Sawyer's wound becomes life-threatening as he, Michael and Jin make their way through the interior of the island with the tail section survivors. Meanwhile, Shannon is once again haunted by visions of Walt, and Charlie becomes jealous of Locke's interest in Claire.
Fok
11-09-05, 02:10 AM
Wonder how far they'll actually advance the story this week -ohbfrank-
LorenzoL
11-09-05, 05:43 AM
One of the main cast supposed to die in today's episode.
cdoug57
11-09-05, 08:43 AM
Hope we get to see the two "tribes" actually get together.
Glad we get some more new episodes this month. :thumbsup:
Joeboo835
11-09-05, 09:27 AM
Finally get to watch it in HD. :)
auto
11-09-05, 10:25 AM
Is it just me or do these long waits between episodes just suck the energy out of this show.
After many of us just got through watching or rewatching the first season on DVD at our leisure, not having new shows every week is bound to lose viewers.
Groucho
11-09-05, 10:28 AM
Hope we get to see the two "tribes" actually get together.You mean a merge? Will they get new buffs and have to make a flag too?
aktick
11-09-05, 10:37 AM
You mean a merge? Will they get new buffs and have to make a flag too?
:lol:
For those that complain about the long breaks between shows...at least we can still record them on our Tivos without having to pay $1 or $2. :(
Doughboy
11-09-05, 11:23 AM
Wonder how far they'll actually advance the story this week -ohbfrank-
I'm guessing not at all. My concern is that we'll be stuck watching another flashback that tells us nothing we didn't already know.
HE Pennypacker
11-09-05, 12:39 PM
Is it just me or do these long waits between episodes just suck the energy out of this show.
After many of us just got through watching or rewatching the first season on DVD at our leisure, not having new shows every week is bound to lose viewers.
I considered stopping Lost right now and waiting until season two comes out, however that will be another 10 months. I still have interest right now between long breaks, however, after 10 months I may lose ALL interest. This is quite the dilemna.
Fok
11-09-05, 01:55 PM
Yeah this show is begining to lose it's appeal over the slowness of it all.
bahgee
11-09-05, 01:57 PM
There appears to be a SPOILER in the picture at this link:
Shannon's wearing a really short skirt, what with all the falling, bending over, jumping, climbing, that goes on on the island. When will we see a flipped-skirt Shannon?
Anteater87
11-09-05, 03:11 PM
I considered stopping Lost right now and waiting until season two comes out, however that will be another 10 months. I still have interest right now between long breaks, however, after 10 months I may lose ALL interest. This is quite the dilemna.
It's only going to get worse. According to the TV guy in the OC Register, Lost has one new episode scheduled between Nov. 30 and Jan. 11.
RichardW
11-09-05, 03:43 PM
Shannon's wearing a really short skirt, what with all the falling, bending over, jumping, climbing, that goes on on the island. When will we see a flipped-skirt Shannon?
Not soon enough. :)
It's only going to get worse. According to the TV guy in the OC Register, Lost has one new episode scheduled between Nov. 30 and Jan. 11.
If that's true, that sucks! I'd be surprised if this show stayed number one after a hiatus like that.
achau9598
11-09-05, 04:23 PM
There appears to be a SPOILER in the picture at this link:
That is a whopper of a spoiler considering events of the last new episode prior to tonight. Clickers beware!
Therecanbonly1
11-09-05, 04:44 PM
If that's true, that sucks! I'd be surprised if this show stayed number one after a hiatus like that.
You're kidding me, right?
Come on. GO back and watch season 1! Revelations are SLOW! They have to be. The idea is it's an ongoing story, not a 24 hour movie! (Just because you can watch Season 1 that way doesn't mean that that is what it should be). Do you really want everything revealed? I know, waiting a week (or in this case 3) kills me. I felt that while the last new episode was a good one, it was a terrible one to leave me for 3 weeks (and originally wasn't supposed to). Tonight's episode SHOULD have been the one that left me wanting for a few weeks (go back and check your TV guides - it was supposed to air 2 weeks ago). I would LOVE for them to show a new episode everyday and be able to keep the story going and not have to patiently wait for the next revelation. But then what do I do on day 25? Wait a year?
Any TV show where you need to follow the ongoing episodes to keep up with the story are going to be revealed slowly. Deine Episodic serial for me. That's what you are watching. Take a show like CSI or L&O, sure, there are small things that progress that if you follow are built upon in each episode (Love stories, family issues, etc); but these are minor to the episode. In shows like LOST, 24, Alias, DHW... things happen throught the season that depend on you seeing a previous episode in order to follow. I don't tune in to LOST because it happens to be on. I tune in because I am dying to see what's next. It is insane to think that a show that stops running new episodes for a few weeks will lose much viewership. Yes, there will be some people that tune out. Producers of 24 realized this problem and start the season 4 months later in order to avoid breaks. Imagine if we needed to wait until January to see what was in the hatch!!
OH, and almost ALL shows take a December hiatus. generally 1 new episode before Christmas and the next new one the second/third week of January because of people not being home to watch. You have seen TV before, right?
CPA-ESQ.
11-09-05, 04:50 PM
If that's true, that sucks! I'd be surprised if this show stayed number one after a hiatus like that.
We are Americans... We follow what is "Trendy and Cool"
- oh by the way when is the Soprano's coming back on?.. That is the best show! :rolleyes:
Booth
11-09-05, 05:02 PM
That is a whopper of a spoiler considering events of the last new episode prior to tonight. Clickers beware!
Clicker's need not beware of that picture. It's wrong. Shannon is the one that goes tonight. And wait till you see how it goes down!
Rogue588
11-09-05, 05:04 PM
There appears to be a SPOILER in the picture at this link:
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/ent_radio/story/363689p-309733c.htmlI kinda doubt this. Would it really have as much of an impact as Boone's death was supposed to? I only say supposed to because the lonnnnnnnnnnnng time between epidsodes killed any "emotional impact" it should've had.
Oh, and the fact that I don't want to see the person in that pic go.
LaxBandit
11-09-05, 05:11 PM
Finally get to watch it in HD. :)
Lucky you! My local cable company put up a notice stating that theres a problem with the transmitter at my ABC station (WKBW-Channel 7 outta Buffalo, NY.) and we won't have ABC-HD TV until sometime on Friday. So its regular TV for me for "LOST"/"Invasion". Now I just have to hope the power or the cable doesn't go out! (Pretty bad weather out there - tornado watch - so looks like WKBW will be having their oversize weather updates/maps of the area on the screen - covering up most of the action. Just do the damm scroll at the bottom with the picture "smaller" so we can see whatever Jin saids via the english caption. No need for a map of the area - we know where everything is!)
LB...
Cardiff Giant
11-09-05, 05:32 PM
ha atleast your cable company has ABC in HD. My cable co, cox, is still "in negotiations" with the parent company of my local affiliate and they've been in negotiations for like almost two years. the result, no ABC HD for me and no FOX HD for the unlucky folks in RI (who's Fox station is owned by the same company). It's really annoying.
achau9598
11-09-05, 05:40 PM
Clicker's need not beware of that picture. It's wrong. Shannon is the one that goes tonight. And wait till you see how it goes down!
I was referring to an object in the photo that was clearly shown in the last episode.
Fok
11-09-05, 05:42 PM
At least there's not too much romance in this series.
Cusm
11-09-05, 05:48 PM
ha atleast your cable company has ABC in HD. My cable co, cox, is still "in negotiations" with the parent company of my local affiliate and they've been in negotiations for like almost two years. the result, no ABC HD for me and no FOX HD for the unlucky folks in RI (who's Fox station is owned by the same company). It's really annoying.
I have the same problem with Fox HD through Cox in OKC. It is all about the local affiliate trying to get more money out of the cable company than the other stations are currently receiving, which would just jack up what they are paid and ultimately our bill.
Goldberg74
11-09-05, 06:46 PM
I was referring to an object in the photo that was clearly shown in the last episode.
The bear? ...
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm,
will it be Danielle when she tries to get 'Alex' back?
riley_dude
11-09-05, 07:08 PM
You're kidding me, right?
Come on. GO back and watch season 1! Revelations are SLOW! They have to be. The idea is it's an ongoing story, not a 24 hour movie! (Just because you can watch Season 1 that way doesn't mean that that is what it should be). Do you really want everything revealed? I know, waiting a week (or in this case 3) kills me. I felt that while the last new episode was a good one, it was a terrible one to leave me for 3 weeks (and originally wasn't supposed to). Tonight's episode SHOULD have been the one that left me wanting for a few weeks (go back and check your TV guides - it was supposed to air 2 weeks ago). I would LOVE for them to show a new episode everyday and be able to keep the story going and not have to patiently wait for the next revelation. But then what do I do on day 25? Wait a year?
Any TV show where you need to follow the ongoing episodes to keep up with the story are going to be revealed slowly. Deine Episodic serial for me. That's what you are watching. Take a show like CSI or L&O, sure, there are small things that progress that if you follow are built upon in each episode (Love stories, family issues, etc); but these are minor to the episode. In shows like LOST, 24, Alias, DHW... things happen throught the season that depend on you seeing a previous episode in order to follow. I don't tune in to LOST because it happens to be on. I tune in because I am dying to see what's next. It is insane to think that a show that stops running new episodes for a few weeks will lose much viewership. Yes, there will be some people that tune out. Producers of 24 realized this problem and start the season 4 months later in order to avoid breaks. Imagine if we needed to wait until January to see what was in the hatch!!
OH, and almost ALL shows take a December hiatus. generally 1 new episode before Christmas and the next new one the second/third week of January because of people not being home to watch. You have seen TV before, right?
This is American Television where they stretch things out way past their welcome. In Brittan they have a hit show run 2 or 3 seasons and don't draw it out for years.
As much as I like Lost I hate they way they stretch things out just for the sake of it. People dont talk about things like a normal human being would trying to find out answers, they leave you hanging so they can stretch things out for 8 seasons. They have gotten a bit better this season but I am surprised the average viewer is hanging in there.
Nick Martin
11-09-05, 09:56 PM
:jawdrop: THAT BITCH!
Borst
11-09-05, 09:58 PM
Fuck, knew that was going to happen when she ran off
Mopower
11-09-05, 09:58 PM
Wha!!!!
draven31
11-09-05, 09:59 PM
Damn........
wendersfan
11-09-05, 09:59 PM
:( :grunt: :(
GizmoDVD
11-09-05, 10:01 PM
Okay. Im avoiding this thread for 3 hours. Damn you all.
Ranger
11-09-05, 10:03 PM
Ok, what just happened? Who shot her? The picture was a bit too dark for me to see the shooter?
Doughboy
11-09-05, 10:04 PM
I knew the minute the shot went off what happened. At least now there'll be some interesting tension between characters in the episodes to come, since it's obvious they're gonna take their sweet time moving the main plot forward.
BTW, while it was yet another worthless flashback, at least it received minimal screentime tonight. That's good to see.
Maxflier
11-09-05, 10:05 PM
Looking forward to what was alluded to in the preview.
Not looking forward to the upcoming hiatus.
Maxflier
11-09-05, 10:09 PM
Ok, what just happened? Who shot her? The picture was a bit too dark for me to see the shooter?
Anna Lucia shot her.
mdc3000
11-09-05, 10:09 PM
I hated her before, but now I REALLY HATE HER. Man, I knew who was going to bite it, and I had a hunch how, but that really pisses me off...and especially with the scene directly before....holy shit.
MATT
treszoks
11-09-05, 10:09 PM
Having one less hot chick makes me cry.
Drexl
11-09-05, 10:10 PM
Hello, I am a new "Lost" addict. After watching the entire first season in a few days and catching up with the recent episodes, tonight's was my first "live" episode.
Well, it was Shannon like the rumor was. For a while there it seemed as if it was going to be Sawyer, who I hope doesn't get killed off. I know he's a dick, but there's something cool about him. I just wonder what Sayid is going to do next week. What are the odds they go back to another plot and leave us hanging until a later episode? BTW, was this the first confirmation that the whispers are real and not someone's imagination? I know at least a couple of characters have heard it, but I don't think there has been a point where two characters heard it at the same time so it could be acknowledged that they are real.
(spoilered temporarily for the West Coast viewers)
dhmac
11-09-05, 10:10 PM
They fooled us with "Which person won't make it?"
I thought for sure it was the Tail Section lady who disappeared that they were talking about in the usual TV bait-and-switch move, but then that ending. Wow.
brizz
11-09-05, 10:12 PM
so by "special extended episode" next week, we get what, 10 minutes? looks awesome whatever it will be.
Ranger
11-09-05, 10:12 PM
Anna Lucia shot her.
Ah, I was afraid of that...
Ana Lucia-haters - FWIW:
I heard that the next episode will have some torture scenes. Possibly involving Ana Lucia.
Doughboy
11-09-05, 10:13 PM
I hated her before, but now I REALLY HATE HER. Man, I knew who was going to bite it, and I had a hunch how, but that really pisses me off...and especially with the scene directly before....holy shit.
MATT
Yeah, I'm really not down with Ana Lucia(even before her itchy trigger finger). Michelle Rodriguez is annoying the piss out of me. Here's hoping Sayid puts her through one of his torture sessions before finishing her off for good.
chrisih8u
11-09-05, 10:13 PM
Hello, I am a new "Lost" addict. After watching the entire first season in a few days and catching up with the recent episodes, tonight's was my first "live" episode.
Well, it was Shannon like the rumor was. For a while there it seemed as if it was going to be Sawyer, who I hope doesn't get killed off. I know he's a dick, but there's something cool about him. I just wonder what Sayid is going to do next week. What are the odds they go back to another plot and leave us hanging until a later episode? BTW, was this the first confirmation that the whispers are real and not someone's imagination? I know at least a couple of characters have heard it, but I don't think there has been a point where two characters heard it at the same time so it could be acknowledged that they are real.
(spoilered temporarily for the West Coast viewers)
I really doubt that we will find out anything next week. I think it will all be an entire flashback with the other castaways, and nothing that has to do with what happened tonight.
Ranger
11-09-05, 10:16 PM
I like Michelle Rodriguez and her character. At least she wasn't frequently sobbing her eyes out like most of the regular female characters have.
GuessWho
11-09-05, 10:18 PM
No Kate???
And none next week either???
:mad:
aktick
11-09-05, 10:19 PM
No Kate???
And none next week either???
:mad:
Apparently Kate and Jack are on "button" duty down in the hatch :) .
Doughboy
11-09-05, 10:20 PM
Apparently Kate and Jack are on "button" duty down in the hatch :) .
Jack at least appeared in the episode for about 2 seconds.
HE Pennypacker
11-09-05, 10:21 PM
It's only going to get worse. According to the TV guy in the OC Register, Lost has one new episode scheduled between Nov. 30 and Jan. 11.
If this is indeed accurate, which I believe it is, I have just viewed my final Lost episode until May, or whenever this season ends. I think I'm just going to record all the shows and watch 'em come May or June. I am just not enjoying this season as much as I did the first season when I watched it in one week.
Thank goodness 24 will have a new eppy every week.
chrisih8u
11-09-05, 10:26 PM
So what did the whispering say?
edstein
11-09-05, 10:30 PM
What did Walt say to Shannon in the beginning of the show?
aktick
11-09-05, 10:34 PM
What did Walt say to Shannon in the beginning of the show?
If you have a way of playing the audio backwards, you'll find out I'm guessing.
thegame370
11-09-05, 10:36 PM
What did Walt say to Shannon in the beginning of the show?
Thats what i wanna know...
Rogue588
11-09-05, 10:38 PM
wow.
EXCELLENT episode. slow pacing naysayers be damned.
i'll wait for the eventual Walt audio reversal. [thanks whoever posts it..]
GuessWho
11-09-05, 10:43 PM
a LOT of shows take December off -- the November ratings are over and there are holiday special programming interruptions and lower audiences overall (holiday parties)
:up: 45 minutes after the show is over. :lol:
I know, crazy. I can't take credit though...anybody know how to do that? I think the other whispers aren't simply backwards, are they? Cause I'd really like to know what they were saying.
Jimmy James
11-09-05, 10:57 PM
Anyone considering waiting on the rest of the season to play out on LOST should switch over to Veronica Mars. I promise it moves at a most satisfactory pace. :) With that said, I will not again reference the competition. I don't want this turning ugly.
I think I was supposed to feel sorry about what happened, but I don't. I don't think it was possible to move this character over to sympathetic with one little set of flashbacks given what we already knew.
I'm satisfied by the pace of the show. What I care about is movement, not necessarily the pace of that movement. I still firmly believe that there wasn't movement in the last episode of last season and will not be happy if they pull a stunt like that again. Until then, this makes for nice 10 PM ET viewing in my household on Wednesday nights.
RichardW
11-09-05, 10:58 PM
You have seen TV before, right?
Whatever.
Big Boy Laroux
11-09-05, 10:59 PM
but is shannon actually dead? could be that they meant the no-name tailie in the previews, and we're made to believe shannon will die. but can jack work a miracle on her and save her?
resinrats
11-09-05, 10:59 PM
What did Walt say to Shannon in the beginning of the show?
Duck.
She sealed her own fate (or maybe it was Syid). People on these types of shows should never confess their love for someone else. It is a guarantee that someone will die.
I was kind of hoping Sayid would go medieval on Ana Lucia's obnoxious authoritarian ass, but no - they had to cut to the closing credits. -ohbfrank-
RichardW
11-09-05, 11:02 PM
Boy, Anna Lucia sure made a nice impression on Sayid. You could really feel the hatrid in his eyes. I can't wait to see what happens next week.
Tommy Ceez
11-09-05, 11:09 PM
So it was Shanons dad killed by Jacks future wife?
aktick
11-09-05, 11:10 PM
but is shannon actually dead? could be that they meant the no-name tailie in the previews, and we're made to believe shannon will die. but can jack work a miracle on her and save her?
That's what I was thinking. The previews last week said "One of these survivors will be lost forever." (dunno if I'm supposed to spoiler previews from previous weeks, but better safe than sorry around these parts). So maybe Jack will pull a miracle if he's not busy down the hatch?
aktick
11-09-05, 11:13 PM
So it was Shanons dad killed by Jacks future wife?
Yep. We actually were told that in the premiere (or whenever Jack had his flashback), in the background in the ER they said "Joe (or whatever his first name was) Rutherford," and his age. Plus we knew Shannon's dad had died, and obviously they wouldn't make a coincidence like that.
zuffy
11-09-05, 11:21 PM
WOW. I hate M-Rod before and now hate her even more. I hope Sayid goes insane and beat the shit outa her.
cdoug57
11-09-05, 11:34 PM
:thumbsup: Good episode. Almost makes up for not being around the last couple of weeks.
Wonder if Sayid now understands some of what Shannon felt towards Locke. Maybe he will take his gun to Ana-Lucia. :)
Wonder what did happen to the missing tailie.
Looking forward to next week, appears to be a strong flashback, much better than what we've seen so far this season.
Heat
11-09-05, 11:39 PM
Wow, Sayid must be a little upset.
As for the flashbacks, it was nice to see Boone again.
And didn't Walt do his backward talking trick twice? Or were both times the same thing? (they're coming and they're close)
I'm looking forward to next week's episode.
MrX
11-09-05, 11:41 PM
Pretty good episode
Trying to make Shannon a sympathetic character was a giveawway that she was the goner.
Loved the last shot of Sayid's face.
Josh H
11-09-05, 11:46 PM
Wow!
Now that was a great episode. Best since the season premiere by a long shot.
They really don't need to answer things every week. Just keep the tension up and the show exciting. Even without the ending this was a great episode.
Doughboy
11-09-05, 11:57 PM
Anyone considering waiting on the rest of the season to play out on LOST should switch over to Veronica Mars. I promise it moves at a most satisfactory pace. :) With that said, I will not again reference the competition. I don't want this turning ugly.
I actually would be watching Veronica Mars instead of Lost if those bastards at Time Warner carried UPN in HD. The ABC HD feed is really shaky at times, but at least Lost looks and sounds great(nice cinematography in tonight's episode).
Patman
11-10-05, 12:04 AM
A little cliched, telegraphed most of the ending (You've got a gun with one bullet...hmmm). I'm glad I watch this via ReplayTV because the show is just not moving at the pace I'd prefer otherwise (I also watch VM live, and this is time-shifted). Ana really knows how to win friends and influence people, here, honey, here's a certificate for a week-long Dale Carnegie course. :)
Triple S
11-10-05, 12:04 AM
Somewhere, Jamie Kennedy is smiling.
Kal-El
11-10-05, 12:45 AM
REALLY hating the Anna Lucia character. REALLY REALLY hating her.
Rogue588
11-10-05, 12:47 AM
Duck.
She sealed her own fate (or maybe it was Syid). People on these types of shows should never confess their love for someone else. It is a guarantee that someone will die.:lol:
Nah. Once she had sex with Sayid, it was all over. Hasn't she ever seen a horror movie?
I think I was supposed to feel sorry about what happened, but I don't. I don't think it was possible to move this character over to sympathetic with one little set of flashbacks given what we already knew.I agree with that, but i'm sure I would've felt a little something more if there weren't long GAPS between episodes. :mad2:
but is shannon actually dead? could be that they meant the no-name tailie in the previews, and we're made to believe shannon will die. but can jack work a miracle on her and save her?Of course.
Pound on chest. Shout at victim. Repeat until desired result.
And, screw all you guys...I love me some Michelle Rod. :eyebrow:
Goldberg74
11-10-05, 12:48 AM
My TiVo has Lost as being 60 mins next week... I'll have to keep my eyes out for the actual length of the show... but with my TiVo picking up CSI: NY and Law & Order at 9 PM, I'm gonna have to sacrifice one of the other shows.
Dang you ABC! :mad:
QuikSilver
11-10-05, 12:50 AM
I missed the whole episode. So who dies?
Sierra Disc
11-10-05, 01:02 AM
Good episode, but I'm getting real tired of Michelle Rodriguez's appalling overacting. She's awful.
GizmoDVD
11-10-05, 01:15 AM
Shannon dies (Or so we THINK)
FinkPish
11-10-05, 01:21 AM
Great episode. Still kinda frustrated with the "legitimate questions not getting real answers," but at least we got some more exposition, and definitely even more next week. I'm interested to see what happened to the Tailies, but I also can't wait to see how the two groups merge, what with the tension and reunions.
superdeluxe
11-10-05, 01:40 AM
Shannon had a bad upbringing..and no one liked her anymore..
but heck, she got her kevin spacey 'american beauty' happiness at the end..then dead.
btm5540
11-10-05, 02:54 AM
I disagree about tonight's flashback being boring. It has been somewhat shown that Shannon is manipulative and spoiled, but tonight we found out a bit about why. great episode
animalmystic
11-10-05, 02:58 AM
Shannon's wearing a really short skirt, what with all the falling, bending over, jumping, climbing, that goes on on the island. When will we see a flipped-skirt Shannon?
Righteuos bro! -other-
Decent episode.
No Kate = :grunt:
I still hate M-Rod's character, never liked her, now I really hate her.
Mr Echo kicks ass.
Legolas
11-10-05, 03:02 AM
So is Shannon dead? It's a good thing they killed Boone first to give her all this deep character development to be played out for episodes to come.
So where are you supposed to go from here to make Anna likeable? Or at the very least worthy of being a series regular?
Link_182
11-10-05, 03:19 AM
So where are you supposed to go from here to make Anna likeable? Or at the very least worthy of being a series regular?
I don't think they wanna make her likeable. We already have 3 more well liked females in the main cast (now that Shannon's gone). It wouldn't hurt for Ana Lucia to continue to be a major bitch, so we have a female to hate. The look in her eyes in the end of this episode didn't seem to suggest any remorse on her part, although she probobly hasn't put together who she shot yet.
Overall a great episode. Lots of interesting stuff, and we finally get a little Claire development. Great conversation between Locke and Charlie as well. Locke's comment about Charlie being a heroin addict was unexpected for me. He didn't beat around the bush at all with that one. Looking forward to next week, but looking more forward to the week after, so we can see Sayid's reaction.
D.Zero
11-10-05, 03:30 AM
So where are you supposed to go from here to make Anna likeable? Or at the very least worthy of being a series regular?
She doesn't need to be likeable, she just needs to provide conflict. Threats from the outside the group making everyone nervous and a new wildcard within the group to keep the pot boiling. Solid dramatic structure. Although I'm willing to bet that when push comes to shove we will find out something about Anna's past that softens up her edges quite a bit.
Hard to believe people still complain about the breaks various series take. Shows premiere in September/October, take a few weeks off, come back for November sweeps, take a couple of weeks off in December, come back blah, blah, blah.
Anyway, solid episode and the strongest since the second season opener. And no need to chose. Get a Tivo with a dual reciever and record both Lost & Veronica Mars.
jarofclay73
11-10-05, 03:53 AM
Tonight's episode was probably the best of the year, or at least since the season premiere.
I was ready to be disappointed they were going to kill off another character other than Shannon. I know I a lot of people were beginning to warm up to her, but after Boone went it makes sense that she's the next to go. Plus, it's more dramatic that Sayid yet loses another loved one (and you thought Hurley was the only one who's cursed). I think the most surprising part about the death is not WHO died but HOW. That was a heck of a reunion!
Another tidbit - I work at the ABC Affiliate here in Honolulu, Hawaii (KITV) and being here offers me some perks (e.g. I got to watch the filming of a scene in the episode "Numbers"). Tomorrow (Thursday), I'm going to meet one of the most popular (if not the most popular) "Lost" podcaster. Ryan and Jen Ozawa live here in the islands and they do a "Lost" podcast (http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/) after every episode. So, we're having Ryan on our morning news. I wonder if I can get a guest spot on his podcast? ;)
On another side note, here's an article in one of our local newspapers: http://starbulletin.com/2005/11/08/features/story01.html
Check out the spoiler graphic!
movieking
11-10-05, 04:14 AM
From various gossip sites, Maggie Grace did not want to go, despite some rumours to the contrary. She was not killed so she could go make X-Men 3 or any other movie. Rumour had it that she was getting to be trouble on the set. She wanted a bigger part and more money, and got neither, which is why she is virtually absent from most season two episodes.
Josh-da-man
11-10-05, 06:55 AM
Ana Lucia doesn't actually need to be likable... I think she's there to provide conflict (as was mentioned), and I don't see why we need to like everyone immediately. Having people around that don't get along makes the dynamic more interesting.
And I don't think I saw "remorse" on her face, but more like shock. I wonder if something similiar didn't happen to her in her previous life.
We still don't have an accurate count on the tailies. We know that 23 survived. And "The Others" took three, nine, and Cindy. That's thirteen that we know who are gone, with at least A-L, Libby, Eko, and Bernard left. In some of the long shots, it looked like there were only eight people (before Cindy got snatched), so it might be possible for there to be only four tailies left. But it still looks like they're going to keep it ambiguous, and once the two tribes become one, they can pull out a new tailie if they want to.
Boone's mother/Shannon's stepmother is a royal bitch, no? It's really too bad they killed off Shannon, since it seemed like she was finally starting to become her own person. I also would've liked to have seen some of that family dynamic even though the flashback was kind of ... meatless.
That's actually one problem I can see this show slipping into, is that the backstories are becoming less and less engaging. Once we find out what makes the character "tick," anything else they show comes off kind of second-rate.
I don't really care what happened between Jack and Sarah, Jin/Sun, Michael/Walt, Sawyer, Charlie, Claire, Sayid -- seems we know everything we need to know about them.
And once we find out what Kate's initial crime was, why Locke is paralyzed, and why Hurley wound up in the mental institution, those characters will be "done" as well.
Onto the "mythology" shown tonight...
I think this is the first time we've seen more than person hear the "voices" at the same time.
And it certainly appeard that Sayid saw Walt as well. Or at least saw something.
And speaking of Walt, did it appear to anyone else that he (or whatever it was Shannon saw) led Shannon to being ambushed? Did he/it want her to get shot, or did he just want her to find the tailies?
Why have "The Others" been harassing the tailies, yet leaving the fronties alone? With the exception of Ethan "Other Man" Rom, they've been mostly unmolested... and we don't even know if Ethan was an "Other."
And if "The Others" are that close to the tailies, are they just bringing that threat to the fronties?
Cindy vanishing during broad daylight among a group of people seems very strange. I'm reminded of Locke being pulled down the hole in "Exodus." In the next episode preview the people being dragged away also similar to what happened to Locke.
An interesting point... we're being led to believe that "The Others" are behind everything: Walt's abduction, the whispers, Ethan Rom, Alex's abduction, the death of so many tailies... are we sure that's it's the same group doing all of this?
maxfisher
11-10-05, 07:21 AM
Why have "The Others" been harassing the tailies, yet leaving the fronties alone? With the exception of Ethan "Other Man" Rom, they've been mostly unmolested... and we don't even know if Ethan was an "Other."
Based on the comment about the children last night, I'm guessing the tailies had more kids in their group of survivors and that's why they've been targeted more.
On the episode as a whole, I thought it was the strongest of the season so far. My biggest 2 complaints this season have been that 1) the flashbacks have contained just about no new information about their subjects and 2) at various points, Jack, Locke and some others have acted very differently than what we'd expect from their characters as they were developed in the first season. This episode had a flashback that actually gave us information that fleshed out a character a bit more and, all in all, I felt like all the main characters we saw in the episode were the people we've come to known over the past year.
I think this season has the potential to get very interesting. Given how some survivors turned on Locke after Boone's accidental death, how are they going to react to a newcomer shooting one of their own? Also, I think the relationships between Locke, Charlie and Claire can be very interesting, assuming the writers handle them well. Seems like they're setting this up to be an explosive situation. If it starts to get really ugly, it could cause the other survivors to have to take sides.
Michael Corvin
11-10-05, 07:37 AM
Ana Lucia doesn't actually need to be likable... I think she's there to provide conflict (as was mentioned), and I don't see why we need to like everyone immediately. Having people around that don't get along makes the dynamic more interesting.
Most definitely. There will be a power struggle. Ana goes from being the big fish in a small pond to the little fish in a big pond. The front section has all but accepted Jack as their leader. Even Locke to an extent. They aren't going to listen to her. Jack(and the other core group) has kept everyone sheltered from what is really going on. Ana is going to spout her mouth off (hoping to gain support for her as a leader) and put everyone in a panic. It will be interesting to see play out since her and Jack had a bit of chemistry before the flight.
I think this is the first time we've seen more than person hear the "voices" at the same time.
And it certainly appeard that Sayid saw Walt as well. Or at least saw something.
Sayid might have heard the voices, but I don't think he saw Walt. The camera showed her seeing him, and when she turned to ask/see if Sayid saw him the camera was now from his point of view over her shoulder, and Walt wasn't there. Then she turned back and he was there again.
B.A.
11-10-05, 07:41 AM
Good episode, but I'm getting real tired of Michelle Rodriguez's appalling overacting. She's awful.I concur. And does she have to show all of those teeth every time she opens her mouth? :eek:
maxfisher
11-10-05, 07:45 AM
Sayid might have heard the voices, but I don't think he saw Walt. The camera showed her seeing him, and when she turned to ask/see if Sayid saw him the camera was now from his point of view over her shoulder, and Walt wasn't there. Then she turned back and he was there again.
I could've sworn when Shannon asked if he saw Walt, Sayid said yes under his breath. Either way, now that Sayid knows the raft failed and that Walt's missing, it seems like he'll be more likely to believe what Shannon said. It'll be interesting to see if he tells Michael or if he keeps it to himself, making it his own personal mission to find Walt.
Patman
11-10-05, 07:52 AM
How are they going to explain Walt's growth spurt in a week? :)
Red Dog
11-10-05, 08:22 AM
Killing off the hot chick. Hmmmm, rarely a wise move.
RichardW
11-10-05, 08:28 AM
I could've sworn when Shannon asked if he saw Walt, Sayid said yes under his breath.
I heard that, too.
The biggest mystery to me right now is why was Walt "visiting" Shannon and no one else?
wendersfan
11-10-05, 08:30 AM
I don't think they wanna make her likeable. We already have 3 more well liked females in the main cast (now that Shannon's gone).Who? Claire's a whiny annoyance and Kate's a evil, egocentric killer. That just leaves Sun. I know Shannon wasn't the most likable character on the show, but she was a hell of a lot more likable (and hotter) than either of those two.
Michael Corvin
11-10-05, 08:31 AM
I could've sworn when Shannon asked if he saw Walt, Sayid said yes under his breath. Either way, now that Sayid knows the raft failed and that Walt's missing, it seems like he'll be more likely to believe what Shannon said. It'll be interesting to see if he tells Michael or if he keeps it to himself, making it his own personal mission to find Walt.
Well. If he says no, he is never getting in her shorts again. To me it sounded as a yes/sigh at the same time. An admission just to be helping her out whether he saw Walt or not.
I thought it was especially idiotic that Walt was gesturing to them to be quiet and then they start yelling. Good going!
cdoug57
11-10-05, 08:44 AM
The biggest mystery to me right now is why was Walt "visiting" Shannon and no one else?
Could this be because Walt gave Vincent to Shannon, so there is some kind of connection between Shannon and Walt?
rfduncan
11-10-05, 08:50 AM
Good LORD. Is it possible to have a LOST that:
A) doesn't bitch, bitch, bitch about the flashbacks (it is built into the show people... love it or leave it)?
B) doesn't bitch, bitch, bitch about how long it will be until the next new episode?
TV scheduling has been this was FOREVER! You get one new one that is typically a "Christmas" episode in December and then nothing until late January. I can't remember when it wasn't like that - we at least since shows became 22-24 episodes a season.
This is American Television where they stretch things out way past their welcome. In Brittan they have a hit show run 2 or 3 seasons and don't draw it out for years.
As much as I like Lost I hate they way they stretch things out just for the sake of it. People dont talk about things like a normal human being would trying to find out answers, they leave you hanging so they can stretch things out for 8 seasons. They have gotten a bit better this season but I am surprised the average viewer is hanging in there.
Where do you get the "not stretched out" comparison? British shows are like 6-8 episodes a season. Then they either rerun those episodes constantly until the next "season" is ready or replace it with something else. Their seasons don't start in September and end in May. One reason American TV "stretches" things out as you claim is for - GUESS WHAT? - ADVERTISING! That's where the money is. If we got it all in 10-12 episodes, who'd rewatch the repeats?
If you hate the pacing and hate the waiting, why torture yourself. Stay away from late night shows with jokes and/or guests from LOST and basically bury your head in the sand until the next DVD set comes out.
On another note, GREAT episode. I loved the Sayid "I'll be right back" line - definitely an homage to Scream. ;):up: Can't wait for next week. I have a feeling we'll get more detailed flashbacks of what brought the plane down from the Tailies.
12thmonkey
11-10-05, 09:04 AM
The biggest mystery to me right now is why was Walt "visiting" Shannon and no one else?
I'm guessing the Walt appearances/whispering voices are somehow tied to the Dharma Initiative's experiments with parapsychology, as mentioned in the orientation film.
As to why Shannon, perhaps she had some unknown extra-sensory abilities that make her more receptive to such things. Or maybe she was Walt's favorite.
boogieman03
11-10-05, 09:21 AM
Jack at least appeared in the episode for about 2 seconds.
Where was he? I didn't see him.
I'm :mad2: at no Kate.
I f'in hate Michelle Rodriguez like the rest of you.
I kinda liked the flashback. Now that we know a bit about each character, they don't need to be as long as they have been. This episode felt fine for me in terms of length of flashback.
The article that was posted on page 1 or 2 has a picture, that I think is from next week's "tailie" (I love that name by the way) episode. I think that kid with the teddy bear is before they are taken.
I saw that ending coming, but I still liked it.
I don't think Sayid saw Walt either. I think that muttered "yes" was to just agree with Shannon.
Those whispers are kinda scarry.
I wish the tailies would have encountered the jungle monster for a little bit. That could of been fun. Maybe next week.
RichardW
11-10-05, 09:28 AM
Where was he? I didn't see him.
He walked by the other docter during Shannon's flashback at the hospital.
Josh-da-man
11-10-05, 09:37 AM
Well. If he says no, he is never getting in her shorts again. To me it sounded as a yes/sigh at the same time. An admission just to be helping her out whether he saw Walt or not.
Here's what happened (I have a recording handy...):
Shannon and Sayid are embracing in the rain. The voices begin to whisper. Shannon reacts to them, as does Sayid.
Sayid sees something over Shannon's shoulder.
The shot then cuts to Shannon; she turns her head and sees Walt.
The shot cuts again to both Shannon and Sayid looking in the same direction.
SHANNON: Do you see him?
Sayid nods yes.
Shannon calls out his name and starts to go after him.
Sayid is frozen for a beat, as he calls out her name and begins to pursue her.
...
So it certainly looked like Sayid saw something in the jungle before Shannon did.
I thought it was especially idiotic that Walt was gesturing to them to be quiet and then they start yelling. Good going!
Good point.
Come to think of it, didn't Shannon hear the voices the first time she saw Walt? I no longer have the episode recorded. Maybe he appears to warn them that The Others are near? (There were no voices before Walt appeared in the tent this episode, though.)
uteotw
11-10-05, 09:37 AM
I still hate M-Rod's character, never liked her, now I really hate her.
DITTO. I DESPISED her before and DESPISE her even more now.
das Monkey
11-10-05, 09:38 AM
Decent episode. It was a little predictable, but at least they finally (hopefully) killed Shannon off. There was a part of me secretly hoping they had some great plan to make her interesting this year and that last year was misdirecting setup, but now that it's clear she's just a bad character, they may as well kill her off and use that to further develop Sayid.
Nice fake advertizing too. "Every season, there's an episode you can't miss ..." Bullshit. Nice bait-and-switch promoting it as a Sawyer episode. -rolleyes-
das
DVD Josh
11-10-05, 09:39 AM
Here's something that just struck me as interesting about the episode. They made it a point to show Sayid taking out his gun in the tent. We did NOT see who shot Shannon. Now this may be a case of walks like a duck talks like a duck, but that scene struck me weird. Now maybe it's possible that Walt shot Shannon, and the tallies reaction is that "some wet kid just shot that lady". But I think it's entirely possible that it was NOT Ana that shot Shannon.
Borst
11-10-05, 09:39 AM
Hasn't she ever seen a horror movie?
She starred in one not even a month ago http://imdb.com/title/tt0432291/ but it didn't do well at the box office so may be she didn't believe stuff in them happens -wink-
12thmonkey
11-10-05, 09:46 AM
But I think it's entirely possible that it was NOT Ana that shot Shannon.
I've heard similar speculation.
aktick
11-10-05, 09:57 AM
But I think it's entirely possible that it was NOT Ana that shot Shannon.
I kind of wanted to think the same, but we definitely only heard 1 shot, and Ana-Lucia had to have taken a shot - the action on her gun was open.
I agree with ALL of that, but how do we know what happened BEFORE the Tallies got there? It was late afternoon when we last saw them, but NIGHT when they arrived to where Shannon was. We don't know what happened in the interim. We also don't know if there were NO bullets in the gun in the first place, and Ana just wanted them to think there was.
Even though there is a spent gun, a gunshot, a bleeding lady, all of that does not equal with absolute certainty that it was Ana that shot Shannon. Not on this show at least.
DVD Josh
11-10-05, 10:25 AM
Here's another mind-blower:
Walt appeared and told Shannon and Sayid to be quiet (Shhh). But what would they have to fear from the Tallies and Michael, Jin and Sawyer? Nothing, they are friendlies. It's more likely that there was something ELSE there that they needed to hide from, and that something else what shot Shannon.
boogieman03
11-10-05, 10:35 AM
I agree with ALL of that, but how do we know what happened BEFORE the Tallies got there? It was late afternoon when we last saw them, but NIGHT when they arrived to where Shannon was. We don't know what happened in the interim. We also don't know if there were NO bullets in the gun in the first place, and Ana just wanted them to think there was.
Even though there is a spent gun, a gunshot, a bleeding lady, all of that does not equal with absolute certainty that it was Ana that shot Shannon. Not on this show at least.
Dude you're thinking to much.
boogieman03
11-10-05, 10:36 AM
Here's another mind-blower:
Walt appeared and told Shannon and Sayid to be quiet (Shhh). But what would they have to fear from the Tallies and Michael, Jin and Sawyer? Nothing, they are friendlies. It's more likely that there was something ELSE there that they needed to hide from, and that something else what shot Shannon.
What would Shannon and Sayid have to fear from the Tailies? How 'bout a women with an itchy trigger finger.
DVD Josh
11-10-05, 10:38 AM
Dude you're thinking to much.
That's what this show requires. If you watch it for entertainment value alone, you are missing out on the whole LOST experience. That's what makes it great.
Now I will revise my thinking...Ana was shooting at whoever was trying to kill Shannon.
Very interesting. That is what is great about this show, you never know what exactly is going on.
boogieman03
11-10-05, 10:51 AM
No man, you're just reaching. for things that aren't there. You're speculating, without alot of proof.
I agree with ALL of that, but how do we know what happened BEFORE the Tallies got there? It was late afternoon when we last saw them, but NIGHT when they arrived to where Shannon was. We don't know what happened in the interim. We also don't know if there were NO bullets in the gun in the first place, and Ana just wanted them to think there was.
Even though there is a spent gun, a gunshot, a bleeding lady, all of that does not equal with absolute certainty that it was Ana that shot Shannon. Not on this show at least.
What happened before the Tailies got there? So what do you think, Anna Lucia shot somebody before Shannon, and is just pointing a spent weapon at everyone else? Who the hell is that supposed to scare? Then she shows up right after Shannon was shot, pointing that same empty weapon? Remember, there was only one gun shot that we heard.
I don't think A-L was lying about how many bullets where in the gun. Why would she do that? She's using it to protect the group from "the others".
Now I will revise my thinking...Ana was shooting at whoever was trying to kill Shannon.
I don't get the signifigance of M-Rod not having sleeves? What does that have to do with anything?
boogieman03
11-10-05, 10:53 AM
What the hell does "long gunshot wound" mean?
And what am I supposed to be seing with the "no sleeves"?
aktick
11-10-05, 10:55 AM
Yeah, not seeing any clue there that it wasn't Ana-Lucia that shot her? I'm with you DVD Josh, I love digging into this stuff, I'm just saying I don't see it.
aktick
11-10-05, 10:56 AM
So Shannon yelled "Walt!" pretty loud when she went running off...Michael HAD to hear that - he's going to be asking Sayid some questions.
DVD Josh
11-10-05, 10:58 AM
re: the sleeves. I have no clue. The image isn't mine, I found it on another board. I think that they are just saying that the shadowy figure facing Sayid is Ana.
maxfisher
11-10-05, 11:02 AM
I don't get the sleeves thing either, but if those images weren't played with, that sure doesn't look like a gunshot wound.
DVD Josh
11-10-05, 11:02 AM
No man, you're just reaching. for things that aren't there. You're speculating, without alot of proof.
What happened before the Tailies got there? So what do you think, Anna Lucia shot somebody before Shannon, and is just pointing a spent weapon at everyone else? Who the hell is that supposed to scare? Then she shows up right after Shannon was shot, pointing that same empty weapon? Remember, there was only one gun shot that we heard.
I don't think A-L was lying about how many bullets where in the gun. Why would she do that? She's using it to protect the group from "the others".
Well it's clear we are BOTH speculating my friend. Neither of us saw Ana shoot Shannon. You say she did, I say she didn't. BOTH speculation, without alot of proof (using your words).
I can tell you one thing - it's not original to point a spent gun at a person when your nerves are fried. At worst, they think you have a loaded gun for enough time for you to do something else. Also since Ana was a cop before the island and would have the training to be that resourceful. Most people wouldn't know a spent gun from a loaded one, at night, in the rain, in the woods, with a dying person in front of them. Sayid might, but Ana doesn't know him from anyone.
No, what I know think is that Ana shot the person/thing that IS responsible for killing Shannon, not Shannon herself. You are damn right, that's speculation, without alot of proof, but frankly, that's all ANY of us has right now.
12thmonkey
11-10-05, 11:03 AM
What the hell does "long gunshot wound" mean?
I'm guessing it is implying Shannon's wound looks more like a cut/stab/puncture than a single gunshot.
whotony
11-10-05, 11:04 AM
the wound was a long in length wound not what would appear to be caused by a bulet.
dont go by me i'm just guessing.
Gil Jawetz
11-10-05, 11:20 AM
Great, great episode! And no Kate makes it even better!
boogieman03
11-10-05, 11:21 AM
nevermind. So now we think that Shannon got stabbed and Ann shot or shot at the killer and the killer got away without being seen, whithout making a noise and while having people close in on him/her.
cdollaz
11-10-05, 11:23 AM
I think the sleeves thing is this: Ana is wearing a tank top and the figure facing Sayid/dead Shannon in the other picture has longer sleeves. At least I think that is it.
boogieman03
11-10-05, 11:25 AM
...and I don't think it's actually nighttime, but just dark due to the trees and cloudcover.
Michael Corvin
11-10-05, 11:31 AM
Here's another mind-blower:
Walt appeared and told Shannon and Sayid to be quiet (Shhh). But what would they have to fear from the Tallies and Michael, Jin and Sawyer? Nothing, they are friendlies. It's more likely that there was something ELSE there that they needed to hide from, and that something else what shot Shannon.
Have to agree with Boogieman. There was a crazy woman with an itchy trigger finger running through the jungle from the Others whom just snatched one of their own. She was ready to use that bullet.
boogieman03
11-10-05, 11:31 AM
I think the sleeves thing is this: Ana is wearing a tank top and the figure facing Sayid/dead Shannon in the other picture has longer sleeves. At least I think that is it.
Nope, the picture shows them both being sleeveless.
bedhead_75
11-10-05, 11:40 AM
Maybe Shannon's wound is funny-shaped because it's an EXIT wound? I've never actually seen one, but it might explain the weird shape of it.
0073735963
11-10-05, 11:41 AM
I thought it was a little over the top for Boone's first line in the flashbacks..."Doesn't dying suck..." :-)
Maxflier
11-10-05, 11:48 AM
I thought it was a little over the top for Boone's first line in the flashbacks..."Doesn't dying suck..." :-)
After the events in the end of the episode combined with his own death it makes that line funny as shit. Nice catch, it didn't even hit me when he said it.
Therecanbonly1
11-10-05, 12:02 PM
the wound was a long in length wound not what would appear to be caused by a bulet.
dont go by me i'm just guessing.
Ana didn't shoot Shaanon (I hate MR too, but I have to be fair). The wound looked more like a stake wound. remeber the body Jin found when looking for Michael w/ Ecko? Stake through the chest... I think she shot AT an OTHER. She said 1 bullet wouldn't do any good against them; but maybe she shot in reaction hoping toi scare them.
As for Shannon being the one that died; I hated this. The episode seemed to be like, hey, let's write a story about killing the actress that was giving us problems. Translates to don't question the powers that be or your off the show. JJ has too much power. (Didn't he kill Vaugn on Alias too for the same tyoe of thing?). LOST killed Boone which I thought was great. It said "no one is safe" it set up to develop Shannon's character. Wow, where can this go... NOWHERE. She was hardly used the rest of last season (which was fine because she hadn't been used much prior to Boone's death) but then she was hardly used this season either. Her and Sayid got REALLY close over the few days since they went into the hatch. I realize we are not with every character for every minute; but that relationship went A LONG WAY (and I don't mean just cuz they slept together, they had more of an emotional connection than just that). Shannon was never given the opportunity to become a better character after Boone's death and now, what was the point of the 2 characters at all?
auto
11-10-05, 12:10 PM
Just to be safe, you may want to put tags on that Alias spoiler in your post, therecanbonly1.
Big Boy Laroux
11-10-05, 12:13 PM
i agree about sayid and shannon's relationship. I mean, the "I Love You" seemed like it came out of nowhere.
Kal-El
11-10-05, 12:20 PM
Regardless if Ana Lucia shot Shannon or not, the reason I don't like "M-Rod" is she just sticks out like a sore thumb from the rest of the cast. She's playing the same character from Fast and the Furious, S.W.A.T. and every other movie she's been in. The "tough girl you don't wanna mess with" type. And she really, really overplays it. Everyone else feels natural in their roles. Watching her, you KNOW she's acting.
Therecanbonly1
11-10-05, 12:33 PM
Just to be safe, you may want to put tags on that Alias spoiler in your post, therecanbonly1.
I put the spoiler in just in case; but since it happened on the season premiere, it probabky isn't necessary. Thanks, though. I don't post often and don't want to be flamed.
riley_dude
11-10-05, 12:39 PM
Regardless if Ana Lucia shot Shannon or not, the reason I don't like "M-Rod" is she just sticks out like a sore thumb from the rest of the cast. She's playing the same character from Fast and the Furious, S.W.A.T. and every other movie she's been in. The "tough girl you don't wanna mess with" type. And she really, really overplays it. Everyone else feels natural in their roles. Watching her, you KNOW she's acting.
Have you ever thought that maybe she is really like that since she is always cast in the same role??
As for Shannon being the one that died; I hated this. The episode seemed to be like, hey, let's write a story about killing the actress that was giving us problems. Translates to don't question the powers that be or your off the show. JJ has too much power.
This is the first I have heard of this. What kind of problems was she causing?
Therecanbonly1
11-10-05, 12:57 PM
I had read that back in March/April she was asking for a short Hiatus to work on a movie (rumored to be Xmen 3, but probably not) and during the summer she asked for more screen time and more money. There were rumors that many of the cast had tried this and each one that asked, was then told agian that no character is safe anymore... From everything I have read, it was not her decision to leave; but the decision was made months ago that they needed her gone (not just for plot related reasons).
cdollaz
11-10-05, 01:07 PM
With an ensemble show like this, any character could be taken out and it wouldn't hurt too much.
Charlie Goose
11-10-05, 01:25 PM
If the decision to kill off Shannon was just made over the summer due to her demands, then that worries me. It worries me because then that would mean that there is no "greater plan" for the characters and the island, and the writers are just going from episode to episode.
madara
11-10-05, 01:29 PM
The only thing different was his longer hair.
Ah not quite. Add about 10lbs of makeup.
Legolas
11-10-05, 01:38 PM
I heard that, too.
The biggest mystery to me right now is why was Walt "visiting" Shannon and no one else?
Walt's the angel of death. Everyone he visits will die. :)
12thmonkey
11-10-05, 01:51 PM
If the decision to kill off Shannon was just made over the summer due to her demands, then that worries me. It worries me because then that would mean that there is no "greater plan" for the characters and the island, and the writers are just going from episode to episode.
Shannon's always been something of a secondary character, and her role on the show has never been all that critical, imo. Hence, expendable. Ditto for Boone, at least he until he became Locke's sidekick.
My sense (or hope) is that the writer's have a solid sense of direction where the overall story will go. Perhaps it isn't important which characters are there at the end, but it's the hows and whys of how they got there.
With that said, in terms of expendability, I'm sure Jack, Kate, Locke and Sawyer are "safe" - Sayid, Michael, Jin, Sun are "pretty safe" - Claire, Charlie, baby Aaron, Hurley, Rose, Walt, Ana, Bernard, Mr. Eko, etc are "on the bubble" as potential body-bag fodder if the need arises for high drama.
Have to agree with Boogieman. There was a crazy woman with an itchy trigger finger running through the jungle from the Others whom just snatched one of their own. She was ready to use that bullet.
Still doesn't seem like the kind of danger Walt is referring to. Whatever he is doing, it seems like an awful lot of effort for just that.
Also, what's REALLY strange, from my memory is that Walt walked away to the right (stage right) and Shannon came back from the LEFT.
Michael Corvin
11-10-05, 02:56 PM
Anyone else think Boone has got a Rob Lowe look going on?
Tommy Ceez
11-10-05, 03:03 PM
Regardless if Ana Lucia shot Shannon or not, the reason I don't like "M-Rod" is she just sticks out like a sore thumb from the rest of the cast. She's playing the same character from Fast and the Furious, S.W.A.T. and every other movie she's been in. The "tough girl you don't wanna mess with" type. And she really, really overplays it. Everyone else feels natural in their roles. Watching her, you KNOW she's acting.
Well, if her flashback shows that she was NOT a tough girl in her real life, then OVERPLAYING it would be PERFECT
beatccr
11-10-05, 03:03 PM
Anyone else think Boone has got a Rob Lowe look going on?
he looked like cillian murphy in batman begins to me.
DVD Josh
11-10-05, 03:28 PM
Well, if her flashback shows that she was NOT a tough girl in her real life, then OVERPLAYING it would be PERFECT
Apparently, she was an LA beat cop
DVD Josh
11-10-05, 04:01 PM
Just to further everyone's suspicion that I think way too much about this stuff, what about this:
What if what we are seeing is NOT the same scene, but TWO DIFFERENT scenes, just half of each scence (or only one perspective). That is, two different scenes on different parts of the island cut together to play as one.
That would be very interesting. This comes from the "why is Ana holding the gun in her left hand when she is facing Sayid when she is clearly left handed" that the boards are abuzz about.
Aphex Twin
11-10-05, 04:02 PM
Here is what I think happened in the last moments of the episode.
- It rained
- Walt appeared warning Sayid and Shannon about monster
- Shannon ran after Walt
- Monster appeared and killed Shannon
- Ana Lu shot monster
- Monster ran off
superdeluxe
11-10-05, 04:13 PM
What is the significance of the sleeves?
DVD Josh
11-10-05, 04:14 PM
Here is what I think happened in the last moments of the episode.
- It rained
- Walt appeared warning Sayid and Shannon about monster
- Shannon ran after Walt
- Monster appeared and killed Shannon
- Ana Lu shot monster
- Monster ran off
Aphex, thank you for agreeing with me :) First one on any board I post at today.
DVD Josh
11-10-05, 04:15 PM
What is the significance of the sleeves?
I think to show that who is standing in front of Sayid is Ana.
Aphex Twin
11-10-05, 04:37 PM
Aphex, thank you for agreeing with me :) First one on any board I post at today.
Oh...sure...no need to thank me. Just cast your vote at the music draft! :)
Heat
11-10-05, 05:13 PM
When you first look at the picture it looks like the right arrow is pointing into the jungle. If you save it, and then play around with the brightness and gamma on it, it's clear that there's a sleeveless woman on the right side. I say woman because the hips flare out. It's Ana Lucia.
Why was there any question about whether she shot Shannon or not? I dunno, I guess there was a question on another board.
As for the wound, it's not from a gunshot (based on the pictures), obviously that'll be cleared up early next episode. Note that we didn't see Ana Lucia shoot Shannon, only a gunshot, Shannon walking wounded, and Ana Lucia holding a gun.
Regarding what I'd like to see... Mr. Eko (which is how ABC is spelling it now) and John Locke going on a hunting expedition.
Aphex Twin
11-10-05, 05:25 PM
Doesn't Mr. Ecko also play right field for the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim during the baseball season?
DVD Josh
11-10-05, 05:33 PM
Note that we didn't see Ana Lucia shoot Shannon, only a gunshot, Shannon walking wounded, and Ana Lucia holding a gun.
THANK YOU. I've been saying this all day. I'm happy to see others are starting to come around. It's so bizzare to be a fan of this show and to take what you see at face value without any analysis. This show demands it.
Josh H
11-10-05, 05:36 PM
Yeah, but over analyze stuff to much and you never get shocked or surprised, so it's a trade off.
boogieman03
11-10-05, 06:02 PM
I dunno. I still think alot of this is grasping at straws to say that there was another person with a "knife" that got to Shannon and got away without being seen or heard. Was it the monster?
I swear some people on here were convinced that Jack's Dad was alive because they saw him walking around the island, and we later saw an empty casket. We never actually saw a dead body, so he must be alive.
Now I've been thinking about this "other killer" theory, and I'll say it's intriguing. It may turn out to be accurate, but it's got some pretty big holes to fill in.
The wound on Shannon is pretty blatant on the picture, but I'll have to watch the dvr again tonight to check it out to see what it looks like there.
RichardW
11-10-05, 06:18 PM
Damn, I've got to stop deleting Lost off my DVR after the first viewing. :(
boogieman03
11-10-05, 06:38 PM
I know. I learned that lesson late last season. I know keep it until I need the space. You never know when you may want to check something after reading this thread.
I do the same for Arrested Development.
Mike1055
11-10-05, 07:16 PM
Yep. We actually were told that in the premiere (or whenever Jack had his flashback), in the background in the ER they said "Joe (or whatever his first name was) Rutherford," and his age. Plus we knew Shannon's dad had died, and obviously they wouldn't make a coincidence like that.
If I remember right Jack's future wife said she was hit head on by an SUV, the Doctor told Shannon and her Step-Mother that her father was hit by an SUV so it doesn't add up that they hit each other.
monkyskunk
11-10-05, 07:40 PM
I dunno. I still think alot of this is grasping at straws to say that there was another person with a "knife" that got to Shannon and got away without being seen or heard. Was it a monster?
Well, someone or something got to that tailly gal earlier on without being seen or heard, even though the chick was right behind the rest of the group, so I think the same could have happened to Shannon as well.
riley_dude
11-10-05, 07:53 PM
It's great that so many people here have huge imaginations but you guys are really coming up with some far out stuff.
So I guess all the flashback stuff with Shannon and Boone from last season were just time filler? What on earth does there stuff have to do with the Big Picture?
Who is going to take care of the dog????
dolphinboy
11-10-05, 08:01 PM
Who is going to take care of the dog????
I'm not sure, but his flashback episode is supposed to air in January.
cupcake jesus
11-10-05, 08:01 PM
Who is going to take care of the dog????
Um...probably Michael. It is his kid's dog.
cheers,
-the Jesus
riley_dude
11-10-05, 08:03 PM
I'm not sure, but his flashback episode is supposed to air in January.
Will it be subtitled so we know what he's thinking??
achau9598
11-10-05, 08:33 PM
Will it be subtitled so we know what he's thinking??
I hope they do it like Buck on Married With Children
GizmoDVD
11-10-05, 09:21 PM
What if it was that missing girl (Libby or Cynthia) or stabbed Shannon thinking she was an 'other'?
IDrinkMolson
11-10-05, 09:23 PM
Damn, I've got to stop deleting Lost off my DVR after the first viewing. :(
Yeah, I learned that last season. My norm now is watch show, read thread for a few days, rewatch before next weeks episode.
I really enjoyed this episode.
My guess is she's dead, and was shot by Ana. Walt was trying to shut her up because he knew that if she made a lot of noise Ana would hear it and be ready to shoot.
If Shannon dies, Jack will never know his ex/wife killed the father. Seems like a loose end. They eventually got Sawyer to tell Jack about meeting his dad in the bar.
Brent L
11-10-05, 09:53 PM
http://planettom.home.mindspring.com/lost/
That is great. Let it count all the way down. :)
Mike1055
11-10-05, 10:08 PM
If Shannon dies, Jack will never know his ex/wife killed the father. Seems like a loose end. They eventually got Sawyer to tell Jack about meeting his dad in the bar.
Could it be that Jack's ex and Shannon's father were in the same vehicle. I posted a few back that I remember Jack's ex saying she hit a SUV and Shannon was told her father was hit by a SUV.
Big Boy Laroux
11-10-05, 10:53 PM
no, jack's wife was driving the SUV. They said that in this season's premiere.
dolphinboy
11-10-05, 10:53 PM
Will it be subtitled so we know what he's thinking??
Yes, but in typical Lost fashion, the subtitled words in English will be spelled backwards.
Maxflier
11-10-05, 11:32 PM
http://planettom.home.mindspring.com/lost/
That is great. Let it count all the way down. :)
I was going to let it count down, but i chickened out at the end and put the numbers in.
Breakfast with Girls
11-10-05, 11:38 PM
Walt: Shh.
Shannon: WHAT?
Walt: Shh!
Shannon: WHAT??! WHAAAT????!
Walt: You are one dumb bitch, you know that?!
Also, I've got a theory about who shot Shannon: Ana Lucia, and no one else! I know, I know, it's brilliant.
DVD Josh
11-11-05, 12:02 AM
Just re-watched the island scenes from this episode, especially the ending. The sound of the gun is NOT a handgun, it's a rifle. Listen again, you'll hear it. Lots of people have rifles on the island - Rousseau, Desmond, ANYONE in the hatch.
How does that explain Ana's spent weapon? Fuck if I know, but it certainly doesn't sound like a handgun.
GizmoDVD
11-11-05, 12:21 AM
It must have been Anna though. The looks on Jin and Michaels face means they saw her shoot Shannon...or atleast what REALLY happened.
Jimmy James
11-11-05, 12:49 AM
Just re-watched the island scenes from this episode, especially the ending. The sound of the gun is NOT a handgun, it's a rifle. Listen again, you'll hear it. Lots of people have rifles on the island - Rousseau, Desmond, ANYONE in the hatch.
How does that explain Ana's spent weapon? Fuck if I know, but it certainly doesn't sound like a handgun.
I could be wrong, but I think television and film sounds are not chosen for accuracy (i.e., what they use for a handgun is what a handgun actually sounds like) -- they are chosen for effect. I agree that the sound seemed like a rifle to me, but rifles tend to have a much more authoritative sort of sound if you ask me. Handguns often don't even sound like what most people think of as what a gun sounds like, but rifles sound like what people would expect.
We'll know eventually if this was supposed to be something significant. Until then, I really don't know that it means anything.
aktick
11-11-05, 01:05 AM
"A DOG IS A MAN AND A MAN IS A DOG" :D
...the morse code from bigspaceship1.com...
Speaking of the dog - people were complaining last season that Hurley wasn't losing weight, and actually maybe gaining a bit. I think they need to get Vincent on a diet! What a fat bastard!
Heat
11-11-05, 01:14 AM
Speaking of Vincent, her real name is Madison and though she's a she, she plays a male dog on Lost.
Dude. If you look at her ribs, you can see the Dharma Logo!
DVD Josh
11-11-05, 09:22 AM
I was thinking how funny it would be if she ended up on Reunion next year and was the one who got murdered. Talk about typecasting.
Groucho
11-11-05, 10:38 AM
I wasn't able to watch this on Wednesday night, so I had to wait until Thursday. In the meantime those dicks at Yahoo decided to spoilerize the episode in their entertainment headlines. Have they never heard of Tivo?
Despite my disappointment in being spoiled, I still enjoyed the episode.
bralph
11-11-05, 10:50 AM
I wasn't able to watch this on Wednesday night, so I had to wait until Thursday. In the meantime those dicks at Yahoo decided to spoilerize the episode in their entertainment headlines. Have they never heard of Tivo?
Despite my disappointment in being spoiled, I still enjoyed the episode.
I had the exact same issue. Although it was still interesting to watch, since I didn't know how or when.
"There goes Sayid out of the tent with a 'be right back', I bet she gets it now... Nope."
"There she goes chasing after Walt with the dog. I bet the monster eats her... Nope not yet, Sayid found her at Boone's gravesite."
"There she goes again, chasing after Walt. The monster gets her this time for sure... Oops, shot by Anna? Wasn't expecting that..."
:drool:
Me --> :horse: <-- Her ('cept she's neither dead nor a horse)
riley_dude
11-11-05, 12:28 PM
Too many people we're looking at it...exceeded usage.
Someone should have downloaded it.
It wouldnt let me capture it, download it or print it. The frog kept coming up instead.
Jericho
11-11-05, 12:30 PM
If I remember right Jack's future wife said she was hit head on by an SUV, the Doctor told Shannon and her Step-Mother that her father was hit by an SUV so it doesn't add up that they hit each other.
Why not? Can't they both be driving SUVs? It's not like there's only one in the world...
Jericho
11-11-05, 12:31 PM
Doesn't Mr. Ecko also play right field for the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim during the baseball season?
First you have to play for the Montreal Expos, then you get stranded on a Pacific Island. Can it get any worse? Probably....
Michael Corvin
11-11-05, 01:38 PM
:drool:
Me --> :horse: <-- Her ('cept she's neither dead nor a horse)
:hscratch: Beat her with an ugly stick? I'm not following.
Morf
11-11-05, 01:41 PM
Beat her with an ugly stick? I'm not following.
:lol:
It's "beat a dead horse".
Aphex Twin
11-11-05, 03:03 PM
It must have been Anna though. The looks on Jin and Michaels face means they saw her shoot Shannon...or atleast what REALLY happened.
Wouldn't you think they would have those looks from seeing someone get wounded or attacked like that, no matter who or what perpetrated it?
Aphex Twin
11-11-05, 03:04 PM
First you have to play for the Montreal Expos, then you get stranded on a Pacific Island. Can it get any worse? Probably....
:lol:
Therecanbonly1
11-11-05, 03:46 PM
I think that Ana shot Vincent. He ran off before they saw Walt. The Others killed Shannon a small distance away but far enough away that Michael didn't hear Shannon screaming "Walt" (I think that would have alerted them that she was coming... and Michael would assume that he had been found). Sahyd (sp) heard the gun shot - it was close, but not what killed Shannon just in the same general direction. The person Sahyid is lookig at isn't Ana; but the other that killed Shannon. Michael & Jin's expressions would fit with the killing of Vincent as would Ana's (a dog?!).
Michael Corvin
11-11-05, 04:31 PM
Interesting theory highlander fan.
DRG
11-11-05, 04:53 PM
I think that Ana shot Vincent.
Somehow I imagine some people will be more pissed about this than Shannon's death. :lol:
And if so, could that mean Vincent is the "survivor who was lost forever" and that Shannon actually lives? I mean, it's silly, but we are talking about network marketing here.
12thmonkey
11-11-05, 05:14 PM
And if so, could that mean Vincent is the "survivor who was lost forever" and that Shannon actually lives? I mean, it's silly, but we are talking about network marketing here.
:eek: Man, I hope that's not how it pans out :(
Therecanbonly1
11-11-05, 05:28 PM
They can still kill Shannon, but Vincent would be the one killed by "One of the other survivors". I have been told by friends that Vincent is in preview shots; so this is probably not how it happened.
cracksky
11-11-05, 06:10 PM
I'm more and more convinced that they cleverly intercut the two scenes: Anna shooting at one of Others or the monster and Shannon being attacked by one of the Others or the monster. With Walt saying, "They're coming and they're close," implies the Others but the rain usually indicates the arrival of the monster. It's still possible Anna is there with Shannon at the end but there's no way she shoots her. Her wound is from the creature or a spear.
aktick
11-11-05, 06:17 PM
I'm more and more convinced that they cleverly intercut the two scenes: Anna shooting at one of Others or the monster and Shannon being attacked by one of the Others or the monster. With Walt saying, "They're coming and they're close," implies the Others but the rain usually indicates the arrival of the monster. It's still possible Anna is there with Shannon at the end but there's no way she shoots her. Her wound is from the creature or a spear.
I'm starting to think the same, but I think Ana is definitely right there in front of Sayid.
kms_md
11-11-05, 06:35 PM
Doesn't Mr. Ecko also play right field for the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim during the baseball season?
rotfl
:thumbsup:
DVD Josh
11-11-05, 06:48 PM
I'm more and more convinced that they cleverly intercut the two scenes: Anna shooting at one of Others or the monster and Shannon being attacked by one of the Others or the monster. With Walt saying, "They're coming and they're close," implies the Others but the rain usually indicates the arrival of the monster. It's still possible Anna is there with Shannon at the end but there's no way she shoots her. Her wound is from the creature or a spear.
Another guy had this idea at work yesterday. I like it. I'm open to any interpretation that goes with my theory that Ana did not shoot Shannon (but she shot at something regardless).
cracksky
11-12-05, 01:38 AM
Shannon's wound is a shallow knife wound that was done up close because when we first see her emerge we see her back which is completely uninjured and bloodless. If she was shot there would be an entrance or exit wound back there. It could still be a spear wound but I think that would go straight through her. Anna could just be ready to shoot after hearing the gunshot (which actually sounds like a rifle to me).
Sayid is the first to look towards the place where Walt is standing, then Shannon turns around and sees him so Sayid definitely sees him too. I think Walt was actually there at the end because when he walks away the branches on the trees move. Plus, he didn't have water falling down his face at the end. All the other visions showed water including the one in the tent. This time it was raining. Maybe the visions were foretelling the night of Shannon's death when it would be raining.
LorenzoL
11-12-05, 07:59 AM
Finally watched it and I thought it was a good episode overall. I'm not sad to see the "death" of Shannon.
boogieman03
11-12-05, 02:22 PM
A gunshot to the stomach doesn't have an exit wound. There's alot going on in there for it to come out.
Crashnburn
11-12-05, 02:45 PM
Shannon's wound is a shallow knife wound that was done up close because when we first see her emerge we see her back which is completely uninjured and bloodless. If she was shot there would be an entrance or exit wound back there. It could still be a spear wound but I think that would go straight through her. Anna could just be ready to shoot after hearing the gunshot (which actually sounds like a rifle to me).
As Boogieman03 said a stomach wound won't necessarily have an exit wound, especially if the bullet hits the spine. The slide on Anna's gun was back as if the gun was out of rounds, and Anna had previously said the gun only had one bullet left.
cracksky
11-12-05, 03:01 PM
Okay, so gunshots to the stomach area can stay there and not exit but that still doesn't change the wound looking like a long, jagged, vertical hole made by a knife or a spear. Anna probably shot her one bullet at the Other who stabbed Shannon. Hopefully we'll get the resolution to this during the extended flashback episode next week as a flash-forward. :)
aktick
11-12-05, 04:51 PM
Link to the Canadian trailer, much more revealing as always. http://www.livejournal.com/users/voodoo_in_tx/343090.html
Goldberg74
11-12-05, 04:55 PM
It was a chest-bursting alien.
I'm convinced of that.
aktick
11-12-05, 05:26 PM
http://www.mlong.org/whispers.mp3
The whispers that Sayid and Shannon heard. Play it backwards and you can decipher some of it.
Anybody else think that maybe the reason "the others" haven't harrassed our losties much is because of the security system? I think the SS protects part of the island, but not the part where the "tailies" landed.
Jimmy James
11-12-05, 05:50 PM
http://www.mlong.org/whispers.mp3
The whispers that Sayid and Shannon heard. Play it backwards and you can decipher some of it.
Anybody else think that maybe the reason "the others" haven't harrassed our losties much is because of the security system? I think the SS protects part of the island, but not the part where the "tailies" landed.
I wonder if the security system doesn't protect certain plots of land the island is on. You know, six stations, six numbers that indicate where the stations are, six protected areas?
aktick
11-12-05, 05:55 PM
I wonder if the security system doesn't protect certain plots of land the island is on. You know, six stations, six numbers that indicate where the stations are, six protected areas?
Good point, could be. But I do think it's protecting it from "the others."
Michael Corvin
11-12-05, 09:23 PM
I wonder if the security system doesn't protect certain plots of land the island is on. You know, six stations, six numbers that indicate where the stations are, six protected areas?
But the "talies" are/were in a dharma station, which means that theory doesn't work, or the security in that area is broken.
dhmac
11-13-05, 11:20 AM
But the "tailies" are/were in a dharma station, which means that theory doesn't work, or the security in that area is broken.
But that particular Dharma station the tailies were in had apparently been ransacked some time ago, so without any of the equipment remaining, I think the station no longer served its original function.
Jimmy James
11-13-05, 12:33 PM
But the "talies" are/were in a dharma station, which means that theory doesn't work, or the security in that area is broken.
Maybe it wasn't in fact a Dharma station. There was no equipment that I saw -- it could have just been a storage shed or something.
kms_md
11-13-05, 12:52 PM
or they moved to the dharma station after they had been attacked by the others.
Autotelik
11-13-05, 01:48 PM
:lol: at the microanalysis of exit wounds, or lack of. You guys are really into this.
Jimmy James
11-13-05, 04:40 PM
or they moved to the dharma station after they had been attacked by the others.
Beyond that, maybe somebody neglected to enter the order, the others got in, and they destroyed the security system for that sector. The trained monkeys entering the numbers don't actually understand what they're doing, so they don't understand they only have to enter 5 numbers now.
aktick
11-13-05, 09:32 PM
Beyond that, maybe somebody neglected to enter the order, the others got in, and they destroyed the security system for that sector. The trained monkeys entering the numbers don't actually understand what they're doing, so they don't understand they only have to enter 5 numbers now.
Well, about the hatch and DHARMA stuff:
Episode Title: Merged
* Scheduled air date: December 14, 2005
This episode has some big questions answered. It shows flashbacks of the island. Yes, the island and tells you how the hatch came to be, what will happen if the 'numbers' aren't typed into the computer, and how the 'others' came on the island.
Source: E!
So I'm guessing we'll learn quite a lot, can't wait for that episode. It's also the last episode before a month break, so there's sure to be a big cliffhanger (didn't Locke and Boone discover the hatch at that point last season?)
aktick
11-13-05, 10:00 PM
I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, but The Hanso Foundation website (an official ABC site) has been updated... http://www.thehansofoundation.org/ go there, go to "active projects", "life extension project", read that, then at the bottom of the letter you can click on some of the text, do that, type in "Copenhagen", hit submit.
Michael Corvin
11-14-05, 06:34 AM
Beyond that, maybe somebody neglected to enter the order, the others got in, and they destroyed the security system for that sector. The trained monkeys entering the numbers don't actually understand what they're doing, so they don't understand they only have to enter 5 numbers now.
But isn't the swan station the only one the numbers have to be entered? I thought that was what the training video said.
dhmac
11-14-05, 07:39 AM
But isn't the swan station the only one the numbers have to be entered? I thought that was what the training video said.
The training video we saw was specifically for the Swan station, so I would guess the other stations each had its own specific training video.
CPA-ESQ.
11-14-05, 09:28 AM
I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, but The Hanso Foundation website (an official ABC site) has been updated... http://www.thehansofoundation.org/ go there, go to "active projects", "life extension project", read that, then at the bottom of the letter you can click on some of the text, do that, type in "Copenhagen", hit submit.
Thanks for the update... some good stuff there.
DVD Josh
11-14-05, 10:08 AM
I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, but The Hanso Foundation website (an official ABC site) has been updated... http://www.thehansofoundation.org/ go there, go to "active projects", "life extension project", read that, then at the bottom of the letter you can click on some of the text, do that, type in "Copenhagen", hit submit.
I believe there's quite alot of talk that the site is NOT an official LOST site. Interesting stuff nonetheless.
12thmonkey
11-14-05, 10:15 AM
I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, but The Hanso Foundation website (an official ABC site) has been updated... http://www.thehansofoundation.org/ go there, go to "active projects", "life extension project", read that, then at the bottom of the letter you can click on some of the text, do that, type in "Copenhagen", hit submit.
Hmmm. Interesting stuff
re: the hidden "Copenhagen" memo: Zanzibar?
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