tied 0-0 after 90 minutes. LA scores in overtime, but there's still fifteen more minutes to play.
wildcatlh
11-13-05, 06:39 PM
Because it never has been one. Tradition. People hated golden goal when it was introduced in some FIFA competitions, so they killed it for the most part. Always been a full 30 minute OT, no matter if anyone scores.
wendersfan
11-13-05, 09:55 PM
Hell, in the old days, if the match was tied after 90 minutes they'd just pack up and come back the next day and start all over again. :)
Jericho
11-13-05, 10:21 PM
I liked golden goal more than silver goal, personally
pedagogue
11-13-05, 10:42 PM
I liked golden showers more than silver goals, personally
I love any soccer at any level, but even I've got my limits. ;)
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Mark_vdH
11-14-05, 09:48 AM
Because it never has been one. Tradition. People hated golden goal when it was introduced in some FIFA competitions, so they killed it for the most part. Always been a full 30 minute OT, no matter if anyone scores.Around these parts, we've had silver and golden goal rules in various competitions during the last 10 years, but now the regular 30 minute extra time is back. Which is a very good thing, IMO. The best minutes of extra time in important matches are always those after one team scores and the other team frantically tries to score one back to make it to the penalty series. The sudden death goals I have seen (the one that springs to mind is the golden goal in the EURO '96 final) have all been anti-climaxes.
Well, except for the ones where my team made it..... :)
Cusm
11-14-05, 11:44 AM
I hate sudden death in any sport, it is the lamest thing to take a team sport that is undecided after 60-90 minutes and then the 1st one to score wins. I do not mind shoot outs after an OT or 2, but sudden death is crap.
Draven
11-14-05, 11:56 AM
Can someone explain to me (a non-sports person) why sports bother with overtime/sudden death? Is it simply that a tie is unacceptable?
Ephemeral_Life
11-14-05, 12:11 PM
Can someone explain to me (a non-sports person) why sports bother with overtime/sudden death? Is it simply that a tie is unacceptable?
In most non-US sports, overtime is usually only used in elimination-type competitions and not in league play.
Basically, it is used when there *must* be a loser, since only one team of the two can advance to the next round.
Tommy_Harn
11-14-05, 12:15 PM
It always pisses me off when games go to a shoot-out. To me, its comparable to a Major League Baseball game being decided by a home-run derby or using a long-drive competition to settle a golf tournament.
Ovid
11-14-05, 12:26 PM
It always pisses me off when games go to a shoot-out. To me, its comparable to a Major League Baseball game being decided by a home-run derby or using a long-drive competition to settle a golf tournament.
Totally agree and I think most people do...but, is there any alternative?
Mark_vdH
11-14-05, 12:37 PM
Totally agree and I think most people do...but, is there any alternative?
Before the shoot-out, they used to do a coin-flip.....
bhk
11-14-05, 01:35 PM
Because killing someone by boring them to death takes a long time and can't be called 'sudden'.
:rimshot:
wildcatlh
11-14-05, 01:44 PM
Hell, in the old days, if the match was tied after 90 minutes they'd just pack up and come back the next day and start all over again. :)
That was true as recently as the early 90s (I think that's when it changed) for such high level competitions as the FA Cup in England (now they still do replays until the quarterfinals I believe).
The truth of the matter is, if you didn't limit some of these competitions to 30 minute OT + shootout, you'd have players dropping dead on the pitch. Just look at the Champions League final. There's no way in hell you're going to be able to reschedule that, and it's at the end of the season when the players have already played 50-60+ games. Unless you're going to extend the bench past the original 7 and extend the subs past 3, you're never going to do it... and even then, you're going to end up having the second team on each side decide the most important continental club competition in the world, and nobody wants that.
kenbuzz
11-14-05, 08:55 PM
Maybe they could just get rid of the clock altogether and make the whole game sudden death. It might last 5 minutes, it might last 5 hours -- oh, the thrill!
But seriously, sudden-death or 30 minutes... it's still superior to shoot-outs, even though I admit that by the time you get to a SO, it's really the only practical way to force a win/loss on somebody. It's a byproduct of a sport where scoring is rare.
On the other end of the spectrum, there was the old World Basketball League. If they had an overtime, they turned off the clock, jumped the ball, and played until one team scored 7 points. I saw two OT WBL games... it was thrilling!
Ovid
11-14-05, 11:47 PM
Before the shoot-out, they used to do a coin-flip.....
rotfl
I meant better alternative! -wink-
Jericho
11-15-05, 12:01 AM
I hate sudden death in any sport, it is the lamest thing to take a team sport that is undecided after 60-90 minutes and then the 1st one to score wins. I do not mind shoot outs after an OT or 2, but sudden death is crap.
But what is a fair solution? I mean any length of overtime is just some arbitrary amount of time. In a higher scoring sport, sudden death is pretty ridiculous. But in lower scoring sports, it seems as reasonable as other alternatives. Besides, how often does the other team actually score in a silver goal situation (I have no idea, just wondering the percentages)?
wendersfan
11-15-05, 08:27 AM
Can someone explain to me (a non-sports person) why sports bother with overtime/sudden death? Is it simply that a tie is unacceptable?IMO there's nothing wrong with a tie unless the specific game or match has to have a victor. But I'm old enough to remember back when the NFL allowed ties.
bhk
11-15-05, 09:10 AM
But I'm old enough to remember back when the NFL allowed ties.
There can still be ties in the NFL. Just not playoff games.
wendersfan
11-15-05, 10:01 AM
There can still be ties in the NFL. Just not playoff games.When did they reinstitute ties?
RoyalTea
11-15-05, 11:46 AM
When did they reinstitute ties?when did they get rid of them?
wildcatlh
11-15-05, 12:05 PM
When did they reinstitute ties?
They never got rid of them. Regular season, they play one OT. If nobody scores, the game's over, and it's a tie. Doesn't happen often, but it happens once every 4 or 5 years.
Cusm
11-15-05, 12:13 PM
When did they reinstitute ties?
It has always been after 1 OT since the NFL introduced OT to regular season games in '74. There has only been 16 ties, the last one in 2002 (Pitt-Atl). I would prefer an additional 15 (or maybe 10min)minute OT - not sudden death - and after the OT if it is still tied it ends in a tie - perhaps save sudden death for playoff double overtime games.
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