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LorenzoL
10-31-06, 05:48 AM
"President Evil"
The underground campus casino is robbed on Halloween, while Veronica is looking for Logan; Dean O'Dell and his wife want Keith to help track down the biological father of Mindy's son.
Cast: Kristen Bell, Enrico Colantoni, Percy Daggs III, Jason Dohring, Francis Capra, Ryan Hansen , Michael Muhney, Tina Majorino, Chris Lowell, Julie Gonzalo, Ed Begley Jr, Jamie Ray Newman, Richard Grieco.
Director(s): Nick Marck.
Producer(s): Joel Silver, Rob Thomas.
Writer(s): Jonathan Moskin , David Mulei .

Original Airdate: October 31, 2006.

dolphinboy
10-31-06, 08:35 PM
Wow, the CW isn't doing VM any favors tonight.

They are airing it on Halloween after a Gilmore Girls repeat.

I'm afraid of what the rating will be and if this is a signal that they might be letting the 13 episodes just play out.

I'm not thrilled with it so far, but this is still a good enough show to finish the season and with a new network, I think it should be given another year to gain viewers as people adjust.

Jimmy James
10-31-06, 10:08 PM
I just have to get in here and say that Wallace is a moron. He deserves to be caught because he cheated, but he deserves it an extra special amount for handing the test in after like 15 minutes with all the right answers. Even Ben and Felicity had more sense than that.

bigjim25
10-31-06, 10:37 PM
There is no Camp Waterloo in Pineville, WV

Jimmy James
10-31-06, 10:39 PM
There is no Camp Waterloo in Pineville, WV

Camp Waterloo was supposed to be in Pineville, WV?

There is NOTHING in Pineville, WV. Six cousins of mine grew up there. I have been there several dozen times over my life. If there is a one horse town, this is it. There is a state park just outside the town, but that's about it.

Daytripper
10-31-06, 10:44 PM
What's up with Weevil's skin? Hives or acne on the left side of his face and across his forehead. I also barely recognized him this year, he's gained a few el bees.

dolphinboy
10-31-06, 11:01 PM
This show really repeats itself.

I know they tried to set Weevil up in the first 5 minutes to have a reason to be involved, but I didn't buy it for a minute that he would have or that Veronica would have believed that he could be involved in putting a gun to her.

And as big of a dick Lamb is, enough is enough with him believing that Keith would be involved with killing someone.

The dean of a prestigious college happens to be involved in kidnapping and Wallace cheats, so badly, that he didn't get past turning the test in before getting caught.

I'm not a mean guy, but between the weight and his face, maybe Weevil should have been the one not in the last few episodes, so that Mac could be.

And the twists with the rapes are already getting so confused that I'm reduced to having to take notes.

wmansir
11-01-06, 07:06 AM
I agree on just about every point db, although the rape case's twists are kind of par for the course with seasonal mysteries.

If Wallace couldn't work out the answers to the test on his own then he should find a new major. First semester engineering courses really aren't that hard. At my school I don't even think we could take actual engineering courses unless perhaps you brought some AP calculus and physics credits with you, it was all foundation stuff. The exception to this were half credit field introduction classes. You had to take at least 2 from different engineering fields before you were allowed to declare a major and they were really more recruiting tools than work, probably the most fun classes I took.

They really shouldn't shoot Weevil in the daylight. Looks like they figured that out too. By the end of the episode Weevil's jail scenes had a nice Walter E. Kurtz look going on. The horror...

movieking
11-01-06, 07:20 AM
Weevil's face was distracting tonight, with all of those bumps on the left side. His weight gain was really obvious last night.

I don't know where they are going with Wallace's storyline. I think that he is too smart to be that stupid. I can't see him just writing down the answers, without taking the time to seemingly do the test. I think that there is more to the story than what we have been led to believe.

LOL'ed at the "Adrian Monk" line.

wmansir
11-01-06, 07:39 AM
Forgot to add the 'voice over' scene was pretty funny since the actor playing Cliff really is a voice actor for the most part. The pay off "When you're here, you're family" had me lol, but they really shoehorned the setup in. There was no reason to conduct such an elaborate hoax.

Good to see Lamb get some decent screen time too. Mr. Roboto was also pretty funny. I'm not sure where they are going with him, he almost seemed nice to V at the end.

movieking
11-01-06, 08:01 AM
Now that Lamb is a regular, he'll definitely get more screen time.

I love Cliff. I wish he was a regular. He definitely has a distinctive voice.

Patman
11-01-06, 08:05 AM
I thought it was an entertaining enough episode, but it was disappointing to see VM jump to the obvious conclusion of Weevil's guilt so quickly, and Wallace is a knucklehead. Now Claire not owning up to knowing the guy in the ATM photo is a head-scratcher.

Ayre
11-01-06, 08:46 AM
The Lamb comment "Hey Beautiful, we'll be back to pick you up later", I think was supposed to be a parody of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYEXBTlWf_4

Which was really, "Hey good lookin, we'll be back to pick you up later".

movieking
11-01-06, 09:05 AM
The Simpsons Did It First!

Jimmy James
11-01-06, 09:05 AM
The Lamb comment "Hey Beautiful, we'll be back to pick you up later", I think was supposed to be a parody of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYEXBTlWf_4

Which was really, "Hey good lookin, we'll be back to pick you up later".

Whatever it was, that Lamb line was the co-highlight of the night (along with the Olive Garden line) for me.

Kevin M. Dean
11-01-06, 09:13 AM
I like the background comment when Lamb was doing the Robot. Someone off-screens says "Sheriff's doing the robot again....(some veronica/lamb dialog)... let me get my camera phone."

movieking
11-01-06, 09:29 AM
Yeah, they were talking about Lamb doing the dance in the background. Funny stuff.

Sean O'Hara
11-01-06, 09:46 AM
I thought it was an entertaining enough episode, but it was disappointing to see VM jump to the obvious conclusion of Weevil's guilt so quickly,

To be fair, it's worked in the past -- he stole the money for the senior class trip, and he set Thumper up in a way that ensured he'd be murdered by the Fitzpatricks.

Birrman54
11-01-06, 09:59 AM
To be fair, it's worked in the past -- he stole the money for the senior class trip, and he set Thumper up in a way that ensured he'd be murdered by the Fitzpatricks.

yea the whole poor Weevil schtick get's old fast. He's pulled that card numerous times when in fact, he's been quite guilty.

bboisvert
11-01-06, 10:09 AM
I'm not here to bitch and moan about the show (I love it), but this was probably the weakest written one I've ever seen. It's all been brought up in this thread already but:

1. V thinking Weevil's guilty without thinking what an obvious set-up it was.
2. Wallace storyline just didn't make any sense. He has the questions for the test, but can't figure out the answers? And then, when he gets the answers, he turns in his test first, well ahead of everyone else?
3. The over-elaborate plan to get Grieco into the office.
4. V almost about to break down and cry when Logan showed up after the stickup seemed out of place too.

Plus, V didn't really do much cool 'investigation' stuff this time. I figured she'd drop a bug (or her cell phone or something) into the thief's bag to track them.

No biggie (every show has a bad ep), but this one had some really lazy writing. Seemed like everyone took a week off and just let an intern throw together a 'filler' episode.

wmansir
11-01-06, 10:50 AM
I agree it was weak in terms of plot/story, but the I think the dialog/character stuff was probably the best we've had all season. The sudden appearance of a sentimental necklace was a bit contrived, but it was nice to see Veronica get emotionally involved in a case. I think she cared more about finding that trinket than finding the rapist. As mentioned, the Lamb and Cliff stuff was good. We also finally got a little Logan/Weevil smack talk. And there was also the pizza shop scene, which I also liked.

Regarding Wallace, I read a theory on another board that perhaps Wallace didn't cheat, but instead wrote some sort of confession in his exam book. It would fit what I remember of his scenes, and makes more sense than him being such a bad cheat, but I don't see the point of pulling something like that over on just the viewers.

starseed1981
11-01-06, 12:00 PM
I'm not here to bitch and moan about the show (I love it), but this was probably the weakest written one I've ever seen. It's all been brought up in this thread already but:

1. V thinking Weevil's guilty without thinking what an obvious set-up it was.
2. Wallace storyline just didn't make any sense. He has the questions for the test, but can't figure out the answers? And then, when he gets the answers, he turns in his test first, well ahead of everyone else?
3. The over-elaborate plan to get Grieco into the office.
4. V almost about to break down and cry when Logan showed up after the stickup seemed out of place too.

Plus, V didn't really do much cool 'investigation' stuff this time. I figured she'd drop a bug (or her cell phone or something) into the thief's bag to track them.

No biggie (every show has a bad ep), but this one had some really lazy writing. Seemed like everyone took a week off and just let an intern throw together a 'filler' episode.

I agree completly. And what is with Weevil becoming such a fat ass.

MrX
11-01-06, 12:03 PM
Lamb's scenes were all great. I actually enjoyed the mainstory, but Wallace's dragged.

vinhj
11-01-06, 12:31 PM
I'm not here to bitch and moan about the show (I love it), but this was probably the weakest written one I've ever seen. It's all been brought up in this thread already but:

1. V thinking Weevil's guilty without thinking what an obvious set-up it was.
2. Wallace storyline just didn't make any sense. He has the questions for the test, but can't figure out the answers? And then, when he gets the answers, he turns in his test first, well ahead of everyone else?
3. The over-elaborate plan to get Grieco into the office.
4. V almost about to break down and cry when Logan showed up after the stickup seemed out of place too.

Plus, V didn't really do much cool 'investigation' stuff this time. I figured she'd drop a bug (or her cell phone or something) into the thief's bag to track them.

No biggie (every show has a bad ep), but this one had some really lazy writing. Seemed like everyone took a week off and just let an intern throw together a 'filler' episode.

1. I don't think she was mischaracterized in suspecting Weevil...it's been shown in the past that she makes some one-sided snap judgements on her bad boys. I just didn't like they wild and uncontrolled way that she accused him.
2. It looks like a Heroes-esque twist to me (although big thumbs down if it isn't...no one should be that stupid when cheating).
3. Agreed, but it was some great cheese from Cliff :)
4. Not sure why Logan was even in this episode. I was hoping for some great Weevil/Logan interactions.

I think you're right. Everyone was (loosely) in-character, but it seemed like the writing was just 'cashing in the check' this episode.

CaptainMarvel
11-01-06, 02:14 PM
I'm still not 100% sure Wallace cheated on the test... I wouldn't put it past the writers for him to have written "I bought a copy of the test, but I can't go through and cheat" on his paper.

movieking
11-01-06, 02:24 PM
I agree with CaptainMarvel. That is exactly what I think happened. As I posted earlier, I just don't buy Wallace being that stupid to blatantly cheat.

Jeremy517
11-01-06, 02:41 PM
I'm still not 100% sure Wallace cheated on the test... I wouldn't put it past the writers for him to have written "I bought a copy of the test, but I can't go through and cheat" on his paper.

That was the first thing that I thought of also.

Rypro 525
11-01-06, 04:48 PM
Well, it wasn't by much, but VM did beat GG in the ratings by number of viewers. 2.27 for GG and 2.77 for VM.
Now, where's that statue. (for those that don't know, according to Rob Thomas, that if Veronica Mars ever beat Gilmore Girls, then the CW would build a statue of Kristen Bell at their corporate office.

bboisvert
11-01-06, 04:56 PM
^

I don't know if he clarified that GG couldn't be a repeat. :) If not, we got him on a technicality. I'd vote for this pose:

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/1435/vmarsbq3.jpg

Nick Martin
11-02-06, 03:26 AM
^^
Where did you get that image?

Is there a larger version of it somewhere?

dolphinboy
11-02-06, 05:15 AM
^^


Is there a larger version of it somewhere?

Filming in and around San Diego would be my guess.

FantasticVSDoom
11-02-06, 08:37 AM
Have to agree with those that dont think Wallace cheated...I just thought he did a "I could have, but didnt cheat" thing when he turned in the one he bought.

rfduncan
11-02-06, 09:26 AM
And as big of a dick Lamb is, enough is enough with him believing that Keith would be involved with killing someone.
Did we actually get any genuine statements from him thinking Keith was guilty? I think all that was pressured by the FBI guy from L.A. who was wagering the accusations. Lamb was just along for the ride.

And the twists with the rapes are already getting so confused that I'm reduced to having to take notes.
Agreed, but I'm certainly happy to be confused more each week!

My favorite line of the night was something like "And that's when I ran into my old friend, Square One.":lol:

bboisvert
11-02-06, 10:04 AM
^^
Where did you get that image?

Is there a larger version of it somewhere?

AICN, of all places. Here it is about 1000x1500:

http://www.aintitcool.com/images/veronicamars.jpg

ENDContra
11-02-06, 03:06 PM
I think those that think Wallace didnt cheat on that test are just in denial...I just watched all of those scenes, and theres absolutely nothing to make me think he "did the right thing". Notice the look Wallace has on his face when he answers the door...it goes from the everythings alright look to the "Aww fuck" look pretty quick. And the song playing repeats the line "Im busted" over and over. Ok, so it does look like he turns in two tests, perhaps his test as well as the "study guide", but the way it plays out doesnt indicate anything other than he got caught cheating. I guess we will find out Tuesday though?

sven
11-02-06, 03:14 PM
^

I don't know if he clarified that GG couldn't be a repeat. :) If not, we got him on a technicality. I'd vote for this pose:

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/1435/vmarsbq3.jpg


Ahhhhhh when her hair was still short and she was still smokin.

Son_Of_Zod
11-03-06, 12:20 AM
Yeah, looked like Eli had a run in with a beehive.

Brent_MN
11-03-06, 02:27 AM
Ahhhhhh when her hair was still short and she was still smokin.

yah, she's a real uggo now. :scratch2:

i loved the "Adrian Monk" thing, too.

Rex Fenestrarum
11-03-06, 03:28 AM
OK, so I only pop in to the TV forum every so often, so if this has been mentioned in a VM thread before I apologize:

Francis Capra (Weevil) has some kind of leg injury. It's probably not something with his bones, because doctors are giving him steroids for it. That's what's causing the zits and weight gain. You can also see that he's limping (slightly) in the show.

Chew
11-03-06, 07:54 AM
^ Interesting.

Between "Adrian Monk" and "Frack", VM is certainly doing a good job of referencing the non-broadcast shows this season. :)

Slayer2005
11-03-06, 08:18 AM
Ahhhhhh when her hair was still short and she was still smokin.


-ohbfrank-

She's more smokin now than ever. May I recommend you try Lasik Eye Surgery? :)

SuperBatMan
11-03-06, 03:28 PM
OK, so I only pop in to the TV forum every so often, so if this has been mentioned in a VM thread before I apologize:

Francis Capra (Weevil) has some kind of leg injury. It's probably not something with his bones, because doctors are giving him steroids for it. That's what's causing the zits and weight gain. You can also see that he's limping (slightly) in the show.

Ahh, I knew something had to be up with him, injury-wise. He was always pretty well-built, so for him to let himself go seemed really strange. I figured there was an injury of sorts over the summer break.

This was an okay episode. I agree with the others with not liking Veronica quickly jumping to blame Weevil for the casino robbery. I don't think Weevil would steal something that Libby gave V, considering how close Weevil and Libby were before she died.

I also agree with people that Wallace wrote 'I bought a copy of the test to cheat, but I couldn't.' on his test. I never got the impression he answered all the questions, as the teacher only looked at the front page, and I would think a test would be longer than one page.

The ending twist with the rape storyline left me scratching my head, and wondering where it's going.

Slayer2005
11-03-06, 04:13 PM
I think you mean "Lilly". :)

sven
11-03-06, 04:27 PM
-ohbfrank-

She's more smokin now than ever. May I recommend you try Lasik Eye Surgery? :)

Are you buyin?

Still you're completely and utterly wrong. I never said she was ugly now though. Just not nearly as good looking as she used to be. She's just your average good looking TV chick instead of being one of the hottest on TV. Its been scientifically proven.

SuperBatMan
11-03-06, 04:35 PM
I think you mean "Lilly". :)

Crap. I had a total brain fart when I went to mention her name, and I got Lost and VM mixed up.

Yeah, Lilly. I'm losing my mind.:lol:

WallyOPD
11-03-06, 04:52 PM
Are you buyin?

Still you're completely and utterly wrong. I never said she was ugly now though. Just not nearly as good looking as she used to be. She's just your average good looking TV chick instead of being one of the hottest on TV. Its been scientifically proven.

I've seen the study to back this up, plus it's just common sense. Veronica with short hair was perfection.

joefrog91
11-03-06, 05:36 PM
Short hair on women rocks! Long hair just gets in the way.

Anywho, Wallace didn't cheat. He turned in a note saying he bought the answers. I truly believe this and will be vindicated next Tuesday.

Jimmy James
11-03-06, 05:43 PM
Wallace bought the test. He cheated no matter whether he wrote the answers down or not.

Nick Martin
11-03-06, 07:05 PM
Francis Capra (Weevil) has some kind of leg injury. It's probably not something with his bones, because doctors are giving him steroids for it. That's what's causing the zits and weight gain. You can also see that he's limping (slightly) in the show.

I'll add to that with this:

After some digging around, I found out that Capra said Weevil would never use a wheelchair, hence the medication/acne/weight gain. He said that at some fan convention held in the summer with other VM stars called "BE Blowout".

hahn
11-03-06, 07:20 PM
Francis Capra was the kid in "Kazaam"?!!! My mind just blew.

Check out the hilarious still shot of him with Shaq on IMDb: http://imdb.com/gallery/ss/0116756/Ss/0116756/1-10.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Capra,%20Francis

If you flip through the photos on IMDb, there's one of him as Weevil with a dyed red hair girl behind him on his motorcycle. Who is she? Upcoming character? Don't remember her from before, but Capra looks like his old self in the pic.

Nick Martin
11-03-06, 09:08 PM
If you flip through the photos on IMDb, there's one of him as Weevil with a dyed red hair girl behind him on his motorcycle. Who is she? Upcoming character? Don't remember her from before, but Capra looks like his old self in the pic.

She was the lead singer of a band called "The Faders".

Her name is Molly Lorenne, and Capra, along with Jason 'Logan Echolls' Dohring, were in a music video for the band's biggest hit "No Sleep Tonight", which can be found on the VERONICA MARS soundtrack, and was heard in the season 2 episode "Blast From The Past".