I just found something out last night.. all these widescreen movies I have been watching aren't really in good widescreen! What is up with that? For the first time I got to watch a 16:9 movie on my TV, Saw. man, it looked so great! No black bars, no loss of image space, it was wonderful!
Why don't companies put all of their movies in 16:9 for us people with widescreen tvs (or even for 4:3 hdtv's with 16:9 mode)? All these crazy formats arent as fun to watch.
I demand more 16:9!
Okay I am done.
majorjoe23
11-04-05, 02:39 PM
I'm going to guess that cost is the factor. If a studio released a non-anamorphic DVD in 1999 and it didn't sell well, they may not be willing to spend money on a new transfer if they think it won't sell well now either.
PixyJunket
11-04-05, 02:40 PM
Sigh. Is the concept of Original Aspect Ratio REALLY that hard to understand?
PixyJunket
11-04-05, 02:41 PM
I'm going to guess that cost is the factor. If a studio released a non-anamorphic DVD in 1999 and it didn't sell well, they may not be willing to spend money on a new transfer if they think it won't sell well now either.I think the OP is requesting more movies in 1.78:1 so they can fill his entire screen.. though I could be wrong.
bboisvert
11-04-05, 02:44 PM
I just found something out last night.. all these widescreen movies I have been watching aren't really in good widescreen! What is up with that?
Until you let me know what you mean by "good widescreen" (anamorphic? 1.78:1 ratio regardless of how it was filmed?), I can't even comment...
LordJezo
11-04-05, 02:49 PM
I mean as in.. widescreen tv with all the space filled in. no letterboxing.
I watched "Saw" last night widescreen edition. Everything was filled in. It made me happy.
bboisvert
11-04-05, 02:50 PM
I mean as in.. widescreen tv with all the space filled in. no letterboxing.
That's what I was afraid of...
milo bloom
11-04-05, 02:53 PM
A screen is a piece of furniture, not a rule of law. Please see the sig for further info.
Chew
11-04-05, 02:54 PM
I'm guessing Ben-Hur isn't on the OPs viewing horizon.....
bboisvert
11-04-05, 02:55 PM
... or any movies filmed before the 1950s.
DjRidz
11-04-05, 02:58 PM
Good Widescreen.......
I personally like Great Widescreen, but thats just me........
Toben
11-04-05, 03:04 PM
I mean as in.. widescreen tv with all the space filled in. no letterboxing.
I watched "Saw" last night widescreen edition. Everything was filled in. It made me happy.
Better be careful there. That's sounding dangerously close to the reasons uneducated consumers have for preferring full screen dvds.
brainee
11-04-05, 03:18 PM
I mean as in.. widescreen tv with all the space filled in. no letterboxing.
I watched "Saw" last night widescreen edition. Everything was filled in. It made me happy.
There's an easy solution to get past this. Buy Full Screen versions of everything and select "Stretch Mode" for your HDTV. Now you can enjoy all your DVDs filling up the whole screen!
Groucho
11-04-05, 03:21 PM
Just what I predicted would happen when Joe Sixpack started buying Widescreen televisions.
illennium
11-04-05, 03:24 PM
Is there a high horse left for me or are they all taken?
Johnny Zhivago
11-04-05, 03:24 PM
-popcorn-
bunkaroo
11-04-05, 03:27 PM
I mean as in.. widescreen tv with all the space filled in. no letterboxing.
I watched "Saw" last night widescreen edition. Everything was filled in. It made me happy.
Hmmm, I didn't know they had internet connections under bridges these days. :D
Kal-El
11-04-05, 03:30 PM
There are movies filmed with a wider aspect ratio such as Star Wars so you'll still get some black bars. That doesn't mean though, that it's "bad".
Mexican Menace
11-04-05, 03:41 PM
Is there a high horse left for me or are they all taken?Dunno about high ones, but there's at least one dead one you can use. :horse:
Premise
11-04-05, 03:41 PM
On your widescreen tv,a 2:35 movie should look something like this:
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9088/wi2353va.jpg
A 1:33 movie should display like this,unless you stretch it:
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8576/sidebar1er.jpg
Finally, a 1:85 movie may or may not fill your entire screen depending if you
have a fixed pixel display,because rptvs have overscan.
exharrison
11-04-05, 03:47 PM
Just what I predicted would happen when Joe Sixpack started buying Widescreen televisions.
I wonder if they will start putting out 16:9 versions of all the movies in wider aspects like they do for 4:3.
Admiral7
11-04-05, 03:54 PM
What a travesty if Star Wars, LOTR, Lawrence of Arabia, Patton, Ben Hur and countless other films were shot in 1.78 or 1.85 just so the movies would fill LordJezo's TV screen. *sigh*
Still, as you can see, LordJezo is a "Cool New Member," so clearly he just needs to be educated instead of ridiculed, so let's see what we can do to help him.
GuessWho
11-04-05, 04:00 PM
MOVIES are made to fit MOVIE screens... not televisions
GuessWho
11-04-05, 04:00 PM
Still, as you can see, LordJezo is a "Cool New Member," so clearly he just needs to be educated instead of ridiculed, so let's see what we can do to help him.
I question the use of "Cool" ;)
fitprod
11-04-05, 04:20 PM
I wonder if they will start putting out 16:9 versions of all the movies in wider aspects like they do for 4:3.
You may want to discuss this issue with HBO, I'm sure we'll have to start bitching about six to eight month after the next generation DVD's show up. Be that when it may...
That's why I won't waste my money on HBO...
fitprod
Mr. Salty
11-04-05, 04:40 PM
These are theatrical movies, not TV shows. I don't give a rat's ass whether they fill your TV set. I want them to look good in movie theaters, and I want them framed the way the director wanted them framed. Homogenization, particularly to appease someone's TV viewing habits, is not a good thing.
L Chabert Lover
11-04-05, 04:56 PM
I mean as in.. widescreen tv with all the space filled in. no letterboxing.
I watched "Saw" last night widescreen edition. Everything was filled in. It made me happy.
I could set the building on fire.
John Sinnott
11-04-05, 05:06 PM
-notrolls-
Isn't it obvious that this is a troll?
LordJezo
11-06-05, 07:50 AM
Well, this "Cool New Member" has been around on these forums for years longer than the people bringing up that fact.
So how about this, why is there no standard when it comes to filming? Does one thing have an advantage over another? Do the directors all use different equipment when they are filming? Why is the tv standard 16:9 if most of the movies out there are not in 16:9?
Jason
11-06-05, 08:11 AM
Hmmm, I didn't know they had internet connections under bridges these days. :D
And yet you found one.
Not everybody is a widescreen scholar, you know.
sureAV421
11-06-05, 08:52 AM
Well, this "Cool New Member" has been around on these forums for years longer than the people bringing up that fact.
So how about this, why is there no standard when it comes to filming? Does one thing have an advantage over another? Do the directors all use different equipment when they are filming? Why is the tv standard 16:9 if most of the movies out there are not in 16:9?
why should there be? is there only one type of music? filmmaking is an art and shouldn't have any restrictions placed on it.
BasiaMille
11-06-05, 08:57 AM
IIRC, 16x9 was established as a kind of "compromise" between the 4:3 TV shape (based originally on the Academy Aspect Ratio, 1.33:1), and 1.85-2.35:1, the aspect ratios of most modern films.
For more on this, consult your local library. Or wait for the inevitable deluge of information from those more scholarly than I am at 5:58am.
Lest there be flaming, I recall the lyrics from "Billy, Don't Be a Hero:"
"Billy, keep your head low..."
BOMM,
CS
brianluvdvd
11-06-05, 09:22 AM
-notrolls-
Isn't it obvious that this is a troll?
Exactly. Why is it that when these guys show up here that most of our senior members continue to feed them? Just ignore these posts and let them fade away.
cactusoly
11-06-05, 09:49 AM
Now that I think of it, I have seen a few 16X9 movies on my widescreen TV and noticed there was still stuff being cut off from the sides. Don't ask me which ones because I don't remember.
Josh Z
11-06-05, 11:29 AM
Now that I think of it, I have seen a few 16X9 movies on my widescreen TV and noticed there was still stuff being cut off from the sides. Don't ask me which ones because I don't remember.
Most consumer televisions have 5% or more "overscan", which trims picture off all 4 sides of the frame. A calibration disc such as Avia or Digital Video Essentials has test patterns that will show you how much overscan your TV has.
The Bus
11-06-05, 11:33 AM
Search the forum for "wisescreen" or "foolscreen" for more info.
djtoell
11-06-05, 01:37 PM
Why is the tv standard 16:9 if most of the movies out there are not in 16:9?
This is like asking why my car is silver when my sneakers are blue.
DJ
Egon's Ghost
11-06-05, 01:51 PM
This is like asking why my car is silver when my sneakers are blue.
DJ
Oh, so you have some black bars. BIG EFFING DEAL.
dsa_shea
11-06-05, 02:15 PM
I also just bought a widescreen tv and I have a question. My question is why is there about an inch or so of information on each side that isnt displayed on the screen? I am asking this because after reading the review of the new Office Space Special Edition I noticed something. When I looked at the screen cap of the special features menu (the picture with the cake, napkins, etc.) I noticed that the whole handle of the coffee cup could be seen as well as the whole napkin on the left side. On my tv (30 inch Sony Widescreen) the coffee cups handle gets chopped in half and only about half of the napkin can be seen. Does anyone know why this is? why cant you get "all" of the information to be displayed? My bother asked me why I wanted to make a big deal about it but if the information is there to be seen then why isn't it? Please inform me.
Well i guess the answer was posted while I was writing this.
sureAV421
11-06-05, 04:10 PM
overscan. most tv's have around 4-5% of info cut off at the sides.
shaggy
11-06-05, 04:41 PM
I agree that these people need to be educated. Many just don't know better and once educated will only buy widescreen. Look how the sales numbers have changed so things are improving. This is also the reason studios should only release in widesreen and then provide both an explanation on why its in widescreen and how to make it your fit your TV if you still want it that way.
If "joe six pack" is willing to watch fullscreen, then I bet a stretched picture won't bother them either.
nightmaster
11-06-05, 07:49 PM
Is there a high horse left for me or are they all taken?
I think some of the REALLY high ones still haven't saddled up......
Just Lurking
11-06-05, 08:34 PM
Doesn't Disney actually market 16x9 offerings as family friendly?
digitalfreaknyc
11-06-05, 09:05 PM
Doesn't Disney actually market 16x9 offerings has family friendly?
HUHHHHH??????
Drexl
11-06-05, 09:13 PM
HUHHHHH??????
Some Disney titles that are 1.66:1 and anamorphic are labeled as "family friendly widescreen," even though the image is about the same height as the supposedly family-unfriendly 1.85:1 (exactly the same compared to 1.78:1), and uses less of the available television width. With enough overscan, the image seen on the set can be the same size as with 1.78:1.
digitalfreaknyc
11-06-05, 09:44 PM
Ah. So the word "has" was supposed to be "as." That was the issue with the above statement. ;) Wasn't english.
Just Lurking
11-06-05, 11:36 PM
Ah. So the word "has" was supposed to be "as." That was the issue with the above statement. ;) Wasn't english.
Oops! Didn't realize that I hit "submit reply". I was going to look Disney's actual wording and post later. Now I realize that I had already posted it.
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