If a player plays for more than one team in his career, who choses what team he gets inducted into the hall of fame with, The player or the hall of fame?
wildcatlh
01-24-06, 02:25 PM
The Hall of Fame chooses.
Used to be the player's choice. Changed, allegedly due to Wade Boggs having a clause in his contract with the Devil Rays that stated he'd go into the HoF with a Devil Rays cap (not sure if that was ever proven or not).
El Scorcho
01-24-06, 02:46 PM
Can't wait til Clemens gets in and they have to choose a cap.
He'll go in as a Red Sock and the whole city of Boston will be pissed off because they're still mad at him for bolting to Toronto and then the Yankees...
OR...
He'll go in as a Yankee and the whole city of Boston will be pissed off because he was a Boston legend for so long and is wearing the enemy's hat in Cooperstown forever.
He's burned so many bridges that it wouldn't surprise me to see him wearing a "I'm #1" hat.
Jericho
01-24-06, 03:08 PM
You can always go in sans a team. Clemens will be a Red Sox or nothing.
I think Dave Winfield also helped spur the change in policy. Supposedly he did some selling of his Hall of Fame cap.
Red Dog
01-24-06, 03:11 PM
You can always go in sans a team. Clemens will be a Red Sox or nothing.
I think Dave Winfield also helped spur the change in policy. Supposedly he did some selling of his Hall of Fame cap.
True, but at least the team (SD) he sold the 'cap' to has a legitimate claim of being home to a sizeable portion of his career.
davidh777
01-24-06, 03:20 PM
In the last throes of his career, wasn't Jose Canseco offering his Hall of Fame cap to any team foolish enough to sign him?
shacmasta
01-25-06, 06:10 AM
Can't wait til Clemens gets in and they have to choose a cap.
He'll go in as a Red Sock and the whole city of Boston will be pissed off because they're still mad at him for bolting to Toronto and then the Yankees....
Actually the red sox traded away clemens to the blue jays. The red sox gm at the time made the now famous mistake of saying clemens was in the twilight of his career. The red sox fans do have a legitimate beef over the yankee thing...but again, he was traded to them as well. All and all, he'll probably go in as a red sox.
Also, it was dave winfield that got the rule changed. The wade boggs situation also helped.
kmac2878
01-25-06, 07:55 AM
Actually the red sox traded away clemens to the blue jays. The red sox gm at the time made the now famous mistake of saying clemens was in the twilight of his career. The red sox fans do have a legitimate beef over the yankee thing...but again, he was traded to them as well. All and all, he'll probably go in as a red sox.
Also, it was dave winfield that got the rule changed. The wade boggs situation also helped.
Clemens wasn't traded by the Red Sox - he signed with the Blue Jays on December 13th, 1996:
Roger Clemens: Transactions (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/clemero02.shtml#TRANS)
shacmasta
01-25-06, 08:41 AM
Ah...i must've remembered the twilight of his career comment by then red sox gm duquette and assumed it was a trade.
El Scorcho
01-25-06, 12:44 PM
Actually the red sox traded away clemens to the blue jays. The red sox gm at the time made the now famous mistake of saying clemens was in the twilight of his career. The red sox fans do have a legitimate beef over the yankee thing...but again, he was traded to them as well. All and all, he'll probably go in as a red sox.
Also, it was dave winfield that got the rule changed. The wade boggs situation also helped.
Sox fans are just pissed off that he let himself get out of shape and turn into a mediocre pitcher, got himself a trade, and suddenly won two cy young awards. It's like your girlfriend turning into a fatass, you dumping her, and then she turns into a supermodel again.
Not to mention that (if I recall) one of his reasons for going to the Blue Jays was to play for a championship contender. :lol: I don't blame most of the city for hating the guy even to this day. He was full of shit since day 1.
Cameron
01-25-06, 12:50 PM
I think Clemens should wear a NY cap...
kenbuzz
01-25-06, 02:23 PM
In this day of rampant free agency, it's a crock if a player goes in wearing any team's cap unless he played 80-90% of his games with them, IMO.
It was easier in the 70's.... just induct all the Reds.
http://www.onlinesports.com/images/psc-177.jpg
Bench - Rose - Concepcion - Morgan - Perez - Foster - Geronimo - Griffey
wendersfan
01-25-06, 04:26 PM
In this day of rampant free agency, it's a crock if a player goes in wearing any team's cap unless he played 80-90% of his games with them, IMO.
It was easier in the 70's.... just induct all the Reds.
http://www.onlinesports.com/images/psc-177.jpg
Bench - Rose - Concepcion - Morgan - Perez - Foster - Geronimo - Griffey:up:
What a team!
(Shame about the pitching...)
Mad Dawg
01-25-06, 04:47 PM
Sox fans are just pissed off that he let himself get out of shape and turn into a mediocre pitcher, got himself a trade, and suddenly won two cy young awards. It's like your girlfriend turning into a fatass, you dumping her, and then she turns into a supermodel again.
Not to mention that (if I recall) one of his reasons for going to the Blue Jays was to play for a championship contender. :lol: I don't blame most of the city for hating the guy even to this day. He was full of shit since day 1.
Bingo. For all of the talk about Clemens' ungodly workout routine these days, he quit on Boston back then. And regardless of the fact that he was traded to the Yankees, he orchestrated that deal. He wanted out, and got the trade that he wanted.
Then I got the double whammy as a Houston resident, because he and his agent strung Houston along at the time to get NY moving on a contract extension, when there was never a chance that the Astros would be involved. Most of the city of Houston has forgiven in light of the last couple of years, and I have found myself defending and supporting him, but he is most certainly a bastard. Part of me hopes he leaves (and doesn't go back to Boston) so I can get back to unconditionally hating him.
He'll go into the HoF a Red Sox, though.
El Scorcho
01-25-06, 04:54 PM
He should go in the hall with a $ on his cap.
Mr. Cinema
01-25-06, 05:34 PM
I think he should wear a "I'm the best pitcher of all-time" cap.
shacmasta
01-25-06, 07:19 PM
Sox fans are just pissed off that he let himself get out of shape and turn into a mediocre pitcher, got himself a trade, and suddenly won two cy young awards. It's like your girlfriend turning into a fatass, you dumping her, and then she turns into a supermodel again.
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