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al_bundy
11-16-06, 10:40 AM
NYC has a bunch of free newspapers and here is the best editorial i have ever read

http://ny.metro.us/metro/blog/my_view/


The world needs more pornography. Considering the number of porn sites on the Web alone, I realize that this is a suspect statement, but quality porn plays an important role in society. It acknowledges that normal people, including women, have sexual desires and need consensual fulfillment. While American culture remains very puritanical and sex-negative — and sex is used to sell everything from car waxes to diet colas to Britney Spears’ “music” — pornography is one of the only genres that advocates for positive sexual experimentation, openness and expression. The porn that we need more of is the kind that portrays men and women as sexual equals and revels in the glories of mutual pleasure between willing individuals, whether involving one, two or more.

Often those who object to pornography insist that it is degrading, objectifies women or encourages violence. I suggest they watch more prime-time television and compare what they see there to “mainstream” porn. Last fall, CBS premiered a show featuring a wife unwillingly restrained in a dog collar by her spouse (“Close to Home”), and one featuring a bloodied woman in a cage tormented by a faceless captor (“Criminal Mind”). Fox premiered a show featuring a woman paralyzed by spider bites being raped as the venom killed her (“Killer Instinct”). While the latter was mercifully canceled, the two other shows still on the air continue to offer plots turning upon lurid sexual violence.

As the recently deceased pro-sex advocate Ellen Willis wrote, “The claim that ‘pornography is violence against women’ was code for the neo-Victorian idea that men want sex and women endure it.” When challenged by censorship advocates about the depiction of women in pornography, filmmaker Lydia Lunch simply answers, “Women never look foolish in pornography ... they get paid more than the average day job, and they’re doing what they like to do.” In order to promote sexual equality free of gender stereotyping, we need more pornography that addresses and affirms our sexuality as human beings. This does not include products like “Girls Gone Wild,” in which inebriated young women on Spring Break are encouraged to doff their clothes and make out with their girlfriends.

It’s interesting to note that studies find a positive correlation between a society’s consumption of pornography and its level of equal opportunity for women in education, employment and politics. Residents of Sweden and Denmark view a large amount of porn, but the countries have high rates of gender equality and low levels of violence against women, especially when compared to the United States. If mainstream porn objectifies women to any extent, its effects appear to be less harmful than anything Paris Hilton has done for the status of women recently.

The more society engages in open sexual discourse, the more opposition between the artificial dichotomies of male and female, subject and object, active and passive, begins to break down. Honesty and openness end sexual stereotypes, while repression helps create and maintain them. This is why a pro-sex attitude is healthier than a negative anti-porn one, and why more pro-sex porn is needed.

Minor Threat
11-16-06, 10:44 AM
grundle? Is that you?????

VinVega
11-16-06, 10:59 AM
Who could say no to porn? -other-

Bronkster
11-16-06, 11:07 AM
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a142/Bronkster/pope1.jpg

al_bundy
11-16-06, 11:10 AM
grundle? Is that you?????

too late for a poll

Bronkster
11-16-06, 11:23 AM
Not in my pants, it ain't.

eXcentris
11-16-06, 11:24 AM
The porn that we need more of is the kind that portrays men and women as sexual equals and revels in the glories of mutual pleasure between willing individuals, whether involving one, two or more.

Considering about 0.01% of porn currently produced fits that definition, this pretty much defeats the purpose of that article.

Joe Molotov
11-16-06, 11:27 AM
Considering about 0.01% of porn currently produced fits that definition, this pretty much defeats the purpose of that article.

Well, obviously that's why we need more of it!

NotThatGuy
11-16-06, 11:33 AM
*Paging art*

-p

NCMojo
11-16-06, 11:44 AM
Considering about 0.01% of porn currently produced fits that definition, this pretty much defeats the purpose of that article.
Yeah, that's true. Listen, I like porn just as much as the next guy -- well, assuming the next guy isn't Bandoman -- but the idea that pornography is great because "it acknowledges that normal people, including women, have sexual desires and need consensual fulfillment" and it's "one of the only genres that advocates for positive sexual experimentation, openness and expression" is pretty much B.S. 99.9% of straight porn isn't about showing normal people needing consensual fulfillment -- it's about some guy with a huge schlong plowing into some balloon-breasted woman over and over again and then giving her a facial at the end while she coos. It's all about the need fulfillment of the guy...

... and let's face it -- that guy represents 99.9% of the customer base. I'm not knocking the business of pornography. And I don't believe that "pornography is violence against women" -- but if you don't think pornography isn't essentially about objectifying women, then you're just being delusional.

joeblow69
11-16-06, 12:35 PM
but if you don't think pornography isn't essentially about objectifying women, then you're just being delusional.
Unless you're talking about gay porn ;)
Generally in gay porn, no one is getting objectified, and it's usually just about 2 or more people having a good time.

Bushdog
11-16-06, 12:45 PM
Considering about 0.01% of porn currently produced fits that definition, this pretty much defeats the purpose of that article.Curious where you got those numbers from.

Numanoid
11-16-06, 12:46 PM
Yeah, that's true. Listen, I like porn just as much as the next guy -- well, assuming the next guy isn't Bandoman -- but the idea that pornography is great because "it acknowledges that normal people, including women, have sexual desires and need consensual fulfillment" and it's "one of the only genres that advocates for positive sexual experimentation, openness and expression" is pretty much B.S. 99.9% of straight porn isn't about showing normal people needing consensual fulfillment -- it's about some guy with a huge schlong plowing into some balloon-breasted woman over and over again and then giving her a facial at the end while she coos. It's all about the need fulfillment of the guy...

... and let's face it -- that guy represents 99.9% of the customer base. I'm not knocking the business of pornography. And I don't believe that "pornography is violence against women" -- but if you don't think pornography isn't essentially about objectifying women, then you're just being delusional.How so? I'd say that in 99% of "mainstream" porn, the woman (character-wise) is just as much into it as the man. More, even. In fact, the man is often nameless and simply there to provide the necessary body parts -- a piece of meat, if you will.

al_bundy
11-16-06, 01:16 PM
the part that I found interesting was that the countries where porn is popular there is less violence against women and more women rights. strange that most porn is not about portraying normal relationships

eXcentris
11-16-06, 01:59 PM
Curious where you got those numbers from.

Out of my ass but it still gets the point across. :)

joeblow69
11-16-06, 02:15 PM
Out of my ass but it still gets the point across. :)
I don't think it's even close to correct, though. A very large percentage of straight porn is of the vivid variety: nice sets, hot people, just having normal sex. But the majority of porn that people talk about on the internet is of the circus variety type, where women generally are treated like pieces of meat. Just because that's what people discuss online, doesn't mean that's 99.99% of what the general population is watching.

eXcentris
11-16-06, 02:34 PM
I don't think it's even close to correct, though. A very large percentage of straight porn is of the vivid variety: nice sets, hot people, just having normal sex. But the majority of porn that people talk about on the internet is of the circus variety type, where women generally are treated like pieces of meat. Just because that's what people discuss online, doesn't mean that's 99.99% of what the general population is watching.

Alright, forget the number ok, it was used to make a point. And that point still stands. The overwhelming majority of porn is made by men for men and it ain't the vivid stuff, it's the hardcore stuff. Go to any e-tailer that sells porn and look at the top 10 best-sellers list.

Kudama
11-16-06, 02:59 PM
Out of my ass but it still gets the point across. :)
:lol: You made me bust up right when I had to answer the phone! :mad:

This is from a male perspective as I am a guy. I am definitely a proponent of porn. Porn greatly reduces the frequency of unhealthy marriages.

Person A is attracted to a certain physical type of which person B happens to be. Person B holds inordinate power over person A because of extreme sexual desire. Person A would not normally get on that well with person B but molds themself to the relationship to get that trim. They end up together. How long can person A keep up the charade persona and put up with person B. Things begin to fall apart after they have tied the knot. Two lives are ruined for a long time.

In my world person A just watches a lot of porn with people that look like person B. Person A will not end up with someone that they aren't really into, settling just because they are horned out. Porn is a saving grace. It is good.

Of course, I am referring to legally produced porn. I guess the word "porn" blankets some pretty scary areas as well. -eek-

Lord Rick
11-16-06, 03:15 PM
I have this song in my head - "Send in the pr0n, where is the pr0n..."