Yeee haw. Another month of comics has come and gone, so it's time to make a switch to a new thread. But be careful, don't talk about anything else or we'll get locked.
Anyone pick up the new Absolute Crisis on Infinite Earths? I surely wanted it, but man, $100 is a little hefty. Thing that sucks is that there's a good chance this sucker sells out like Watchmen did. If so, there's no time like the present to make a purchase.
I didn't spot the new Red Sonja trade, so I was unable to pick it up. Anyone nab it?
MBoyd
11-30-05, 04:58 PM
COIE was $55 on DCBS back in July. Look for it on Amazon if you want it now. I think Watchmen will get a new printing. On another message board they are saying all the absolutes so far have been kept in print.
bishop2knight
11-30-05, 05:22 PM
COIE was $55 on DCBS back in July. Look for it on Amazon if you want it now. I think Watchmen will get a new printing. On another message board they are saying all the absolutes so far have been kept in print.
Hmmm, my sources say otherwise. I'll have to look into this further.
MBoyd
11-30-05, 05:32 PM
I've been reading this board. It's for both the DC and Marvel books. These guys are really into the collected editions. I think there is a thread on Watchmen in the DC section. If anyone wants to keep up with collected comics in hard and softcover form this site is a must read.
http://p206.ezboard.com/bmarvelmasterworksfansite
Liquid Death
11-30-05, 08:03 PM
I thought Absolute Authority Vol 1 was OOP (or maybe it was reprinted) - it was mighty pricey on eBay for a long time.
dadaluholla
11-30-05, 08:27 PM
Anyone pick up Tales Designed To Thrizzle by Michael Kupperman? He did that Snake N Bacon book. There is some funny funny stuff in there. I think its from Fantagraphics.
MBoyd
11-30-05, 09:31 PM
There's a guy on ebay according to that other message board who has 98 copies of Watchmen at a buy it now for $33. Wonder if these are some of that batch that got returned for having too much glue on them.
Patman
11-30-05, 09:59 PM
Don't forget the $17.82 for shipping and $5.72 for required insurance!!!
kevin75
11-30-05, 10:23 PM
I've been reading this board. It's for both the DC and Marvel books. These guys are really into the collected editions. I think there is a thread on Watchmen in the DC section. If anyone wants to keep up with collected comics in hard and softcover form this site is a must read.
http://p206.ezboard.com/bmarvelmasterworksfansite
yeah, as a longtime member over there, it's a treasure trove of knowledge and nice people too!!
Chew
12-01-05, 05:55 AM
But be careful, don't talk about anything else or we'll get locked.
Oooh, good price. I'll still need to wait...can't afford this gift for me when I have Christmas presents to deliver.
New books are up on DCBS. And I have a question. For the new Warlord, they have the regular book for 75 cents. But they have a second one for $1.49. The first is code DEC050281 and the second DEC050281A. Anyone have any idea what the difference is? I've seen different codes and prices before, but the second never has an image and I have no idea what it is.
bishop2knight
12-01-05, 06:56 AM
So, since it's nearing the end of the year, I was thinking it'd be cool to devote a chunk of this thread to making a list of the Best Comic Books of 2005.
If you can, jot down a few of your favorite titles in these categories. I'll do some tabulations along the way. If nothing else, it'll give us all more books to try.
Best On-Going Title
Best Mini
Best Collected Trade
Best Original Graphic Novel
Publisher of the Year
Writer of the Year
Artist of the Year
(Those are the ones I can think of...if you have others, well, the more the merrier.)
Chew
12-01-05, 07:22 AM
New books are up on DCBS. And I have a question. For the new Warlord, they have the regular book for 75 cents. But they have a second one for $1.49. The first is code DEC050281 and the second DEC050281A. Anyone have any idea what the difference is? I've seen different codes and prices before, but the second never has an image and I have no idea what it is.
I've always wondered that myself. Maybe if you order one it's the $.75 price and if you want a second copy, you have to order the $1.49?
MBoyd
12-01-05, 07:34 AM
I think the 1.49 button is used if you want to order more than 2 copies. If you want the two covers you can use the .75 button and get both.
bishop2knight
12-01-05, 07:42 AM
I didn't even know there were two covers. Maybe I'll shoot them an email.
MBoyd
12-01-05, 09:06 AM
well I could be wrong, but in the past when there has been 2 buttons and 2 prices there have always been 2 covers. That's what I'm basing my assumption on. I'm pretty sure they lose money on the .75 comics and thats why the limit is 2.
exharrison
12-01-05, 10:17 AM
What makes the absolute crisis absolute? Is it all the parts of the crisis and supporting stories?
Chew
12-01-05, 10:19 AM
What makes the absolute crisis absolute? Is it all the parts of the crisis and supporting stories?
All of the supporting stories would be a pretty huge book! Maybe they should do a companion Showcase collecting them or something?
Now this landmark series gets the star treatment in CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS: THE ABSOLUTE EDITION — an oversized slipcased set containing two hardcover books. The 368-page Book One includes the full 12-issue maxiseries (which was painstakingly restored and meticulously recolored in 1998), with an introduction by Marv Wolfman, afterword by Dick Giordano, and creator bios. George Pérez provides all-new art for the dustjacket. (Please note that the Monitor Tapes section from issue #10 will be shot from the original art for this issue and represented in its original form.)
The 96-page Book Two contains a compendium featuring the full behind-the-scenes story on the years-long making of the maxiseries complete with memos, notes, original plots and commentary from Marv Wolfman and Jerry Ordway; the Official Index to Crisis and Official Index to Crisis Crossovers being reprinted for the very first time, completely updated; a look into post-Crisis events and aftermath stories, how the Superboy/Legion conundrum was solved, and a look at the 20th anniversary of this seminal event. George Pérez provides all-new art for the dustjacket.
http://www.dccomics.com/graphic_novels/?gn=4203
exharrison
12-01-05, 10:33 AM
All of the supporting stories would be a pretty huge book! Maybe they should do a companion Showcase collecting them or something?
http://www.dccomics.com/graphic_novels/?gn=4203
Yeah, I'm not entirely sure how much they devoted to the crisis. I completely missed it as it took place a year after I was born. I've been interested in reading it, but somewhat confused on where to start as it seems there is crisis on infinite earths, crisis on multiple earths(which is what I was referring to as supporting stories), and who knows what else.
Thanks for the info and link. Somehow it didn't occur to me to check out DC's website.
Rogue588
12-01-05, 11:29 AM
There's a guy on ebay according to that other message board who has 98 copies of Watchmen at a buy it now for $33. Wonder if these are some of that batch that got returned for having too much glue on them.Didn't see any...
Chew
12-01-05, 11:35 AM
Didn't see any...
Not on the auction portion, but on the store portion of the site here:
ah ha....and under "Fiction Books" too...silly me.
Thanks Chew.
Daryl
12-01-05, 12:26 PM
I've always wondered that myself. Maybe if you order one it's the $.75 price and if you want a second copy, you have to order the $1.49?
exactly. If you want up to 2, you can get them for .75. Anything more than that will cost you the 1.49 price
bishop2knight
12-01-05, 01:56 PM
For those who have read the original Crisis that is an Absolute book now:
1) Is it "worth" $65+ if the Absolute version doesn't include crossovers?
2) Will someone who only knows a tiny bit about the old DC characters understand the story?
3) Are there other versions of the book that would be considered a better value?
MBoyd
12-01-05, 01:57 PM
Well here is James' list . . . I'm sure most will come up with better stuff than I will. I only read the comic equivalent of pop music anyway.
Best On-Going Title
The Ultimates count in this section?
Best Mini
I want to say Infinite Crisis, but since it's not completed how about Villains United.
Best Collected Trade
Looks like it's going to be Absolute Crisis on Infinite Earths
Best Original Graphic Novel
Gotta leave it blank.
Publisher of the Year
DC hands down.
Writer of the Year
Geoff Johns for his hand in reshaping the DCU
Artist of the Year
I'm digging the art in Infinite Crisis so far so how about Phil Jiminez
Chew
12-01-05, 02:07 PM
For those who have read the original Crisis that is an Absolute book now:
1) Is it "worth" $65+ if the Absolute version doesn't include crossovers?
2) Will someone who only knows a tiny bit about the old DC characters understand the story?
3) Are there other versions of the book that would be considered a better value?
1) IMO, the series is pretty well self-contained. You won't really need the crossovers. They flesh out the story more than anything. Just like the current "Crisis".
2) I don't think you're going to have nearly as much appreciation of the story and it's actual affect on the DC universe if all you've ever read is "post-Crisis" stuff. That doesn't change the fact that it's a good read.
3) Yeah, my tpb copy. :lol:
I would stop reading Infinite Crisis right now since you plan on reading CoIE. You'll appreciate both better. :)
Sierra Disc
12-01-05, 05:22 PM
Anyone pick up Tales Designed To Thrizzle by Michael Kupperman? He did that Snake N Bacon book. There is some funny funny stuff in there. I think its from Fantagraphics.
Yeah, I love his work. The <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0380807904/104-2610773-5272736">Snake and Bacon's Cartoon Cabaret</a> is fantastic, and "Thrizzle" (despite the awful title) is good so far. The guy has such a skewed sense of humor, but it works ("The adventures of ... The Manister! Half man, half banister!")
Rocketdog2000
12-01-05, 09:16 PM
Ok...
Best On-Going Title
JSA
Best Mini
Villians United, since it's too early to say Infinite Crisis. That, or Green Lantern:Rebirth.
Best Collected Trade
Out of one's I bought... Batman/Superman:Supergirl or New Teen Titans:Who is Donna Troy?
Best Original Graphic Novel
didn't read any 'original' ones this year.
Publisher of the Year
DC - without a doubt
Writer of the Year
Geoff Johns
Artist of the Year
Tough call, but I think I'll give it to Ethan Van Sciver for his (always) excellent work on Green Lantern:Rebirth, and the current ongoing series.
MBoyd
12-01-05, 11:01 PM
Just checked my DCBS order on DHL's site - comes in at a whopping 21 pounds!
Chew
12-02-05, 06:01 AM
Delayed shipment email still didn't stop it from arriving on the regular day! :banana:
Edit: by far my lowest DCBS order total last night, only $75! Not much of interest coming out that month, I guess.
ytrez
12-02-05, 07:27 AM
Haven't read any new releases but I did read the 1st collection of the new Black Panther series. I wasn't too impressed by the writing though some of the ideas were good. Romita Jr. & Janson their usual good work.
I just cracked open the Spirit Archives Vol. 1 and am excited about that. I've read the Spirit at various times through Kitchen Sink's reprints over the years but never got to go all the way back to the beginning. Can't wait to dive in.
bishop2knight
12-03-05, 07:54 AM
I think the 1.49 button is used if you want to order more than 2 copies. If you want the two covers you can use the .75 button and get both.
This is the correct answer. You order two of 'em, you use the .75 button. You order any more than that, you start using the 1.49 button too.
There's not other covers on this one.
Graftenberg
12-03-05, 08:11 AM
After using Mile High Comics for about 5 years I'm switching over to DCBS after having heard so much about it here and checking out their prices I just couldn't pass it up. :up:
MBoyd
12-03-05, 08:45 AM
Way to go. I don't think you will regret it.
kevin75
12-03-05, 08:52 AM
yeah, mile high doesn't hold the appeal for me it once did. since they took away the big discounts on their collected editions and started charging shipping per book, it takes away any good deal. and their individual comics prices are so jacked up usually that that kills that too.
lukewarmwater
12-03-05, 12:12 PM
Best On-Going Title
TIE
Solo
Usagi Yojimbo
Best Mini
TIE
We3
Smoke
Best Collected Trade
We3
Best Original Graphic Novel
TIE
Black Hole
Scott Pilgrim
Publisher of the Year
Vertigo
Writer of the Year
Grant Morrison
Artist of the Year
James Jean
Favorite Single Issue
Fell #2
Favorite New Series
Fell
Comic Most Deserving of More Attention
Usagi Yojimbo
Favorite Online Comic
Penny Arcade
Favorite Cover Artist
James Jean
Favorite Talent Deserving Wider Attention
TIE
Stan Sakai
Kyle Baker
bishop2knight
12-03-05, 02:52 PM
For those still leary of DCBS, here’s a breakdown of my latest DCBS order. I'm doing this to show you what kind of discounts you might expect. Your results may vary, but the more you buy, the more you save.
Total comics purchased - 31 (plus one trade at 50% off)
Total cover price - $115.04
Total DCBS price before shipping - $68.32
Plus monthly shipping ($7.95) - $76.27
Plus twice a month shipping ($4) - $80.27
Total payment for comics this month: $80.27
Total cover price - $115.04
Total savings - $34.77 (I also add mylites/full-back combos, which are 50 cents each)
So after shipping, I save a little more than $1 per book. At Mile High (my LCS), I generally save about 20 - 35 cents a book on my pull list. So on this order, my Mile High cost would be about $107 (or a bit more). So I save about $27 or more by using DCBS.
That's not a huge savings. But that $27 sure goes a long way to buying other comics or going out with my wife or whatever. And since I'm on a monthly budget for all of my spending, any savings is a very good thing.
Graftenberg
12-03-05, 03:08 PM
For the order I got from Mile High last month I had 28 books for a total with shipping of $83.87.
The order I just placed today I ordered 45 books + bags and boards with shipping: $95.85.:banana:
innocentfreak
12-03-05, 04:31 PM
Ugh I am so tempted to get back into comics but I got into the bad habit of buying without reading. I am sure I still have books laying around I haven't read.
Is there anywhere I can just get a previews shipped to me? I would love to browse and see if there are any titles that even interest me. The problem I have is the local shop is a good distance away to browse or even pick one up.
MBoyd
12-03-05, 04:46 PM
http://www.dcbservice.com/ has the same synopsis Previews does with every title. Browse around their site.
Fincher Fan
12-03-05, 11:29 PM
I used to be a big X-fan back in the day but hadn't looked at an issue in some time. I saw a copy of Uncanny #466 recently and flicked through it which brings me to my next point. What the fuck is wrong with the artwork?! Seriously! It looks like they gave a coked-up child a box of crayons. The proportions of the characters are all wrong and not in the good, exaggerated-breasts sense. The colours are all round just horrible. This book looks like shit. Is this a temporary thing or is the way the book has been looking for a while?
bishop2knight
12-04-05, 08:37 AM
I actually like Bachalo's art. Bought this issue just to enjoy it in fact. To each his own I suppose.
JasonF
12-05-05, 01:17 AM
I used to be a big X-fan back in the day but hadn't looked at an issue in some time. I saw a copy of Uncanny #466 recently and flicked through it which brings me to my next point. What the fuck is wrong with the artwork?! Seriously! It looks like they gave a coked-up child a box of crayons. The proportions of the characters are all wrong and not in the good, exaggerated-breasts sense. The colours are all round just horrible. This book looks like shit. Is this a temporary thing or is the way the book has been looking for a while?
What's "Back in the Day?" When I think of X-Men, I think Dave Cockrum and John Byrne (even though I didn't start reading until later). I read when guys like Silvestri and Lee were drawing and liked them at the time, but like their X-Men work less now that I look back on it. On the other hand, I hated John Romita Jr. when I was a kid and love him now. And then after I stopped reading, you had guys like Joe Madieura (never liked him) and Andy Kubert (he was good) and Carlos Pacheco (I think his X-Men stuff was terrible, but I like his work on Avengers Forever that he was doing at about the same time. Go figure.)
As for Bacchalo, I haven't seen his X-Men stuff, but I enjoyed his run on Shade the Changing Man from about 15 years ago. Definitely not to everyone's taste, though.
Have you checked out Astonishing X-Men? That has art by John Cassady, who's got a clean-line style that's very different from Bacchalo's.
Giantrobo
12-05-05, 04:01 AM
With all due respect to my comic loving brothers here....
Can we make a seperate thread for all the <b>Online Comics Store</b> shi...stuff?
I mean I hardly come in here anymore because this is all the "Monthly comic threads" have become...."Look how much I saved!"..."My package..(he he he ;) )...Was 29 lbs this month!!"..."I spent $12,000 on comics this month, I saved $3,000 thanks to XXXXcomicstore.com, and I also saved 75% on my car insurance by switching to GIECO!!!" Ok, that last one was a joke. But you know what I mean.
All the talk of heroes, stories, and other stuff directly related to comics is just a sidebar at this point.
Rogue588
12-05-05, 04:11 AM
It could be worse.
We could be talking sports. :p
But, i'm glad i'm not the only one thinking that. Then again, perhaps we should have two separate threads...one for people who get their stuff monthly through the mail and the other for those of us that buy our stuff weekly. Actually, that'd probably be a bad idea. Wouldn't want to clog up Book Talk :D
Todd B.
12-05-05, 05:25 AM
Continued from last month's thread...
Michael Golden did some amazing Batman (and related) work way back when. Really? I had no idea. I'll have to look that stuff up. There's another great talent I wish were still in the biz.
I was also a big fan of Shawn Martinbrough on Detective. Good call. I was disappointed when Dixon and Nolan left 'Tec. But then I really enjoyed Rucka and Martinbrough's run. I liked the experimental color scheme. It certainly made it stand out.
Todd B.
12-05-05, 05:28 AM
Not a major spoiler, as it won't be permanent. A long-running franchise book like Spider-Man will never have a major permanent change to it that would affect marketed properties. Tell that to this guy:
Issue #3 was another good story. Well worth the $1.99 cover price.
bishop2knight
12-05-05, 07:15 AM
I missed the boat. I finally got around to reading The Dark Knight Returns and you know, I wasn't terribly impressed. I'm thinking this was groundbreaking stuff back in the day. But now, after years of "dark" comics, the book was pretty much ho hum. And pretty poorly drawn to boot.
Chew
12-05-05, 07:25 AM
It's time you turned in your "comic-book fan" membership card. -ohbfrank-
;):p
bishop2knight
12-05-05, 07:51 AM
It's time you turned in your "comic-book fan" membership card. -ohbfrank-
;):p
Hahaha. I know. When the book hit, I wasn't a comic fan so I never picked it up. Then I kept procrastinating because I didn't think it would live up to the hype. And, well, it didn't. Well, it did...kinda. But it didn't blow me away.
MBoyd
12-05-05, 09:35 AM
I was 15 years old and all over DKR when it came out. And then I reread it every few years and always found something new in it for me or something I didn't notice before. It's dense nature seems to encourage this. I'm eagerly awaiting the inevitable Absolute because I know it will feel new all over again to me.
Now Strikes Again I read for the first time just this past summer. Took some time to get used to. I went in with such low expectations that anything would be an improvement. I liked it, but not as much as Returns. I would read it again.
Perhaps, I just appreciate the political satire more than others maybe. I've noticed that comic readers on the message boards (not here) have been fairly conservative as of late and tend to be critical of writers who weave political themes into their yarns. I think that is at the root of the criticisms against Strikes Again online.
And sorry Giantrobo about us discussing the online stores. It's just so exciting to talk about bargains. You know how it is - I mean we don't get any DVD Bargains anymore. It think the store discussion could merit a thread of its own. Or maybe we could just promise to discuss it more sparingly.
bishop2knight
12-05-05, 10:06 AM
I was 15 years old and all over DKR when it came out. And then I reread it every few years and always found something new in it for me or something I didn't notice before. It's dense nature seems to encourage this. I'm eagerly awaiting the inevitable Absolute because I know it will feel new all over again to me.
Now Strikes Again I read for the first time just this past summer. Took some time to get used to. I went in with such low expectations that anything would be an improvement. I liked it, but not as much as Returns. I would read it again.
Perhaps, I just appreciate the political satire more than others maybe. I've noticed that comic readers on the message boards (not here) have been fairly conservative as of late and tend to be critical of writers who weave political themes into their yarns. I think that is at the root of the criticisms against Strikes Again online.
You know, I liked the political stuff. Most of the TV clips were great. And like you, I have a feeling I'll enjoy this story more upon multiple readings. I think my expectations were just too high. I wasn't blown away like I was expecting. It's a good story with lots of depth, it just didn't take me by the balls and make me gasp with appreciation.
exharrison
12-05-05, 11:44 AM
Tell that to this guy:
http://www.comicboards.com/interviews/jurgens-superman123.jpg
Yeah, but those were all temporary. They just kept coming. Unless they did something to him again that I don't know about.
The argument comes full circle, tell it to this guy:
http://www.samruby.com/WebA/Large/Web001.JPG
They both lasted a while, but were hardly permanent.
bishop2knight
12-05-05, 12:48 PM
The black one became Venom though, right?
exharrison
12-05-05, 12:58 PM
The black one became Venom though, right?
The black one was the alien symbiote costume that spidey had reject with the help of a sonic gun if I recall. After it escaped it found Eddie Brock and they became Venom and part of that costume merged with Cletus Cassidy and became Carnage. Any further exploits of the symbiote, I don't know. Also, he went back to the black costume at some point, but I don't remember how long he wore it.
Although, I think the bigger change in spidey's life was probably the whole clone saga. And if you really wanna bring up these changes into the argument, why not "Knightfall" or "Fighting Chance"?
Chew
12-05-05, 12:59 PM
The black one became Venom though, right?
:eek: Haven't read Secret Wars either, huh?
Yes, you are correct: it went on to be Venom.
MBoyd
12-05-05, 01:14 PM
I got out of Marvel comics right before Venom. I guess he hasn't been seen for awhile. Nobody has mentioned him in anything I've read recently.
And speaking of new costumes for Spidey. It sounds like he is getting one after The Other concludes from Tony Stark. Wonder if it will look different or just have some sort of enhancement to help him recover from whatever he is suffering from.
Giantrobo
12-05-05, 02:04 PM
I always liked Spidey's Black costume and I also liked his clone's costume. :up:
bishop2knight
12-05-05, 02:51 PM
:eek: Haven't read Secret Wars either, huh?
Yes, you are correct: it went on to be Venom.
What did I say wrong? Secret Wars was the book that got me into super hero books in the first place. So yeah, I've read it. Just not close enough to get a comic ID card. :D
exharrison
12-05-05, 03:21 PM
What did I say wrong? Secret Wars was the book that got me into super hero books in the first place. So yeah, I've read it. Just not close enough to get a comic ID card. :D
I think I missed something. I've been reading comics for half my life and I never got my ID card. I feel left out.
bishop2knight
12-05-05, 04:30 PM
I think I missed something. I've been reading comics for half my life and I never got my ID card. I feel left out.
Let's you and I start our own group with all the cool kids who never got their card.
JasonF
12-05-05, 06:14 PM
I have two cards -- an Avengers ID card that they gave away as a promo item back when Solo Avengers started and a Legion of Superheroes ID card that they gave away after the Zero Hour reboot.
But the coolest promo item I have isn't a card -- it's the Green Lantern ring they gave away back when they started the post-Emeral Dawn GL title.
boredsilly
12-05-05, 07:38 PM
I always liked Spidey's Black costume and I also liked his clone's costume. :up:
Word. Spidey has had some great costumes and I too am partial to the black and Ben R. costume. But then he ran around with a paper bag on his head so...
I know I'm late as hell, but I just read the wedding issues (417-418) of Peter David's Incredible Hulk run. So damn funny. Captain America is such a boob. These two issues finally got me off my ass to check out some of this run (been meaning to for the longest time).
kevin75
12-05-05, 07:59 PM
yeah, the peter david/gary frank run on hulk was incredible (pun intended). gary draws really hot babes. :drool: ignore the spanish
Finally got around to the most recent issue of Amazing Spider-Man. Woah. Don't know how this is going to turn out for Spidey!
bishop2knight
12-06-05, 07:00 AM
Finally got around to the most recent issue of Amazing Spider-Man. Woah. Don't know how this is going to turn out for Spidey!
I think I'm going to be buying the last few issues of The Other saga. Sounds like it could be good from here on out.
I do have one last question concerning DCBS, but I'm putting it in spoiler tags for those who don't want to read it. :D
I got my second shipment yesterday, and the comics came in two different sizes of bags (standard and current) Is this normal? I just moved all of my comics into the same size of bags so they're neat and tiyd. I'd hate to have a hodge podge of sizes with all my new books.
MBoyd
12-06-05, 09:37 AM
I had an order once that had bags that were a little larger. Not a typical event, but it has happened to me also. I was actually wondering if we could convince them to just offer bagged comics for .05. The boards end up taking up a lot of space and with the increased ads in comics, I need all the space in long boxes I can get.
And to have a comic book post today to offset the store post . . .
I liked the first 3 issues of The Other and read parts 4-6 last night. Not digging it. I can take the slow build up for 3 issues, but I needed a little more in parts 4-6. But I guess we know what organ Spidey loses now. But why the hell can't we know why he is sick!?!?! I guess I was surprised that the sickness didn't cause the organ loss. Interesting there.
bishop2knight
12-06-05, 09:48 AM
Maybe The Other is suffering from the whole trilogy style of writing. It always seems that the middle chapters of a story always slow down and lack the pizazz the beginning and end have.
boredsilly
12-06-05, 10:01 AM
Could someone clue me in on what the big event was that went down in "The Other" storyline (so far anyways)? I'm kinda interested in whats going on, just not enough to actually read it.
Chew
12-06-05, 10:29 AM
Could someone clue me in on what the big event was that went down in "The Other" storyline (so far anyways)? I'm kinda interested in whats going on, just not enough to actually read it.
There's really only about two big things you need to know from the first half of the story:
Spidey has a mysterious disease that not even the best and brightest of the Marvel Universe can figure out. It's considered terminal at this point. In the most recent issue, the big-bad (Morlun? sp?) put a beatin' on Spidey and tore one of his eyes out. The last shot of the issue is Spidey left for dead.
MBoyd
12-06-05, 10:44 AM
Well in part 6 in Amazing, Spidey loses his left eye. I suppose that's his lost organ that has been hyped by Marvel. And I guess that's the big event? But Spidey is also very sick. But for the readers haven't been clued in yet with exactly what. It's tied somehow to the baddie Morlun who is stalking him telling him he will die. He also takes Spidey's eye. Parts 4 and 5 consisted of Spidey going to different big shots in the MU looking for a cure and also Mary Jane and Aunt May using Iron Man's old armor and going to Dr. Dooms castle to use his time machine. That was pretty groan inducing.
Todd B.
12-07-05, 04:12 AM
Yeah, but those were all temporary. They just kept coming. Unless they did something to him again that I don't know about. Yeah, but at the time, DC was saying that the change was going to be permanent. That this was Superman's new look from now on, and the old look was gone forever. Of course, they realized after a year or two that you can't screw with an iconic character like Superman like that, and made some lame plotline about his powers turning back to normal.
The same thing almost happened with this guy though:
At the end of the Maximum Clonage thing, Peter Parker was supposed to die, and Ben Reilly was supposed to be the new Spider-Man forever. Fortunately, they Marvel got their heads out of their asses before they actually did it.
exharrison
12-07-05, 05:57 AM
Yeah, but at the time, DC was saying that the change was going to be permanent. That this was Superman's new look from now on, and the old look was gone forever. Of course, they realized after a year or two that you can't screw with an iconic character like Superman like that, and made some lame plotline about his powers turning back to normal.
The same thing almost happened with this guy though:
At the end of the Maximum Clonage thing, Peter Parker was supposed to die, and Ben Reilly was supposed to be the new Spider-Man forever. Fortunately, they Marvel got their heads out of their asses before they actually did it.
Then he qualifies, too:
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/07206180254.500.2ND.PRT.gif
And he went through a permanent change:
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/19768226990.8.gif
Chew
12-07-05, 07:58 AM
The Spidey clone in "a dynamic new costume". Not quite the word I would use. :lol:
Here's a few pages from The Other part 7 in Friendly issue 3. It shows further changes to Spidey.:whofart:
What. The. Fuck.
-ohbfrank-
fujishig
12-07-05, 04:08 PM
Wait, wait, wait... is that aunt may thing true?
I still love 'Ringo, but man does this sound like a horrid storyline.
As long as we're talking spidey changes, let's not forget the six-armed spidey from back in the day, and the Death-of-Superman rip-off that resulted in four different new costumed characters taking over the four spiderman books (they also had their own book for a while, though I remember nothing about it other than ChrisCross was the artist). Also, Ben Reilly was supposed to be the real Peter Parker, though I could never keep up with that storyline. I mean, who thinks it's a good idea to resurrect a storyline from that long ago?
Bats has changed costumes a fair amount too, even beyond the Knightfall Azbats stuff. Even Azbats had two different costumes in his short lifespan. Does Bats still have the black one, or did it change yet again? Not to mention all of the different Spidey and Batman toy variations.
I guess they could keep Ultimate Spidey as the iconic character and radically change the regular MU one permanently, but somehow, I don't think so.
So who wants to tell me how Parker got this disease?
On the plus side, am I the only one excited about the upcoming Essential Marvel Handbook? Sure all that stuff is sorely outdated, but I still love those things. I wonder if the new Marvel Handbook stuff will be better than the overpriced glossy comic-book sized crap they're putting out now.
exharrison
12-07-05, 06:12 PM
Wait, wait, wait... is that aunt may thing true?
I still love 'Ringo, but man does this sound like a horrid storyline.
As long as we're talking spidey changes, let's not forget the six-armed spidey from back in the day, and the Death-of-Superman rip-off that resulted in four different new costumed characters taking over the four spiderman books (they also had their own book for a while, though I remember nothing about it other than ChrisCross was the artist).
Slingers
Also, Ben Reilly was supposed to be the real Peter Parker, though I could never keep up with that storyline. I mean, who thinks it's a good idea to resurrect a storyline from that long ago?
He was the real PP, but then it was revealed that he wasn't and Norman Osbourne was behind it all and PP took it back up as BR totally degenerated near instantly.
MBoyd
12-07-05, 06:23 PM
I loved the Power Girl Infinite Crisis lead up in JSA Classified 1-4. Just saw that the original art has been put up on ebay with a portion going to charity. Cool stuff.
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmdelfini
Rogue588
12-07-05, 06:37 PM
Read "the Other" part 8..
It ain't gettin' any better, kiddies..-ohbfrank-
The Valeyard
12-07-05, 06:56 PM
I thumbed through Marvel Zombies and was pleasantly surprised by Kirkman's writing. Not really a big fan of his but I thought this first issue was well done. Will probably pick up the trade when it comes out.
I just realized I totally forgot to snag the Captain America/What If issue! Now I have to go back to the store.
Lotta good stuff today.
MBoyd
12-07-05, 07:34 PM
Marvel Zombies has been getting much praise. And though I flipped through it too, I just can't get into the concept.
It's probably better than The Other rotfl
bishop2knight
12-08-05, 06:46 AM
Read "the Other" part 8..
It ain't gettin' any better, kiddies..-ohbfrank-
How did you do that?
I read part 7 last night, the first issue I've read of the Other, and I kinda liked it. I think I'm just not old school enough to bash some of these modifications to old characters. I'm interested in seeing what happens next. Sure, it'll be reconned in another 6 months anyway, but for now, I kinda like the possibilities.
Plus, Wieringo's art is really good. I've never really seen his stuff before, but now I might be on the look out for it.
Liquid Death
12-08-05, 08:35 AM
You should check out his run on Fantastic Four with Mark Waid and Tellos.
fujishig
12-08-05, 01:13 PM
You should check out his run on Fantastic Four with Mark Waid and Tellos.
and Waid and 'Ringo's earlier stuff on the Flash (maybe not as polished, but still great). Though I thought his earlier Spidey run was mainly forgettable, mostly due to the storylines. Looks like this time is following suit. (By the way, I have no problem with them changing the characters, but really, the whole spoilerized May thing seems out there... unless I just read that synopsis wrong...)
What's with 'Ringo getting to draw all these mauled Marvel heroes? Didn't Reed Richards get mauled in the Waid/R'ingo issues too?
Chew
12-08-05, 02:15 PM
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bishop2knight
12-08-05, 02:33 PM
Chew, Noooooooooooooooooooooo! That's bloody terrible. I hope you had some back up books to be reading in the interim.
What do all y'all think of Ellis redoing the New Universe line for Marvel. I loved the New Universe as a kid.
Rogue588
12-08-05, 02:56 PM
I loved the New Universe as a kid.Gotta agree with this. :up: Too bad I stop collecting Exiles a LONG time ago...
bishop2knight
12-08-05, 04:12 PM
Gotta agree with this. :up: Too bad I stop collecting Exiles a LONG time ago...
Is Exiles related to the New Universe? I had no idea.
MBoyd
12-08-05, 04:44 PM
Exiles is visiting the New Universe right now. Issues 73-75 I think.
Not sure what I think about the Ellis re-imagining. Since Exiles is doing the real thing right now, and it there are these one shots coming out, I think they should just stick to that.
Chew
12-09-05, 06:10 AM
Chew, Noooooooooooooooooooooo! That's bloody terrible. I hope you had some back up books to be reading in the interim.
:lol:
I think I'm OK. ;)
Giantrobo
12-09-05, 07:19 AM
I can't remember if this has been discussed in past threads but are the minis, <b>Jonah Hex</b> and <b>Vigilante</b> going to become regular series? I'm buying them but I'm not going to read them until the last issues come out.
MBoyd
12-09-05, 07:40 AM
I think Jonah Hex is a regular. The first issue was self contained and excellent. You should definitely read it. Vigilante did nothing for me.
Here's a few pages from The Other part 7 in Friendly issue 3. It shows further changes to Spidey.
That looks awful (except for MJ in that shirt shirt!)
A little Infinite Crisis assistance:
I've ordered tpb's of the build up mini series and was wondering if there is an order to read them in. Days of Vengeance, OMAC, Rann/Thanagar War, Villain United (did I miss anything?). Thanks in advance.
MBoyd
12-09-05, 08:42 AM
I've ordered tpb's of the build up mini series and was wondering if there is an order to read them in. Days of Vengeance, OMAC, Rann/Thanagar War, Villain United (did I miss anything?). Thanks in advance.
I think any order should be fine. Don't forget the one shots of each title that start in January.
You might also seek out the Superman Sacrifice trade that is coming as its 3 Superman issues and a Wonder Woman tie in with OMAC.
The Return Of Donna Troy is an unofficial mini that ties to IC and is being packaged in a trade with the Death Of Donna Troy.
Also I haven't heard about the first 4 issues of the JSA Classified Powergirl arc being collected, but it ties in as well. I'd seek out the 3rd printings if you can and haven't read it. Very enjoyable stuff.
JasonF
12-09-05, 01:32 PM
Upcoming comic that I thought looked lame at first, but now think is really cool: Busiek and Guice's Aquaman (http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Aquaman/swordofatlantis.htm). I'm not an Aquaman fan and I hate pointless revamps, so I thought this would have two strikes against it. But it looks like Busiek's come up with a cool concept, and he's not only got real reasons for the revamp, but he's being respectful to the character in doing his revamp. And, like I said, it just looks cool. Like Aquaman meets the Road Warrior meets Conan meets Thundarr the Barbarian. Or something. I'm looking forward to this one.
Upcoming comic I should be into but don't care about: Warren Ellis's revamp of Marvel's New Universe (http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/NextWave/pressconference.htm). I was a big fan of the New Universe back in the day. Super big. How big, you ask? Put it this way -- I bought every single issue of Kickers, Inc. If you don't know what that is, count yourself lucky. Anyway, even though I loved the New Universe, I don't really give a dqamn about Warren Ellis's "I'm going to use the name and maybe a few of the characters, but I'll ignore everything that came before and do my own thing" version. Still, if it will give us reprints of the old stuff, I won't complain. If they do reprint the old stuff, I definitely recommend that everyone grab any DP7 or Psi Force that they can get their hands on.
bishop2knight
12-09-05, 03:04 PM
I loved the new universe. Hell, I had the entire run of Spitfire. Good grief. But I loved Star Brand and Nightmask and DP7. I look forward to seeing these again in trade (of course, I could probably get the entire run of each title for less than $5, but still...).
ytrez
12-09-05, 06:00 PM
I think any order should be fine. Don't forget the one shots of each title that start in January.
You might also seek out the Superman Sacrifice trade that is coming as its 3 Superman issues and a Wonder Woman tie in with OMAC.
The Return Of Donna Troy is an unofficial mini that ties to IC and is being packaged in a trade with the Death Of Donna Troy.
Also I haven't heard about the first 4 issues of the JSA Classified Powergirl arc being collected, but it ties in as well. I'd seek out the 3rd printings if you can and haven't read it. Very enjoyable stuff.
Thanks, MBoyd, I'll seek out the Superman trade & Donna Troy stuff. I'm hoping for an announcement on the JSA Classified. Thanks again.
Rogue588
12-10-05, 03:45 AM
Upcoming comic I should be into but don't care about: Warren Ellis's revamp of Marvel's New Universe (http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/NextWave/pressconference.htm). I was a big fan of the New Universe back in the day. Super big. How big, you ask? Put it this way -- I bought every single issue of Kickers, Inc. If you don't know what that is, count yourself lucky. Anyway, even though I loved the New Universe, I don't really give a dqamn about Warren Ellis's "I'm going to use the name and maybe a few of the characters, but I'll ignore everything that came before and do my own thing" version. Still, if it will give us reprints of the old stuff, I won't complain. If they do reprint the old stuff, I definitely recommend that everyone grab any DP7 or Psi Force that they can get their hands on.Wow. After reading some of that link, I want him to stay FAR away from it. :mad:
Well . . . more Infinite Crisis stuff at Newsarama. The blacked out figures on the Supergirl cover sure are interesting. People are speculating its Supergirl and Powergirl and they have lost their powers. Robin has a new costume. I guess it's still Tim. What does anyone else think?
EDIT
Now there's a preview cover for Nightwing up as well. Speculation abounds that Nightwing is now a certain someone with the initials J.T. Hope it's not forever.
bishop2knight
12-11-05, 03:58 PM
If JT is Nightwing, then Nightwing must be Batman right?
MBoyd
12-11-05, 05:12 PM
or dead . . . or retired . . . or mayor. :)
EDIT: Well scratch out mayor . . . maybe Dick is just going to stay Nightwing.
JasonF
12-11-05, 08:21 PM
Now there's a preview cover for Nightwing up as well. Speculation abounds that Nightwing is now a certain someone with the initials J.T. Hope it's not forever.
An interesting choice indeed.
http://www.james-taylor.net/jamestaylor.jpg
Giantrobo
12-13-05, 12:25 AM
Some cool Catwoman covers coming up. :drool:
http://dccomics.com/comics/?cm=4686
I wonder if this was what Batman had hinted at when speaking with J'Onn concerning Selina and her feelings for him in JLA a few months back? :(
http://dccomics.com/comics/?cm=4559
MBoyd
12-14-05, 04:52 PM
It's been quiet lately. So, anyone pick up anything today? I got Firestorm, DMZ (both I have added for next month on DCBS) and just for kicks Son of M.
The Valeyard
12-14-05, 05:58 PM
Nothing for me this week.
Patman
12-14-05, 07:46 PM
It was a mighty weak week.
bishop2knight
12-14-05, 08:17 PM
I picked up DMZ and JLA. I thought JLA was pretty cool for one reason: almost every page had some sort of dialog that gives clues to what is rumored to be happening one year later. If you read the issue, you'll understand, but I think this will be an issue to re-read after all is said and done to see what I missed.
MBoyd
12-14-05, 09:26 PM
With the whole Donna Tryoy taking everyone off into space creeping into so many titles I wonder if DC could ever collect those issues/pages from all the books. That was still going on in the new JLA right? I think I've lost track of all that they have been in and what order.
Chew
12-15-05, 06:24 AM
If anyone is interested, Episode 83 of Comic Geek Speak includes an interview with Stan Lee. In fact, the entire episode is about him.
With the whole Donna Tryoy taking everyone off into space creeping into so many titles I wonder if DC could ever collect those issues/pages from all the books. That was still going on in the new JLA right? I think I've lost track of all that they have been in and what order.
Ask and ye shall receive (http://dccomics.com/comics/?cm=4980).
bishop2knight
12-15-05, 09:23 AM
I'm planning on trimming the fat from my comic collection. If anyone is interested in seeing my list, let me know and I'll send you an email. I'd much rather sell 'em cheap to someone here at the talk then sell 'em on ebay.
Stoney
12-15-05, 10:22 AM
I'd like a list if you get the chance.
bishop2knight
12-15-05, 10:27 AM
Stoney, I'll get you a list later this weekend. They're mostly moderns...
But back to the thread, newsarama is asking members to post questions (http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=52491) for the next Crisis Counseling. If you have any questions, I'd suggest you ask em.
boredsilly
12-15-05, 01:09 PM
If anyone is interested, Episode 83 of Comic Geek Speak includes an interview with Stan Lee. In fact, the entire episode is about him.
That was really neat, but I think the interview with Gene Colan from an ep or three prior was the best one they've done so far. Talk about a sweet man who was really touched that people wanted to talk to him. I wasn't familiar with his work before hand, but his humble personality totally won me over...his art work is pretty damn fantastic too.
Light week for me too:
JLA 123 (and I haven't read 122 yet)
Captain Atom: Armeggedon #3 (Cap is SO bad ass in this, I hope he stays in the WS universe and gets a regular running book with this creative team)
Teen Titans 30
Books of Doom #2 (and I haven't even read #1 yet...but it's Doom, can't say no to that)
G.I. Joe America's Elite #6 (and I haven't read 4 or 5 yet...actually it's been so long since I've read through the first 4 issues, I need to reread all of them again to freshen the memory)
Y The Last Man 40
Haven't read jack yet, but it's there just waiting. I'm kinda behind on everything (haven't read a Runaways or Captain America book since god knows when), but this happens when the school semester comes to a close. After my final tomorrow I plan on catching up with everything over the next week or two.
bishop2knight
12-15-05, 01:17 PM
boredsilly, post your comments on Books of Doom #1 when you read it. I didn't like it much at all and want a second opinion.
MBoyd
12-15-05, 04:41 PM
I read the first issue of Doom too. I was sort of lukewarm on it too, but I have a feeling it will build into something pretty cool. I certainly preferred Brubaker's Deadly Genesis last month to Doom.
Sierra Disc
12-17-05, 06:32 PM
I liked the first two issues of Books of Doom, althought the art is a little stiff for me. I'm a sucker for any Doom stories, but this one has an interesting amount of introspection and character work that's firing pretty good so far.
Giantrobo
12-18-05, 04:42 AM
I just got finished reading "SUPERMAN:In the Name of Gog".....HELP! What happened at the end? WTF is going on with Doomsday?:confused:
JasonF
12-18-05, 03:08 PM
Recently, I discovered Exiles. Picked up the first trade on a whim and enjoyed it very much. Picked up the second trade yesterday and just read it through. For those who haven't read it, it's a fun series about a group of characters who go from one parallel world to another. On each world, they have a mission they must accomplish. Then they get sent to the next. Think "Sliders" with X-Men characters. If you like seeing alternate versions of the Marvel Universe, it's worth picking up.
Can anyone give me background on some of the characters?
Morph -- Is he based on any pre-existing character?
Mimic -- I know he's an old school (pre-"All New, All Different") character. Has this version (long-standing member of the X-Men) appeared anywhere prior to Exiles?
Thunderbird -- Has this version (you-know-who did you-know-what to him) appeared anywhere prior to Exiles?
Blink -- I understand she appeared in Age of Apocolypse. Has there been a version of her on the main Marvel Earth?
Nocturne -- Obviously no version of her appeared on the main Marvel Earth, given her origins. Was she a pre-existing alternate reality character, or new for the series?
Magnus -- Same situation as Nocturne -- did Winnick make him up for the series, or was he new?
Sunfire, whom I'm spoilerizing since her arrival spoils the end of the first collection -- did this version exist in any comics before she appeared in Exiles?
I could probably ask the same question about Wendigo, but I'll hold off since (s)he only showed up in one panel of the issues I've read so far.
No spoilers for any issues of Exiles beyond the second collection (issue #11), please!
nny
12-18-05, 11:59 PM
Blink is the only one that had really been around before. I didn't read AoA, but I think Morph was in that, but it was a different Morph. Morph's first appearance was actually in the first episode of the 90s X-men cartoon. I think a couple of the characters made their first appearance here: http://www.cbdb.com/action.lasso?-database=comics_.fp3&-layout=master&-response=record_detail.htm&-recordID=12595170&-search
That was basically just a sketch book kind of thing, various artists trying out new characters and new takes on old characters.
I'm really sad that Exiles has been so mediocre under Tony Bedard. The first couple years of the series was so great and the only work of Winick's that I've loved. After Winick leaves the first time, the title goes down a little in quality and when he leaves the second time the title goes way down in quality. During the first hiatus, Chuck Austen delivered some of the only comics I've really liked from him.
JasonF
12-19-05, 12:31 AM
Thanks for the info, nny. Do you know which issues Winnick wrote?
I said earlier that I picked up the first TPB on a whim. After I posted, I remembered that isn't true. The real reason I picked it up is because I had heard that the Exiles were traveling to the New Universe. My local shop only had the second issue of the New U storyline, but I liked it enough to check out the first TPB. Maybe this means I'll enjoy Bedard's run in general.
Mhepburn20
12-19-05, 02:54 AM
Blink is the only one that had really been around before. I didn't read AoA, but I think Morph was in that, but it was a different Morph. Morph's first appearance was actually in the first episode of the 90s X-men cartoon.
Well not quite. Many of these characters have 616 counterparts. The Morph in Age of Apocalypse looks exactly like this morph so it is reasonable to assume that they are based on the same character. The Age of Apocalpyse Character was meant to be The Changeling, a changeling character who (as a favor to Xavier) impersonated Xavier in the 616 universe ultimately dying in X-men (1963) #42.
Mimic (616, so not this version)was actually a member of the old X-men joining in issue #27 where he hung around for about three or four issues before quitting. He was mostly forgotten until the mid 90s when he briefly appeared in X-Force as a villain. Later it was determined he had lost his powers (I think this happened in 1997/98 also in X-Force but I am less certain of the specifics).
This is the first time this version of Thunderbird appeared.
Blink was an integral character of AoA and did appear in the 616 universe as the character Clarice Ferguson during the Generation Next issues of the Phalanx Covenent (X-men #37, #38 and Uncanny X-men #316, #317).
Nocturne and Magnus are new for the series.
As for the other character she is basically new, although really just a combination of two pre-existing characters. Since I can't remember if they revealed her real name or not yet, I will not expand on that subject.
Disclaimer - all issue numbers are from memory and may be slightly off.
JasonF
12-19-05, 10:29 AM
Mimic (616, so not this version)was actually a member of the old X-men joining in issue #27 where he hung around for about three or four issues before quitting. He was mostly forgotten until the mid 90s when he briefly appeared in X-Force as a villain. Later it was determined he had lost his powers (I think this happened in 1997/98 also in X-Force but I am less certain of the specifics).
Shows how old I am. I remember Mimic dying in a 1970s issue of the Hulk -- he mimiced the Hulk and gave himself gamma radiation poisoning. That actually played into an early issue of Exiles. I didn't know that they had brought Mimic back, though.
I also remember Changeling (not that I read his stories, but I read about him in the old OHOTMU). I had no idea Morph was supposed to be a version of Changeling.
They mentioned who new character was, but since
Wolverine has so many Japanese chicks in his past, I can't remember which one she is. Samurai-girlfriend-chick, maybe, or Ninja-chick. I don't know. :p
fujishig
12-19-05, 10:56 AM
I picked up the first few Exiles trades, though I got tired of the concept after some time (plus the art seemed sporadic). Does it get any better/different later?
Finally read the OMAC trade. Man it's tough to not only wait for trades, but also for a monthly shipment. Next is Days of Vengeance. I'm finally beginning to understand what's going on.
Kudos to DC for doing a great job with the trade. Great summaries of the backgrounds of the characters I didn't know about (since I don't read Batman) and issues that they skip over. Decent pricepoint too. Unlike the Prelude to Infinite Crisis trade that I couldn't really follow.
bishop2knight
12-19-05, 12:47 PM
I'm this close to going all trade, too Fuji. I'm going through my comics making a list of all those that I'm willing to get rid of and I'm realizing that I kind of want to get rid of them all. If that's the case, I might be a trade guy in no time. Heck, if it weren't for the deals on DCBS, I might already be.
Chew
12-19-05, 01:11 PM
If I knew for a fact that all of the series I buy would be out in trade in short order, I would too. But stuff like Gotham Central is 2+ years behind and may never catch up.
Perhaps I need to do a closer look as to what issue I'm on and what issue the corresponding trades are on. Sounds like a Christmas weekend project. :)
bishop2knight
12-19-05, 01:31 PM
I bet every GC issue will be collected at some point.
I wonder how liberating it would feel to not have to order, read, and bag monthly comics.
Chew
12-19-05, 01:34 PM
Well, for another thing: I would go from buying long-boxes and stuffing comics away in a closet to buying bookshelves and displaying trades in the open of my bedroom.
fujishig
12-19-05, 02:25 PM
That's what I did... though the number of trades I now have is overwhelming my poor bookshelf.
With a lot of stuff, there's no guarantee that it'll be collected, but pretty much everything Marvel will eventually be (sometimes within weeks of the last issue coming out). DC seems a little more random, but the monthly titles I still collect (Teen Titans, JSA, JSA Classified, Legion, Superman/Batman) will inevitably be collected... I'm just too lazy to make the transition after collecting the monthlies for so long (and I like them enough to support them). But for Infinite Crisis, I knew they would collect all the ancilliary issues (I am collecting the series monthly, just not reading it until I catch up). Image is a little more iffy... I still have no clue how and why Larsen decides to break out a new Savage Dragon tpb. He's got a huge break in the middle too.
Of course, for a title like Gotham Central (and stuff like Invincible) that has borderline popularity as it is, it might be a good idea to stick with the monthlies just to see it continue.
Rocketdog2000
12-20-05, 03:30 AM
Captain Atom: Armeggedon #3 (Cap is SO bad ass in this, I hope he stays in the WS universe and gets a regular running book with this creative team)
Yes, I've been quite liking this book, too! Never much cared one way or the other about Capton Atom before, but this book's been great all around. Hope to see an appearence by The Authority, and it seems as if they're hinting at it, too - at least in this issue.
Chew
12-20-05, 06:53 AM
What's going on with Superman/Batman? The last issue came out three months ago. -ohbfrank-
MBoyd
12-20-05, 08:32 AM
Jeph Loebs son died back in the summer and it threw off the schedule of all his books. I think the last Loeb issue is 25 and his son helped with that issue or something.
Chew
12-20-05, 08:54 AM
Ah. That makes sense then. :(
Patman
12-20-05, 08:58 AM
IIRC, Smallville ran an "In Memoriam" for Jeph's son (it might have been the Arthur Curry episode).
MBoyd
12-20-05, 09:50 AM
I like Jeph's work quite a bit. Everyone seems pretty down on his upcoming Ultimates 3 though. I'll continue to check it out because I'm a fan.
My friend and I were talking about Inifnite Crisis yesterday and he mentioned that Jeph and Geoff actually shared an office at DC and he was surprised that Jeph wasn't involved more with Crisis like Rucka and Winick. I hope his exit to Marvel wasn't on bad terms. I like his Marvel stuff, but his DC books have been a lot more fun for me. Looks like a lot of people are getting forced out of DC. Some of that is good though - Devin Grayson comes to mind.
I'm going to follow up with a couple of big posts I found today that includes the big DC post-crisis comic news/52 news that is supposed to be in tomorrows issue of Wizard. I think a lot of you will enjoy this. This just saved me spending $5 on that rag, although I do hear they have a LARGE 28 page article on Superman Returns.
MBoyd
12-20-05, 09:53 AM
22 one year later previews from Wizard. - some spoilers/not too bad IMO
DC Comics jumps ahead "One Year Later" in March- Here are 22 books to keep your eye on
Action Comics/Superman
Writers Feoff Johns (Infinite Crissi) and Kurt Busiek (Astro City) join artist Pete Woods (X-Men: Deadly Genesis) to take the Man of Steel on a eight-part odyseey, readjusting to a world he no longer feels he knows. "He's dealing with the ramifications of his past year," says Johns. "We're redifining him for the future."
Aquaman
The Series will not be cancelled as previously reported; instead, DC confirms Kurt Busiek and Butch Guice (Birds of Prey) as the new writer/artist team to steer the King of the Seven Seas in a new direction.
Batman/Dectective Comics
James Robinson (Starman) returns to comics after a three-year absense with artist Don Kramer (JSA) and Andy Clarke (Aquaman) and Leonard Krik (The Freshmen) at his side for a an eight-part adventure with Batman and Robin returning to Gotham after a year away to find corruption in City Hall and a new face behind the desk of the Police Commissioner. "This is James Robinson doing what he does best," says Editor Preter Tommasi, "peeling back the layers of character until you get right to their hearts."
Birds of Prey
One Bird is out of the picture and an unexpected replacement has come under writer Gail Simone's wing, "One of DCU's most dangerous villians joins the book, as an agent for Oracle," says Simone, who'll be joined by artist Carlos Sequira, "I think this is going to be our most exciting and unpredictable year yet"
Catwoman
She's pregnant! Writer Will Pfeifer won't reveal the daddy, but talker about how this will change Selina Kyle's life. "It's a wild little plot twist, but we'll use it to explorer some offbeat questions," says Pfeifer, whose artist on the book has not yet been anounced. "Has a lifetime of thievery prepared her for this? And while Selina is changing diapers, who's watching East End?"
Checkmate
The OMAC Project team of writer Greg Rucka and artist Jesus Saiz creat a new Checkmate with a mix of familar metahumans and "normals" runing the show. "Take a big chunk of The OMAC Project, take the concept of "Who Watches the Watchmen?" and throw in some James Bond and you've got Checkmate," says Rucka.
The Flash
DC holds to a firm "no comment" when it comes to the future of the Fastest Man Alive.
Green Arrow
There's a familiar face in the Star City mayor's office: Oliver Queen! What do writer Judd Winick and artist Scott McDaniel (Robin) have planned for hizzoner? "Ollie became mayor in order to save Star City," say Winick. "Ultimately, there's only so much you can do by puttin on tights and shooting arrows."
Green Lantern
Having gotten in some hot water on Earth, Hal Jordan takes to the stars for a dangerous rescue mission. "He needs to find the Lanterns he left for dead as Parallax," says writer Johns, joined by artist Carlos Pacheco. "The Guardians don't aprrove, so he needs a team of GLs willing to break the rules for backup."
Green Lantern Corps
Out of the events of the Recharge mini-series, the GLC goes monthly with comics legend Dave Gibbins pulling double duty as writer and artist for the first arc. "The Corps itself will be radically re-organized, more tightly disciplined and controlled," says Gibbins. "The Guardians will become ever more aloof and unfathomable, their Great Purpose ever more mysterious."
Hawkgirl
With Hawkman M.I.A., Kendra Saunders tries to fill the wings, but, as writer Walt Simonson notes, that's easier said than done. "She's trying to fill the void Carter has left, but she doesn't have his experience," explains Simonson, who is joined by artist Howard Chaykin. "Also, an ancient evil of S.t Roch is rishing up and causing violent, nasty stuff."
Ion
Kyle Rayner is reunited with his creator, writer Ron Marz, but is it with or without the Green Lantern Corps? "Kyle's story is still going to be tied to the GL mythos-- that's a part of who he is," promised Marz of his upcoming run with artist Greg Tocchini (Thor: Son of Asgard). "But the role he takes on is beyond anything he's ever experienced."
JSA
Alongside incomparable artist Rags Morales (Identity Crisis), DC Publisher Paul Levitz returns to characters he last wrote 27 years ago. "I've always liked the Justice Society because you've got a mix of young old people," reflects Levitz. "I'm looking forward to writing nes characters like Stargirl and playing with old favorites like Flash and Wildcat."
Nightwing
Does something happen to Dick Grayson in Infinite Crisis? New writer Bruce Jones (Vigilantes) will be chronicling a new man behind the mask, So where is Grayson? Jones (whose artist still has not been released)isn't saying. "readers will see a new Nightwing," says Jones. "Now established in New York City, he will deal with more formidable fores, new metahuman rivals and an unlikely new romance."
Shadowpact
The 10th Age of Magic has dawned and with it writer/artist Bill Willingham returns to the team he made famous in Day of Vengeance, promising plenty of unfamilar threats for DC's mystical underdogs. "A lot of bad things that were put down in the 9th Age are waking up," says Willingham. "It's a great time to resurrect really bad and terrible stuff."
Specture: Dead Again
A new Spectre rises in this three-issue mini-series by Pfeifer and artist Al Barrionuevo (Gotham Knights), but he's not the most willing Spirt of Vengeance. "He barely believes in the afterlife and wants no part of the Spectre's concept of Divine Justice," says Pfeifer. "Too bad he has no choice in the matter."
Supergirl
Kara's got a new writer, Greg Rucka. joining artist Ian Churchill as well as a new foe famillar to readers of the Superman titles. "She's Supergirl. That should ge great, but it sucks," says Rucka. "We're going to show just how much it sucks and what she does to make it great."
Superman/Batman
New writer Mark Verhelden (Superman) and artist Ethan Van Sciver (Green Lantern) take the World's Finest out of this world. "A strange, evil influence begings inpacting our extraterrestrial heroes and villians," shares Verheiden. "Look for surprising guest stars and tons of big action, Van-Sciver-style."
Teen Titans
The Titans get new blood in new regular artist Tony Daniel (The Tenth) and two new members: the mysterious Kid Devil and the deadly Ravager! "The first arc will see the Titans team with a new Doom Patrol against a new Brotherhood of Evil," reveals writer Johns.
Wonder Woman
While hot-babe uber-artist Terry Dodson (Spider-Man/Black Cat) has been confirmed as being part of the amazing Amazon's post-Infinite Crisis plans, DC has yet to release and information on either the writer or direction of the book. But the publisher promises both announcements will make major waves, so stay turned.
MBoyd
12-20-05, 09:55 AM
And finally MAJOR 52 spoilers - still no price though LOL
The Main Players
-Black Adam : DC's Dr. Doom
-Booster Gold: The Sell-Out
-Renee Montoya: The Drunk Knight
-Elongated Man: Too Far Gone?
-Steel: Lex's New Nemesis
-The Question: The New Batman
1. Luthor's JLA: With the JLA disbanded, the bald baddies forms his own Justice League, comprised of entirely new characters plus one familiar face.
2. Wholesale Destruction: An entire country within the DC Universe will be leveled by a known power player, killing every man, woman and child within.
3. Batwoman Begins: A new female crimefighter takes to the streets of Gotham, but who's behind the mask? Here's a hint: It's not who you think.
4. Steel: The Conscience of the DCU: John Henry Irons steps back into the Steel armor and steps up his game to cover for the absence of several heroes following Infinite Crisis, ruffling some feathers with his philosophy that true heroes do their job without accolades.
5. Star Wars: A new villain will be introduced in the outer reaches of space. Early word has this new tyrant giving Darkseid a run for his money.
6 Cast of Millions: Forget just the Big Three, the Justice League or even everybody that has appeared in Infinite Crisis-- this series will indeed star the entire DCU.
7. Back in the Saddle: Keith Giffen returns to DC in a major way to co-plot and do layouts on 52, bringing his grand sense of scope and knack for humor to the table.
8. Weird Science: A shadowy figure is abducting big brains like T.O. Morrow, Will Magnus and Dr. Sivana, with an eye toward altering the world of technology.
9. Renee Montoya: DC's Drunk Detective: Introduced in the 1990's "Batman: The Animated Series," then making the jump to comics as the lead of Gotham Central, Renee Montoya has sunk to her lowest point as an alcoholic dectective and must find her way back to respectability.
10. For Freedom!: From the ashes of the original team's gory demise in Infinite Crisis, a new team of Freedom Fighters emerges to take up the fight!
11. Drawing Blood: Joe Bennett, who showed he could draw the nastiest fight scenes around during his time on Hawkman, will now have the entire DCU at his disposal as one of the main artists on 52.
12. Girls Gone Wild: Down-on-her-luck Montoya will see her bed become a revolving door of lovers -- one of whom will make her mark on the DCU before all is said and done.
12. Man becomes Superman: A DC hero known for getting the job done without metahuman powers will get their abilities augmented in a major way.
13. Dynamic Duo: M.I.A.: Batman and Robin won't step foot in Gotham for the entire year. What's keeping them away?
15. The Ultimate Insult: A beloved DCU character no longer of the living will have their grave defaced in a shocking act.
16. Encore: Writer Geoff Johns looks to follow up his work on Infinite Crisis by telling an even bigger story, if you can believe that.
17. The Question: Getting Answers: If you loved him on "Justice League Unlimited" get read for the Question to return to the DCU in a major way, becoming a lynchpin of 52 and setting himself up as Gotham's new protector.
18. Ralph Dibny: The Next Step: Nobody in the DCU has suffered more in the past two years than Elongated Man, but in 52, Ralph Dibny tries to move on in way that will shock you.
19 On the Edge: A respected former member of the Justice League his bottom and contempletes suicide. Will this beleaguered Leaguer pull the trigger?
20. Real Time: Like on TV's "24" this number-titled series unfoldes week by week at the pace of real life, putting fans right in the thick of things.
21. Bad As He Wants to Be: With the White House way behind him, Lex Luthor gets back to basics and pushes the envelope, becoming more evil and ruthless than ever.
22. Big Break: After years of toiling in relative obscurity, Chris Batista made his mark on JLA last year-- now he'll try to cement himself as one of the best artists around.
23. Wedding Bells: One of the DCU's most eligable bachelors finally meets the super-woman who can tame him enough to settle down.
24. The Mad Genius: Writer Grant Morrison will be unleashed upon DCU once more, bringing with him the seemingly endless fountain of new concepts and characters he displayed in JLA and Seven Soldiers.
25. Final Farewell: Some members of the team Donna Troy took into space during Infinite Crisis won't be back by the first issues of 52, and some won't be coming back at all.
26. Wind of Change: A new Red Tornado unlike anything that's come before will ride the eye of the storm into 52 and possibly beyond.
27. Booster Gold: The Big Time, At Last: Booster Gold was considered a joke as a member of the Justice League International, but 52 sees him take his shot as a A-list hero.
28. Fortune & Glory: One character's long-fought quest for respect comes to an end when they become the leader of their own country.
29. Ralph Gets Some!: Mr. Dibny finds himself getting busy with somebody other than his beloved Sue. Who's the lucky lady (or fella)?
30. Fate: With Hector Hall out of the picture for the time being, someone new will step up to the golden mantle of Dr. Fate and become the world's most powerful sorcerer.
31. DC Encyclopedia: Nobody knows the DCU better than writer Mark Waid, and he'll be putting every ounce of his trivia knowledge to good use redefining everybody from Superman to Ambush Bug.
32. From Beyond the Grave: Having seen Superman, Green Arrow and now Hal Jordan return from the dead, a former Justice League member attempts to resurrect an old friend.
33. Monster Mash: Lex Luthor changes the face of humanity forever through a series of experiments on Monster Island.
34. Family Drama: A rift forms between Steel and his niece when she makes a decision affecting the entire DCU.
35. Black Adam: Choosing a Side: Black Adam has walked the line between hero and villain for the past 3,200 years. 52 will provide the most in-depth look yet at what motovates this complex character and his sense of honor.
36. Rising Star: Don Kramer came out of nowhere to wow fans as artist on JSA for the past two years--now he'll get to ply his knack for drawing sprawling casts on an even bigger stage.
37. The Main Man?: Is Lobo going back to basics? We've heard whispers, but it's too soon to say...
38. Mr. Versatile: Greg Rucka can write anything from superheroes to comedy to epionage drama, and he'll be tested in every area over the course of 52.
39. Whodunnit?: The Question will put Montoya's detective skills to the test with a mystery that ends up taking a year to solve.
40. Changing the Future: Booster Gold and sidekick Skeets will attempt to use their knowledge of the past from the future to prevent major disasters before they happen. Will they succeed, or destroy the timestream in the process?
41. JLA=S.E.X.: Two former Justice Leaguers you would NOT expect will bump uglies by year's end. Awk-ward!
42. Who's Who: Each issue of 52 contains a two-page origin story on one of the DCU's heroes or villians, as written and drawn by top industry talent. Get caught up!
43. Crossing Over: A well-established character with a lot of history will make their first appearance in the DCU.
44. Not That There's Anything Wrong With That: A new gay character make their first appearance in 52, before moving on to their own ongoing series.
45. 52 Wednesdays: The first weekly comic attempted in over 15 years-- since the demise of Action Comics Weekly in 1989--52 will give fans a reason to get excited about going to the comic shops every single week.
46. Microsoft Man: Signing endorsement deals left and right, Booster Gold becomes a corporate hero, but when push comes to shove, who's pulling the strings?
47. Look! Up in the Sky!: A mysterious and powerful new character named Supernova will make his debut in Metropolis. But is this actually a famillar face with a new look?
48. Cover Me: J.G. Jones will provide the art for not one, not two, not 33 , but all 52 covers of 52. With Jones' smooth, innovative style, that's another 52 reasons right there.
49. Powerless: One of DC's biggest icons spends the years as a civilian, unable to prevent what they once would have handed with ease.
50. Don't Get Too Attached: One of the six leads of 52 won't see the end of the year. Who'll bite the dust?
51. Dream Team: Morrison, Johns, Waid, Rucka, Giffen---any of these names is enough to get the average fanboy to wet himself, but ALL of them on the same book? Every week? Break out the adult diapers!
52. The Journey: By the time the first issue of 52 hits the stands, we'll already know where the DCU is headed thanks to the "One Year Later" jump, but more than half the fun is trying to piece together how everything got there as the mysteries unravel
fujishig
12-20-05, 10:45 AM
Okay, I'm still a month behind in my reading. But I just read Supergirl 2-3... is it just me, or is this whole storyline crap? Issue 2, she goes to meet Superboy, they fight. She breaks Superboy's jaw then resets it, ending their fight... and then the Titans attack her for little reason (I read Titans, so I know the whole Superboy/Luthor thing, but it still made little sense). At the end of that issue, Starfire comes to get her, and issue 3 opens with her fighting the Outsiders (for practice?) with the Outsiders using Kryptonite to limit her powers? Kara kisses Nightwing? Then they mysteriously find Luthor in the middle of the desert? Is this part of some larger plan that I'm having trouble seeing, or is this book just crap? Not to mention that Churchill's art isn't the best... they should've gotten Benes back on this book.
Also read the post-Liefeld issue of Teen Titans, which also didn't make much sense to me. Uh... Red Hood attacks Robin because... uh, why again? Why isn't this just an issue of Robin? Where the hell did Donna Troy, Bumblebee and Herald come from? Why is the art so crappy (while still better than the previous two issues?)
Maybe I'm just holding them up to a higher standard after reading the OMAC trade. I think Legion is getting better, but JSA is kinda losing me with the huge, epic storylines one after another. Supes/Batman hasn't been seen in a while (and I was having trouble following that pseudo-Ultimates/Bizarro story anyway), but JSA Classified has been great.
Chew
12-20-05, 10:51 AM
I was pretty interested in Supergirl when it first started, but I dropped it with this month's order.
I've been reading current JSA for a few months now, all while catching up on the trades. I agree, it's been far too long without a break in tone and they should dial down the "epicness" for a couple storylines. Hopefully, after Crisis.
fujishig
12-20-05, 12:14 PM
I have to say that this blurb from the above Wizard article (no spoilers) doesn't leave me with a lot of confidence in the future of Supergirl:
Supergirl
Kara's got a new writer, Greg Rucka. joining artist Ian Churchill as well as a new foe famillar to readers of the Superman titles. "She's Supergirl. That should ge great, but it sucks," says Rucka. "We're going to show just how much it sucks and what she does to make it great."
Also, why is Johns off of JSA? And where did McKone go? I don't want Daniels on Titans!
Liquid Death
12-20-05, 03:19 PM
Is Manhunter being canceled?
MBoyd
12-20-05, 07:27 PM
I havent heard that, but who knows.
Giantrobo
12-21-05, 02:46 AM
sigh----
bishop2knight
12-21-05, 07:44 AM
Anyone reading BLACK HARVEST by Josh Howard. I love his artwork, and Dead @ 17 had some great moments. I look forward to seeing what he does for DC this year (heard he'll be doing at least some art).
boredsilly
12-21-05, 10:44 PM
To go back a bit. I really love those first 20 some issues of Exiles. I came away from that book really giving a shit about the characters. For how many books I read, it is still rare for that to happen. Winnick did a fantastic job of creating a family out of that crew and I never really got tired of the gimmick of world jumping during his run. I did jump of once he left, but I may give those other issues a chance. I really hope the they jump to the Zombie Marvel World. That would be cool, but only for 1 or 2 issues.
I hate comics. Hate them! Bagging and boarding, storage...all of it. It really is liberating to get rid of them and keep them gone. TPB's and HC's are the way to go. Not only are the easier to store, but it makes rereading certain story arcs a 1,000 times more likely. How many times have you all gone back and reread a certain story arc of comics you bought in 92 vs grabbign a tpb off the shelf on a rainy sunday afternoon to reread? I still buy comics, but I give them away or sell them once I'm done and buy the trades later.
boredsilly
12-21-05, 10:53 PM
Also read the post-Liefeld issue of Teen Titans, which also didn't make much sense to me. Uh... Red Hood attacks Robin because... uh, why again? Why isn't this just an issue of Robin? Where the hell did Donna Troy, Bumblebee and Herald come from? Why is the art so crappy (while still better than the previous two issues?)
Maybe I'm just holding them up to a higher standard after reading the OMAC trade. I think Legion is getting better, but JSA is kinda losing me with the huge, epic storylines one after another. Supes/Batman hasn't been seen in a while (and I was having trouble following that pseudo-Ultimates/Bizarro story anyway), but JSA Classified has been great.
Are you saying the art from OMAC is better than Teen Titans or just the story? I found the art in OMAC to be really lackluster and very muddy. The story was kind of a let down for me as well, but that could be because I went in expecting something other than what a got, so I wouldn't hold that against him. Teen Titans 30 was kinda random, but I loved it (I am a bat family whore). This whole Red Hood business is working for me something major. I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop to let us know what's really going on.
You aren't the only person who has had issues following the latest Supes/Bats storyline. Actually to be honest, I've had issues following both of the last 2 storylines. I think it's because the books stories act more like mini-series than a cohessive comic book. The first arc has nothing to to with the supergirl arc has nothing to do with the alt univers arc has nothing to do with...whatever the hell is going on now.
fujishig
12-22-05, 11:10 AM
Yeah, the Superman/Bats book is like a series of miniseries. But the last one just dropped you in medias res and I still have no idea what's going on. The long delays between issues doesn't help.
I guess I'm just not up on the Bat books, so the Titans issue felt like a throw-away. That's after two throw-away Liefeld issues, making 3 in a row that I didn't care for. Ooo... the red hood dresses up in his old Robin costume to beat the crap out of the new Robin, and just leave him there. Hey, let's attack him in Titans tower, where there are a lot of other superheroes. Good thing Cyborg programmed the Tower to let in all past members of the Titans, dead or alive.
The OMAC thing seemed more cohesive and driving towards a bigger story. In some ways, the early part of the book reminded me of Owlman (based on Blue Beetle) finding and confronting Ozymandias (not to compare the book to Watchmen, but I thought that was pretty cool). Sure, people were out of character (why would Jonn just tell Beetle to get out?), but I think it did a decent job of presenting a story that held together. Maybe it helps that I read it all at once.
Meanwhile, stuff like Supergirl (where she just fights every superhero team in the DC universe for kicks), Superman/Batman (which I think I would drop if I didn't love Mcguinness's art so much) and the latest Titans issues just don't make much sense to me. I think I'm pretty good at suspending my disbelief (these are superheroes after all) but I've just been disappointed lately. And the fact that the artists on Supergirl (ugh, though I thought he was decent on cable) and Titans (what happened to Daniels?) aren't going anywhere might make me drop the titles.
JasonF
12-22-05, 11:35 AM
I hate comics. Hate them! Bagging and boarding, storage...all of it.
This is going to make some of you want to boil me in oil, but ... nobody says you have to bag and board them. I have mine in a big pile. When the pile gets too high, I buy a short box, put them in the short box (still without bags and boards) and start the pile over. When I'm feeling industrious, I sort through them, putting them in order by series and issue number. Every couple of years, I take a couple of short boxes full of stuff I think I'm never going to read again and sell it to my shop for whatever they'll pay (usually about $25 per short box, give or take).
Chew
12-22-05, 11:51 AM
After spending a couple weeks waiting and waiting for Buy.com to ship my copy of Absolute Crisis on Infinite Earths, I decided to cancel my order with them and buy from an Amazon Marketplace seller. I placed my cancel request with Buy and was told it would take a day to clear the warehouse. I proceeded to order from the Marketplace seller.
Today, I check into my account with Buy to find out it shipped! Pretty shortly, I'll have two copies. :rolleyes:
It sure seems like funny timing how it doesn't ship for weeks but then does once the order is canceled. -ohbfrank-
bishop2knight
12-22-05, 12:34 PM
Chew, if you're looking to sell one of 'em, I might be interested. Sorry to hear about your luck...
Chew
12-22-05, 12:38 PM
Once I have both in-hand, I'll let you know.
bishop2knight
12-22-05, 12:45 PM
Well, don't forget, I want a "Packers Fan" discount. :D
Here's a question I posed on another thread I frequent and I'd like to get all of your thoughts. If there are that many, what five books would you never drop?
boredsilly
12-22-05, 01:08 PM
This is going to make some of you want to boil me in oil, but ... nobody says you have to bag and board them. I have mine in a big pile.
Oh, I was never a bag and boarder. My comics would come that way and it was a pain in my ass. I'm a big fan of the stack method, so I'm with you on that. I have really big hands and I think I just prefer the sturdiness of a trade vs that of regular comics. Pretty much trades were like HDTV or Tivo for me. I was totally fine with what I had (comics) until I actually started to use the good stuff (trades) and now I cannot go back...and probably a bit over zelous trying to convert others to my ways ;)
The only draw back to going trade only and why I won't is for stories like Identity and Infinite Crisis and even House of M. I don't think it would be half as fun reading it after the fact. I almost enjoy discussing the stories as much as reading them
Speaking of what did everyone think of Infinite Crisis 3?
The big reveal didn't drop my jaw or anything as I have no ties to those characters. I was really intrigued by the Superman/Batman scene and how defeated Bats seems. Also the Paradise Island developement was pretty awesome.
I'm ready to see what role Nightwing plays in all of this.
fujishig
12-22-05, 01:28 PM
Here's a question I posed on another thread I frequent and I'd like to get all of your thoughts. If there are that many, what five books would you never drop?
Usually the only reason people will never drop books is because they've been collecting a series for a long time and want to be a completionist, or because they've loved the characters for so long that they feel the need to collect them no matter what. I used to be like that. But then with the fact that artists and writers can change at the drop of the hat, I've stopped.
I collected the Busiek/Perez Avengers series when it first came out, and stuck through it even through the horrid last storyline, but even if New Avengers hadn't replaced it, I surely would've stopped anyway. I love JSA, but if the writing and art suffered, I'd drop it. My favorite teams growing up were Teen Titans and the Legion of Superheroes, and I've mainly stuck by them through thick and thin, but even I didn't collect the Jurgens pseudo-Titans, and barely convinced myself to give Waid and Kitson's new book a try (though I'm glad I did). I will suffer through a few issues of crap (like the recent Titans Liefeld stuff) because I still have a little bit of completionist in me, but I won't continue to pick up a book I hate.
Now if you could guarantee me that Johns would always write JSA well with a decent artist, or that the quality of something like Invincible would never drop, then I'd put those two on my never drop list. But I can't even always count on creators to keep up quality: both Claremont and Byrne have really dropped since their heyday in Uncanny.
Sorry, guess I'm no help on this topic. But I'm not going to put up with crappy issues of Spiderman or X-men just because I collected them in my youth, especially if I don't enjoy them. I found that going to college and missing a few months of issues broke me somewhat of my compulsion...
Chew
12-22-05, 01:42 PM
Well, don't forget, I want a "Packers Fan" discount. :D
Well, not too much of one. I can get all my money back ($54.99) from Buy.com after I pay for return shipping. :)
Here's a question I posed on another thread I frequent and I'd like to get all of your thoughts. If there are that many, what five books would you never drop?
I'm with fujishig, I don't think I'm a slave to any book. If it gets to where I don't like it anymore, I won't be buying it.
JasonF
12-22-05, 01:57 PM
Here's a question I posed on another thread I frequent and I'd like to get all of your thoughts. If there are that many, what five books would you never drop?
Probably the only one I can think of is Legion of Superheroes. I started collecting it with Zero Hour, quickly built myself a complete collection of all the back issues, and have been collecting ever since. I bought some back issues knowing they were bad (Legion on the Run and a lot of the stuff from the 2-3 years before Paul Levitz started his second run on the title), and I kept buying the book off the stands even when it wasn't good (the end of McCraw/Peyer/Stern, for example, or the begining of DnA). I didn't even care for the Waid/Kitson stuff at first, though it's grown on me (still doesn't feel like LSH, but the last 4 or 5 issues have felt like a very good comic).
MBoyd
12-22-05, 03:16 PM
Speaking of what did everyone think of Infinite Crisis 3?
I'm ready to see what role Nightwing plays in all of this.
I've read it twice now. Still enjoying it.
My best friend who seems to ALWAYS guess or read enough clues to figure out correctly at what will happen in comics is 99% sure that -
Nightwing/Dick Grayson dies in Crisis. He feels that Dick is the lynchpin of the DCU with close relationships to several generations of heroes. He feels his death would have the most impact of any character. He has said goodbye to Starfire. And there is a new Nightwing in the OYL solicits.
So now my friend is moping around after guessing that one and he has convinced himself it will be. He's always been a favorite for him. Mine to, but not as much.
Not saying it will happen, although I think it's a solid theory. just thought it was interesting that you brought him up as well, boredsilly. I'd like to read what you have to say.
MovieExchange
12-22-05, 04:08 PM
Speaking of what did everyone think of Infinite Crisis 3?
It was well written, but I now find that I can't bring myself to give a damn about these big stories. "The (whatever) universe changes forever!" "(insert hero's name)'s life changes forever!"
Forever = until a new editor and/or writer comes in and pisses all over everything the original writer did. Be it because they think they can make more money by bringing dead character A back for the 50th time, or just because the new guy hates the old guy and wants to destroy everything he worked on (Rob Liefeld destroying Peter David's "Aquaman" run, and pretty much killing the entire book in the process.)
My best friend who seems to ALWAYS guess or read enough clues to figure out correctly at what will happen in comics is 99% sure that -
Nightwing/Dick Grayson dies in Crisis. He feels that Dick is the lynchpin of the DCU with close relationships to several generations of heroes. He feels his death would have the most impact of any character. He has said goodbye to Starfire. And there is a new Nightwing in the OYL solicits.
Actually, what I had heard several months back was that the reason that there's a new Nightwing is because Bruce Wayne is locked up in Arkham, and Dick has taken on the mantle of the Bat.
kevin75
12-22-05, 11:10 PM
james,
did you get my message requesting your list of stuff that you are getting rid of?
Chew
12-23-05, 08:09 AM
Regarding Infinite Crisis: is there a time where ultra-detailed art becomes distracting? There's so much going on in every panel here that you feel you're missing something if you don't commit all the details to memory.
Glad we have the JLA answer from a few months ago.
bishop2knight
12-23-05, 09:47 AM
Kevin, I got your message. I'm still making that list. I think I spoke a bit too soon. I'll have it in your email box sometime in early January. I've just been swamped with other things.
Thanks!
nny
12-24-05, 02:21 AM
I really enjoyed IC 1 and 2, but 3 was a big letdown. The art was very good, but I didn't like anything about the writing. A lot of the scenes should have either been expanded or left out, I didn't care about any of the major plot points, and the dialogue was terrible all the way through. The big reveal for the issue was so lame because ever since issue 1, we've basically known that all 4 of them are the bad guys. The reveal is just that those 2 are more evil than first thought. I guess the Luthor reveal is a big deal, but it seems a little ridiculous. The 4 COIE characters annoy me because I feel that when IC is over they're all going to be gone. It makes IC lose a little of it's impact if those characters are there just to generate the story. It's going to be especially annoying if the climax comes down to something dumb like e2 Supes making the "ultimate sacrifice" to stop the other 2. Maybe if I had read DC comics from before COIE, I could care about these characters more, but I kinda doubt it.
nny
12-24-05, 06:53 PM
The posters here are DC biased, but I'm still surprised that there hasn't been much talk about Marvel's big events. I love Marvel, but their big events have been a bit of a joke. I thought the HOM mini was good, but the tie-ins were terrible.
Decimation seems like it could create some interesting stories, but there's a couple huge flaws with it. The big idea, that mutants will be more persecuted now, seems backwards. With so many of them being eliminated, you'd think people would either just be happy that there were fewer around or that they might sympathize more with the mutants and former mutants. The other problem is that we're told that 99.9% of mutants have lost their powers, but every major character kept their powers. It's so absurd. Magneto and Quicksilver were obviously going to lose their powers because they were the primary targets of Wanda's hate, so I don't count them. Besides that, the only other major character to lose his power has already got it back. I also hear Angel lost his power, but I'm not sure if they've actually shown that yet.
I'm undecided how I feel about the Other so far. I've liked some of it, but overall it's pretty poorly done.
I really wanted to get excited about Civil War, but I don't like Millar. All of his stuff has potential, but he always manages to fuck it up. Oh well, I'll definitely read it because I really like McNiven and I can't help being interested in big event stories. Quesada recently revealed the subject the story will revolve around and I don't know how I feel about it, but it could make for some good stories.
I don't know anything about Annihilation because I'm not that interested in cosmic characters, but I'm sure I'll be curious about it by the time it comes out.
Giantrobo
12-25-05, 02:09 AM
The posters here are DC biased,
:confused:
Jackskeleton
12-25-05, 04:37 AM
The posters here are DC biased, but I'm still surprised that there hasn't been much talk about Marvel's big events. I love Marvel, but their big events have been a bit of a joke.
Somehow I think you found your answer to why the posters here are DC biased.. Because Marvel really has blown it big time with their big events.
Secret War was just proof to that. Oh my god, so many delays that no one gave a fuck about it and it ended how? ugh.. totally worthless.
MBoyd
12-25-05, 08:29 AM
How far did you read back? We had very lengthy discussions on Exiles and The Other. HoM is old news now. I read it but wasn't impressed. Have enjoyed Decimation and Deadly Genesis so far.
When OYL starts at DC, they will be getting most of my comic money as I sample the 'new and improved' titles.
Jackskeleton
12-25-05, 04:41 PM
It was well written, but I now find that I can't bring myself to give a damn about these big stories. "The (whatever) universe changes forever!" "(insert hero's name)'s life changes forever!"
Forever = until a new editor and/or writer comes in and pisses all over everything the original writer did. Be it because they think they can make more money by bringing dead character A back for the 50th time, or just because the new guy hates the old guy and wants to destroy everything he worked on (Rob Liefeld destroying Peter David's "Aquaman" run, and pretty much killing the entire book in the process.)
Actually, what I had heard several months back was that the reason that there's a new Nightwing is because Bruce Wayne is locked up in Arkham, and Dick has taken on the mantle of the Bat.
You're getting more on it. but here is what happens
Dick becomes Batman as Bruce and Selina "Settle down" and expect a child. Bruce becomes commissioner somehow and both him and robin are out of gotham for the whole year. Leaving The Question to become the new hero of the city. Nightwing is now Jason Todd who is in new york.
there's your one year later spoiler for the moment. ;)
Giantrobo
12-25-05, 06:34 PM
Awwweeee. in'nat cuuute. :D
MBoyd
12-25-05, 10:49 PM
I like the sound of that spoiler since :
Everything I have read sounds like the writer is going to make the mystery of Selena's pregnancy a long and drawn out story. Just get it over with! Tell us it's Bruce!
Giantrobo
12-26-05, 03:27 AM
But tell me this in relation to that spoiler and DC continuity both future and past:
does this mean Bruce has two kids? Remember that Bruce had a son with Rhas' daughter. It was even implied that Bruce's son was with him in KINGDOM COME. So does this child exist or what?
MBoyd
12-26-05, 07:46 AM
But tell me this in relation to that spoiler and DC continuity both future and past:
does this mean Bruce has two kids? Remember that Bruce had a son with Rhas' daughter. It was even implied that Bruce's son was with him in KINGDOM COME. So does this child exist or what?
I could be wrong, but I think that those 2 or 3 Demon graphic novels have been considered out of continuity for awhile. I think they were in continuity when written though. And I'm pretty sure the past relationship with Talia is still in continuity.
Giantrobo
12-26-05, 08:44 AM
I could be wrong, but I think that those 2 or 3 Demon graphic novels have been considered out of continuity for awhile. I think they were in continuity when written though. And I'm pretty sure the past relationship with Talia is still in continuity.
Ok, but what about KINGDOM COME, apparently it more or less <i>is</i> in a future continuity. Which would mean that the Demon books are to seome degree in it too. So what does this mean for the character mentioned in my spoiler?
MBoyd
12-26-05, 03:02 PM
I don't see how Kingdom Come could be in any continuity, especially now that Mark Waid's hypertime has pretty much gone away. But of course with the Crisis going on all bet's are off. I think it's just a possible future and we can choose to include the Demon graphic novel's events or not in that or not. In the basic Batman/Detective comics they aren't ever referred to, but the Catwoman events will be part of continuity OYL. so if the baby is indeed Bruce's - which I personally think fan's would like - Bruce will only have one son/daughter. Of course Dick is his adopted one as well, and I'm still not sure he is sticking around :(
From Geoff Johns we saw what his idea of the future DCU was in recent Teen Titans comics. And since he is the architect of the DCU currently, I'd have to defer to that vision (at least this week) rather than Kingdom Come.
Jackskeleton
12-26-05, 04:40 PM
If you ever read any "Future" in comics.. assume it will never happen that way by the simple actions of the story arcs.
What ever happened to the man of tomorrow is a wonderful story.. but it will never happen. Titans of the future was cool but it's not going to happen. Kingdom come is not the DCU future. It's elseworlds and nothing more. Don't hold it as what will happen with the comic arcs.
Giantrobo
12-27-05, 08:53 AM
I understand the "Future storylines" in the comic industry shouldn't be taken too seriously. I also understand the "Elseworlds" concept. I'm also aware that right now anything is possible with a "Crisis" looming. I guess I was under the impression that "KC" was considered a "very possible" future in terms of being closer than most storylines.
I guess my point was since Bruce and Talia "hooked up" and their was something from that union I wondered what happened to the "something".
fujishig
12-27-05, 11:34 AM
Ok, read through Days of Vengeance, or whatever that Countdown to Crisis trade was called. Another stinker, and the only connection it seems to have with Crisis is the blue beetle thing and the rock of eternity thing. Otherwise, it's basically Eclipso latches onto the hot-villain-of-the-week, easily convinces the Spectre to get rid of all magic and commit suicide, and a team of 4th string magic users is formed that pretty much do absolutely nothing in the big scheme of things. Oh, they can brag that they "beat" the Spectre, failing to mention that they had to use the power of every other magic user on Earth. Good job, guys. At least you got to WATCH how it all ended, not that you guys did anything to help. Geez. Can't wait for the umpteenth try at a magic-based superhero book that will fail in it's first year. As a bonus I got more Ian Churchill art.
So how's Rann-Thanagar War (and what's up with the new one-shot coming out) and Villains Inc.?
MBoyd
12-27-05, 05:47 PM
Rann-Thannagar was my least favorite. I enjoyed Day OF Vengence, but maybe I just had more patience for the plot because I liked the characters and their banter. Villains United is still the best IMHO and so far seems to have tied in the most with Crisis and other monthly books. I'll be picking up all one shots whoich I assume wrap up loose ends, tie into Crisis more and act as a bridge (advertisement) to the ongoing series coming up from those minis. Shadowpact, Ion, Checkmate and Suicide Squad (i think that's the one from Villains).
And in other news . . . did anyone see Superman/Batman #23 and All Star Batman and Robin #3 (AKA big train wreck that I'm loving to watch) are actually being shipped this week.
JasonF
12-27-05, 08:00 PM
If you ever read any "Future" in comics.. assume it will never happen that way by the simple actions of the story arcs.
What ever happened to the man of tomorrow is a wonderful story.. but it will never happen. Titans of the future was cool but it's not going to happen. Kingdom come is not the DCU future. It's elseworlds and nothing more. Don't hold it as what will happen with the comic arcs.
But Days of Future Past is going to happen, right?
JasonF
12-27-05, 08:02 PM
Villains United is still the best IMHO and so far seems to have tied in the most with Crisis and other monthly books.
I just read Villains United and was thoroughly underwhelmed. If that's the best of the Countdown minis, I'm going to steer clear of the rest of them.
MovieExchange
12-27-05, 08:16 PM
I just read Villains United and was thoroughly underwhelmed. If that's the best of the Countdown minis, I'm going to steer clear of the rest of them.
Villains was second best. Bill Willingham's work on Day of Vengeance was better.
Stoney
12-27-05, 09:09 PM
I'm thinking of picking up the Infinite Crisis stuff, but is there anything I should read first? Should I just wait for the trade with everything all together?
boredsilly
12-28-05, 11:00 AM
And in other news . . . did anyone see Superman/Batman #23 and All Star Batman and Robin #3 (AKA big train wreck that I'm loving to watch) are actually being shipped this week.
[Balke from Another 48 Hours] Get the **** out of here![/Balke from Another 48 Hours]. That's great news about Superman/Batman as the last page of issue 22 was a bit of a geek gasm for me. Can't wait to see what they do with that. All Star Batman and Robin...I'll probably read it.
I'm thinking of picking up the Infinite Crisis stuff, but is there anything I should read first? Should I just wait for the trade with everything all together?
That book would be about 3 feet thick. What would probably be a better option is reading one of the online guides that show you how everything came to get here since they've been building up to this for a few years now. Newsarama has had some good comprehensive stuff that has gone all the way back to the 40's that look at how things came to be and IGN (http://comics.ign.com/articles/598/598330p1.html) has a more current look at the happenings.
The things that are very obvious tie ins that lead directly into the crisis and not just loosely related to it are Identity Crisis, Countdown to Infinite Crisis, the four minis (Vills United, OMAC, Days of V, Rann/Thann - some of which I skipped for lack of interest, but everyone says they're important) which are all covered in the IGN guide. Different people will tell you different things that should be read so that varies to the person who just wants an overview of whats going down to the person who wants to see every single reference. I mean you could look at the current runs of Batman, Superman/Batman, Teen Titans, Outsiders, and Wonder Woman among others too, but that's a boat load of reading. I would say Identity Crisis is a good place to start.
Chew
12-28-05, 11:21 AM
I'd say Crisis on Infinite Earths is also required reading.
JWP: the first of my two Crisis copies arrived. I expect the second from Buy.com by the end of the week. Are you still interested, or do I return the one from Buy?
boredsilly
12-28-05, 11:25 AM
I'd say Crisis on Infinite Earths is also required reading.
Doh! Just call me Captain (forget the) Obvious. Though I do think a lot of the context of that story is lost (or at least it was on me) reading it so after the fact.
Stoney
12-28-05, 11:45 AM
Yah, I've read Crisis on Infinite Earths...just not too versed in the recent crisis stuff. I'll go out and pick up the Identity Crisis trade and go from there. Thanks for the guide suggestion.
Chew
12-28-05, 11:52 AM
Though I do think a lot of the context of that story is lost (or at least it was on me) reading it so after the fact.
That's why I can't wait to dive into the Absolute Edition in which the second volume discusses all of that context.
I figure Infinite Crisis is one of those rare titles I'll be keeping the issues handy for re-reads. ;)
fujishig
12-28-05, 12:15 PM
Hmm... I now realize that some parts of the OMAC TPB are actually pages from Countdown to Infinite Crisis (and Wonderwoman). I can't imagine reading just the miniseries and not this other stuff. So I'd wait for the trades, so you don't have to pick up every single issue that might possibly be tied into IC. They do a good job of collecting them. Though JSA Classified (at least the first arc with Power Girl) also seems like a must read, and to my knowledge a collection hasn't been announced. And there is a new trade solicited for the Donna Troy miniseries (unfortunately they bundled it up with the horrific Titans/YJ miniseries where a Superman robot... nevermind)
Day of Vengeance was the best mini? Really? I like the magic users of the DC universe... I think I was one of the only five people to pick up both the last Ragman series and Primal Force. But I doubt I'll pick up whatever spins out of this series. I admit, the narration was pretty well-done, but the "team" doesn't really do much to affect what happens. BTW, anyone know where Black Alice originally came from? She's the only one without an intro in the trade.
boredsilly
12-28-05, 12:28 PM
That's why I can't wait to dive into the Absolute Edition in which the second volume discusses all of that context.
I figure Infinite Crisis is one of those rare titles I'll be keeping the issues handy for re-reads. ;)
Maybe I need to pick that up.
bishop2knight
12-28-05, 12:34 PM
Chew, how much would it be, delivered? I'd love to read it, but I'm wary. Hate to spend too much for something that won't make that much sense. :D
Chew
12-28-05, 12:47 PM
Since I would have to spend the money on return shipping anyway, I'll split the difference between how much I paid for my second copy and the Buy.com copy: $53 shipped (via paypal?).
As to the "making sense", I would say that's what the second volume is for. :) But, that's for you to decide.
The 96-page Book Two contains a compendium featuring the full behind-the scenes story on the making of the maxiseries, complete with memos, notes, original plots and commentary from Wolfman and Ordway; the Official Index to Crisis and Official Index to Crisis crossovers being reprinted for the very first time, completely updated; a look into post-Crisis events; how the Superboy/Legion conundrum was solved, and a look at the 20th anniversary of this seminal event.
MBoyd
12-28-05, 06:36 PM
Crazy Crazy rumors and spoilers here!
Seems those that theory about Bruce Wayne becoming the Spectre's new host may have validity because...BATMAN DIES! Apparently, he gets shot by somebody (although the poster doesn't say, I think he's talking about Hush) who has somehow obtained the very same gun that killed Bruce's parents. Batman survives, but is wounded by a bullet and is forced to kill the guy in self-defense (sounds just like something Lieberman would come up with). Then during Infinite Crisis, Batman confronts the Joker (who, I assume, also "dies" due to a explosion, no trace of a body, the usual) but during the stuggle, Batman reopens his bullet wound and starts bleeding to death. Before he dies, he manages to say his good-byes and passes the mantle on to Dick Grayson (Now if there's any truth to this--which I hope there isn't--then I suspect that the grave that gets violated according to Wizard is Bruce Wayne's. The culprit is Talia who seeks to resurrect her "beloved" via a Lazarus Pit. This will prompt the new Batman and Robin's year long absence from Gotham in order to search for the body a la Star Trek III:The Search for Spock Meanwhile, Bruce is the Spectre during 52 until he's brought back to life and will end up wandering the globe within the pages of Detective Comics while we follow Dick's adventures in Batman. That is, until Bruce returns to Gotham, reclaims the mantle from an injured Dick, just in time for the sequel to Batman Begins.)
--Jason Todd WILL BE the new Nightwing and relocate his base of operations to New York City.
--Tim Drake will still be Robin, but is now more jaded...which hints at how he ended up being in the "Titans Tomorrow" arc.
--The father of Catwoman's baby IS Bruce Wayne and it's a girl who Selina names--surprise, surprise--Helena.
--Not only is the Earth-2 Superman a patsy, but so are Earth-Prime Superboy and Alexander Luthor, all of whom are being manipulated by what's left of the Anti-Monitor, who is revealed to be LOIS LANE FROM EARTH 2. Seems the Anti-Monitor/Lois is going to use Alex's machine to reconsitute itself. Kal-L gets wise to this and ends up sacrificing himself to destroy the Anti-Monitor once and for all. As a result, the "darkness" in the post-crisis universe is dispelled.
--Another side-effect of this is certain people who were dead come back including:
--Ted Kord, who serves as a mentor for the new Blue Beetle and...
The replacement for Jay Garrick on the JSA...Barry Allen.
I love them! I can't get enough of the speculation! This is how I felt in 1996-1997 with Episode 1 spoilers!
edit: fixed dead link with text
bishop2knight
12-28-05, 06:49 PM
Since I would have to spend the money on return shipping anyway, I'll split the difference between how much I paid for my second copy and the Buy.com copy: $53 shipped (via paypal?).
As to the "making sense", I would say that's what the second volume is for. :) But, that's for you to decide.
Chew, how long are you willing to hold on to the copy? I'm willing to pay that price, but I need to wait until A) my next paycheck, or B) I win my fantasy football chapionship this weekend and get paid for that.
So, within 2.5 weeks. Will that suffice?
MBoyd
12-28-05, 06:52 PM
Let's start a bidding war! I'll give you $63 for it Chew . . .
I keed! I keed!! ;)
I'm glad you got one and hopefully James will have the extra soon as well! It's truly a beautiful book. Enjoy!
Chew
12-29-05, 05:51 AM
So, within 2.5 weeks. Will that suffice?
Sounds fine.
You're awful sure of "B" aren't you? ;)
boredsilly
12-29-05, 08:22 AM
I know <b>Giantrobo</b> hates it, but I fell it's my duty to point out the Teen Titan TPB's are only $6 bones and change over at instocktrades.com. Crazy good price for some fun reading.
Linn1
12-29-05, 10:23 AM
As an aside, I got Absolute Crisis on Infinite Earths for $15! :) Booksamillion had a misprice in their system for about two hours where they were selling the Absolute edition for the trade paperback price. I'm working there now(worst place to work in the world, they treat employees worse than any company I've ever worked for) and saw it in the system. I quickly placed an order for three without my discount and had them shipped to my house to lock in the price. Within a couple of hours it was back to be 80 something dollars. I got the box last week right before Christmas. BTW, the others are for friends, I'm not that greedy. :)
Giantrobo
12-29-05, 02:56 PM
I know <b>Giantrobo</b> hates it, but I fell..
Nope. I love it when people fall. :D
MovieExchange
12-29-05, 03:32 PM
Picked up this week's batch of books...
After reading All-Star Batman & Robin, I just have one question - what the hell happened to Frank Miller? Is he really writing this crap, or did DC somehow find a way to slap his name on the ravings of an autistic 8-year-old?
bishop2knight
12-29-05, 04:13 PM
ASB&R #3 was a decent read, but certainly not worth $3. Maybe half that. And that's just because of some of the pretty pictures (of which there were way too many splash pages).
boredsilly
12-29-05, 04:44 PM
Nope. I love it when people fall. :D
Ouch :P.
MovieExchange
12-29-05, 05:24 PM
ASB&R #3 was a decent read, but certainly not worth $3. Maybe half that. And that's just because of some of the pretty pictures (of which there were way too many splash pages).
It's just looking like he's not able to write material anymore.
For example, that pointless Black Canary tripe. I bought "All Star Batman & Robin," not "All Star Black Canary." Instead of taking up 2/3 the book, that part should have taken 3, maybe 4 pages top.
Black Canary: 15 pages.
Batman & Robin: 4 pages, all splash pages.
Superman: 3 pages.
MBoyd
12-29-05, 07:34 PM
Oh yeah, on the other comic forums people are calling for blood over ASBR #3. Crazy stuff!
Jackskeleton
12-29-05, 08:14 PM
Oh man, you have to be kidding me. ALL STAR BATMAN & ROBIN is awsomely great. Just for the simple fact that it's soooooo out there.
I mean, really, you folks didn't see this coming with lines like "I have a date with bruce wayne" or "you retarded or something? I'm the goddamn batman!" It's a great read for the laughs alone.
MovieExchange
12-29-05, 08:43 PM
Oh man, you have to be kidding me. ALL STAR BATMAN & ROBIN is awsomely great. Just for the simple fact that it's soooooo out there.
I mean, really, you folks didn't see this coming with lines like "I have a date with bruce wayne" or "you retarded or something? I'm the goddamn batman!" It's a great read for the laughs alone.
I tolerated that, even though I felt it wasn't up to par with Frank's other work.
But the whole (as I call it) "All Star Black Canary" thing pisses me off. I basically paid $3 and got 4 pages of what I thought I was paying for an entire book of.
Between this and All-Star Superman (featuring what can only be described as StonerMan on the cover), I'm reminded of the last time they tried to do a massive "re-imagining" of the DC Universe... when they let Stan Lee do it. What a trainwreck that was.
Chew
12-30-05, 06:02 AM
Looks like I'm not going to regret stopping my ASBR advance ordering after I read issue #2 after all. :)
boredsilly
12-30-05, 08:34 AM
Anyone read Superman/Batman 23? Anyone else have their brain explode? Maybe it's that Bizarro/Batzarro double speak, or so much happening, but I came away from that issue totally lost. Again.
If I wasn't such a sucker for Ed's artwork I would probably stop. I'm really curious to see what the next creative team does with the book.
Chew
12-30-05, 09:16 AM
Anyone read Superman/Batman 23? Anyone else have their brain explode? Maybe it's that Bizarro/Batzarro double speak, or so much happening, but I came away from that issue totally lost. Again.
My shipment is late this week. :(
But, I've been pretty lost with this entire storyline.
MBoyd
12-30-05, 09:55 AM
Oh happy days are here kids! New comics are up on DCBS and it looks like they went to 40% off rather than the usual 35%. Have fun trying all those new OYLs from DC!
Hope they keep that up. It will make 52 a little easier on the wallet.
boredsilly
12-30-05, 10:11 AM
I wonder how they will trade 52? Obviously it won't be 52 issues though it's possible like the Ultimate Spidey Omnibus. I guess I'm more curious about the schedule. DC is very lax in their trade turn around time compared to marvel, but 52 seems like something they should rush. Make it as easy as possible for someone to jump on after the fact if they want to.
bishop2knight
12-30-05, 10:27 AM
I think there are several storylines in 52, ones involving a few different characters. I'm assuming that each story will get its own trade. So maybe 5-8 issues at a time? So maybe each character's story will get 3 or 4 trades?
Chew
12-30-05, 11:25 AM
New comics are up on DCBS and it looks like they went to 40% off rather than the usual 35%.
Is that a "Merry Christmas/Happy New Year" one month special or is this the new pricing discount for 2006?
bishop2knight
12-30-05, 01:08 PM
Not to make this a DCBS thread, but I love the new discount, just not at the risk of losing the bigger specials. I noticed the trades aren't discounted like they usually are, and there's only one book at 75 cents that I'm interested in.
MovieExchange
12-30-05, 04:08 PM
I wonder how they will trade 52? Obviously it won't be 52 issues though it's possible like the Ultimate Spidey Omnibus. I guess I'm more curious about the schedule. DC is very lax in their trade turn around time compared to marvel, but 52 seems like something they should rush. Make it as easy as possible for someone to jump on after the fact if they want to.
DC does rush it out when it's important, like collecting the 4 Infinite Crisis lead-in series. It's been 3 months and I think all 4 trades are out or will be by next week.
I'd say the best way to trade 52 is to do 4 tpb's. Get the first 13 issues done, pack 'em together, get 'em out while the next 13 are coming out. That way they're spaced out enough so that the trades-only folk don't go bankrupt trying to get them all in one week (unless they want to wait for all 4), and maybe someone tries one trade, likes it, and starts picking up the series at the comic shop.
MBoyd
12-30-05, 06:06 PM
I'm afraid to email DCBS and ask if the 40% off is here to stay! What if it was a mistake and the take it away! :p
Read my friends copy of ASBR #3 and I have to say it was the best part of an otherwise crappy day dealing with my various car issues. I'm with Jackskeleton I'm in it for the laughs alone. It's ridiculous. The Superman stuff at the end! Dick's face is on a milk carton already and the top of the page says 15 hours ago? Does that make sense to anyone? haven't just a few minutes past since Batman rescued Dick? WTF?
Is this comic just Miller's big FU to DC saying i can do whatever I want and you will pay me? Is he sick of Batman? Then why is he so interested in writing and drawing that Batman vs terrorists 200 page graphic novel he's been working on for a few years and happily brings up every moment he can?
JasonF
12-31-05, 01:51 AM
Is this comic just Miller's big FU to DC saying i can do whatever I want and you will pay me?
Dark Knight Strikes Again was Miller's "Fuck You" to DC and the fans. This is just the exclamation point.
Graftenberg
12-31-05, 02:48 AM
Is Alias a good buy? DCBS has the hardcover for 50% off.
kevin75
12-31-05, 08:41 AM
i started out not liking it much, but the more i read, the better it got. for half off i would say get it, and then ebay it if you don't like it.
benedict
12-31-05, 08:59 AM
Let's have an all-new one of these starting tomorrow. Hopefully people won't be too desperate to post today and can hang on for a few hours until 2006....
Buy: