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Deftones
09-07-06, 09:53 AM
Since we are posting funny pictures about the Blue-Ray debacle, this was posted in the HD Forum PS3 thread.....

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/awmurray/trainwreck.jpg

Liver&Onions
09-07-06, 10:04 AM
OK, guys...even though the whole thing is turning on it's head we need to make sure not to go down this bashing route. We didn't allow funny pics about Xbox or Wii...so we better stop with the BD/PS3 goodness. Sorry :(

Save Ferris
09-07-06, 10:05 AM
photoshopped

pinata242
09-07-06, 10:08 AM
photoshopped
:lol: Say it ain't so! I was sure that was an actual BD freight car.

Deftones
09-07-06, 11:49 AM
OK, guys...even though the whole thing is turning on it's head we need to make sure not to go down this bashing route. We didn't allow funny pics about Xbox or Wii...so we better stop with the BD/PS3 goodness. Sorry :(

Oh, come on. This is far more light hearted than the stuff in the HD forum (surprisingly).

xmiyux
09-07-06, 12:03 PM
Yes, but the VG forum has always had a much stricter no-tolerance policy - especially around launches. It makes everything go so much smoother.

Flay
09-07-06, 12:04 PM
Let's not add pictures to the thread. But for those looking for funny pics & videos, This visit to a certain site would end your waiting, but take you away from dvdtalk.com. ;)

Noonan
09-07-06, 12:43 PM
Let's not add pictures to the thread. But for those looking for funny pics & videos, This visit to a certain site would end your waiting, but take you away from dvdtalk.com. ;)

rotfl

edstein
09-07-06, 12:55 PM
Great site Flay. Although I must have missed something, what is with the crab reference?

PixyJunket
09-07-06, 01:15 PM
Great site Flay. Although I must have missed something, what is with the crab reference?Sony was showing off some game at E3.. and the exact quote was something like this: "The game features actual battles based on historic Japanese wars.. and here's a giant enemy crab." Then something about changing weapons in real time and the giant enemy crab having a weak point as being revolutionary.

Michael T Hudson
09-07-06, 03:09 PM
Unless I remember incorrectly, the origial PSX had 3 composite (yellow for video, white/red for stereo sound) outputs. There wasn't a component cable for PSX, that I can remember. But, the subsequent versions of the PSX had an all in one cable.


You are correct. I just mixed up component and composite.

Liver&Onions
09-07-06, 03:37 PM
Oh, come on. This is far more light hearted than the stuff in the HD forum (surprisingly).

yeah, what miyu said. It's not that this is out of hand at all, but what we do for one console we have to do for the other. It's better just to hit the site Flay is talking about... www.thisiswaiting.com :)

kvrdave
09-07-06, 04:00 PM
Well, a small amount of good news for everyone like me who are actually looking forward to the Blu-Ray capabilities of the PS3. Here is a quote from www.thedigitalbits.com:

"On an interesting related note, a number of our industry sources are telling us to expect the PS3 to one of the best - if not THE best - Blu-ray Disc players on the market initially, because the unit has apparently been put through very rigorous QC to test format spec and disc compatibility. We shall see. FYI, the PS3 streets in the U.S. on 11/17."

So maybe it won't be just a cheap software only BR player.

This would make me happy if it wasn't just trying to be better than the Samsung. It doesn't take much to be better than that.

PixyJunket
09-07-06, 04:50 PM
It goes against everything I believe in to post a link to this site but you HAVE to hear this, I'm in tears from laughing.

http://angrysonyfanboy.ytmnd.com/

kakihara1
09-07-06, 05:09 PM
It goes against everything I believe in to post a link to this site but you HAVE to hear this, I'm in tears from laughing.

http://angrysonyfanboy.ytmnd.com/

Nice!

Seriously though this thread has me bummed everyday because that guy is right. There is never anything new that is in a positive light. It's all bad news. :(

I want to see something good come along about this system. Someone please post a cool video or a screenshot or something. :)

Supermallet
09-07-06, 05:18 PM
http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/130/930022_20060511_screen005.jpg

From Assassin's Creed, which is now, what's that? Yes, coming to the Xbox 360.

PixyJunket
09-07-06, 05:19 PM
My good news will be a few years down the line.

I'll give you a hint:

"It all began with... birth by sleep."

pinata242
09-07-06, 05:20 PM
My good news will be a few years down the line.

I'll give you a hint:

"It all began with... birth by sleep."
Stop it. It already pains me enough that by then I'll have no choice.

Supermallet
09-07-06, 05:20 PM
Pixy, just out of curiosity, what if they charge $100 for FFXIII and the spin-off game? Will you buy it at launch?

kakihara1
09-07-06, 05:20 PM
From Assassin's Creed, which is now, what's that? Yes, coming to the Xbox 360.

Still a cool picture and that is what I was asking for :) thx man it's refreshing

PixyJunket
09-07-06, 05:22 PM
Stop it. It already pains me enough that by then I'll have no choice.:lol: It's no use denying the inevitable.

PixyJunket
09-07-06, 05:25 PM
Pixy, just out of curiosity, what if they charge $100 for FFXIII and the spin-off game? Will you buy it at launch?I don't care about FFXIII. :D2:

Supermallet
09-07-06, 05:26 PM
Okay, suppose an eventual Kingdom Hearts III is $100.

PixyJunket
09-07-06, 05:33 PM
Okay, suppose an eventual Kingdom Hearts III is $100.You know the answer to that.

pinata242
09-07-06, 05:34 PM
Gah, it just really dawned on me that there's no chance of KH3 not being on the PS3 as long as Disney and BV are squarely in the BD camp. Not that I expected much of a chance of that anyway...

Michael Corvin
09-07-06, 07:44 PM
http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/130/930022_20060511_screen005.jpg

From Assassin's Creed, which is now, what's that? Yes, coming to the Xbox 360.


Damn that is cool. Worth quoting to show the beauty of that shot again. I'm looking forward to seeing that on the 360.

Supermallet
09-07-06, 08:21 PM
Gah, it just really dawned on me that there's no chance of KH3 not being on the PS3 as long as Disney and BV are squarely in the BD camp. Not that I expected much of a chance of that anyway...

By the time we see KH3, the PS3 won't cost $600.

pinata242
09-07-06, 09:09 PM
I'm sure it won't be $200 either. If there were two must-haves for me, it would be easier to swallow. KH3+DQ9 or KH3&4. The PS3 may well be the first console I buy used or borrow from a friend. I hate spending that kind of money on a few games, but I'd hate not playing those games even more. Oh, to be single and childless...

Supermallet
09-07-06, 10:05 PM
Considering the amount of games that won't be exclusive to the PS3, I don't know if I'll buy one at any point, unless Sony does a 180 and churns out a ton of great exclusives. Right now FFXIII and MGS4 just aren't enough, even if you throw in GOW3 and KH3.

mrpayroll
09-07-06, 11:16 PM
Oh, to be single and childless...

Take it from me, it's the worse thing that could ever happen to a person. Children are the most important things in life, not video games!

The best would be married with children and a next generation console.

The family that plays together... :)

Chris

pinata242
09-07-06, 11:21 PM
The family that plays together... :)
The girls are cool with it and the cost. It's just the wife that doesn't understand. I'd gladly trade her for a PS3 at times ;)

GreenMonkey
09-07-06, 11:54 PM
The girls are cool with it and the cost. It's just the wife that doesn't understand. I'd gladly trade her for a PS3 at times ;)


pfft

It was my wife (g/f at the time) that bullied me into pre-ordering the PS2 with her. She was also the one to buy our Gamecube.

You need a wife upgrade, not a wife->PS3 swap :D

pinata242
09-08-06, 12:04 AM
You need a wife upgrade, not a wife->PS3 swap :D
Yours sounds like an upgrade. You done with her? I'll send you mine + $50.

GreenMonkey
09-08-06, 12:09 AM
Yours sounds like an upgrade. You done with her? I'll send you mine + $50.
:lol:

She's used, and comes with the 8mo old baby accessory. :D

pinata242
09-08-06, 12:26 AM
:lol:

She's used, and comes with the 8mo old baby accessory. :D
No deal. I've got two out of diapers, no way I'm going back.

collven
09-08-06, 03:42 AM
Take it from me, it's the worse thing that could ever happen to a person. Children are the most important things in life, not video games!

The best would be married with children and a next generation console.

The family that plays together... :)

Chris


Childless and loving it!!!

Sorry, just had to throw my 2 cents in there, heh.

kvrdave
09-08-06, 03:00 PM
rotfl

Take my wife....please! :(

mrpayroll
09-08-06, 03:08 PM
rotfl

Take my wife....please! :(


http://www.nealkarlen.com/images/hennyLarge.jpg

Chris

DRG
09-08-06, 04:51 PM
Children are the most important things in life, not video games!

So why isn't there a Children Talk forum area here? ;)

mrpayroll
09-08-06, 05:46 PM
So why isn't there a Children Talk forum area here? ;)

They do! :confused:

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/262/forumso7.th.jpg (http://img75.imageshack.us/my.php?image=forumso7.jpg)

Also search in Child Forums! (Kinda hard to see in my picture)

:lol:

Chris

maingon
09-09-06, 02:43 PM
http://gaming-age.com/media/2006/september/ps3_boxart/1.jpg

this is what the box art is gonna look like, from gaming-age.com, the artwork is the size of a blueray case, if thats the case, its ugly how the ps3 is one the side.

Draven
09-10-06, 10:42 PM
Probably not a good sign.

Reuters Article (http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=reutersEdge&storyID=2006-09-08T124607Z_01_T73859_RTRUKOC_0_US-SONY.xml&from=business&src=090806_1056_ARTICLE_PROMO_also_on_reuters)

Sony hits stumbling blocks on road to recovery

By Nathan Layne
TOKYO (Reuters) - It seems to be one thing after another for Sony Corp. (6758.T: Quote, NEWS, Research) these days.
After a recall involving millions of Sony-made personal computer batteries and yet another delay for the PlayStation 3 game console, even one of Sony's top executives is questioning whether the company is on the right track.

"If you asked me if Sony's strength in hardware was in decline, right now I guess I would have to say that might be true," game unit head Ken Kutaragi said after Sony pushed back the PS3's European launch by four months to March.

The delay means Sony will miss the crucial Christmas shopping season in Europe, giving Microsoft Corp. (MSFT.O: Quote, Profile, Research) and Nintendo Co. (7974.OS: Quote, NEWS, Research) a head start in the race to win over next-generation gamers in key markets like Germany and Spain.
But for investors, the bigger worry is what the setback says about Sony's reputation as a top-class manufacturer with the ability to deliver quality products to the market on time.

The news came within weeks of two major recalls by PC giants Dell Inc. (DELL.O: Quote, Profile, Research) and Apple Computer (AAPL.O: Quote, Profile, Research) of Sony lithium-ion batteries that can overheat and catch fire.

"All of this has raised concerns about whether there is something fundamentally wrong with Sony's manufacturing process," said Mitsushige Akino, chief fund manager at Ichiyoshi Investment Management. "And it could further damage the Sony brand."

The incidents will serve as a wake-up call for Ryoji Chubachi and Howard Stringer, who have experienced mostly success since becoming president and CEO of the world's second-largest consumer electronics maker in June 2005.

The duo inherited a bloated conglomerate that seemed to have lost the ability to churn out hit products. The Walkman had been replaced by Apple's iPod as king of portable audio, while Sharp Corp. (6753.T: Quote, NEWS, Research) had taken the lead in LCD TVs.

Sony now has a market value of $43 billion, less than half of rival Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd.'s (005930.KS: Quote, Profile, Research) $112 billion, which was smaller than the Japanese firm before 2002.
Stringer and Chubachi moved swiftly to slash jobs, sell off non-core assets and focus resources on key areas such as chips and flat screens.

FALLING BEHIND

The reforms appeared to be paying off.
Helped by strong demand for a new line-up of LCD TVs and a recovery in its PC business, Sony booked a 68 percent jump in operating profit for the past year ended March. Profit is expected to fall this year, however, due to heavy start-up costs for the PS3.

Sony pushed back the PS3's European launch because production of a component for the laser in the optical disc drive had fallen behind schedule. It was the second delay this year for Europe. North America and Japan are still set for a November launch.

Shinko Securities analyst Hideki Watanabe sees both the PS3 delay and the battery recall as manifestations of deeper problems rooted in poor management decisions taken during the 90's when Nobuyuki Idei was at the helm.

He says Sony was slower than rival Matsushita Electric Industrial Co. (6752.T: Quote, NEWS, Research) to recognize the rapid shift to digital from analog technologies and was quicker to adapt. Matsushita worked harder at shortening lead times and cutting costs.
"In the digital era speed is everything," Watanabe said. "This is Idei's legacy. The new management knows what it has to do but there is such a big gap. Matsushita is running at full speed and it won't be easy for Sony to catch up."

Watanabe does not expect Sony to lose Dell and Apple as customers because the batteries are highly customized and it would be very difficult for the PC makers to make a switch.

He sees the PS3 production problems as a far more dangerous development because the game division has been a cash cow for Sony, helping keep the group afloat as it posted heavy losses on core electronics products.
"I see a major risk that Sony's presence in the game market will weaken," he said. "Investors will have to start considering the possibility in the future that the game division will not produce any real profits at all."
Sony's stock has lost 5 percent since Dell announced its recall in mid-August, lagging a small gain in the broader Tokyo market. Sony is up some 20 percent, though, since it was announced in March 2005 that Stringer would take the top job.

Certainly things have improved markedly since Sony stunned investors in April 2003 with an unforeseen quarterly loss of about $1 billion in what came to be known as the Sony Shock.

"Sony has no doubt passed through the worst stage," said Ichiyoshi's Akino.
"But investors can't let their guard down."

(Additional reporting by Kiyoshi Takenaka)

Supermallet
09-10-06, 11:02 PM
http://gaming-age.com/media/2006/september/ps3_boxart/1.jpg

this is what the box art is gonna look like, from gaming-age.com, the artwork is the size of a blueray case, if thats the case, its ugly how the ps3 is one the side.

Talk about ugly.

I'm still waiting to see what the Wii boxart looks like.

The Bus
09-11-06, 12:23 PM
Dunno if this has been mentioned:

"After its initial launch of 400K units into the U.S. market, SCEA plans to ship another 800K units via air-freight through the end of the year, making 1.2 million units total... Speaking to analysts late last week, the firm added some flesh to the bones of its recent announcements. The split between premium (60GB) and core (20GB) units at U.S. retail stores should be roughly 80/20. Sony believes it can ramp monthly PS3 production to 1.2 million units by January due to anticipated improvements in blu-ray laser supplies."

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3785&Itemid=2

Sony's market is split roughly 2:1 between NA and Japan. NA will be better off upon launch, but Japan will get a larger share (respective of its market size) through the end of the year. Mind you, this is Sony's first console launch that is international, since the PS2 launched a long time before in Japan than the US. A friend had imported his and I was playing DOA2 months before we saw it here on the DC.

Save Ferris
09-11-06, 12:38 PM
Does it bug anyone that the "Spiderman" font is the same as the "Playstation 3" font? Everytime I see their font I cant shake the feeling that its copying spiderman. I know its a sony studio, but its really distracting.

kakihara1
09-11-06, 12:40 PM
Does it bug anyone that the "Spiderman" font is the same as the "Playstation 3" font? Everytime I see their font I cant shake the feeling that its copying spiderman. I know its a sony studio, but its really distracting.

Yeah I thought that was pretty lame myself.

Michael Corvin
09-11-06, 01:26 PM
Does it bug anyone that the "Spiderman" font is the same as the "Playstation 3" font? Everytime I see their font I cant shake the feeling that its copying spiderman. I know its a sony studio, but its really distracting.

:lol: I thought I was the only one.

Draven
09-11-06, 01:31 PM
They've been using that font forever, and I don't think they've even denied that it's the "Spider Man Font."

I am surprised they stuck with it for so long. Seemed very prototype-esque when it was first revealed.

Supermallet
09-11-06, 02:05 PM
I think the general consensus is that the Spider-Man font looks awful.

Save Ferris
09-11-06, 03:52 PM
Either they think the Spiderman movie is weak and needs to borrow recognition from the playstation or the other way round. Its not an accident that they share the same font--I just cant think of a good reason why they did it.

Draven
09-11-06, 04:01 PM
The font came before the PS3, so I think it's clear that someone at Sony likes the font so they stuck with it.

Remember Spider Man 2 was originally the pack-in UMD for the PSP. I guess Sony really likes Spider Man.

UncleGramps
09-11-06, 04:21 PM
I think the Spidey font works well for the movies, but it's a little goofy that they're using the same exact font for the official PS3 logo. :shrug: Of course, on the long list of problems that I have with the PS3, the choice of font is way at the bottom.

Save Ferris
09-11-06, 04:34 PM
It just seems like a really amateur design move.

--they couldnt think of a better font?
--the clueless guys in suits saw the spidey poster and said "hmm use that!"
--too cheap to make up a whole new font?
--too many people calling the shots and the guy who approved it had no clue its the same font

But I agree, how well the damn thing works is much more important than whats on the outside.

Michael Corvin
09-13-06, 03:05 PM
Out of boredom at work I got to thinking about the "Entitlements." Not only is it a piss poor ripoff of the Achievement system on the 360, but it is just a bad term in general.

en‧ti‧tle‧ment
1. the act of entitling.
2. the state of being entitled.
3. the right to guaranteed benefits under a government program, as Social Security or unemployment compensation.

Entitlement sounds like something that is automatically guaranteed to you, not something that is "achieved" through hard work and determination.

But maybe that's just me.

pinata242
09-13-06, 03:08 PM
Sounds like a social issue. Ascribed vs Achieved status.

Look ma! I remember something from Sociology!

Save Ferris
09-13-06, 03:34 PM
Can we blame it on 'Engrish'?

Or they jumped at seeing the '-title-' in the middle of the word?

Sadly much of this launch doesnt look well thought out. Im hoping though, that if their online service is free, it will pressure xbox to do the same.

DRG
09-13-06, 04:19 PM
Out of boredom at work I got to thinking about the "Entitlements." Not only is it a piss poor ripoff of the Achievement system on the 360, but it is just a bad term in general.

Entitlement sounds like something that is automatically guaranteed to you, not something that is "achieved" through hard work and determination.

But maybe that's just me.

No, I agree. Best alternative would be 'Accomplishments' but I suppose that starting with an 'a' would be even more obvious that it's a stolen idea.

Binger
09-13-06, 04:26 PM
Sadly much of this launch doesnt look well thought out. Im hoping though, that if their online service is free, it will pressure xbox to do the same.


Actually, I'm not so sure that I support a free service the more I think about it. Since most online stats are tied to a gamertag, with a free service, what's to stop a player who achieves a certain level of skill from just deleting thier online account and starting a new one? Take Battlefield for the 360 for example, or Halo for that matter, goods players would be able to "de-rank" almost immediately and would ruin the expierence for new players that are just getting the feel for a particular game. I know that they drop thier stats to do this today, but at least they have to put some effort in losing their stats in order to do it. With a free system, what stops them from "hitting reset" at any particular time?

xmiyux
09-13-06, 05:00 PM
Actually, I'm not so sure that I support a free service the more I think about it. Since most online stats are tied to a gamertag, with a free service, what's to stop a player who achieves a certain level of skill from just deleting thier online account and starting a new one? Take Battlefield for the 360 for example, or Halo for that matter, goods players would be able to "de-rank" almost immediately and would ruin the expierence for new players that are just getting the feel for a particular game. I know that they drop thier stats to do this today, but at least they have to put some effort in losing their stats in order to do it. With a free system, what stops them from "hitting reset" at any particular time?

Exactly. I also like the thought that if some asshat actually does get his account shutdown it was hopefully a paid account and not a free 2 month card.

jeffdsmith
09-13-06, 05:28 PM
Actually, I'm not so sure that I support a free service the more I think about it. Since most online stats are tied to a gamertag, with a free service, what's to stop a player who achieves a certain level of skill from just deleting thier online account and starting a new one? Take Battlefield for the 360 for example, or Halo for that matter, goods players would be able to "de-rank" almost immediately and would ruin the expierence for new players that are just getting the feel for a particular game. I know that they drop thier stats to do this today, but at least they have to put some effort in losing their stats in order to do it. With a free system, what stops them from "hitting reset" at any particular time?

Could simply tie it to the hardware, thats what Nintendo does and it prevents this. I suppose someone could go buy another console if they really wanted to, but its likely easier to just use another credit card for the 360 for alternate profiles.

Binger
09-13-06, 06:19 PM
Could simply tie it to the hardware, thats what Nintendo does and it prevents this. I suppose someone could go buy another console if they really wanted to, but its likely easier to just use another credit card for the 360 for alternate profiles.


Only works if they don't allow multiple accounts per console. However, I doubt they would do this because, unlike a handheld such as the DS, many consoles are shared with different family members. I'm not criticizing Sony, but a free online system, in my opinion, would be a disaster just like PS2 online. Who's going to buy another console? Nobody, but if all you have to do is delete an account and get a new "gamertag", that will happen quite a bit. I see this as a possible "Yahoo" situation. I must have a dozen Yahoo email accounts, not to mention Gmail and Hotmail. When I need to sign up on a site with a different email address, I just go to Yahoo and set up another BS account. Simple as that.

The difference on the 360 is that they have to invest another $50 to "start over". I would love for online to be free on all consoles, but if the PS2 is any indication of Sony's commitment to online gaming, then I am very skeptical about their implementation of a "real" service.

Supermallet
09-13-06, 09:59 PM
Besides, the reason we're paying for Xbox live is for network upkeep and so on. Sure, paying for marketplace purchases also goes towards this, but the way I see it, the only way for Sony to make money from a free live service is to have all of the downloads be for purchase, and at higher prices than on the Xbox. Not only that, since Sony HAS to have that revenue for upkeep, it could get to the point where they require developers to purposely leave items out that must be bought online.

Edit: Of course that's just my speculation and it may not come to pass, but Sony has to get that money from somewhere.

edstein
09-13-06, 10:14 PM
I know its a cliche but, you get what you pay for.

PixyJunket
09-14-06, 04:53 PM
Boy, I'm glad I'm really not interested much in online gaming. :)

Binger
09-14-06, 05:16 PM
You know, I had another thought on the free online gaming. Another thing that is better about a pay service is that you don't have every little punk with a console ruining the game for you. The difference with a pay service is that you have to want to play online in order to shell out for the service. I'm not a "hardcore" gamer by any means, but if I'm playing Battlefield or Team Slayer on Halo I don't want to have my expierence ruined by people killing me on my own team. Sure there are plenty of punks with mommy and daddy footing the $50 bill for service and not everyone has broadband, but could you imagine if everyone that had a console and broadband jumped online? It would be a nightmare that would probably kill the service.

Binger
09-17-06, 09:32 AM
I just read that this thing dosen't have a IR receiver, is that right? Even though I have reservations about it I'm thinking of picking one up at launch, but if that is correct how are we supposed to watch BD on it, with the controller?

Fandango
09-17-06, 11:53 AM
That would make sense for the time being. In the future they might release a bluetooth one or something.

DRG
09-17-06, 12:40 PM
It just seems like a really amateur design move.

--they couldnt think of a better font?
--the clueless guys in suits saw the spidey poster and said "hmm use that!"
--too cheap to make up a whole new font?
--too many people calling the shots and the guy who approved it had no clue its the same font

Some of the rejected logo ideas:

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/9164/ps3logosoz7.jpg

Fandango
09-17-06, 12:57 PM
Virtua Tennis 3 runs at 1080p.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3153716

DJ_Longfellow
09-18-06, 08:41 AM
So, what is the release date? Has it been announced? Just curious

Michael T Hudson
09-18-06, 09:32 AM
(CNN) -- Kids aiming to persuade their parents to buy the PlayStation 3 have some new ammunition -- donating their PS3's down time to researchers could help cure Alzheimer's, Parkinson's or mad cow disease.

This November, Sony's PS3, with a price tag from $499 to $599, will challenge Microsoft's XBox 360 and Nintendo's Wii in a battle royale for holiday dollars when it hits stores in the United States and Japan.

The PS3 uses a powerful new processor called the Cell Broadband Engine to run highly realistic games like "Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07," "Metal Gear Solid 4" and "Full Auto 2." It also has a 20GB or 60GB hard drive (depending on the model) and can connect to the Internet either wirelessly, or with an Ethernet hookup so gamers can download new programs and take each other on.

The PS3's chip is the same one IBM is using in a supercomputer it's building for the Department of Energy. That computer is expected to reach speeds of one pentaflop, or 1,000 trillion calculations per second. (Full story)

"It has so much horsepower and, of course, when you're playing a game all that horsepower will be used for the game. But there are a lot of times during the day when somebody's not playing the game," said Sony's Richard Marks. "It seemed like a good idea to be able to use that horsepower for something else that is, in this case, good for mankind."

Sony worked with Stanford University's Folding@home project to harness the PS3's technology to help study how proteins are formed in the human body and how they sometimes form incorrectly.

Improperly formed proteins are linked to a number of diseases, including Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, cystic fibrosis, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, also known as Lou Gherig's disease, and bovine spongiform encephalopathy, better known as mad-cow disease.

"What you can imagine is that if a machine was assembled incorrectly, it can do damaging things," said Vijay Pande, who runs the Stanford project. "You can imagine a car that's screwed up and someone tries to drive it, then maybe it crashes into things and causing problems."

Proteins start out in the body as long strings of amino acids and have to assemble themselves into complex shapes -- a process scientists call folding -- before they can do anything. The challenge for scientists is that folding is difficult to observe because proteins are so small and the process is so fast -- about 10 one-millionths of a second.

Scientists are using computer simulations instead, but that has its own limitations. It takes about a day for a computer to simulate a nanosecond (one-billionth of a second) so it would take about 30 years for that computer to complete one simulation.

Folding@home uses a network of about 200,000 personal computers to simulate how proteins assemble themselves. Dividing the complicated calculations into smaller packets enables the computers to do jobs that would strain the most powerful supercomputers.

"These calculations that we have to do are very challenging. Even if we were given all of the supercomputer resources in the country we still would not be able to do the types of things that we can do with folding@home," said Vijay Pande, who runs the Stanford project.

A network of PS3s would run even faster. Pande said that a network of 10,000 PlayStations would increase speeds by a factor of five, and 100,000 would be 50 times faster than what they can do today.

"It turns two years into one month, and that's a huge thing for us," he said. "It's more than us just being impatient, there are calculations that we don't run right now because any calculation that would take more than two or three years, we don't even start it."

To participate, users will just download a program into the PS3's hard drive. Then they just need to leave the machine on when they're not playing. The Folding@home team will divide their complex calculations into manageable chunks and then send it to the participating machines. The program and data will take up 10 to 20 megabytes - or about the size of a handful of MP3 files, Pande said.

When the PS3 is done processing its chunk it will send the data back.

Makers say the program won't run when someone is using the PS3, because it might bog down the game.

Sony says it plans to sell about 2 million PS3s in the United States and Japan before the end of the year, and 6 million worldwide by next March.

Since all of those units are pretty much the same, developers did not have to make compromises that would slow the Folding@home program down.

"You don't really know what you're getting on any given PC, so you have to write the program in a general way so that it will run on weaker machines and stronger systems, Marks said. "They have to write programs sort of to the lowest common denominator, whereas on our system it can be finely tuned to completely leverage what we have."

The PS3 also has a graphic chip that lets users watch the protein as it folds and from different angles, said Klaus Hofrichter, another Sony developer.

"These interfaces are very nice looking, very scientific in a certain way. ... You can use the controller and navigate around," Hofrichter said.

That might make people more likely to download and run the program, Pande said.

All PS3s connect to the Internet, and Sony plans to make it easy for gamers to get the program when they go online, Marks said.

"What we want is for people just to have to make the decision to contribute electricity and benefit mankind," Marks said.

Michael Corvin
09-18-06, 10:48 AM
Sounds cool but I'm staring at a $600 console. You want to use my console to cut your workload by 2000%.* Put some money where your mouth is. They put a positive spin on it, "we could cure a disease!" but the likelyhood of that happening is still nil.

I pay the electric bill for having that PS3 on 24 hours a day as well as the $600 for a console. Give me $10-$20 off a game or something.

*random number

fumanstan
09-18-06, 12:02 PM
So, what is the release date? Has it been announced? Just curious

Nov 17th, I think.

Anubis2005X
09-18-06, 12:56 PM
Sounds cool but I'm staring at a $600 console. You want to use my console to cut your workload by 2000%.* Put some money where your mouth is. They put a positive spin on it, "we could cure a disease!" but the likelyhood of that happening is still nil.

I pay the electric bill for having that PS3 on 24 hours a day as well as the $600 for a console. Give me $10-$20 off a game or something.

*random number

I thought it was an Onion article at first until I double checked and it came from CNN...huh.

kvrdave
09-19-06, 04:23 PM
Sounds cool but I'm staring at a $600 console. You want to use my console to cut your workload by 2000%.* Put some money where your mouth is. They put a positive spin on it, "we could cure a disease!" but the likelyhood of that happening is still nil.

I pay the electric bill for having that PS3 on 24 hours a day as well as the $600 for a console. Give me $10-$20 off a game or something.

*random number

I see this as no different than the "We can't export these because the chip is so powerful that Saddam could gain nuclear technology with it." It seems pretty weak to me. And if it could really help cure those things, drug companies would gladly buy all 2 million that are suppose to be out by the end of the year at full price.

It's like people thinking that pop can tops can cure breast cancer.

gcribbs
09-19-06, 09:48 PM
I see this as no different than the "We can't export these because the chip is so powerful that Saddam could gain nuclear technology with it." It seems pretty weak to me. And if it could really help cure those things, drug companies would gladly buy all 2 million that are suppose to be out by the end of the year at full price.

It's like people thinking that pop can tops can cure breast cancer.


People use their computers to do the same thing. Some researchers think it might reduce the time needed to find a cure for some forms of cancers.

I was told today that my local GS is going to let me reserve one of the 2 or 3 PS3's they think they are going to get. They figure the reserves will happen in the next few weeks. I am also going to preorder the Wii from them.

I hope the manager does not leave until the preorders happen.

Michael Corvin
09-21-06, 01:21 AM
Gran Turismo to ship with no cars and no tracks? :wtf: Probably bogus but read on for fun anyway.

Linky (http://digitalbattle.com/2006/09/20/gran-turismo-hd-is-a-total-rip-off/)
According to Famitsu, Gran Turismo HD will be released in two versions, one with no cars or tracks (at all) and the other, called “premium” with 30 cars and two tracks. Then the point is to go online and buy additional cars through Sony’s online system. The price of cars will range from $0.43 to $0,80, while the price of tracks ranges from $1.71 to $4.26. There are approximately 750 cars and 50 tracks in the game. You do the math.

Now, any sane person will immediately acknowledge this as probably the biggest next-gen rip-off in 2006. Never mind the $600 console, or the $60 games, selling games “empty” and charging for the content is unheard of in today’s videogame culture. Apparently, milking every penny out of loyal gamers is the true “next-gen” spirit.

Now that is taking microtransactions to a whole new level.

Save Ferris
09-21-06, 06:46 AM
but who would possibly want *ALL* 750 cars?????

;)

xmiyux
09-21-06, 06:59 AM
I have a really hard time believing that is really the case. Nobody could possibly see that as a good business decision and it woul dmake far more sense to have 20 cars like that to test the waters. Then next iteration 50 and gradually acclimate people to that model. Switching to a new generation and dropping a bomb like that would be a very poor strategy.

edstein
09-21-06, 07:54 AM
I have a really hard time believing that is really the case. Nobody could possibly see that as a good business decision and it woul dmake far more sense to have 20 cars like that to test the waters. Then next iteration 50 and gradually acclimate people to that model. Switching to a new generation and dropping a bomb like that would be a very poor strategy.

Don't be too sure. This is coming from the same company that thought UMD movies would sell for $29.99.

kakihara1
09-21-06, 08:04 AM
Don't be too sure. This is coming from the same company that thought UMD movies would sell for $29.99.

rotfl

Seriously though I don't think there is any way they'll take the microtransaction thing that far. But you know damn well that this is how Sony is gonna get money out of their "free" online service. There will be cars and tracks packed in the game but you can bet there will be others available for purchase, but hey PGR3 did this also. The difference between the Sony service and Live will be....

Sony: Free to get online with the service and possibly play restricted online games but you'll most likely have to pay some sort of cost to unlock all of the online options for each game. And you will have to pay for additional content

MS Live: One fee for all games. And you have to pay for additional content.

Either way you look at it online gaming on both systems is gonna cost you money. Take COD2 for example sure you can play the game online without restriction on the live service, but if you don't buy the additional content people either have to not select the maps you don't have or you get booted from the match. While there were people that held out I think everyone has the maps now, it's a peer pressure system. No you don't NEED the maps but you will be getting them cause everyone else has them.

they make the cars for GT cheap at around fifty cents each cause they figure you'll buy a few that way. They make the tracks in the few dollar range each because they know you'll be forced to buy them.

PixyJunket
09-21-06, 08:19 AM
Scary.

Mok
09-21-06, 10:04 AM
http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/first-look-at-the-playstation-3-packaging-202219.php

looks like it ready to ship.

click on the link to see pictures.

pinata242
09-21-06, 10:06 AM
Interestingly those are 20gb versions. What are the odds of that :P

edstein
09-21-06, 10:41 AM
I still really hate the spiderman font. They should have come up with something more original than that.

Brent L
09-21-06, 10:58 AM
I hate the Spider-Man font also. I'll never be able to think of anything else every time I see it.

From that link:

"Looks real to me. The only problem is that stack is the entire US allotment."

:lol:

As for the GT story, while I don't think it's true, I wouldn't be shocked at all to find out that they actually did that.

hail2dking
09-21-06, 11:18 AM
http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/first-look-at-the-playstation-3-packaging-202219.php

looks like it ready to ship.

click on the link to see pictures.

nothing ready to ship there but a bunch of empty boxes (at least those are ready). That guy is unpacking them to set up a display. Look at all the TV's on the wall in the background with "Playstation" written on the wall.

Look how the boxes are stacked (especially the ones on the top in the back), if these are 20+ lbs there is no way they wouldn't fall over. Plus, the PS3 that he is holding has the chrome/silver on the front, only available on the 60gb version.

Michael Corvin
09-21-06, 01:58 PM
I think he is setting up a display as well. What warehouse has a wall of TVs setup for the employees?

I find the fashion sense of the guy in the photos more funny than the PS3 responses. Jeans rolled up to his knees with hiking boots on. The only thing that would complete this getup would be a fanny pack.... oh wait...

Brent L
09-21-06, 03:11 PM
There is a huge thread at GAF about that GT deal. It looks like it's 100% real.

PixyJunket
09-21-06, 03:24 PM
There is a huge thread at GAF about that GT deal. It looks like it's 100% real.The rumor was printed in Famitsu, which is HUGE in Japan.. and highly reputable.

That doesn't make it true, but it makes it likely.

Brent L
09-21-06, 04:02 PM
I didn't mean that it was confirmed that it was going to happen, just that the story was true. Famitsu rumors seem to end up being true more often than not though. Would it really shock any of you if it ended up happening? I could see them making the "game" a pack-in with PS3 systems for free.

Save Ferris
09-21-06, 04:06 PM
Maybe they're trying to avoid having to charge $100 per game. Maybe its the lesser of two evils?

s}{ammer
09-21-06, 04:28 PM
I didn't mean that it was confirmed that it was going to happen, just that the story was true. Famitsu rumors seem to end up being true more often than not though. Would it really shock any of you if it ended up happening? I could see them making the "game" a pack-in with PS3 systems for free.

if it is a pack-in game that would be a wonderful thing for Sony, but they need to announce that soon so as to not turn off the loyal fans who think they are going to take it up the butt this gen for having a PS3. Since it's a port of GT4 that wouldn't be a bad thing to buy the one or two cars you want for a couple bucks just to see the graphics capability of the PS3 but if you have to shell out $30-60 for this game and then buy the cars and the tracks it's a total ripoff.

s}{ammer
09-21-06, 04:32 PM
Maybe they're trying to avoid having to charge $100 per game. Maybe its the lesser of two evils?

If they are going to charge $100 a game just to get a complete game then not only is Sony screwed but so are we. I am counting on Sony pushing MS to lower the price on 360 games and hoping the Wii is popular enough to do the same. If PS3 games are $100 you can bet the 360 game prices will creep up too, starting 3rd party (the age old development cost card) and then MS will raise theirs too. Prolly not to $100, but at least 70-80. I for one will not be interested in buying any games priced that high. In fact I was just posting in the 360 thread how I am going to start only renting most games since $60 is too high IMO. I know you get a lot of hours of entertainment out of the games, but if you can pay $12.99 a month and play any game you want 2 at a time, why pay $60-70 just to own the game???

fmian
09-21-06, 06:23 PM
http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/first-look-at-the-playstation-3-packaging-202219.php

looks like it ready to ship.

click on the link to see pictures.

That PS3 in his hand looks like a photocop. The guy is all out of the focus but the console seems to be sharper and from a higher resolution source or something. It doesn't seem to fit in his hand properly and in the second shot, I don't think anyone in their right mind would lift a pre-release PS2 like that. Maybe he was putting out a dvd player or something and someone edited the pic.

Supermallet
09-21-06, 09:03 PM
So, I don't understand. You buy Gran Turismo HD and get what, a menu? And the rest is downloadable for a fee? What if you aren't connecting your system to the internet? I'm so confused.

Michael Corvin
09-21-06, 10:02 PM
So, I don't understand. You buy Gran Turismo HD and get what, a menu? And the rest is downloadable for a fee? What if you aren't connecting your system to the internet? I'm so confused.

In theory it doesn't sound all bad. If my options were pay $60 and get 20 cars I don't want or $50 and buy the cars I do want, :shrug: maybe makes sense. Maybe. What doesn't make sense is who wants to pop in a new game and spend a half hour downloading shit before you can even play it?

Supermallet
09-21-06, 10:09 PM
But if the game comes with no cars and no tracks, what is going to be on the Blu-ray disc? Why not just make it all a download-only game? What is physical media for in this case?

tenaciousdave
09-21-06, 11:12 PM
The $499 PS3 now has HDMI. Looks like it's no longer the tard pack.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/734/734010p1.html

A question on why HDMI only is in the high level version of the PS3 only. Kutaragi explains that sony was worried that if they put the HDMI in the lower version, some would complain about having to pay for something they don't want. However, HDMI penetration has come faster than expected. He then asks people if they want HDMI in all models. Everyone in the audience says yes. He then confirms that all models, including the 20 gig version, will have an HDMI port.

They're also dropping the 20 gig version's price in Japan. Not here though.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3153875&did=1

UPDATE: SCEA told 1UP that the price drop in Japan for the 20 GB version of the PlayStation 3 is exclusive to that territory and that the scheme for the U.S. pricing of the console would remain identical. $499 for the 20GB version of the console and $599 for the 60GB SKU. However, as previously reported, both versions now have HDMI.

collven
09-22-06, 03:21 AM
The $499 PS3 now has HDMI. Looks like it's no longer the tard pack.




Sweeeet. Now maybe everyone will stop saying, "I have to spend $600 to get a PS3, woe is me". I've always said, even without HDMI that the $500 version is a good deal. This news seals it. Starting to look better and better versus the 360.

tenaciousdave
09-22-06, 04:50 AM
Sweeeet. Now maybe everyone will stop saying, "I have to spend $600 to get a PS3, woe is me". I've always said, even without HDMI that the $500 version is a good deal. This news seals it. Starting to look better and better versus the 360.

$500 is still a bit too rich for my blood. Considering that I don't want a Blu-Ray player, most of Sony's exclusives are going multi console, and there's only a marginal performance difference.

It's definitely a more compelling deal now though.

flashburn
09-22-06, 05:24 AM
Isn't the split between the $500 and $600 units something like 20%/80%? Good luck finding one of the $500 units at launch.

The Bus
09-22-06, 05:50 AM
So now it's $100 more for what? The memory slots and a larger hard drive?

Michael Corvin
09-22-06, 06:33 AM
So now it's $100 more for what? The memory slots and a larger hard drive?

Isn't Sony doing the wired controller thing just like the 360? What was the last news on that? Wired on the tard pack, wireless on the real PS3.

flashburn
09-22-06, 06:56 AM
I believe another difference between the two is the $600 one has a wireless adapter.

PixyJunket
09-22-06, 08:05 AM
That's cool, good news finally from Sony.

But.. it's still too expensive for me, but it makes it more likely for me to stay with the Playstation brand, at least once some games that interest me hit it, which will be about a dozen times more likely than with the 360. Though, I still may be duped into the 360 with the trio of RPGs they showed at Tokyo Game Show.

But first I need an HDTV. Sigh.

Daryl
09-22-06, 09:04 AM
But first I need an HDTV. Sigh.

Launch Day PS3 + selling it on eBay = HDTV

PixyJunket
09-22-06, 09:09 AM
Launch Day PS3 + selling it on eBay = HDTV:lol:

Well, it'll HELP.. but I'm looking at least 42" to make the upgrade from 32" SD seem worthwhile (size wise).

collven
09-22-06, 09:21 PM
Isn't Sony doing the wired controller thing just like the 360? What was the last news on that? Wired on the tard pack, wireless on the real PS3.


No. All versions come with a wireless controller. I really don't think there's any reason to call the $500 version a "tard pack" anymore.

Supermallet
09-22-06, 09:50 PM
Actually, I'd call the $500 one the "better value" pack now. ;)

Michael Corvin
09-23-06, 12:34 AM
No. All versions come with a wireless controller. I really don't think there's any reason to call the $500 version a "tard pack" anymore.

So at this point it is pretty pointless to even have two sku's. :wtf:

Fandango
09-23-06, 04:40 AM
Not really considering MS charges $99 for their wireless adapter and the $600 version will have a larger HD and flash media reader as well.

Noonan
09-23-06, 07:57 AM
Actually, I'd call the $500 one the "better value" pack now. ;)

Agreed. I won't need wireless since my router is in my living room already. 20gigs is plenty of storage and who the hell needs a memory card reader in a video game system...

Cusm
09-23-06, 05:40 PM
Agreed. I won't need wireless since my router is in my living room already. 20gigs is plenty of storage and who the hell needs a memory card reader in a video game system...


It could be useful for NCAA games to downlaod the named rosters and transfer them over w/o having to buy a memory card and kit for your PC, although for the 360 that would only be about a $45 cost, not worth the upgrade price to me. If you could actually save games on the HD like you do for PC games the extra HD would be useful but as it is do you really need the extra 40gb? I barely have 4gb on my 360 used.

Setzer
09-24-06, 07:38 PM
Launch Day PS3 + selling it on eBay = HDTV

That's the plan! :D

pinata242
09-25-06, 08:53 AM
Have we discussed the trailer for Level 5's White Knight Story (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=13330&type=mov)?

Allow me to start: :drool:

DJ_Longfellow
09-25-06, 09:17 AM
So, what is the difference between the two SKU's NOW? Is it just the HDD?

I have my name on a call-list for a PS3 through GameRush (I have around $500 credit).

I will probably go to EBAY with this to hopefully make some cash and pay off some bills since I have a child on the way.

pinata242
09-25-06, 09:18 AM
40 more gig hdd, built-in wifi, memory card reader, $100.

Still a decent value if you want the wifi and the 40 extra gig may come in real handy if you have to download over 700 cars for Riiiiiiidge Racer.

DJ_Longfellow
09-25-06, 09:26 AM
Thanks for the quick answer....we'll see what, if any, GameRush gets in. I'll take either.

DRG
09-25-06, 09:57 AM
In theory it doesn't sound all bad. If my options were pay $60 and get 20 cars I don't want or $50 and buy the cars I do want, :shrug: maybe makes sense. Maybe.

Yeah, but we're talking about standard content. This is like picking up a new Zelda game and finding out it'll cost you ten more bucks to get Link. I can see premium pricing for extras if it's either 1) bonus cheat/unlockable type stuff, or 2) new content developed after the game was released. But this is a scary new precendent. I don't want the game makers to think they can get away with the idea of "bare bones games".

Now, I can see the potential in "game shells". Say someone developed a basketball game engine, you could buy the shell, then choose the NBA content or the college content. But the shell would have to be $30 and each content pack could be $30... you'd have to sell them separately due to the separate licenses. But $90 would essentially get you the equivalent of two games. The same could theoretically apply to wrestling games... a WWE game and a TNA game could be running off the same engine. Of course, this would require the company to have both licenses which would never happen. And in reality, the game makers would never go for it because right now they can essentially sell the engine twice with the current setup.

pinata242
09-25-06, 10:02 AM
Now, I can see the potential in "game shells". Say someone developed a basketball game engine, you could buy the shell, then choose the NBA content or the college content. But the shell would have to be $30 and each content pack could be $30... you'd have to sell them separately due to the separate licenses. But $90 would essentially get you the equivalent of two games.
This is a great idea. It would even allow for Madden & NCAA to be on the same playing field instead of NCAA lagging a year behind. Really that's all that is different, right, teams and stadiums and announcers?

Cusm
09-25-06, 10:09 AM
This is a great idea. It would even allow for Madden & NCAA to be on the same playing field instead of NCAA lagging a year behind. Really that's all that is different, right, teams and stadiums and announcers?


No.

pinata242
09-25-06, 10:11 AM
No.
Can you elaborate? Granted I already admitted NCAA lags behind a year in the engine and this solution would seem to offset that.

Michael Corvin
09-25-06, 10:33 AM
Yeah, but we're talking about standard content. This is like picking up a new Zelda game and finding out it'll cost you ten more bucks to get Link. I can see premium pricing for extras if it's either 1) bonus cheat/unlockable type stuff, or 2) new content developed after the game was released. But this is a scary new precendent. I don't want the game makers to think they can get away with the idea of "bare bones games".

Another downside for the racing game shell, would be the fact that 95% of people will be buying the same 10 best/fastest cars, eliminating everything else. There would be no incentive to purchase a lower class car. Just look how that turned out with Test Drive on the 360.

kgrogers1979
09-25-06, 11:45 AM
$1 to download a demo (http://www.worthplaying.com/article.php?sid=37312&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0) ??

Sony's Tokyo Game Show Conference Reveals Few Details
Posted on Thursday, September 21 @ 21:22:57 PDT
Many people were looking forward to Ken Kutaragi's keynote speech to fill in the many blanks, and with only 2 months to go until launch, give details. Unfortunately most of the speech was filled with technical details on GPS, GMS, shopping, banking, networking, and so forth. A few noteworthy things, demos will cost $1, you will be able to download 16bit games (MegaDrive Genesis, and PC Engine TurboGrafx) over the network, and share them with friends. During a short Q&A it was revealed that the 20gig version will now also feature HDMI, and will receive a price reduction (from 535 to $430) in Japan, as a result of consumer complaints about the high price.

:wtf: I ain't paying to download a #&*!ing demo. :mad2:

Cusm
09-25-06, 12:27 PM
Can you elaborate? Granted I already admitted NCAA lags behind a year in the engine and this solution would seem to offset that.

NCAA is always a faster game with a wider field. They appear very similar but they typically play very differently. I have a friend and you slays me in NCAA but I own him in Madden.

Michael Corvin
09-25-06, 12:44 PM
$1 to download a demo (http://www.worthplaying.com/article.php?sid=37312&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0) ??



:wtf: I ain't paying to download a #&*!ing demo. :mad2:

I'm with you, but I'm spoiled on Live. Afterall, when done properly, it is a powerful marketing tool for developers. Why should we pay for their marketing? Look at Capcom. I'm sure Dead Rising was such a hit because of the demo. Would it have been as big if it was $1? I know I probably wouldn't have d/l it or susequently bought it. On the other side of that coin you have the piss poor Full Auto demo that turned people away.

On the other hand I'm sure there is a large amount of people that subscribe to magazines like OXM just to get the demos. :shrug: So you never know. I hope it fails miserably because if Sony makes it work you know MS will start charging as well.

edstein
09-25-06, 12:54 PM
I'm with you, but I'm spoiled on Live. Afterall, when done properly, it is a powerful marketing tool for developers. Why should we pay for their marketing? Look at Capcom. I'm sure Dead Rising was such a hit because of the demo. Would it have been as big if it was $1? I know I probably wouldn't have d/l it or susequently bought it. On the other side of that coin you have the piss poor Full Auto demo that turned people away.

On the other hand I'm sure there is a large amount of people that subscribe to magazines like OXM just to get the demos. :shrug: So you never know. I hope it fails miserably because if Sony makes it work you know MS will start charging as well.

I wouldn't mind paying a 1$ for a demo. At least you can have some fun with it. It's better than paying 2$ for a picture pack. I'm glad the 360 demos, trailers, etc, are free. I have yet to buy any of those picture packs or themes. Same goes for cell phones. They want to charge me $1.50 for a single wallpaper picture. F that.

xmiyux
09-25-06, 01:02 PM
I can just about guarantee i would not pay for a demo and i have bought 1-2$ picture packs before. The demos sometimes are a touch choppy, don't show enough of what i want to see or otherwise don't seem worth paying for. It's a bloody marketing campaign for them, why should i pay?

The Dead Rising demo was great and i played it a good deal and it absolutely stirred up my interest in the game. Renting it and the frequent crashes caused me to not buy it. Fusion Frenzy 2 on the other hand was a lame demo and somewhat turned me off the game. If i had paid even a buck for that demo i would have been irritated.

pinata242
09-25-06, 01:08 PM
Demos shouldn't cost money, plain and simple. Maybe if the the retail disc would sense you've paid for the demo they'd credit you back the points then I'd be ok with it.

ChrisHicks
09-25-06, 01:26 PM
I think Sony is at about a 5 guns to 1 foot ratio at this point.

PixyJunket
09-25-06, 01:45 PM
Paying for demos? I mean, that's just plain dumb. I guess $1 isn't THAT much to try a game compared to renting, etc.. but still, Xbox Live demos are free, DS demos are free (sans finding a DS station), PSP demos are free (well, there's only been one so far) and they've been free since the days of early PC gaming (or better than free in the case of shareware.. you got much more than a demo for free).

hail2dking
09-25-06, 02:20 PM
NCAA is always a faster game with a wider field...

Wider field? The hash marks are located differently, but the fields are the same width.

Liver&Onions
09-25-06, 03:47 PM
joystiq - via IGN has a post about the pricing of PS3 games in Japan.

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/25/japanese-ps3-games-to-cost-up-to-9-800-85-usd

For comparison though... PGR3 is 6069 yen right now on Amazon.co.jp

Fandango
09-25-06, 03:57 PM
I don't see what the big deal is, DQ8 and FFXII cost about that much when it came out in Japan.

Liver&Onions
09-25-06, 03:59 PM
but those were only a couple games. Just reporting the news...

The Bus
09-25-06, 04:33 PM
$1 a demo is actually so low that it is insulting. It creates much more trouble than it's worth. Make it $5 and throw in more stuff, or make it free.

Supermallet
09-25-06, 09:53 PM
I told you a free live service would mean more charges down the line.

Draven
09-26-06, 01:25 PM
:lol: Paying for a demo is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The point of the demo is to entice you to buy the full game. You shouldn't have to pay for something like that.

It's like if you had to pay for commercials before you watch them. Most people would just not watch the commercials, so the product isn't seen, so the ad was wasted. Or charging people to watch a trailer for a movie.

Demos are basically long commercials/trailers for a game. There is no way Sony will EVER get a dime out of me for the privilege of trying out a few levels of their $60+ game.

DRG
09-26-06, 01:59 PM
The only way I could see paying for a demo is if it came with an exclusive bonus item you could use when you purchased the full game, like an exclusive character outfit or car or something.

Liver&Onions
09-26-06, 02:06 PM
OK, looks like pricing has been solidfied for NA. The current next gen price of 59.99 is what Sony went with.
http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_BrowseCatalog-Start?CategoryName=games_ps3&Dept=moviesmusic&INT=sstyle-ps3games-footer-preorder_ps3_games#

Binger
09-26-06, 04:21 PM
This may have been answered, but are we going to be able to use a standard HDMI cable on the PS3, or is Sony going to rip us off by making a proprietary connection and cable?

edstein
09-26-06, 04:31 PM
Standard.

http://media.teamxbox.com/dailyposts/sony/20gbhdd_ps3_hdmi.jpg

hail2dking
09-26-06, 04:35 PM
But you want the Sony brand HDMI cable....

tenaciousdave
09-26-06, 05:06 PM
But you want the Sony brand HDMI cable....

Why? I can buy a cable of equal or better quality for $5. I'm already getting raped enough on the console as is.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10231&cs_id=1023104&p_id=2404&seq=1&format=2&style=

Fandango
09-26-06, 05:15 PM
I think he was just being facetious.

hail2dking
09-26-06, 06:31 PM
Why? I can buy a cable of equal or better quality for $5. I'm already getting raped enough on the console as is.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10231&cs_id=1023104&p_id=2404&seq=1&format=2&style=

It was more in reference to all the people that bought the Microsoft Xbox Link Cable for $20+ when a generic $3 cross link cable did the same thing

Save Ferris
09-26-06, 06:55 PM
It was more in reference to all the people that bought the Microsoft Xbox Link Cable for $20+ when a generic $3 cross link cable did the same thing

Hah shows what you know--those cables came with a 3 micron gold plating!!






;)

Decker
09-26-06, 09:50 PM
Okay, does anyone know this : Will I need the $600 model if I want to have wireless interconnectivity with my PSP? I'm still not sure what it will be, but if it's stuff like steaming video feeds, that might be worth the $100 more.

Fandango
09-26-06, 09:55 PM
I can't say for sure but logically it is looking that way.

collven
09-27-06, 04:17 AM
Or buy a separate wireless access point. That should work and it would be less than $100.

pinata242
09-27-06, 08:25 AM
Okay, does anyone know this : Will I need the $600 model if I want to have wireless interconnectivity with my PSP? I'm still not sure what it will be, but if it's stuff like steaming video feeds, that might be worth the $100 more.
That's a very good question, especially when you're talking about the PSP-PS3 gaming opportunities like the not-gimmicky rear-view mirror they showed off at E3.

I had always assumed the reason the Wii was coming with WiFi standard was to enable DS-Wii communication painlessly and not because they were abhorrent to Ethernet, per se. Of course, it could also have something to do with their relationship with Buffalo.

But, if I'm right and the WiFi standard is to communicate with the DS, then I don't know how the PS3 is planning on bridging that gap with the $500 model with regard to PSP interactivity.

Michael Corvin
09-27-06, 08:45 AM
But, if I'm right and the WiFi standard is to communicate with the DS, then I don't know how the PS3 is planning on bridging that gap with the $500 model with regard to PSP interactivity.

Gamboy->gamecube link like cable. ;)

Cusm
09-27-06, 09:06 AM
Standard.

http://media.teamxbox.com/dailyposts/sony/20gbhdd_ps3_hdmi.jpg


Stupid Sony, putting the main power button on the back again.

PixyJunket
09-27-06, 09:38 AM
Stupid Sony, putting the main power button on the back again.I don't see where the problem with that is.. it's just like a PC.

Josh H
09-27-06, 09:54 AM
Some people like to turn it off everytime rather than putting it in standby, thus the switch in the back is annoy (I assume such people are annoyed with the placement of PC powerswitches as well).

I don't see the big deal either, my PS2 has been in standby for 4 years when not in use. :D

DRG
09-27-06, 10:49 AM
But you want the Sony brand HDMI cable....

I'm surprised they're not coming up with a trademarked name for the thing, like Sony HiLink or something, so people who don't know better will buy their version even though it's the same thing. It's sort of like how they call their Firewire connections on their camcroders 'iLink'. It's the same standard Firewire, but some unknowing consumers probably seek out the specific iLink name.

Draven
09-27-06, 10:53 AM
I'm surprised they're not coming up with a trademarked name for the thing, like Sony HiLink or something, so people who don't know better will buy their version even though it's the same thing. It's sort of like how they call their Firewire connections on their camcroders 'iLink'. It's the same standard Firewire, but some unknowing consumers probably seek out the specific iLink name.

I would be shocked if they didn't end up doing something like that.

fumanstan
09-27-06, 11:01 AM
Some people like to turn it off everytime rather than putting it in standby, thus the switch in the back is annoy (I assume such people are annoyed with the placement of PC powerswitches as well).

I don't see the big deal either, my PS2 has been in standby for 4 years when not in use. :D

I can't see how anyone would want to manually turn off the power on a PC like that :p

Michael Corvin
09-27-06, 11:08 AM
I'm surprised they're not coming up with a trademarked name for the thing, like Sony HiLink or something, so people who don't know better will buy their version even though it's the same thing. It's sort of like how they call their Firewire connections on their camcroders 'iLink'. It's the same standard Firewire, but some unknowing consumers probably seek out the specific iLink name.

Wow. I can totally see them doing this.

Josh H
09-27-06, 11:17 AM
I can't see how anyone would want to manually turn off the power on a PC like that :p

Me either, nor why they'd want to turn of the PS2, but I've heard of people doing both for 2 reasons.

1. Save power (lame as standby uses hardly any).
2. To reduce the risk of surge damage by not having it draw power all the time (also seems silly to me).

Cusm
09-27-06, 12:35 PM
Me either, nor why they'd want to turn of the PS2, but I've heard of people doing both for 2 reasons.

1. Save power (lame as standby uses hardly any).
2. To reduce the risk of surge damage by not having it draw power all the time (also seems silly to me).


Everyone one I know turns off their PS2 from the back switch. I never wanted to leave it stand by, especially since I could go weeks without playing it. Why can they not have one power button like every other system out there?

Josh H
09-27-06, 12:42 PM
I just don't see what it hurts. I haven't touched my PS2 in probably 6 months, and it's been on standby the whole time.

But not having the button does suck for those that do want to turn it off.

I just kind of look at it like a TV. The TV is pretty much in standby all the time, else it couldn't pick up the remote signal to turn on. You have to unplug it to turn it off completely.

bboisvert
09-27-06, 03:33 PM
I haven't touched my PS2 in probably 6 months, and it's been on standby the whole time.

That's just cruel. He's been waiting patiently for 6 months. Go play a game already...

-ohbfrank-

;)

tenaciousdave
09-27-06, 06:32 PM
It was more in reference to all the people that bought the Microsoft Xbox Link Cable for $20+ when a generic $3 cross link cable did the same thing

I really couldn't tell on that one. Maybe my sarcasm detector was borked.

GreenMonkey
09-27-06, 06:50 PM
I'm sick of everything in the house being on standby. I hate the PS2 power button leaving it on standby. I miss the power switch on the old boxy PS2 - the slimline has to be unplugged, which I don't normally bother to do.

See this article by PC magazine about the costs of all those gadgets on standby....

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1645410,00.asp


And so my survey began: A small three-piece speaker system, with the speakers turned off, 6 watts. A larger three-piece system, also turned off, 12W. The router, 6W; the cable modem, 7.5W. An IBM "dogbone" laptop charger with no computer plugged in was using 2.5W; with a fully charged computer, 3W; with a running computer, 16W. My iPod charger consumed a commendable 0.6W when nothing was connected to it; it used 2W to 3W when charging the player.

The HP OfficeJet multifunction printer was using 7W. A 19-inch Dell Trinitron monitor was also eating up 7W in standby, and when I turned it off with the power switch, it dropped one whole watt. It drew ten times as much power (70W) when it was on, but you still have to wonder—what's the point of the switch? Likewise, the HP Pavilion desktop drew 6W when it was "off" and nary a light was glowing. Compared with the 70W startup power and 60W running power, that's not bad. But if these devices are not remote powered, why aren't they truly off when they're off?

All told, I had about 80 watts' worth of computer stuff running day and night, whether I had turned it off or not. Depending on how many laptops and other devices were plugged in at a given time, the number could range up to 100W.


You might think that 80 or 100 watts is no big deal in the grand scheme of things. But it is precisely in the grand scheme of things where those 100W bulbs add up. That's 876 kilowatt-hours per year, or just over 9 percent of my total electric bill—and I'm just counting computer gear, not home electronics. At local rates, I'm paying about $100 per year for the convenience. Maybe it's worth it, or maybe I'd like to halve it and take my wife out to dinner with the savings instead.




And this news story from the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/click_online/4929594.stm



Figures from the Energy Saving Trust on standby power use in the UK home are astonishing:


Stereos on standby cost £290m and produce 1.6 million tonnes of CO2
VCRs and DVD cost £263m and produce 1.06 million tonnes of CO2
TVs on standby cost £88m and produce 480,000 tonnes of CO2
It means that in one year, in the UK alone, our equipment on standby produces a total of 3.1 million tonnes of CO2.

But there is a bigger culprit out there: the personal computer, as Scott Richards from power supply manufacturer Antec explains.

If you really want to be green with your PC, when you're done using it turn it off

Scott Richards, power supply manufacturer
"The PC is a special case because if you don't turn it off completely, in other words pull the switch on the back, it's always drawing some kind of power.

"And depending on what kind of mode you're in that power can be anywhere between five watts to 60 and beyond.

"If a million PC users switched to a more efficient power supply, it would save almost the equivalent of 250 thousand litres of gasoline a day."

Liver&Onions
09-28-06, 09:52 AM
Guess who's getting a great launch title? Yup. PS3.

September 28, 2006 (Rockville, MD) – Bethesda Softworks® announced today that its blockbuster role-playing game, The Elder Scrolls® IV: Oblivion™ will be a launch title for the PLAYSTATION®3 computer entertainment system this November in North America, and next March in Europe when the new console is expected to be released there. In addition, The Elder Scrolls® Travels: Oblivion™ will be released on the PSP® (PlayStation®Portable) system in the Spring 2007 in North America and Europe.

Both the PLAYSTATION 3 and PSP system titles will be published exclusively in North America by Bethesda Softworks, while in Europe, Ubisoft will serve as co-publisher. Complete details on both games are available in Official U.S. PlayStation Magazine’s (OPM) exclusive cover story (November issue), which hits newsstands Oct. 10. In its article OPM previews the gameplay, graphics, and new content in Oblivion and concludes: “If any game is worth the price of the PS3, Oblivion is it."

Save Ferris
09-28-06, 10:01 AM
Unfortunately a lot of gamers will still think of Oblivion as 'last years game' especially if they drop the price for the 360 version.

Isnt KOTOR3 coming soon? That would be a killer game to launch the PS3

pinata242
09-28-06, 10:05 AM
Why would KOTOR3 end up on the PS3? I thought Bioware was firmly in the Microsoft camp.

xmiyux
09-28-06, 10:24 AM
It would be interesting if it included the horse armor and other premium downloads. I do find it odd though that they refer to an older multiplatform game as being something "worth the price of the PS3."

kgrogers1979
09-28-06, 10:46 AM
KOTOR3 has not been announced. It is only a rumor that it is being developed. See here: KOTOR3 rumor (http://xbox360.ign.com/objects/793/793795.html). Since nothing has even been announced, I wouldn't expect to see it until late next year at the earliest (if it actually is in development).

Michael Corvin
09-28-06, 11:36 AM
Unfortunately a lot of gamers will still think of Oblivion as 'last years game' especially if they drop the price for the 360 version.



Oblivion WAS mentioned in the blurb about the new Platinum series pricing(SRP $29.99). I believe it will be in the second batch starting in Jan., from what I read(on this forum, I think). So for a launch title, 500,000 people are safe to buy. By the time the PS3 hits the masses though, it will be half the cost of the PS3 version.

edstein
09-28-06, 03:10 PM
Oblivion WAS mentioned in the blurb about the new Platinum series pricing(SRP $29.99). I believe it will be in the second batch starting in Jan., from what I read(on this forum, I think). So for a launch title, 500,000 people are safe to buy. By the time the PS3 hits the masses though, it will be half the cost of the PS3 version.

But how many of the 500,000 already own Oblivion on the 360 or the PC?

ILikeDVD
09-29-06, 04:57 PM
I was wondering if we can start a sticky thread. Dates for Reservations taken for PS3 at....? thread . Or is the info going to be in this thread? Just wondering. Lil over 1 month to go and counting.

Liver&Onions
09-29-06, 05:31 PM
I was wondering if we can start a sticky thread. Dates for Reservations taken for PS3 at....? thread . Or is the info going to be in this thread? Just wondering. Lil over 1 month to go and counting.

Nope, no sticky for that. Keep it in this thread.

edstein
10-01-06, 06:46 PM
PS3 Kiosk. Looks like a Fry's.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2006/10/sony_kiosk.jpg

Anubis2005X
10-01-06, 07:21 PM
PS3 Kiosk. Looks like a Fry's.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2006/10/sony_kiosk.jpg

Wow, I'm not a Playstation fan, but very nice display!

Decker
10-01-06, 10:20 PM
I'd settle for less grand displays and more products to sell.

tenaciousdave
10-02-06, 12:40 AM
That's in Japan and it's not even playable.

Binger
10-02-06, 07:19 AM
Has Sony started manufacturing yet? There ain't much time left.

Josh H
10-02-06, 11:16 AM
Has Sony started manufacturing yet? There ain't much time left.

They have, but they are having problems getting working blu ray lasers built fast enough (high defect rate in manufacturing).

Save Ferris
10-02-06, 11:52 AM
non playable display kiosks is a bad sign. If I were buying one this season Id be sure to get the extended warranty.

Cusm
10-02-06, 12:34 PM
They have, but they are having problems getting working blu ray lasers built fast enough (high defect rate in manufacturing).


This is not a good sign for first production boxes.

aliciaelena
10-03-06, 08:16 AM
Liksang.com is offering PS3 for pre-order: http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=339&products_id=6997&

Despite the recent negative comments on this forum, I still believe we will be amazed at what this system can do. Read this article: http://www.psm3mag.com/page/psm3?entry=ps3_power_up_pics_and

Decker
10-03-06, 09:41 AM
Thanks for the article. That does sound sweet.

The Bus
10-03-06, 12:53 PM
Liksang.com is offering PS3 for pre-order: http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=339&products_id=6997&

Despite the recent negative comments on this forum, I still believe we will be amazed at what this system can do. Read this article: http://www.psm3mag.com/page/psm3?entry=ps3_power_up_pics_and

"The start up is amazingly fast. And game load times were faster than expected. In fact, PS3 does both at about the same speed of PSP. ie, Long load times due to the massive Blu-ray disc? Nope."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I know the PSP was often ridiculed for its load times. This seems like a counterintuitive comparison.

kgrogers1979
10-03-06, 01:18 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I know the PSP was often ridiculed for its load times. This seems like a counterintuitive comparison.


I remember this video (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1166948086140164262) where someone timed the loading time for Smackdown vs Raw. It took 6.5 minutes to load up one match. "Oh it was loading the LOADING SCREEN." rotfl

edstein
10-03-06, 01:54 PM
The glossy black finger print magnet feature has been carried over I see. One of the worst features of the PSP. Constantly wiping that thing off.

Does anyone know if the PS3 will have the game save feature like the PSP? When the power is turned off on the PSP the game goes into sleep mode and returns paused when the system is powered on again.

Match
10-03-06, 06:58 PM
(I am not trolling or flaming the PS3.) I saw this on teamxbox.
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/11928/Sony-Shares-Plunge-on-PlayStation-3-Overheating-Issues/

Is this bad?

fumanstan
10-03-06, 07:08 PM
Behold, the Sixaxis!

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6159208.html

Michael Corvin
10-03-06, 08:10 PM
:hscratch: Hasn't it been dubbed the sixaxis for a while now? How is that news? Slow day at Sony? Ken tied up in meetings?

Supermallet
10-03-06, 08:18 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I know the PSP was often ridiculed for its load times. This seems like a counterintuitive comparison.

Um, yes. The PSP has absolutely been slammed for overly long load times. This is what happens when you use a 2x reader on a disc with 25-50 GB.

collven
10-04-06, 02:44 AM
"The start up is amazingly fast. And game load times were faster than expected. In fact, PS3 does both at about the same speed of PSP. ie, Long load times due to the massive Blu-ray disc? Nope."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I know the PSP was often ridiculed for its load times. This seems like a counterintuitive comparison.


Remember, this website is from the UK, so they use the King's English :sarcasm:

Seriously, I read that sentence several times trying to figure it out, and I think they were trying to say the PS3 boots up and loads the game in the time it takes the PSP just to boot up. Who knows though. They were probably hyped up on major amounts of caffeine when they wrote it.


(I am not trolling or flaming the PS3.) I saw this on teamxbox.
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/11928/Sony-Shares-Plunge-on-PlayStation-3-Overheating-Issues/

Is this bad?


If you read the article, it explains why they were overheating. The units were placed in plexiglass cases with no ventilation in a very crowded and hot convention center. Of course they are going to overheat in that environment.

edstein
10-04-06, 08:14 AM
(I am not trolling or flaming the PS3.) I saw this on teamxbox.
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/11928/Sony-Shares-Plunge-on-PlayStation-3-Overheating-Issues/

Is this bad?

I wouldn't worry about it. The 360 had similar overheating problems. There's a couple of external cooling products available for those people who did not buy the extended warranty. I'm guessing that the PS3 will have these as well.

nickdawgy
10-05-06, 01:50 AM
When are they taking pre-orders at Gamestop/EB? No way I'd stand in line, but I'd pre-order to re-sell and buy a Wii and a PS3 later down the line :lol:

ChrisHicks
10-05-06, 09:24 AM
I was just watching an ep. of X-Play and Morgan mentioned that if you wanted to unlock every single item in Gran Turismo HD it could cost from 400.00 to 1000.00. this can't be true can it? I mean buying a game at 60.00 then paying another 400.00 to 1000.00 in order to get a full version? that is insane if true.

Save Ferris
10-05-06, 09:31 AM
I cant see them ever doing something that stupid. The games will never cost more than $100, even with all the extras.

edstein
10-05-06, 09:44 AM
I think that would be possible if they charge $2 per car and $5 to $10 for tracks. I doubt anyone would ever download every car available though. So its probably not realistic.

kakihara1
10-05-06, 11:00 AM
I think that would be possible if they charge $2 per car and $5 to $10 for tracks. I doubt anyone would ever download every car available though. So its probably not realistic.

Yeah what will happen is just like someone mentioned before. Everyone will have the one or two most desireable/fastest cars in the game and a track or two and that's it. Sony's next move will be to make it so that you have to purchase car "A" and perform a few tasks in order to unlock the opportunity to buy car "B" so that you can eventually purchase what you wanted to begin with which is "Car C" aka Ferrari F40GT. Then there will be thousands of F40GTs that no one can control running around the virtual tracks for this game just like in PGR3. Super lame. :(

collven
10-06-06, 02:01 AM
They're not going to charge full price for GT:HD I don't think. Plus the cars and tracks are a lot cheaper than $2 and $5, if I remember right.

pizzamousechips
10-06-06, 03:19 AM
They're not going to charge full price for GT:HD I don't think. Plus the cars and tracks are a lot cheaper than $2 and $5, if I remember right.
You're right, I think you can buy it for a measly few dollars. Less than $5 if I remember correctly. I think that's a problem since EVERYONE would buy it at that price. And then whoever buys it will of course want to buy one car and track. And then, if it's really good, it will create a lot of addicts. And then BAM! Their innovative new business strategy just worked, and the future of gaming is down the crapper.

Michael Corvin
10-06-06, 06:46 AM
You're right, I think you can buy it for a measly few dollars. Less than $5 if I remember correctly. I think that's a problem since EVERYONE would buy it at that price. And then whoever buys it will of course want to buy one car and track. And then, if it's really good, it will create a lot of addicts. And then BAM! Their innovative new business strategy just worked, and the future of gaming is down the crapper.

I doubt it will be that cheap. I'm thinking $30-$40. There's no way they will let that out the door so low. People would buy a dozen of the best cars and a handful of tracks and Sony only makes $15-$20 on the game instead of the $30-$60 norm.

Flay
10-06-06, 11:28 AM
What was he thinking? (http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/06/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-xv-europeans-dont-mind-waiting-for/)

CE-Oh no he didn't! Part XV - Europeans "don't mind" waiting for Sony products

Alright Sony, this is just getting ridiculous. It's not like you guys haven't been a featured guest in this series before, but we had no idea it was such an honor. The third "CE-Oh no" moment for Sony this week came out of the mouth of SCE World Europe VP, Jamie MacDonald, who was asked: "What would you say to consumers who like Sony and want to buy your products, but perhaps feel that because they're in Europe they're always last in line?"

Apparently Jamie feels little love for his whiny constituency, since his clueless response was thus: "European consumers have shown that historically they don't mind that, because they end up buying as many PlayStations, if not more, than the US and Japan. In Europe, it doesn't seem that the release of our platforms after the US and Japan - in the long run - affects how consumers feel." We're not even sure how to respond to that, so we'll continue with more "CE-Oh no" sound bite gold from our pal Jamie. In response to a query about Sony's UMD failure, he stated: "I think you'll find in general the market for movies on discs of any type is not particularly great at the moment."

Again, we really have nothing to add, so we'll just hit up one more sound bite for good time's sake. When asked about the Wii60 concept, where prospective next-gen buyers compare the price of purchasing an Xbox 360 and a Nintendo Wii to the cost of the PS3 alone, Jamie further demonstrated his ignorance: "To be honest, I haven't heard that." Not a banner day for Sony PR by a long shot, but at least they're not trying to hide their seeming disdain for consumers and plain logic.

Joystiq Link (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/06/sony-says-european-gamers-dont-mind-delays-and-later-releases/)

Sony says European gamers "don't mind" delays and later releases

Some one needs to get Sony a PR firm. Not that their statements are always wrong (though some are), but just because you can say something, doesn't mean you should. Case in point: Sony executive VP Jamie MacDonald had this to say when asked by GamesIndustry.biz regarding later releases (or delays) in Europe:

"European consumers have shown that historically they don't mind [the delays], because they end up buying as many PlayStations, if not more, than the US and Japan. In Europe, it doesn't seem that the release of our platforms after the US and Japan-in the long run-affects how consumers feel ... If we were sitting here in five years' time, I don't think we'd really think about or notice that PlayStation 3 was four or five months later in Europe."

The man has a point. I don't think anyone remembers the PS2 being released in the US almost eight months after Japan in 2000, and Europe getting the console one month after the US. But when you specifically delay a product in a region by your mismanagement (read: PS3), don't suggest your consumers are indifferent to the blunder.

edstein
10-06-06, 12:47 PM
"I think you'll find in general the market for movies on discs of any type is not particularly great at the moment."

This guy has obviously not seen the DVD section at the local Best Buy. Idiot.

PixyJunket
10-06-06, 01:00 PM
CE-Oh no he didn't!:lol:

Absolute Zero
10-06-06, 01:03 PM
"I think you'll find in general the market for movies on discs of any type is not particularly great at the moment."

He must be referring to movies on discs that SONY develops like UMD and BluRay.

Fandango
10-06-06, 03:07 PM
http://www.psm3mag.com/page/psm3?entry=ps3_does_it_get_hot

Save Ferris
10-06-06, 03:26 PM
http://www.psm3mag.com/page/psm3?entry=ps3_does_it_get_hot

Isnt that the same blog that said the PS3 loaded "Fast like a PSP"?

Lazy Bum
10-06-06, 09:10 PM
So I went to my local Gamestop today and asked the typical "Are you taking pre-orders on the PS3" question. Store manager told me they might start taking them next week, but they will be limited to like 10 or so (this is a small Gamestop). He said that he would guarantee me a pre-order for a system at launch if I showed I was "truly interested" by pre-ordering 3 PS3 games.

At this point I felt like I was talking to a used car salesman. I gave in though and pre-ordered Resistance, Call of Duty 3, and Rainbow 6 Las Vegas. I don't usually bother pre-ordering games, but if it saves me the trouble of finding a system before the holidays so be it. Hopefully they let me change my game pre-orders since I didn't really have time to decide what to pre-order and chose the names I was familiar with.

Supermallet
10-06-06, 09:44 PM
Lazy, I would prepare myself for disappointment if I were you. I'm sure there are 200 other people all reserving 3 games.

Lazy Bum
10-06-06, 11:39 PM
Lazy, I would prepare myself for disappointment if I were you. I'm sure there are 200 other people all reserving 3 games.

Well he said there were 4 others so far with guarantees. If he was bullshitting it will piss me off to no end.

Supermallet
10-06-06, 11:49 PM
I'd be surprised if he even got 4 of them.

kgrogers1979
10-07-06, 03:26 AM
I'd be surprised if he even got 4 of them.


It's possible. Sony says there will be 400,000 launch PS3s.

400,000 / 50 states = 8000 per state

Of course, that is just an average. More populated states will receive more than 8000 and less populated states will receive less than 8000. Lazy Bum also said his Gamestop is a small store. Bigger stores will receive more PS3s than smaller stores. So, if he is shopping at a small Gamestop in the middle of Nowheresville, then that store probably won't get more than a couple PS3s.

Setzer
10-07-06, 05:12 AM
Thought it was 400k for North America? Which means Canada and Mexico would get some too.

Josh H
10-07-06, 12:35 PM
It is 400K for north america...

Binger
10-07-06, 01:22 PM
Alright, here's a question. Is the PS3 controller rechargeable? And, if so, will Sony be making the batteries?

Shagrath
10-07-06, 01:42 PM
Alright, here's a question. Is the PS3 controller rechargeable? And, if so, will Sony be making the batteries?

Good call! Who wants an exploding Sixaxis?

Supermallet
10-07-06, 07:15 PM
:lol:

Binger
10-07-06, 07:41 PM
Good call! Who wants an exploding Sixaxis?


That's Sony's new version of rumble.

Remember, in Sonyland, exploding controllers are not defective, they're a feature. ;)

Supermallet
10-07-06, 07:59 PM
Controllers don't explode until we say so!

pinata242
10-07-06, 08:02 PM
Total immersion. You wreck your car in GT-HD? Your controller suffers Massive Damage® and is rendered inoperable; time to junk it. This will bring a whole new level or realism to the users and is in no way a gimmick.

Binger
10-07-06, 08:10 PM
Total immersion. You wreck your car in GT-HD? Your controller suffers Massive Damage® and is rendered inoperable;


Not to mention your hands, arms and face.

Sonny Corinthos
10-09-06, 03:13 PM
There is a huge rumor going around today that EB/Gamestop will be taking pre-orders tomorrow only (10/10/06). $100 bucks down is the deposit. I don't have a link for this so take it for what it's worth.

If you live near one of these places and want a PS3, you might want to stop by and check this out.

Liver&Onions
10-09-06, 03:49 PM
Here are some screenshots of Fight Night R3 for PS3 - showcasing the new First Person mode. These are low-res shots...all they'd give me.

<img src="http://www.videogametalk.com/images/reviews/17/1160426831.jpg" width="400" height="217">

<img src="http://www.videogametalk.com/images/reviews/17/1160426764.jpg" width="400" height="217">

Fandango
10-09-06, 04:23 PM
I called up two EB's and they both said they will be taking preorders tomorrow with $100 minimum deposit.

Sonny Corinthos
10-09-06, 05:10 PM
For those of you who may have missed this post on the last page.

There is a huge rumor going around today that EB/Gamestop will be taking pre-orders tomorrow only (10/10/06). $100 bucks down is the deposit. I don't have a link for this so take it for what it's worth.

If you live near one of these places and want a PS3, you might want to stop by and check it out.

Sonny Corinthos
10-09-06, 06:05 PM
"Attn Store Personnell:


Quote:
On Tuesday, OCT. 10th 2006, you will begin taking reservations on the Sony PS3 under sku xxxxxx (Premium) and sku xxxxxx (Core). YOU MAY NOT BEGIN TAKING RESERVATIONS FOR THE PS3 PRIOR TO OCT 10th, 2006! Reservations are to be processed on a "first come-first served" basis for your customers. Under NO circumstances are reservation "places in line" to be held for customers. Our online reservation program will be activated at a future date: online reservations will be available as "bundle only".

No forced bundles or any other customer "requirements" are allowed (our online reservation policy may vary). Reservations will be limited to one system per household (customer is allowed to reserve one PS3 and one Wii, if desired).
As these systems are in short supply and high demand, all stores are being allocated on their reserve quantity. Stores are not allowed to reserve above their assigned reservation allocation for any reason.

Your assigned allocation for the PS3 is x units TOTAL between the 2 system choices. You are only allowed to reserve x units TOTAL of PS3. No more than 2 of these systems can be set aside to be purchased by store employees.
As you process each reservation, you will need to communicate the following message to each customer:

Reservations/Purchases are limited to 1 per household. The reservation guarantees the customer a place in line ONLY: it does not guarantee the system at launch.
Gamestop is NOT responsible for allocation shortfalls or shipping delays caused by the manufacturer.

It's official. If you want to pre-order a PS3, you better hit EB/Gamestop early in the morning.

BBEANLPHIE
10-09-06, 06:11 PM
What does that mean a place in line only? So if I plunk down $100 I get a spot on the line at midnight?

Save Ferris
10-09-06, 06:23 PM
this could get really ugly.

Josh H
10-09-06, 06:52 PM
What does that mean a place in line only? So if I plunk down $100 I get a spot on the line at midnight?

I think it means if you're the 5th person to come in and put $100 down, you get the 5th system.

I think they mean no holding spots for friends etc. (i.e. the employees leaving blank spots in the preorder list for their friends to come in later in the day and reserve).

fumanstan
10-09-06, 06:54 PM
What does that mean a place in line only? So if I plunk down $100 I get a spot on the line at midnight?

That means you're in line for a PS3 as soon as they have one available; not an actual phyiscal line.

Deftones
10-09-06, 07:08 PM
I may just try to hit up a store to see what's up.

Liver&Onions
10-09-06, 07:13 PM
"Attn Store Personnell:


Quote:
On Tuesday, OCT. 10th 2006, you will begin taking reservations on the Sony PS3 under sku xxxxxx (Premium) and sku xxxxxx (Core). YOU MAY NOT BEGIN TAKING RESERVATIONS FOR THE PS3 PRIOR TO OCT 10th, 2006! Reservations are to be processed on a "first come-first served" basis for your customers. Under NO circumstances are reservation "places in line" to be held for customers. Our online reservation program will be activated at a future date: online reservations will be available as "bundle only".

No forced bundles or any other customer "requirements" are allowed (our online reservation policy may vary). Reservations will be limited to one system per household (customer is allowed to reserve one PS3 and one Wii, if desired).
As these systems are in short supply and high demand, all stores are being allocated on their reserve quantity. Stores are not allowed to reserve above their assigned reservation allocation for any reason.

Your assigned allocation for the PS3 is x units TOTAL between the 2 system choices. You are only allowed to reserve x units TOTAL of PS3. No more than 2 of these systems can be set aside to be purchased by store employees.
As you process each reservation, you will need to communicate the following message to each customer:

Reservations/Purchases are limited to 1 per household. The reservation guarantees the customer a place in line ONLY: it does not guarantee the system at launch.
Gamestop is NOT responsible for allocation shortfalls or shipping delays caused by the manufacturer.

It's official. If you want to pre-order a PS3, you better hit EB/Gamestop early in the morning.

Attn gamestop employees, we don't know how to spell Personnel.

kgrogers1979
10-09-06, 08:07 PM
Most Gamestop stores will have 6-8 PS3 consoles (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6159525.html)

"Most stores will receive a preorder allocation of eight units, while a few select stores will receive 16," a GameStop official said. "In either case, employee purchases will be restricted to a total of no more than two systems per store."

If each store sets aside 2 consoles for employee purchases, that would give them 6 available for customers. If you want a launch console, you better be there as soon as the doors open tomorrow to preorder one.

Supermallet
10-09-06, 08:27 PM
Well, since the cat is out of the bag, I can confirm all of this. The stores know how many they're getting, and are only pre-ordering that amount. Not every store will allow employees to reserve. Even so, if you're not there at opening, forget it. 16 units won't hold around much longer than 8 units will.

Josh H
10-09-06, 08:52 PM
Well, since the cat is out of the bag, I can confirm all of this. The stores know how many they're getting, and are only pre-ordering that amount. Not every store will allow employees to reserve. Even so, if you're not there at opening, forget it. 16 units won't hold around much longer than 8 units will.

Don't suppose you've heard anything about Wii preorders?

BBEANLPHIE
10-09-06, 08:57 PM
This is gonna get nasty. I suggest if your going to pick up the PS3 by yourself bring a mouth piece and headgear in case. 8 per store . only 400,000 for the US. Crazy. I cant even imagine the ebay price it will be going for $3000?

Deftones
10-09-06, 09:00 PM
I don't think the people in my area are savy enough to read the internet. I might get lucky on one.

BBEANLPHIE
10-09-06, 09:36 PM
I have a question about the HDMI port. I have a westing house 42 inch

http://www.amazon.com/Westinghouse-LVM-42W2-1080p-LCD-HDTV/dp/B000E7RACK/sr=8-1/qid=1160447687/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-9765066-0781665?ie=UTF8&s=electronics

and it has 1 HDMI input. How would the sound work? If the hdmi carries the sound too and the tv has no Optical sound output how would one get the sound to the receiver? Hopefully some of you have this tv and can tell me how this would work.

Are they even going to include HDMI cables on the store PS3?

Supermallet
10-09-06, 09:58 PM
Don't suppose you've heard anything about Wii preorders?

Nothing more at this time. That's the info I'm waiting for, as well.

Save Ferris
10-09-06, 10:03 PM
This is gonna get nasty. I suggest if your going to pick up the PS3 by yourself bring a mouth piece and headgear in case. 8 per store . only 400,000 for the US. Crazy. I cant even imagine the ebay price it will be going for $3000?

Correction--thats 400,000 for the US, Canada and Mexico.

Deftones
10-09-06, 11:08 PM
My buddy just called our local store. Said word got around super quick around town. Nobody camped out at our store, but the guy working said other stores already had lines forming as of about 5pm or so. Screw that noise.

BBEANLPHIE
10-09-06, 11:38 PM
Correction--thats 400,000 for the US, Canada and Mexico.


Ok. My mistake. If thats the case then you'll need headgear with a face cage and mouthpiece . Might be hard trying to fight off attackers with a PS3 in hand.

aliciaelena
10-10-06, 12:41 AM
Ok. My mistake. If thats the case then you'll need headgear with a face cage and mouthpiece . Might be hard trying to fight off attackers with a PS3 in hand.



Aghrr!...I can't sleep trying to decide if I should even bother to go tomorrow. It sounds like the lines are already forming tonight. The email says they're only going to pre-sell their skimpy allotment which could sell out in minutes. I've got to bring my son who happens to be off school tomorrow and on a wheelchair. I won't be able too move too quickly with him, let alone expose him to some possible ugliness.

pizzamousechips
10-10-06, 12:53 AM
This counts for EB Games too, right? I don't want to wake up early for nothing...

Supermallet
10-10-06, 12:54 AM
I would say instead of waiting in line at a store, put your name on the email list on EB's website, and reserve one from the website.

Lazy Bum
10-10-06, 01:11 AM
The manager guy I posted about earlier said he will hold a pre-order for me tomorrow. Hopes he comes through.

pizzamousechips
10-10-06, 01:18 AM
The manager guy I posted about earlier said he will hold a pre-order for me tomorrow. Hopes he comes through.
Unfortunately if a lot of employees did this, then us regular folk have no chance.

pizzamousechips
10-10-06, 02:51 AM
I might go very soon. My mall opens at 8am, technically, but I know how to get in through the back.

Anyone else going?

Sonny Corinthos
10-10-06, 06:11 AM
As much as I want one, I'm afraid of what bugs the first batch of PS3s might have. I had to get three 360s before I got a good one so I don't to go through that again.

I'm getting a Wii for sure, a PS3 in January or spring 2007. Maybe by then the hype will be died down and I can walk into a store and buy one.