WWE Week of 1/30-2/5: Edge/Cena Rematch, Return of Undertaker, Rey is #1 Contender

[GuessWho]

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/touts/splash/images/2043570




And a repost from the tail of the last thread:


Edge was not a "transitional" champion.

He doesn't even fit the definition.

A transitional champion is a short timer who holds the belt inbetween two faces or two heels (since two faces wouldn't face each other and two heels wouldn't face each other).

Example:
Needed to get the belt from Backlund to Hogan.
Both were good guys and wouldn't fight each other.
Enter the Iron Shiek... a transition between the two.

[Timber]

I say it was a mistake taking the belt off of Edge. The only reason I watched Raw these past couple of weeks was for Edge. He's got a natural charisma that Cena just doesn't have.

[Nesbit]

Official WWE Raw Preview for 1/30/05:

Hot on the heels of the Royal Rumble, “The Champ” is back as RAW rolls into Orlando, Florida, tonight.

Last night, John Cena defeated Edge at the Royal Rumble to once again become WWE Champion. After the match, Edge was irate when Todd Grisham asked him about becoming the “transitional champion” he said he wouldn’t be. Edge will have his chance to redeem himself tonight on RAW as he take on The Champ in a Royal Rumble rematch for the WWE Championship. Can Edge bounce back from a disappointing Royal Rumble?

The World Tag Team Champions, Big Show and Kane, teamed up momentarily during the Royal Rumble last night, but then focused their attentions on each other, allowing Triple H to eliminate them both. Tonight they will team up to defend the gold against Carlito and Chris Masters. Carlito got the best of Masters at New Year's Revolution in the Elimination Chamber and did the same last night at the Rumble. The two will have to patch things up if they want to become World Tag Team Champions.

Also last night, Triple H nearly went the distance, being the second-to-last man eliminated from the Royal Rumble Match after drawing No. 1. Will the Game have anything to say about his performance?

Plus, Gregory Helms shocked everyone by entering the Open Invitational Match at the Royal Rumble, outlasting five SmackDown Superstars to become the new Cruiserweight Champion. What’s next for the former superhero now that he has brought the gold to RAW?
Find out the answers to these questions and more tonight at 9/8 CT on the USA Network.

[Al Padrino]

He wasn't a transitional champion, but he was a lame duck champ.

I haven't found Edge entertaining since he days with Christian. He's been god-awful on the mic without someone like Christian to work off of.

[GuessWho]

From onlineonslaught.com


Length of time in Rumble
1. Rey Mysterio 62.15
2. Triple H 60.15
3. Carlito 38.30
4. Chris Benoit 30.36
5. Joey Mercury 29.15
6. Rob Van Dam 25.52
7. Johnny Nitro 25.43
8. Matt Hardy 17.43
9. Eugene 16.24
10. Orlando Jordan 16.08
11. Tatanka 14.09
12. Trevor Murdoch 13.41
13. Randy Orton 13.04
14. Shawn Michaels 12.56
15. Big Show 9.03
16. Super Crazy 7.43
17. Chris Masters 7.01
18. Shelton Benjamin 6.52
19. Viscera 5.28
20. Lashley 4.16
21. Kane 3.33
22. Goldust 3.09
23. Animal 2.50
24. Ric Flair 1.20
25. Psicosis 1.15
26. Chavo Guererro 1.00
27. Simon Dean 0.46
28. The Coach 0.32
29. Sylvain 0.18
30. Booker T 0.17


Number of eliminations
5½
Triple H
4½
Rey Mysterio
4
Shawn Michaels
3
Rob Van Dam
2
Randy Orton
Chris Benoit
1½
Carlito
Big Show
1
Lashley
Viscera
Shane McMahon
½
Joey Mercury
Johnny Nitro
Kane
Chris Masters

Double Eliminations
HHH (Kane & Big Show)

Double Team Eliminations
Joey Mercury & Johnny Nitro (Tatanka)
Carlito & Chris Masters (Viscera)
Rey Mysterio & Triple H (Simon Dean)
Kane & Big Show (Lashley)

Match Length: 62:15
Length of match after entry #30: 13.04
Length of time Winner was in match: 62:15

Longest time in match: 62:15 – Rey Mysterio
Shortest time in match: 0:17 – Booker T

Final Four: Rob Van Dam, Triple H, Randy Orton, Rey Mysterio
Time from Final Four to end of match: 3.03

Least amount of time between eliminations:
0.04 Joey Mercury 52.35 & Johnny Nitro 52.39

Most amount of time between eliminations:
12.40 Booker T 21.48 & Animal 34.28

Eliminations by Raw competitors: 16
Eliminations by Smackdown competitors: 12
Eliminations by competitors with no brand: 1

Least amount of time in Rumble with an elimination: Kane (3.33)*
Most amount of time in Rumble with no eliminations: Matt Hardy (14.43)
* Technically, Shane McMahon was not entered in the rumble at all so could claim this award.

[nodeerforamonth]

I say it was a mistake taking the belt off of Edge. The only reason I watched Raw these past couple of weeks was for Edge.

Alot of people felt the same way. Ratings were up for the past 2 weeks.

yeah, it was a big mistake taking the belt off Edge (as much as I hate him for what he & Lita did to Hardy). Cena can't wrestle. Edge can.

Was that a crappy Rumble PPV or what? The only good thing was that Rey won.

[Al Padrino]

I don't think you can cite a spike in ratings for TWO weeks as being justification for keeping the title on Edge. It was a mistake to abort the Cena reign (even though I'm no fan of the guy) and it seems they were just covering up said mistake sooner than later. Right now, I don't find Edge to be any more over in his role than Cena is in his.

[Timber]

I don't think you can cite a spike in ratings for TWO weeks as being justification for keeping the title on Edge. It was a mistake to abort the Cena reign (even though I'm no fan of the guy) and it seems they were just covering up said mistake sooner than later. Right now, I don't find Edge to be any more over in his role than Cena is in his.

Edge is completely over in his role. He generates heat like no onw else sand HHH. What exactly is Cena? He's supposed to be a face but his crowd support is pretty pathetic.

[Nesbit]

I don't think you can cite a spike in ratings for TWO weeks as being justification for keeping the title on Edge. It was a mistake to abort the Cena reign (even though I'm no fan of the guy) and it seems they were just covering up said mistake sooner than later. Right now, I don't find Edge to be any more over in his role than Cena is in his.

How was the Edge title win a mistake? Cena wasn't over with the majority of fans and the booking was logical for a change. I haven't like Edge since the E&C days but I was entertained by his title reign. Cena? Eh

[dadaluholla]

Well looking at that Wrestlemania commercial I'd say yeah, its going to be Cena/HHH and Angle/Orton in the championship matches.
:(
yay.

[Rogue588]

yeah, it was a big mistake taking the belt off Edge (as much as I hate him for what he & Lita did to Hardy). Cena can't wrestle. Edge can.True, but isn't Edge injured?

[Rockmjd23]

What a bizarre end to Raw tonight. Seems like someone screwed up.

[Qui Gon Jim]

Stupid that they punked out and took the strap off of Edge. Cena has about 60% vocal approval, 30 apathy and 10 VERY vocal disapproval. Having a face challenger chase a heel champ is money. See Flair, circa 1987. Ridiculous booking. The crowd was so ready to pop for the title change just like the near pop for Carlito and Masters. Why keep the belts on Show/Kane? Bah. At least it looks like Benamin will regain his title at WM22. AND we got to see the sweet Maria twice tonight.

[MovieExchange]

What a bizarre end to Raw tonight. Seems like someone screwed up.

I think it's Lawler that screwed up. Most announcers have the format for the show in front of them and know everything that's going to happen. Lawler doesn't want that, though. He feels that his announcing is more genuine when he's just as surprised as the audience is. Unfortunately that leads to incidents like last night where he's raving like an idiot, while Coach and Styles have no idea what to say to correct him.

[GuessWho]

Some people have WAY too much money
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[Al Padrino]

Edge is completely over in his role. He generates heat like no onw else sand HHH. What exactly is Cena? He's supposed to be a face but his crowd support is pretty pathetic.

No he isn't. Everytime I've seen him come out, he's been greeted by indifferent crowds. I don't care what others say; his "intensity" doesn't make for good promos, either. They seem to forced and just make me embarrassed to admit I'm a fan.

How was the Edge title win a mistake? Cena wasn't over with the majority of fans and the booking was logical for a change. I haven't like Edge since the E&C days but I was entertained by his title reign. Cena? Eh

I don't like Cena, but how much of his shaky reign has been caused by the feuds he's been in? Jericho and Angle came off like the faces in their programs with Cena. Great faces are typically helped by great heels.

Austin was crazy over in '98, but I don't think it would've reached the levels it did had there not been the fresh, Mr. McMahon character in the picture.

[MovieExchange]

I don't like Cena, but how much of his shaky reign has been caused by the feuds he's been in? Jericho and Angle came off like the faces in their programs with Cena. Great faces are typically helped by great heels.


And why did Jericho and Angle come off as faces? Because the crowd likes them more than they do Cena. You're confirming what was said - the people don't like him.

Cena is a weak champion and will always be viewed as such by anyone paying attention. Both of his title wins have come in the same manner - play the bitch through the entire match, come back at the end and win with a couple offensive moves.

[Timber]

And why did Jericho and Angle come off as faces? Because the crowd likes them more than they do Cena. You're confirming what was said - the people don't like him.

Cena is a weak champion and will always be viewed as such by anyone paying attention. Both of his title wins have come in the same manner - play the bitch through the entire match, come back at the end and win with a couple offensive moves.


Exactly. Being a face Champion is hard. The crowd actually has to care about you. People don't care about Cena. Look no further then Kurt Angle to see how pathetic Cena is. They went to such great length to get the crowd to hate Angle but no matter what he said they still cheered for him. Cena just doesn't have it yet. He needs a good heel run to make the crowd feel something for him.

[Al Padrino]

The way the angles were booked made Angle and Jericho seem like the faces.

[Nesbit]

Please explain how Angle and Jericho were booked to look like faces. I think you are 100% wrong.

The only reason Cena was over was because he had cleaver, sometime amusing, dirty raps. They took that away the dirty raps when he became a face and Surprise! Surprise! no one cared for him

[GuessWho]

Smart move by Lita,

Vanilla Ice Lite was about to give Edge the FU and score a clean win. This clean win would've ended any rematch clauses and dropped Edge down the contenders list.

By hitting Edge, Edge ended up winning the match. And since having a victory over the champ can gain #1 contender status, Lita ensured Edge will have another shot.


Peronally, I see this feud settled at SNME and the winner facing HHH at Wreslemania.

[MovieExchange]

The way the angles were booked made Angle and Jericho seem like the faces.

Ummm... Angle beat up a woman, took a hated Arab as his manager and insulted our troops. How, in the name of sanity, does that make him booked as a face?

[Lunatikk]

Some people have WAY too much money
http://auction.wwe.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=65937746&prmenbr=37460399&aunbr=66284456#1

Definitely

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[Al Padrino]

Ummm... Angle beat up a woman, took a hated Arab as his manager and insulted our troops. How, in the name of sanity, does that make him booked as a face?
I misspoke. They weren't booked like that, but Angle was more concerned with putting himself over in the matches. Cena's a limited wrestler, which means that his opponent is going to need to come down to his level to have a good/great match. Angle didn't do that. He was doing stuff that was way over Cena's head, and thus, Angle came out looking like the star, while Cena just looked like a putz.

If Kurt had been more concerned about doing what was best for the feud and matches, he would've made adjustments, instead of going out there and doing his usual spot-monkey style of match.

As an aside, I just read the SD! spoilers and if they're true, this company's hit a new all-time low (RE: Orton's promo).

[Rogue588]

As an aside, I just read the SD! spoilers and if they're true, this company's hit a new all-time low (RE: Orton's promo).-ohbfrank- Boy, that Vinny... -ohbfrank-

[GuessWho]

WWE trademarked the name "Armando Alejandro Estrada" last week. OVW wrestler Osama Rodrigues Alejandro will be using that name when he eventually gets called up to the main WWE roster. His gimmick will be loosely based on Fidel Castro as he will have a Latin American dictator character.



PLEASE have him on Smackdown so I won't see him

[Nesbit]

I would hardly call Kurt Angle's style "Spot Monkey". He does have some impresive spots from time to time however he always manages to tell a story when he is in the ring. I agree that he was doing stuff that was over Cena's head but unless they plan to book a Cena/Snitsky program that lasts for the rest of Cena's career he will have to either deal with it or learn some more moves.

You shouldn't be asking your roster to dumb down the way they wrestle because your champion knows 5 or 6 moves. Look at Austin after the neck injury. He didn't have a lot of moves that he used regularly but he was able to have great matches with Benoit, Angle, etc. and you didn't have the crowd turning on him. Sorry Al but I think you are completely wrong about Cena and why the crowd has turned on him.

[GuessWho]

As an aside, I just read the SD! spoilers and if they're true, this company's hit a new all-time low (RE: Orton's promo).

JBL's promo looks good though... and speaks some truth
JBL comes out and restates the fact that he is a wrestling god. He belongs in a ring, not a cage, and not with a crazy man. He shoots on all the gimmicky wrestlers back in the locker room and says that he's above all of them because a gimmick only gets you so far.

[starseed1981]

The should've let Edge keep the belt, I don't like the fact that Marky Mark is the champion. With that said, I'm really at a loss as to whom will be in the Wrestlemania main event on the Raw side. I mean, I loved it when Wrestlemania really put a new guy over as champion / main eventer. It would be really awesome if it was RVD IMO.

[MovieExchange]

I misspoke. They weren't booked like that, but Angle was more concerned with putting himself over in the matches. Cena's a limited wrestler, which means that his opponent is going to need to come down to his level to have a good/great match. Angle didn't do that. He was doing stuff that was way over Cena's head, and thus, Angle came out looking like the star, while Cena just looked like a putz.

Sorry, I just can't buy into that. Angle's not selfish. He believes in going out and doing the best that he possibly can. If Cena can't keep up with him, then it's a message to WWE management that Cena shouldn't be in that spot yet. Hogan was / is a limited wrestler, but he was still able to use what he had to put on a match that entertained most fans. For Angle to wrestle down to Cena's level would mean that you'd get a horrible match.


As an aside, I just read the SD! spoilers and if they're true, this company's hit a new all-time low (RE: Orton's promo).

Oh man, I know. I cringed when I read that one. I thought things couldn't get any worse than Katie Vick.

[Al Padrino]

I would hardly call Kurt Angle's style "Spot Monkey". He does have some impresive spots from time to time however he always manages to tell a story when he is in the ring. I agree that he was doing stuff that was over Cena's head but unless they plan to book a Cena/Snitsky program that lasts for the rest of Cena's career he will have to either deal with it or learn some more moves.

Maybe not a spot monkey in the Sabu sense, but he's one of the more overrated wrestlers I've seen in the last 10 or 15 years. He can create some exciting matches and he really looked poised to become a real legend-in-the-making a couple years ago. But he's shown no growth in the ring. Just because a guy can pull off a ton of moves doesn't necessarily make him a great wrestler. The last couple of years have seen most Angle matches include a ton of moves that are dazzling, but don't usually fit within the context of the match. What's the point of seven different sorts of suplexes if it doesn't lead to anything?

Sorry, I just can't buy into that. Angle's not selfish. He believes in going out and doing the best that he possibly can. If Cena can't keep up with him, then it's a message to WWE management that Cena shouldn't be in that spot yet. Hogan was / is a limited wrestler, but he was still able to use what he had to put on a match that entertained most fans. For Angle to wrestle down to Cena's level would mean that you'd get a horrible match.

I don't usually defend Cena. I think he's a mediocre wrestler with a gimmick that I didn't think could ever be taken seriously on a higher level. That's still the case. But Angle going out there and wrestling circles around Cena doesn't do anything but put Kurt Angle over. Going down to Cena's level doesn't mean it'd be a bad match. Playing to a wrestler's strengths and covering up his weaknesses is what makes someone a consistently great wrestler.

Kurt Angle went out there and did the same type of match he's been doing for years. He exposed Cena's weaknesses. A great and unselfish wrestler wouldn't have the viewer thinking, "wow, he's not that good." That's bush league. Ric Flair is a perfect example of an unselfish wrestler who went out there and made the other guy look like a million bucks just about everytime out. He got decent matches out of El Gigante, for crying out loud.

I was a Kurt Angle fan. He's had some entertaining matches. But his all-around ability is overrated by most fans, most being those who don't care about the story within a match. This isn't a defense of Cena's abilities, but rather, Kurt's inability, or perhaps, unwillingness, to work around them.

[GuessWho]

What's the point of seven different sorts of suplexes

Ummm.... to hurt your opponent so you can pin him?

[Al Padrino]

That stuff rarely seems to figure in the climax or finish of the match. It's a nice visual sequence of events, but ulimately, it doesn't lead anywhere.

[Nesbit]

It tires his opponent out which is something that wrestlers like John Cena don't seem to have the ability to understand. You need set up moves that work on a body part if you want a finish to work well. One of Angle's finishing maneuvers is a suplex for crying out loud.

Angle is NOT over rated. He is, IMO, one of the 10 greatest wrestlers in WWE history. He also brought the best out of John Cena at No Way Out last year. His matches with Cena recently were decent which is more than I can say for most of Cena's bouts. Cena gets booed no matter who he is facing. Angle did nothing wrong in his feud with Cena.

[dadaluholla]

Seriously, Kurt Angle can do no wrong in my eyes. He's an olympic freaking hero.
:)

[Nesbit]

He won an olympic medal with a broken fricken neck! That's the ultimate thing you can do!

[Curse_7781]

A wrestler's movelist is another thing that appeals to fans and would want them to cheer for you if you were a wrestler. It gives the wrestler respect in the eyes of fans that this guy knows how to tire his opponent out. Face-wise or Heel-wise (if he can't tire him out, he will cheat).

If a wrestler doesn't have a vast knowledge of moves, they won't cheer for you period. The reason Austin got cheered even though he didn't wrestle alot was because he was a veteran (worked hard in WCW, ECW, then WWF/WWE). Plus the gimmick he chose helped alot too. Rock was shitty wrestling-wise but the gimmick worked for him regradless as he did have the chops to pull it off.

Cena on the other hand, can't pull it off. Wrestling-wise, he sucks (no ways around it). Fine, even if he can't wrestle he's gotta have a convincing gimmick. The sad part is this....His Gimmick: In my eyes, he looks like a Vanilla-Ice wannabe with a spinning belt. Gimme a break! Whose trying to hard to be liked (as fans will probably agree as well judging from the boos). Heck the only cheers he will get is from women (who will oogle at anything) and kids (who are just going with the program). The problem is that Vince thinks he smells money with this (wrong idea) but ultimately he is surrounded by "yes" men.

[dadaluholla]

He won an olympic medal with a broken fricken neck! That's the ultimate thing you can do!

Oh it's true. IT'S DAMN TRUE.
;)

[GuessWho]

I think they're keeping Cena face until they release his movie The Marine (prob straight to DVD). If he's a heel wrestler portraying a hero character, the sales will hurt.

[GuessWho]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/events/1996/olympics/daily/aug1/images/wrest2.jpg
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/events/1996/olympics/daily/aug1/wrest.html

[Al Padrino]

I can see it's futile to argue against Angle, since like one guy said, he can do no wrong in your eyes. I'm sure this whole thing has made me long entirely pro-Cena and anti-Angle. Not the case. Kurt's provided some great matches and promos in the past, which I noted earlier. I just think he's got limitations that his apologists love to gloss over and inevitably counter with something like "he won the Olympics with a broken neck!"

If a wrestler doesn't have a vast knowledge of moves, they won't cheer for you period.

I'll eagerly disagree. Chances for success are increased when your moveset is more in-depth, but don't act like lots of moves = fans love you. Hulk Hogan is one of the most limited wrestlers of our time and yet, he's one of the most entertaining. Demolition, arguably one of the most dominating and popular tag teams of the late '80s was dreadfully limited in the ring. The Ultimate Warrior was equally bad, but thanks to his gimmick, the fans stuck with him for the majority of his WWF run.

Austin was a great wrestler in WCW, but his neck injury at the hands of Owen Hart limited him greatly. He was still capable of working quality matches and I'd say that until his injury in late 1999, he was still bankable for a good/great match.

The problem is that Vince thinks he smells money with this (wrong idea) but ultimately he is surrounded by "yes" men.

He's one of their top merchandise draws. I won't argue on the ratings front, but outside of Mysterio, I believe he's next in line (or close to it) in terms of merch sales.

You need set up moves that work on a body part if you want a finish to work well.

That's my point. What's the point in working say, the left leg, for 15 minutes and then it plays absolutely no part in the finish?

Angle is NOT over rated.

Please. I've seen many claim he's one of the best wrestlers in the WORLD. That just shows 1) a lack of knowledge on what makes a truly great all-around wrestler and/or 2) a limited exposure to wrestling. I don't claim to be a puro guru or anything, but there are guys in other countries who put Kurt to shame.

He is, IMO, one of the 10 greatest wrestlers in WWE history.

Out of curiosity, how long does your WWF/E experience go back? Straight-forward question.

All in all, I think Cena's gimmick is stale. It was entertaining three years ago, but never did I think it'd translate to a main eventer with credibility. His merch has sold big, but I wasn't entirely sold on him with the strap. But at the same time, they'd invested too much time on him to just hot potato the belt over to someone like Edge.

[GuessWho]

but there are guys in other countries who put Kurt to shame.
http://slam.canoe.ca/WrestlingImagesS/summerslam2000_kurtangle.jpg
But they didn't get to makeout with Steph when she was still cute :lol:

[Al Padrino]

You know, to this day, that's still one of those programs where you wonder what might have been had backstage politics hadn't played a role. Up until the copout finish, that was an entertaining program throughout the summer.

[Qui Gon Jim]

There is a good percentage of people who think "wiggers" are ridiculous. I am sure this segment of people dislike Cena for this reason. Of course his lack of talent is another huge factor too.

[MovieExchange]

Al... it's fun talking to you, but man, you're taking comments made in jest way too seriously.

[Tarantino]

If Cena wants to be popular, he needs a good finisher. Not a fireman's carry.

= J

[Nesbit]

Out of curiosity, how long does your WWF/E experience go back? Straight-forward question.

I've been watching since 1988 or so. At that point I watched all available WWF tapes which I would say dated back to the mid-70's but honestly I would say my knowledge only really goes back to '84 or so.

[Lunatikk]

There is a good percentage of people who think "wiggers" are ridiculous.

rotfl

Yeah, I'd say that percentage is very close to 100%

[Qui Gon Jim]

rotfl

Yeah, I'd say that percentage is very close to 100%
I definitely find myself in that category.

No offense to wiggers everywhere of course.

[Nesbit]

I wouldn't consider someone like John Cena or Eminem wiggers though. Being a white rapper does not make you a wigger in my eyes. For an example of a wigger see Can't Hardly Wait.

[Qui Gon Jim]

Cena is a wigger. I would say that Em is one guy who was able to rise above that label. Not Cena though.

[Nesbit]

What is the difference? To me a wigger is someone who wants to be black. I don't think that Cena falls into that category. He has the exact same attitude as many people I grew up with outside of Boston (some who were into rap and some who were not). I don't think being a rapper = being a wigger. Don't know if that is what you are trying to say though.

[Lunatikk]

A Wigger (or Wigga) is a stereotype of a Caucasian person who dresses, speaks, or otherwise behaves in a manner that is stereotypically associated with certain aspects of African-American or Caribbean culture.

For example, a wigger might speak in ebonics, or closely follow hip hop fashion. The term is a portmanteau combining the words "white" and "******", or "wannabe" and "******", and is associated with cultural appropriation, like "nigga". The term wigger is generally considered pejorative, and need not apply to all white people involved in African-American culture.

[Nesbit]

Well I wear pretty baggy pants and I like rap music (not my first choice but I do listen to it quite a bit) so I guess I'm a wigger. Lame.

[Al Padrino]

I'd just like to point out how offensive the term "wigger" is to a lot of people. I know it's what has become a common term to describe someone who "acts black," but considering what the word is based on, people use it too freely.

[Lunatikk]

I'd just like to point out how offensive the term "wigger" is to a lot of people. I know it's what has become a common term to describe someone who "acts black," but considering what the word is based on, people use it too freely.


Apparently it is not offensive enough. ****** gets censored on these forums but wigger does not. :shrug:

[Nesbit]

I'd just like to point out how offensive the term "wigger" is to a lot of people. I know it's what has become a common term to describe someone who "acts black," but considering what the word is based on, people use it too freely.

You're right. People shouldn't be using the term freely. I on the other hand have the right to use it as much as I'd like as I just found out that I am one.

[dadaluholla]

I am a white guy and I have released some indy rap albums, but I have never mentioned things like "thuganomics" in my songs and I don't have any belts that having spinning beltbuckles. So Cena is bordering on wigger. Perhaps simply wigging out.
:)

[Lunatikk]

I don't have any belts that having spinning beltbuckles.


Well that's a little odd.

[dadaluholla]

Well that's a little odd.

Word life.
:)

[boredsilly]

I just read the spoilers for Smackdown and I think whomever is responsible for that should be bitch slapped. So cheap.

Re Angle: I think he is the most complete wrestler to work for the WWE since Shawn Micheals. You have wrestlers with great charisma (your Hogans, SCSA's, Rocks) and then those technical monsters (Benoit, Hart, Shelton), but Angle has fused those two aspects of being a wrestler together perfectly. Only really Eddie was close in being as great a wrestler and talker. Hunter was on his way there, but he seems to need to be motivated to have a 5 star matches now (though I think he's as capable as Flair when he wants to be).

[Al Padrino]

Hunter was on his way there, but he seems to need to be motivated to have a 5 star matches now (though I think he's as capable as Flair when he wants to be).

I'm not sure I'd go that far. If he's with the right wrestler, he can have a good match, but he doesn't lead the way in any of them. We've seen the results when it's been Hunter who's been responsible for carrying the other guy. His promos are also painfully dull and repetitive. I give him credit for being such a student of the business, but he's lacking in and out of the ring.

[nodeerforamonth]

wigger is racist. Wigg-A is not.

[GuessWho]

Raw's going to have a tournament to decide who gets WM22 title shot.

[dadaluholla]

A tournament eh? I love tournaments. If only they would bring back the King of the Ring.
:)

[Nesbit]

In an updated RAW preview, WWE confirmed a tournament to determine the number one contender for the WWE Heavyweight Championship.

"A tournament will be held to determine the No. 1 contender for the WWE Championship, and it will begin Monday night on RAW. The opening round of The Road to WrestleMania Tournament, which will feature four matches, will be completed by the time RAW goes off the air," the website said.

The bracket is as follows:

Rob Van Dam vs. Carlito
Kane vs. Chris Masters

Ric Flair vs. Triple H
Shawn Michaels vs. Big Show

[Lunatikk]

cool, we get to see Triple H win another tournament

[Nesbit]

I don't think he has won a tournament in quite some time ... He will win this one though. I'm guessing the semi finals will be RVD vs Chris Masters and Triple H vs Big Show leading to a RVD vs Triple H finale.

[dadaluholla]

WTF? Is this just one bracket or is this the whole tournament? I really don't consider 4 matches much of a tourny...but I guess they don't have all that many credible title contenders do they?

The whole Cena/Edge program should have resulted in the belt being vacated and then have the whole championship tournament on WM22 (for a new non-spinner belt). But that would mean someone would have to wrestle more than once in one night and that is crazy talk i suppose.

[fujishig]

I asked this question a while ago, but I don't think I got an answer... does Carlito even have a "finisher?" Does he just not get to hit it since he rarely wins cleanly?

[Lunatikk]

I asked this question a while ago, but I don't think I got an answer... does Carlito even have a "finisher?" Does he just not get to hit it since he rarely wins cleanly?

He uses the Cool Cutter

[dadaluholla]

He uses the Cool Cutter

What does that involve exactly? Spitting apple on someone? That usually takes the fight right out of a man.

[Lunatikk]

What does that involve exactly? Spitting apple on someone? That usually takes the fight right out of a man.

:lol:

Cool Cutter= Inverted facelock rolled in to a three-quarter facelock bulldog, also known as a rolling cutter

He has also used "Apple of my Eye" (overdrive) and "Carlito's Way" (DDT) as finishers.

[fujishig]

Ah... so when's the last time he's hit this, as I honestly can't remember. I slightly remember a DDT, but that's it. When he was fueding with Cena, I seem to remember using the chain being his move, and then when he won the belt from Benjamin, he hardly defended it.

[raven56706]

I want Edge as champion again... The Rated R Superstar is A plus in my book

[Lunatikk]

yeah... why isn't Edge in that tournament? or is there another rematch planned for him and Cena?

[Al Padrino]

As if it matters, anyway. This is all a lot of busy work to get to the conclusion we already know we're going to get.

[GuessWho]

From Mick Foley's blog:

Okay, I hate to end “Foley is BLOG” on a down note, but after watching the Royal Rumble on Sunday, I couldn’t help but feel that I’d been witness to the beginning of the decline of Edge’s career. I give him all the credit in the world for climbing the mountaintop — a feat many never envisioned for him — and one he accomplished through hard work and a history of great matches. But I’m not sure if Edge will ever make it to the top again. And that’s sad. For in my opinion, Edge didn’t fall off that mountaintop; he was pushed.

[Rockmjd23]

Wow Orton's comment was purely tasteless. Rey doesn't need to have his opponents bashing Eddie for him to get over. He's wayyyyyy over and at this point it is just pathetic.
Damn, I thought they axed the Juniors division....

[NORML54601]

I forgot to record Smackdown tonight and after reading a review I'm glad I did. All Eddie all the time is getting old and Orton's comments were in horrible taste. I wonder how long it'll be before there's a kidnap angle between Orton & Dominic & Mysterio.

[edytwinky]

I'm pretty sure Rey wouldn't do all this Eddie stuff if he thought it was in bad taste but you can only do it for so long. This has been dragging on for a while and it may be time to put Eddie's name to rest and stop using him in angles.

[Nesbit]

If Rey doesn't think it is in bad taste he might be the only one.