2005 NFL Regular Season Week 9

[LorenzoL]

<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="10"><b>WEEK 9</b></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="7"><b>Sunday, November 9, 2005</b></td></tr><tr class="colhead"><td>TEAMS</td><td>TIME (ET)</td><td>TV</td><td>LOCATION</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>Carolina at Tampa Bay</td><td>1:00 PM</td><td>FOX</td><td>Raymond James Stadium</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Houston at Jacksonville</td><td>1:00 PM</td><td>CBS</td><td>ALLTEL Stadium</td></tr></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>Atlanta at Miami</td><td>1:00 PM</td><td>FOX</td><td>Pro Player Stadium</td></tr></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Cincinnati at Baltimore</td><td>1:00 PM</td><td>CBS</td><td>M&T Bank Stadium</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>Detroit at Minnesota</td><td>1:00 PM</td><td>FOX</td><td>Metrodome</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>San Diego at NY Jets</td><td>1:00 PM</td><td>CBS</td><td>Giants Stadium</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>Tennessee at Cleveland</td><td>1:00 PM</td><td>CBS</td><td>Cleveland Browns Stadium</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Oakland at Kansas City</td><td>1:00 PM</td><td>CBS</td><td>Arrowhead Stadium</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>Seattle at Arizona</td><td>4:05 PM</td><td>FOX</td><td>Sun Devil Stadium</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Chicago at New Orleans</td><td>4:05 PM</td><td>FOX</td><td>Tiger Stadium</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>NY Giants at San Francisco</td><td>4:05 PM</td><td>FOX</td><td>Monster Park</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Pittsburgh at Green Bay</td><td>4:15 PM</td><td>CBS</td><td>Lambeau Field</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>Philadelphia at Washington</td><td>8:30 PM</td><td>ESPN</td><td>Fed Ex Field</td></tr></table>

<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="7"><b>Monday, November 7, 2005</b></td></tr><tr class="colhead"><td>TEAMS</td><td>TIME (ET)</td><td>TV</td><td>LOCATION</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>Indianapolis at New England</td><td>9:00 PM</td><td>ABC</td><td>Gillette Stadium</td></tr></table>

Teams on Bye
Buffalo, Dallas, Denver, St. Louis

[Red Dog]

Sirius NFL Radio reporting that TO will be listed as doubtful and is unlikely to play Sunday vs the Skins.

Works for me.

[chrisih8u]

Indy is favored by 3. They have a real good shot at finally winning at Gillette.

[dick_grayson]

Why do I keep hearing that the Skins game will be on DC20 instead of ESPN? Is it some local blackout thing?

[Red Dog]

Why do I keep hearing that the Skins game will be on DC20 instead of ESPN? Is it some local blackout thing?


It should be on both.

If you have HD, HD coverage only on ESPN-HD.

[dick_grayson]

It should be on both.

If you have HD, HD coverage only on ESPN-HD.


It's still strange since I don't ever remember a Skins game being on DC20. Why do they all of a sudden have the rights to this game?

[Red Dog]

It's still strange since I don't ever remember a Skins game being on DC20. Why do they all of a sudden have the rights to this game?


When the Skins play a Sunday Night game, one of the local broadcast affiliates will also carry the game (since not everyone has cable/sat). I believe that usually ABC7 does it, but now that Sunday night is a big ratings night for ABC, they probably declined, so UPN20 stepped in.

[dick_grayson]

When the Skins play a Sunday Night game, one of the local broadcast affiliates will also carry the game (since not everyone has cable/sat). I believe that usually ABC7 does it, but now that Sunday night is a big ratings night for ABC, they probably declined, so UPN20 stepped in.


gotcha. thanks

[kakihara1]

Indy is favored by 3. They have a real good shot at finally winning at Gillette.

I think they have a real good shot at absolutely slaughtering the Pats, and it's about time........I've been waiting for this for a long long time.

[Rockmjd23]

I think they have a real good shot at absolutely slaughtering the Pats, and it's about time........I've been waiting for this for a long long time.
Only matters if it happens in the postseason, though. ;)

[Red Dog]

Only matters if it happens in the postseason, though. ;)


Perhaps, but a Indy win here would be a big big confidence builder toward a potential January meeting.

This matchup reminds me of when the '91 Skins were 7-0 and rolled into Giants Stadium to take on the defending champ and 4-3 Giants. The Giants had won 6 straight over the Skins. Giants jumped out to a 13-0 HT lead but the Skins came back and won 17-13. Huge emotional hurdle for them - they were a juggernaut the rest of the season.

[dick_grayson]

so many shit games this week. I am catching up in my straight-up pool, having gone 11-3 last week. I'm stuck this week between a few key games, one being whether the Skins will even show up this week. They've played well at home, but they'll be a ton of Philly fans at Fedex, so who knows if that'll even come into play.

I guess it's not a good idea to pick Minn, Houston (who won, I believe, their only game of the season) or GB for the rest of the season. Chicago at NO bothers me some (guess I'll go with Chi). Oak at KC is iffy as well.

Here are my picks. Feel free to comment on any or all games:

SD CAR CLE JAC KC CIN ATL DET CHI NYG SEA PIT PHI IND

[Kaiser Soze]

so many shit games this week. I am catching up in my straight-up pool, having gone 11-3 last week. I'm stuck this week between a few key games, one being whether the Skins will even show up this week. They've played well at home, but they'll be a ton of Philly fans at Fedex, so who knows if that'll even come into play.

I guess it's not a good idea to pick Minn, Houston (who won, I believe, their only game of the season) or GB for the rest of the season. Chicago at NO bothers me some (guess I'll go with Chi). Oak at KC is iffy as well.

Here are my picks. Feel free to comment on any or all games:

SD CAR CLE JAC KC CIN ATL DET CHI NYG SEA PIT PHI IND

That's quite a few road teams you've picked. I can't see that many road teams winning this week. It is a tough week to pick though.

[shizawn]

Chargers should win easily. Hopefully they do. It'll be nice to get a little revenge from last year's losses.

[dick_grayson]

That's quite a few road teams you've picked. I can't see that many road teams winning this week. It is a tough week to pick though.


I know. I'm going to have to change a few to home teams, I imagine. I'm waiting for Mel Kiper to make his picks on Tony Kornheiser's radio show. He's been dead on and has good insight. As it stands, I don't feel comfortable picking all those road teams. Perhaps one of the switches will be to the skins....although even with Owens [possibly] gone, I don't feel to sure about them.

[BKenn01]

Heres to another Packer loss. This week Pittsburgh at Greenbay.

Go STEELERS!

[Quake1028]

I only have 2 home teams winning this week also: Jacksonville and KC. I am 50/50 on New England, but other than that, no other home team has a shot IMO. This is a week where all the shitty teams are at home and should be thrashed.

[Kaiser Soze]

I only have 2 home teams winning this week also: Jacksonville and KC. I am 50/50 on New England, but other than that, no other home team has a shot IMO. This is a week where all the shitty teams are at home and should be thrashed.

Agreed. But 10 or 11 road teams will not win this week. More like 7...maybe 8 tops. It just never happens. Home field is so much more important in the NFL than in any other sport.

[Kaiser Soze]

Heres to another Packer loss. This week Pittsburgh at Greenbay.

Go STEELERS!

I actually like Green Bay this week. My upset pick of the week. ;)

[raven56706]

I actually like Green Bay this week. My upset pick of the week. ;)


or your going to be upset this week when the packers lose ;)

[dick_grayson]

That's quite a few road teams you've picked. I can't see that many road teams winning this week. It is a tough week to pick though.


I'm now thinking of switching to the Redskins, Minn., and Tenn (all home teams). The Skins HAVE to win this week and Philly with a shit defense, hurt McNabb, and possibly out Owens, the Skins (assuming they revert to their old selves) should win the game. Tenn based on the fact that they've got more playmakers (all this according to Mel Kiper) and Minn since Detroit really is that bad. It's still a toss up between all these three, so it's not a comfortable decision. Still must do more research....

[wildcatlh]

When the Skins play a Sunday Night game, one of the local broadcast affiliates will also carry the game (since not everyone has cable/sat). I believe that usually ABC7 does it, but now that Sunday night is a big ratings night for ABC, they probably declined, so UPN20 stepped in.

To expand a bit, ESPN almost always offers the Sunday night game to local channels in the two teams' home cities. ABC (and any local station owned by the local ABC) gets first crack, and then the rest can take it if they like. Usually nobody picks it up, although I guess in DC they do.

[Kaiser Soze]

or your going to be upset this week when the packers lose ;)

Even with no Big Ben? I like Green Bay's chances even more now.

[Red Dog]

Even with no Big Ben? I like Green Bay's chances even more now.


At least Tommy Maddox isn't starting. ;)

[SpringsGal]

I'm now thinking of switching to the Redskins, Minn., and Tenn (all home teams). The Skins HAVE to win this week and Philly with a shit defense, hurt McNabb, and possibly out Owens, the Skins (assuming they revert to their old selves) should win the game. Tenn based on the fact that they've got more playmakers (all this according to Mel Kiper) and Minn since Detroit really is that bad. It's still a toss up between all these three, so it's not a comfortable decision. Still must do more research....

I also need a good week in my pool to catch up with the leaders. Here is what I am leaning towards in this week's games (first I will post the games I agree with you on and then in the end the games I disagree with). Let me know your thoughts.

SD, JAX, KC, ATL, CHI, NYG, SEA, CINCI (all games I agee with you)

TENN and MINN (I like these picks also. And you went with these picks also in your latest post).

CAR vs TB: I am leaning towards Tampa in this game. Tampa is coming off a horrible game. I am thinking that they will be pumped up for this game at home against a division rival. Still, Tampa is shaky at QB and Carolina is good against the run. All statistics point towards a Carolina win. But I have a gut feeling that Tampa is going to find a way to win this game. Just a hunch (and not really based on research data).

Pitt vs GB: No Big Ben. Charlie Batch starting on the road. GB is decent in stopping the run. I cannot see Charlie Batch beating Brett Favre on Lambeau Field. Also, Pitt has got a so-so record in games after MNF. I think GB has a good chance of pulling an upset.

Phil vs Wash: Eagles are a Jekyll and Hyde team. Two weeks back they stop Tomlinson cold. And last week they allow 2 100 yard rushers. Eagles will finally commit to running the ball this week and I think that will help out McNabb. I like the Eagles.

Indy vs NE: Indy has played a cupcake schedule so far. The only decent team that they have beaten is Jax and that was a squeaker at home. This is their first test. But the game is outdoors on grass on the road. I still like NE at home (even though they are considerably worse than last week because of all the injuries).

I am picking 8 road teams (SD, ATL, CHIC, NYG, SEA, TENN, CINCI, PHIL) and 6 Home teams (JAX, KC, Tampa, Minn, GB and NE).

If I have it right, you have 10 road teams winning. I can see that happen. It would not surprise me if 12 road teams win this week.

[raven56706]

Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger's knee injury is serious enough to keep him out of Sunday's game against Green Bay. His doctors don't want him to play, and the coaches agree. The only one who doesn't agree is Roethlisberger.
-- Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

After suffering a sprained ankle, Terrell Owens probably will miss Sunday's game. There are reports he's said he'll be out longer.
-- Philadelphia Inquirer

Speaking on a conference call with New York reporters yesterday, Drew Brees put the Chargers on notice to make a long-term commitment to him or let him go somewhere else. The Jets would be waiting with open arms.
-- Newsday

Eagles president Joe Banner and agent Fletcher Smith, who represents Brian Westbrook, are still having discussions about a long-term contract extension for the running back. The sides are trying to strike a deal before Monday's deadline that allows teams to count signing bonuses against this year's salary cap.
-- Philadelphia Inquirer

Larry Johnson hasn't had one of his patented outbursts of unhappiness this season, but don't for a minute confuse that with contentment. Johnson indicated Wednesday that he's still angling for what he perceives would be a better opportunity somewhere else. Ironically, his words came as it appeared that he would play more in the Chiefs' game Sunday against Oakland at Arrowhead Stadium.
-- Kansas City Star

The Dolphins continue to have talks with agent Leigh Steinberg about a revised contract for running back Ricky Williams, although the talks aren't very close to a resolution.
-- Miami Herald

Former Vikings quarterback Jeff George has been on the phone, indicating a strong interest in rejoining the team as a backup quarterback.
-- Minneapolis Star Tribune

With his team mired at 3-5 at the NFL season's halfway mark, Buffalo Bills coach Mike Mularkey left the door open Wednesday for starting J.P. Losman over Kelly Holcomb at quarterback when his team resumes play against the Kansas City Chiefs on Nov. 13.
-- Democrat and Chronicle

Jeff Garcia, hobbling on the left leg he injured nearly nine weeks ago, didn't practice Wednesday. Today's practice will be important because Garcia said Monday he needed to practice by Thursday to start Sunday at Minnesota.
-- Detroit Free Press

The Packers canceled quarterback Brett Favre's weekly gathering with the media after a reporter's cell phone rang during coach Mike Sherman's noon news conference. About 15 minutes into it, an agitated Sherman broke off the question-and-answer session in mid-sentence when the phone began to ring. It was at least the third time that a phone had gone off during one of Sherman's news conferences this season.
-- Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel

In the first test of Romeo Crennel as disciplinarian, the Browns' coach said he would take a fatherly approach to running back Reuben Droughns' DUI arrest. Droughns could be the team's only healthy halfback Sunday against Tennessee.
-- Cleveland Plain-Dealer

Romeo Crennel will stick with Trent Dilfer at quarterback, but he'll try to boost the offense by using Braylon Edwards more. Crennel promoted Edwards this week from third receiver to a rotation with Dennis Northcutt as the No. 2 receiver. On some series, Northcutt will be paired with Antonio Bryant in two-receiver sets and on others it will be Edwards.
-- Cleveland Plain-Dealer

For all the attention Mark Bradley's season-ending knee injury has focused on the Bears' need for a solid No. 2 receiving option, the No. 1 option would like a little more himself. "No," Muhsin Muhammad said, flashing a sly smile. "Me?" That sarcasm is about the extent of the frustration Muhammad has allowed publicly about the numerous times he and quarterback Kyle Orton have failed to connect on open routes.
-- Chicago Tribune

Bears running back Thomas Jones was fitted for a protective flak jacket Wednesday but sat out practice to rest his bruised ribs. The league's No. 6 rusher with 713 yards, Jones is probable for the Bears' game against the New Orleans Saints and no longer is listed with a knee sprain on the injury report. Coach Lovie Smith said Jones likely will return to the field today.
-- Chicago Sun-Times

The Cardinals' quarterback carousel turned again on Wednesday. Kurt Warner was named the starter for Sunday's home game against Seattle, resuming the role he held from training camp until injuring his groin in Week 3. It's the sixth time coach Dennis Green has changed starters in 15 games, dating to Week 10 of last season.
-- Arizona Republic

The Jets floundering at 2-5, Vinny Testaverde said yesterday he's noticed a distinct difference in the demeanor of Herman Edwards. "His mindset and attitude has changed a little bit," Testaverde said. "It's more business-like, workman-like attitude, no-nonsense. I noticed it after the Atlanta game."
-- New York Post

The Atlanta Falcons offensive line has a unique policy that prohibits more than one member at a time from speaking to the media. When the issue came up Wednesday during Coach Jim Mora's news conference, the coach not only defended the policy but said allowing linemen to talk in the past may have adversely affected team chemistry and the franchise's inability to post consecutive winning seasons.
-- Atlanta Journal-Constitution

If quarterback Chris Simms struggles again this week against the Carolina Panthers, chances are slim newly acquired Tim Rattay will make an appearance for the Bucs. Coach Jon Gruden said Wednesday that Luke McCown remains the No. 2 quarterback, meaning Rattay is likely to be the inactive emergency quarterback.
-- St. Petersburg Times

It appears as if Eagles veteran David Akers will return to handle field goals against the Washington Redskins on Sunday. Akers has missed the last four games with a torn right hamstring.
-- Philadelphia Inquirer

Coach Norv Turner and some television analysts implied that Shane Lechler was "outkicking'' the Raiders' punt coverage, thus opening up some big returns in Tennessee. Turner said the team needs to assess its punting approach and consider directing the punt more carefully. Lechler has a different point of view. "The people on TV said something about outkicking your coverage. If you're outkicking your coverage, you hit it 70 (yards)," he said. "When I hit that ball 57 (yards) with a 5.2 (seconds) hang time, that's an ideal kick."
-- San Francisco Chronicle

In training camp, Broncos star Champ Bailey was looking forward to having an increased role on offense. Now, the Pro Bowl cornerback simply wants to be healthy. Contributing on defense -- relatively pain-free -- is all Bailey is looking for in the second half of the season.
-- Denver Post

Kris Jenkins wants a poll and now he has one. The Carolina Panthers defensive tackle is out for the season with a knee injury, but he brought up a pet peeve to reporters Wednesday. "You all need to do a poll and ask the fans, do they like the pregame music?'' Jenkins said. Jenkins certainly doesn't like the music that's played over the Bank of America Stadium loudspeakers before home games. Jenkins said he and other players have been asking for more lively warm-up music for several years, but have been told the current tunes are what fans like.
-- Charlotte Observer

[Chew]

Another small factor in Green Bay's favor: they cut Joey "I've lost 3-4 games for my team" Thomas yesterday.


OK, not completely on his own. But he was responsible for quite a few plays that either resulted in TDs or momentum swings. The combined points they have lost by in their last 5 losses is 16 points.

Hey, I gotta have something to cling to. :sad:

[raven56706]

Do you think they should allow Aaron Rodgers a try?

[Dubya]

As much as I would like to see the Patriots lose, I think they are going to beat Indy again.

[Chew]

Do you think they should allow Aaron Rodgers a try?

Good god no. :lol: The "national spotlight" may seem to think Favre has lost it, but you try playing with 4 skill players who were on the streets less than a week before and see how you do. Yeah, he threw 5 interceptions. A few were tipped (not his fault) and all of them you could argue may of been caught by a decent receiver. :shrug:

I saw plenty of Rodgers in pre-season. He sucks right now and has a lot to learn. He barely moved the offense when they had Walker, Green, Franks, and Davenport in there.

No matter how bad it gets under Favre, there's no way I wouldn't stick with him.

[SpringsGal]

What if the Packers are 1-9 or 2-8 in a few weeks? Do you still want Favre at QB when there is a good chance he may retire after this year? Or give Rodgers a chance and prepare him for next year (similar to Eli Manning)?

Don't get me wrong. Favre is not the reason for the Packers current record. He is still a pretty good QB. I am sure the Packers will probably be worse off with Rodgers (atleast this season). But if Favre is at the end of his career and this season is going nowhere, why not put Rodgers in there and let him get some experience.

[Lateralus]

Ugh... Big Ben is out for two weeks and Bettis is sitting out as well. ICK! Lets go BATCH!

[Amel]

Not having Roethlisberger sucks. I think the Steelers still have a good chance with Batch this week against Green Bay and next week against Cleveland. But I wouldn't be surprised to see Ben back early to play the Cleveland game.

Not having Bettis sucks too, but shit, they got Staley coming in. Nothing to be too worried about there except for two things: Staley hasn't had a carry since last season, and as little as 2-3 weeks ago Cowher claimed that Staley pretty much wouldn't be ready for possibly the rest of this season because of the injury he had.

[RyoHazuki]

Why the hell is Kurt Warner starting?

[The Cow]

After suffering a sprained ankle, Terrell Owens probably will miss Sunday's game. There are reports he's said he'll be out longer.
And now he's upgraded to "questionable" for Sunday's game. What a shocking turn of events -rolleyes-

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/PHI/9021250

[Chew]

What if the Packers are 1-9 or 2-8 in a few weeks? Do you still want Favre at QB when there is a good chance he may retire after this year? Or give Rodgers a chance and prepare him for next year (similar to Eli Manning)?

Some proof Rodgers isn't "all that": the Packers are already scouting Leinart. Even if they end up with the first pick, I don't think that's something you do if the heir apparent is already on your team.

[LorenzoL]

Why the hell is Kurt Warner starting?

Not again. Dennis Green needs to decide who's going to be his starting QB: McCown or Warner.

Personally, I think he should stick with McCown and give him a chance and let him finish the season. Then you can decide during the offseason if you need to get a QB through free agency or draft.

[WallyOPD]

Not again. Dennis Green needs to decide who's going to be his starting QB: McCown or Warner.

Personally, I think he should stick with McCown and give him a chance and let him finish the season. Then you can decide during the offseason if you need to get a QB through free agency or draft.

That's pretty much my thinking on the situation. There's no chance Warner will be a long term solution at QB, while there's still a very slim chance that McCown will be one. McCown is the only one to win games for Green in Arizona and it's worth just getting behind him for the rest of the way so you have as much information to work with at the end of the season, it's not like they're going anywhere this year anyway.

Honestly though it will make no difference who the Cardinals play at QB as long as their offensive line remains this horrible.

[Red Dog]

Eagles have suspended TO indefinitely. rotfl

[Red Dog]

Sweet - and I'm going against a TO owner in one fantasy league. :thumbsup:

[raven56706]

sweet.... now Greg Lewis is going to be the number 1 target

[Myster X]

49ers will pull another upset. :nopanic::nopanic:

[pedagogue]

Why the hell is Kurt Warner starting?

Because Dennis Green is tired of living in AZ and wants a reason to move?

btw....Priest Holmes is right on schedule for his mid-season injury "vacation". ugh. I could have really used him this week. Now I need to rely on Fisher (GB) who may or may not be playing.

-p

[dick_grayson]

anyone know which online site (cbs, yahoo...etc) has the most recent scoreboard and/or updates the most often? I've noticed the nfl.com scoreboard seems to be the most up-to-date. Anyone know for sure?

[wildcatlh]

Lost in the TO mess is the report today that Brian Westbrook is about to sign a 5 year/$25 million extension.. finally. Get that out of the way.

Plus I can buy the Westbrook jersey I've been wanting but holding off on until he gets re-signed. Also have to ritually burn the TO jersey.

[raven56706]

Owens got into a fight on Wednesday with former Eagles defensive end and current team ambassador Hugh Douglas, the Trenton Times reported and ESPN's Chris Mortensen confirmed Sunday.

A team source told Mortensen that Douglas, whose post with the Eagles he re-titled "bad-ass-ador," entered the team's training room Wednesday and announced "I know there are people in here faking injuries." The comment apparently led to the scrum between Owens and Douglas.

One source told the Times the fight "was like WWE Smackdown." Another source told the paper both Douglas and Owens threw at least two punches before Owens challenged quarterback Donovan McNabb and then everyone else in the room, saying "You want some? Anyone else want some?"

The scrap is just another incident in a week of unrest that led to Owens being suspended indefinitely for conduct detrimental to the team on Saturday.

Early in the week, Owens apprised Philadelphia officials that he had sprained his ankle in last Sunday's loss to the Denver Broncos, and might require some time off. One day later, he was back at practice and seemingly prepared to play against the Redskins.

On Thursday, Owens blasted McNabb and the organization in an ESPN.com interview which spurred a Friday meeting with Eagles coach Andy Reid.

On Friday, Mortensen reports, Reid gave Owens three stipulations: Apologize to the organization, the team and to McNabb.

McNabb told ESPN's Suzy Kolber he called a team meeting Friday, which Owens attended, to discuss the team's unrest and pronounced to all, looking at T.O. directly, "You're either with me or against me."

Owens' apologies in private to the club and in public on Friday apparently did not meet Reid's standards and T.O. was suspended on Saturday.

According to the paper, Owens and Douglas have been at odds since training camp where they almost got into an altercation in an elevator at Lehigh University. Douglas was among the few players to publicly say Owens should honor his current contract when T.O. demanded a new one this past offseason.

The Eagles declined to comment about the bout.

In seven games this season, Owens has 47 catches for 763 yards and six touchdowns.

This is the second time Owens has been suspended during his controversial 10-year career. While a 49er in 2000, he was suspended one game by San Francisco coach Steve Mariucci following his touchdown celebrations on the Cowboys' star logo at the center of Texas Stadium.

[pedagogue]

anyone know which online site (cbs, yahoo...etc) has the most recent scoreboard and/or updates the most often? I've noticed the nfl.com scoreboard seems to be the most up-to-date. Anyone know for sure?

I use the Yahoo StatTracker for my updates. It is usually pretty good.

-p

[wildcatlh]

Chris Gamble steps in front of a Chris Simms pass and runs it 60 yards into the end zone the other way, and it's 24-7 Carolina over Tampa Bay... nobody came close to touching him on the INT return.

[pedagogue]

I'm getting clobbered right now in FF. I'm gamble on Wilford is NOT paying off right now. I need a score from him or I'm in trouble.

Who would have bet the Oak game at half would be 9 to freakin' 6?! They better light it up in the 2nd half....

-p

[RyoHazuki]

I'm interested to see how Reggie Brown does as the Eagles no. 1 reciever. Westbrook and him are gonna have to pick up the slack.

[chrisih8u]

LT with another TD, his 4th.

And did anybody else hear the CBS guys saying something about TO not being suspended?

[dick_grayson]

LT with another TD, his 4th.

And did anybody else hear the CBS guys saying something about TO not being suspended?

yeah, he's not suspended but he's deactivated, I think is what they said. so the Eagles will have the option of activating him whenever they want?

[chrisih8u]

yeah, he's not suspended but he's deactivated, I think is what they said. so the Eagles will have the option of activating him whenever they want?


Thats fucked up. I wonder why they're doing that.

[wildcatlh]

I'd be stunned if TO played for the Eagles this year. It's more likely they're just going to do to him what the Bucs did to Keyshawn a couple of years back -- just send him home with his paychecks, keep him inactive every week.

Meanwhile, the Tampa-Carolina game is now officially a blowout. 34-7 Carolina after a huge TD pass to (and another great TD dance by) Steve Smith.

[chrisih8u]

I wonder if TO will be on the sidelines. Did they send him home?

[Bill Geiger]

34-7 Carolina leads a shitty Tampa team with Simms at the helm (and I am a Tampa fan!)

[Bill Geiger]

TD Jets!

[wildcatlh]

Absolutely terrible pass interference call against the Panthers on 4th and goal gives the Bucs a first down, and an Alstott one yard run makes it 34-14. Tampa's not coming back here, but still a shitty call.

[SonOfAStu]

anyone know which online site (cbs, yahoo...etc) has the most recent scoreboard and/or updates the most often? I've noticed the nfl.com scoreboard seems to be the most up-to-date. Anyone know for sure?


NFL.com's is easily the best IMO and the easiest to follow. It's powered by CBS Sportsline and you can tell. The same format as their superior MLB gamecast.

Unfortunately, they still make their share of mistakes. ;)

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/899/oops7xg.jpg

[Bill Geiger]

TD jets...pending the review

[Bill Geiger]

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/899/oops7xg.jpg

Very impressive. :lol:

[Bill Geiger]

31-26 Jets trail the Chargers (missed the 2pt try)

[chrisih8u]

Jets get the ball back on a fumble. Good game.

[Bill Geiger]

Breese fumbles and Jets get the ball on the Chargers 30 with 3 minutes left

[Bill Geiger]

WOW! What a great pass but the Jets couldn't pull it in

[Bill Geiger]

Bollinger isn't a bad QB as many in the media made him out to be after 1 game

[chrisih8u]

Yeah, that was a perfect throw. Right through McCariens hands.

[pedagogue]

Bollinger isn't a bad QB as many in the media made him out to be after 1 game

He isn't a long-term starter, but he isn't a bad QB. As long as he keeps the mistakes down, he at least gives them a shot to stay in it......it is known as, "Pulling a Dilfer".

-p

[Bill Geiger]

Geez...the look on Wayne C's eyes was something....he isn't even there! His head banged hard on the turf. Jets ball at the 10

[MrX]

It looks like there's about 100 people at the Saints/Bears game:lol:

[chrisih8u]

1st and goal for the Jets.

[Bill Geiger]

Chargers hurting themselves on a stupid out of bounds tackle

[das Monkey]

San Diego's hilarious. rotfl

das

[chrisih8u]

12 penalties for 124 yards. :lol:

[chrisih8u]

Jets couldnt do it. SD wins.

[Bill Geiger]

...and the jets lose

[Bill Geiger]

....should have been PI on two calls there

[pedagogue]

Geez...the look on Wayne C's eyes was something....he isn't even there! His head banged hard on the turf. Jets ball at the 10

Yeah....that was erie.

I've always been a fan of Wayne.....solid player, and a good guy. I wish Herm's team was doing better this year, but they've gotten some bad breaks.

-p

[pedagogue]

....should have been PI on two calls there

The Coles one in the back left corner of the endzone was a blatant missed call.

-p

[Bill Geiger]

3-0 Saints

[Bill Geiger]

TD Raiders.....21-20...xp or 2pt forthcoming

[CRM114]

Jets called some lame plays down there on the 4.

[fumanstan]

Moss :up:

[Bill Geiger]

23-20 Oakland

[Bill Geiger]

Lots of time left for KC though

[chrisih8u]

Wow! KC down to the 1.

[Quake1028]

KC about to tie this up. They might take one shot into the endzone, but I think that's too risky.

[Quake1028]

They are going for the win!

[dick_grayson]

too bad Tenn lost. my only loss so far (but most of the leaders in the pool went with Cle, so it's even worse)

[fumanstan]

Damn it!

[Quake1028]

TD and the win!

[chrisih8u]

"It has to be a pass, it has to be." :lol: KC wins, great game at the end.

[das Monkey]

That's fucking bullshit. There's still time on the clock.

OK, good. They made them kick the XP so I could cover. :)

das

[Quake1028]

That's fucking bullshit. There's still time on the clock.

das

It was close, that's for sure.

[das Monkey]

He went in with like 3 on the clock. As long as they kick the XP, though, I don't care. :)

das

[pedagogue]

So is Fisher not playing for GB?!

Crap....

[chrisih8u]

TD Pitt D. Favre fumbled it.

[chrisih8u]

So is Fisher not playing for GB?!

Crap....

He's out.

[Oglethorpe]

I want to laugh at Green Bay but I kinda feel sorry for them...

[MrX]

Wow, does Aaron Brooks suck.

Orton with another turnover but Brooks comes out and throws a pass right to the LB after he had all day to throw it.

[das Monkey]

Aaron Brooks sucks? How about Orton? This is definitely going to be a battle of suckage today.

das

[chrisih8u]

2 Carolina Panther cheerleaders were arrested last night after having sex with each other in a bar restroom.

http://www.tbo.com/sports/MGBDTH4LPFE.html

I guess they removed the names from the earlier article. Here are the cheerleaders involved.

http://www.carolinapanthers.com/photos/perm/main/FLPGEOOGOEDL/kristen_head05.jpg
http://www.carolinapanthers.com/photos/perm/main/FLPGEOOGOEDL/angela_head05.jpg

[das Monkey]

It's called back because of holding, but holy shit, that's an amazing catch by Brandon Lloyd.

das

[pedagogue]

2 Carolina Panther cheerleaders were arrested last night after having sex with each other in a bar restroom.

http://www.tbo.com/sports/MGBDTH4LPFE.html

I guess they removed the names from the earlier article. Here are the cheerleaders involved.

http://www.carolinapanthers.com/photos/perm/main/FLPGEOOGOEDL/kristen_head05.jpg
http://www.carolinapanthers.com/photos/perm/main/FLPGEOOGOEDL/angela_head05.jpg

I'd like to be the meat in that sandwich. :drool:

They'd have to wear their uniforms though....;)

-p

[pedagogue]

Wow...slow day on here. :(

-p

[das Monkey]

It continues to amaze me how East Coast teams lay an egg in SF. It's like they sleepwalk through the games.

And as I type that, Burress makes a spectacular catch for NY.

das

[RyoHazuki]

2 Carolina Panther cheerleaders were arrested last night after having sex with each other in a bar restroom.

http://www.tbo.com/sports/MGBDTH4LPFE.html

I guess they removed the names from the earlier article. Here are the cheerleaders involved.

http://www.carolinapanthers.com/photos/perm/main/FLPGEOOGOEDL/kristen_head05.jpg
http://www.carolinapanthers.com/photos/perm/main/FLPGEOOGOEDL/angela_head05.jpg
I always thought attractive lesbians were a myth?

[Lateralus]

Whew looks like Steelers are going to win.

[ChiTownAbs, Inc]

who'd thunk.... 4 victories in a row

[ChiTownAbs, Inc]

what kind of bitch would turn in 2 women having sex in the bathroom? seriously.

[das Monkey]

I hate the NFL. I feel like I need a stop at Willoughby. "It's push, push, push, Williams. All the way, all the time. Push, push, push!" Chiefs -4 ... push. Jags -7 ... push. Bears -3 ... PUSH! Grr.

das

[CRM114]

And on a positive Eagle note, the Eagles signed Brian Westbrook to a 5 year extension. Positive karma.

[Dubya]

Now it is being reported that the blonde cheerleader wasn't there, she was at a wedding. Apparently she gave her driver's license to another Panthers cheerleader named Renee Thomas, who claimed she was Owen when she was arrested.

[RyoHazuki]

Reggie Brown scores! Eagles up by a TD.

[Red Dog]

That's fucking bullshit. There's still time on the clock.

OK, good. They made them kick the XP so I could cover. :)

das


I was quite worried about that too. :)

Tough game to watch - thought I was fucked on the backdoor cover, then elated when KC went for the win and got it, to anxiety on whether they would stay on the field to kick the PAT for the -3.5 cover, to :banana:

[Red Dog]

Once again a good day to own LT in one league and Alexander in another. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[IDrinkMolson]

Hmm, Portis' socks don't match the rest of the team, I think that's a fine.

[das Monkey]

Sunday nights are for wishing Joe Theismann wasn't from Notre Dame. :sad:

das

[Red Dog]

That's what you get for trying to get cute, McNabb. :lol::thumbsup:

[das Monkey]

rotfl

[CRM114]

That's what you get for trying to get cute, McNabb. :lol::thumbsup:

Idiotic. -ohbfrank-

[deadlax]

G. Lewis saves it on the reacharound...

Edit: bullshit review by the refs.

[CRM114]

G. Lewis saves it on the reacharound...

Edit: bullshit review by the refs.

Yeah, that ref copped out on that one.

[IMRICKJAMES]

Hmm, Portis' socks don't match the rest of the team, I think that's a fine.

not only are they different than the rest of the team, but his left one is different from his right sock.

Thats a double fine

[Myster X]

boring ass game

[Terrell]

Haven't seen this game, but how has Reggie Brown been tonight?

[Red Dog]

Woo hoo!!!! :banana:

[Rockmjd23]

Nice pass Donovan! :lol:

[MahatmaPetey]

good thing i changed my pick to washington yesterday. if it wasn't for some odd faith i have in detroit i would have got them all right today.

[CRM114]

Damn.

[Mad Dawg]

Got to go to Arrowhead for the Chiefs/Raiders game. It was outstanding. 1 yard line or not, I'm still shocked that Vermiel went for it. I guess he couldn't have much faith in the defense after Oakland's two straight TD drives in the 4th. I have to hand it to those KC fans. It is a great place to catch a game.

Oh, and fuck Aaron Brooks.

[dick_grayson]

picked 12 of 13 winners this week, so I'm now 6 behind the dude in first place. My only loss was Tenn who actually had a chance to win down at the wire (although it was a stretch)

[chrisih8u]

RotoWorld.com and FantasyFootball.com have learned that Priest Holmes will not play in week 10 and is unlikely to play again this season.
Sources close to the situation report that his career is in jeopardy. Larry Johnson will start in week 10 when the Chiefs visit the Buffalo Bills, and Johnson's value should be very high for the rest of season if Holmes shuts it down. If you can pull off a trade to get rid of Holmes or acquire L.J. before this news hits the masses, do it.

[Dr. DVD]

Wonder if Manning can overcome the Patriots tonight, or if they will break his streak?

[wildcatlh]

RotoWorld.com and FantasyFootball.com have learned that Priest Holmes will not play in week 10 and is unlikely to play again this season.
Sources close to the situation report that his career is in jeopardy. Larry Johnson will start in week 10 when the Chiefs visit the Buffalo Bills, and Johnson's value should be very high for the rest of season if Holmes shuts it down. If you can pull off a trade to get rid of Holmes or acquire L.J. before this news hits the masses, do it.

Oh, I am so glad I picked up LJ in the 9th round.

I may try to trade Dom Davis or Willis McGahee before the deadline next week... right now I have 4 good starting RBs (Larry Johnson, LaMont Jordan, along with Davis and McGahee)

[chrisih8u]

Wonder if Manning can overcome the Patriots tonight, or if they will break his streak?


Things that favor the Patriots:

The field is in shitty shape.
Bill Belichick


Things that favor the Colts:

Everything else



Richard Seymour will not play tonight. Everything points to a Colts win tonight, except the fact that its the Colts playing the Patriots.

[Michael Ballack]

what kind of bitch would turn in 2 women having sex in the bathroom? seriously.

Probablly the same bitch who was upset at Janet Jackson's tittie popping out. They ruin it for the rest of us.

[welb25]

Things that favor the Patriots:

The field is in shitty shape.
Bill Belichick


Things that favor the Colts:

Everything else



Richard Seymour will not play tonight. Everything points to a Colts win tonight, except the fact that its the Colts playing the Patriots.

Totally agree with all of this. Was it a soccer game or something that mangled the field? I think that's what I heard.

[chrisih8u]

Totally agree with all of this. Was it a soccer game or something that mangled the field? I think that's what I heard.

Yeah, and then it rained last night.

[BKenn01]

Whew looks like Steelers are going to win.

If they want to get to the big show, they better sign a decent quarterback to back up Big Ben. Cause they are a different team without him.

[chrisih8u]

Awful coverage. That was as disgusting as it gets.

[Dave99]

Looks like asante samuel could be in for a long night...

dave

[chrisih8u]

Great drive for the Pats. But the D needs to step up.

[IMRICKJAMES]

what is that symbol below the NE logo midfield? I always wondered that

[chrisih8u]

-ohbfrank- New England's D cant do shit.

[deadlax]

My guess is that logo has something to do with Gillette's flagship product the mach 3 turbo, but who knows

[namrfumot]

Who will Peyton blame for that?

[chrisih8u]

Who will Peyton blame for that?

What happened? You cant stay out late or were your tickets given away?

[namrfumot]

My parents went to the game...their friends (who gave us the other 2 seats) flew in from Pitt for the game..so I got screwed. :(

[chrisih8u]

My parents went to the game...their friends (who gave us the other 2 seats) flew in from Pitt for the game..so I got screwed. :(


You need to learn the fine art of poisoning food.

[Red Dog]

-ohbfrank- New England's D cant do shit.


Tell me about it. I had no choice but to start them in my one league and they are going to cost me a W. :down:

[chrisih8u]

:mad: Thats just fuckin disgusting. Duane Starks sucks ass.

[wildcatlh]

Dammit... no touchdowns to Wayne!

(I came into today up 50... but my opponent had Manning and Wayne going. So he could come back....)

[chrisih8u]

:lol: Belichick: "We have to play better"

[SonOfAStu]

Can someone explain to me how Mike Sherman still has a job? I'm not a Packers fan by any means, but I have a bet going with my two coworkers since the off season on which head coach will be fired first and I took Sherman. The other two guys took Tice and Capers.

I have to win this, right?

[namrfumot]

Baby Jesus cried when they said Mike Stone is the Pats safety

[Red Dog]

Can someone explain to me how Mike Sherman still has a job?


How many coaches have a better record than Sherman during his tenure? Not to mention, Favre is Sherman's biggest fan.

He's untouchable during the season because of 1) Favre and 2) the Packers lost their best weapons.


Now if you want to talk about coaches still being employed, I believe I am in my 5th year of asking how Jim Haslett is a NFL head coach.

[chrisih8u]

10 of 12 on 3rd down conversions. -ohbfrank-

[Red Dog]

Well, looks like I can get a good night's sleep tonight.

[wildcatlh]

Anyone see this guy (the one on the left) with Kraft tonight? (serious question btw)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/content/images/2005/02/08/rick_parry_mid2_200x150.jpg

[SonOfAStu]

Now if you want to talk about coaches still being employed, I believe I am in my 5th year of asking how Jim Haslett is a NFL head coach.

Haslett is the one guy that was still available that also considered picking in our bet. I was trying to pick coaches that have been around and had their chances that I knew were going to be losing machines this year. I thought Haslett had a better chance for a .500 season than Sherman.

[Jeremy517]

Anyone see this guy (the one on the left) with Kraft tonight? (serious question btw)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/content/images/2005/02/08/rick_parry_mid2_200x150.jpg

Looks like a young Palpatine.

[chrisih8u]

Nice catch and run there. At least get the crowd back in it.

[chrisih8u]

That was just fucking dumb.

[Red Dog]

That was just fucking dumb.


Hardly. Their defense has shown no sign of stopping the Colts offense, so why not.

[chrisih8u]

Hardly. Their defense has shown no sign of stopping the Colts offense, so why not.

What are the odds of getting that? Very low. The risks are putting the Colts in FG range already.

In any event, the defense should be ashamed of themselves and embarrassed that their coach had to call a play like that.

[chrisih8u]

Well, I guess that worked out better than anything else tonight.

[Red Dog]

What are the odds of getting that? Very low. The risks are putting the Colts in FG range already.



About the same of the odds of the Pats preventing the Colts from scoring at least a FG after a regular kick. :lol: Therefore, more upside than downside.

[Red Dog]

Great, and now the guy I'm trailing in the standings is going to slime enough pts out of Givens with the Pats in throw-throw-throw mode to eek out a win. :down:

[chrisih8u]

About the same of the odds of the Pats preventing the Colts from scoring at least a FG after a regular kick. :lol: Therefore, more upside than downside.

:lol: You're right. This D is terrible. Richard Seymour is out, but the secondary is pretty much back.

[pro-bassoonist]

I am really enjoying my Colts tonight....

...and M. Harrison....this guy is so tiny, next to the linebackers he looks like a kid. And what's this talk about him eating a bag of candy before each game. The guy looks like he is 158-159 pounds (just like me)....explain!!

Pro=B

[Dave99]

Dungy should have challenged that one...

dave

[B.A.]

Finally - Reggie Wayne has a big week (and propels me to victory as he goes over the century mark).

[pro-bassoonist]

What's this challenge for....Bellichick is upset that the Colts are scoring too many TDs?

I don't get it.....

Pro-B

[Dave99]

I think he was just pissed and threw it out. Then the zebras got together and figured either they have to challenge, or take a penalty. I figured they would take a penalty and save the TO, but they didn't.

dave

[ChiTownAbs, Inc]

fucking awesome mastercard ad.

[LivingINClip]

Best ..ad...ever

I bet no one has that recorded do they? I'd kill for a copy.

[Myster X]

Indy has a very good change of going perfect for the season.
The only two teams that might have a chance to beat are Cincy and Seagulls.

Sun 11/13 Houston 1:00 pm
Sun 11/20 at Cincinnati 4:15 pm
Mon 11/28 Pittsburgh 9:00 pm
Sun 12/4 Tennessee 1:00 pm
Sun 12/11 at Jacksonville 1:00 pm
Sun 12/18 San Diego 1:00 pm
Sat 12/24 at Seattle 4:15 pm
Sun 1/1 Arizona 1:00 pm

[brizz]

they'll lose at Jacksonville.

[chrisih8u]

Yeah, Jacksonville is certainly no gimmie. They have a better chance than Seattle.

[Dave99]

I was thinking jacksonville also is the game they are most capable of losing...

dave

[pro-bassoonist]

Mon 11/28 Pittsburgh 9:00 pm
Sun 12/11 at Jacksonville 1:00 pm
Sun 12/18 San Diego 1:00 pm
Sat 12/24 at Seattle 4:15 pm


These are all very, very difficult games to call.

Pro-B

[ChiTownAbs, Inc]

God please let the Colts go undefeated so I don't have to hear about the damn '72 Dolphins.

[Dave99]

I don't think 16-0 is happening. If they get to seattle 15-0, dungy is sitting manning, edge, freeney etc..I don't see them winning, especially if the hawks are jockeying for playoff position.

dave

[Quake1028]

I think they could lose any one of these games:

Sun 11/20 at Cincinnati 4:15 pm
Mon 11/28 Pittsburgh 9:00 pm
Sun 12/11 at Jacksonville 1:00 pm
Sun 12/18 San Diego 1:00 pm
Sat 12/24 at Seattle 4:15 pm

[chrisih8u]

Wow, Brady must be pissed. He came in for his press conference, said about 2 sentences and then left without taking any questions. :lol:

[Josh H]

They won't go undefeated. Though I think it is fair to say they're probably the best NFL team we've seen in a while, now that they have a defense to match the offense. But we'll have to wait and until the season is done before making any real comparisons though.

[das Monkey]

• Josh Hinkle •

They won't go undefeated. Though I think it is fair to say they're probably the best NFL team we've seen in a while, now that they have a defense to match the offense.
I honestly don't think we can say that yet. It may sound silly, but the truth is they <i>still</i> haven't beaten anyone of consequence yet. Beating the Pats is a big deal, and I don't want to downplay that, because even with all the injuries, they're tough, especially at home; but I think we have to see them play a team like Pittsburgh (with Big Ben) or San Diego or maybe Jacksonville or Seattle before we know how good they really are (sorry, I'm not buying that Cincy can beat a good team yet).

das

[wildcatlh]

God please let the Colts go undefeated so I don't have to hear about the damn '72 Dolphins.

Hey, I'm a Dolphins fan, even if they got relegated to my 3rd favorite team in the 10 years I didn't live down here, and I'd love to see the Colts go undefeated. Mostly because there be hilarious freak-outs on local sports radio. Plus I'm convinced the idiotic celebrations the members of the 72 Dolphins have every time the last undefeated team loses is a curse on the Dolphins, and the Dolphins won't win a thing until someone else goes undefeated.