Chino, CA cop tells suspect to stand up, then shoots him

[shaun3000]

I searched and didn't see this posted. If it's a dupe, please merge them.

Video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8770396702332615729&q=chino

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060131-0314-ca-airmanshooting.html
CHINO – Investigators with the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department were reviewing a deputy-involved shooting that seriously injured an Air Force security officer who had recently returned from Iraq.

Senior Airman Elio Carrion, 21, was shot by the deputy following a brief, high-speed chase that ended late Sunday when the car he was riding in crashed into a fence, authorities said. Carrion was taken to Arrowhead Regional Medical Center in Colton, where he was listed in good condition.

Officials with the sheriff's department released few details about the incident, even as reports surfaced of a homemade videotape capturing an unarmed Carrion telling the deputy he was in the military before being shot.

“As with all investigations, the circumstances involved in this shooting will be reviewed,” Sheriff Gary Penrod said in a statement Monday. “It would be inappropriate for me to make any additional comments until the investigation is completed.”

The incident began about 10 p.m. Sunday when a deputy saw the driver of a Corvette speeding at more than 100 mph through a residential area, authorities said.

The deputy tried to stop the driver, but when he did not pull over a short chase ensued. It ended when the car skidded and slammed into a block wall.

A Chino resident videotaping the incident captured images, described as poor in quality, showing Carrion sprawled on the ground and repeatedly telling the deputy he was unarmed and “I'm on your side,” according to KTLA-TV reporter Jaime Chambers, who viewed a copy of the tape.

The tape then shows Carrion getting up from the ground and the deputy firing three times, Chambers told the Los Angeles Times. (After the officer told him to get up!)

Sheriff's investigators have taken the original tape as evidence, declining to release it to the public or describe what it shows. The deputy, whose name has not been released, has been placed on routine paid administrative leave.

Carrion has not been charged with a crime, although the incident remains under investigation, according to sheriff's spokeswoman Robin Haynal. The driver, identified by authorities as 21-year-old Luis Fernando Escobedo, was arrested without incident at the scene on suspicion of felony evading and was taken to the West Valley Detention Center in Rancho Cucamonga.

Carrion's 19-year-old wife, Mariela, told the Los Angeles Times that when her husband came out of surgery Monday afternoon, he said, “They shot me for no reason.”

She said Carrion and Escobedo were at a party at the Montclair home of Carrion's parents when they left to go to the store. Carrion had been scheduled Wednesday to report back to his unit, the 2nd Security Forces Squadron, at Barksdale Air Force Base in Shreveport, La.

Air Force spokesman Lt. Frank Hartnett said Carrion worked as a security officer at the base. Carrion joined the Air Force in January 2003 and recently returned from a six-month tour in Iraq, Hartnett said.

[General Zod]

This is the case of a cop who just over-reacted to the stress of the situation. I do certainly think he screwed up and will be punished. I don't think jail time or anything like that is necessary, but I don't think he should be allowed to carry a weapon anymore. I don't think he's a danger to society or anything. Assign him to desk duty, let the person who got shot enjoy their new windfall of money they will eventually get from the Sheriff's Department and be done with it.

[Thor Simpson]

"Stand up" or "Shut up?"

[AGuyNamedMike]

It sounded to me like the officer said "don't GETup.", which is completely wrong. He should have been saying "Stay down." I agree with Zod as to the eventual outcome.

[Breakfast with Girls]

This guy should be elated. It's not every day that you win the lottery.

[General Zod]

Update..

Ex-deputy cleared in shooting caught on video

SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. - A former sheriff's deputy was acquitted of all charges Thursday in the shooting of an Iraq war veteran that was captured on videotape and broadcast worldwide, authorities said.

Ivory J. Webb, 46, was found not guilty of attempted manslaughter and assault with a firearm for opening fire on Air Force Senior Airman Elio Carrion, said Susan Mickey, a district attorney's spokeswoman.

Carrion was a passenger in a car that crashed while being chased by Webb. Carrion testified at a preliminary hearing that he had been drinking at a barbecue to celebrate his recent return from Iraq.

On the video, Carrion can be heard swearing at Webb before the deputy tells him to "get up! get up!" Carrion was then shot. Carrion was shot in the chest, left leg and left shoulder.

A resident recorded the shooting, and the grainy footage was aired worldwide.

[Tuan Jim]

Nothing in that article gives any reasonable indication as to why he was cleared -- if anything it makes him sound more guilty.

[DVD Polizei]

I'm sure a riot will ensue and true justice will prevail.

[The Bus]

I'm sure a riot will ensue and true justice will prevail.

You have that wrong. Police brutality = True justice.

[cpgator]

Nothing in that article gives any reasonable indication as to why he was cleared -- if anything it makes him sound more guilty.
This article reads that stress was used as the defense.

http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_6145556

[Goldblum]

I'm sure a riot will ensue and true justice will prevail.
:lol:

[Red Dog]

I don't think he should be allowed to carry a weapon anymore. I don't think he's a danger to society or anything.


Is that really the standard you go by for incarceration - whether you perceive someone is a danger to society? If someone finds his wife in bed with another man and shoots them both, do you believe that person should go free?

Anyhow, nice to see 12 jurors endorse the merging of judge, jury, and (almost) executioner into one government agent. -rolleyes-

[wendersfan]

Is that really the standard you go by for incarceration - whether you perceive someone is a danger to society?But he's a cop, so that means he gets special treatment.

[classicman2]

Is that really the standard you go by for incarceration - whether you perceive someone is a danger to society? If someone finds his wife in bed with another man and shoots them both, do you believe that person should go free?

Anyhow, nice to see 12 jurors endorse the merging of judge, jury, and (almost) executioner into one government agent. -rolleyes-

Hear! Hear!

[classicman2]

But he's a cop, so that means he gets special treatment.

If the victim had been an illegal alien, General Zod would want to give the cop a medal. :lol:

[CreamyGoodness]

Is that really the standard you go by for incarceration - whether you perceive someone is a danger to society? If someone finds his wife in bed with another man and shoots them both, do you believe that person should go free?

Anyhow, nice to see 12 jurors endorse the merging of judge, jury, and (almost) executioner into one government agent. -rolleyes-

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/9281/dreddex5.jpg

[General Zod]

Is that really the standard you go by for incarceration - whether you perceive someone is a danger to society? If someone finds his wife in bed with another man and shoots them both, do you believe that person should go free?

Hardly the same situation. This cop thought his life was in danger. You can't say the same about the example you gave.

I'll admit I'm not one of those that think that cops wake up in the morning with the plan to shoot someone that day.

If the victim had been an illegal alien, General Zod would want to give the cop a medal. :lol:

Now you know I would NOT be happy that we had to pay for the medical to patch him back up. :mad:

[Red Dog]

Hardly the same situation. This cop thought his life was in danger. You can't say the same about the example you gave.



Well that's what I was asking because you made it sound like someone who commits a serious crime but is not a threat to society should not go to prison. Now you're introducing a self-defense affirmative defense (not that I agree with that defense here - not at all) so yeah, that would change the situation.

I think the "no threat to society" part is a mitigating factor; rather than a get-out-of-jail-free card.

[TruGator]

Why did the cop have his gun out anyway? Seems like a taser would have been more appropriate.

So the cop got lucky and skated on criminal charges, but is there any word on whether the guy who got shot is suing the city or the police officer?

[General Zod]

Well that's what I was asking because you made it sound like someone who commits a serious crime but is not a threat to society should not go to prison. Now you're introducing a self-defense affirmative defense (not that I agree with that defense here - not at all) so yeah, that would change the situation.

I think the "no threat to society" part is a mitigating factor; rather than a get-out-of-jail-free card.
Had this cop shot the guy point blank for no reason I would agree completely that he should be locked up. I assumed, as I usually do when it comes to police, that there was more going on. Looks like the jury agreed.

So the cop got lucky and skated on criminal charges, but is there any word on whether the guy who got shot is suing the city or the police officer?
The family is planning to file civil rights violations and go after the cop that way.

[DVD Polizei]

You have that wrong. Police brutality = True justice.

No, I don't have it wrong. While you might be concentrating on just the video, there was actually a lot of events which happened prior. It's not like a car suddently appeared in front of a cop and then a guy with a video just so happened to be there to film the reverse rapture.

So, I'm still out on a firm conclusion, but from reading about the events prior, these guys were nuts, and just becaus one of them was a US soldier, doesn't make a difference to me. As a soldier, he should've took charge of a bad situation a long time before he got shot. If I had a friend do that shit in a car, I'd cold cock that motherfucker so many times, by the time we'd pullover, the cops would be trying to pull me off my friend.

[wildcatlh]

No, I don't have it wrong. While you might be concentrating on just the video, there was actually a lot of events which happened prior. It's not like a car suddently appeared in front of a cop and then a guy with a video just so happened to be there to film the reverse rapture.

So, I'm still out on a firm conclusion, but from reading about the events prior, these guys were nuts, and just becaus one of them was a US soldier, doesn't make a difference to me. As a soldier, he should've took charge of a bad situation a long time before he got shot. If I had a friend do that shit in a car, I'd cold cock that motherfucker so many times, by the time we'd pullover, the cops would be trying to pull me off my friend.

One has to ask whether it's really a good idea to do anything to a driver driving at 100 MPH. One would think that would increase, not decrease, your chance of serious consequences (like, I dunno, death), no?

[DVD Polizei]

I wouldn't have let the situation get to that point. Most of the time, you can tell if someone is going to punch it and run. I'd rather risk my chances beating the crap out of a dumbass friend and crashing safely on my own, than trying to explain to a cop why the car just hit a few pedestrians and splattered their flesh and blood all over an intersection. Obviously, your mileage will vary on situations like this, but I will say, it's best to take control immediately of a person if they run from a cop. Immediately. Don't hesitate. Tell your dumbass friend to pullover NOW and if he/she doesn't, coldcock the motherfucker and takeover the steering.

[Red Dog]

Tell your dumbass friend to pullover NOW and if he/she doesn't, coldcock the motherfucker and takeover the steering.


Makes for a good movie.

I agree with wildcat. Although perhaps being in a fight in a car going 100 mph just might be safer than being unarmed on the ground vs a cop with a gun. This jury just sent a message that the cop really has nothing to lose no matter what he does.