Per dvdbeaver (http://www.dvdbeaver.com/) Box 3 will include
Border Incident
His Kind of Woman
Lady in the Lake
On Dangerous Ground
The Racket
Haven't seen any of them but I'd only seen a few out of the first two boxes anyway. Can't wait.
natevines
03-24-06, 03:48 PM
Bought the first two boxes completely blind and loved 'em. Never heard of any of these, but they look great from the IMDb listings. Can't wait!
Johnny Zhivago
03-24-06, 03:58 PM
:up: Sold.
Geofferson
03-24-06, 04:16 PM
Haven't seen any of these either, but am anxious to do so. :up:
Kerborus
03-24-06, 04:34 PM
OH MY GOD. I'm there.
ernestrp
03-24-06, 06:57 PM
Probably pick this up. WB sure did Noir right. I have all the Fox Noir's up until the latest 3 but some of them really put me to sleep.
gutwrencher
03-24-06, 07:18 PM
Lady in the Lake
:thumbsup:
Can't wait
Me either.:drool:
Gettin' close to owning 100 noir titles.:D
fliggil
03-24-06, 07:20 PM
Loved the first box as a blind buy, haven't picked up volume 2 yet, I'm sure I'll get around to it and now vol. 3 as well, but this one doesn't seem to interest me as much overall. I trust Warner though, I'm sure it'll be worth it.
Ambassador
03-24-06, 08:01 PM
Just a bit of info on the following three, in case anyone finds it helpful. (I've not seen the other two, but these three would make the set worth getting even if the other two were crap.)
Border Incident -- Possibly the best-known of all of Anthony Mann's films noir. This is the film that caught James Stewart's eye and helped convince him to work with Mann on "Winchester '73." If you've seen any of Mann's films noir, you'll have a pretty good sense of what goes on in this one, since most of them followed the same pattern. Here, Ricardo Montalban goes undercover to penetrate an illegal immigrant-smuggling ring. It features John Alton's brilliant cinematography (Alton helped solidify noir's visual style) and particularly nasty murder.
Lady in the Lake -- One of Robert Montgomery's directorial efforts, based on the Raymond Chandler novel. Notable primarily as (arguably) the most successful film to show all the action from the main character's point of view -- literally! Every shot is as if you're looking through the eyes of Philip Marlowe (played/voiced by Montgomery himself). I never think that these gimmicks ever completely work, but Montgomery comes closer than anyone else ever has.
On Dangerous Ground -- A personal favorite of mine. A film noir with two very distinctive halves: the first set in a prototypically seedy urban setting where Robert Ryan is cracking up due to pressure; the second is set in a small mountain community where Ryan is sent to help the local authorities. Ryan is brilliant, as is Ida Lupino, who supposedly directed certain scenes while Nicholas Ray was ill. It also features a stand-out score by Bernard Herrmann. Highly recommended!
Cameron
03-25-06, 01:31 AM
SOLD. Just give me a street date...
indy81
03-25-06, 09:27 AM
This is a terrific set. BORDER INCIDENT is ridiculously good, if you haven't seen it. It's almost worth the price of the set alone.
B5Erik
03-25-06, 09:35 AM
I've never seen any of these movies, but seeing as how Border Incident is an Anthony Mann noir - and I love his noirs, and seeing as how the set also includes Lady in the Lake (which I've been wanting to see) I'm sold on this set.
Even though the 2nd Warners Film Noir box set wasn't as good as the first set (kind of hard to beat the titles in the first set), it was still VERY good, so I trust that they'll do another fantastic job with this set.
This is going to be a very good year for classic films from Warners.
LorenzoL
03-25-06, 10:21 AM
:up: for this boxset. I have been waiting to watch "Lady in the Lake" for a long time.
jamieoni
03-26-06, 04:50 AM
Fantastic. Been waiting to hear about this!
marty888
03-26-06, 08:53 AM
Once again, WB proves it's the best of the major studios, showing respect for ther catalog. Great news!
Cameron
04-08-06, 02:19 AM
06.18.06 for this set....
along with that tough guys news came...
The Film Noir Classics Collection: Volume 3 All new to DVD and all digitally remastered: "Border Incident," "His Kind of Woman," "Lady in the Lake," "On Dangerous Ground" and "The Racket." Available exclusively with the set will be a bonus documentary, "Film Noir: Bringing Darkness to Light"-- a vital companion piece that contains an elucidating overview, complete with clips and expert commentary - and "Vintage Shorts": "Women in Hiding," "You, the People," "Forbidden Passage" and "A Gun in his Hand." The six-disc collection will be sold as a set only for $49.92. (Warner).
Border Incident (1949) Dir.: Anthony Mann; Ricardo Montalban, George Murphy, Howard Da Silva, James Mitchell. Extras: Commentary by film historian Dana Polan, trailer.
His Kind of Woman (1951) Robert Mitchum, Jane Russell, Vincent Price, Tim Holt, Charles McGraw, Marjorie Reynolds, Raymond Burr, Jim Back. Extras: Commentary by film historian Vivian Sobchack.
Lady in the Lake (1947) Dir.: Robert Montgomery; Robert Montgomery, Audrey Totter, Lloyd Nolan, Tom Tully, Leon Ames, Jayne Meadows. Extras: Commentary by film historians Alain Silver and James Ursini , trailer.
On Dangerous Ground (1952) Dir.: Nicholas Ray; Ida Lupino, Robert Ryan, Ward Bond, Charles Kemper, Ed Begley. Extras: Commentary by film historian Glenn Erickson, trailer.
The Racket (1951) Robert Mitchum, Lizabeth Scott, Robert Ryan, William Talman. Ray Collins Extras: Commentary by film historian Eddie Mueller, trailer.
illennium
04-08-06, 03:07 AM
Hmm, this might be the first of the Warner noir sets I pass up... There just don't seem to be any standout titles in this one.
Ambassador
04-08-06, 04:02 PM
Hmm, this might be the first of the Warner noir sets I pass up... There just don't seem to be any standout titles in this one.
Are you kidding? Both Border Incident and On Dangerous Ground are "standout titles" by two directors who are central to 1940s Hollywood noir (Anthony Mann and Nicholas Ray). In my opinion at any rate, they make volume 3 clearly superior to volume 2, which had only one "standout title" (The Narrow Margin).
Paul Drake
04-08-06, 10:03 PM
The cast lists in these films are excellent. Although someone might want to tell Warners' publicity writer that one of stars of HIS KIND OF WOMAN is really Jim Backus (of Magoo and Howell fame) not Jim Back :)
Perry Mason fans will rejoice at seeing Raymond Burr, William Talman, and Ray Collins in various titles in this set.
With a very low street price of around $35 it will be impossible not to pick this up.
illennium
04-09-06, 12:02 AM
Are you kidding? Both Border Incident and On Dangerous Ground are "standout titles" by two directors who are central to 1940s Hollywood noir (Anthony Mann and Nicholas Ray). In my opinion at any rate, they make volume 3 clearly superior to volume 2, which had only one "standout title" (The Narrow Margin).
Hm, I may have spoken too soon. I will wait to read what my trusted stable of (film) critics have to say about these when they are released.
I agree that Volume 2 was not essential except for the inclusion of The Narrow Margin. That fact slipped my mind when I posted and I agree now that it may well be that this third set will eclipse the second. I am not actually a fan of Nicholas Ray but I do seek out his films because of their importance to the Nouvelle Vague directors, Godard being my favorite director by a wide margin. I force myself to watch Ray films and try to see what Godard saw, although without his vision and brilliance I always fall short.
souvenir
04-09-06, 12:21 AM
I am not actually a fan of Nicholas Ray but I do seek out his films because of their importance to the Nouvelle Vague directors, Godard being my favorite director by a wide margin. I force myself to watch Ray films and try to see what Godard saw, although without his vision and brilliance I always fall short.
It's interesting you're not a fan of Ray. I'm curious if there are specific reasons or maybe you're just not impressed by what you've seen? I ask because he's one of my favorite directors and most of his work isn't available on dvd in R1.
MEJHarrison
04-10-06, 03:42 PM
As with the Tough Guys set, I think you have the date wrong. 6/18 is a Sunday. The date I saw was July 4.
cfloyd3
04-10-06, 04:03 PM
I am a bit of a minority on this but I have seen both On Dangerous Ground and Border Incident and I personally found them pretty marginal. I am a Ray fan, particularly In a Lonely Place. They Live By Night for some reason still is not out there but apparently a commentary has been recorded so that is some exciting news in itself. It is not that far behind In a Lonely Place. The Lusty Men and Johnny Guitar also are tremendous and I would put them right near In a Lonely Place. I suppose Rebel Without a Cause doesn't need my input but my admiration is not near for it the same as In a Lonely Place and The Lusty Men.
souvenir
04-10-06, 08:43 PM
I am a bit of a minority on this but I have seen both On Dangerous Ground and Border Incident and I personally found them pretty marginal. I am a Ray fan, particularly In a Lonely Place. They Live By Night for some reason still is not out there but apparently a commentary has been recorded so that is some exciting news in itself. It is not that far behind In a Lonely Place. The Lusty Men and Johnny Guitar also are tremendous and I would put them right near In a Lonely Place. I suppose Rebel Without a Cause doesn't need my input but my admiration is not near for it the same as In a Lonely Place and The Lusty Men.
Have you seen The Savage Innocents? There's a newly released R2 from Masters of Cinema that is uncut and looks great. It was my first time seeing it and I was impressed.
will travel
04-14-06, 03:42 AM
Will "Lady in the Lake" DVD have the Lux Radio Theatre Broadcast from
2-9-1948 with Robert Montgomery as a bonus feature?
WB messed up and didn't include the Lux Radio Theatre episode of
"Murder My Sweet" from 6-11-1945 with Dick Powell and Claire Trevor
on that DVD.
WB has been putting radio shows on many DVDs. Seems a little strange
that they would not have them for the Philip Marlowe movies, especially when those episodes are very available.
I alread have those two shows on CD but I just think they should be included
on the DVD, so people can have a chance to listen to some Old-Time
Radio shows.
As a side note.
Van Helfin played Marlowe on a NBC radio series in the summer of 1947.
The show was revive on CBS with Gerald Mohr as Marlowe. 1948-1951.
The later series was far better.
shearerchic
04-17-06, 12:08 AM
well on the same website i got the tough guys info on, i saw the release date as july 18, but on digital bits they said it will most likely be released on july 4. i loved the previous 2 noir sets, with volume 1 being the best. from what i've read there doesn't seem to be a lot of enthusiasm for his kind of woman, but i love that film, along with border incident.
Why are there six pictures on the spine when only five films are included? Or is there a bonus disc this time?
seymouru
04-30-06, 10:40 AM
Why are there six pictures on the spine when only five films are included? Or is there a bonus disc this time?From DVD Empire's (http://www.dvdempire.com/Exec/v4_item.asp?partner_id=49648684&item_id=1097504) description:Five more film noir classics lined up with genre stars such as Robert Mitchum, Robert Montgomery, Robert Ryan, and Jane Russell, are now available in Volume 3 of the Film Noir Classics Collection series. The new 6 Disc DVD set is only available as a collection and includes a bonus documentary disc on the Noir genre.
Elessar2003
04-30-06, 11:41 AM
From DVDTimes (http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=61243)
Bonus Disc (exclusive to the set)
Documentary: Film Noir: Bringing Darkness to Light
Vintage Shorts:
- Women in Hiding
- You, the People
- Forbidden Passage
- A Gun in his Hand
Cameron
05-01-06, 01:38 PM
great box art again...
Lokimok
05-01-06, 11:56 PM
His Kind of Woman has been high on my want list for some time. Not a straight noir, it's a very funny movie - especially Vincent Price.
I love the gimmick in Dark Passage, but Lady in the Lake doesn't really do it for me. I'm not sure I've ever gotten through the whole film. Still, it's nice to have more Audrey Totter on DVD. Now bring on Tension!
On Dangerous Ground sounds very interesting. Hard to resist Ryan & Lupino (& Savant commentary).
I could do without Lizabeth Scott in my collection, but I look forward to the set.
shearerchic
05-02-06, 07:24 PM
it's ONLY $34.99 for pre-order on amazon.
E.D.
07-18-06, 12:07 PM
Hey, up until yesterday my order on amazon said this had a release date of July 18th and that it would ship this week along with the "Tough Guys Collection." However, now amazon.ca lists a release date of August 15. Does anyone have any information on this? While I'm glad Warner is releasing these titles, a three week delay that is not announced in advance of the release date is bullshit in my mind. I was really excited to watch some Warner's Film Noir, so if anyone has any info explaining this crap, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks!
Kerborus
07-18-06, 03:19 PM
I know I'll get ripped for this, but I actually didn't buy this set today, after very much looking forward to it's release when I picked it up and saw that the films were all in slim disc packaging. Now, I will by these in the near future, but I picked up the tough guys collection instead. I just can't stand that they can't spring the extra dime to make these all uniform with the previous sets. I'm big on packaging which I like to display on my shelves and this was very disappointing. Take note WB, I didn't buy for that reason alone.
RichDB10
07-18-06, 04:01 PM
My 2 cents, i'm glad they're bringing out these slim packs, I don't want to be surrounded by dvds in my room.
Have to say i found it pleasantly suprising that WB had gone the slim pack route for this collection....long may it continue.
Speaking personally i find that i am yet to receive a disc loose in its case when they are housed in these slim cases.
Cameron
07-18-06, 04:10 PM
also love the idea of slims....my dvd collection is in overflow mode as we speak. It is a bit strange that at the HTF chat, they stated they were going to put the astaire & rodgers set in full size cases to match...i need to go pick these up
ToddSm66
07-18-06, 05:16 PM
I hate that they switched the packaging...I'll still buy the set, but now I just have to go through the hassle of printing off new covers and buying blank cases.
jamieoni
07-18-06, 05:21 PM
I hate that they switched the packaging...I'll still buy the set, but now I just have to go through the hassle of printing off new covers and buying blank cases.
But doesn't that leave you with a box that no longer holds the discs?
I'm with Cameron. I need the room. This isn't like the way Six Feet Under or The Simpsons altered specialized packaging so that they couldn't fit on the same shelf, these sets will still go together. I'm cool with this as long as the rest of the aesthetic remains the same.
ToddSm66
07-18-06, 05:28 PM
I always ditch the cardboard boxes anyway, with any boxset I buy.
I'm usually not that anal about things - but I have a whole film noir section set off to the side, and everything so far is in typical keep cases. This would be the only thing that would look different.
Kerborus
07-18-06, 05:55 PM
I hate that they switched the packaging...I'll still buy the set, but now I just have to go through the hassle of printing off new covers and buying blank cases.
My sentiment exactly...
Xbox69
07-19-06, 01:14 AM
Were the slimline cases really a surprise? I've been browsing this set on Amazon and I have the previous 2 already. You can noticably see from the pic that the box is somewhat slimmer containing 6 discs for Vol. 3. I really don't mind the new packaging as they all go into my DVD binder sleeves.
I will most likely pick this up in Nov. (DDD)
ViewAskewbian
07-19-06, 02:14 AM
Hey, up until yesterday my order on amazon said this had a release date of July 18th and that it would ship this week along with the "Tough Guys Collection." However, now amazon.ca lists a release date of August 15. Does anyone have any information on this? While I'm glad Warner is releasing these titles, a three week delay that is not announced in advance of the release date is bullshit in my mind. I was really excited to watch some Warner's Film Noir, so if anyone has any info explaining this crap, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks!
Same boat here. Worse yet, the Tough Guys set has ALSO been delayed until August 15. That was only changed a few hours ago.
gcbma
07-19-06, 03:46 AM
I always ditch the cardboard boxes anyway, with any boxset I buy.
I'm the same way for compilation box sets: for me, I generally separate the titles and place them on my shelf alphabetically, and either toss the box or use it for something else. I prefer slim cases for TV-season box sets, but for boxes of different movies like this one, I need to have the regular standalone DVD cases.
randall
07-19-06, 04:25 AM
now I just have to go through the hassle of printing off new covers and buying blank cases.
I'd be neat if you could post your cover scans :) As I have done with vols 1-2, I will also
separate the titles and place them on my shelf alphabetically
Kerborus
07-19-06, 06:26 AM
Yeah, If you scan these and they look great, I'd be interested as well. The spine is really the only thing I'm worried about...
Steve
07-19-06, 09:42 AM
mine just shipped yesterday from Amazon so don't understand any delays for other people.
bboisvert
07-19-06, 11:19 AM
I know I'll get ripped for this, but I actually didn't buy this set today, after very much looking forward to it's release when I picked it up and saw that the films were all in slim disc packaging. Now, I will by these in the near future, but I picked up the tough guys collection instead. I just can't stand that they can't spring the extra dime to make these all uniform with the previous sets. I'm big on packaging which I like to display on my shelves and this was very disappointing. Take note WB, I didn't buy for that reason alone.
Funny... I was coming to this thread to specifically praise WB for switching to thinpaks. :)
I just got this in the mail and it was a pleasant surprise. Anything like that that saves space is welcome by me. I approve. :up:
E.D.
07-19-06, 11:31 AM
Well, it appears both this and "Tough Guys Collection" have been delayed until August 15th in Canada......any sort of explanation from Warner Bros would be much appreciated, but ah well, whatever. I guess I'll use my money to buy some other DVDs today. Thanks a lot, WB, way to screw-over the Canadian consumer.
ToddSm66
07-19-06, 12:11 PM
I'd be neat if you could post your cover scans :)
I will...Haven't gone out to pick up the set yet, but should have it this weekend.
ctyankee
07-19-06, 02:34 PM
To those talking about the lack of continuity of packaging on their shelves ...
much ado about nothing in my view. What are you going to do when the next generation of video software and the one after that? Guys this is just stuff.
Sure I prefer slim-packs but it doesn't matter what you or I think on the issue. This is retail issue. Retailers want to maximize their shelf space and the explosion of the DVD titles, packing air on shelves doesn't work for them.
So, a retailer will tell a DVD supplier, you can have five feet of shelf space for all your titles. If your product turns faster than someone else's you get more space, if not, less space.
So guess which way this is going.
ToddSm66
07-19-06, 03:29 PM
Oh, it's not a big deal at all...but in the end, I'm more concerend with how my DVDs look on my shelf than how much space they take up at the store. Like I said, it's just a hassle to have to print off new covers for these - something I didn't have to do until now. It's not like I'm going to boycott Warner DVDs or anything.
natevines
07-19-06, 03:39 PM
Yeah, no biggie. I don't mind the cases, though I prefer the regular ones. Same movies, but yeah, I wish they were keepcases just for continuity. It looks nicer on the shelf.
slop101
07-19-06, 03:57 PM
Take note WB, I didn't buy for that reason alone. Then I balanced you out, as I was on the fence about this release, since none of these noirs are consedered essential, but the packaging is what encouraged me to get it.
I love the switch to slim-line cases - actually, I think they didn't go far enough, as I would've prefered they used those slim-cases that hold two discs each, then the package would've been half as thick as it is now.
naitram
07-19-06, 04:09 PM
So if they're slim-cases does that mean they won't be available for sale individually? I've piece-mealed from the last few Warner sets through Coumbia House.
Kerborus
07-19-06, 05:23 PM
Oh, it's not a big deal at all...but in the end, I'm more concerend with how my DVDs look on my shelf than how much space they take up at the store. Like I said, it's just a hassle to have to print off new covers for these - something I didn't have to do until now. It's not like I'm going to boycott Warner DVDs or anything.
Exactly, I'm a huge consumer of DVD's, not a flash in the pan like some of you are. I basically buy all of the WB sets because I love movies. I also buy them for the packaging - slim packs do not display well - you can't read the title and there is no 'presence on the shelf, no artistry with the spine. This is part of the joy in displaying them. If you take away this aspect, to me, it's a negative. Space is not an issue for all collector's, just some. Since these movies really only appeal to certain hard core collectors, they shouldn't scrimp on the packaging.
MEJHarrison
07-19-06, 05:42 PM
So if they're slim-cases does that mean they won't be available for sale individually? I've piece-mealed from the last few Warner sets through Coumbia House.
That's what Warner said in their last chat. Sets with slim cases won't be sold seperately. Those that are sold seperately will be in the thicker keepcases.
Personally, I'm a fan of the slim cases. I have one with a broken hub and when the case is shut, I can shack and rattle it all I want and the disc stays on the broken hub (I just have to be careful opening the case). That's a big improvement in my eyes.
Cameron
07-19-06, 05:44 PM
^yah but that didn't exactly stick either. The lucy & Desi were released in slims, and long long trailer was released stand alone also in a slim
ViewAskewbian
07-20-06, 01:29 AM
Well, it appears both this and "Tough Guys Collection" have been delayed until August 15th in Canada......any sort of explanation from Warner Bros would be much appreciated, but ah well, whatever. I guess I'll use my money to buy some other DVDs today. Thanks a lot, WB, way to screw-over the Canadian consumer.
Well, I don't think we are being screwed over here, in a sense. Warner puts out amazing DVDs and the US has obtained releases before us from many other companies before. If they were not releasing it here in Canada (say, like, the Classic Comedies Collection) then I would have issue. Waiting three weeks for something this good is fine by me.
E.D.
07-20-06, 01:53 AM
Like I said, I'm still glad they're making the effort to release these pictures. My problem lies in the fact that the Canadian delay was not announced until the July 18th release date. It pisses me off when I anticipate watching these titles this week, only to learn with absolutely NO prior warning that there is suddenly a three week delay. Had they been more professional about this and announced this delay a few weeks ago, while I would've still been irked, I could have tolerated it a little more. But, like I said, I wanted to watch these this week, and up until Tuesday, I thought that would happen.
slop101
07-20-06, 02:40 AM
Exactly, I'm a huge consumer of DVD's,Wow - there's so much in this post to make fun of. Where do I begin?
First off, I think it's funny/ironic that you (unintentionally?) put an "apostrophe-S" on "DVD" - as if they own you, instead of the other way around.
not a flash in the pan like some of you are. :rolleyes: Yeah, I'm sure some of us will wake up some day and all of a sudden hate movies.
I basically buy all of the WB sets because I love movies.Well, apparently you don't really love movies like we do, since we didn't let the packaging keep us from buying and enjoying it.
I also buy them for the packaging - slim packs do not display well - you can't read the title and there is no 'presence on the shelf, no artistry with the spine.Okay, this is the part where you're just flat-out wrong. Bro, you must need glasses, because I can read the spines on the slim-cases just fine. And if you really can't see them, turn the box around and voilą, you have the spine of the box that has pictures of the dvds on it - you know, artistry? Not to mention presence, since it's a couple inches thick. But if that's not enough, and since you're so into displaying your dvds, why draw the line at the spines? Attach a bunch of clear mylar bags along your walls, and slide your DVDs in there to display them with their covers facing out - that's even more artistry!
This is part of the joy in displaying them. If you take away this aspect, to me, it's a negative. Space is not an issue for all collector's, just some. Since these movies really only appeal to certain hard core collectors, they shouldn't scrimp on the packaging.I really don't see how a slimmer case is scrimping on packaging - open up a standard Amaray, and there's a lot of wasted space in there. These are just more efficient, and no less appealing. And dude, I don't know where you get the idea that these are for "hard core collectors" - whatever that means, but there are plenty of people who buy these that don't really have a big dvd collection.
Oh, and FWIW, here (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showpost.php?p=7069633&postcount=106) are pics of my dvd collection to show you that I also like to collect and display dvds, so you won't write me off when I say that you're being a little silly here.
Kerborus
07-20-06, 06:28 AM
Wow - there's so much in this post to make fun of. Where do I begin?
First off, I think it's funny/ironic that you (unintentionally?) put an "apostrophe-S" on "DVD" - as if they own you, instead of the other way around.
:rolleyes: Yeah, I'm sure some of us will wake up some day and all of a sudden hate movies.
Well, apparently you don't really love movies like we do, since we didn't let the packaging keep us from buying and enjoying it.
Okay, this is the part where you're just flat-out wrong. Bro, you must need glasses, because I can read the spines on the slim-cases just fine. And if you really can't see them, turn the box around and voilą, you have the spine of the box that has pictures of the dvds on it - you know, artistry? Not to mention presence, since it's a couple inches thick. But if that's not enough, and since you're so into displaying your dvds, why draw the line at the spines? Attach a bunch of clear mylar bags along your walls, and slide your DVDs in there to display them with their covers facing out - that's even more artistry!
I really don't see how a slimmer case is scrimping on packaging - open up a standard Amaray, and there's a lot of wasted space in there. These are just more efficient, and no less appealing. And dude, I don't know where you get the idea that these are for "hard core collectors" - whatever that means, but there are plenty of people who buy these that don't really have a big dvd collection.
Oh, and FWIW, here (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showpost.php?p=7069633&postcount=106) are pics of my dvd collection to show you that I also like to collect and display dvds, so you won't write me off when I say that you're being a little silly here.
The post wasn't intended for you to make fun of, but rather to state my point of view. You're a real nice guy, as usual, and you're also full of shit. Saying that the slim lines display the same from the side is wrong, glasses or not. There's a difference, check it out. As I said previously, I will buy the set, just not at that moment.
To say that the film noir collection and volume 3 to boot isn't just for hard core noir fans is also wrong. That's why best buy only carries 3 sets of them. Every Tom, Dick, and Slop101 is not rushing out to buy these older, obscure movies. THAT'S what I meant. For those of us interested, I thought they should have maintained the continuity of previous packaging and gone amaray.
I know you have a big collection, to go with that big attitude of yours. Quit slamming people just to get yourself off. I was merely stating my point of view. Not everyone has a collection as big as ours.
bboisvert
07-20-06, 09:38 AM
The post wasn't intended for you to make fun of, but rather to state my point of view.
Then you probably shouldn't have started off by stating what a huge consumer you were, as opposed to others who are just a "flash in the pan". When someone like me -- who started collecting laserdiscs 25 years ago -- reads that, it makes it nearly impossible to *not* make fun of your post.
We just disagree. You think that the slimlines look bad/cheap, and I think they look streamlined and efficient. As slop points out, there's a ton of wasted space inside a standard keepcase. A slimline eliminates that, maintains the exact same size for front and back cover, and keeps a readable spine. And it takes up *half* the space. Maybe you have all the space in the world to lovingly display your Film Noir box, but I personally like to put things away, so my home theater doesn't look like a Blockbuster store. Anything that gives me more options by taking up less space is a bonus.
Ultimately, this discussion doesn't matter. The number of people who will/won't purchase this simply because of thinpaks is trivial. And using the thinpaks allows Warner to double their shelf space at retail. So they'll continue to do it where it makes sense. That makes me happy and makes you sad. But 99.9% of the people buying these things don't care one way or the other.
On the subject of consistency... this has never been the strong point of the studios in general. They don't care how these display on our shelves. One need only look at TV sets by different studios to realize that their graphic design people sometimes don't even look at the previous season's box to see how things lined up, and what text was used. Law & Order uses no less than 4 different sized boxes and 3 different spine texts (It starts off "One", then "Two", then "The Third Year", then "The 14th Year"), and they've only put out 5 sets so far. The Shield does the same thing... "The Complete First Season" followed by "Season 2". It looks stupid and makes the copyeditor in me cringe. But it didn't prevent me from buying them.
Kerborus
07-20-06, 03:03 PM
Then you probably shouldn't have started off by stating what a huge consumer you were, as opposed to others who are just a "flash in the pan". When someone like me -- who started collecting laserdiscs 25 years ago -- reads that, it makes it nearly impossible to *not* make fun of your post.
We just disagree. You think that the slimlines look bad/cheap, and I think they look streamlined and efficient. As slop points out, there's a ton of wasted space inside a standard keepcase. A slimline eliminates that, maintains the exact same size for front and back cover, and keeps a readable spine. And it takes up *half* the space. Maybe you have all the space in the world to lovingly display your Film Noir box, but I personally like to put things away, so my home theater doesn't look like a Blockbuster store. Anything that gives me more options by taking up less space is a bonus.
Ultimately, this discussion doesn't matter. The number of people who will/won't purchase this simply because of thinpaks is trivial. And using the thinpaks allows Warner to double their shelf space at retail. So they'll continue to do it where it makes sense. That makes me happy and makes you sad. But 99.9% of the people buying these things don't care one way or the other.
On the subject of consistency... this has never been the strong point of the studios in general. They don't care how these display on our shelves. One need only look at TV sets by different studios to realize that their graphic design people sometimes don't even look at the previous season's box to see how things lined up, and what text was used. Law & Order uses no less than 4 different sized boxes and 3 different spine texts (It starts off "One", then "Two", then "The Third Year", then "The 14th Year"), and they've only put out 5 sets so far. The Shield does the same thing... "The Complete First Season" followed by "Season 2". It looks stupid and makes the copyeditor in me cringe. But it didn't prevent me from buying them.
Again, I said nothing that was generally out there for anyone's amusement. My inclusion of the fact that I was huge collector means that I have a big emotional and dollar investment in the product. I am the person they are marketing to (you would think) because they can bank on my money. The people who waffle based on thin paks, which you describe as a triviality, should not be as of much concern. This was my point. It wasn't intended as an insult to anybody, it's just that some people like to get offended for fun and slam people.
You yourself cringed at the Shield box sets (as I did) when the continuity changed. Saying that it doesn't matter to the studios doesn't mean anything to me. I'M the consumer and i was putting out the fact that 'I' don't like it. Since 'I' am someone who heavily invests in their product, I think 'I' have an opinion they should listen to. This in no way means that I demean anyone elses opinions. I don't think I did at any point, so why do I get attacked?
bboisvert
07-20-06, 03:45 PM
I think 'I' have an opinion they should listen to. This in no way means that I demean anyone elses opinions. I don't think I did at any point, so why do I get attacked?
Quote: "I'm a huge consumer of DVD's, not a flash in the pan like some of you are."
I don't see how you fail to understand this. You turned it into a pissing contest. Your opinion is valid because *you're* a huge consumer... and others (who disagree) are a 'flash in the pan'.
You may not have meant for that to be demeaning, but that's how you are coming across. No one is reading a Flim Noir Volume 3 thread who is not serious about movies and/or DVD collecting. By your own admission, these older, obscure films are more for hard-core fans. So to state that people here are somehow not as serious/'huge' as you are is basically the textbook definition of demeaning.
Kerborus
07-20-06, 03:51 PM
How is flash in a pan an insult? I still don't see the slur. It's your perception, you WANT to get offended. What's wrong with being a flash in the pan in a certain genre? I would not pretend to know all about anime and I wouldn't be demanding changes in anime DVD's because I want one series - rather I defer to the anime crowd for what they would like to see, because I really don't care, it's 'trivial' to me. But this is where I collect and I do feel that those who invest heavily in them should have their opinions weigh more than just some guy who could care less.
I intended no insult. If I did I would have cursed or something.
bboisvert
07-20-06, 04:17 PM
What's wrong with being a flash in the pan in a certain genre?
We could go around in circles all day, since you obviously don't see what you actually said.
Where, in that original quote, does it say anything about genre? You say that you're a huge consumer of DVDs and that others are just a flash in the pan. You didn't say "I like Film Noir/Warner classics more than most". And even if you had, that would be a pretty huge assumption.
Think of the company you're in... this is a thread on a DVD board about the third volume of obscure/older film noir releases. Your average 'casual moviegoer' isn't reading this thread. People who enjoy this type of stuff are. The very assumption that your knowledge/collection is somehow superior to others is the silly/insulting aspect of your posts. You have no clue about the collections or interests of people here... why would you assume that 'your opinions weigh more'?
natevines
07-20-06, 06:45 PM
Slightly OT, but did anyone else notice the lack of English subtitles on Each Dawn I Die? Every other film in the Tough Guys box has...except 'Each Dawn'. What gives?
Kerborus
07-20-06, 07:13 PM
We could go around in circles all day, since you obviously don't see what you actually said.
Where, in that original quote, does it say anything about genre? You say that you're a huge consumer of DVDs and that others are just a flash in the pan. You didn't say "I like Film Noir/Warner classics more than most". And even if you had, that would be a pretty huge assumption.
Think of the company you're in... this is a thread on a DVD board about the third volume of obscure/older film noir releases. Your average 'casual moviegoer' isn't reading this thread. People who enjoy this type of stuff are. The very assumption that your knowledge/collection is somehow superior to others is the silly/insulting aspect of your posts. You have no clue about the collections or interests of people here... why would you assume that 'your opinions weigh more'?
What the hell are you talking about? Are you that much of a unstable person that you think I was referring directly to you? These are broad generalizations I'm making I never said anything about anyone in particular. Even on this board there aren't tons of people not into film noir.
My opinion should weigh more because I am the consumer of film noir. A non-consumer of film noir should not give a crap. How hard is that?
Oh well. I'm done. I said what I said and stand by it. You'll just have to go on being deeply offended.
arsmith7
07-20-06, 07:51 PM
Kerborus,
Your opinion weighs the same as everyone elses. I think your failure to realize that is the problem. Everyone in this post in a "consumer of film noir" being as we have purchased or considered purchasing the third set. My $34.99 is just as important to WB as yours.
Anyway, oh happy day, mine arrived from Amazon today and my declining shelf space loves thinpacks :)
ernestrp
07-20-06, 08:12 PM
Kerborus,
Your opinion weighs the same as everyone elses. I think your failure to realize that is the problem. Everyone in this post in a "consumer of film noir" being as we have purchased or considered purchasing the third set. My $34.99 is just as important to WB as yours.
Anyway, oh happy day, mine arrived from Amazon today and my declining shelf space loves thinpacks :)
I got my Film Noir 3 set and The Tough Guys set today from Amazon and I was a little pissed the TTGS was not in slim-cases. Slim me all the way....
NoirFan
07-20-06, 08:37 PM
My opinion should weigh more because I am the consumer of film noir.
I usually don't weigh in on verbal skirmishes, but I feel this statement is a bit much. A tad too much hubris. That being said, I am as anal-retentive about dvd packaging as the next guy, and I will reserve judgement on your argument until I have the 3rd volume on my shelf next to the other two.
Dead
07-20-06, 09:08 PM
What the hell are you talking about? Are you that much of a unstable person that you think I was referring directly to you? ...
Kerborus, personal attacks are against forum rules. In the future, I'd suggest that you avoid making comments like this about other members.
Now, I'd like to ask all of you to stick to the topic. If the thread continues with posts directed at each other, instead of the topic, I will close it.
Kerborus
07-20-06, 09:40 PM
Sigh.
will travel
07-21-06, 03:09 AM
Thin Case or thick case, I don't care.
I have the movies and that is all that matters to me.
Of course a little more bonus features would have been nice.
Like "The Lux Radio Theatre" show for "Lady in the Lake" with Robert
Montgromy.
moner
07-23-06, 06:23 PM
After the disappointing box 2, #3 is a return to the promise of the first set (though I don't think the first set will be surpased)
Anyone notice that the documentary tells us which titles will probably be in box 4; since the doc only uses clips from warner dvds, with a heavy emphasis on the previous noir sets. Film clips of "Crime Wave", "The Big Steal", "Stranger on the Third Floor", "Decoy" and "They Live by Night" (add in the fact that Eddie Muller with Farley Granger have recorded a commentary track for the last title)
I am already looking forward to the next set.
ToddSm66
07-23-06, 09:48 PM
Here are the covers for anybody that's interested. I bumped the compression quality down a little bit in Photoshop to keep the file sizes a little more reasonable... If anybody knows of a place where I can contribute covers, I'll put them there at the highest quality settings, although I don't really see a difference between the two.
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