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mrpayroll
02-15-06, 11:58 AM
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-morales15feb15,0,1491215.story?track=tothtml

February 15, 2006

Change in Lethal Injections Ordered

The state must execute Michael Morales with sedatives or ensure he cannot feel deadly drugs, U.S. judge rules.

By Louis Sahagun, Times Staff Writer


Agreeing that lethal injection may cause excessive pain, a federal judge told state corrections officials Tuesday to change the way they administer the fatal dose, or face a delay in death row inmate Michael Morales' Feb. 21 execution.

U.S. District Judge Jeremy Fogel said in a 15-page ruling that San Quentin State Prison officials may either administer fatal levels of sedatives exclusively or have an anesthesiologist present to ensure that Morales is unconscious before they deliver the standard mix of sedatives, paralytic agents and heart-stopping chemicals.

"It is hoped that the remedy ordered by this federal court in this case will be a one-time event," said Fogel, of the U.S. District Court in San Jose.

Death penalty opponents were elated by Fogel's decision.

"This is a historic decision," said Natasha Minsker, director of death penalty policy for the American Civil Liberties Union in Northern California. "This is the first time a federal judge has concluded that there is substantial evidence that people may be suffering pain during the lethal injection process."

"Judge Fogel noted that in six of the past 13 executions something went wrong," she said, "and there is reason to believe that in those six cases, people were suffering."

With regard to Morales' Feb. 21 execution date, however, Minsker said, "It's hard to say what will happen next."

State corrections officials have until Thursday to decide whether to accept Fogel's proposal of using sedatives, or until today to select an anesthesiologist. Morales would have until Thursday to comment on the medical professional who is chosen.

Neither the state attorney general nor Morales' attorneys would say whether they plan to appeal Fogel's ruling. California began executing prisoners by injection in 1996 after a federal appeals court ruled that San Quentin's gas chamber violated the Constitution's ban on cruel and unusual punishment.

If state officials reject Fogel's options, the court will stay the execution and hold an evidentiary hearing in early May on Morales' assertions that execution by lethal injection is unconstitutional.

In his ruling, Fogel acknowledged that sedatives alone could possibly prolong the execution by as much as 45 minutes.

But pointing in part to problems encountered during the recent executions of Stanley Tookie Williams and Clarence Ray Allen, Fogel also said Morales had raised legitimate fears that unexpected problems during the lethal injection process could cause extreme pain.

On Dec. 13, a profusely sweating prison nurse poked a needle into Williams' muscular arm again and again, searching for a vein to deliver the lethal chemicals.

On Jan. 17, Allen, California's oldest condemned inmate, required two doses of potassium chloride to stop his heart.

California corrections officials — like those in the 36 other states that rely on lethal injection — execute condemned inmates with a combination of three chemicals: 5 grams of sodium thiopental, a short-acting barbiturate; 50 or 100 milligrams of pancuronium bromide, which paralyzes all voluntary muscles; and 50 or 100 milligrams of potassium chloride, which induces cardiac arrest.

In theory, the barbiturate renders the inmate unconscious long enough for the potassium chloride to stop his heart. Without the barbiturate, the heart-stopping injection would cause intense burning pain. But with it, state lawyers argue, the inmate feels nothing.

Each chemical is given in a dosage that is lethal by itself, Fogel said. They are administered through an IV started in two veins — one is a backup.

Morales' lawyers argue that the barbiturate may not always work effectively. Because the second paralytic drug freezes all of an inmate's muscles, the prisoner may have no way of signaling whether he or she is still conscious and able to feel the third chemical.

Even state corrections authorities agree that a person injected with the second and third chemicals while conscious would experience excruciating pain. They assert, however, that the dosage of the barbiturate is more than enough to ensure Morales would be unconscious before receiving the drugs.

On Monday, Fogel asked state corrections officials two questions indicating that he had doubts as to whether the procedure worked as intended.

He asked whether it would be feasible to proceed with the execution using the sedatives exclusively.

State authorities said that although it would be possible to kill Morales using only barbiturates, it could take as long as 45 minutes for him to die.

Since the current method of execution results in death in an average of 11 minutes, the authorities said they did not support the exclusive use of a sedative.

Fogel also asked if it would be feasible to apply an independent means — such as a medical device or a qualified individual — to ensure that Morales is unconscious before the second two injections are administered.

State authorities responded that they were unaware of any devices that were easily obtainable and effective in monitoring consciousness. However, they said, San Quentin State Prison Warden Steven Ornoski could monitor Morales inside the execution chamber.

It was not clear whether Ornoski's credentials met Fogel's call for a qualified individual with formal training in anesthesiology.

Fogel's ruling appeared to place Morales' fate in the hands of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who is reviewing Morales' plea for clemency.

On Tuesday, former Whitewater independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr urged Schwarzenegger to focus on the facts of the case in weighing whether to spare Morales' life, and not on the allegedly fake jurors' affidavits recently submitted in support of his bid for clemency.

The defense legal team, which Starr joined 20 days ago, has withdrawn the questionable affidavits generated by defense investigator Kathleen Culhane, who has been released from the case. It also has launched an investigation into the disputed documents.

"It would be profoundly unjust now," Starr said in a statement, "for the wrongdoing — if there was any wrongdoing — on the part of a single investigator in the clemency effort to compromise, much less jeopardize, the plea for mercy."

Morales, 46, of Stockton, was convicted of the 1981 rape and murder of Terri Winchell, a 17-year-old Lodi high school student. Morales was sentenced to death in 1983.

Starr noted that the trial judge, Charles R. McGrath, has concluded that more recently uncovered evidence appears to undermine the basis of a capital murder charge against Morales.

Specifically, "Michael was condemned, wrongly, by the false testimony under oath," Starr said, "by a profoundly untrustworthy jailhouse informant and serial felon."

Prosecutors have argued that jurors did not rely on the informant's testimony when they unanimously recommended that Morales be executed.


Chris

X
02-15-06, 12:02 PM
Using one of those stun guns they use on cows first would make sure he didn't feel any pain from the injection.

Before cattle are slaughtered, they are stunned with a shot to the head to make them unconscious and to protect workers. Stunning is required by law so the animal feels no pain when it dies.

classicman2
02-15-06, 12:07 PM
They're called cattle prods. ;)

Bandoman
02-15-06, 12:09 PM
Can't they just taser him to death?

X
02-15-06, 12:10 PM
They're called cattle prods. ;)No they're not. These do not shock with electricity. They are a pneumatic or cartridge device that fires a bolt into a cow's head.

Here's a picture. Just replace the cow with the guy to be executed.

http://www.grandin.com/gifs/stun.jpg

http://www.grandin.com/humane/captive.bolt.html

VinVega
02-15-06, 12:11 PM
Using one of those stun guns they use on cows first would make sure he didn't feel any pain from the injection.
Actually I belive it's a metal bolt to the brain that kills the cows. I didn't think they did anything else.

As far as the subject of the thread is concerned, how will they know if the process is painless? They can't bring the guy back to life later and ask him if it hurt. :hscratch:

mrpayroll
02-15-06, 12:12 PM
No they're not. These do not shock with electricity. They are a pneumatic device that fires a bolt into a cow's head.

-eek-

Chris

X
02-15-06, 12:15 PM
Actually I belive it's a metal bolt to the brain that kills the cows. I didn't think they did anything else.Apparently they do still have to kill them afterward. But since they don't usually put them on an EEG it's probably hard to determine the exact time of death.

General Zod
02-16-06, 09:41 AM
The state opted to just have a anesthesiologist on hand to verify that he's unconscious.

mikehunt
02-16-06, 07:12 PM
the death penalty isn't painful enough

grundle
02-17-06, 08:37 AM
The state opted to just have a anesthesiologist on hand to verify that he's unconscious.

Yes.

But he only has to be unconscious temporarily.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/02/14/MNGPNH8FQP4.DTL

State ordered to ensure Morales is unconscious before lethal injection

Bob Egelko, Chronicle Staff Writer

Tuesday, February 14, 2006

SAN JOSE -- A federal judge refused today to block next week's scheduled execution of Michael Morales for the 1981 murder of a 17-year-old Lodi girl. However, the judge said the state must place someone in the death chamber with medical training to make sure Morales is unconscious during the lethal injection procedure.

Lawyers for the 46-year-old inmate had argued that eyewitness accounts and medical logs from recent executions at San Quentin State Prison indicated that the state's procedures for administering a sequence of three lethal chemicals were not working as planned and posed a risk that the prisoner would suffer a slow and painful death. They asked U.S. District Judge Jeremy Fogel to stay the execution, scheduled for 12:01 a.m. Tuesday, and order a hearing that could result in changes to the state's procedures.

In today's order, Fogel said defense lawyers had raised a "substantial question'' about the administration of lethal injection in California. But he said the state's interest in proceeding with an execution for a murder committed 25 years ago could be satisfied without violating Morales' "constitutional right not to be subject to an undue risk of extreme pain.''

Fogel said the execution could proceed if, by the close of business Wednesday, the state provided the name of a person with training and experience in anesthesia to attend the execution. <b>That person would verify that Morales was rendered unconscious by the first of the three chemicals and did not regain consciousness until he was pronounced dead.</b>

Morales was convicted of raping and murdering 17-year-old Terri Winchell near Lodi in 1981. His lawyers have asked Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger for clemency, claiming the death sentence resulted from a jailhouse informant's false testimony.

General Zod
02-17-06, 10:05 AM
<b>That person would verify that Morales was rendered unconscious by the first of the three chemicals and did not regain consciousness until he was pronounced dead.</b>
:lol:

kms_md
02-17-06, 11:18 AM
As far as the subject of the thread is concerned, how will they know if the process is painless? They can't bring the guy back to life later and ask him if it hurt. :hscratch:

an anesthesiologist/anesthetist might be the best to answer. IMO, if they have the prisoner hooked up to a heart monitor they should be able to tell if there is any evidence of duress -- the heart rate will jump up considerably. patients who have been paralyzed for intubation/surgery but do not have sufficient medication for anxiety or pain will have a marked increase in their heart rate.

btw, IV potassium chloride hurts like a bitch.

mrpayroll
02-17-06, 11:55 AM
:lol:

Hey, it worked for Lazarus!

Chris

General Zod
02-17-06, 12:05 PM
Hey, it worked for Lazarus!

Chris
It worked for Captain Kirk once too.. ;)

I heard an interview from an anesthesiologist who said that they can check to make sure someone isn't conscious or feeling pain by checking reactionary reflexes and cornea dialation, etc. One also said there is a machine they can hook up that scans brain waves and at a certain level the brain no longer processes pain signals..

However the argument right now is that the doctor is not allowed in the execution chamber by current law, AND even if he was he's not allowed by law to stop the execution. So the defense is saying this solution isn't and good and they are appealing to the 9th circuit to get the execution stopped.. So to recap: They complain that there's nobody to determine if he's unconscious and then when they are given someone they say that's no good. OK...

Bandoman
02-17-06, 12:07 PM
It worked for Captain Kirk once too.. ;)




...and Jack Bauer...

awmurray
02-17-06, 04:22 PM
To reduce the potential for pain, it might also be helpful for someone to administer a blow-job while all this is going on.... just in case, you know. Could be male or female (inmates choice). Don't want to discriminate and all.

movie diva
02-17-06, 06:02 PM
Just give them a double tap to the back of the head with a 9mil bullets are cheap, they could get 2-3 boxes and clean up deathrow real quick. Everyday I hate that I live in California, just a little bit more.

kvrdave
02-17-06, 06:45 PM
-eek-

Chris

We had a field trip to such a place when I was in grade school. :lol:

mrpayroll
02-17-06, 07:10 PM
We had a field trip to such a place when I was in grade school. :lol:

No wonder you turned out the way that you did! :lol:

Chris

BigDan
02-17-06, 08:36 PM
In his ruling, Fogel acknowledged that sedatives alone could possibly prolong the execution by as much as 45 minutes.

[other stuff snipped]

Since the current method of execution results in death in an average of 11 minutes, the authorities said they did not support the exclusive use of a sedative.

For some reason, I find this humorous. Like 'We can't be spending 45 minutes executing someone. We've got things to do.'

grundle
02-17-06, 09:42 PM
The reason it takes 45 minutes to execute someone is because it's done by government employees.

Remember that 18 year old who took that government bus and drove all those Katrina victims to Houston? They should hire him to do executions.

Forum Troll
02-18-06, 04:21 AM
http://www.ninjabynight.com/noose.gif

Done.

Myster X
02-20-06, 02:30 PM
Will Austria disown the Governator this time?

Schwarzenegger turns his back on clemency bid

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/20022006/364/schwarzenegger-turns-clemency-bid.html

California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has sent another man to the execution chamber, after turning down appeals for clemency.

The movie star-turned-politician reviewed the details of the 1981 murder of Terri Winchell by Michael Morales last week, but found nothing to reverse his death order or grant the killer clemency.

In a five-page statement released on Friday, Schwarzenegger admitted he was unmoved by claims that Morales is "a changed man".

He wrote, "(That) does not excuse the brutal murder of Terri Winchell."

Morales, 46, is scheduled to die by lethal injection at San Quentin State Prison in California tomorrow.

Goldblum
02-20-06, 05:12 PM
Can't they just taser him to death?
Yes, but then they'd have to use 25,000 WATTS!

crazyronin
02-20-06, 06:38 PM
Just give them a double tap to the back of the head with a 9mil bullets are cheap, they could get 2-3 boxes and clean up deathrow real quick. Everyday I hate that I live in California, just a little bit more.

9mm ammo is to expensive. Two in the hat with a .22 would be just as effective and a little bit cheaper.

:johnwoo:

General Zod
02-20-06, 11:38 PM
Well I wish they could make the lethal injection very painful and make it last a good long time, but there are too many bleeding hearts out there that think someone who savagely murders people should have a nice last meal and a 100% painless death.

Anyhow, only 3 hours and 20 mins to go till this guy goes down. I hope he rots in hell.

Love,

Zod

Cameron
02-20-06, 11:44 PM
they would complain if we hung him with a brand new rope...

shaun3000
02-21-06, 12:35 AM
Well I wish they could make the lethal injection very painful and make it last a good long time, but there are too many bleeding hearts out there that think someone who savagely murders people should have a nice last meal and a 100% painless death. Yeah, that damned bleeding heart bill of rights. We should just rid of the whole thing. Too many under-aged boobies, free-speaking people, and non-suffering murderers out there.

X
02-21-06, 01:16 AM
Yeah, that damned bleeding heart bill of rights. We should just rid of the whole thing. Too many under-aged boobies, free-speaking people, and non-suffering murderers out there.I guess it depends on whether you think a reasonably quick death that might entail few minutes of pain is cruel and unusual. It's a little hard to be too sympathetic when compared to the humane method of death he used when he raped, strangled, bludgeoned and stabbed a 17 year old girl who fought for her life until she died.

Purposely subjecting him to pain is probably not allowable. But bending so far backward to make sure it's equivalent to one of his best night's sleep is a little much.

General Zod
02-21-06, 09:43 AM
Well this creep got a temporary stay until 7:30pm tonight PST. The doctors who VOLUNTEERED to stand by whimped out after citing ethical questions (one wonders why the hell they agreed to do it to begin with). Anyhow, this guy will instead go with the judges second option which is get 5 grams of barbiturates and he'll go out that way. It's the same way vets put animals to sleep and I don't know if any of you have been there when they do it but it's very fast and they just fall asleep and then stop breathing.

An extra 19½ hours of stress for this guy is just what the Dr. ordered :)

Myster X
02-21-06, 03:32 PM
total horseshit

California execution delayed by anesthesiologists

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/02/21/america/web.calif.php

SAN QUENTIN, California The planned execution of a man convicted of raping and murdering a 17-year-old girl was delayed until Tuesday night after two anesthesiologists refused to participate because of ethical concerns.

OldDude
02-21-06, 09:22 PM
Double horseshit. Morales has now escaped his date with the executioner. The judge imposed some other half-assed condition the state couldn't meet, so the execution is "postponed indefinitely." Justice denied the family.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/02/21/california.execution.ap/index.html
Killer's execution postponed indefinitely
Anesthesiologists in California raise ethical concerns

Tuesday, February 21, 2006; Posted: 9:11 p.m. EST (02:11 GMT)

SAN QUENTIN, California (AP) -- California on Tuesday postponed indefinitely the execution of a condemned killer amid a court battle over the state's method of lethal injection and the role doctors may play in the death chamber.

State officials notified the federal courts they would be unable to comply with a judge's order to have a medical profesional administer a lethal dose of barbiturate to Michael Morales in the execution chamber, a court spokeswoman said.

It was unclear when the execution would be carried out. Prison officials were not immediately available for comment.

Morales, 46, was supposed to die by lethal injection at 12:01 a.m. But the execution was put off until at least Tuesday night after the anesthesiologists objected that they might have to advise the executioner if the inmate woke up or appeared to suffer pain.

"Any such intervention would clearly be medically unethical," the doctors, whose identities were not released, said in a statement. "As a result, we have withdrawn from participation in this current process."

The doctors had been brought in by a federal judge after Morales' attorneys argued that the three-part lethal injection process violates the Eighth Amendment prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment. The attorneys said a prisoner could feel excruciating pain from the last two chemicals if he were not fully sedated.

U.S. District Judge Jeremy Fogel gave prison officials a choice last week: bring in doctors to ensure Morales was properly anesthetized, or skip the usual paralyzing and heart-stopping drugs and execute him with an overdose of a sedative.

Prison officials had planned to press forward with the execution Tuesday night using the second option. The judge approved that decision, but said the sedative must be administered in the execution chamber by a person who is licensed by the state to inject medications intravenously. That group would include doctors, nurses and other medical technicians.

Morales' lawyers planned to appeal to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, but the state notified the court late Tuesday afternoon that it did not intend to go forward with the execution.

The judge's ruling renewed an ethical debate that has persisted for many years about the proper role of doctors in executions and the suitability of the lethal injection method used in California and 35 other states.

The American Medical Association, the American Society of Anesthesiologists and the California Medical Association all opposed the anesthesiologists' participation as unethical and unprofessional.

The anesthesiologists ultimately withdrew after the judge wrote that they might have to demand that the executioner administer more sedatives through a separate intravenous line to make sure the prisoner is unconscious.

The anesthesiologists would have joined another doctor who is on duty at all California executions to declare the prisoner dead and ensure proper medical procedures are followed. The doctor does not insert any of the intravenous lines and is not in the room during the execution itself; typically the doctor watches the inmate's vital signs on electronic monitors outside the death chamber.

Deborah Denno, a Fordham University law professor and expert on lethal injection, said Fogel's order seemed "like a desperate measure."

"These are not circumstances by which somebody ought to be executed," she said. "It's never been done before like this."

The U.S. Supreme Court has never directly addressed the constitutionality of lethal injection or whether it causes inmates excessive pain.

Morales was condemned in 1983 for killing 17-year-old Terri Winchell, who was attacked with a hammer, stabbed and left to die half-naked in a vineyard.

Morales had plotted the killing with a gay cousin who was jealous of Winchell's relationship with another man. The cousin was sentenced to life in prison without parole.

classicman2
02-21-06, 09:27 PM
Should we (the judicial system) be more interested in 'justice to the family,' or justice to the accused?

X
02-21-06, 09:31 PM
If he suffered for several hours I'd think it was cruel. But I don't think "cruel and unusual" meant devoid of any bit of pain.

Maybe we'll evolve to using about a kilo of C4 wrapped around the condemned person's head. That can't hurt. Unless someone tightened the charge a little too much and made it slightly uncomfortable.

OldDude
02-21-06, 09:37 PM
Should we (the judicial system) be more interested in 'justice to the family,' or justice to the accused?

Justice to the accused is mostly whether he got a fair trial and was proven guilty. The death penalty needn't be MORE painful than it was for his victim, but given what he did to his victim, I'm not strongly committed to him feeling absolutely zero pain.

The latest requirement that it be someone authorized to administer the anesthetic is just a run on the death penalty, as that is not part of the "three-vial" method where the doctor doesn't participate for ethical reasons. This decision is horseshit.

classicman2
02-21-06, 09:48 PM
I think justice to the accused is considerably more than merely a fair trial.

It means full due process of law - which includes the appellate process. Is that not part of process?

OldDude
02-21-06, 09:53 PM
You know, he's had 25 years of appellate process. His victim only lived to 17. What's wrong with this picture.

Myster X
02-22-06, 12:57 AM
CA needs to follow Idaho and Oklahoma's method. One bullet and end of story. Too bad Utah bans it.

General Zod
02-22-06, 02:14 AM
You know, he's had 25 years of appellate process. His victim only lived to 17. What's wrong with this picture.
:up:

Her family was really looking forward to this day so they can have some closure in their life. They were talking earlier on the radio saying the only faith they had left was that the justice system would work. It failed them. The killer gets all the sorrow, the killed gets forgotten. A damn shame.

This guy is and always was a complete loser. He killed Terri - a straight-A student who had sung in a church choir, played classical piano and was working part time at a restaurant to raise money for college.

Today the murderer is happy and celebrating, and the dead is turning over in their grave.

classicman2
02-22-06, 07:56 AM
CA needs to follow Idaho and Oklahoma's method. One bullet and end of story. Too bad Utah bans it.

:hscratch:

What is that supposed to mean?

jdodd
02-22-06, 12:43 PM
You people make it sound like they just opened the prison doors and let the guy out. He's still gonna get executed, folks. Just not on schedule.

bhk
02-22-06, 12:44 PM
The problem is that the execution has been delayed for around 18 years already. The appeals process is too long.

jdodd
02-22-06, 12:52 PM
OK, but does that mean "justice is not being done" as some folks are claiming? Or does it just mean "justice is not being speedy"?

General Zod
02-22-06, 01:17 PM
OK, but does that mean "justice is not being done" as some folks are claiming? Or does it just mean "justice is not being speedy"?
Why not both? Until he's dead, justice is not done. How long it takes is just an insult to the family and a mockery of the system, but that's the stupid policies we currently have in place. But until the day where he IS executed, justice is not being done.

Myster X
02-22-06, 01:54 PM
:hscratch:

What is that supposed to mean?

Idaho and Oklahoma are the only two states that allow execution by firing squad.

classicman2
02-22-06, 02:30 PM
1. Oklahoma was the first state to adopt lethal injection.

2. When is the last time anyone in Oklahoma has been exectuted by a firing squad.

3. Utah also permits execution by a firing squad - remember Gary Gilmore?

Myster X
02-22-06, 03:09 PM
Utah bans it in 04.

BadlyDrawnBoy
02-22-06, 06:43 PM
How many inmates are there on Death Row?

Seems like each time I ride the Tiburon Loop I meet the protesters walking over to San Quentin. And are we speeding up the process of getting them killed?

Why the sudden rush of execution?

And I wish this guy was long gone. I feel terrible for the family, like somone said the daughter had 17 years, and this guy has had more years of appeals.

Myster X
02-23-06, 11:16 PM
Why are abortion clinics in CA still open? I'm willing to bet the same people who are against this execution have no problem aborting a fetus.