Project where Matt Leinert will be during the 2008 football season. Sorry, there was no room for a twikoff option. But if you have other suggestions, please feel free to add! :up:
Quake1028
11-09-05, 09:41 AM
Doing well as a starting NFL quarterback.
gimmepilotwings
11-09-05, 09:46 AM
Hopefully playing for the Arizona Cardinals, and playing well.
mlemmond
11-09-05, 10:02 AM
I predict failure.
fumanstan
11-09-05, 10:11 AM
I think he'll either be starting somewhere, be in between starting/backup jobs.
Red Dog
11-09-05, 10:12 AM
Sleeping on top of a pile of money, with lots of beautiful ladies.
Mr. Cinema
11-09-05, 10:27 AM
Coaching high school football with Cade McCown.
Josh H
11-09-05, 11:34 AM
Doing well as a starting QB in the NFL.
Carson Palmer is doing great, and Leinharts performed at a higher level in the same college system. Barring injury, there's not reason he shouldn't be an excellent pro quarterback.
Chew
11-09-05, 11:45 AM
If their season keeps going the way it is, Leinart will be the toast of Green Bay in three years.
Aaron Rodgers will be the one in a Cardinals uniform.
(let's see if I'm even remotely right about either in 6 months :lol: )
Terrell
11-09-05, 12:42 PM
Barring injury, there's not reason he shouldn't be an excellent pro quarterback.
Yes, but we've heard the same thing about a lot of great college football players, and many Heisman trophy winners, who turned out to be gigantic flops. I'm just not sure about Leinart in the pros. His arm isn't the strongest, and he has no mobility to speak of. But he's very accurate.
El Scorcho
11-09-05, 01:13 PM
I'm pretty sure he'll be a 5th year senior at USC.
Maxwell Smart
11-09-05, 01:16 PM
He will be in a gay bar w/ Jeff Garcia.
dcswirl
11-12-05, 10:01 PM
He will be in a gay bar w/ Jeff Garcia.
:lol:
waporvare
11-12-05, 10:05 PM
Doing well in a Tennessee Titans uniform.
William Fuld
11-12-05, 11:16 PM
Dead from Bird Flu, like the rest of us. :rip:
B.A.
11-13-05, 11:11 AM
Hopefully playing for the Arizona Cardinals, and playing well.
I would say he will have a productive career as long as he doesn't play for Bidwell's Birds.
lemieux66c
11-13-05, 06:44 PM
He'll probably be lucky to get have a career as good as Andre Ware's...so basically I don't expect much out of him, although I have been surprised before.
twikoff
11-13-05, 06:46 PM
of course.. alot of it depends on where he is drafting
with some systems.. a QB cant help but succeed
at others, a QB cant help but fail, regardless how many tools they have
the big train
11-13-05, 08:36 PM
I think he'll be an average to below average starting Quaterback with the New York Jets in 2008.
That, or he'll be Dancing with the Stars.
Mr. Cinema
11-13-05, 11:35 PM
He's surrounded by amazing skill players, which is a huge reason why he has great numbers in college.
cleaver
11-14-05, 11:32 AM
He's lost 1 game in college, and that was at Cal in double OT. The guy's amazing.
kurupt
11-14-05, 03:36 PM
If they put him in a system where he plays horribly inept defenses week in and week out, then throws to nothing but blazing fast, seemingly perpetually wide-open recievers, plus has a dominating running back that takes any and all pressure or blitz possibility off of him, hey he'll be great. Put him on a bad-to-average NFL team where he'll take a few hits (and every time he takes a hit he gets up slowly) and have to utilize that elusive little quality called accuracy, he'll be a bust. Something tells me that option "b" is much more likely.
WallyOPD
11-14-05, 05:04 PM
Put him on a bad-to-average NFL team where he'll take a few hits (and every time he takes a hit he gets up slowly) and have to utilize that elusive little quality called accuracy, he'll be a bust. Something tells me that option "b" is much more likely.
His throwing accuracy is usually commented on as one of his strengths.
kurupt
11-14-05, 05:43 PM
It's hard to guage one's accuracy when no one's ever seen him have to throw the ball accurately. I mean seriously, if you watch a highlight tape of his touchdown throws, I'd guess that 3/4ths of them are to receivers who don't have a defender within 5 or 6 yards of him. The media seems to love this guy, so, to them, everything he does is one of his strengths (I remember this one Gameday piece, where his coaches were saying he has the poise of Brady and the intelligence and work ethic of Manning blah, blah, blah...). He might be good, he might turn out to be great, but up to now, if you look at it without the hollywood glare of USC and the everpresent glow of unrelenting media adoration, he never has really proven anything or had to prove anything. He made one throw in the Notre Dame game (that wasn't the great throw everyone makes it out to be by virtue of the fact that the Notre Dame cornerback could have easily intercepted or batted it down had he been playing the ball) and now he's John Elway on "the drive". The offense and supporting cast Carson Palmer had was nowhere near as good as this, so his accomplishments were far more impressive. Speaking hypothetically, you could take 30 or 40 division 1 quarterbacks and give them the same offense as Matt Leinart, the same backs, receivers, and line, let them play against Pac-10 "defenses" (and I use that word in the loosest of terms) and watch their win total and personal stats soar. If I were choosing a quarterback to be an NFL franchise building block, I would take Vince Young in a heartbeat. Brady Quinn has shown me more than Leinart has.
WallyOPD
11-14-05, 06:28 PM
He might be good, he might turn out to be great, but up to now, if you look at it without the hollywood glare of USC and the everpresent glow of unrelenting media adoration, he never has really proven anything or had to prove anything.
Speaking hypothetically, you could take 30 or 40 division 1 quarterbacks and give them the same offense as Matt Leinart, the same backs, receivers, and line, let them play against Pac-10 "defenses" (and I use that word in the loosest of terms) and watch their win total and personal stats soar. If I were choosing a quarterback to be an NFL franchise building block, I would take Vince Young in a heartbeat. Brady Quinn has shown me more than Leinart has.
It sounds like you're saying there's absolutely nothing Matt Leinart could do in college that would sell you on him. Why couldn't you say the same thing about Bush and White? If not for their offensive line opening up massive holes for them and Leinart and the receivers spreading the defense, there's no way they would be racking up so many big runs and scores.
kurupt
11-15-05, 03:12 PM
Because I've seen Bush (and White to a lesser extent) do amazing things when he's had very little blocking or help from any of his teammates. Punt returns, broken tackles, his array of spins, jukes, and jumps. These are things that he's done when faced down by multiple defenders. Make no mistake, his line is good, but his individual efforts are much more apparent than Matt Leinart's individual efforts. Defenses constantly set up to stop the run against USC, not the other way around. Make no mistake, they run to set up the pass. Not the other way around. I'm not a big fan of Bush or anything (and I think he'll be more Westbrook than Tomlinson in the NFL) but I respect his talent as much as anyone in the country. Like I said before, I might be wrong on Leinart, but I don't think so. I guess time will tell. I guess the analogy I have to make is that Leinart's been given the keys to a shiny new Porsche. All he has to do is to not return it wrecked. There are a lot of guys who have pulled themselves up and worked with inferior talent in order to afford said Porsche. Those guys have earned my respect. He's not quite Jay Barker or Ken Dorsey, players whose teams have won in spite of them as opposed to because of them, but he's not quite a legend in his own time now either.
Aphex Twin
11-15-05, 03:14 PM
I think he'll be at business school in Anderson @ UCLA.
nickdawgy
11-15-05, 03:56 PM
Playing for the 49ers after they dump Smith.
Actually, if the 49ers were smart, they'd draft him and then trade him for a good WR and/or RB. I'd still like to see him playing for the Niners, though. Probably won't happen. Hell, they might not even get the first overall pick.
Jericho
11-15-05, 06:53 PM
If Kyle Boller is still an NFL starting QB several years later, I can only imagine what Matt Leinart would be doing
island007
11-15-05, 07:48 PM
It's hard to guage one's accuracy when no one's ever seen him have to throw the ball accurately. I mean seriously, if you watch a highlight tape of his touchdown throws, I'd guess that 3/4ths of them are to receivers who don't have a defender within 5 or 6 yards of him. The media seems to love this guy, so, to them, everything he does is one of his strengths (I remember this one Gameday piece, where his coaches were saying he has the poise of Brady and the intelligence and work ethic of Manning blah, blah, blah...). He might be good, he might turn out to be great, but up to now, if you look at it without the hollywood glare of USC and the everpresent glow of unrelenting media adoration, he never has really proven anything or had to prove anything. He made one throw in the Notre Dame game (that wasn't the great throw everyone makes it out to be by virtue of the fact that the Notre Dame cornerback could have easily intercepted or batted it down had he been playing the ball) and now he's John Elway on "the drive". The offense and supporting cast Carson Palmer had was nowhere near as good as this, so his accomplishments were far more impressive. Speaking hypothetically, you could take 30 or 40 division 1 quarterbacks and give them the same offense as Matt Leinart, the same backs, receivers, and line, let them play against Pac-10 "defenses" (and I use that word in the loosest of terms) and watch their win total and personal stats soar. If I were choosing a quarterback to be an NFL franchise building block, I would take Vince Young in a heartbeat. Brady Quinn has shown me more than Leinart has.
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dom56
11-15-05, 08:10 PM
Playing for the 49ers after they dump Smith.
Actually, if the 49ers were smart, they'd draft him and then trade him for a good WR and/or RB. I'd still like to see him playing for the Niners, though. Probably won't happen. Hell, they might not even get the first overall pick.
Hell, they might not even score any more TD. -rolleyes-
It been three games already and the offense have not score a touchdown. The Niners badly need a playmaker and hope they would able to draft Reggie Bush as their #1 if not then trade down for two picks and get maybe DeAngelo Williams RB from Memphis I heard he can catch too and get a good TE I liked them to get Mercedes Lewis from UCLA.
I'm with kurupt to a certain extent. We really haven't seen what Leinart can do under constant pressure. Almost every time he drops back to pass he has several seconds and given that much time all but the most inept QBs can be effective.
An interesting parallel is when you switch from All-Pro to All-Madden when playing Madden. The pass rush and blitzes are on top of you a second quicker on All-Madden and being able to process your reads a second quicker is the difference b/w passing for 300 yds or getting picked off 4 times.
Now I'm not saying he definitely won't be able to handle pressure but I haven't seen much yet to say that he will. Just b/c Carson Palmer has been able to doesn't necessarily mean that Leinhart will. He didn't face a true test of his abilities until he got to the pros and neither will Leinhart.
Jericho
11-16-05, 10:37 AM
I'm with kurupt to a certain extent. We really haven't seen what Leinart can do under constant pressure. Almost every time he drops back to pass he has several seconds and given that much time all but the most inept QBs can be effective.
An interesting parallel is when you switch from All-Pro to All-Madden when playing Madden. The pass rush and blitzes are on top of you a second quicker on All-Madden and being able to process your reads a second quicker is the difference b/w passing for 300 yds or getting picked off 4 times.
Now I'm not saying he definitely won't be able to handle pressure but I haven't seen much yet to say that he will. Just b/c Carson Palmer has been able to doesn't necessarily mean that Leinhart will. He didn't face a true test of his abilities until he got to the pros and neither will Leinhart.
Actually, I would agree with this statement too. I mean a loaded team can help make a mediocre QB look good, so long as the guy has some talent. Jason White? Gino Toretta? Chris Weinke?
Even a good system can help disguise a mediocre QB. Look at the "Tedford" QBs - A. Smith, J. Harrington, K. Boller. They fooled even NFL scouts.
Leinart has all of that in his favor. I still think he will be a very good NFL QB despite all that, but it's not a slam dunk. And Vince Young and Brady Quinn might be ebtter NFL QBs...
Bell65
11-16-05, 01:06 PM
Dead!
Y2K Falcon
01-05-06, 09:31 PM
Sleeping on top of a pile of money, with lots of beautiful ladies.
http://boifromtroy.com/archives/matt%20leinart%20party%20boy.JPG
Thought I'd bump this since we know how his season ends, and the draft order...
RJainMJ
01-05-06, 09:47 PM
I would think he could do better than those 5 being the star QB and at USC (the one in red is gorgeous though).
I think the Rose Bowl has sent Leinart down as the 2nd QB selected if Vince comes out. Otherwise, I think the Saints will draft Leinart. If VY does come out, then the Jets at 4 will take Leinart. The Jets might be a good fit and I could see him having some great success there.
WallyOPD
10-17-06, 01:04 PM
Thought I would bump this now that he has a couple NFL starts under his belt. Looks like gimmepilotwings is the frontrunner so far.
DVD Josh
10-17-06, 02:26 PM
Let me tell you something, this kid is going to be very good. I don't totally blame him for last night. Edge got 50 some yards on *36* carries, forcing him to throw more than he should have. They gave up an ugly punt return TD and Edge's fumble also cost them a TD. From my eyes, they only two people out there actually playing well were Matt and Anquan (and that Cardinals D).
Hopefully this loss doesn't quicksand his season. I bet Matt will learn from it and be a better QB for it.
I'll say one thing though - Green is OUT as coach after the season.
El Scorcho
10-17-06, 02:50 PM
There's no poll option for "Dancing with the Stars". :mad:
kenbuzz
10-18-06, 02:04 PM
I chose all of the options -- guaranteed to be right! :hump:
Note to self - Check back on 10/18/09 for props!
chess
10-18-06, 02:07 PM
I like Leinart a lot. I was also surprised that he didn't go higher in the draft, since all he's ever done is win.
Scouts seem to care so much about stats, but there's a lot to be said for poise...especially at the QB position.
:up: to Leinart.
IMRICKJAMES
10-18-06, 02:33 PM
In 3 years he will still be an overhyped overpublicized pretty boy...but with slightly better football skills
DVD Josh
10-18-06, 04:33 PM
In 3 years he will still be an overhyped overpublicized pretty boy...but with slightly better football skills
I'm sure you won't come back and back this ridiculous statement up with anything, right? He's won a Heisman, a national championship and nearly upset the best team in football.
Sounds like hype to me.
IMRICKJAMES
10-19-06, 04:00 PM
I'm sure you won't come back and back this ridiculous statement up with anything, right? He's won a Heisman, a national championship and nearly upset the best team in football.
Sounds like hype to me.
Obviously he single handedly won the heisman and a national championship right? They had absolutely nothing to do with probably one of the best collection of college talent ever assembled on both sides of the ball right?
Not to mention the Cardinals would have upset the best team in football if he hadn't followed up that 8-9 2 TDs first two drives with 16-33 and nothing else the rest of the way.
He's overhyped, just face it. Just like Reggie Bush, just like every star is before they prove themselves on the professional level
WallyOPD
10-19-06, 04:04 PM
Not to mention the Cardinals would have upset the best team in football if he hadn't followed up that 8-9 2 TDs first two drives with 16-33 and nothing else the rest of the way.
You mean if you take away somebody's best stretch of play their stats look ordinary? Shocking!
cdollaz
10-19-06, 04:28 PM
Obviously he single handedly won the heisman and a national championship right?
You could say that about any star football player. Nobody on a bad team ever wins championships or individual awards.
Jeremy517
10-19-06, 04:28 PM
Not to mention the Cardinals would have upset the best team in football if he hadn't followed up that 8-9 2 TDs first two drives with 16-33 and nothing else the rest of the way.
If by "nothing" you mean "in the last two minutes, led them into FG range for a chipshot that would win the game against the best defense in the league", then yeah it was nothing.
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