commenting on."

[Snowmaker]

Where'd the trailer go?

[Seantn]

Weird...on Yahoo Movies it says "Trailer Removed"

[Terrell]

So, you're getting your panties in a wad over a FIRST DRAFT?

This is from Wiki: Rob Zombie later confirmed that the leaked draft is not the version being filmed, saying "Whatever version of the script that anyone ever read was so old and outdated that anything anyone ever commented on was so long gone or changed it wasn’t even worth commenting on."

:lol: Likely f*cking story. This guy has lied at every turn. He's told multiple versions of the "am I going to include the theme" story. I'll put it this way. Would you like to bet that most of the things in that list don't end up in the film? I'll make that bet. The trailer confirms a couple of those things already, such as the torturing pets, etc. This is Zombie we're talking about. At the end of the day, it's not going to make a big difference in my life one way or the other. Just a big fan of the original that hates to see a hack take a dump on Carpenter's original work. Of course I was also disappointed they even allowed a remake to happen, though not surprised by any means.

[Charlie Goose]

My wife loves the original, and we've seen every sequel during their theatrical releases. She will undoubtedly want to see the remake. I just won't tell her that Jamie Lee Curtis isn't in it. :)

[chanster]

I think a remake of Halloween in Rob Zombie mode is exactly what the turds going to movies deserve lately. All this torture porn horror is getting out of control.

[Suprmallet]

I agree that crap like Saw, Turistas, etc. is really setting the bar low for horror, but I've enjoyed Zombie's other two films and I'm definitely willing to give him a chance on this.

[Zodiac_Speaking]

Many have mentioned Zombie being a hack and is ruining the film/sereis. Really? Outside of Steve Miner, ain't the others from 2-8 hacks too? I'd rather have Zombie do this than Doug Little or Rosenthal. Seriously folks, if anything, this is going to be better than 2/3 of this franchise's entries.

The original will never go away.

Synapse Don May had found a pristine negative of Halloween prior to any cuts, rememeber?

The original will never go away.

[Terrell]

Many have mentioned Zombie being a hack and is ruining the film/sereis.

I don't know if you're talking about me, but I never said he ruined the series. The series was ruined long before Zombie got his hands on it. But I've made my point about the sequels. They were sequels. This is a remake of the original, which is a classic. Big difference. Didn't really care about the sequels other than Halloween II which was a pretty good follow up. It should have ended right there. But I do care about a bad remake of Halloween.

My philosohpy is this. If you can't hope to approach the original, or better it, leave well enough alone.

[Seantn]

We get it, you're not looking forward to it.

[Artman]

My philosohpy is this. If you can't hope to approach the original, or better it, leave well enough alone.

That's why you make it different... which is certainly (for better or worse) what it's going to be. I haven't seen either of Zombie's films, but I understand he's got his own style and vision (however twisted it may be). Whether that works for this film or not... don't know. I do know that as a casual fan I'm willing to check this out much more than another by-the-numbers sequel.

[LivingINClip]

This "torture porn horror" is no different than the exploitation horror that was back in the 70's. If anything, it's less graphic, as now its all polished nonsense. Still, I would almost bet that this Halloween does include almost everything mentioned in that first draft, it seems to be the stuff that Rob Zombie enjoyed, and while I loved 'The Devils Rejects', I don't think any of those things fit into the 'Halloween' franchise. The great thing about Michael was the ultimate evil, this kid who just snapped, for no reason and went on a killing spree and as time passed, that evil just sat there. That was the part that made the movie a classic. Sadly, now'a'days, filmmakers want to over analyze the motives of the killers, give this huge backstory and take away the scare of an ultimate evil that doesn't seem human.

[Clockwork]

Considering Akkad doesn't control the franchise anymore, everything is pretty much a step-up at this point now that the Weinsteins are in control. Christ, the Weinsteins can't screw the franchise up as bad as Akkad did, right? Right?
The Weinsteins? Did you see the Black Christmas remake?

[AllHallowsEve]

The Weinsteins? Did you see the Black Christmas remake?

May the powers that be have mercy on your soul for bringing up that film in any thread...

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Some internet critics are now claiming Grindhouse's bombing is going to impact Halloween's box office?

I don't see why or how -- they have absolutely nothing in common.

If this films flops (which I doubt, but one never can be sure), I don't see why people are blaming it on Grindhouse.

[Clockwork]

May the powers that be have mercy on your soul for bringing up that film in any thread...

Good point, I won't speak of it again.

[starseed1981]

Oh dear god. I netflixed that this weekend. I should be tarred & feathered. I did love the documentary with the director where even he says he has no interest in the movie; classic.

[CinemaNut]

I can see why people would be ok with watching sequel after sequel and not ok with watching a straight-up remake of the original classic.


Really? I cant. They're suckers for punishment who lament shitty sequels, but like the guy who keeps hitting himself over the head with a hammer and asking why he has a headache, will keep punishing themselves. They want something new and fresh and when a possibility for that comes along, they piss and moan and sometimes even say stupid shit about how this is gonna rape their childhood memories or that somehow the original film is made lesser by it - all the while ignoring the horrendous sequels that did just that - and proving they dont truly want a decent attempt, just for garbage sequels.. they cant be taken seriously by me

Zombie is going to right the wrong over all those inane sequels - including part II... and just may even surpass the original, like Zake Snyder did in his Dawn of the Dead remake...and I think some fans are actually afraid there's gonna be debate about this very fact.

Truth hurts sometimes

[Suprmallet]

Who on earth is Zake Snyder? ;)

And while I am looking forward to Zombie's Halloween, there's no way in hell DOTD '04 was better than DOTD '78.

[Rogue588]

And while I am looking forward to Zombie's Halloween, there's no way in hell DOTD '04 was better than DOTD '78.Definitely.

And while we're on the subject, I think I missed the memo where it was decided that Zombie rights wrongs successfully and to perfection..

Really? I cant. They're suckers for punishment who lament shitty sequels, but like the guy who keeps hitting himself over the head with a hammer and asking why he has a headache, will keep punishing themselves. They want something new and fresh and when a possibility for that comes along, they piss and moan and sometimes even say stupid shit about how this is gonna rape their childhood memories or that somehow the original film is made lesser by it - all the while ignoring the horrendous sequels that did just that - and proving they dont truly want a decent attempt, just for garbage sequels.. they cant be taken seriously by meReally? There's a difference in the supposed furthering of a story than the retelling of a story that wasn't wrong to begin with.

[Chad]

Zombie is going to right the wrong over all those inane sequels - including part II... and just may even surpass the original, like Zake Snyder did in his Dawn of the Dead remake...and I think some fans are actually afraid there's gonna be debate about this very fact.

Truth hurts sometimes

You're kidding, right?

[thelwig14]

I thought Snyder's was better as well as the new Assault OP 13 and some others.

I think Zombie's will be different enough that both versions will be able to stand on their own. I am sorry, but after Devil's Rejects, I trust Zombie to make a sweet Halloween movie.

[cactusoly]

I don't think Rob Zombie's name will have much of an impact on Box Office. If you figure that everyone who bought his last cd Educated Horses which sold about 500,000 copies went to the movie at $10 a pop thats only $5 million at the box office. Even the last album Sinister Urge which sold 1 million copies, which wouls figure to be onlt $10 million at the box office.

[Maxflier]

I liked the Dawn remake a hell of a lot more than the original. Quite frankly, I didn't care much for the original at all.

[Peep]

I don't think Rob Zombie's name will have much of an impact on Box Office. If you figure that everyone who bought his last cd Educated Horses which sold about 500,000 copies went to the movie at $10 a pop thats only $5 million at the box office. Even the last album Sinister Urge which sold 1 million copies, which wouls figure to be onlt $10 million at the box office.

I'm not planning on going because I like his music.

I'm planning on going because I loved "Devil's Rejects". So, I think his name (as a director) will have an impact.

[AllHallowsEve]

I didn't like the original "Dawn" either; I really liked "Night."

I did like "Dawn's" remake better too. Don't jump to conclusions: I saw the original "Dawn" when I was about 11 -- long before the remake was released.

So, no... I didn't see the remake first. I saw the original many years before the remake was even on the radar.

I don't like "Day" either. The only one I like from the original trilogy is "Night."

[Johnny Zhivago]

This thread makes my head hurt... The Dawn remake better than one of the fucking classics of horror cinema, the film that defined/s an entire sub-genre?

On topic since I'm here - This remake looks like shit and I wil not be drinking from Zombie's Kool-Aid this time. I liked Devil's Rejects quite a bit but that style of violence is a little over the top for Halloween IMHO...

[Drop]

I actually look forward to Horror remakes. I've enjoyed the NOTLD remake, The Fly (even Fly II), The Thing, I'm anticipating The Wolfman, and I'm anticipating Zombie's Halloween. I'd also love to see a Creature from the Black Lagoon remake but it needs some serious talent behind it. I have to like the people involved with a remake, and really that goes for any film.

When I heard James Gunn was writing the Dawn remake (the original is my favorite film) I was really excited, and then the cast seemed pretty good. I was pretty damn dissappointed with the film, and really quite hate it. Mostly comes down to the idiocy of the characters and not believing in the zombies.

So, I'm definitely looking forward to the Halloween remake, but I think I should also lower my expectations as well. I liked the trailer but it didn't excite me.

[darkside]

IMO...The original is "The Godfather" of horror movies and should not be fucked with
Agree. The genius of the original was just how scary it was with minimal violence. It was a nice bridge between the Hitchcock style of horror and suspense and the bloody films that would follow in the 80s.

Zombie remaking this as a blood bath has zero interest for me. I consider House of a Thousand Corpses one of the worst films I have ever watched and even though he improved greatly on the second movie I don't see any evidence of him having the directing chops to pull off a remake of a classic of this magnitude.

[AllHallowsEve]

Actually, I'd still only give the Dawn remake a C. I liked it better than the original, but that doesn't mean I was crazy for it.

I don't really care for the Zombie subgenre. Never have. Night of the Living Dead is the only one I really took to -- and some people don't like that either.

This Halloween remake doesn't really bother me. If a bunch of terrible sequels didn't hurt the original, this won't. Black Christmas didn't really do anything to taint the original. People will see the remake once, say it sucks, and move on. It will vanish to the dusty shelves in the back of the video store and that will be the end of it.

I think people are afraid there will be a group who ends up liking this more than the original (the teenage group). And there will be. Nothing is going to stop that. If someone thinks the original is boring (and I know several who do), they're still going to think the same thing no matter if this remake is released or not.

40's horror fans were shocked when the Blob arrived in the 50's; People were up in arms when 70's horror displaced Hammer horror; 60's/70's fans were up in arms when 80's slashers dominated; 80's slasher fans were pissed in the 90's when Scream and its ilk "tainted" their love. Now we're in the remake era and people are pissed about that. This generation's fans will be pissed a decade from now when Saw is displaced by something else. It's always been the same thing.

[auto]

Great post...very true

[Cardiac161]

As much as there are a lot of people who loved the classics, studios will never stop remaking them for today's younger (or newer) audiences who seem to like their horror films with more gore, violence, fast cut edits etc. Forget the social commentaries, symbolism, satirical views or what-have-you that may have made the originals critically applauded...audiences who make up most of the horror movie-going population want in-your-face intensity like Saw or Hostel and consider Eli Roth, Rob Zombie & Alexandre Aja as the modern auteurs of the genre.

I've read a lot of critics who seem to wince at the level of graphic violence being portrayed in today's horror films which seem to top one method of killing from the last. But that's the way Hollywood is and I can only hope the next batch of remakes (like Escape from New York) would, not really have to pay homage to the original, but at least be a good worthwhile film to watch.

[AllHallowsEve]

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[GizmoDVD]

Can't wait. Hopefully there will be a 'Buy this DVD and get a free ticket' special.

[AllHallowsEve]

Can't wait. Hopefully there will be a 'Buy this DVD and get a free ticket' special.

Yes, but you would have to buy something like Halloween 6 to get the free ticket. Dimension doesn't own the original. I don't think that's worth the price of a free ticket. -wink-

It could be on a newer film, but with Dimension's offerings lately (Black Christmas), it's not worth it that way either.

[Kelkee]

As much as there are a lot of people who loved the classics, studios will never stop remaking them for today's younger (or newer) audiences who seem to like their horror films with more gore, violence, fast cut edits etc. Forget the social commentaries, symbolism, satirical views or what-have-you that may have made the originals critically applauded...audiences who make up most of the horror movie-going population want in-your-face intensity like Saw or Hostel and consider Eli Roth, Rob Zombie & Alexandre Aja as the modern auteurs of the genre.

Sorry to go off topic and rant here but I don't know whats worse. The directors that think their increasingly morbid ideas are screenworthy or the audience that they cater to that actually goes and pays to see this garbage branded as "new horror". Its "shock and awe" and it's lazy ass filmmaking.

The reason that the original Halloween works is because its simple. And it simply scares the mess out of you because of it.

This wave of "new horror" and the extreme graphic content it displays is simply pornographic trash.

I've read a lot of critics who seem to wince at the level of graphic violence being portrayed in today's horror films which seem to top one method of killing from the last.

Yep. It's lazy directing and quite frankly demented. Yet for the sake of "art" they can get away with this rubbish.

But that's the way Hollywood is and I can only hope the next batch of remakes (like Escape from New York) would, not really have to pay homage to the original, but at least be a good worthwhile film to watch.

Hollywood doesnt make movies that there isn't and audience for. They are catering to this distrubing trend. I see no value whatsoever in putting onscreen eviscerations, dismemberings or morbidly graphic torture scenes. Its porn pure and simple.

For what it's worth I grew up during the heyday of Halloween. It's one of my favorite horror films. Now I am not opposed to a revisit because I know there is no way it can be out done. But if this remake that Zombie is doing turns into some pornographic nightmare then he's a completely demented Hollywood sell-out fleecing the "new horror" fans. And that does absolutely nothing for the genre or the Halloween saga except line his pockets with $$$.

[Clockwork]

Halloween is the one film I personally believe to be the scariest ever made.

I see comments about the remake: "The mask looks scarier". Is the mask supposed to look scarier? Didn't Michael Myers steal it from a Hardware store? The mask serves two purposes: 1. To hide the fact that the "Boogeyman" is only 21 years old & probably looks ordinary. 2. It's very pale white, so that it shows up very well against dark backgrounds.

Halloween works because it is simple & horrifying. No action/flash/static photography or contrived backstory with added gore was necessary.

[naitram]

Agree. The genius of the original was just how scary it was with minimal violence. It was a nice bridge between the Hitchcock style of horror and suspense and the bloody films that would follow in the 80s.

Zombie remaking this as a blood bath has zero interest for me. I consider House of a Thousand Corpses one of the worst films I have ever watched and even though he improved greatly on the second movie I don't see any evidence of him having the directing chops to pull off a remake of a classic of this magnitude.

Agree with this 100%.

[Terrell]

Zombie is going to right the wrong over all those inane sequels - including part II... and just may even surpass the original

rotfl Zombie is a talentless turd who couldn't touch Carpenter in a million lifetimes. Carpenter at his worst is better than Zombie ever will be.

[killershark]

rotfl Zombie is a talentless turd who couldn't touch Carpenter in a million lifetimes. Carpenter at his worst is better than Zombie ever will be.



Carpenter at his worst is pretty damn bad.

Seriously now, The devils rejects is a great film. It most likely will hold up as a great film over time. there is no way that something like Ghosts of Mars , Vampire$ or Village of the Damned can be considered a better film than Devils Rejects.

After seeing Rejects, and knowing his admiration for the original and for Carpenter himself, I'm very curious as to what Zombie will do with this.

The original is a great movie. it will still exist after Zombie's movie comes out.

[duluthdemon]

No, actually, at the wrap party they burned the original negatives to the first Halloween. That's just how much disdain Zombie has for the original. He has been quoted as saying:

"John Carpenter...I respect the man, but he is past his prime. The only boring Halloween movie is part 1, so i'm gonna mold it into a winner. It's what I do with music, and i'm starting to do it more with film. After this, i'm seriously considering doing a proper remake of 'Night of the Living Dead'. Of course, I'll have to put my song, 'Living Dead Girl' in there somewhere. Maybe when one of the seven people in the farmhouse is turned it can begin thumping through the speakers. Right now, all my energy is focused on Halloween, so that's all I want to discuss."


1/5

[onebyone]

Carpenter at his worst is better than Zombie ever will be.

After watching Pro-Life, I would like to say that no, that's not true. Not at all. Forget The Devil's Rejects. Any of Zombie's music videos rank higher than that mess.

[droidguy1119]

Why can't I find the original seantn quote quoted above? and is it true? that's a pretty horrible thing to say.

[thelwig14]

rotfl Zombie is a talentless turd who couldn't touch Carpenter in a million lifetimes. Carpenter at his worst is better than Zombie ever will be.

You make fun of the other guy, but your statement is even worse. Carpenter at his worst? Do you even know who Carpenter is? Have you seen all of his movies?

[AllHallowsEve]

I agree. Carpenter has released some awful films in his time. People are still living through the low-budget success artist -- and that's a man we haven't seen in many years.

Carpenter is all about the cash nowadays. It's like he disappeared and some doppelganger took his place. He appears to show no care towards any of his projects anymore. Look how quickly he tossed The Fog.

I'm not saying Zombie is great. Just saying that it's possible Zombie could release something manageable.

And no, I'm not a fan... I thought House of 1000 Corpses was an utterly terrible film. However, The Devils Rejects showed improvement. Maybe this can show even more improvement. If not, a disappointment is nothing we haven't been through with this series already. I just hope that's not the case.

[droidguy1119]

Well, Carpenter has been quick to point out that his involvement on the remakes is extremely minimal. I suppose the dude has to make money somehow since he's not making anything except MoH episodes.

But yeah, Ghosts of Mars was edited terribly (not sure if this is Carpenter's fault or not). It's too bad because the plot was intriguing and could have at least made for a fun B-movie. I haven't seen Village of the Damned but I hear it is terrible, and Vampires got pretty boring after the opening. But Carpenter in his prime was one of my favorite filmmakers of all time. I didn't even really realize it, until I tallied up the number of Carpenter films in my collection. It's too bad, though -- he can so eloquently explain his process in an audio commentary -- why can't he put together a good film anymore? It seems like one should go hand in hand with the other...

I think this remake looks like a blast, though. I hope Zombie didn't bash Carpenter so badly, though. That would be pretty fucking ridiculous.

[onebyone]

Seantn's post on Zombie putting Carpenter on blast is a joke. I mean, burning the original negatives to the first Halloween? Come on.

[droidguy1119]

Seantn's post on Zombie putting Carpenter on blast is a joke. I mean, burning the original negatives to the first Halloween? Come on.I thought it sounded like a joke, but...you never know.

[RagingBull80]

I love the original Halloween. I remember being scared shitless the first time I watched it. I really do love the movie and it's probably my favorite horror film of all time. It's very close to my heart but I still openly welcome the remake. I don't see why not. It's another take on a classic story. The original movie will be just as good after this is released so I'm really not worried.

This is the same feeling I had when going into the Dawn of the Dead remake. If Halloween is my favorite horror movie then DotD is my second favorite. I liked the DotD remake. I'm a fan of the concept, so I really enjoyed it. Did I think it was better than the original? No chance in hell it was better than the original. But I really enjoyed it and it didn't tarnish the original for me at all.

There's been all this talk about the teenage audience and the "porno-horror" films that are being made. I'm relatively young, 20, and I absolutely hate the Saw films and all that other "horror" shit that has been released lately. I'm a fan of violence in movies. I don't know why but it has always just been fun to me. I'm not a fan of violence in real life at all. I'm all against violence and gore in real life. But in the movies I like, I think it's neat to have violence that suits the action on-screen. But this recent Saw shit really turns me off. I think a good story is in order and the violence helps that story along. Saw, Hostel and all that other shit are solely based on the violence and have no purpose.

I'm not a fan of Zombie's music. I listened to it a bit when I was in middle-school, when Zombie was at his peak but I'm not a fan. I really liked some of the elements of House of 1,000 Corpses but it isn't a great movie. I really enjoyed The Devil's Rejects though. I thought Zombie had improved a lot by the second movie. This Halloween remake was going to happen no matter what and I can't think of anyone better to direct it. I think that Zombie will put an interesting twist on the movie. He is making the movie his own, if he were going to just make a straight up remake, what would be the point?

And I really don't see this movie being any worse than the God-awful sequels.

I'm also still really excited to see McDowell as Loomis, I think that is perfect casting.

And as for that "qoute" of Zombie saying that stuff about the original and remaking Night of the Living Dead, I don't believe.

[Zen Peckinpah]

The Devil's Rejects was the surprise entry to my 2005 best list...great horror movie. William Forsythe actually gave an award-worthy performance IMO, and I would have never expected that.

Much like the DOTD remake, I'm cautiously optimistic. That remake turned out to be fantastic, even if it wasn't the classic Romero's original was. What I'm thinking here is for Zombie will use the true crime-like template he had with DR and mold it from there with the Michael Myers mythology. It most likely will not touch the classically atmospheric and uneasy tone the original had, but I'm confident that he might be in the right place.

Also, Malcolm McDowell as Loomis? A big FUCK YEAH to that. To me, he isn't just the guy from A Clockwork Orange, he's just goddamned underrated. I mean, Mick Travis as Loomis...can't get any better than that.

[Zodiac_Speaking]

Can't wait for the full trailer and marketing to kick in.

I'm excited.

[fryinpan1]

The Poster for Zombie's Halloween

http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/9040

[Brent L]

For the lazy:

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/187/halloween060507eu2.jpg

It also says the following at BD:

Today the official website was launched for Rob Zombie's Halloween remake, which hits theaters August 31. At the site you'll find a sweet intro, new theme song and what could be a teaser of the new poster. Read on for a peak and watch this spot for updates as they come in. After being committed for 17 years, Michael Myers, now a grown man and still very dangerous, is mistakenly released from the mental institution (where he was committed as a 10 year old) and he immediately returns to Haddonfield, where he wants to find his baby sister, Laurie. Anyone who crosses his path is in mortal danger.

[Terrell]

The devils rejects is a great film. It most likely will hold up as a great film over time.

Um, no! It's not! If you want my honest opinion of Rejects, I'll provide you to a review that I completely agree with. James Berardinelli's Devil's Rejects review with a caption:

"Aside from its poor production values, horrendous acting, and ignoble morality, The Devil's Rejects isn't engaging cinema. Even if the simple act of sitting in a movie theater watching people get hacked up for 90 minutes doesn't bother you, the dullness and repetition is likely to. The ending is a cataclysmic misfire - not only is it drawn out and self-indulgent (cut down on the slow-motion!), but it robs viewers of a chance at a catharsis and re-enforces the argument that Zombie's lone point was to create mayhem. The Devil's Rejects doesn't just deserve to be rejected, but to be buried in a hole so dank that no one will discover it. Only there will it be at home."

http://www.reelviews.net/movies/d/devils_rejects.html

You make fun of the other guy, but your statement is even worse. Carpenter at his worst? Do you even know who Carpenter is? Have you seen all of his movies?

Well since I'm a big fan, I obviously know who he is. I've seen his clunkers. But even his clunkers were more entertaining than any sh*t Zombie ever turned out.

Also, Malcolm McDowell as Loomis? A big FUCK YEAH to that. To me, he isn't just the guy from A Clockwork Orange, he's just goddamned underrated.

Yeah, that's the best news out of this production. I think he'll do a good job, though it's doubtful he could live up to Pleasance. It's like remaking A New Hope and having some not named Guiness playing Obi-Wan.

[Suprmallet]

Ewan McGregor was a better Obi-Wan than Guiness was. :p