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mrpayroll
02-11-06, 09:21 AM
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-seize11feb11,0,6796122.story?track=tothtml

February 11, 2006

More Medicines From Abroad Seized
By Lisa Girion, Times Staff Writer


The U.S. government apparently is stepping up seizures of cheap drugs ordered by Americans — mainly seniors — from abroad, Canadian pharmacies say.

The pharmacies, which sell drugs by mail and over the Internet, say their shipments are being intercepted by U.S. Customs officials around the country where foreign mail is handled.

"It's huge — we've had over 800 seizures in January," up from 15 in a typical month, said Barney Britton, president of Calgary-based MinitDrugs.

Other pharmacies reported four- to five-fold increases. An informal survey of 30 Canadian pharmacies that cater to American customers, conducted by a senior-citizen advocacy website, showed that the rise began in November, doubled in December and doubled again in January.

Health officials in Minnesota, the first of several states to make cheaper Canadian drugs more readily available to its residents, echoed the reports from north of the border. They said seizures increased in late December from less than 1% to about 4% of shipments, said Brian McClung, a spokesman for Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty.

Ordering drugs from abroad is illegal. But U.S. Customs and Food and Drug Administration officials have generally allowed the practice, apart from occasional seizures designed to publicize potential risks.

Federal regulators say that policy hasn't changed — and there is no crackdown.

"It's not a special effort other than our normal enforcement," said Lynn Hollinger, a spokeswoman for U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

People whose drugs are seized are not cited and generally are able to get them replaced free of charge by the foreign pharmacy. But many customers are infuriated.

"It's despicable," said Samuel Robert Greenberg, a Laguna Niguel retiree who lost a package of anti-cholesterol pills and glaucoma eyedrops late last month. "They are playing with people's lives."

Greenberg, 73, said he and his wife had bought drugs from Canadian pharmacies for years without incident.

But if replacements for his Lipitor pills don't arrive by next week, Greenberg said, he will have to buy from a local pharmacy at a cost of about $3 a pill — a third more than he pays through the mail.

Greenberg said such seizures were a waste of government resources. "Forget about the heroin," Greenberg said. "They are going to stop the Lipitor."

Although the FDA has never taken enforcement action against an individual for ordering prescription drugs from abroad, it has conducted a handful of what it calls "blitzes" over the last five years in cooperation with the Customs Service at international mail centers.

The FDA analyzed the drugs seized in those cases and publicized their findings in an effort to warn mail-order customers about the risks of getting the wrong medication, poor-quality substitutes or counterfeits.

Some Canadian pharmacy operators believe U.S. authorities timed the latest seizures to coincide with the Jan. 1 launch of Medicare's drug-discount program, which competes for the business of American seniors.

"I think, quite frankly, that [U.S. authorities] see an opportunity," said Britton of MinitDrugs. "They know that this would probably be the most vulnerable time for us."

Canadian pharmacies report declines of 10% to 30% in U.S. orders since the Medicare program began. But many seniors, particularly those whose drug needs are modest, find Canadian pharmacies are cheaper.

According to a Kaiser Family Foundation study published in 2004, 25% of eligible seniors — as many as 7.4 million people — could pay less buying drugs on their own. If too few seniors sign up for the Medicare drug plan, experts say, the program could run into financial trouble.

Most Canadian pharmacies accept the cost of replacing seized drugs to preserve an $800-million market that serves about 2 million U.S. customers. Over the last five years, less than 1% of all shipments have been seized, said Andy Troszok, president of the Canadian International Pharmacy Assn.

The association has not yet determined how much that rate has increased. But so far, he said, the seizures do not represent a serious threat.

"We are currently still chalking it up as the cost of doing business," said Troszok, who owns Extended Care Pharmacy in Calgary.

The pharmacies learn of the confiscations from customers who have received seizure notices. A customer also can use a tracking number to find out what happened.

A sudden, unannounced policy of increased enforcement — after years of looking the other way — would be irresponsible, Troszok said.

"It's an issue of patient safety," he said. "We're not talking about Viagra and narcotics abuse. We are talking about people with breast cancer, heart disease and diabetes and are established on medication. Who is going to be liable for these people going off medical regimens and suffering or even dying?"

Canadian pharmacies, which are able to purchase brand-name drugs at low wholesale prices negotiated with the purchasing power of the Canadian government, already had been adapting to increasing political and market pressure.

When major drug makers began curbing sales to Canadian pharmacies that shipped to the U.S., many began ordering in bulk from drug factories in Europe, India and Israel.

"The business just gets smarter and adapts," said Bill Pigden, business development manager for CanAmerica Global Health Services, a Winnipeg-based pharmacy.


So, who here would like to defend what the government is doing here? Let's be honest, the only reason this is illegal is because the U.S. drug companies are paying off (lobbying) certain people in the government.

Have there been any documentated cases of any U.S. citizens getting sick or dieing because of bad drugs purchased from Canada, who in turn purchases them from the same drug companies that are overcharging our citizens?

Am I totally clueless and naive about this whole thing? I don't think so.

Chris

VinVega
02-11-06, 09:46 AM
Looks like the war on drugs is finally paying dividends! :up:

BTW, on the OTHER border, US border troops were in a skirmish with either Mexican troops on the take or drug dealers armed to the teeth with military weapons and HUMVEEs. I'm glad we're diverting resources to the north to stop Grandma from getting her prescriptions at a cheaper price. :rolleyes:

classicman2
02-11-06, 09:50 AM
Another example of this administration and the Republicans looking out for the interest of the major drug companies, and to hell with the people who need less expensive prescription medicines.

al_bundy
02-11-06, 10:01 AM
so why are canadian pharmacies selling to US consumers instead of supplying the people in their socialist wonderland? Isn't that why Canadians pay high taxes for, cheap drugs?

classicman2
02-11-06, 10:06 AM
Canada is a socialist country? :hscratch:

bhk
02-11-06, 10:45 AM
I think that the customs agents time would be used more effectively by looking at the south border for illegal aliens rather than this.

I don't mind people importing prescription medications from other countries as long as they sign a waiver for the right to sue pharmaceutical industries if they are sold counterfeit medications.

grundle
02-11-06, 03:19 PM
I favor free trade.

What the U.S. government is doing here is wrong and stupid.

Ranger
02-11-06, 03:24 PM
Another example of this administration and the Republicans looking out for the interest of the major drug companies, and to hell with the people who need less expensive prescription medicines.

I favor free trade.

What the U.S. government is doing here is wrong and stupid.
Yep.

kvrdave
02-11-06, 03:58 PM
Old people are rich.

SeekOnce
02-11-06, 04:11 PM
so why are canadian pharmacies selling to US consumers instead of supplying the people in their socialist wonderland? Isn't that why Canadians pay high taxes for, cheap drugs?
You mean they can't do both?

:hscratch:

mrpayroll
02-11-06, 05:08 PM
Old people are rich.

Maybe in your neck of the woods!

Chris

Nutter
02-11-06, 05:24 PM
so why are canadian pharmacies selling to US consumers instead of supplying the people in their socialist wonderland? Isn't that why Canadians pay high taxes for, cheap drugs?

Pharmacies are privately run buisnesses. They may get their drugs at government regulated prices, but they're still out to make a profit and they'll do it in whatever way they see fit.

Personally, I think the drug companies are being screwed over by this whole affair. I really don't give a damn about their bottom line or their exec's yearly bonuses, but you know R&D is going to get cut long before either of those do. I've long viewed the drug industry with some suspicion... It does seem like one sector where the desire for profit does not always coincide with public interest. (e.g. Keeping prices on patented drugs jacked way up long after R&D costs have been recouped) However, are they actually losing money they need for R&D because of this, or are their execs just pocketing smaller profits?

Canadian pharmacies are using government negotiated prices to give better deals to foreign citizens, which I think undermines our governments bargaining position with drug companies. Providing cheap drugs to americans could easily blow back in Canadian tax-payers faces. For that reason, perhaps this practice should be made illegal on the Canadian side of the border. (It is not currently, AFAIK) I do sympathize with American seniors, especially those unlucky enough to have to pay for their drugs with no medical insurance, but maybe they should start lobbying the government themselves.

P.S. Once you factor in quality health-care insurance in the U.S., etc. Canadian taxes are *not* high. Our medical cost/services rendered ratio is actually quite a bit higher than in the U.S. too, albeit mostly because of lower litigation rates.

kvrdave
02-11-06, 05:40 PM
Maybe in your neck of the woods!

Chris

Just in general across the US. Seems like wealth by age groups is tops for 65-75 year olds, second place for 75 and older, third is 55-64, and it goes down that way.

So why is classicman going after trying to get additional benefits for the wealthiest Americans???? :grunt:

classicman2
02-11-06, 07:33 PM
Just in general across the US. Seems like wealth by age groups is tops for 65-75 year olds, second place for 75 and older, third is 55-64, and it goes down that way.

So why is classicman going after trying to get additional benefits for the wealthiest Americans???? :grunt:

Newsflash: Folks other than the elderly use/need prescription drugs.

I assume you're aware of that, aren't you?

classicman2
02-11-06, 07:34 PM
Personally, I think the drug companies are being screwed over by this whole affair. I really don't give a damn about their bottom line or their exec's yearly bonuses, but you know R&D is going to get cut long before either of those do.

Could they possibly cut their advertising since they spend more money on advertising than they do R&D?

kvrdave
02-11-06, 08:31 PM
Newsflash: Folks other than the elderly use/need prescription drugs.

I assume you're aware of that, aren't you?

Yeah, but the oldest (and those with the most wealth) use the most.

bwvanh114
02-11-06, 08:40 PM
Newsflash: Whenever people say, "Newsflash" they look like an ass.

classicman2
02-11-06, 09:05 PM
Yeah, but the oldest (and those with the most wealth) use the most.

So?

We shouldn't be concerned about the cost of prescription drugs? :hscratch:

The elderly consumer a greater share of the medical dollar than other age groups. Therefore, we I guess we shouldn't be concerned about the skyrocketing cost of medicare care.

A larger percentage of the elderly have some form of third-party medical payment than any other age group I would imagine. Does that mean that we shouldn't be concerned about age groups who are uninsured?

DVD Polizei
02-11-06, 09:29 PM
It's quite simple. Canadian drug companies are terrorists and they must be stopped. American lives are in jeopardy.

kvrdave
02-12-06, 12:58 AM
So?

We shouldn't be concerned about the cost of prescription drugs? :hscratch:

The elderly consumer a greater share of the medical dollar than other age groups. Therefore, we I guess we shouldn't be concerned about the skyrocketing cost of medicare care.

A larger percentage of the elderly have some form of third-party medical payment than any other age group I would imagine. Does that mean that we shouldn't be concerned about age groups who are uninsured?

I know you just want to protect the wealthiest group of Americans, and that's fine. I just happen to understand that your concern in mainly guided to keep the wealthiest group the wealthiest group. :)

DVD Polizei
02-12-06, 01:16 AM
Has anyone asked the Bush Administration how many prescription drugs have been seized from US-Mexico borders?

That's what I thought.

hahn
02-12-06, 02:07 AM
Has anyone asked the Bush Administration how many prescription drugs have been seized from US-Mexico borders?

That's what I thought.

I don't think marijuana and cocaine count as prescription drugs. But I get what you mean and fully agree with your point about the hypocrisy. Here we are wasting taxpayer dollars to protect the profits of the pharmaceutical companies. It's not like they're barely scraping by. And when was the last time someone died of a drug they imported in from Canada. Even Google can't find a story about that. From the warnings, one would think that Canadians are dropping dead left and right from fake unregulated meds.

I mean, REALLY. Who makes fake Lipitor?

bhk
02-12-06, 12:11 PM
I mean, REALLY. Who makes fake Lipitor?


http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2005/NEW01216.html

FDA Alerts U.S. Residents to Recall of Counterfeit "Lipitor" Sold in the United Kingdom
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is alerting U.S. residents to the recent recall of a batch of counterfeit "Lipitor" (atorvastatin) sold in the United Kingdom (U.K.). The medicine is used to treat high cholesterol. The counterfeit Lipitor 20mg tablets were recalled in the U.K. on July 28, 2005. Health authorities in the U.K. stated that initial results of tests performed on the counterfeit drugs do not indicate that this product poses an immediate risk to patients, however, they are advising that patients stop taking the drug and return it to the pharmacy where they obtained it. U.K. pharmacies are being advised to return all remaining stock of this batch to Pfizer Ltd., the manufacturer of Lipitor....

hahn
02-12-06, 02:32 PM
http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2005/NEW01216.html

It doesn't matter though. As long as the prices in the U.S. remain sky high and in other countries, is much lower, then the risk of counterfeiting will be considered low enough that people will take their chances. Some people will have no choice as the number of uninsured in this countries continues to increase.

bhk
02-12-06, 03:05 PM
It doesn't matter though. As long as the prices in the U.S. remain sky high and in other countries, is much lower, then the risk of counterfeiting will be considered low enough that people will take their chances. Some people will have no choice as the number of uninsured in this countries continues to increase.

No matter what the price of the medication is(unless it's something ridiculously low), there will be someone who will be able to make a profit from selling a counterfeit medication. It would be rediculously easy for someone in the EU or Canada who has connections in the 3rd world to set up a fake pill making operation in the 3rd world and drop ship the meds to the US. As long as they set up a real-looking website and undercut legitimate prices by 25-50%, they'll make real money.

eXcentris
02-12-06, 05:22 PM
No matter what the price of the medication is(unless it's something ridiculously low), there will be someone who will be able to make a profit from selling a counterfeit medication. It would be rediculously easy for someone in the EU or Canada who has connections in the 3rd world to set up a fake pill making operation in the 3rd world and drop ship the meds to the US. As long as they set up a real-looking website and undercut legitimate prices by 25-50%, they'll make real money.

It would be just as easy for someone in the US to setup such operations.

hahn
02-12-06, 07:31 PM
No matter what the price of the medication is(unless it's something ridiculously low), there will be someone who will be able to make a profit from selling a counterfeit medication. It would be rediculously easy for someone in the EU or Canada who has connections in the 3rd world to set up a fake pill making operation in the 3rd world and drop ship the meds to the US. As long as they set up a real-looking website and undercut legitimate prices by 25-50%, they'll make real money.

See eXcentris's post. I don't see how you can make an assumption that counterfeiters are less likely to be Americans than European or Canadian. Likewise, how do we know that there aren't just as many counterfeit drugs being made AND sold within the U.S.? Not all drugs are bought from pharmacies.

bhk
02-13-06, 10:55 AM
It would be just as easy for someone in the US to setup such operations.
Doing it from another country would act as a buffer if the drugs were seized.
I don't see how you can make an assumption that counterfeiters are less likely to be Americans than European or Canadian.
Just cheaper to set up and run 'factories' in the 3rd world. One reason why every counterfeit Louis Vuiton purse sold here is made in Asia.
Not all drugs are bought from pharmacies.

Are you talking about over-the-counter medications?

mrpayroll
03-01-06, 09:19 AM
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-seize1mar01,0,5726867.story?track=tothtml

Seized Drugs Being Released

Canadian pharmacies say the U.S. is delivering packages intercepted during a crackdown.

By Lisa Girion, Times Staff Writer
March 1, 2006


Amid mounting criticism of their crackdown on mail-order medications, customs officials have begun releasing hundreds of seized packages to consumers, Canadian pharmacies and U.S. lawmakers said Tuesday.

It was unclear whether the action signaled an end to the crackdown, which started in November when U.S. Customs and Border Protection quietly increased seizures of prescription drugs mailed from abroad.

After repeatedly denying that they had changed policies, customs officials this week acknowledged that the agency had stepped up enforcement of a federal law banning personal importation of pharmaceuticals.

Although it is illegal for individuals to import medications, federal authorities had generally allowed shipments from licensed Canadian pharmacies.

The seizures — as much as 5% of orders from American consumers, according to some Canadian pharmacies — sent thousands of mail-order buyers, most of them seniors living on fixed incomes, scrambling for drugs to control cholesterol, high blood pressure and diabetes.

Many of those consumers got another surprise in recent days as postal carriers began delivering hundreds of seized packages — some held for two months.

"The mailman showed up, and he had three manila envelopes from U.S. Customs," said Samuel Robert Greenberg, 73, of Laguna Niguel, who has publicly criticized the seizures.

The retired real estate broker's order of eyedrops and cholesterol medication had been seized in January. When it arrived Saturday, Greenberg told the mail carrier to send it back because he already had received free replacements from Calgary-based MinitDrugs.

Greenberg also feared that the eyedrops had gone bad — they require refrigeration after two weeks — and was disturbed that the order had obviously been opened and repackaged.

Customs spokeswoman Lynn Hollinger said Tuesday that she was unaware that seized packages had been sent on to customers, saying she could not explain the reports from pharmacists and consumers.

More than 30 customers called Winnipeg-based CanAmerica Global to report that they had received medications Tuesday that had been shipped in early January. At the same time, they received the free replacements the pharmacy had sent a month later.

"It's amazing how they are arriving on the same day," said Bill Pigden, CanAmerica's business development manager. "You can't tell me this is an accident."

Pigden said some packages had been opened, and CanAmerica was urging customers to return them for safety reasons.

Andy Troszok said his Calgary-based Extended Care Pharmacy had heard from about 100 customers whose orders had been seized, each saying their drugs had been delivered since Friday. Other pharmacies were reporting similar experiences, said Troszok, president of the Canadian International Pharmacy Assn.

"All of a sudden, we've seen a massive amount of shipments being released to our customers," he said. "Our phones are ringing off the hook with customers saying they are getting their packages."

Some U.S. lawmakers concerned with the issue also said they had heard from constituents who reported receiving seized packages.

The crackdown prompted seniors and members of Congress to demand explanations for why the government was not following a Food and Drug Administration policy that allows people to mail-order or carry across the border a 90-day supply of prescription drugs from licensed Canadian pharmacies.

"This unannounced policy of increased enforcement is irresponsible," Rep. Gil Gutknecht (R-Minn.) said Tuesday. "If federal agencies have decided to increase the seizure rate of imported prescription drugs, they need to explain why. The Americans whose health depends on these medications have a right to know."

Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) said in a floor speech Tuesday that he had received complaints from more than 100 constituents whose medications had been seized. And he wondered, as have other critics, whether the seizures were timed to discourage seniors from buying cheap drugs abroad as an alternative to the Bush administration's new Medicare drug program.

"I certainly hope there is no connection between this spike in prescription drug seizures and an effort to force seniors into the new Medicare prescription drug program," he said.

According to an e-mail from a customs official to Nelson, the seizure policy change occurred Nov. 17 — two days after enrollment in the drug program began.

Customs officials, however, denied any connection, saying in the e-mail to Nelson that the stricter enforcement was intended to "protect consumers from potentially dangerous drugs manufactured abroad. In no way are these procedures intended to force U.S. residents into participating in Medicare Part D."

On Tuesday, customs spokeswoman Hollinger said she did not know who ordered the increase in seizures and had no explanation for it, beyond a general goal of enforcing the law and promoting safety.

Nelson on Friday had called for the inspector general of the Department of Homeland Security, which includes customs, to investigate whether the agency was abiding by the FDA's policy of allowing the purchase of medications from Canada.

Olympia J. Snowe, a Republican senator from Maine, where consumers have long crossed the border to buy cheaper drugs, also is criticizing the crackdown. On Feb. 6, 11 members of Congress, including Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Huntington Beach) and eight other Republicans, wrote to the FDA to complain about the seizures.


:thumbsup:

Chris

Nutter
03-01-06, 08:49 PM
Welp, so much for that law.