TO says Eagles would be unbeaten with Brett Favre at QB

[Quake1028]

Figured this is big enough to get it's own thread.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2213282

Michael Irvin originally said it, and TO agreed with it. What does everyone think? Donovan cannot be too happy, that's for sure.

[MovieMaster11]

As a Packers fan I think this is bullshit. Yeah he would have a lot more weapons around him but he still will be going for the long bomb and get picked off. Brett should have just called it a career after last season because he is just embarassing himself. The Eagles would probablly be about as good as they are right now if they had Brett but it would not help very much. Sad to say but Favres done.

[Nazgul]

:lol: at Philly Fan who thought Too would not be a cancer.

[raven56706]

TO is ko ko for COCOA PUFFS


whatever he is smoking.... dont pass it my way ;)

[Daryl]

Favre of 96-97, yeah. Current Favre? Um, no - because these days it's almost guaranteed that every 6 or 7 games, Brett will pull what he did Sunday: a nice 4 or 5 INT game.

[Deftones]

Yeah, this just goes to show you that TO and Michael Irvin are butt buddies.

[LurkerDan]

Damn, that's a lot of hate for a guy (Favre) who has no offensive line, lost his best WR and his 2 best RB's to season ending injuries. The fact that Favre only has one of those god awful games every 6 or 7 is a minor freaking miracle.

But TO is still wrong.

[Josh H]

Totally wrong. Favre's not a top QB anymore. Not top 10 for sure. Maybe not even top 15.

[mgbfan]

Owens is living in the past. Favre is done, has been for a little while now. You can catch glimpses now and again, but he doesn't have it anymore. For years, he got away with the ill-advised chucks. Now he's paying for a lot more of those bad decisions.

[grrrah]

Yeah, this just goes to show you that TO and Michael Irvin are butt buddies.
It wouldn't surprise me one bit. I live near a lot of 49ers, and I see them around town a lot, usually with hot women. But when TO was here, I would always see him with other guys at the mall, restaurants, the gym. Never saw him with a hot girl (out of probably 4 or 5 times I ran into him).

[cdollaz]

Similarly, the Eagles would be a much better team if they had Steve Smith instead of TO. It works both ways.

[Shannon Nutt]

If I were Donavan, I'd come out and say the team would also be unbeaten if they had Marvin Harrison as WR. :)

[Chew]

If I were Donavan, I'd come out and say the team would also be unbeaten if they had Marvin Harrison as WR. :)

That would be funny. :lol:

[Quake1028]

What gets me is he talked about Favre's toughness......so McNabb isn't tough :whofart:?

[Chew]

What gets me is he talked about Favre's toughness......so McNabb isn't tough :whofart:?

I'm not so sure any of us are meant to understand "TO logic".

[Quake1028]

BTW, he already offered a half-assed, 20 second apology today :lol:.

[neiname]

:lol: at Philly Fan who thought Too would not be a cancer.

lol

[raven56706]

TO just said he didnt mean to say Favre





he meant to say Tom Brady

[fujishig]

Well, he did say the Eagle's would've won more games with a healthy Mcnabb, so maybe he was referring to injuries?

I dunno, I think Favre is still a good QB,and if anything, you can't put all the blame on GB's lack of success on him. And now Fisher and Chatman look to be questionable for this week. How many more injuries can one team have?

Anyone think TO's gonna be suspended?

[codecomplete]

Maybe we as fans should stop paying attention to these types of stunts and then maybe the media would stop giving them so much attention. You know how kids sometimes throw tantums and you have to ignore them? We need an Ignore-TO-For-The Season campaign.

I don't know the whole context of what Irvin said, but it seems idiotic to say what he said. Not ony is it a slight against McNabb but against the entire Philly team.

I really have a lot of respect for Irvin as a player and certainly thinks he belong with the best of them, but someone really need to shorten his leash.

[Tarantino]

I think the Eagles would be okay if they just ran the ball once or twice a game.

= J

[LorenzoL]

I think the only way TO will be happy with a QB is if he was able to play that position also.

[Red Dog]

Eagles have suspended TO indefinitely. rotfl

[B.A.]

Eagles have suspended TO indefinitely. rotflThey lost all credibility by not doing something earlier this season (or before the season started). Why waste their time now? It's just going to hurt them on the field.

[raven56706]

this is the face TO made after the suspension

http://tinypic.com/fcicqt.jpg

[Quake1028]

Eagles have suspended TO indefinitely. rotfl

What an absolute trainwreck thier season has become. They might not win another game this year.

[Canadian Bacon]

Eagles have suspended TO indefinitely. rotfl
rotfl yeah that'll learn him ;)

[dom56]

I guess the Eagles have a big case of bird flu. :lol:

What a joke this assclown is. While he maybe the best talented WR in the NFL , I hardly would called him an NFL player. Look for him to be traded if any team want him at all.

[Lateralus]

I guess the Eagles have a big case of bird flu. :lol:

What a joke this assclown is. While he maybe the best talented WR in the NFL , I hardly would called him an NFL player. Look for him to be traded if any team want him at all.


Raiders or Ravens will probalby gladly take him, they will take anybody as long as they are good.

[Canadian Bacon]

Look for him to be traded if any team want him at all.
http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nfl/oakland/raiderslogo.JPG
-wink-

[mgbfan]

Look for him to be traded if any team want him at all.
The trading deadline has passed. If he's traded, it won't be this year.

[Quake1028]

The funny thing is, ESPN is reporting he wasn't suspended for being an overall assclown, but he was suspended because he didn't apologize to the TEAM, but to the MEDIA in his statement yesterday. Moreover, the longest they can suspend him is 4 games, and there is a good possibility he will be back for the Dallas game. What a joke -rolleyes-.

[the_dude8]

I guess the Eagles have a big case of bird flu. :lol:

What a joke this assclown is. While he maybe the best talented WR in the NFL , I hardly would called him an NFL player. Look for him to be traded if any team want him at all.

the packets would gladly take TO since they're in need of a WR and TO always want to play with Farve as his QB.

[Sdallnct]

I think it is a good move to suspend him - you can get away with his crap in some towns, but not in Philli (and I hate Philli!)

Don't think they will bring him back for Dallas. If it was only going to be ONE game (slap on the wrist), they would have just said that. Think they will sit him a couple of games at least.

A trade will be interesting. He is back in the same boat when he left SF. Philli is going to want something decent in return and whoever takes him is going to have to renegotiate the contract. Yup...Raider look to be the only choice - but not sure you got enough room on the fielf for Moss and TO.

[CRM114]

As a lifelong Eagles fan, I have to say T.O. could have been enshrined forever in Philadelphia if not for this off-season and season. Last year, he kept his mouth shut and the fans really embraced him. Then this nonsense. The dude has no brains in his head. He has such potential for greatness - in a legendary sense - and blew it all away. This is obviously his last season as an Eagle.

This actually may really spark the team against Washington. They don't like him at all and want to win without him for spite.

[Josh H]

I'll have a coniption if the Raiders get him.

I hated when they got Moss, and think it's not coincidence that they a have started winning since Moss has been hurt and they started throwing the ball to Porter and the other receivers more instead of trying to force it in to him all the time to keep him happy.

[CRM114]

I'll have a coniption if the Raiders get him.

I hated when they got Moss, and think it's not coincidence that they a have started winning since Moss has been hurt and they started throwing the ball to Porter and the other receivers more instead of trying to force it in to him all the time to keep him happy.

And on the other hand, there is Minnesota. :lol:

[pedagogue]

It is sad that everything thinks of the Raiders as his first option. (The team that collects problematic players and those who are over the hill.....at least TO isn't both)

T.O. on one side, Moss on the other....and Collins heaving the ball 40+ a game. He'd at least put up some good numbers, but that would be a PR nightmare!

-p

[CRM114]

BTW, T.O. didn't help himself by putting his house in NJ up for sale a few weeks ago.

[Bandoman]

As a lifelong Eagles fan, I have to say T.O. could have been enshrined forever in Philadelphia if not for this off-season and season. Last year, he kept his mouth shut and the fans really embraced him. Then this nonsense. The dude has no brains in his head. He has such potential for greatness - in a legendary sense - and blew it all away. This is obviously his last season as an Eagle.

This actually may really spark the team against Washington. They don't like him at all and want to win without him for spite.

I couldn't agree more. After the Super Bowl, even with the loss, TO was a hero and could have remained one here for the rest of his life if he wasn't such an ass this year. Now he will be hated forever in this town.

Reid should have shut him down after his behavior during traning camp.

[CRM114]

Reid should have shut him down after his behavior during traning camp.

Andy gave him his shot. He deserved one chance. TO still could have salvaged everything if he just ate some crow and admitted he was wrong.

[Spicollidriver1]

He may only be able to be suspended for 4 games why can't they just Keyshawn afterwards.

[nickdawgy]

as a 49ers fan, all I can say is I told you so.

[CRM114]

as a 49ers fan, all I can say is I told you so.

Well, we got one Super Bowl year out of him. Eagle fans can be thankful for that.

[Brian Shannon]

Figured this is big enough to get it's own thread.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2213282

Michael Irvin originally said it, and TO agreed with it. What does everyone think? Donovan cannot be too happy, that's for sure.

I am glad Philadelphia has him and I think they deserve him.

[raven56706]

Owens got into a fight on Wednesday with former Eagles defensive end and current team ambassador Hugh Douglas, the Trenton Times reported and ESPN's Chris Mortensen confirmed Sunday.

[raven56706]

Owens got into a fight on Wednesday with former Eagles defensive end and current team ambassador Hugh Douglas, the Trenton Times reported and ESPN's Chris Mortensen confirmed Sunday.

A team source told Mortensen that Douglas, whose post with the Eagles he re-titled "bad-ass-ador," entered the team's training room Wednesday and announced "I know there are people in here faking injuries." The comment apparently led to the scrum between Owens and Douglas.

One source told the Times the fight "was like WWE Smackdown." Another source told the paper both Douglas and Owens threw at least two punches before Owens challenged quarterback Donovan McNabb and then everyone else in the room, saying "You want some? Anyone else want some?"

The scrap is just another incident in a week of unrest that led to Owens being suspended indefinitely for conduct detrimental to the team on Saturday.

Early in the week, Owens apprised Philadelphia officials that he had sprained his ankle in last Sunday's loss to the Denver Broncos, and might require some time off. One day later, he was back at practice and seemingly prepared to play against the Redskins.

On Thursday, Owens blasted McNabb and the organization in an ESPN.com interview which spurred a Friday meeting with Eagles coach Andy Reid.

On Friday, Mortensen reports, Reid gave Owens three stipulations: Apologize to the organization, the team and to McNabb.

McNabb told ESPN's Suzy Kolber he called a team meeting Friday, which Owens attended, to discuss the team's unrest and pronounced to all, looking at T.O. directly, "You're either with me or against me."

Owens' apologies in private to the club and in public on Friday apparently did not meet Reid's standards and T.O. was suspended on Saturday.

According to the paper, Owens and Douglas have been at odds since training camp where they almost got into an altercation in an elevator at Lehigh University. Douglas was among the few players to publicly say Owens should honor his current contract when T.O. demanded a new one this past offseason.

The Eagles declined to comment about the bout.

In seven games this season, Owens has 47 catches for 763 yards and six touchdowns.

This is the second time Owens has been suspended during his controversial 10-year career. While a 49er in 2000, he was suspended one game by San Francisco coach Steve Mariucci following his touchdown celebrations on the Cowboys' star logo at the center of Texas Stadium.

[CRM114]

I am glad Philadelphia has him and I think they deserve him.

Huh? Are you a Dallas fan? :lol:

[CRM114]

Classic Hugh: "I know there are people in here faking injuries." rotfl

[pedagogue]

Classic Hugh: "I know there are people in here faking injuries." rotfl

Hugh was never one to stay quiet. ;)

They should definately do the 4 game suspension than de-activation....but there could be some legal problems if they do it this way (claiming hugh was prompted to start a problem...etc. I'm not sure if the article posted mentioned that, but I read it in one of the articles)

-p

[LurkerDan]

Hugh was never one to stay quiet. ;)

They should definately do the 4 game suspension than de-activation....but there could be some legal problems if they do it this way (claiming hugh was prompted to start a problem...etc. I'm not sure if the article posted mentioned that, but I read it in one of the articles)

-p
Damn, that peddy, showing off his legal chops. :p

What legal problems could possibly come from deactivating him? Or, as it is now known, Keyshawning him? He has no inherent right to play football. Their only obligation is that they must pay him, or if they can assert breach of contract, attempt to not pay him (which might result in a suit). Maybe that's what you think deactivating means?

I expect a Keyshawning.

[Thrush]

If they Keyshaun him they still have to pay him.

[kevin75]

chris mortensen was saying last night that he expects that T.O. will be a 'rent by the year' player from now on out and won't see any big contracts. :lol:

[brainee]

chris mortensen was saying last night that he expects that T.O. will be a 'rent by the year' player from now on out and won't see any big contracts. :lol:

It would take a really crazy/desperate/stupid team to sign TO to a long-term contract now. You could think that the SF/Garcia thing was an exception, but having problems with Philly/McNabb (who by all accounts and appearances is a great guy to have as a teammate) just leaves no doubt. What QB/coach wants this? Well, there's the Raiders. And an NFC East team might take him just to spite the Eagles (after all, Parcells already took Keyshawn). I think the ideal fit for TO is ... the Arizona Cardinals!!!

[gimmepilotwings]

It would take a really crazy/desperate/stupid team to sign TO to a long-term contract now. You could think that the SF/Garcia thing was an exception, but having problems with Philly/McNabb (who by all accounts and appearances is a great guy to have as a teammate) just leaves no doubt. What QB/coach wants this? Well, there's the Raiders. And an NFC East team might take him just to spite the Eagles (after all, Parcells already took Keyshawn). I think the ideal fit for TO is ... the Arizona Cardinals!!!

Come on, why try to kick us Cardinal fans when we are down. :( Boldin and Fitzgerald are plenty enough at WR.

[countedcrow]

T.O. is done for the year.

www.espn.com

[Deftones]

Come on, why try to kick us Cardinal fans when we are down. :( Boldin and Fitzgerald are plenty enough at WR.

Yeah. I'd much rather have an offensive line, a new quarterback, a few good running backs, a few linebackers....than TO.

[Joeboo835]

Hey TO, have fun in baltimore. I hear Boller might be back next year :)

[devilshalo]

Keep him on the team and just kiss the season goodbye.

However, keep him out on the field running post patterns in double coverage and hang him out there by throwing just outside his reach. ;) That should get McNabb to smile. :lol:

[Y2K Falcon]

http://www.terrellowens.com/photo/data/media/93/1.jpg

[PaperStreetSoapCo]

Owens is gone for the rest of this season:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2216703

[Mordred]

What really sucks about this is that as a Cowboy's fan, I'm always going to hate the Eagles. It was really easy to hate them when TO was on the team. Now my hatred is more nebulous.

[El Scorcho]

I think the Raiders should try to grab him just for the fun of having Moss and TO on the same team. They might have to start using two footballs during each play.

[bigsoos]

Wonder if the Packers would grab TO ;)

[Mr. Cinema]

I think the Falcons is a possibility as well, but I think he belongs on the Raiders.

[Josh H]

If the Raiders end up with him, I'm done rooting for them.

[IDrinkMolson]

How did the Lions keep Sanders from ever playing again? I wish the Eagles would do that to T.O.

[Cusm]

Yes the Raiders need him, and they can give Moss back to us and we will give them their shitty LB back and Troy Williamson.

[Red Dog]

I was about a year off in my wear-out-his-welcome prediction. ;)

[kneijst1]

I'm not sure if they can trade him at the end of the year or not... They might mean picking up his contract extenstion which I'm sure no one in the Eagles organization wants to do. Of course, they'd love to get a draft pick or some other WR for him in exchange.

Either way, good ridance T.O.!!! If only he had the integrity/work ethic of a great receiver like Harrison, he may have been called great one day too.. :)

[brizz]

How did the Lions keep Sanders from ever playing again? I wish the Eagles would do that to T.O.
:confused:

uhm, he retired. and the Lions did everything they could for the next 3 years to get him to come back. It was only his induction to the HoF that finally put it to rest.

[Josh H]

Well, Sanders did have several years left on his contract with the Lions, so he was not able to come out of retirement and play for another team.

That might be what he was getting at.

[grrrah]

If you were a GM, what would you trade for TO?

[chrisih8u]

I dont think the Eagles will be able to trade him. I heard that he has a $5 million roster bonus due in March. I dont know what the salary cap status would be if he were traded. Plus, he would probably bitch big time and threaten to hold out. He might just be cut. Im not sure who would sign him. Maybe Minnesota or Atlanta?

[JaxComet]

Unbeaten with Favre? I guess they would be using him on defense too. :)
Did Dallas even have to punt in that game earlier this year?

[ChiTownAbs, Inc]

good riddence

[IDrinkMolson]

Well, Sanders did have several years left on his contract with the Lions, so he was not able to come out of retirement and play for another team.

That might be what he was getting at.


Yeah, from what I remember, Sanders wanted traded, Lions said no, so Sanders stayed at home. Undeservedly.

Now, TO on the other hand, I would like to see the Eagles hold his contract for the rest of it and make his ass sit.

[Red Dog]

Now, TO on the other hand, I would like to see the Eagles hold his contract for the rest of it and make his ass sit.


Yeah, I'm sure the Eagles are willing to pay him $30M to sit on his ass for the next 5 1/2 years. :lol:

[Bandoman]

Yeah, I'm sure the Eagles are willing to pay him $30M to sit on his ass for the next 5 1/2 years. :lol:

:lol: That's not going to happen. He will, however, sit on his ass for the rest of this year. Apparently there's a clause in his contract that if, due to conduct detrimental to the team, he's suspended for more than 1 game, he loses $1.7 million in salary.

[Demontooth]

I wonder how Keyshawn feels about becoming an adjective for being an asshole

[Ginwen]

Yeah, from what I remember, Sanders wanted traded, Lions said no, so Sanders stayed at home. Undeservedly.

Now, TO on the other hand, I would like to see the Eagles hold his contract for the rest of it and make his ass sit.
That would be dumb. Who the hell is going to spend 30 million dollars just to prove a point.

They'll pay him as little as possible this year, then they won't pick up his option after the season and he'll be a free agent. He'll get signed to a one-year deal, because no one is going to want to take a chance on his cancerous personality for longer.

[Bandoman]

I'm listening to a press conference right now - TO read another insincere-sounding apology. Now Drew Rosenhaus is avoiding all relevant questions and trying to play TO as the victim. He says Terrell wants to play for the Eagles and is wants to go to practice tomorrow. He also says that if the Eagles don't take him back, he will play somewhere else and will be dominant.

He refuses to answer any questions about what happened, what was said in any conversations with the Eagles management or players, and the status of any negotiations. In other words, he's got nothing.

[The Bus]

:lol: That's not going to happen. He will, however, sit on his ass for the rest of this year. Apparently there's a clause in his contract that if, due to conduct detrimental to the team, he's suspended for more than 1 game, he loses $1.7 million in salary.

This might mean that they reinstate him after Sunday. The damage on both sides is done though.

[bralph]

I'm listening to a press conference right now - TO read another insincere-sounding apology. Now Drew Rosenhaus is avoiding all relevant questions and trying to play TO as the victim. He says Terrell wants to play for the Eagles and is wants to go to practice tomorrow. He also says that if the Eagles don't take him back, he will play somewhere else and will be dominant.

He refuses to answer any questions about what happened, what was said in any conversations with the Eagles management or players, and the status of any negotiations. In other words, he's got nothing.

That was hilarious. I'm not an Eagles or TO fan, but listened to it just for the "train wreck" factor. You could clearly hear a reporter ask Rosenhaus "In the last 5 months, besides getting him kicked off the team, what have you done for him?"

Rosenhaus: "Next question..."

rotfl rotfl rotfl

[Demontooth]

That was hilarious. I'm not an Eagles or TO fan, but listened to it just for the "train wreck" factor. You could clearly hear a reporter ask Rosenhaus "In the last 5 months, besides getting him kicked off the team, what have you done for him?"

Rosenhaus: "Next question..."

rotfl rotfl rotfl

That's great

[namrfumot]

I watched the press conference....Rosenhaus and TO are a perfect couple. Both arrogant pricks.

I knew it was going to be a heart felt apology when TO started it off with "OK..here we go"

[RayChuang]

...The phrase "non-mea culpa" mea culpa really applies to Terrell Owens and Drew Rosenhaus. http://webpages.charter.net/connectingzone/disagree/18.gif

[LurkerDan]

I knew it was going to be a heart felt apology when TO started it off with "OK..here we go"
Are you kidding me? That's beautiful! :lol:

[Bandoman]

ESPN (http://espn.go.com/) is reporting that after the "apology" the Eagles reiterated that they don't want T.O. back. He's off the team.

[Brian Shannon]

:goodbye:

[shanester]

ESPN (http://espn.go.com/) is repoting that after the "apology" the Eagles reiterated that they don't want T.O. back. He's off the team.


good for them :thumbsup:

I wouldn't take him back either. This guy's more annoying then an ex girlfreind stalker :johnwoo:

I think he may have premanently damaged his entire career. He'll never get the money he thinks he deserves now after bitching about the $43.7/7 yr deal he signed with the Eagles in '04 :hscratch:

What an asshole!.

[Joe Molotov]

That press conference was hilarious! Here's what I got out of it.

T.O.: "I'm so so sorry (for all that money that I'm about to lose). I just want to play football so that I might personally take the Eagles to the Superbowl, but now the Eagles will never get the opportunity for me to do that for them."

Rosenhaus: "Terrell hasn't done anything wrong. The media is stupid for making Terrell out to be a bad guy. The Eagles are stupid for not accepting his apology. Now, next question....next question...next question...I'm can't really say....next question...I can't speak for them....next question....next question....I hate you all...next question..."

[Bandoman]

The website for the local Philly NBC affiliate is posting reader's haiku (http://www.nbc10.com/slideshow/news/5268987/detail.html?qs=;s=1;p=news;dm=ss;w=400) about the T.O. situation. :lol:

Some samples:

We Gave him our love
He spits in our faces
No T.O. in Team

T.O. is a punk
He cries more than my daughter
Send him to Dallas

You came as savior
danced on the star, wings flapping
where's your Sharpie now?

[gimmepilotwings]

The website for the local Philly NBC affiliate is posting reader's haiku (http://www.nbc10.com/slideshow/news/5268987/detail.html?qs=;s=1;p=news;dm=ss;w=400) about the T.O. situation. :lol:

Some samples:

We Gave him our love
He spits in our faces
No T.O. in Team

T.O. is a punk
He cries more than my daughter
Send him to Dallas

You came as savior
danced on the star, wings flapping
where's your Sharpie now?

The first one is not a haiku. The middle line only has 6 syllables

[MrX]

I was listening to it on the way home and the local sportstalk guys were doing commentary over it while it was happening. I almost had to pull over I was laughing so hard.

Rosenhaus's dodging of every question was great.

[Daryl]

The arrogance on both sides is stunning. An unfortunate pissing match, for no reason - both sides should be embarrassed. The Eagles cut off their nose to spite their face. I hope it was worth missing the playoffs and the lost revenue from hosting playoff games.

My only suggestion for T.O. would be if he really wants the media to leave him alone he should go pull a Michael Pittman and try to run over a pregnant woman or maybe pull a Leonard Little and kill a family while driving drunk. Or maybe become a woman-beater. The media tends to let those things slide.

[Terrell]

I hope it was worth missing the playoffs and the lost revenue from hosting playoff games.

Their dignity, pride, and team probably meant more to them. They did the right thing by sending this low-class bum packing. To hell with TO. The Eagles have nothing to be embarrased about, nor apolozige for.

[LurkerDan]

The arrogance on both sides is stunning. An unfortunate pissing match, for no reason - both sides should be embarrassed. The Eagles cut off their nose to spite their face. I hope it was worth missing the playoffs and the lost revenue from hosting playoff games.
What did the Eagles do wrong? They tried to put up with him longer than many thought they should, and finally gave up. Football, more than just about any other sport, demands a player subvert themselves to the team. That's why coaches can make such a huge impact on the game, because it's less driven by pure talent than many other sports, and more driven by ethic and system. To allow that cancer to remain on your team, on the team that you go to WAR with every week, would hurt them more than it would help them in, probably in the short term and definitely in the long term.

[El Scorcho]

Is there anybody in the country that watches football that is siding with TO right now?

[Daryl]

The Eagles have nothing to be embarrased about, nor apolozige for.
Having your team "ambassador" (whatever that means) walk into the training room and pick a fight with T.O. isn't a wee bit embarrassing? How bout calling a press conference and forcing a player to read an apology you prepared for him - not exactly a class move, either. Not that TO is a saint (although he might be a Saint next year ;)), but to consider the Eagles 100% blameless is funny.

Everything that T.O has done/said is something he also did in San Fran (discredit the QB, coach, and front office; alienate himself from teammates, etc.) - perhaps the Eagles should have done their homework before signing him. They should've known better. You can't put the fox in charge of the henhouse, and then throw a hissy fit when he eats all the chickens.

[spainlinx0]

Is there anybody in the country that watches football that is siding with TO right now?

I wouldn't say I'm with TO, but I certainly have no sympathy for the Eagles. They knew the deal and signed. Don't cry now.

[wildcatlh]

TO is scum.

And it's beyond belief that anyone is actually siding against the Eagles here.

[Terrell]

Having your team "ambassador" (whatever that means) walk into the training room and pick a fight with T.O. isn't a wee bit embarrassing?

From what I've heard, TO picked the fight with a teammate. McNabb stood up and said you're either with me or against me.

How bout calling a press conference and forcing a player to read an apology you prepared for him - not exactly a class move, either.

Philadephia's terms for his return was he had to apologize to the team, the organization, and McNabb. I don't think that was too much to ask, and it certainly wasn't classless after the shit this idiot has pulled. He didn't do it, so they sent his sorry ass packing. Stop trying to make Philadephia out to be the guilty one. Philadelphia didn't put him in this situation. If he had any class, he'd still be on the team with no problem

They should've known better. You can't put the fox in charge of the henhouse, and then throw a hissy fit when he eats all the chickens.

I don't see Philadelphia throwing a hissy fit. Where are you getting all this from? It's Owens whose been throwing the hissy fits, hence why he's at home right now.

[LurkerDan]

Having your team "ambassador" (whatever that means) walk into the training room and pick a fight with T.O. isn't a wee bit embarrassing? How bout calling a press conference and forcing a player to read an apology you prepared for him - not exactly a class move, either. Not that TO is a saint (although he might be a Saint next year ;)), but to consider the Eagles 100% blameless is funny.

Everything that T.O has done/said is something he also did in San Fran (discredit the QB, coach, and front office; alienate himself from teammates, etc.) - perhaps the Eagles should have done their homework before signing him. They should've known better. You can't put the fox in charge of the henhouse, and then throw a hissy fit when he eats all the chickens.
Honestly, you are making huge assumptions. Hugh Douglass may have said something antagonizing, but unless you have more info than I do, I'd hardly say he picked a fight with TO. He called TO out on something that seems to be true, that TO was faking an injury.

And I have never heard that the Eagles wrote the apology, where do you get that? They demanded that he apologize, sure. If they worte it, then you have a good point, especially since they decided that the apology wasn't good enough. But that sure suggests to me that they didn't write it...

I don't consider the Eagles 100% blameless, in that they signed a player they knew could be disruptive. But what that means is that they are to bear some blame if their team performs poorly because of losing him or poor chemistry, not that they deserve ANY blame for his childish actions.

[Patman]

Wasn't Michael Irvin in TO's corner?

[Daryl]

I don't consider the Eagles 100% blameless, in that they signed a player they knew could be disruptive. But what that means is that they are to bear some blame if their team performs poorly because of losing him or poor chemistry, not that they deserve ANY blame for his childish actions.
Nowhere do I say they deserve blame for his actions. All I'm saying is that it's ridiculous to play the innocent victim card with the Eagles. They deserve blame for their part, which was to stoop to his level. That IS classless, IMO. The list of T.O. "crimes" was petty at best (big deal, he "dissed" McNabb in an interview - I can name 3 or 4 WR's in the league who have done the same to their QB this year alone). Yet forcing him to apologize (and then getting pissed because he allegedly didn't read all of it - as reported by ESPN) is bullshit. That's what parents do to 2 year olds. And before you respond well TO was acting like one, they should have risen above it. 2 wrongs don't make a right.

[Demontooth]

Wasn't Michael Irvin in TO's corner?

Michael Irvin is a moran

[Quake1028]

He called TO out on something that seems to be true, that TO was faking an injury.

This isn't a huge assumption? The guy played the Super Bowl when everyone said he could not, and played better than anyone on the field. I highly doubt he was faking an injury. Now, it might have gotten blown out of proportion about how serious it was, but I don't think for a second he was faking it. Love him or hate him, the guy is a gamer.

[ChiTownAbs, Inc]

The look on TO's face is priceless while Rosenhaus is talking to the media.

[fumanstan]

Is an apology to the team that out of the ordinairy? I always thought it was standard faire, and don't consider it dropping down to any type of level in terms of mature actions. I'd say the collection of his actions seem to be more then just "petty," even if the majority have been overblown by the media.

[Joe Molotov]

The look on TO's face is priceless while Rosenhaus is talking to the media.

It seemed so weird that he just stood there while Rosenhaus answered questions. Maybe I just don't know how these things work, but I'd think that if you didn't want to answer questions, you'd just leave and let your agent stay behind to answer them. The fact that he just stood there staring off into space while Rosenhaus answered (or didn't answer) questions that should have been directed at TO seemed odd to me.

[Bill Needle]

It seemed so weird that he just stood there while Rosenhaus answered questions. Maybe I just don't know how these things work, but I'd think that if you didn't want to answer questions, you'd just leave and let your agent stay behind to answer them. The fact that he just stood there staring off into space while Rosenhaus answered (or didn't answer) questions that should have been directed at TO seemed odd to me.
This was likely a Rosenhaus decision after the PR disaster that was the live half-time interview during pre-season.

[Big Quasimodo]

I just watched the TO/Rosenhaus interview in its entirety and if I were the Eagles, I would let TO back tomorrow. Now, as I am not intimately familiar with what rules might be compromised by rescinding the suspension, if there were reprocussions other than media/public opinion, I would uphold the four games as needed.

Seriously. And I completely supported the suspension.

[Chew]

If the Eagles released TO, the Packers would currently have first option to claim him off waivers (over the Texans).
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/scorecard/11/08/truth.rumors.nfl/index.html

With the lack of talented offensive firepower on the Packers, it wouldn't surprise me if they take him. :(

A little ironic: the comment that broke the camels back might end up having TO playing with Favre anyway!

[cdollaz]

That show that Rosenhaus and TO put on yesterday was hilarious. TO was going thru the motions and Rosenhaus was trying to do damage control on a client that just cost himself (and Rosenhaus as well) millions of dollars. HAHAHA!!!!!! TO probably didn't think anyone would ever do what the Eagles have done and is now having an "oh shit" moment, realizing what he has done to his earning power.

[LurkerDan]

I just watched the TO/Rosenhaus interview in its entirety and if I were the Eagles, I would let TO back tomorrow.
Why?

[bigsoos]

I honestly don't think the Eagles are better off without TO. Who's their go-to guy now?

[LurkerDan]

I honestly don't think the Eagles are better off without TO. Who's their go-to guy now?
Of course if you look at it that way, they're not better, they lose a great talent. But as a TEAM, they are better, and for the future, not letting a guy get away with that crap is definitely better in the long run.

[Big Quasimodo]

Why?

Because TO apologized to everyone, in a clear and contrite manner.

But if the Eagles organization, and Andy Reid in particular, feel that they would lose face and/or the respect of their fans and players by allowing Owens back, then they shouldn't waver in the suspension.

But, based on his apology, I would think there is room for forgiveness - if the principal players (Lurie, Reid, McNabb and the other 50) are unanimous.

Then again, there are those that believe that the whole fiasco was orchestrated as a ploy to negotiate a new contract with a new team next year - and that this "apology" was merely window-dressing to pave the way for another team to sign him next season. If I believed that - I would flush him too.

[cdollaz]

Because TO apologized to everyone, in a clear and contrite manner.



Reading, in a monotone tone of voice, a statement that someone wrote for him, is not an apology.

If it's a ploy for a bigger and better contract, he is a fucking idiot because no one is going to give him anything other than a short-term deal from now on. And his signing bonuses are going to decrease a whole lot.

[CRM114]

The only way I'd let TO come back is if he gave a sincere apology yesterday without a written statement, admitted to being an ass, and promised to not bring up his contract again.

[countedcrow]

Why not try to apologize to the individuals in person or by phone? Yeah, he is suspended, but if he is sincere about this why not attempt to do this rather than take it to the press with your slimy agent.

Using his methodology makes the whole thing look selfish and artificial.

[Big Quasimodo]

Reading, in a monotone tone of voice, a statement that someone wrote for him, is not an apology.



That's certainly a valid assessment.

I believe that TO is mentally and emotionally incapable of expressing sincere remorse WITHOUT reading someones prepared statement. Still, the content of the speech he wrote would satisfy me were I the offended party (ies). It was a pretty humbling apology.

[Demontooth]

Next Question!

[Hospitaller]

when the philly sports reporter asked Rosenhaus "What have you done for T.O. other than get him thrown off the team?" I busted out laughing. "Next Question!" haha

[bigsoos]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2218520

The union source said that when the Eagles notified the NFLPA in writing on Saturday, the team simply stated the Owens was being suspended only for the Redskins game.

"You can't then go out and add three more games after the fact," the union official insisted.

But Upshaw said that even if the suspension is upheld, the Eagles can't just tell Owens to stay away from the team and its practice facility.

"We are taking the position that's additional punishment," Upshaw told The Associated Press. "It's not fair to a player not to have an additional chance."

[chrisih8u]

You can't tell Owens to stay away? :confused: Thats gotta be wrong.

[wildcatlh]

That's certainly a valid assessment.

I believe that TO is mentally and emotionally incapable of expressing sincere remorse WITHOUT reading someones prepared statement. Still, the content of the speech he wrote would satisfy me were I the offended party (ies). It was a pretty humbling apology.

No it wasn't. It was an "oh shit, I'm about to lose several million dollars, better say this so I won't" apology. I'm surprised it fooled anyone.

I blame Rosenhaus instead of TO, for the most part. Rosenhaus knew he wasn't getting paid unless TO got a new deal, so he got it in TO's head that he deserved a new contract. TO isn't the most mentally stable football player out there, so with Rosenhaus encouraging him, and nobody telling him to tone it down.. we get what we got.

If he was sincere he would've read this apology last Friday, when it still would've meant something. I think he figured the Eagles were bluffing when they said he'd be off the team if he didn't apologize.

[Big Quasimodo]

No it wasn't. It was an "oh shit, I'm about to lose several million dollars, better say this so I won't" apology. I'm surprised it fooled anyone.

I blame Rosenhaus instead of TO, for the most part. Rosenhaus knew he wasn't getting paid unless TO got a new deal, so he got it in TO's head that he deserved a new contract. TO isn't the most mentally stable football player out there, so with Rosenhaus encouraging him, and nobody telling him to tone it down.. we get what we got.

If he was sincere he would've read this apology last Friday, when it still would've meant something. I think he figured the Eagles were bluffing when they said he'd be off the team if he didn't apologize.

Wrong, he had already lost the several million when he said it.

As I wrote, if he had the capacity to have understood the likely ramifications of his actions, as well as the capacity to construct a satisfactory apology on his own, then I agree we would have seen it Friday. Since he didn't, he needed Rosenhaus to construct his statement and also to kick his ass into reading it. Believe that TO was chagrined and humbled to have to succumb to reading that statement yesterday. In his world, it made him out to be a punk.

Do I think he was sincere? HELL NO! No way he believes he was in the wrong. But the words were humbling, contrite, and apologetic. He laid down and swallowed his (considerable) pride.

[CRM114]

Like I said, T.O. never said anything about knocking off the contract squabbles or the off-field antics. Yeah, he's sorry but he never acknowledged what he needed to do to make it right.

Also, firing Rosenhaus would have helped too.

[Dave99]

That was no apology. You have to mean it (at least a little) for it to count. Just reading some words, not believing any of it, just makes it another slap in the face to the rest of the team.

dave

[wildcatlh]

Good article in the Miami Herald:

Contrition is sincere remorse. We can't be sure that is what Terrell Owens showed Tuesday in his apology-fest of a news conference, or if other motivations drove that sorry-full performance on his suburban New Jersey front lawn.

I'd give Owens a daytime Emmy for his portrayal of true remorse. It marked his finest thespian effort since his turn opposite towel-dropping Nicollette Sheridan in their infamous Monday Night Football skit.

Then I'd vote that other motivations were at play.

Most any parent of a teenager has experienced a similar phenomenon.

Your kid pours you such a cocktail of attitude, irresponsibility and insubordination that finally you get fed up and take his car keys.

After a while, when it sinks in with the prince that you can do that, you get the tardy, obligatory, desperate ''Sincere Apology.'' Is it heartfelt? Sure. In the sense that your kid believes with all his heart that he really wants his car back.

Owens really wants his football back. Along with the nearly $800,000 he's losing while suspended four games by the Philadelphia Eagles.

He also wants to repair his awful image. Not because he cares what you think, but so other teams will see him as a gifted receiver worth the risk of a long-term contract . . . instead of as an aging, unmanageable migraine, the battery acid in your team chemistry.

Miami-based agent Drew Rosenhaus followed Owens to the front-yard lectern Tuesday and said his client hopes to immediately resume his career in Philly, which is roughly as likely to happen as Johnny Unitas coming back from the dead and taking over for Peyton Manning. Coach Andy Reid has made it clear Owens won't suit up even after his suspension ends, presumably before then being traded or released.

One more huge contract before he retires is why Owens apologized to Eagles fans, to Donovan McNabb, to Reid and to team management.

He really was addressing other teams, trying to calm fears. Maybe he also was trying to win back a few Hall of Fame votes he sees slipping away.

''Football is my passion,'' Owens insisted.

''He is sorry,'' summarized Rosenhaus. ``He's a great person.''

A great person. (Cue braying laughter). Forgive Rosenhaus. Being the agent for Owens is, in a football context, like being the personal publicist for Satan.

Rosenhaus was combative Tuesday, ranting, stridently out-shouting questions when not dismissing most with a curt, ''Next question!'' He blames the media for much of Owens' fix. (Coincidentally, Satan's image also may be attributable to bad PR).

Rosenhaus unwittingly did Owens a disservice by sharing the news conference with him. What Owens said -- even if you suspect the motivation and sincerity -- amounted to a pretty direct, unadorned apology.

It should have been allowed to speak for itself, and echo.

That was the best chance for it to have been perceived as real. But then Superagent came on full of cartoon bombast, with all of those ''Next questions!'' seeming evasive and drowning out the simplicity of what his client had said.

Rosenhaus noted Owens has broken no laws -- except, of course, football laws.

Such as the one that states you don't publicly criticize your star quarterback and claim your 4-4 team would be unbeaten if Brett Favre were the QB.

Or the one that says you don't tell your offensive coordinator to not address you.

Or the one that says you don't whine and demand a new contract even though the ink is barely dry on the seven-year, $49 million deal you just agreed to.

Or the one that says you don't tell ESPN.com your club is an ''embarrassment'' and showed a ''lack of class'' by not making a bigger deal of your 100th career TD.

Or the one that says, in word and deed, you make it about the team instead of constantly, selfishly singing me-me-me-me.

These were among the many broken trusts that led the Eagles finally to untether Owens and let him float away to become some other team's risk.

Rosenhaus won't address Owens' future -- including speculation that Miami might be among teams interested in T.O.

Nick Saban's Dolphins have a track record, after all, of dousing a burning bridge so it is passable again. Ricky Williams left Miami in a sudden lurch last year as teammates decried him and fans burned his jersey. Yet here is Williams, back in the same uniform, back in good graces.

A year before that, receiver Keyshawn Johnson seemed like an NFL pariah after Tampa Bay suspended him and then got rid of him after various Terrell-esque, me-first episodes. But Johnson rehabbed his name and has a steady job in Dallas.

Owens -- better than Johnson, as good as any current pass-catcher -- will be playing somewhere next season, no doubt.

It is too much to ask that Owens would receive his comeuppance by hearing 32 teams say ``no thanks.''

Let's at least hope the one in Miami does.


http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/columnists/greg_cote/13119335.htm

[Bill Needle]

when the philly sports reporter asked Rosenhaus "What have you done for T.O. other than get him thrown off the team?" I busted out laughing. "Next Question!" haha
How many times have you wanted to leap across the table and choke T.O. in the last 10 days?

Next question!

[bigsoos]

You can't tell Owens to stay away? :confused: Thats gotta be wrong.
I think you can't suspend a player w/out filing w/ the Players' Association first. They only filed a 1-game suspension. They never filed another one after that.

[wildcatlh]

Frankly, the Eagles don't care about suspension versus inactive. They're apparently happy to pay out his contract for the rest of the year and have him stay away.

[cdollaz]

I bet Gene Upshaw is getting tired of having to come to TO's defense and side with him.

[LurkerDan]

The biggest difference between TO and Keyshawn? Keyshawn had a coach out there who wanted him, who he wanted to play for. Parcells knew what Keyshawn was about, Keyshawn always showed him respect, Parcells knew what he was getting.

TO? Has he really shown respect for anyone? By all accts, Reid is one of the best, but TO showed little respect for him. McNabb, one of the best QB's, TO shows little respect for him. DOes he have a former caoch who wants him? Mooch? :lol:

TO will get someone to take him, he's too good a player, but Keyshawn at least had someone who wanted him, someone he wanted to play for, not sure the same can be said for TO.

[BassDude]

Meh.. He showed me something when he came back from the injury and had a good game in the Superbowl. Let the man play some football.

[Terrell]

Let the dickweed sit at home and stew until he learns to act like a decent human being and a team player.

[namrfumot]

I haven't heard anyone called a dickweed since 3rd grade :)

[BassDude]

I just watched the TO/Rosenhaus interview in its entirety and if I were the Eagles, I would let TO back tomorrow. Now, as I am not intimately familiar with what rules might be compromised by rescinding the suspension, if there were reprocussions other than media/public opinion, I would uphold the four games as needed.

Watch...If this happens I'd bet there'd be some "players union rules state that..." talk to help the Eagles organization save face.

I had the Eagles v Colts is SuperBowl Xtra Large. Now who from the NFC... Hmm...

[raven56706]

The question of "what did you do for Owens, besides getting him kicked off a team?" Next question was pricelesss


i saw this in my room at the Tropicana Casino and i was laughing...... looking at TO then laugh and wink was even more funny

[Terrell]

I haven't heard anyone called a dickweed since 3rd grade

Now you have.

[LurkerDan]

Meh.. He showed me something when he came back from the injury and had a good game in the Superbowl. Let the man play some football.
WHat did he show you? That he's tough, that he's a great player, that when he's on the field he gives it his all? Would agree with those.

But is that the sole measure of whether a guy should be allowed to play?

[PaperStreetSoapCo]

Sure, he's a great player that does his best on the field. But that could be said for any player on any team right now. Players who work their asses off on the field and get beat the hell up, who get little if any attention from the media, and who don't bitch about the amount of money they're making. Just look at defensive and offensive linemen. They probably get less attention than any other position, yet they most likely get beaten up more than anybody else every game. Yet here's a guy whose only job is to catch the football, and he hasn't seemed to have been satisfied for one moment in his entire career.

Sure, the Eagles for now are most likely not better off without Owens. He's their go-to guy on offense. It's impossible to change that around completely in a couple games. But give it time, and the Eagles will undoubtedly be better off without him. Less attention on the team, let alone on just one member of the team, a boost in team morale since they won't have the weekly circus at practice and in the locker room, and strategy that gives every player a much greater role instead of relying solely on a passing offense. Of course, the Eagles have much more to work on, especially on defense. But without the drama that Owens brought to the team, they'll have a hell of a lot more time and a greater focus on improving.

[Bill Needle]

WHat did he show you? That he's tough, that he's a great player, that when he's on the field he gives it his all? Would agree with those.

But is that the sole measure of whether a guy should be allowed to play?
Besides, who should be surprised that the NFL's biggest self promoter showed up for the biggest spectacle on earth?

[Brian Shannon]

Because TO apologized to everyone, in a clear and contrite manner.

Even he can read words printed on a page. I honestly believe the only thing he is sorry for is getting suspended.

[ChiTownAbs, Inc]

Even he can read

shocked.

[BassDude]

WHat did he show you? That he's tough, that he's a great player, that when he's on the field he gives it his all? Would agree with those.

Well...I think what's being called into question is whether he's a team player or not. If he had gotten hit on his leg he could have ended his career. Was he playing for self glory or to help the team win the Superbowl? We'll never know I guess. (But I know what a lot will say.) I dunno...


But is that the sole measure of whether a guy should be allowed to play?

Kinda... I want the best players in the world on the field when I watch. If not, I'd watch college ball. :)

[kneijst1]

Steven A. Smith said it best last night on his show. T.O. MUST fire his agent, that assclown that has pretty much been responsible for the even worse than normal TO behavior this year. Not that TO doesnt deserve most of the blame, but I have a feeling that moron of an agent Rosenhaus (sp?) wrote that whole b.s. speech given by Owens.

[bigsoos]

I think TO will fire his agent this summer. Best bet for him to get picked up again quickly.

[LurkerDan]

Ralph Nader is an idiot:
Ralph Nader, onetime presidential candidate and consumer advocate, has asked Eagles CEO Jeffrey Lurie and NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue to reconsider Terrell Owens' suspension.
In a letter to the football officials dated Nov. 10, Nader called Owens' comments boorish, but defended the receiver's right to speak.

"If the Eagles management declines to remedy its mistake, commissioner Tagliabue, you should intervene to overturn the team's decision, which dishonors this country's traditional respect for free speech and cheats fans of an opportunity to see arguably the best receiver in football.

"Let him play."

Nader signed the letter as founder of League of Fans, which he describes as a sports reform project.

"Fans have purchased tickets for Eagles' games, in Philadelphia and elsewhere, on the assumption that they will see one of the game's most exciting receivers, so long as he is healthy enough to play. The Eagles' action denies them this opportunity."

[chrisih8u]

Well, thats dumb. So according to Nader, nobody should ever be suspended for any reason?

[Flashback]

Well, thats dumb. So according to Nader, nobody should ever be suspended for any reason?

Not nobody, just stars or ones that sell tickets. What a tool.

[LurkerDan]

Well, thats dumb. So according to Nader, nobody should ever be suspended for any reason?
Exactly, fans buy tickets and they should decide who plays! :lol: Maybe Ralph thinks fans should get to decide what plays the offense calls too.

[LurkerDan]

I used to have some respect for him, too...

[chrisih8u]

Exactly, fans buy tickets and they should decide who plays! :lol: Maybe Ralph thinks fans should get to decide what plays the offense calls too.

I wonder if it works the other way. What if everyone in Foxboro bought tickets for last Monday's game assuming Peyton Manning would be suspended? :lol:

[Mad Dawg]

Is it just me, or did the "League of Fans" pick a really poor issue to lead with? I haven't exactly seen or heard an overwhelming chorus of angry TO supporters out there demanding his reinstatement. Isn't this like a "League of Students" reminding teachers to assign homework?

[Josh H]

Is it just me, or did the "League of Fans" pick a really poor issue to lead with? I haven't exactly seen or heard an overwhelming chorus of angry TO supporters out there demanding his reinstatement. Isn't this like a "League of Students" reminding teachers to assign homework?

No shit. I think most fans would be more supportive of an argument for all owners to boycott TO and not let him back in the league, period.

[Quake1028]

Roger Cossack was on Mike and Mike a bit ago, and he seems to think that Gene Upshaw has a strong case. At this point, I wouldn't be shocked at all if the arbitrator forces the Eagles to cut TO after the suspension is over, and he gets picked up by another team.

[cdollaz]

Roger Cossack was on Mike and Mike a bit ago, and he seems to think that Gene Upshaw has a strong case. At this point, I wouldn't be shocked at all if the arbitrator forces the Eagles to cut TO after the suspension is over, and he gets picked up by another team.

I wouldn't see how they can force them to cut him. He is the Eagles player and if they decide to inactivate him or give a DNP-CD, it's entirely up to them. As long as they pay him they shouldn't have to do anything else. I actually think it would be funny if they did not inactivate him, but made him stand on the sidelines and watch everyone else play every week.

[Quake1028]

I wouldn't see how they can force them to cut him. He is the Eagles player and if they decide to inactivate him or give a DNP-CD, it's entirely up to them. As long as they pay him they shouldn't have to do anything else. I actually think it would be funny if they did not inactivate him, but made him stand on the sidelines and watch everyone else play every week.

Basically the reasoning is this:

-4 games is the MAX allowed under the CBA for conduct detrimental to the team.
-Deactivating was never intended as a punishment, and the union feels that adding this onto the suspension is going way above and beyond what the rule allows.
-They are not allowing him to play this year, and by doing so may be hurting his earning power for next year and beyond.

Roger Cossack seems to think they have a case, and Gene Upshaw says they are going to fight it to the end. Could be interesting.

[Chew]

I've lost track. He has been suspended for four games with how many served so far?

[Quake1028]

I've lost track. He has been suspended for four games with how many served so far?

One. Actually he was originally suspended for one game, then it went to four, then added the de-activation on top of that. That's probably where the Eagles screwed up.

[Chew]

Interesting. If the Eagles are forced to cut TO, the Packers would currently have first waiver-wire crack at him. The very last game of that four game suspension? Eagles vs. Packers.

Good timing for them. :lol:

[cdollaz]

Fine, then do not inactivate him. Keep him active, make him dress out and stand on the sideline, and then just do not put him the whole game. That may be the best punishment anyway. The union nor anyone else can force the coach to play certain players.

[Quake1028]

Fine, then do not inactivate him. Keep him active, make him dress out and stand on the sideline, and then just do not put him the whole game. That may be the best punishment anyway. The union nor anyone else can force the coach to play certain players.

Which would mean he would still be in the locker room, which is the whole reason they de-activated him in the first place.

[cdollaz]

Which would mean he would still be in the locker room, which is the whole reason they de-activated him in the first place.

Then all of the linemen just need to beat his ass up or give him a soap party.

[bralph]

Interesting. If the Eagles are forced to cut TO, the Packers would currently have first waiver-wire crack at him. The very last game of that four game suspension? Eagles vs. Packers.

Good timing for them. :lol:

That would be extra-awesome :lol:

I have no love for TO, and don't necessarily want him as a part of the Packers, but I would love love love to see that circus take place.

[wildcatlh]

This is getting even more fun... now Jesse Jackson is in on it.

http://www.nbc10.com/sports/5286716/detail.html

esse Jackson Gets Involved In Owens Case
Add the Rev. Jesse Jackson to the list of famous people who want to get involved in Terrell Owens' suspension from the Eagles.

ackson has joined another former presidential candidate, Ralph Nader, in calling for the NFL to let Owens rejoin the Eagles or release him from his contract.

"This punishment is much too severe for the charge," Jackson said. "If (Owens) had been caught shaving points, selling drugs, carrying a gun or fighting some fans, who provoked him, and he had not shown sufficient restraint, we could understand the severe suspension."

"If the Philadelphia Eagles' owners do not find his apology acceptable and no longer aim to maintain an association with him, they should release him to the open market or free agency," Jackson added.

The Philadelphia Inquirer also reports Jackson spoke with Owens on the phone this week, and he's trying to contact Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb and owner Jeffrey Lurie.

This summer, talk show host Rush Limbaugh also offered to mediate the ongoing dispute between Owens and the team over his behavior and public comments.

Jackson's involvement could put more focus on this Friday's arbitration hearing. If the arbitrator rules in favor of the Eagles, both Nader and Jackson could pursue the case, along with the NFL players' union.

Owens No-Shows For Radio Program

Owens said nothing on his weekly radio show Friday afternoon, much to the relief of many Birds fans.

Owens was signed by 790 The Ticket, a Miami sports-talk show, for a 15 minute interview segment this season that is also carried in Philadelphia on 610 WIP.

Host Dan Le Batard said Owens was asked by the players' union to skip the show this week, but Owens would spend twice as much time on the radio next Friday, the day of his grievance hearing.

In the past, Owens has used the radio show as a platform to explain his behavior and criticize other players and teammates.

However, Le Batard in Miami had former Cowboys receiver Michael Irvin in Owens spot. It has been Irvin who has acted in the past few weeks as Owens' outlet to the media.

"He's remorseful of this situation," Irvin said of Owens.

"Certainly T.O. has done wrong," Irvin said. "(But) what they are trying to do is take $3 million from him for parking his car in a handicapped spot."

Irvin also laid much of the blame for the Eagles performance on Donovan McNabb, not Owens.

But Irvin said Owens' comments last week crossed the line.

"You can't go after your quarterback," Irvin said. "You don’t mess with the quarterback and you don't mess with the head coach."

Hearing Next Friday

In the showdown next Friday in Terrell Owens' grievance hearing, NBC 10 has learned some reasons the Eagles will say they had to suspend receiver Terrell Owens.

Apparently, the Eagles have kept a file on T.O. and here are some of the alleged incidents expected to be in that file, which NBC 10 reported on Thursday night:

#
# Owens told the team he would not give his full effort
# Owens parked his car in designated spaces for coaches
# Owens parked his car in a handicapped spot
# Owens was late for a mandatory meeting
Owens did not comply with the team dress code on the road

Those reasons are in addition to the widely reported incidents at Eagles training camp this summer and multiple incidents last week that got Owens in hot water.

In other Friday news about Owens, he was spotted in Atlanta last night at an NBA game. One possible reason he was in town is that he's now selling his large home in Atlanta, in addition to his mansion in Moorestown, N.J.

And Knight Ridder reports there is serious backlash at Owens' agent, Drew Rosenhaus - from his fellow sports agents.

Several agents interviewed by reporter Paul Domowitch said the rest of the agents who represent NFL players are "nauseated" at Rosenhaus.

And two sources told Knight Ridder that some of Rosenhaus' current NFL player-clients are looking to dump Rosenhaus after his performance at Wednesday's press conference, where he took the spotlight away from Owens.

Nader Gets Involved

Could the Terrell Owens situation be heading to a courtroom as a free-speech case?

That seems unlikely, but consumer advocate Ralph Nader is now involved in the fued between Owens and the Eagles.

Nader wants the Eagles and the NFL to drop the Owens suspension, which he says "dishonors this country's traditional respect for free speech."

Adds Nader: "There is, as well, a consumer issue at stake here. Fans have purchased tickets for Eagles' games, in Philadelphia and elsewhere, on the assumption that they will see one of the game's most exciting receivers, so long as he is healthy enough to play. The Eagles' action denies them this opportunity."

The Nader letter raises the specter that an outside entity could sue the league or the Eagles, and push the Owens saga past Nov. 18, when a league arbitrator will decide what happens to T.O.

And as far-fetched as it sounds, we could see Owens, the Eagles, the NFL, Nader and a host of lawyers in court, arguing that T.O. is a free-speech victim, and not just a troublesome employee, depending on the outcome of next Friday's grievance hearing.

T.O. Guests On 'Punk'd This Sunday

In an ironic piece of timing, Terrell Owens is the guest this Sunday on MTV's 'Punk'd,' where Ashton Kutcher and friends pull a mean prank on Owens.

Jackson's statement:

"Terrell Owens did an interview last week and engaged in some unsportsmanlike speech, deemed detrimental to the team, but nonetheless free speech. He expressed some dissatisfaction with his contract, his team and the Eagles' organization, which should have been expressed in a more professional manner. The Eagles have suspended T.O. for four games without pay and have decided to deactivate him for the rest of the year. His future in the National Football League is uncertain, thus potentially ending his career at its heights.

"This punishment is much too severe for the charge. If he had been caught shaving points, selling drugs, carrying a gun or fighting some fans, who provoked him, and he had not shown sufficient restraint, we could understand the severe suspension, because those are very serious and illegal acts. Unfortunately for T.O., who belatedly apologized 3 days after the infraction, the real question is do his comments warrant a penalty this severe?

"The answer is no. This does not warrant a 1-year ban from the game. The NFL Players Association has taken a position that the punishment does not correspond with the infraction and the association wants the Eagles to cut T.O. if they are not going to reinstate him. I agree. T.O. has publicly apologized. His heart is contrite. If the Philadelphia Eagles' owners do not find his apology acceptable and no longer aim to maintain an association with him, they should release him to the open market or free agency, allowing him to test the free market for his services. I call for fairness in this dispute."

[Mad Dawg]

From this day forward, any major political figure who misrepresents what "free speech" in this country means should be forced to have the First Amendment tattooed on their forehead. If the term meant what Jackson implies, he'd be out of the business of ruining people and companies who don't share his views.

[Edge]

I don't like Rosenhaus but some of what he said is right. T.O. is getting criticized and punished more than players who have committed crimes and broken NFL rules. So T.O. is being an ass... it seems like people are making a bigger deal about this than NFL players who have dealt drugs, committed murder, beaten their wives/girlfriends, taken steroids, and the list goes on.

[monkeyboy]

I say good for the Eagles. It sounds like he's a pretty big distraction and for a lot of the reasons listed above, I wouldn't want him in my locker room either. Wasn't he just in a scuffle the other week? I do agree with Jackson though in that the Eagles should put him on the market. Not to do him any favors, but to get someone on their team who can help them win. Owens riding the couch for the rest of the year is bad for everyone. I'd want him gone. Trade him for another player and a draft pick or two. You know there are teams out there talking to that jackass Rosenhaus right now.

[Quake1028]

I say good for the Eagles. It sounds like he's a pretty big distraction and for a lot of the reasons listed above, I wouldn't want him in my locker room either. Wasn't he just in a scuffle the other week? I do agree with Jackson though in that the Eagles should put him on the market. Not to do him any favors, but to get someone on their team who can help them win. Owens riding the couch for the rest of the year is bad for everyone. I'd want him gone. Trade him for another player and a draft pick or two. You know there are teams out there talking to that jackass Rosenhaus right now.

Pretty sure the trade deadline has passed, hasn't it?

[Brian Shannon]

Pretty sure the trade deadline has passed, hasn't it?

Yes it has and there is no benefit to the Eagles to trade him.

Since he is such a fabulous personality he should be happy just sitting at home alone.

[Aphex Twin]

He might go to Miami:

3. Wondering where former Sacramento Kings summer-league invite and surprise Atlanta Hawks fan (see above photo) Terrell Owens will play next? It's just a rumor at this stage, but I hear the Heat are interested.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dailydime-051112-13

[wildcatlh]

There's a rumor now floating around that the Eagles and TO are going to reach a financial settlement, TO agrees to go away for the rest of the season, the Eagles release him in March, and the arbitration goes away, and TO fires Rosenhaus (since at this point Rosenhaus does nothing but hurt TO's signability)

[Canadian Bacon]

This is getting even more fun... now Jesse Jackson is in on it.

http://www.nbc10.com/sports/5286716/detail.html

:rolleyes:
typical, no matter that TO is a total loser who brought all the crap on himself

[chrisih8u]

So it appears his suspension is getting reduced, which means he will be immediatley reinstated to the Ealges. If he is released, it goes by waiver priority. I assume that whatver team claims him would be on the hook for his remaining contract. Is that right?

[chrisih8u]

Wow, looks like Newsday got it all wrong. The arbitrator ruled in favor of the Eagles. He will serve the 4 game suspension and then be deactivated for the rest of the season.

[Josh H]

Wow, looks like Newsday got it all wrong. The arbitrator ruled in favor of the Eagles. He will serve the 4 game suspension and then be deactivated for the rest of the season.

:banana:

[raven56706]

wow and all just for answering a question honestly...

[WallyOPD]

It was for way more than just that one interview.

[Bill Geiger]

http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/nfl/2005/1107/photo/a_owens_372.jpg

[RyoHazuki]

wow and all just for answering a question honestly...
rotfl

[IDrinkMolson]

I'm an Eagles fan and thought this was funny...


CAMPBELL'S ANNOUNCES CHUNKY SOUP RECALL

Philadelphia, PA (AP) Executives from the Campbell Soup Company, headquartered in nearby Camden, NJ, have announced a nationwide recall of all of it's Chunky Soup products, following the nationally televised choking episode experienced by it's national spokesman, Donovan McNabb, last evening on Monday Night Football. A company spokesman announced the rcall shortly after McNabb, the quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles, threw his third rally killing interception in as many weeks. Mr. McNabb has a recent history of bulemic episodes, beginning with the most recent Super Bowl in which he experienced difficulty executing the offense in the waning minutes of the game, thus costing his team a chance at winning the big game. Side effects also seem to include blurred vision and an inability to see defensive backs standing directly in the path of the throw. The company is sending samples of it's Chunky product to the Center for Disease Control in Atlanta, GA, to insure that these symptoms are exclusive to Mr. McNabb.



In a related development, LA Weight Loss Centers has decided to terminate it's agreement with it's local spokesman, Mr. Andy Reid, fearing that it's products and weight loss regimen may be seen as causing brain freeze, disorientation, and confusion at critical junctions of the business day.



Mr. Reid has, for some time, exhibited curious decision making skills, including his seeming belief that a sound run game is completely unnecessary in modern football. The company had no further comment at this time.

[LurkerDan]

Poor TO, he was "used" by the Eagles. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2260956

:lol: