I dont plan on getting the 360 as I didnt even own the first XB, but the PS3 is what I want. However, having played the 360 its just fucking sweet and Im very tempted to get it. The only thing is the price for the premium package.
I wouldnt mind getting the 360, but the PS3 would probably be better in the long run. providing its well priced. Anyone head any mumblings on it? I heard $299 but I have no idea if thats a premium package or what.
kgrogers1979
11-20-05, 04:56 PM
My guess is that the PS3 will retail between $400 and $500. I would be very surprised if it came out at less than $400. Supposedly, the Cell processor and of course Blu-Ray are very new technologies, so they are going to be expensive.
I also don't think that Sony will release "core" and "premium" packages like Microsoft did. Microsoft only did that because that way they can say they launched at $300, and it wouldn't be a lie. Anyone with half a brain though will not buy a "core" package.
Mr. Cinema
11-20-05, 04:59 PM
If it's priced between 400 and 500, there's no way in hell I'll be getting a PS3 when it launches. It's looking more likely that if I do get a launch console, it'll be a Revolution.
Apollo
11-20-05, 05:00 PM
I dont plan on getting the 360 as I didnt even own the first XB, but the PS3 is what I want. However, having played the 360 its just fucking sweet and Im very tempted to get it. The only thing is the price for the premium package.
I wouldnt mind getting the 360, but the PS3 would probably be better in the long run. providing its well priced. Anyone head any mumblings on it? I heard $299 but I have no idea if thats a premium package or what.
No way!!! If Sony includes a Blu Ray Drive I expect the price to be $500 or higher. It depends on the intro price of Blu ray drives. I plan on taking a wait and see stand on this console.
gp98
11-20-05, 05:14 PM
I think it will depend on how well the XBox360 sells. If the $400 xboxes are selling well, the PS3 will probably go for that much.
Remember that Nintendo's the only company that tries to make money selling their consoles. So it's not how much the console costs to make but how much customers are willing to play.
JM
11-20-05, 05:24 PM
While no one knows for sure, all indications are that the PS3 will be more expensive than even the Xbox 360 premium package. Whatever the price, the Sony (over) hype machine will manage to convince people to buy it though.
Slowpc
11-20-05, 05:24 PM
Sony can't lose too much money on the systems at launch , and the bluray drive costs around $115 for themselves so the cost to the consumer I believe will be in the 500 dollar range..
and.. yea .. the hype machine is allready churing (sp). I have many customers comming in saying that it is going to be 10times more powerful, HD gaming, its a playstation, the MGS video,all this power... then they ask for an RF adaptor for their ps2.
Josh H
11-20-05, 05:30 PM
I think it will launch at $399. Only way it's cheaper is if they opt to make a cheaper no blu-ray version, and just have all the games on standard DVDs. But I don't see that happening as they want to push blu-ray players into homes.
joshd2012
11-20-05, 05:33 PM
Its not going to be more than $399 - thats pretty much all we know.
Slowpc
11-20-05, 05:37 PM
Sony has been taking out things from the early design ... so maybe 400 bucks is do-able. I still see a 500 buck pricetag something they could do.
darkessenz
11-20-05, 05:57 PM
damn no parents are gonna spend 500 bucks for their kids on a system. At least my parents never would have, even if they had the money
Maxflier
11-20-05, 06:27 PM
I'd bet it will be $399 at launch.
Groucho
11-20-05, 06:35 PM
I think a lot will depend on the success/failure of the Xbox360.
Draven
11-20-05, 07:56 PM
$399 at the absolute cheapest...too much tech for a sub $300 price tag.
johnglad
11-20-05, 07:59 PM
Its not going to be more than $399 - thats pretty much all we know.
We don't know that AT ALL. And the smart money is on the system being MORE THAN $400. I have heard rumors of up to $700. It used to be said that the early HD-DVD players would be close to $1000, as was very early dvd players, dvhs players, and HD TIVOs at launch.
I'd bet definitely less than $700, but I would be thrilled with a $500 price point. I'd be shocked at $399.
Decker
11-20-05, 08:14 PM
I'm hoping for $400, but we don't know. I read that Sony execs said "It will be expensive. It should be something that makes one say 'I will work harder to save for one of those'" , or something like that. Not very encouraging for the budget-minded among us.
sureAV421
11-20-05, 08:14 PM
i think they'll look at how the 360 faired with their pricing strategy. If the CORE fails, as i'm sure it will, Sony will offer only one version of the PS3. I'm hoping for a 300-400 pricetag as thats as much i'll spend on it. If MGS4 launched with it though (it won't) i'd probably go up to 500. I think the BR drive is the thing holding it up and will jack up the price. But if it is $500, the 360 will probably be in the $300 range and take alot of its customers. If they launch at $300 i'd be somewhat surprised, but it'd pretty much knock any momentum the 360 had out of it.
joshd2012
11-20-05, 08:33 PM
We don't know that AT ALL. And the smart money is on the system being MORE THAN $400. I have heard rumors of up to $700. It used to be said that the early HD-DVD players would be close to $1000, as was very early dvd players, dvhs players, and HD TIVOs at launch.
I'd bet definitely less than $700, but I would be thrilled with a $500 price point. I'd be shocked at $399.
"The first HD player will be on the market for USD 1,000. PS3 could be at USD 300 or USD 400. Sony will be selling them at a loss the first six months to a year just to get Blu-Ray players out in the market." - Sony CEO Howard Stringer
This is the only official talk about the price of the PS3 from a Sony exec. Its the only thing we know for sure. Everything else is just speculation.
johnglad
11-20-05, 08:57 PM
That statement may be official and from the CEO, but it tells us nothing.
Notice the "could be" in that statement. Also, the real question is "How much for the whole package?" Will $400 get you a hard-drive? Will it get you a working remote with all functions for your blu-ray player? Will the controllers all be wireless? Will it include internet accounts for online games? We are talking about a video game player, blu-ray player and possibly 2 1080p outputs with HDMI. Certainly 1 HDMI output at 1080p. I'll bet it doesn't come with an HDMI cable (there is another $50-$100 for many people).
Microsoft is taking a loss on the xbox 360 at $400. Sony would have to take even more of a loss on this bad boy even at $500. People paid $300 for the ORIGINAL Playstation at lauch in like 1994. Or $200+ for an Atari in the 1970s. $500 for a ps3 and they would still sell like hotcakes. The price always goes down, so lauch will be the most expensive it will ever be. I'd still be happy at $500, but it is a purchase for me (as well as many others) if they put out a great package with all the features they are discussing at anything less than $1000. This isn't your grand-dads video game system and high definition gaming is currently very pricey.
Not to mention that if you don't have a high definition TV in your house, no one should be spending money on a ps3 or an xbox 360. The HDTV should come first without a doubt IMHO.
Terrell
11-20-05, 09:14 PM
"The first HD player will be on the market for USD 1,000. PS3 could be at USD 300 or USD 400. Sony will be selling them at a loss the first six months to a year just to get Blu-Ray players out in the market." - Sony CEO Howard Stringer
Sounds like Mr. Stringer is dreaming. He probably doesn't have a clue what the price will be.
Gallant Pig
11-20-05, 09:25 PM
They could pull an MS and go $400 for a barebones version and $500 for the deluxe version. Or just charge $500 right out of the gate.
Either way Ravenous , the Xbox Premium will probably be $300 by the time the PS3 comes out so you should factor that into the equation. Look for the graphics to be virtually the same.
Mr. Cinema
11-20-05, 09:29 PM
damn no parents are gonna spend 500 bucks for their kids on a system. At least my parents never would have, even if they had the money
I agree. How many kids' parents are going to shell out almost $600 so their kid can play a game?
boredsilly
11-20-05, 10:04 PM
I agree. How many kids' parents are going to shell out almost $600 so their kid can play a game?
Hell how many grown folks will...ok, a lot, but I'm certainly not going to be one of them. $300 seemed like a hell of a lot for a system when the PS2 and X-Box came out, $400 -$500 + games? Catch me after a price cut.
One great thing about waiting is not only will the system be cheaper but their will be a plethora of greatest hits type games out there for buying.
joshd2012
11-20-05, 10:06 PM
I love how whenever the mention of pricing comes up, everyone turns into an inside source at Sony. Look, the truth is nobody knows what the price will be and anyone who claims otherwise is a fucking retard.
Furthermore, anyone who speculates that Sony would release a console for more than $400 is either a) just now getting into the videogaming scene and has no idea what a PS1, PS2, or PSP is or b) a fucking troll looking for attention.
I'm not sure why everyone thinks Sony is going to try to change the videogaming industry. Selling a PS3 at a huge discount is already something which has been accepted. It was done with the PS2 and PSP, and it will happen again. So stop speculating at a price that you can have no idea what it is. Anyone who followed the 360 launch should have already learned that nothing is certain when talking about money.
Brooklyn
11-20-05, 10:39 PM
We don't know that AT ALL. And the smart money is on the system being MORE THAN $400. I have heard rumors of up to $700. It used to be said that the early HD-DVD players would be close to $1000, as was very early dvd players, dvhs players, and HD TIVOs at launch.
I'd bet definitely less than $700, but I would be thrilled with a $500 price point. I'd be shocked at $399.
I think you're going to end up being shocked then, and that's a good thing :)
$700 isn't going to happen, it'd be 3DO comparison central. And I highly doubt
they'd give Microsoft a freebie as far as being able to tout that their system
is more affordable (can you imagine the marketing). I believe that even with
the Blu-ray it'll launch for no more than the Xbox 360. They'll take the hit
knowing that in the end they'll slaughter the competition due to their
having a more powerful machine, better Japanese support as far as game
development and the fact that they'll be getting Blu-ray into a lot of houses
that they otherwise wouldn't (just like the PS2 sales in Japan, folks over
there were buying them not only as game machines, but as DVD players as
it was more affordable than the standalone units).
The losses in one department will be made up in others. It may take a little
time, but it'll happen. Look at UMD sales and how those took off like no one
could have imagined, now how many Blu-ray discs do you think they'll sell.
$$$Ca-ching!$$$
Gallant Pig
11-20-05, 10:43 PM
nobody knows what the price will be and anyone who claims otherwise is a fucking retard.
anyone who speculates that Sony would release a console for more than $400
You seem to know it's going to be below $400? Does that put you in the fucking retard category? ;)
Do you have a link where Sony says it's going to be under $400?
Corvin
11-20-05, 10:46 PM
I love how whenever the mention of pricing comes up, everyone turns into an inside source at Sony. Look, the truth is nobody knows what the price will be and anyone who claims otherwise is a fucking retard.
Furthermore, anyone who speculates that Sony would release a console for more than $400 is either a) just now getting into the videogaming scene and has no idea what a PS1, PS2, or PSP is or b) a fucking troll looking for attention.
I'm not sure why everyone thinks Sony is going to try to change the videogaming industry. Selling a PS3 at a huge discount is already something which has been accepted. It was done with the PS2 and PSP, and it will happen again. So stop speculating at a price that you can have no idea what it is. Anyone who followed the 360 launch should have already learned that nothing is certain when talking about money.
Wait a minute. You're telling people to "stop speculating at a price," and that anyone who does is "a fucking retard." Did I follow that right?
But then you go on to write that "anyone who speculates that Sony would release a console for more than $400 is either a) just now getting into the videogaming scene and has no idea what a PS1, PS2, or PSP is or b) a fucking troll looking for attention."
Aren't you speculating? Afterall, you're assuming that Sony will not sell a console for more than $400 based on judgments that seem just as precarious as those of the others posters. And doesn't that make you a "fucking retard" also?
Just a thought.
Edit: Gallant Pig beat me to it.
Gallant Pig
11-20-05, 10:48 PM
josh - if you ask nicely I could see if the Admins can get you a special custom member title that says "Fucking Retard Edition". Let me know, thx.
GreenMonkey
11-20-05, 11:01 PM
To push the PS3 to cheaper than the Xbox360 next year would bankrupt Sony faster than it would Microsoft. You betcha that you will see at least a $50 pricedrop for the PS3 release.
Sony is biting even more money than Microsoft thanks to the expensive Blu-ray drive and expensive Cell processor. Reasonable estimates show at least $100 higher price for Sony to manufacture it. For them to be biting $200-$300 a console would destroy their finances...imagine selling millions of them at -$100 to -$200. Unless they had a lot of loans floating around (or their TV/electronics business drastically turns around this year).
My money is on a $399-$499 launch. It would be insane to go any higher (and I think Sony and Microsoft are insane at $400 now).
fumanstan
11-20-05, 11:21 PM
Furthermore, anyone who speculates that Sony would release a console for more than $400 is either a) just now getting into the videogaming scene and has no idea what a PS1, PS2, or PSP is or b) a fucking troll looking for attention.
That's pretty ridiculous. There's been more then a few analysts who have speculated that the PS3 price could be more then $400, many who wouldn't fit either of your criteria.
If speculation like this bothers you so much, you're in the wrong thread. Especially since you just called a lot of people here either a "fucking retard" or a "fucking troll" indirectly.
For the record, I think it will be 399.
belboz
11-20-05, 11:32 PM
Just a few random thoughts that maybe should factor into the discussion:
Sony has a lot more at stake than MS. For them, the success of the PS3 and Blu-ray is absolutley vital to their future profitability. Their game division is one of their most consistently profitable and maintaining the Playstation line's market leadership is probably something they will do at all costs.
For Microsoft, their primary goal this generation is profitability. It's all well and good to establish a solid position in game consoles to tap into a growing market and diversify their income, but it's all rather pointless if they can't actually earn a profit.
Sony's history shows no indication that they'll make a 3DO or Sega error by releasing an overpriced console. They hype the technology and they let pricing speculation run rampant on the high side because then everyone is pleasantly surprised when they actually launch at a reasonable price and its seen as a great value. They did this with both the PS2 and the PSP.
Sony has strategic advantages over MS in terms of their cost structure. They co-own the technology for both Blu-ray and the Cell chips, so they're not paying royalties on them, just manufacturing costs. Sony fabs their own chips and manufactures their own consoles. They can do that because at their core, they're basically a manufacturing company (with a pretty decent marketing dept). MS is a software company. They can and have designed their own chips (in conjunction with IBM and ATI), but they're still paying royalties for the core technology and they have to rely on companies like TSMC and Flextronics to actually make the product.
joshd2012
11-21-05, 08:07 AM
You seem to know it's going to be below $400? Does that put you in the fucking retard category? ;)
Do you have a link where Sony says it's going to be under $400?
For shame Gallent Pig. For shame.
I enjoy the fact that people are reading my post, but I ask you to first gain some understanding of the English language before you do. You will notice that I said anyone who claims to know the price is a fucking retard. I then go on to say that anyone who speculates that the price is higher than $400 is a fucking troll.
There is a difference between knowing and speculating. If you can't comprehend that, please visit www.dictionary.com and learn.
Like I said previously, Gallent Pig, the only official comment by Sony was from what I posted on page one saying that the PS3 would probably be between $300 and $400. You can also look at the history of Sony, where the PS2 was rumored by analyst to be $700 and ended up - not surprisingly - $300, taking a rumored $150 hit on each console sold. Or you could look at the PSP which was being sold for the equivalent of $200 in Japan - a rumored loss of $120 per unit sold.
This is not new. This has been going on for many years with Sony. And if you can't comprehend that then yes, you are either a fucking retard, or a fucking troll.
BeanDip0001
11-21-05, 08:14 AM
josh - if you ask nicely I could see if the Admins can get you a special custom member title that says "Fucking Retard Edition". Let me know, thx.
gallant i'll take that if they let me have an avatar too. i'll be the proud fucking retard edition of dvd talk! :)
i dont see sony going low on price, if they do ms can always match them or go 50 dollars lower to put the #1 in their face. i'm betting 400 or better probably 500 and still no hard drive or online service.
Flay
11-21-05, 08:34 AM
For shame Gallent Pig. For shame.
I enjoy the fact that people are reading my post, but I ask you to first gain some understanding of the English language before you do. You will notice that I said anyone who claims to know the price is a fucking retard. I then go on to say that anyone who speculates that the price is higher than $400 is a fucking troll.
There is a difference between knowing and speculating. If you can't comprehend that, please visit www.dictionary.com and learn.
Like I said previously, Gallent Pig, the only official comment by Sony was from what I posted on page one saying that the PS3 would probably be between $300 and $400. You can also look at the history of Sony, where the PS2 was rumored by analyst to be $700 and ended up - not surprisingly - $300, taking a rumored $150 hit on each console sold. Or you could look at the PSP which was being sold for the equivalent of $200 in Japan - a rumored loss of $120 per unit sold.
This is not new. This has been going on for many years with Sony. And if you can't comprehend that then yes, you are either a fucking retard, or a fucking troll.
Perhaps your point about understanding the English language would have been more effective if you had spelled Gallant correctly.
joshd2012
11-21-05, 08:46 AM
Perhaps your point about understanding the English language would have been more effective if you had spelled Gallant correctly.
Proper name.
DJ_Longfellow
11-21-05, 09:00 AM
I find this amusing....Why don't people wait. All this bitching for nothing. I can see it costing $400+ though...HD DVD is not cheap....yet
Flay
11-21-05, 09:03 AM
Proper name.
As in the proper name, Gallant Pig?
joshd2012
11-21-05, 09:21 AM
As in the proper name, Gallant Pig?
As in proper names are not part of the English language, regardless of where they are derived from. Or did you not know that?
lotsofdvds
11-21-05, 09:25 AM
This sure has taken an ugly turn... I can't imagine a PS3 thread degenerating like this.
PixyJunket
11-21-05, 09:26 AM
Well, we all thought the PSP would be $600 or more and they dropped it on us at a pretty good price considering the hardware (I'll reserve my comments on the damn "value" packaging though) so I wouldn't count my chickens just yet. If it means pissing on Microsoft's fire, I think Sony will gladly take the monetary hit.
PixyJunket
11-21-05, 09:36 AM
This sure has taken an ugly turn... I can't imagine a PS3 thread degenerating like this.The sad part (the TRULY sad part, I might add) is that it's over the price of the console. NOT the games, NOT the system.. the price. :lol:
johnglad
11-21-05, 12:05 PM
I love how whenever the mention of pricing comes up, everyone turns into an inside source at Sony. Look, the truth is nobody knows what the price will be and anyone who claims otherwise is a fucking retard.
Furthermore, anyone who speculates that Sony would release a console for more than $400 is either a) just now getting into the videogaming scene and has no idea what a PS1, PS2, or PSP is or b) a fucking troll looking for attention.
You are basically the only one in this thread that has name-called and basically claims to know what is going on FOR SURE. Meanwhile, your source is an old quote by the CEO trying to drum up early promotion for a new product in which he used the words "could be" between $300-$400.
Yes, we do know they will sell them at a loss. But those losses are never more than $200 a system (and usually far, far less). A $499 price tag with all the fixin's is well within reason. Sounds like somebody doesn't have the money if it goes well over $300, and they react angrily when told it could be a very pricey piece of equipment. Calm down, my man.
joshd2012
11-21-05, 12:22 PM
You are basically the only one in this thread that has name-called and basically claims to know what is going on FOR SURE. Meanwhile, your source is an old quote by the CEO trying to drum up early promotion for a new product in which he used the words "could be" between $300-$400.
Yes, we do know they will sell them at a loss. But those losses are never more than $200 a system (and usually far, far less). A $499 price tag with all the fixin's is well within reason. Sounds like somebody doesn't have the money if it goes well over $300, and they react angrily when told it could be a very pricey piece of equipment. Calm down, my man.
Like I said, the only thing we know for sure is that it won't be more than $400. We come to this conclusion by looking at what has been said by Sony (the quote from the CEO) and historically what Sony has done (ie the PS2 and PSP).
All we have heard is how expensive these Sony products are going to be, and then, not surprisingly, it comes out the same price as everyone else. The first rumors on the PS2 was that because of the "expensive" DVD drive, it would cost users $700 or more - spelling doom for Sony over a much cheaper, and already out DreamCast system. Or even more recently, we hear how the PSP will be $400, and why would any spend more money on a Portable than a console and how it fail. History has shown us that all these price speculations have been 100% wrong, so why do people continue to follow them?
So in this thread, we are see the same thing. "The PS3 is going to be $500 because of the expensive Blu-Ray drive". Sounds awfully familiar to the PS2 and the DVD drive, and look what happened there.
I'm actually more disappointed in the Mods allowing this kind of worthless speculation which only invites people to post negatively and mindlessly.
I do find it funny, that when the question came up about the cost of the 360, everyone said, "$300" because of a statement Mr. Gates said so long ago. But when someone asks about the price of the PS3, no one takes Stringer seriously? Seems like a double-standard to me.
fumanstan
11-21-05, 01:37 PM
Josh, that's your own speculation and you're free to draw your own conclusions on the pricing of the PS3, just like anyone else. You come to the conclusion that it won't be more then $400 based on those tidbits, however it doesn't mean that everyone else has to agree with you. I'm not sure why you have to insist so adamently that others are wrong.
I don't see any reason why the Mods wouldn't allow such a thread, as I haven't seen any negative posts until someone started lashing out and calling people trolls and retards.
fujishig
11-21-05, 02:08 PM
IBTL!
The real question is... at what point does the price become prohibitively high so that even those of us who are insane early-adopters won't get it, no matter what the hype. Of course, this is coming from someone who thought 400 bucks for the Xbox360 was too expensive, and yet still got roped by the hype.
I think, even with a 360 price drop, 400 would be a great pricepoint, as the road has already been paved by the 360 and the price won't seem as insane. 500 is pushing it, but doable... they need to have a great launch lineup, though. Any more than that, and forget about it, I don't need it that badly (*). I had a hard enough time convincing the wife to get the 360... (the conversation pretty much went like this: Well, no, it doesn't play all of the Xbox games I invested money into, and I can't even move the saves off of my old Xbox, so we have to keep the old system around. And I have to buy new $50 controllers since the old controllers won't work. And new games. And it'll probably be a few months before there's a really great game out there that makes the system worth purchasing. And on my non-HDTV, it probably won't look that much better. But it's new and it's going to be hard to get!)
Wait... why am I spending 500 bucks on this year's launch again?
(*) Of course, I reserve the right to change my opinion as it gets closer to launch and we find out there's a (surprise!) shortage, making the PS3 the hot item of Xmas 2006
johnglad
11-21-05, 02:44 PM
Like I said, the only thing we know for sure is that it won't be more than $400. We come to this conclusion by looking at what has been said by Sony (the quote from the CEO) and historically what Sony has done (ie the PS2 and PSP).
You just said it AGAIN. We certainly don't know that for sure. It could end up being true (which is great), but we have no idea. And if you use "historical" standards then the price will never rise. Do you expect the ps5 (in like year 2018) to also be certainly $300 or so? I sure don't.
The real bottom line is that any of these systems are a far better deal than what we paid for an Atari in the 1970s, a Nintendo in the 1980s or the ps1 for $299 at launch that many of us had to play it upside down just to get it to work. The prices have to go up, because the time value of money keeps figuring in. Also, the dollar has been CRAP for the last number of years (thanks to the Bush administration, but that is another topic for another forum with even more volatile arguments). Those dollars are worth far less on the international market now than they were years ago. $500 for the ps3 and you still won't be able to find one anywhere the day after launch and possibly they still lose money on each and every system.
johnglad
11-21-05, 02:48 PM
=fujishigAnd on my non-HDTV, it probably won't look that much better. But it's new and it's going to be hard to get!)
Wait... why am I spending 500 bucks on this year's launch again?
Spend that money on an HDTV. That purchase should come before any xbox 360 purchase or ps3 purchase. $1000 these days gets you a sweet HDTV (which would have been $4000 a few years ago, when many on this forum were diving in). Eat your meal before you order dessert.
Josh H
11-21-05, 02:54 PM
Spend that money on an HDTV. That purchase should come before any xbox 360 purchase or ps3 purchase. $1000 these days gets you a sweet HDTV (which would have been $4000 a few years ago, when many on this forum were diving in). Eat your meal before you order dessert.
I don't think that logic should apply to everyone. Some people would rather spend the money to enjoy new games, rather than get a better resolution TV first.
And I think both are valid viewpoints. Just depends on how much video quality matters to the individual.
Michael Corvin
11-21-05, 03:05 PM
Yes, but one can use the TV to do more than just play games. Like all those hours spent watching tv or dvds.
Josh H
11-21-05, 03:26 PM
Yes, but one can use the TV to do more than just play games. Like all those hours spent watching tv or dvds.
True, but some people just don't care much about video quality, and would rather spend their expendable income on games and dvds rather than saving up for an HDTV.
Just a matter of personal preference.
I'm in no hurry to get an HDTV as it's tough to fit a decent size one in an apartment and they're a pain to move. Combined with not caring much about video quality, I'll wait until I'm done with my Ph D, own a house and have plenty of space for a nice big HDTV. As honestly I want to go up to a big screen or projector more than I care about the resolution.
But others really care about video quality and having an HDTV is extremely important to them for them to enjoy games, dvds or TV.
So it just depends which camp you're in and isn't a case to generalize that everyone should save up for an HDTV before buying a 360 or PS3.
Save Ferris
11-21-05, 03:46 PM
One of the selling points of having an HDTV is that they are in fact easier to move than a glass tube TV. Flat panels as well as rear projections are *much* lighter than crts or tubes.
And to stay on topic:
Ill say that to keep the price under $400 Sony will have 2 versions like the Xbox360 has done-- One system without BluRay and one WITH.
An online service is still way too expensive for them to consider throwing in too.
PixyJunket
11-21-05, 03:53 PM
Ill say that to keep the price under $400 Sony will have 2 versions like the Xbox360 has done-- One system without BluRay and one WITH.If the games are to be (eventually) on Blu-Ray discs, that won't happen.
Save Ferris
11-21-05, 03:55 PM
oops I forgot
orangecrush
11-21-05, 03:59 PM
I think Pixy's point about the early PSP price speculation is apt. I have no idea what the price will be, but I think that it will be much less than what most "analysts" think.
boredsilly
11-21-05, 04:11 PM
The real question is... at what point does the price become prohibitively high so that even those of us who are insane early-adopters won't get it, no matter what the hype. Of course, this is coming from someone who thought 400 bucks for the Xbox360 was too expensive, and yet still got roped by the hype.
I think $500 is the magic line. Since the X-Box costs $400 (not counting the core) $500 isn't that insane. I could see buying one if there were some really killer launch titles. That's the main reason (outside of price) that has me off of the 360, I wouldn't buy any of those games any other time outside of them being the only ones out.
jeffdsmith
11-21-05, 04:25 PM
I think $500 is the magic line. Since the X-Box costs $400 (not counting the core) $500 isn't that insane.
$200 was the limit. $300 was not that insane.
$300 was the limit. $400 was not that insane.
$400 is the limit. $500 is not that insane.
Next generation => $500.
fujishig
11-21-05, 04:56 PM
As far as the HDTV goes:
Sure I could get an HD tube for 1000 bucks, or maybe a smaller widescreen LCD... but I'm not downgrading the size of my TV below 27 inch 4:3, and I don't want another large TV. I'll save up, wait a little more, and get something good.
BTW, this is how the conversation with my better half goes when I talk about getting another TV: Well, the TIVO that you love so much and I paid a lot of money to upgrade to lifetime won't work any better on HDTV. In fact, it'll probably look a lot worse. I'll have to buy or rent new DVRs for it. And we need to upgrade our cable, since OTA signals are pretty much nonexistant where I live. And buy a new TV stand. And I'll be watching a LOT more football. Oh, we'll need to subscribe to some kinda sports package. Don't worry, DVDs will look a lot better, and when I spend even more money to invest in Blu Ray or whatever the next one is, it'll look even better. Trust me on this one...
I agree with the 500 barrier (for now), and I agree with the notion that what is "acceptable" will increase in price over the next few generations. Meanwhile, we'll have all of these things that used to be packed with the system as either separate accessories or in a more expensive bundle. I mean, consoles used to come with two controllers and a game, right?
Goldblum
11-21-05, 05:07 PM
We don't know that AT ALL. And the smart money is on the system being MORE THAN $400. I have heard rumors of up to $700. It used to be said that the early HD-DVD players would be close to $1000, as was very early dvd players, dvhs players, and HD TIVOs at launch.
I'd bet definitely less than $700, but I would be thrilled with a $500 price point. I'd be shocked at $399.
It won't be $700. We all know what happened to the 3DO.
Ravenous
11-21-05, 05:17 PM
Wow, I didnt expect my thread to blow up and get this huge!
I got that $300 price from Gamepro where they were comparing the systems. They said it would be no more. Yet the Sony pres or someshit said it would just be expensive.
I had no idea that the PS3 was going to have all that stuff in it, besides bluray. I really dont care for it though as I dont plan on buying DVDs just that this system can play.
Quick questions. Will the PS3 be compleley backwards compatible, or limited like 360? Will they screw with us when it comes to controllers and memory cards and make us buy new ones like 360? Will it be able to play regular DVDs?
Im hoping itll be $400 at the most, anything more and they can go fuck themselves. Sure itll have this and that, but the principle of spending so much on a game machine dont sit well with me.
Goldblum
11-21-05, 05:18 PM
You are basically the only one in this thread that has name-called and basically claims to know what is going on FOR SURE. Meanwhile, your source is an old quote by the CEO trying to drum up early promotion for a new product in which he used the words "could be" between $300-$400.
Yes, we do know they will sell them at a loss. But those losses are never more than $200 a system (and usually far, far less). A $499 price tag with all the fixin's is well within reason. Sounds like somebody doesn't have the money if it goes well over $300, and they react angrily when told it could be a very pricey piece of equipment. Calm down, my man.
Josh is very good at predicting "certainties". See his prediction for President in 2004 par example. ;)
fujishig
11-21-05, 05:19 PM
I got that $300 price from Gamepro where they were comparing the systems. They said it would be no more.
There's your problem right there...
Goldblum
11-21-05, 05:20 PM
There's your problem right there...
Sad but true. Gamepro is the last place to look for accurate (and insightful) information.
jeffdsmith
11-21-05, 05:34 PM
Josh is very good at predicting "certainties". See his prediction for President in 2004 par example. ;)
Josh can not be held accountable for the fact that America elected an idiot for a president.
jeffdsmith
11-21-05, 05:37 PM
Quick questions.
[1] Will the PS3 be compleley backwards compatible, or limited like 360?
[2]Will they screw with us when it comes to controllers and memory cards and make us buy new ones like 360?
[3]Will it be able to play regular DVDs?
1) Yes and No. Much more so then the 360, but some titles will not work, just like the PS2 <-PS1.
2) I don't know...
3) Yes.
fumanstan
11-21-05, 07:03 PM
Can you even buy a non-Value Pack version here in the US? If not, then that little tidbit about Japan's pricing doesn't really mean anything since we're all looking at a $249 price tag here.
sureAV421
11-21-05, 07:11 PM
If the $400 360 sells well, i'm sure they'll sell the PS3 at $400 and take a loss. I'd assume the 360 would drop to $350 by the time PS3 debuts though. I'd assume they'd bundle in a BR movie or BR trailer disc in with the PS3 to get people aware of the new format. If they can get Blu-Ray into homes and take over the HD market, the loss they take on the PS3 will be re-cooped for many years to come in BR sales/licensing.
Mr. Cinema
11-21-05, 07:53 PM
I wonder if there will be more PS3's available for launch as opposed to the 360. Looks like most stores are not getting many systems at all. Did Microsoft not meet the demand or did they hold out on systems to basically guarantee sellout systems? I know it's a handheld, but when the PSP was first released, I saw them all over the place.
Ginwen
11-21-05, 08:06 PM
It seems pretty likely to me that it will be in the realm of the price of the XBox 360. I think $100 more max (although that will cost them sales) but not more than that--I'm sure if they can find a way to make it palatable, they'll launch at the same price as the 360, but it may be too much of a hit even for Sony.
In response to the OP's other question, I'd be very very surprised if it launched at less than the 360. There just doesn't seem to be a need for them to do that, since a lot of people are going to buy just based on it being the successor to the two most popular non-handheld systems ever (at least, I assume they are).
Coral
11-21-05, 08:41 PM
I'd assume the 360 would drop to $350 by the time PS3 debuts though.
My feeling is that the 360 will drop to $299 by the time the PS3 debuts, because I don't think the PS3 will make a spring release. I bet we see it debut in the summer at the earliest - but more likely in the fall.
I think Sony is further behind than they've led people to believe.
Gallant Pig
11-21-05, 08:45 PM
<b>This isn't Political Talk, this is Video Game Talk. Thank you.</b>
Terrell
11-21-05, 08:57 PM
I enjoy the fact that people are reading my post, but I ask you to first gain some understanding of the English language before you do. You will notice that I said anyone who claims to know the price is a fucking retard. I then go on to say that anyone who speculates that the price is higher than $400 is a fucking troll.
There is a difference between knowing and speculating. If you can't comprehend that, please visit www.dictionary.com and learn.
WOW! That is the best case I've seen of using semantics to try and remove your foot from your mouth.
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