"The first victim, bloodily disposed of even before the opening credits roll, tries unsuccessfully to gouge out his own eye in order to retrieve a key that has been surgically implanted."


Anything having to do with the eyes really makes my skin crawl, so I'm sure this scene is going to kick my ass. I can't wait for it!

"And there is gonna be a Saw III seeing how this one ended..!."

1. When Xavier goes crazy and starts to kill people...what the hell!? He could easily have told them what his intentions were and they could have worked together...his I'm doing this on my own thing was bullshit....

2. Beverly Mitchell died of the poison!?!?!?! Come on, one of the main things I was looking forward to was watching "Lucy" get what she deserved after all these years of bitching around the Camden house...

3. I had a feeling that Amanda was in on the whole thing, so that twist didn't surprise me, however, the fact that it was all on Tape was excellent, and I LOVED how it brought it all back to THE ROOM... I for one am looking forward to another flick with Donnie stuck in that room...that could be decent.

The twist was ridiculously obvious if you saw the first one. I remembered that the one chick that survived made it clear that she was glad she went through the experience and that it had changed her for the better. So I knew that there was absolutely no logic for her being dumped in with the rest of the people, since Jigsaw had "fixed" her. Bottom line: The big twist was pretty obvious. That alone made the movie far less enjoyable. I also found her revelation of the hidden door to be poorly done. She obviously knew it was there, yet when her life was in jeopardy with the nutcase knocking down the door, she didn't jump out and say "Hey, look, a door!" Instead she waited until he was almost in the room...

One question for those that saw the film though. What was the deal with her cutting her wrists? Was she doing it because she liked the pain, was she trying to make the others think she had tried to kill herself or what? My gut tells me it was probably the latter, but the cuts were the wrong way. I think thanks to TV/Movies and whatnot highlighting this point, most people by now know vertical cuts = suicide, horizontal = idiot.

The plot was pretty bad, but I got the impression that Jigsaw might not have led Wahlberg into the trap if he hadn't started the whole torture thing... That Jigsaw was on the fence about whether he had changed or not, and waited for the violence to come out before he told Wahlberg where the house was... And speaking of that, the first movie sought to change people. I'm not sure if it's just a bad script or not, but it seemed like the entire purpose of having all those people in the house was to lure Wahlberg into the trap.

There was no logic or "life-changing" aspects to any of the traps. Wow, read numbers off the back of their necks! The furnace... Well, even if the guy had tried, I don't think he could have survived turning the valve off. The antidotes in the box that would take your hands off... It didn't seem to me it was possible to get the antidotes out... That the entire purpose of it was simply to either trap the victim there until they died. All of which seems to me to be the result of a godawful script.

As to the ending... Everyone seems to think it was setting up a sequel where he has to figure the way out. I got the impression that she was just getting revenge and leaving him to die. I know she said he was her first... I forget the exact wording she used, but she also said she wanted him to know what it felt like to be locked away. Given the hostility I would assume she has towards him, I somehow doubt she thinks/cares for him to "change" if he went through all the normal stuff the victims go through.

What I didn't get was why the one woman told all the others that she had "played before"? She wants them to believe she's in the same position as they are, so why say anything? I understand why she would need to from the audience’s perspective, but what's her motivation as a character? And why didn't they question her more about how she had survived? Or what she had to do to survive?

John's doctor who told him about the cancer was Cary Elwes' character Dr. Gordon...though it was predictable when he was talking and would have been nice for a little cameo for Elwes (i mean what's he got going on?) still a nice little nugget from the first which i am sure everyone got.