Monday, Jan. 30
Louisville at Villanova, ESPN, 7 HD
Florida A&M at Ohio State, ESPNU, 8
Texas Tech at Kansas, ESPN2, 9 HD
Hawaii at Utah State, ESPN2, midnight
Tuesday, Jan. 31
Illinois at Wisconsin, ESPN, 7 HD
Florida at Mississippi, ESPN2, 8 HD
Northern Iowa at Creighton, ESPNU, 9
Wednesday, Feb. 1
Notre Dame at West Virginia, ESPN, 7 HD
Iowa at Purdue, ESPN2, 7
Northwestern at Indiana, ESPNU, 8
Texas-El Paso at Houston, CSTV, 8 (also shown on INHD in HD)
Duke at Boston College, ESPN, 9 HD
Texas at Missouri, ESPN2, 9 HD
Thursday, Feb. 2
North Carolina at Maryland, ESPN, 7 HD
George Washington at Xavier, ESPN2, 7 HD
Clark Atlanta at Morehouse (Ga.), ESPNU, 7
Tennessee Tech at Tennessee-Martin, ESPNU, 9
Friday, Feb. 3
Rider at Fairfield, ESPNU, 7
Delaware State at South Carolina State, ESPNU, 9
Saturday, Feb. 4
Notre Dame at Louisville, ESPN, noon HD
Southern Illinois at Wichita State, ESPN2, noon
Connecticut at Indiana, CBS, 1
Missouri at Texas Tech, ESPNU, 1:30
Texas A&M at Texas, ESPN, 2 HD
Dayton at Charlotte, ESPN2, 2
UAB at Central Florida, CSTV, 3 (also shown on INHD in HD)
Detroit at Illinois-Chicago, ESPN2, 4
Oklahoma State at Kansas State, ESPNU, 4
Utah at New Mexico, ESPN2, 6
Arizona at UCLA, FSN, 4
Kentucky at Florida, ESPN2, 9 HD
Sunday, Feb. 5
Oklahoma at Kansas, CBS regional, 1 HD
Navy at Army, CBS regional, 1
Loyola (Md.) at Manhattan, ESPNU, noon
Colorado at Iowa State, ESPNU, 2
Maryland at N.C. State, FSN, 2
Red Dog
01-30-06, 12:35 PM
Full Court Schedule:
Monday, Jan. 30, 2006
Florida A&M @ (16) Ohio State 8:00 PM ET
Tuesday, Jan. 31, 2006
(10) Pittsburgh @ (1) Connecticut 7:30 PM ET
Nebraska @ Oklahoma State 8:00 PM ET
Wednesday, Feb. 1, 2006
Rutgers @ (24) Syracuse 7:00 PM ET
Texas A&M @ (22) Oklahoma 8:00 PM ET
Michigan @ Penn State 8:00 PM ET
Kentucky @ Mississippi St. 8:00 PM ET
Northwestern @ (11) Indiana 8:00 PM ET
BYU @ New Mexico 9:00 PM ET
Thursday, Feb. 2, 2006
South Alabama @ Arkansas LR 8:00 PM ET
Stanford @ Oregon 8:30 PM ET
Saturday, Feb. 4, 2006
Saint Joseph's @ St. Bonaventure 12:00 PM ET
Cincinnati @ (13) West Virginia 12:00 PM ET
LSU @ Alabama 1:00 PM ET
Wake Forest @ Virginia 1:30 PM ET
Miami @ Georgia Tech 1:30 PM ET
Marquette @ (6) Villanova 2:00 PM ET
Mississippi @ (20) Tennessee 3:00 PM ET
Minnesota @ (16) Ohio State 3:00 PM ET
South Carolina @ Arkansas 3:05 PM ET
Clemson @ (25) North Carolina 4:00 PM ET
Oklahoma State @ Kansas State 4:00 PM ET
Temple @ La Salle 4:00 PM ET
Fresno State @ Boise State 5:00 PM ET
Michigan @ Iowa 5:10 PM ET
(12) Michigan State @ Northwestern 7:00 PM ET
(21) Wisconsin @ Purdue 8:00 PM ET
Siena @ St. Peter's 8:00 PM ET
Penn State @ (7) Illinois 9:00 PM ET
Baylor @ Nebraska 9:00 PM ET
Stanford @ Oregon State 10:00 PM ET
Wyoming @ UNLV 10:00 PM ET
Sunday, Feb. 5, 2006
Richmond @ (15) George Washington 12:00 PM ET
(10) Pittsburgh @ Georgetown 12:00 PM ET
Rutgers @ Seton Hall 12:00 PM ET
Colorado @ Iowa State 2:00 PM ET
Red Dog
01-30-06, 12:36 PM
The February 18 Bracket Buster matchups are supposed to be released today around 4 pm on ESPNEWS.
AP Top 25 Poll
1 Connecticut (65) 18-1 1,793 1
2 Duke (7) 19-1 1,727 2
3 Memphis 19-2 1,638 3
4 Villanova 15-2 1,548 6
5 Gonzaga 17-3 1,465 7
6 Illinois 19-2 1,414 8
7 Texas 17-3 1,355 4
8 Florida 18-2 1,287 5
9 Pittsburgh 17-1 1,284 12
10 George Washington 16-1 1,050 14
11 West Virginia 15-4 1,013 9
12 Michigan State 16-5 933 11
13 Tennessee 14-3 827 19
14 UCLA 17-4 797 17
15 Boston College 16-4 639 20
16 Washington 16-4 630 10
17 Georgetown 14-4 599 21
18 North Carolina State 16-4 529 15
19 Oklahoma 13-4 471 24
20 Ohio State 14-3 464 16
21 Michigan 15-3 440 NR
22 Indiana 12-5 289 13
23 Iowa 16-5 288 NR
24 LSU 14-5 269 NR
25 Northern Iowa 19-3 184 NR
The coache's poll truly befuddles me. They short change WVU for weeks, then we lose to Marshall and they move us UP two spots. :lol:
Edit: Added AP Poll
WVU drops 2 spots here, that's more reasonable. :lol: Glad to see they didn't take a big drop for losing to Marshall, still don't see how they moved up 2 spots in the coaches poll though.
Josh H
01-30-06, 03:00 PM
The 30 midseason Wooden Award favorites. Kind of pointless as people not on the list can still end up winning.....
• Hassan Adams, Sr., Guard, Arizona
• Maurice Ager, Sr., Guard, Michigan State
• LaMarcus Aldridge, So., Forward, Texas
• Dee Brown, Sr., Guard, Illinois
• Rodney Carney, Sr., Forward, Memphis
• Paul Davis, Sr., Center, Michigan State
• Taquan Dean, Sr., Guard, Louisville
• Jordan Farmar, So., Guard, UCLA
• Nick Fazekas, Jr., Forward, Nevada
• Randy Foye, Sr., Guard, Villanova
• Mike Gansey, Sr., Forward, West Virginia
• Thomas Gardner, Jr., Guard, Missouri
• Rudy Gay, So., Forward, Connecticut
• Justin Gray, Sr., Guard, Wake Forest
• Taurean Green, So., Guard, Florida
• Marco Killingsworth, Sr., Forward, Indiana
• Carl Krauser, Jr., Guard, Pittsburgh
• Paul Millsap, Jr., Forward, Louisiana Tech
• Gerry McNamara, Sr., Guard, Syracuse
• Adam Morrison, Jr., Forward, Gonzaga
• Steve Novak, Sr., Forward, Marquette
• Kevin Pittsnogle, Sr., Center, West Virginia
• Allan Ray, Sr., Guard, Villanova
• J.J. Redick, Sr., Guard, Duke
• Rajon Rondo, So., Guard, Kentucky
• Brandon Roy, Sr., Guard, Washington
• Craig Smith, Sr., Forward, Boston College
• Alando Tucker, So., Forward, Wisconsin
• P.J. Tucker, Jr., Forward, Texas
• Shelden Williams, Sr., Forward, Duke
brizz
01-30-06, 03:05 PM
Shannon Brown should be on that list before Maurice Ager.
B.A.
01-30-06, 03:21 PM
Unless Dee Brown's shooting percentage miraculously increases by ten percent, then he doesn't deserve to be on that list.
Some of the names on that list are completely laughable.
WallyOPD
01-30-06, 03:34 PM
I'm hoping to catch these games this week:
Louisville at Villanova - Haven't really followed Louisville closely this year and with all the talk about how they might miss the tournament I'd like to see how they stack up to a talented team.
Notre Dame at West Virginia - I just like watching this West Virginia team play.
Duke at Boston College - Maybe. If Vitale is doing the game that will probably sway me to miss it.
Arizona at USC - This is their most miserable season in 2 decades but I'll stick with it until the end.
Connecticut at Indiana - Other than the Arizona games this is the one I'm looking forward to the most, I love these big inter-conference matchups in the middle of the season.
Arizona at UCLA - See above.
I'll probably catch more but these are the ones I'll be going out of my way to see.
Red Dog
01-30-06, 03:42 PM
Bucknell at Northern Iowa Bracket Buster contest confirmed by the Des Moines Register. Game time expected to be 11 am Central, noon Eastern on ESPN2.
Should be a great matchup. Interesting ties too: UNI was the school who lent their band to play for Bucknell when they played Kansas in the tourney, and UNI's A.D. (and favorite ref of Big Ten fans ;) ), Rick Hartzell, used to be A.D. at Bucknell (when I was there).
Obviously, I will be a huge UNI fan, except for one day, over the next month.
Red Dog
01-30-06, 04:11 PM
Bracket Buster TV (ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, ESPN360) pairings:
A showdown between Bucknell and Northern Iowa (No. 24 ESPN/USA Today, No. 25 AP) headlines the 13 BracketBusters matchups announced Monday.
The games will be televised on ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU and ESPN360 over two days, Friday, Feb. 17 and Saturday, Feb. 18. Game times and network assignments will be announced on Tuesday, Feb. 7.
The 26-team field includes 14 schools that played in the postseason last year, including nine NCAA Tournament teams.
The matchups
• Bucknell at Northern Iowa
• George Mason at Wichita State
• Missouri State at Wisconsin-Milwaukee
• Louisiana Tech at Southern Illinois
• Buffalo at Iona
• Fresno State at Creighton
• Akron at Nevada
• Butler at Kent State
• Marist at Old Dominion
• Northwestern State at Utah State
• Samford at Ohio
• Albany at Virginia Commonwealth
• Northern Arizona at Western Kentucky
Josh H
01-30-06, 05:31 PM
Notre Dame at West Virginia - I just like watching this West Virginia team play
Kind of a big game for WVU. Have to defend the home court in conference play, and we've lost to ND 11 straight times.
Red Dog
01-30-06, 05:43 PM
Good site to bookmark - a site that lists the complete TV schedule (local + national):
http://www.ncaasports.com/broadcast/schedule/basketball_mens
Arizona vs Bucknell. Red Dog you would become my mortal enemy. :(
Red Dog
01-30-06, 06:18 PM
Arizona vs Bucknell. Red Dog you would become my mortal enemy. :(
Nah.
Remember - these projections are based on the season ending today. Frankly, I don't think Bucknell can end up any higher than a 10 unless they completely run the table, and heck, that's a blessing in disguise if you ask me. However, Bucknell playing in the Philly pod would make my life very easy.
And Arizona - the way they've been playing, I think you'll be lucky if they end up as high as a 8.
Put simply - the only way these 2 teams would end up playing each other would be if they both win 1st round games.
WallyOPD
01-30-06, 06:21 PM
Yeah my season long confidence that they would find their shot and hit their stride is starting to waver. They're still in the tourney at this point but I've lived in Arizona since 1988 and this is the first time I'll be heading into February not considering them a lock for the NCAAs.
Dr_Evil
01-30-06, 08:07 PM
Bucknell at Northern Iowa Bracket Buster contest confirmed by the Des Moines Register. Game time expected to be 11 am Central, noon Eastern on ESPN2.
Should be a great matchup. Interesting ties too: UNI was the school who lent their band to play for Bucknell when they played Kansas in the tourney, and UNI's A.D. (and favorite ref of Big Ten fans ;) ), Rick Hartzell, used to be A.D. at Bucknell (when I was there).
Obviously, I will be a huge UNI fan, except for one day, over the next month.
Well, this is what they needed, an opponent with a high RPI. This should be a good game to help with seeding in the tournament. I think they will still need to win the PL tourney to get in, but this is a great chance for a quality win. UNI will be tough though. I saw them in person at the tournament last year and they are a physical team. Playing them on their home floor in a huge game will be no small task. If they win this one, I would put it up there with the Pitt win as far as quality road wins in program history go.
UNI is a quality school with good fans. The pep band not only played at the game but welcomed the players back to the hotel after the win over Kansas with the fight song. They all seemed genuinely happy to be a part of the occassion. I have nothing but respect for them.
Josh H
01-30-06, 10:47 PM
Villanova beat Louisville 79-73. Pretty enteraining game, Nova would get hot, hit some threes and get up by 13 or so, they'd get cold for a few possessions and Louisville would storm back to with in 2.
Happened 2 or 3 times in the game. Louisville could never get over the hump though.
Amazing shooting by both teams. Nova was 14-26 behind the arc, and Louisville 12-14 :eek:
Tommy_Harn
01-30-06, 11:36 PM
The 30 midseason Wooden Award favorites.
• Justin Gray, Sr., Guard, Wake Forest
• Gerry McNamara, Sr., Guard, Syracuse
• Rajon Rondo, So., Guard, Kentucky
Yikes, these are some pretty weak choices. Christ, McNamara hasn't progressed even one iota as a player since his freshman year.
Lateralus
01-31-06, 06:38 AM
WTF! How can the Connecticut / Pittsburgh game NOT be on TV?!?
Josh H
01-31-06, 12:33 PM
Yikes, these are some pretty weak choices. Christ, McNamara hasn't progressed even one iota as a player since his freshman year.
Justin Gray deserves on the list. He's averaging 19.6 pts 3.9 rebounds and 4.0 assits a game.
I agree on the other two though.
Red Dog
01-31-06, 12:43 PM
Stats are deceptive. Gray is certainly not one of the 30 best players in the country. Anybody who has watched Wake play this year would see this. His assist to turnover ratio isn't even top-10 in the ACC.
Josh H
01-31-06, 12:50 PM
I'm probably giving him too much credit as I saw his 38 point performance against MD in person.
RoyalTea
01-31-06, 02:55 PM
I'm not sure why everybody hates on Bobby Knight, but human sacks of shit like Jim Calhoun get a free pass.
well, maybe not anymore.
there is a connecticut reporter who was a tad bit critical of the way the school handled the laptop thieves (star player gets suspended for non-conference play; non-star player gets suspended for the whole year - for the same crime) or the way jim calhoun lied to a recruit and told him not to go to another school because that other school's coach was secretly dying from cancer.
so, jim calhoun said that if said reporter has any balls, he'd show up with bodyguards at an upcoming media event.
STANDINGS:
Duke 7-0 1.000 19-1 .950
NC State 5-2 .714 16-4 .800
Maryland 4-2 .667 14-5 .737
Boston College 4-3 .571 16-4 .800
Virginia 4-3 .571 10-7 .588
Miami 4-3 .571 12-8 .600
North Carolina 3-3 .500 12-5 .706
Clemson 3-4 .429 14-6 .700
Florida State 3-4 .429 12-5 .706
Georgia Tech 2-5 .286 9-9 .500
Virginia Tech 1-6 .143 11-9 .550
Wake Forest 1-6 .143 12-8 .600
Big week for the Terps. A split is an absolute must, which basically means beating UNC at home because I can't see them winning in Raleigh.
Josh H
01-31-06, 05:49 PM
Yep, and I'm going to the UNC game (even though I'm swamped and really don't have the time) so they better show up and win.
Dr_Evil
01-31-06, 07:26 PM
WTF! How can the Connecticut / Pittsburgh game NOT be on TV?!?
I can't believe this either. The Pitt/Uconn games have been great for the last 5 years or so. Pitt was predicted to be a middle of the road Big East team this year, so maybe that factors in to it.
WallyOPD
01-31-06, 09:17 PM
Louisville looked tournament worthy last night to me, hopefully I'll get a chance to see then another time or two.
B.A.
01-31-06, 10:01 PM
Illinois picks up a big win on the road in Wisconsin. :up:
I think the Bison have sent Badgers into a tailspin.
;)
Josh H
01-31-06, 10:04 PM
UCONN wins by 4. Pretty anti-climatic for a close game. Terrible 3 point shooting, but great inside play by both teams.
Dr_Evil
01-31-06, 10:11 PM
Nice effort by Pitt tonight. Aaron Gray has improved quite dramatically from his freshman year. He has to be getting some NBA scouts attention.
Flashback
01-31-06, 10:50 PM
I can't believe this either. The Pitt/Uconn games have been great for the last 5 years or so. Pitt was predicted to be a middle of the road Big East team this year, so maybe that factors in to it.
Was on here in Chicago.
Josh H
01-31-06, 11:18 PM
Creighton knocked off Northern Iowa 63-55.
B.A.
01-31-06, 11:21 PM
Creighton knocked off Northern Iowa 63-55.The top teams in the Valley are taking turns beating up on one another. :up:
MrX
01-31-06, 11:21 PM
2 years in a row at Kohl:up:
You have to love Bo Ryan bitching about fouls not being called when Illinois has 15 fouls to Wisconsin's 5
Red Dog
02-01-06, 06:11 PM
Creighton knocked off Northern Iowa 63-55.
That figures.
Rockmjd23
02-01-06, 11:05 PM
Wow BC got screwed by the refs tonight. Too bad, they had a good chance to win it.
Oops not quite over yet...
Rockmjd23
02-01-06, 11:07 PM
Jeez should have gotten a foul call on that three-pointer :rolleyes:
Dr_Evil
02-01-06, 11:15 PM
Wow. How can they not call that
Rockmjd23
02-01-06, 11:15 PM
That was complete bullshit. How could the refs not blow the whistle. Duke is given every fucking game by the officials. Hopefully their luck runs out as usual in the tournament.
Canadian Bacon
02-01-06, 11:17 PM
That was complete bullshit. How could the refs not blow the whistle. Duke is given every fucking game by the officials.
What happened?
Rockmjd23
02-01-06, 11:18 PM
What happened?
Duke up 3 with ~12 seconds left...BC player goes to the hoop for a quick 2 and gets raped, no call. Duke gets rebound, wins. Typical game. Dickie V gives JJ a blowjob in locker room after game, the usual.
Canadian Bacon
02-01-06, 11:29 PM
Dickie V gives JJ a blowjob in locker room after game, the usual.
:eek: He waited until they got into the locker room? Usualy he does it right there at the media table
Dr_Evil
02-01-06, 11:43 PM
Duke up 3 with ~12 seconds left...BC player goes to the hoop for a quick 2 and gets raped, no call. Duke gets rebound, wins. Typical game. Dickie V gives JJ a blowjob in locker room after game, the usual.
Even Dickie V said Williams should have been called for a foul at the end, so you know it had to be pretty blatant.
Rockmjd23
02-01-06, 11:44 PM
Even Dickie V said Williams should have been called for a foul at the end, so you know it had to be pretty blatant.
Actually that's true. Even he was critical of the officiating throughout the game. It was that bad.
MrX
02-02-06, 12:22 AM
Anytime the road team outshoots the home team 37 to 13 at the FT line something isn't right. That would be bad even if the game was at Cameron.
RoyalTea
02-02-06, 12:45 AM
Anytime the road team outshoots the home team 37 to 13 at the FT line something isn't right. That would be bad even if the game was at Cameron.un-be-fucking-lievable.
taa455
02-02-06, 08:45 AM
Duke up 3 with ~12 seconds left...BC player goes to the hoop for a quick 2 and gets raped, no call. Duke gets rebound, wins.
I thought there should have been a call there, but it was not really a blatant foul. I couldn't figure why they weren't shooting a 3 pointer. With only 12 seconds left, down by 3, I really don't think it's wise to go for a layup. I watched the second half of the game and I don't recall a game with more flopping (by both teams) trying to get a charge called. Nice to see BC come back and almost win. I wish they could've pulled the upset. When they let McRoberts get that offensive board off the Paulus 2nd free throw, that hurt big time. I think BC would've been down 3 with the ball and about 40 seconds had they pulled down that rebound. Instead McRoberts drains 2 foul shots and they are down 5.
B.A.
02-02-06, 08:50 AM
un-be-fucking-lievable.I believe it!
:p
kneijst1
02-02-06, 08:58 AM
Amazing game last night between Rutgers and Syracuse. Syracuse's PF Roberts hit a 3 with .4 secs left in OT to win the game. I wish I had bought fullcourt just for this game, but SU was coming off a 4 game losing streak, so I didn't have much faith in them (plus, I didn't want to pay $75 for one game).
Looks like it's going to be a battle in the Big East just to get to the BE tournament. (Rumor has it they will be splitting up the BE in the next couple of years into a football/basketball conference and a basketball only conference).
Josh H
02-02-06, 10:04 AM
Great games last night.
WVU finally beats Notre Dame after 11 straight losses, but it wasn't easy. Good three point shoothing by both teams, WVU wins 71-70 as a Quinn shot in the lane at the buzzers rolls off (WVU had a layup roll around every inch of the rim and not go down the possession before that).
Duke-BC was good as well, great effort by BC to battle back, just missed to many free throws, had a killer turnover and the aforementioned bad non-call on Williams that killed their chances.
Syracuse-rutgers was the best of the night. Rutgers hits a 3 to send it to OT, hits a 3 to take the lead with a few seconds left in OT, only to see Syracuse hit a 3 at the other end with less than a second left to win it. To top that off Douby launched a beyond half court shot at the OT buzzer than hit the back of the rim! Hell of a game by him with 9 threes and 41 points.
Tons of great games in the big east this year, I can't wait for the conference tourney. It stands to be more exciting than the NCAAs.
Red Dog
02-02-06, 10:21 AM
I'm glad I fell asleep at 10:30 last night so I didn't have to witness a typical 8-on-5 Duke game, as it sounds like happened last night.
The Cuse/Rutgers game was a great one. Good to see Cuse win.
RoyalTea
02-02-06, 10:32 AM
Duke-BC was good as well, great effort by BC to battle back, just missed to many free throws, had a killer turnover and the aforementioned bad non-call on Williams that killed their chances.BC missed too many free throws? they were 10-13. That's probably the best they've been from the line all year. Still can't believe that an interior team like BC can only get to the line 13 times, and Duke goest to the line 37 times.
Josh H
02-02-06, 10:42 AM
Let me say, missed too many free throws in crunch time. IIRC all 3 of those misses were in the last couple of minutes when they were trying to come back.
hongkongdvd
02-02-06, 11:20 AM
I'm glad I fell asleep at 10:30 last night so I didn't have to witness a typical 8-on-5 Duke game, as it sounds like happened last night.
I am sick of people saying the refs favor Duke. Nobody said Georgetown had the refs when they beat Duke a few weeks ago. Refs are human too and they make mistakes. But that's part of the game. Sometimes these mistakes help one team more than others. But calling it a "typical 8-5 Duke game" is just wrong. The Refs get nothing extra regardless of who wins, so why would they favor Duke.
BC lost at the end because 2 of their 5 starters fouled out. They couldn't get the rebounds they needed and shot 2's instead of 3's when they needed 3's. Great effort by BC though!
B.A.
02-02-06, 11:32 AM
SIU lost at home to Indiana State. Nice job looking past your opponent, Salukis.
-ohbfrank-
RoyalTea
02-02-06, 12:11 PM
BC lost at the end because 2 of their 5 starters fouled out.yeah, that had nothing to do with the refs.
hongkongdvd
02-02-06, 12:21 PM
yeah, that had nothing to do with the refs.
So because 2 BC players fouled out, the refs favor Duke??? What kind of logic is that???
Maybe, those 2 BC players fouled out because they did commit the fouls. It's not the Refs' fault when the BC players hack the Duke players at the basket. You may not agree but your opinion doesn't matter, only the refs' opinion does.
When Duke wins, stop bitching about the Refs. Because when Duke loses, I don't hear those same people complaining about the Refs.
Red Dog
02-02-06, 12:31 PM
Here is the official NCAA RPI site, which will be updated weekly:
http://web1.ncaa.org/app_data/weeklyrpi/rpi1.html
I still prefer kenpom.com since that updates daily.
Speaking of which, playing #325 Army really hurt Bucknell. It dropped them 8 spots: from 34 to 42. Ouch.
Rockmjd23
02-02-06, 06:05 PM
Because when Duke loses, I don't hear those same people complaining about the Refs.
That's because they did their job.
Josh H
02-02-06, 06:31 PM
Duke does get some favoritism, as do most elite teams, but I think it's overstated (and I fucking hate dook).
They get more free throws than the other team in most games because they attack non-stop on offense. Almost all their perimiter players are always driving and getting hacked several times, and their inside guy tends to be a bruiser who is going to get a lot of touches and draw a lot of fouls.
That said, the non-call on Williams was a joke. But you shouldn't be going to the basket down by 3 with 12 seconds left anyway. BC just made too many mistakes with that, the bad turnover, the inability to rebound after Duke missed a free throw and missing 3 free throws of their own in crunch time. So it's not like that non-call was the reason they didn't win.
Josh H
02-02-06, 06:34 PM
ESPN.com Power rankings:
1 seeds:
UCONN
Duke
Memphis
Villanova
2 Seeds:
Illinois
Gonzaga
Texas
Pittsburgh
3 seeds:
Florida
Michigan State
West Virginia
George Washington
4 Seeds:
LSU
Tennessee
UCLA
Ohio State
Red Dog
02-03-06, 09:55 AM
Maryland really fucked themselves last night. What a strange game too - I haven't seen many games like that in the ACC - so physical. It felt like a Big 12 game where the refs swallow their whistles.
Maryland has an uphill battle ahead of them. They have only one win OOC vs a top-100 team (Arkansas). They are 4-3 in league play. Assume 9-7 is the target number for a bid. That means they need 5 more wins. I'm not sure where they're going to get them. They only have 4 home games left and one of those is vs Duke. So in all likelihood, they would have to win at least 2 road games. I don't see this team being able to do that.
Sunday could be ugly - I think NCSU is going to school Maryland.
taa455
02-03-06, 10:10 AM
What a strange game too - I haven't seen many games like that in the ACC - so physical. It felt like a Big 12 game where the refs swallow their whistles.
It was odd that there weren't more fouls called. The defenses by both teams were playing very aggressively. It was only a 2 point lead for Maryland at half. In the 2nd half, Maryland just went cold. I'd like to see their field goal % in the 2nd half. Part of it was UNC defense, but they just really could hit a shot. Big win for UNC considering it was on the road and Maryland was 4-2 in conf. This win really almost solidifies a spot in the Tournament for UNC, unless they totally fall apart from here.
Also an interesting statistic: TURNOVERS
UNC - 24 Maryland - 12
Amazing that UNC could win by 15 points with 24 turnovers.
Red Dog
02-03-06, 10:22 AM
Also an interesting statistic: TURNOVERS
UNC - 24 Maryland - 12
Amazing that UNC could win by 15 points with 24 turnovers.
True but what were the rebounding stats. Maryland got owned on the boards.
Red Dog
02-03-06, 10:24 AM
I was shocked that GW was able to come back vs Xavier. I thought Xavier had them dead to rights. It will be interesting to see where GW ends up - they don't have any tough games left until the A-10 tourney.
Tommy_Harn
02-03-06, 10:30 AM
I am sick of people saying the refs favor Duke.
Well, most college basketball fans will agree that the dookies have gotten some generous love from officials in the past (many times in big games- i.e. 2001 National Semi-final) that have had an effect on the outcome of the game.
Yes, it is a bit overstated these days, and of course there are two sides to every argument. For instance, as a Carolina fan, someone might say the refs had a hand in UNC's win over 'Nova in the Sweet 16 last March. The counter argument is that Raymond Felton got Lonny Baxtered (two phantom calls to foul him out of the game). Yet, once that travel was called and the game decided, the Pro-Big East crowd was booing up a storm.
In the Blue Devils' case, ESPN's constant love-fest towards everything dook certainly doesn't help the perception that there is a higher power looking out for them.
Red Dog
02-03-06, 10:35 AM
(many times in big games- i.e. 2001 National Semi-final)
The 2001 Final was even worse.
taa455
02-03-06, 10:36 AM
True but what were the rebounding stats. Maryland got owned on the boards.
UNC
Off - 14
Def - 38
Tot - 52
UMd
Off - 15
Def - 19
Tot - 34
Maryland didn't really get owned. They actually beat UNC on the offensive boards. It was just that they missed so many shots, UNC had a a whole lot more opportunities on the defensive end.
Josh H
02-03-06, 11:40 AM
So in all likelihood, they would have to win at least 2 road games. I don't see this team being able to do that.
I don't either. They just don't have the talent or composure. Looks like another NIT year for them unless they can upset Duke and/or make a run in the ACC tourney, and neither seem likely. :(
Miserable game last night, on top of losing, I got there late and had to sit in literaly the top row behind the basket. *sigh*
taa455
02-03-06, 11:49 AM
If UMd finishes 8-8 in conf, they're in, In my opinion.
Red Dog
02-03-06, 12:03 PM
If UMd finishes 8-8 in conf, they're in, In my opinion.
They would have win a game or 2 in the tourney to get in if they finished 8-8. Their profile isn't good right now - they are 1-5 vs the RPI top-50 and 2-6 vs the top-100. Their non-conf SOS is only 71.
taa455
02-03-06, 12:26 PM
I almost posted this in the Movie Forum, but I thought it would be more "appropriate" here.
They would have win a game or 2 in the tourney to get in if they finished 8-8. Their profile isn't good right now - they are 1-5 vs the RPI top-50 and 2-6 vs the top-100. Their non-conf SOS is only 71.
And don't they only have 1 road win as well?
Red Dog
02-03-06, 01:01 PM
And don't they only have 1 road win as well?
1 road, 1 neutral
WallyOPD
02-03-06, 01:27 PM
I'm just going to crawl into a hole now. I figured a split in both SoCal and the Bay Area would be ok assuming Arizona held court at home, but now they've gone and dropped the more winnable LA game against USC. Saturday's game against UCLA is going to be huge for their NCAA chances.
Josh H
02-03-06, 01:46 PM
1 road, 1 neutral
That's what I though. And neither of those is a real quality win. Arkansas is ok, and could turn into one of they play well from here out. GT sucks so that won't help their resume at all. :(
Josh H
02-03-06, 03:16 PM
CNNSI.com power rankings
1. UCONN
2. Duke
3. Memphis
4. Texas
5. West Virginia
6. Villanova
7. Illinois
8. Florida
9. Gonzaga
10. Tennessee
11. Pittsburgh
12. Michigan
13. George Washington
14. Michigan St.
15. Iowa
16. LSU
The thing that's striking about this is that looking over it shows the parity in college basketball. The number 1 team barely beat the number 16 team at home. March Madness should be awesome this year. :thumbsup:
taa455
02-03-06, 03:55 PM
That is a strange list. I'm not sure Iowa LSU and Michigan deserve to be so high.
Josh H
02-03-06, 04:30 PM
I don't have a problem with LSU, they've been getting a lot of buzz. They're 15-5 and have wins over West Virginia and Tennesse, and a 1 point loss at UCONN, a 3 point loss at Cincinnati, a 2 point loss at Ohio State, a 4 point loss to Northern Iowa and and a 1 point loss to Houston.
So they're clearly a few bounces of the ball away from being a top 10 team, so it's reasonable for the power rankings to assess all those close losses to mostly good teams and put them on the list IMO.
Josh H
02-04-06, 12:12 PM
Pittsnogle's wife gave birth last evening with no complications and he's playing now. WVU up 10-6 early.
Dr_Evil
02-04-06, 12:15 PM
Both teams shooting well from beyond the arch in Louisville. ND up 25-23.
Josh H
02-04-06, 12:39 PM
Cincy up 33-30 at the half. WVU has to do 2 things if they want to win this game.
1. Start boxing out Eric Hicks. He has 16 points and I believe 14 were on dunks, most after rebounds.
2. Start shooting better, only made 3 threes and shot 33% in the half.
edytwinky
02-04-06, 12:49 PM
Shockers down by 1 at the half.
Huge MVC game. Winner of the game could most likely receive an at-large bid.
Josh H
02-04-06, 12:58 PM
And Pittsnogle hits consecutive threes to start the half and put WVU back up. Hope they can keep it up.
Dr_Evil
02-04-06, 01:59 PM
Wow nice shot by Dean to send the game to OT. This has been an entertaining game, back and forth, lots of threes.
Dr_Evil
02-04-06, 02:00 PM
Bucknell losing 14-5 to Colgate with 8 minutes to go in the first half. Not sure what is going on there.
Red Dog
02-04-06, 02:03 PM
I love the Wichita State venue - the crowd is practically on top of the floor.
Red Dog
02-04-06, 02:12 PM
It's OT Saturday!
Red Dog
02-04-06, 02:14 PM
Bucknell losing 14-5 to Colgate with 8 minutes to go in the first half. Not sure what is going on there.
Terrible shooting. Down 8 at the half. They always struggle in Hamilton.
Josh H
02-04-06, 02:14 PM
WVU pretty well dominated the second half and won by 9. Nice to not have another ulcer inducing last second finish for once.
17-4 and 8-0 in the Big East. :thumbsup:
Dr_Evil
02-04-06, 02:19 PM
Another tough loss for ND. That's 8 big East losses by a combined 25 points.
MrX
02-04-06, 02:20 PM
ND loses:up:
Josh H
02-04-06, 02:29 PM
Fuck. FSU just doesn't want to win this game. Squadered so many chances in OT. -rolleyes-
I guess we can take solice in that we can now pretty safely say Duke shouldn't be mentioned as one of the top 2 or 3 national title hopefuls after the last couple games.
Josh H
02-04-06, 02:36 PM
Marquette up 27-18 at Villanova with 5 minutes left in the 1st half.
edytwinky
02-04-06, 02:38 PM
Huge win for the Shockers today in double OT.
Paul Miller scored a career high. If we can win four more games, we should be a lock for an at-large bid.
Dr_Evil
02-04-06, 02:55 PM
Why do the MVC teams have such high RPIs? If you look at the OOC schedules and results of SIU, NIU, Creighton and Wichita St there is nothing that impressive there.
sjhoffm
02-04-06, 03:25 PM
Fuck. FSU just doesn't want to win this game. Squadered so many chances in OT. -rolleyes-
I guess we can take solice in that we can now pretty safely say Duke shouldn't be mentioned as one of the top 2 or 3 national title hopefuls after the last couple games.
Then tell me something Hinkle: Who should be listed as a national title hopeful? UConn clearly comes to mind. Memphis would be another legitimate contender. But beyond that, who is in the same league? Duke is the only other answer. The next 5 teams in the national rankings all have weaknesses to their place in the top10.
Villanova - Hasn't yet played the heart of their conference. Lost two (Texas and WV) of what I consider their 4 "challenging" games this season (T, WV, Louisville, and Notre Dame).
Gonzaga - Plays in a deplorable conference, and while they have an All-American in Morrison, they are not well-rounded beyond that. That doesn't work well in tourney play.
Illinois - Losses to Iowa and Indiana. You gotta win at least one of those games. Only notable victory is UNC, and P.S. They aren't as good as last year.
Texas - National drubbing at the hands of (*gasp*) DUKE a few weeks back. They have team talent to the levels of Memphis, UConn and Duke, but haven't yet shown that they can gel and make it happen.
Florida - Started hot, but has really cooled off. They play in the SEC...'nuff said.
On the other hand, Duke has taken down Memphis, embarrassed Texas, and (need I remind you) made it 17 games before a blemish appeared on their record. They always get the best from visiting teams and have yet to yield to that at home this season. Their one loss was on the road, and was by the value of one basket. They have two perennial All-Americans, a Hall of Fame coach, and a bevy of McDonald's All-Americans, several of which come of the bench.
So as you can see, excluding Duke from the discussion of teams in contention for the title this year shows a lack of competence about college basketball on your part.
Oh, and no matter what the manner of winning games, if your team has a higher number than the other team when the horn sounds...it's a win.
Keep that in mind.
Josh H
02-04-06, 03:28 PM
I didn't say exclude them from being a contender, but from being a top 2 or 3. I don't see them being able to beat UCONN, Memphis or Villanova. They have too many young players playing major minutes. Hence having close calls like this against mediocre teams like VT and FSU.
They're a good team, but I don't see them winning 6 straight and getting the title.
Red Dog
02-04-06, 03:30 PM
Yeah, I really don't get Josh's comment. I'd love to bash Duke, but they're 21-1 against one of the toughest schedules in the land. They are certainly one of the top-2 or 3 teams out there.
Josh H
02-04-06, 03:31 PM
Fucking Comcast, I had to go up to a superviser to order the $75 half season full court package as the rep that I got at first said it wasnt' available.
The supervisor said that person was wrong, and put it in and said it would be $75. Got my bill and got charged the full $109. :mad: Tried to call now and they're having "higher than normal call volume." :mad:
Completely worthless company, that is unfortunately my only TV and high speed internet option currently (DSL sucks balls here, and can't have satellite due to not having a balcony or patio to mount it on). :mad:
Red Dog
02-04-06, 03:32 PM
Another great 2nd half effort for Bucknell as they come back from a double-digit deficit and beat Colgate, 68-59. :thumbsup:
Josh H
02-04-06, 03:33 PM
Yeah, I really don't get Josh's comment. I'd love to bash Duke, but they're 21-1 against one of the toughest schedules in the land. They are certainly one of the top-2 or 3 teams out there.
I just think they have too much youth, and often struggle to close out games.
In the highly unlikely event that WVU could get to the title game, there's not another sure fire #1 seed I'd rather them go up against. We could match or exceed their threes, would force more turnovers and our experince would give us an edge.
Same thing if Duke runs into UCONN, Memphis or Villanova IMO.
Duke's a great team, they're just 4th on my list of title contenders, behind the 3 above teams right now.
RoyalTea
02-04-06, 03:37 PM
i'm watching the texas game right now. there's a texas student wearing just a speedo behind one of the baskets.
very disturbing.
sjhoffm
02-04-06, 03:43 PM
I just think they have too much youth, and often struggle to close out games.
Duke starts 3 seniors and 2 freshmen. The freshmen are quite seasoned at this point, but freshmen nonetheless. And WVU, starts 4 seniors and a junior, I'll give you that.
But how is 3 seniors (two All-Americans) too much youth? That's just a false statement. This is not even including the tourney experience that those guys have.
As for closing out games...I would like to think that if you polled 100 college basketball fans about who'd they would want to take the last shot in the game, Redick would be on quite a few of those lists.
And again...they've closed out every game but one this season. Only UConn (among the top10) can make that same claim.
Don't make outlandish statements without either researching what your saying, or backing it up.
Thank you.
Adam Tyner
02-04-06, 03:44 PM
I guess we can take solice in that we can now pretty safely say Duke shouldn't be mentioned as one of the top 2 or 3 national title hopefuls after the last couple games.See, a comment like this makes it sound like you feel Duke's reputation is grossly overinflated, but your stance is that they're one and only one spot below that?
MrX
02-04-06, 04:00 PM
LSU lost to Bama today
Josh H
02-04-06, 04:15 PM
Don't make outlandish statements without either researching what your saying, or backing it up.
Closing out games means you don't need Redick to take a last shot. If you need a last shot, you didn't close out the game in the final minutes.
Closing out a game means you win comfortably, and at most are up enough where the other team just has to foul you every possession.
But I'm out, as I don't like to waste time arguing with homers. Again, I didn't say Duke wasn't one of the best teams, just not in the top 3 and certainly not the clear cut best team as they were being touted in the media until losing to Georgetown.
Josh H
02-04-06, 04:17 PM
See, a comment like this makes it sound like you feel Duke's reputation is grossly overinflated, but your stance is that they're one and only one spot below that?
Well, it was probably a little overharsh given my dissappointment at FSU's ineptitude down the stretch in OT and my unbridled hatred of Dook. :D
Duke is a great team, just not in the top 2 or 3 and I'd be pretty surprised if they win the championship as they're a team that's ripe for upset by a lower seeded team as evidenced in the close call today and against VT earlier (and even the lost to George town.
sjhoffm
02-04-06, 04:28 PM
Closing out games means you don't need Redick to take a last shot. If you need a last shot, you didn't close out the game in the final minutes.
Closing out a game means you win comfortably, and at most are up enough where the other team just has to foul you every possession.
But I'm out, as I don't like to waste time arguing with homers. Again, I didn't say Duke wasn't one of the best teams, just not in the top 3 and certainly not the clear cut best team as they were being touted in the media until losing to Georgetown.
You are wrong.
That is not what that term means. "Closing out games" means "doing what is necessary to win." Today for example, they closed out the game. In OT, they were able to rise up to a lead sufficient for them to get the W. They never led by a lot, and certainly didn't win comfortably.
Learn something kid...
As for me being a homer...didn't you say you were a WV fan? Is that just in the past season or two when they got decent? Ohhhh, how cute.
I happen to live in the Southeast, very near Durham. I happen to have grown up cheering for Duke. I followed the team during the Chris Collins years when the wins were thinner and the NCAA appearances not assured.
Don't make statements about people when you don't know the validity of them. It only creates more opportunity for people to exploit your ineptitude and stupidity.
Josh H
02-04-06, 04:41 PM
You are wrong.
As for me being a homer...didn't you say you were a WV fan? Is that just in the past season or two when they got decent? Ohhhh, how cute.
I happen to live in the Southeast, very near Durham. I happen to have grown up cheering for Duke. I followed the team during the Chris Collins years when the wins were thinner and the NCAA appearances not assured.
Don't make statements about people when you don't know the validity of them. It only creates more opportunity for people to exploit your ineptitude and stupidity.
rotfl
You just put your foot in your mouth big time.
I grew up an hour from WVU, lived in WV for 23 years, and did my undergrad at WVU. We have no professional sports teams. I've been bleeding blue and gold my whole life, and don't care much about sports outside of WVU football and basketball, even in years when they stunk.
And I'm not a homer, if anything WVU is getting too much credit. They don't close out games (by my definition) and have too many go down to the wire. They do what it takes to win them, but that's not the sign of a top championship contender, especially when its against mediocre competition.
Josh H
02-04-06, 05:40 PM
Furious comeback by Arizona. They were down 24 to UCLA early in the 2nd half, now within 7 with 7:51 to play.
Tommy_Harn
02-04-06, 06:13 PM
52 straight for the Heels vs. Clemson. I actually had a Tiger grad/fan try to talk trash the other day (he saw my UNC hat). I told him that his talking smack was like the a British guy talking trash to Andrew Jackson that they killed 12 of his troops at the Battle of New Orleans.
42-11 FT differential in dook's win.
Josh H
02-04-06, 06:48 PM
UCLA held on to beat Arizona. I don't see Arizona getting to the NCAAs this year.
Josh H
02-04-06, 07:02 PM
Forgot to mention one earlier game, Villanova came back to beat Marquette by 5. Marquette's youth killed them late in that game. When they're in the NIT, this will be one they look back and regret.
edytwinky
02-04-06, 07:10 PM
Why do the MVC teams have such high RPIs? If you look at the OOC schedules and results of SIU, NIU, Creighton and Wichita St there is nothing that impressive there.
The MVC have had some tough non-conference games. Wichita State has had Michigan State and Illinois who they lost to by one point. Southern Illiniois has had wins against Conference leaders Kent State and Murray State. Then there's Northern Iowa who beat #12 Iowa. Creighton also has wins against conference leader George Mason.
Oh yeah, it's quite possible that WSU is the best team in the state of Kansas. The only thing preventing proof is KU's unwillingness to play WSU. But we've all seen KU's struggles this year so it's a moot point.
Three of those teams also went to the dance last year with SIU going the past four-five years and stirring some upsets. Say what you will but MVC teams will have some upsets come March.
Canadian Bacon
02-04-06, 10:51 PM
Illinois loses at home to Penn St
:eek:
not exactly the beast of the Big Ten
Mopower
02-04-06, 11:05 PM
Thanks Penn State for beating Illannoy and making Iowa #1 in the Big Ten!!!
For now....
Josh H
02-04-06, 11:06 PM
And some of the experts had Illinois as a 1 seed in their projections. :lol:
B.A.
02-05-06, 12:26 AM
How do you lose at home to Penn State?
What flippity-flying-fuck is that?
:yack:
brizz
02-05-06, 01:25 AM
How do you lose at home to Penn State?
What flippity-flying-fuck is that?
:yack:
:scratch2: :nopanic: :lol:
DarkElf
02-05-06, 02:11 AM
You are wrong.
That is not what that term means. "Closing out games" means "doing what is necessary to win." Today for example, they closed out the game. In OT, they were able to rise up to a lead sufficient for them to get the W. They never led by a lot, and certainly didn't win comfortably.
Learn something kid...
As for me being a homer...didn't you say you were a WV fan? Is that just in the past season or two when they got decent? Ohhhh, how cute.
Don't make statements about people when you don't know the validity of them. It only creates more opportunity for people to exploit your ineptitude and stupidity.
Welcome and thank you for participating in the Sports Forum. I must advise you that it is strictly against DVDTalk Forum posting guidelines to make personal attacks against another forum member. I have to issue a warning to you to refrain from doing this in the future or a suspension will be in order.
You say to not make statements about people when you don't know the validity, and then you do EXACTLY that with Josh.
Frankly, your angry and condescending tone in this thread is totally unnecessary and will win you no friends in this community. Please show more civility in your posts in the future. Thank you for your cooperation.
Nazgul
02-05-06, 11:17 AM
Oh yeah, it's quite possible that WSU is the best team in the state of Kansas. The only thing preventing proof is KU's unwillingness to play WSU. But we've all seen KU's struggles this year so it's a moot point.
rotfl
Any other year, KU would have given WSU the "shocker". Funny that this starts in a down year for KU.
sjhoffm
02-05-06, 11:23 AM
You say to not make statements about people when you don't know the validity, and then you do EXACTLY that with Josh.
I must disagree. I did no such thing.
Josh said to me: "But I'm out, as I don't like to waste time arguing with homers."
I replied by explaining my allegiance to Duke, and then stated: "As for me being a homer...didn't you say you were a WV fan? Is that just in the past season or two when they got decent? Ohhhh, how cute."
I asked what his situation was (which he later explained his allegiance to WV, and that was that).
He blindly accused, I attempted to gather the information before throwing out remarks.
My tone is what it is because people are accusing me of things that are untrue. When talking about the sport of college basketball, I can often get passionate about the topic matter. I enjoy informative and eye-opening discussion without slander. Hopefully that is the direction this forum steers for the majority of its posts.
Josh H
02-05-06, 11:30 AM
The "Ohhh, how cute" part was making an assumption before I responded, which is what Dead was probably getting at.
And calling someone a homer isn't an insult, it's just saying that that person is too big a fan of said team to bother arguing with them as they're just going to tirelessly defend their team. So no need to get your panties in a bunch there. :D
And aside from that, the following part of your prior post was the real personal attack, and what was probably against forum rules and drew the warning from Dead, rather than the above anyway.
"It only creates more opportunity for people to exploit your ineptitude and stupidity."
People who make those kind of statements dont' stay around the forums long, so keep that stuff in check and hopefully we can have some good college basketball discussion in the future. :D
brizz
02-05-06, 11:39 AM
I must disagree. I did no such thing.
Josh said to me: "But I'm out, as I don't like to waste time arguing with homers."
I replied by explaining my allegiance to Duke, and then stated: "As for me being a homer...didn't you say you were a WV fan? Is that just in the past season or two when they got decent? Ohhhh, how cute."
I asked what his situation was (which he later explained his allegiance to WV, and that was that).
He blindly accused, I attempted to gather the information before throwing out remarks.
My tone is what it is because people are accusing me of things that are untrue. When talking about the sport of college basketball, I can often get passionate about the topic matter. I enjoy informative and eye-opening discussion without slander. Hopefully that is the direction this forum steers for the majority of its posts.
:lol: rotfl :lol:
uhm, yeah...i can see you're real dedicated to raising the level of discourse:
As for me being a homer...didn't you say you were a WV fan? Is that just in the past season or two when they got decent? Ohhhh, how cute.
Don't make statements about people when you don't know the validity of them. It only creates more opportunity for people to exploit your ineptitude and stupidity.
Listen noob....Josh has been here a long time, and a WVU fan a lot longer than that. don't come waltzing in here telling people to shut up and otherwise piling on because they slighted your beloved dookies - let alone accusing folk you don't know in the least of being bandwagon homers - that's what makes you a big fucking hypocrite. there was indeed plenty of stupidity in your exchanges, but not on Josh's part. If you can't see dead's point to that effect, then it may be hopeless.
in all honesty, if this is all you have to contribute on the topic of basketball, we have Dick Vitale on our tv's to give reddick his weekly BJs (and our own B.A. available here to pick up his slack. ;) )
brizz
02-05-06, 12:13 PM
You are wrong.
That is not what that term means. "Closing out games" means "doing what is necessary to win." Today for example, they closed out the game. In OT, they were able to rise up to a lead sufficient for them to get the W. They never led by a lot, and certainly didn't win comfortably.
Learn something kid...
fwiw: what Duke managed yesterday was not 'closing out a game' - it was 'escaping with a win.' - and barely at that. learn something indeed.
Josh H
02-05-06, 12:43 PM
fwiw: what Duke managed yesterday was not 'closing out a game' - it was 'escaping with a win.' - and barely at that. learn something indeed.
Exactly my point. :thumbsup:
In the standings, a win is a win. But when ranking teams, or assessing their title chances, how a team wins it's games (especially against mediocre competition) is a huge factor.
That's why I'd put Duke at least 4th on my current list of title favorites, and why, as much as I love the team, I don't think WVU will get any further than the Sweet 16 this year. They don't close out wins well enough, and escape with them too often. That will bite them in the tourney.
Josh H
02-05-06, 12:51 PM
Pitt up 35-28 @ Georgetown at the half.
Red Dog
02-05-06, 01:22 PM
I just think they have too much youth, and often struggle to close out games.
In the highly unlikely event that WVU could get to the title game, there's not another sure fire #1 seed I'd rather them go up against. We could match or exceed their threes, would force more turnovers and our experince would give us an edge.
Same thing if Duke runs into UCONN, Memphis or Villanova IMO.
Duke's a great team, they're just 4th on my list of title contenders, behind the 3 above teams right now.
I think you are putting a lot more emphasis on the last week than the entire season because I'm not sure where the 'often' comment comes in. Going back to the first VT game, it appears to me that they "struggled to close out" 5 games, 4 of which they came out with a W. That's 5 times in the last 16 games. In other words, they are getting a lot of blowouts.
Villanova has had similar problems, as they have "struggled to close out" 4 games, losing 2, in the same time.
Now stop making me argue for Duke.
Adam Tyner
02-05-06, 01:41 PM
The "Ohhh, how cute" part was making an assumption before I responded, which is what Dead was probably getting at.
...and what was probably against forum rules and drew the warning from Dead, rather than the above anyway.
If you can't see dead's point to that effect, then it may be hopeless.
Man, no love for DarkElf, a moderator who's doomed to forever lurk in an admin's shadow. :( :( :(
Red Dog
02-05-06, 01:45 PM
Now if one wants to talk about failing to close out games, I give you the Pitt Panthers. ;)
sjhoffm
02-05-06, 01:52 PM
And calling someone a homer isn't an insult, it's just saying that that person is too big a fan of said team to bother arguing with them as they're just going to tirelessly defend their team. So no need to get your panties in a bunch there. :D
Josh...come on buddy!! You can't honestly believe what you just wrote, can you? Do you call your family and friends "homers" and expect them to take it as kind-hearted jabbing? No...you don't (oops, sorry, didn't mean to make a baseless assumption).
All this shows me is that you don't respect me enough to even read my posts. In my first post on this thread I gave plenty of reasons why I thought Duke should be considered a contender. I followed up those reasons with facts, and backed up those facts with insight.
Please read my posts, and then we can carry on basketball conversation.
Red Dog
02-05-06, 01:55 PM
Now if one wants to talk about failing to close out games, I give you the Pitt Panthers. ;)
...and then G-Town tries to return the favor. :lol:
sjhoffm
02-05-06, 01:56 PM
Listen noob....Josh has been here a long time, and a WVU fan a lot longer than that. don't come waltzing in here telling people to shut up and otherwise piling on because they slighted your beloved dookies - let alone accusing folk you don't know in the least of being bandwagon homers - that's what makes you a big fucking hypocrite. there was indeed plenty of stupidity in your exchanges, but not on Josh's part. If you can't see dead's point to that effect, then it may be hopeless.
in all honesty, if this is all you have to contribute on the topic of basketball, we have Dick Vitale on our tv's to give reddick his weekly BJs (and our own B.A. available here to pick up his slack. ;) )
Alright brizz...educate me. Am I not allowed to defend "my team" on this forum? Are we as posters not allowed to root for a particular team/conference/region?
You appear to be suffering from the same problem Hinkle is going through. You are not reading my posts. I have given ample evidence as to why I felt Hinkle was incorrect in his assumption of Duke not being a contender. It's by far the most information I've seen on any post in this whole thread.
Read it, learn from it, then take a nap so your brain can digest the information...THEN we can continue with the college hoops talk...
Thank you, have a pleasant Sunday.
Dr_Evil
02-05-06, 02:00 PM
The term homer gets tossed around a lot around here. I would agree with Josh's assessment that it isn't an insult, just an observation that you aren't going to get an objective point of view about that team with that person.
edytwinky
02-05-06, 02:47 PM
rotfl
Any other year, KU would have given WSU the "shocker". Funny that this starts in a down year for KU.
I wouldn't be so sure. WSU has been a great mid-major the past couple years. KU's excuse has always been about money they'd lose playing against WSU as a non-conference game. Now they wouldn't even dare because of the thought of losing to BOTH in-state schools in the same year.
Tommy_Harn
02-05-06, 02:55 PM
Of course dook is a contender. They are just about every year. If they go into the NCAA's with only three or four loses, they'll be the top seed in the East (um, I mean, Philadelphia bracket). That'll probably mean they could go through to the final four without playing the teams that are most likely to give them trouble (UConn, Michigan State, Memphis, etc.). I also doubt that the NCAA would ever make their beloved dookies play a two seed Villanova in Philly.
Their toughest challenges in their bracket will probably be the one or two Big East Teams they are matched up with. After this thread, let's hope that West Virginia is one of them.
Red Dog
02-05-06, 02:58 PM
Of course dook is a contender. They are just about every year. If they go into the NCAA's with only three or four loses, they'll be the top seed in the East (um, I mean, Philadelphia bracket). That'll probably mean they could go through to the final four without playing the teams that are most likely to give them trouble (UConn, Michigan State, Memphis, etc.). I also doubt that the NCAA would ever make their beloved dookies play a two seed Villanova in Philly.
Their toughest challenges in their bracket will probably be the one or two Big East Teams they are matched up with. After this thread, let's hope that West Virginia is one of them.
I agree with everything except that Duke will probably be in the Atlanta bracket. UConn is the more natural fit in East/Wash DC (not Philly - that's a 1st/2nd round site) bracket.
Duke is probably 1st or 2nd on the S-Curve now, so unless Nova is 7th or 8th, they probably won't be in the same region.
Red Dog
02-05-06, 03:07 PM
Looks like it will be another Maryland-playing-only-one-half performance.
taa455
02-05-06, 03:54 PM
Amazing comeback win by Kansas. Oklahoma really lost its poise in that game. KU was down by 14 points with about 8 minutes to go.
Josh H
02-05-06, 04:06 PM
Alright brizz...educate me. Am I not allowed to defend "my team" on this forum? Are we as posters not allowed to root for a particular team/conference/region?
Certainly, but not by insulting those who disagree with you.
If I offended you buy calling you a homer, I apologize. I just was pointing out that I don't have time to waste arguing with people who will alwasy tirelessly defend their team.
But I'm done with this, and your off to my ignore user list to avoid future annoyances like this.
Josh H
02-05-06, 04:07 PM
I think you are putting a lot more emphasis on the last week than the entire season because I'm not sure where the 'often' comment comes in.
Fair point, I'm very "what have you done lately" when making these kind of assessments.
If Duke dominates throughout the ACC tourney, I'd move them up to one of my top 1 or 2 title favorites for instance.
The tourney is all about who is hot and playing the best those few weeks in March, not who had the best season.
ENDContra
02-06-06, 01:05 AM
Im sorry, but I think its funny that the guy thats calling someone a bandwagon homer is a Duke fan...everyone knows all of the Duke fans in North Carolina are bandwagon riders, all of the alumni are in New Jersey. Its easy to cheer for the frontrunner, but Id much rather cheer for the school I actually went to that I am actually a part of.
By the way, if youve watched enough ACC basketball, you know there is a set of rules for the blue teams and a set of rules for everyone else. Yeah, Dook escaped with a couple of wins this week, but it wasnt without a little help from their friends.
B.A.
02-06-06, 10:08 AM
W/ yesterday's win, SLU moved into a second-place tie in the A-10. :up:
And I think they have actually won three in a row! :banana:
ESUguy
02-06-06, 10:48 AM
Amazing comeback win by Kansas. Oklahoma really lost its poise in that game. KU was down by 14 points with about 8 minutes to go.
This was an absolutely amazing game. I was there, and the fieldhouse was rocking. Everyone got a bit deflated at the sloppy play, but they turned up the defense and pulled out the win.
Mopower
02-06-06, 10:56 AM
So when do the god damn rankings come out?
Josh H
02-06-06, 11:38 AM
Rankings come today, usually late afternoon/early evening.
brizz
02-06-06, 02:03 PM
Read it, learn from it, then take a nap so your brain can digest the information...THEN we can continue with the college hoops talk...
Thank you, have a pleasant Sunday.
wow, you must be a ton of fun at parties. all you've managed to do in your brief visit is insult everyone you've pointed a post at. boo fucking hoo....dook got dissed by someone....lighten the fuck up, and if you insult the intelligence of anyone else hear again, you are asking for a vacation jack.
B.A.
02-06-06, 03:23 PM
I question the intelligence of anyone who mis-spells the name "Duke." Even if they are lawyers, grad students and PhD candidates.
:p
Jeremy517
02-06-06, 04:16 PM
Crew that refereed the FSU-Duke game suspended (http://theacc.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/020606aaa.html)
sjhoffm
02-07-06, 04:01 PM
Im sorry, but I think its funny that the guy thats calling someone a bandwagon homer is a Duke fan...everyone knows all of the Duke fans in North Carolina are bandwagon riders, all of the alumni are in New Jersey. Its easy to cheer for the frontrunner, but Id much rather cheer for the school I actually went to that I am actually a part of.
By the way, if youve watched enough ACC basketball, you know there is a set of rules for the blue teams and a set of rules for everyone else. Yeah, Dook escaped with a couple of wins this week, but it wasnt without a little help from their friends.
Glad you started out your post with an apology. Pre-emptive apologies show intelligence, and I respect that.
First off, I live in South Carolina, and if you must know how I came to be a Duke fan it was because I have family friends who are from the Durham area and when I was young, they introduced me to the sport and the team. This was just before the Hurley-led era, and my dream was to be the next Bobby Hurley.
If you feel the need to knock a kid and his dream, so be it. I've explained already that I have stuck with Duke through good times and bad (when Collins ran the team...I mean, com on!).
This talk of ACC refs giving UNC and Duke preferential treatment is most often made by fans of any other ACC team...due to jealousy. That's not an accusation, just a fact I've picked up on...
sjhoffm
02-07-06, 04:09 PM
wow, you must be a ton of fun at parties. all you've managed to do in your brief visit is insult everyone you've pointed a post at. boo fucking hoo....dook got dissed by someone....lighten the fuck up, and if you insult the intelligence of anyone else hear again, you are asking for a vacation jack.
Who is this Jack you speak of?
I've tried to talk intelligently about college basketball. I succeeded, yet those reading chose to continue a debate rather than countering with viable evidence contrary to mine.
It's not my fault that people can't hold quality conversation in this forum...
DVD Josh
02-07-06, 04:44 PM
Duke sucks.
sjhoffm
02-07-06, 09:20 PM
Duke sucks.
DVD Josh: proving my point that intelligent conversation is impossible here.
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