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kvrdave
12-30-05, 05:28 PM
Did I mention I was a Christian? Christian artist, actually. God Bless you. I can tell you're an okay person. Do you mind if I put in a garden? Think I'll spend my own money and paint as well. That's what we Christians do. You're cool. I sense that. Rent? That's my number one priority being a Christian. I'm not late with rent, nosiree!

UGH! You would not believe how often people do this. They bend over backwards to tell you they are a Christian. Or they bend over backwards to tell you what they are going to do to improve the property. None of them ever smoke (or only outdoors) and no one has pets. Then they move in and they worship Satan while smoking with their pitbull.

I always wonder if they think I believe them. You don't really have to butter me up to get me to rent to you. I take chances on people. I let single mothers slide on rent without late fees. I want to help people. But don't blow smoke up my ass (unless I'm paying hard earned money for it).

You had me at "where's the ATM?" (tear)

nevermind
12-30-05, 05:29 PM
"where's the ATM?" (tear)
ass to mouth?

Probably the adult forum.

Bacon
12-30-05, 05:32 PM
ass to mouth?

:lol:

DVD Polizei
12-30-05, 05:35 PM
You need to make a sign and put it at the rental location.

1) Christian? I'm agnostic. Your money goes to the devil or little midget people who live on Mars for all I know.

2) You sense I'm a cool person? That's great. I'm flattered. Really. However, does God let people who are cool avoid judgment? 'Nuff said on that one.

3) You're going to fix up the place yourself and even use your own money to do it--because that's what Godly People do. Well, once again I'm flattered, but my job is being a landlord. I have more connections than you. However, if you do speak to God, ask him how to remove that skanky shitty greasy crap off the oven that Baby Jesus Tenants ALWAYS leave behind! He needs to share in this responsibility.

4) Welcome! I look forward to being your landlord.

mosquitobite
12-30-05, 05:42 PM
Then they move in and they worship Satan while smoking with their pitbull.

rotfl

VinVega
12-30-05, 05:54 PM
See, this is the problem with Christians and the Wretched Christian Sympathisers that inhabit this board!

;)

Bushdog
12-30-05, 06:00 PM
Do they know that you are Christian, or do they just think that it sells well in general?

Though I should admit, I picked my current heating and air company because they aren't just a company, they're a ministry, too. I figured there was a greater chance they'd just rip me off legitimately without ripping me off illegitimately.

kvrdave
12-30-05, 06:10 PM
Do they know that you are Christian, or do they just think that it sells well in general?

Though I should admit, I picked my current heating and air company because they aren't just a company, they're a ministry, too. I figured there was a greater chance they'd just rip me off legitimately without ripping me off illegitimately.

My honest belief is that they just say it thinking it is a good line to use. I don't think they necessarily know that I am. It isn't a secret, but this is generally when we first meet, and I generally don't include that in my greeting.

Bushdog
12-30-05, 06:16 PM
"Hi I love Christ and my name is Dog-Killer Slumlord Dave. And you are?"

The Bus
12-30-05, 06:40 PM
I'd be more distrustful of people like that. If they're buttering me up, it's for a reason.

kvrdave
12-30-05, 06:49 PM
"Hi I love Christ and my name is Dog-Killer Slumlord Dave. And you are?"

It doesn't come across well when you're sarcastic :grunt:

Brain Stew
12-30-05, 07:05 PM
I usually let my landlords know that I am Roman Catholic and will be setting up a regional cabal in the name of the Pope in my living room.

Artman
12-30-05, 07:15 PM
Ahhh Dave, if only you had posted earlier.... I just put down $$ elsewhere. I'll keep ya in mind next time around.

:)

Seeker
12-30-05, 07:40 PM
Same as the line in Les Miserables when the 'bad guys' say "It's just what good Christians must do."

As with anything - all lines can be abused, and abused badly.

B.A.
12-30-05, 07:45 PM
I usually let my landlords know that I am Roman Catholic and will be setting up a regional cabal in the name of the Pope in my living room.:lol: I was just going to say that I hope no one tells Dave that they are Catholic when they first meet him.

solipsta
12-30-05, 08:04 PM
My friend was just telling me about a story that her realtor friend told her. The realtor had almost completed everything on a sale and then the people that were selling to him checked over the paper and realized that he did the paperwork on a Sunday. They called the sale off and refused to sell to him, even after he offered $8000 more, because they felt he wasn't a decent Christian man...craziness!

I know it's not the same thing, but it's close enough that I'm posting it here. :)

Brain Stew
12-30-05, 08:08 PM
That's nuts. Were they buying or renting? If it was renting, I'd be glad I got a chance to see how different the landlord was. Better to get those things out of the way immediate IMO.

movielib
12-30-05, 11:28 PM
If you rented to my wife and me you'd get: no smoking, no drinking, no pets, no kids, no loud music, nothing to kill or die for and no religion too.

Sounds like landlord heaven. Imagine there's no heaven. It's easy if you try. I'll stop now.

Numanoid
12-30-05, 11:51 PM
If you rented to my wife and me you'd get: no smoking, no drinking, no pets, no kids, no loud music, nothing to kill or die for and no religion too.Man, you atheists are some dull people.

movielib
12-30-05, 11:54 PM
Man, you atheists are some dull people.
Well, there are the goat sacrifices.

NotThatGuy
12-31-05, 12:08 AM
I HATE people who feel the need to tell everyone that they are (fill in religion here). It is one thing to be proud of your religion, it is another thing to use it as some sort of badge and/or explaination to how you are as a person. Most 'real' christians I know don't need to profess it, they just live it.

-p

Sonicflood
12-31-05, 08:47 AM
Just reply... Great, we don't discriminate, so let's see how that credit report looks and if the references check out and you may just have a new place to live.

I despise people do that. If you have to bring it up immediately, I'm suspect.

I also think it's wrong to advertise being a Christian. I've crossed paths with many deceitful "Christians" who start up a business, use the fish symbol* in their ads, business cards, magnetic signs, etc and expect the world to "forgive" them when they screw you over. I had a personal experience with this with a maintenance company that did work for us and they stole & lied to us. We even had a tenant do the same thing and trashed one of our rentals & left town.

Trust me.. use the above statement and it will be in your best interest! Incidentally, I've had many great Christian tenants and never knew about it until the mentioned it later or I saw them in Church.

*http://www.religioustolerance.org/christ1.gif

kvrdave
12-31-05, 02:31 PM
Like I said, I take chances and rent to people most wouldn't. This will work out, or it won't. :lol:

HistoryProf
12-31-05, 02:46 PM
Like I said, I take chances and rent to people most wouldn't. This will work out, or it won't. :lol:
i'll take a smoking satanist any day over those damned christians.

they probably say it so they can claim religious discrimination when you turn them down because of their atrocious credit. :)

kvrdave
12-31-05, 02:59 PM
Don't know that I have seen people with credit so bad that I wouldn't rent to them. :lol:

I don't bother pulling thier credit. Most don't even have a checking account.

Lord Rick
12-31-05, 06:28 PM
4) Welcome! I look forward to being your landlord.

I for one welcome our new Christian landlord overlords.

Fincher Fan
01-01-06, 02:05 PM
I like to dance around in my underwear to a burning effigy in the front yard. Can I rent from you?

kvrdave
01-01-06, 02:15 PM
Sure, at least your up front about it.

Fincher Fan
01-01-06, 02:21 PM
And I like clown porn.

kvrdave
01-01-06, 02:24 PM
:lol:

movielib
01-01-06, 02:44 PM
Imagine there's no heaven. It's easy if you try.
In fact, it is the hardest thing you can attempt to imagine.
One doesn't have to imagine reality.

talemyn
01-01-06, 03:47 PM
Same as the line in Les Miserables when the 'bad guys' say "It's just what good Christians must do."

As with anything - all lines can be abused, and abused badly.While we're on the topic of lines being abused badly, that's "It's no more than we Christians must do." -ohbfrank-





;)

talemyn
01-01-06, 03:51 PM
If you rented to my wife and me you'd get: no smoking, no drinking, no pets, no kids, no loud music, nothing to kill or die for and no religion too.

Sounds like landlord heaven. Imagine there's no heaven. It's easy if you try. I'll stop now.Troublemaker . . . http://www.mindspring.com/~boycekb/images/Smilies/NutKick.gif





:lol:

movielib
01-01-06, 03:55 PM
But if physical reality is nothing more than the product of our senses and understanding, how can we then dismiss the moral reality that similarly must arise from our moral sense?
Physical reality is not a product of our senses and understanding. Physical reality is and we perceive it through our senses.

And just because your moral sense demands the existence of a heaven (mine doesn't) that doesn't make it so.

talemyn
01-01-06, 04:00 PM
Is this the first time that V_I has crossed swords with you, movielib? He seems a little new to it. ;)

Artman
01-01-06, 05:11 PM
Preach it Vandelay, preach it!!

:rock2:

movielib
01-01-06, 06:52 PM
That is incorrect. "The understanding does not derive its laws from, but prescribes them to nature".
You and I live in different universes. :lol:

If "the understanding" is human understanding then I would like to see evidence of how we "prescribe nature" (which has been around some 13 billion years). Can we all get together and "prescribe" the Law of Gravity out of existence 'cause it sure can be a pain sometimes.

If "the understanding" is "divine" or "supernatural" then one can only take that on faith and I can't argue with it.

Or are you putting me on?

Since you put the second sentence of your post in quotes does it come from somewhere? Is it a song lyric or something? I often miss those references because I pretty much stopped listening to most music in about 1973. :)

Edit: Ahh, I looked it up: Kant! I guess my cultural literacy IQ just went down a few points, not recognizing this. I don't live in his universe either.

Heaven is a little too denominational for my taste. But there must be a reality from which our moral sense beckons.
My morality is derived totally from the physical universe. It tells me humans have rights and all humans' rights should be the same. That tells me that people have the right to live as they want as long as they do not interfere with the identical rights of others to live as they want (which usually means people have the right to live as they want as long as they do not initiate force or fraud or the threat of force against others). I needed no god to come up with this (although Ayn Rand and several others helped me see this) and indeed, I don't think any religion has ever come up with as good of a root moral principle.

In any event, as I said, we live in different universes. It may be an oversimplification but you seem to be basically a Platonist and I am basically an Aristotelian.

movielib
01-01-06, 06:58 PM
Is this the first time that V_I has crossed swords with you, movielib? He seems a little new to it. ;)
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=443917&

talemyn
01-01-06, 07:10 PM
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=443917&h, that's in the Politics Forum . . . who ever goes in there? -ohbfrank-



;)

movielib
01-01-06, 07:17 PM
h, that's in the Politics Forum . . . who ever goes in there? -ohbfrank-



;)
Only a few brave (or crazy) "souls" dare venture in its slimy depths.

kvrdave
01-01-06, 07:45 PM
Okay, I'm evicting both of you. :grunt:

talemyn
01-01-06, 07:53 PM
Okay, I'm evicting both of you. :grunt:Religious intolerance is an ugly, ugly thing . . . -ohbfrank-

movielib
01-01-06, 08:03 PM
movielib, let's see if your theory can answer a simple question: can you think of a triangle without having a concept of space?
Actually, with a triangle, all you need are two dimensions (a plane). A pyramid, now... we need 3 dimensional space.

I must be slow because I am not following you. Are you saying it is our [i]concept[/] of space that makes pyramids possible (or possible for us to think of?)? I say the existence of space is what makes our perception of it possible which then makes us able to derive the concept of space and pyramids.

movielib
01-01-06, 08:06 PM
Okay, I'm evicting both of you. :grunt:
Fine! Who wants to live in Hicksville anyway? :p

But I was going to carve triangles on that deck I was going to build. That's my only regret. :sad:

darkside
01-01-06, 08:37 PM
I have a few employees at work that like to tell me about their church activities all the time and stress how much time they spend "doing Gods work". Don't know if there is any kind of motive to it and don't care. I'm fine with it as long as they are also finishing all the work the company is paying them for or my athiest ass will fire them in a heartbeat.

DodgingCars
01-01-06, 09:14 PM
I see just as many people doing the same to tell you they are an atheist.

Not if they're a Boy Scout!

;)

movielib
01-01-06, 10:26 PM
Exactly. We can "see" what our understanding enables us to see. You can't think of a triangle without the concept of space, or causality without the concept of time. Our understanding, through which we experience reality, and reason, with which we manipulate the objects derived from experience, both posit the world before us.
Well, triangles (or, rather, pyramids), can only exist in 3 dimensional space and causality requires the passage of time, so if the universe did not contain time or space, neither could it contain pyramids or causality. I fail to see what we have to do with it. All we've done is figure this out. Seems like a big "so what" to me.

In the same sense, our morality cannot be conceived as a fluke in a world of matter indifferent to it, but must put forward a reality coherent with its postulates in the same way that our reason and understanding do.
In the same sense as the first part doesn't make sense? I simply fail to follow this at all. I have no trouble deriving morality within an indifferent universe. And our morality isn't a "fluke." Again, we've figured it out (although there is far from 100% agreement on it).

The above is, to a degree, the arguments made by Immanuel Kant in his "Critique of Pure Reason", and the "Critique of Practical Reason", respectively. My previous quote is from the first critique.
All I can say is that this is all amounts to pure and practical gobbledygook to me. Can you explain it to my pea-sized brain so I could understand how it makes any sense?

(If you go back to my Post #41 you will see that I edited it to say I found the quote was from Kant.)

Fincher Fan
01-02-06, 12:58 AM
You guys are fucking with my mind. I no longer believe in triangles.

kvrdave
01-02-06, 01:39 AM
<img src=http://archives.cnn.com/2000/LAW/scotus/10/02/scotus.cheers.ap/story.scotus.cheers.cliff.jpg>
"Actually, that's a misnomer. It's not really a triangle at all. It's more of a trapahedarhomboid."

mndtrp
01-02-06, 02:06 AM
I thought we were talking about smoking pitbulls. What happened here?

naughty jonny
01-02-06, 05:17 AM
The above is, to a degree, the arguments made by Immanuel Kant

But also remember that Immanuel Kant was a real pissant who was very rarely stable. :D

movielib
01-02-06, 07:27 AM
You don't know what the universe is; you only know what your mind is capable of putting before you. Thus the laws of nature exist not in the world itself, but in the mechanisms of the understanding through which you assemble reality, and without which no experience is possible. Causality, time, space, substance, all are features of your conscience, not of a world separate from yourself.

From there you can then question what other worlds does your mind give rise to, and since I can't conceive of myself without morality anymore than without the concepts of time or space, I conclude that a moral world must also exist.
The fact that we need our minds to attempt to understand the world in no way implies or necessitates that there is not a universe independent of our minds. If no intelligent life (or no life at all) existed would the universe not exist? I'm quite confident it would go along its merry way with its space, time, causality and substance with or without us.

Anyway, time to agree to disagree. We've been going in circles from the beginning and I see no sign of that ending.

Gil Jawetz
01-02-06, 10:00 AM
Yeah, boy do I hate decks.

movielib
01-02-06, 10:46 AM
So you don't wanna play anymore? :(
I thought I'd like to do something more pleasant like poking myself in the eye with a sharp stick. ;)

I can get three of those sticks with the triangle I'm cutting out of the deck I'm building. :)

movielib
01-02-06, 10:56 AM
You guys are fucking with my mind. I no longer believe in triangles.
Since, strictly speaking, triangles are only two dimensional, they don't exist in the real world. :up:

kvrdave
01-02-06, 11:02 AM
So this is what it feels like when I do this to other threads. :lol:

movielib
01-02-06, 11:09 AM
So this is what it feels like when I do this to other threads. :lol:
You can have one of my sticks if it will make you feel better. :)

Bandoman
01-03-06, 10:05 AM
Then they move in and they worship Satan while smoking with their pitbull.



Amateurs

Tell me about it. I would be worshipping my pitbull and smoking with Satan. -ohbfrank-



I read Kant in college, and I never understood him. Just because we can conceive of something doesn't mean it exists, and just because we can't conceive if something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The fact that I subscribe to a certain set of morals doesn't mean that the universe operates in accordance with those rules. Morals and physical reality are different - as thinking beings, we create our set of moral rules and guidelines. There seem to be some to which a majority of people agree (i.e., killing other people is generally bad, with some expections), but no one set of morals is universally applied.

If only my conceptualization could affect reality.

[Bando closes his eyes an imagines a naked Ashley Judd appearing in his office.]

[Bando opens eyes.]


Nope. Damn. :sad:

NotThatGuy
01-03-06, 10:35 AM
I've read all of the 'classic' philosophers and though it makes for some interesting reading, I find discussing it to be as productive as a dog trying to chase its own tail.....sure it may SEEM like a good idea in the beginning, but you don't really go anywhere, and everyone else is just looking at you like, "Dude...it is your tail, you are running in a circle, and wouldn't you rather be eating, sleeping, or licking your balls?"

-p

talemyn
01-03-06, 10:42 AM
I've read all of the 'classic' philosophers and though it makes for some interesting reading, I find discussing it to be as productive as a dog trying to chase its own tail.....sure it may SEEM like a good idea in the beginning, but you don't really go anywhere, and everyone else is just looking at you like, "Dude...it is your tail, you are running in a circle, and wouldn't you rather be eating, sleeping, or licking your balls?"

-pHmmmmmmm . . . http://www.mindspring.com/~boycekb/images/Smilies/Thinking.gif

[adds pedagogue to list of 'classic' philosophers to read]

movielib
01-03-06, 11:26 AM
If only my conceptualization could affect reality.

[Bando closes his eyes an imagines a naked Ashley Judd appearing in his office.]

[Bando opens eyes.]


Nope. Damn. :sad:
Hadst thou faith but the size of a mustard seed thou couldst materialize a naked Ashley Judd in thine office.

Bandoman
01-03-06, 11:27 AM
If that were true I'd be the most religious person on the face of the planet.

Xander
01-03-06, 01:08 PM
Is anyone else skipping over movielib's and Vandalay's posts and reading the responses from other posters. :)

Roto
01-03-06, 01:39 PM
I thought we were talking about smoking pitbulls. What happened here?
smoking with pitbulls. Only Dave smokes the pitbulls.

movielib
01-03-06, 04:09 PM
Is anyone else skipping over movielib's and Vandalay's posts and reading the responses from other posters. :)
I know I am. :wave:

NotThatGuy
01-03-06, 04:14 PM
Is anyone else skipping over movielib's and Vandalay's posts and reading the responses from other posters. :)

Yup.

-p

kvrdave
01-03-06, 05:26 PM
I rented to her. Met the daughters and they are really sweet kids. I have high hopes for this so far. But she has still give far too many "correct" answers for me to trust her. :lol: