I think they realize that they need to distance themselves from her because she is plain looney. Once she said that Bush needed to pull troops out of NO, she probably crossed the line for them.
Myster X
09-19-05, 11:41 PM
D'uh?
Lemdog
09-20-05, 12:35 AM
Hypocrisy?
Giantrobo
09-20-05, 05:06 AM
I'm just waitng for Sheehan to say something like, "...and Bush uses our troops to help Blacks and other poor in The South...I didn't ask for that."
Not only did Hurricane Katrina expose some tough social issues in America,it thankfully drowned out Cindy Sheehan's shrill looney tune voice. :up:
DVD Polizei
09-20-05, 07:05 AM
I'm kind of interested why this one woman is pissing many of you off, and why she's irritating the Republicans in general.
I agree, she's a freak, but like, I don't worry about her. I tuned her dumbass out several weeks ago.
wendersfan
09-20-05, 07:18 AM
I'm kind of interested why this one woman is pissing many of you off, and why she's irritating the Republicans in general.Thank you.
I can only assume that many of the Republican posters here assume she is typical of the rank and file Democrats around the country.
classicman2
09-20-05, 07:27 AM
It's sort of funny (well maybe not funny) that she was completely defended by a bunch of lefties on this forum and other places in the ridiculous things she said when she was attacking Bush. Now that she's re-directed her attack - they don't seem to think as much of her. I wonder why?
nemein
09-20-05, 08:28 AM
Now that she's re-directed her attack - they don't seem to think as much of her. I wonder why?
Maybe because they have the capacity of rational thought. Very few people here have shown themselves to blindly follow a side no matter what it does. When someone/something does something you agree w/ you can defend that position. If they change their statements it's completely rational to expect the defenders may change their position as well.
Tracer Bullet
09-20-05, 08:34 AM
Maybe because they have the capacity of rational thought. Very few people here have shown themselves to blindly follow a side no matter what it does. When someone/something does something you agree w/ you can defend that position. If they change their statements it's completely rational to expect the defenders may change their position as well.
:thumbsup:
I tuned her out when she started saying her son wouldn't be dead if it weren't for Bush. Maybe that's true (and that's a big maybe), but Bush did not personally shoot her son in the head, nor did he force him to join the volunteer army.
I don't think she's a nut. I just think she's a grieving mother who has been co-opted by some slimeballs, feeding her grief and ego.
Goldblum
09-20-05, 08:41 AM
She also said she would feel the same way if her son had died in Afghanistan during the end of 2001.
General Zod
09-20-05, 09:04 AM
I can only assume that many of the Republican posters here assume she is typical of the rank and file Democrats around the country.
I know two Democrats that believe everything she says. The people on here follow politics and are "plugged in" and know what's going on. I think a large percentage of Democrats (certainly not a majority) that aren't - hear Cindy's sound bytes on the news and say "Yeah, that Bush is a bastard!" and then go deposit their welfare checks. OK, just kidding about the welfare check thing ;)
Of course, the same thing can be said for people that listen to Rush or something, but the difference is that even if you disagree with him there is no doubt that Rush knows what's going on, while Cindy appears completely clueless as to how the world works.
Tommy Ceez
09-20-05, 09:22 AM
If you recall from the other thread I have ompletly tuned this woman out, and had to ask for examples of what she has done/said...I just wonder how fuckin crazy she's gonna get when no one pays attention to her anymore...THAT would be a scene.
wmansir
09-20-05, 09:34 AM
Hypocrisy?
I think the hypocrisy comes in when the Dem strategist said she supported Cindy initially and still thinks the President owes her another meeting, but Senator Clinton should not meet with her.
LiquidSky
09-20-05, 09:42 AM
Maybe because they have the capacity of rational thought. Very few people here have shown themselves to blindly follow a side no matter what it does. When someone/something does something you agree w/ you can defend that position. If they change their statements it's completely rational to expect the defenders may change their position as well.
:thumbsup:
At first I felt sorry for her (and still do because of her loss...and everyone else who has lost a loved one to this war). She has clearly gone off the deep end and has been influenced by FRINGE individuals.
There are FRINGE groups on BOTH political sides.
kvrdave
09-20-05, 10:22 AM
I'm kind of interested why this one woman is pissing many of you off, and why she's irritating the Republicans in general.
I agree, she's a freak, but like, I don't worry about her. I tuned her dumbass out several weeks ago.
Because of the media attention she has gotten. It wouldn't bother me nearly as much if the media reminded people that this nut case that is demanding a face to face meeting with the president already got one, and described it positively.
But that doesn't get ratings.
Thor Simpson
09-20-05, 10:32 AM
Maybe this is a fitting end to her 15 mins.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/20/sheehan.protest.ap/index.html
<B>Anti-war mother's speech cut short</B>
New York police: Group lacked loudspeaker permit
Tuesday, September 20, 2005; Posted: 11:02 a.m. EDT (15:02 GMT)
NEW YORK (AP) -- Police cut short a speech by anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan and arrested a rally organizer, saying he <b>hadn't obtained a permit for use of a loudspeaker.</b>
Sheehan, whose 26-day vigil near President Bush's Texas ranch sparked anti-war protests around the country, had nearly finished her speech Monday when police intervened.
Supporters ushered her away from the rally at Manhattan's Union Square park as onlookers yelled at police and chanted "Let her speak!"
Rally organizer Paul Zulkowitz was charged with unauthorized use of a sound device and disorderly conduct. He was given a court summons and released, said Detective Kevin Czartoryski.
Sheehan, whose son was killed in Iraq last year, is calling for the immediate return of troops from the region. <b>Her 25-state tour is set to culminate Saturday with an anti-war march in the nation's capital. </B>
Maybe not... maybe after the march. I wonder if she's lost some marchers over the course of her tour. I'm sure people will show up though, saying they are protesting the war, not necessarily supporting Sheehan. But then, there will be Sheehan supporters as well. Okay, I guess we have one more thread coming.
cinten
09-20-05, 10:42 AM
It's sort of funny (well maybe not funny) that she was completely defended by a bunch of lefties on this forum and other places in the ridiculous things she said when she was attacking Bush. Now that she's re-directed her attack - they don't seem to think as much of her. I wonder why?
Her message changed, I supported her when she was protesting in Crawford. Her message is different now. I'll still defend her actions in crawford, but not her comments on NO.
In Crawford she wanted to meet with the president in order to vent the anger that hundreds of families are feeling personally and what millions of americans are thinking. Of course Bush cowardly refused to meet with her.
Funny how the righties think that if you support someone once on one point you will support them till the end of time, even if their message completly changes.
classicman2
09-20-05, 10:55 AM
:lol:
:lol:
At least have some intellectual honesty. You supported her when she was bashing Bush. Now that your ox is being gored, you're not so supportive.
Thor Simpson
09-20-05, 10:56 AM
Funny how the righties think that if you support someone once on one point you will support them till the end of time, even if their message completly changes.
You're pretty good at judging the "righties." This is why conversations never get anywhere around here. It's always "us and them," seldom a middle ground.
mosquitobite
09-20-05, 10:57 AM
Funny how the righties think that if you support someone once on one point you will support them till the end of time, even if their message completly changes.
rotfl rotfl rotfl
Who did you vote for again cinten?
And will you vote for Hillary Clinton if she runs in 2008?
SkullOrchard
09-20-05, 10:58 AM
In Crawford she wanted to meet with the president in order to vent the anger that hundreds of families are feeling personally and what millions of americans are thinking. Of course Bush cowardly refused to meet with her.Please explain to me why President Bush is a coward for not meeting with this stark raving mad lunitic for a SECOND time?!? The President doesn't owe this unreasonable woman another moment of his time.
LiquidSky
09-20-05, 11:05 AM
You're pretty good at judging the "righties." This is why conversations never get anywhere around here. It's always "us and them," seldom a middle ground.
:thumbsup:
There are a number of posters on both sides who do this. Constantly posting articles from fringe sources to make the "other side" look bad, constant smart-ass and smug comments, etc.
cinten
09-20-05, 11:05 AM
:lol:
:lol:
At least have some intellectual honesty. You supported her when she was bashing Bush. Now that your ox is being gored, you're not so supportive.
Wow you didn't even read my post did you. I'll post it again a bit more simplified. I supported her during her protest in Crawford, because the President shields himself from anything negative. How many times do you think he has spoken to anyone who has a different view. Every person he interacts with is pro-bush. How many critics has he met with? Your President refuses to meet with critics.
Other people use the intellectual argument that "she is a bitch" but I guess that is ok.
Her message has changed, understand?
cinten
09-20-05, 11:07 AM
Please explain to me why President Bush is a coward for not meeting with this stark raving mad lunitic for a SECOND time?!? The President doesn't owe this unreasonable woman another moment of his time.
Nice intellectual argument there, "stark raving mad lunitic". :rolleyes:Would you care to make an intellegent argument in favor of believing that this woman isn't completely and utterly insane?
General Zod
09-20-05, 11:21 AM
Wow you didn't even read my post did you. I'll post it again a bit more simplified. I supported her during her protest in Crawford, because the President shields himself from anything negative. How many times do you think he has spoken to anyone who has a different view. Every person he interacts with is pro-bush. How many critics has he met with? Your President refuses to meet with critics.
Other people use the intellectual argument that "she is a bitch" but I guess that is ok.
Her message has changed, understand?
And you still support her by defending her in every thread about her. At least be honest with yourself.
And "stark raving mad lunitic" seems like a pretty accurate description to me. (ironic you complain about this stuff when you're always the one calling Bush stupid, an idiot, etc. I've come to expect it though).
Oh and by the way, Bush is your president too whether you like it or not! :nopanic:
cinten
09-20-05, 11:34 AM
And you still support her by defending her in every thread about her. At least be honest with yourself.
:brickwl2: Ok, I will explain it to you like I would a six year old child....I do not support her views on N.O. Which means that I disagree with her views on N.O. I do not support her views on N.O. Do you understand now?
I have also not defended her in "every" thread, I will defend her right to protest in Crawford, in order to get someone who is against the war to meet with Bush, since he refuses to meet with anyone who is against the war, even though more and more Americans are feeling that way every day.
Funny that you don't mention how you attack her in almost every thread, guess attacking is ok, but defending is bad.
And "stark raving mad lunitic" seems like a pretty accurate description to me. (ironic you complain about this stuff when you're always the one calling Bush stupid, an idiot, etc. You are the very picture of hypocrisy).
Seems to me you do the exact same thing, which would make you another picture of hypocrisy.
Oh and by the way, Bush is your president too whether you like it or not!
He isn't my president, we were not allowed to enter the building for a speach during the race because of a Kerry t-shirt. At the time he was President, so every American should have the right to hear him, if they are for him or not.
mosquitobite
09-20-05, 12:09 PM
:brickwl2:
Funny that you don't mention how you attack <s>her</s> him in almost every thread, guess attacking is ok, but defending is bad.
Are we talking about Bush or Sheehan again? :hscratch:
Red Dog
09-20-05, 12:13 PM
I'm kind of interested why this one woman is pissing many of you off, and why she's irritating the Republicans in general.
I agree, she's a freak, but like, I don't worry about her. I tuned her dumbass out several weeks ago.
I had the same question. Reminds of the folks who get their panties in a bunch when some liberal celebrity says something they don't like. Who gives a rat's ass?
Mordred
09-20-05, 12:30 PM
Maybe because they have the capacity of rational thought. Very few people here have shown themselves to blindly follow a side no matter what it does. When someone/something does something you agree w/ you can defend that position. If they change their statements it's completely rational to expect the defenders may change their position as well.:up:
mikehunt
09-20-05, 12:59 PM
is this the right thread for this?
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/20/sheehan.protest.ap/index.html
Anti-war mother's speech cut short
New York police: Group lacked loudspeaker permit
Tuesday, September 20, 2005; Posted: 12:56 p.m. EDT (16:56 GMT)
NEW YORK (AP) -- Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan said Tuesday she was hurt slightly in a scuffle that erupted when police broke up a rally as she was at the microphone.
An organizer was arrested and charged with using a loudspeaker without a permit.
"I was speaking and someone grabbed my backpack and pulled me back pretty roughly," Sheehan said, describing the scene at Manhattan's Union Square on Monday. "I was shoved around."
Sheehan, the grieving mother whose vigil near President Bush's Texas ranch sparked anti-war protests around the country, said she wasn't roughed up by police, but was jostled when officers broke up the rally and arrested organizer Paul Zulkowitz.
"I think their use of force was pretty excessive for someone that didn't have a permit," Sheehan said.
Paul Browne, spokesman for the New York Police Department, said Sheehan had finished speaking when officers arrested Zulkowitz, who had been repeatedly warned that he didn't have a permit.
Zulkowitz was charged with unauthorized use of a sound device and disorderly conduct. He was given a court summons and released.
Sheehan, whose son was killed in Iraq last year, is calling for the immediate return of troops from the region. Her 25-state tour is set to culminate Saturday with an anti-war march in Washington.
She gained prominence when she staged a 26-day protest near Bush's ranch outside Crawford, Texas.
Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
classicman2
09-20-05, 01:02 PM
Nothing has changed, cinten. Have a little bit of credibility left on this forum - admit you're a blind political partisan.
classicman2
09-20-05, 01:04 PM
I had the same question. Reminds of the folks who get their panties in a bunch when some liberal celebrity says something they don't like. Who gives a rat's ass?
This thread is the first thread I've posted anything about the woman.
I'm never ceased to be amazed at the thought process (really non-thought process) that some of our members go through. I simply felt compelled to respond to one of them.
What the woman says or doesn't say - I don't give a damn.
Tommy Ceez
09-20-05, 01:06 PM
Im going to use cinten's logic and prove that John Kerry is a coward
MEET WITH ME MR. KERRY!!
wait...
wait...
wait...
THERE IT IS...Kerry is a coward!
Goldblum
09-20-05, 01:13 PM
Im going to use cinten's logic and prove that John Kerry is a coward
MEET WITH ME MR. KERRY!!
wait...
wait...
wait...
THERE IT IS...Kerry is a coward!
Quick, STOP THE PRESSES!
jhagler
09-20-05, 01:18 PM
Her message changed, I supported her when she was protesting in Crawford. Her message is different now. I'll still defend her actions in crawford, but not her comments on NO.
In Crawford she wanted to meet with the president in order to vent the anger that hundreds of families are feeling personally and what millions of americans are thinking. Of course Bush cowardly refused to meet with her.
Funny how the righties think that if you support someone once on one point you will support them till the end of time, even if their message completly changes.
Ok cinten, let's use your logic. You say you defended her in Crawford, but not now because her message has changed. (You specifically mention NO). However, in the video clip we saw, her message seems to me to be:
1) Hilary Clinton supported (and still supports) the war in Iraq.
2) She (meaning Sheehan) thinks we should never have been in and wants to completely withdraw from Iraq.
3) If Clinton does not change her position on Iraq, she should be voted out of the Senate.
Note, nothing in this clip or this message has anything to do with her statements about NO. It is EXACTLY the same message she had in Crawford, i.e. the Iraq war and all its supporters are bad. Only this time, it is being directed at a Democrat (Clinton).
Now with this same message, many of the same people that supported her in Crawford and said Bush should meet with her are saying that Clinton should ignore her. Hypocrital? I think so. Especially when you factor in that Bush had previously met with her.
So tell me, how is this any different than what was happening in Crawford? New Orleans and her comments about that are not involved here at all.
SuprVgeta
09-20-05, 01:30 PM
Yeah I saw this on O'Reilly last night... Democrats were all for Sheehan when she was going after Bush, but now that she has set her sights on Hillary Clinton they don't want anything to do with her. In addition, Democrats are saying that Hillary, unlike President Bush (who already met with her btw before she started blogging for Michael Moore etc..), should not meet with Sheehan. Oh the hypocrisy...
Myster X
09-20-05, 02:10 PM
Yeah I saw this on O'Reilly last night... Democrats were all for Sheehan when she was going after Bush, but now that she has set her sights on Hillary Clinton they don't want anything to do with her. In addition, Democrats are saying that Hillary, unlike President Bush (who already met with her btw before she started blogging for Michael Moore etc..), should not meet with Sheehan. Oh the hypocrisy...
She's not alone. Quite a few members are embracing her ideology. ;)
cinten
09-20-05, 03:40 PM
Nothing has changed, cinten. Have a little bit of credibility left on this forum - admit you're a blind political partisan.
Ironic you don't mention that about half the other members who post in the exact same way. I'm not a blind partisan, I admire Bush Senior for what he did with the original Iraq war. I voted for a republican senator in the last election. My argument is with Bush and his arrogance.
It's ironic that people think Hillary should be fired if she doesn't meet with cindy, but think it's ok for Bush to ignore her. Of course thse comments about Hillary were made how many days ago?
How much power over the war does Hillary have, last time I checked she was one of 100 senators, not the president who launched the war to get all those WMDs. Last time I checked Bush was the one who launched the war, not Hillary.
It works both ways if you want to attack her Hillary for not meeting with her, but defend Bush for not meeting with her is hypocritical. Not that being hypocritical has mattered to most republicans.
cinten
09-20-05, 03:42 PM
Im going to use cinten's logic and prove that John Kerry is a coward
MEET WITH ME MR. KERRY!!
wait...
wait...
wait...
THERE IT IS...Kerry is a coward!
Has she asked to meet with Kerry (the guy who went to vietnam, unlike anyone in the Bush administration) yet?
Sominex
09-20-05, 03:43 PM
Ironic you don't mention that about half the other members who post in the exact same way. I'm not a blind partisan, I admire Bush Senior for what he did with the original Iraq war. I voted for a republican senator in the last election. My argument is with Bush and his arrogance.
It's ironic that people think Hillary should be fired if she doesn't meet with cindy, but think it's ok for Bush to ignore her. Of course thse comments about Hillary were made how many days ago?
How much power over the war does Hillary have, last time I checked she was one of 100 senators, not the president who launched the war to get all those WMDs. Last time I checked Bush was the one who launched the war, not Hillary.
It works both ways if you want to attack her Hillary for not meeting with her, but defend Bush for not meeting with her is hypocritical. Not that being hypocritical has mattered to most republicans.
I just wanted to chime in
1) Bush DID meet her once already. Hillary has not. And as someone else pointed out, many Liberals were all over the president's ass for not meeting with Ms. Sheehan. But when Hillary won't meet with her, it's "OK". Why do you think that is my friend?
2) Hillary voted for, and defends the war in Iraq. She shares the same responsibilities as Bush to an extent.
Sorry, your argument is not valid in the way you presented it.
And in terms of someone saying she was a mad raving lunatic.. I do feel for the woman, and can't fathom the pain she must be in.. but when I hear someone say the military needs to leave and stop "Occupying" N.O. like it was invaded, I'd say that lunatic label is right on
nemein
09-20-05, 03:47 PM
It's ironic that people think Hillary should be fired if she doesn't meet with cindy, but think it's ok for Bush to ignore her. Of course thse comments about Hillary were made how many days ago?
The only person talking about HC being fired is Sheehan.
It works both ways if you want to attack her Hillary for not meeting with her, but defend Bush for not meeting with her is hypocritical. Not that being hypocritical has mattered to most republicans.
:scratch2: Are we reading the same threads... has anyone here attacked Hillary or been critical of her for not meeting w/ Sheehan? In fact I think most people here might gain a little more respect for HC for NOT giving Sheehan the time of day. [Hate to use the labels but it was the only way to make sure the sides were appropriately indicated.] What "righties" are trying to get to is pointing out how some "lefties" were critical of Bush for not meeting w/ her (a second time) but are not equally critical of HC for not meeting w/ her (for a first time).
jaeufraser
09-20-05, 03:51 PM
It's ironic that people think Hillary should be fired if she doesn't meet with cindy, but think it's ok for Bush to ignore her. Of course thse comments about Hillary were made how many days ago?
I don't believe anybody thinks Hilary should meet with Ms. Sheehan, or that she should be fired for not. Of course, if you'd like to point out who said that, I'm all ears but as far as I can tell the only person who thinks Hilary should be fired for not speaking to Ms Sheehan is...Ms. Sheehan.
I think most people just find it absurd that some people say President Bush should take his time to meet with this woman when Hilary does not have to. When in reality most of us think Ms Sheehan is owed nothing, and that a meeting with either of these people would not only accomplish nothing (as if the answers she's looking for haven't already been spelled out for her) and is nothing more then political grandstanding. It's sad she lost her son, but that doesn't mean we should agree with all of her political views and that she deserves one on one time with any politician she calls to task.
jhagler
09-20-05, 03:51 PM
It works both ways if you want to attack her Hillary for not meeting with her, but defend Bush for not meeting with her is hypocritical. Not that being hypocritical has mattered to most republicans.
Okay, let's try this one more time. By the way, I find it telling that you did not respond to my previous post. I tried to simply and briefly lay out the facts of why this is hypocritical.
Anyway, I re-read this entire thread. I might have missed it, but I could not find one post criticizing Hillary for not meeting with her. Everyone was simply saying it is hypocritical for Democrats to criticize Bush for not meeting with her, and then say Clinton should ignore her. As they say, what is good for the goose is good for the gander!
Personally, I don't think Bush or Clinton should meet with her.
Edit:
Wow, three posts all saying essentially the same thing posted at about the same time!
Sominex
09-20-05, 03:54 PM
Has she asked to meet with Kerry (the guy who went to vietnam, unlike anyone in the Bush administration) yet?
Colin Powell served TWO tours in Vietnam
Tom Ridge was the first enlisted Vietnam combat veteran elected to the US House of Representatives and of course went on to serve in the Bush Administration as the first Homeland Security Secretary
Principi I believe was also highly decorated in Vietnam. Although not sure if you'd classify him as part of the "Administration" in the strictest sense of the word
There are THREE of the top of my head...
The first two were still member of the administration during the Iraq war (which is what your topic is currently about)
Please research before you make accusations next time
nemein
09-20-05, 03:55 PM
the guy who went to vietnam, unlike anyone in the Bush administration
:lol: You do realize adding in side comments like this whenever possible only makes it more ludicrious when you accuse people of being blindly partisan don't you :confused:
nemein
09-20-05, 04:05 PM
Please research before you make accusations next time
According to their bios atleast 4 people on the CURRENT cabinet (which is the most racially and gender diverse ever [to borrow a page from cinten ;)]) have spent some time in uniform/military service. Only one went to Vietnam though as the others served their time before or after that.
weargle
09-20-05, 04:15 PM
Don't let the facts blind you, Bush is the devil I say!
Sheesh, Cindy, eat my ass. Your fifteen minutes were over last month.
kvrdave
09-20-05, 04:25 PM
"I think their use of force was pretty excessive for someone that didn't have a permit," Sheehan said.
:hscratch:
Mordred
09-20-05, 04:32 PM
"I think their use of force was pretty excessive for someone that didn't have a permit," Sheehan said.
:hscratch:She's saying that she thinks their use of force was pretty excessive for someone that didn't have a permit.
Hard to parse that down any farther :)
kvrdave
09-20-05, 04:37 PM
So...you don't have a permit, and then you bitch about how you are treated because you got bumped? I think she got off easy.
nemein
09-20-05, 05:17 PM
"I think their use of force was pretty excessive for someone that didn't have a permit," Sheehan said.
:hscratch:
The use of force by the police in response to people breaking the law was in excess of what Sheehan thinks would be appropriate for that given situation, is what Sheehan said she thinks. Does that make more sense ;)
Tommy Ceez
09-20-05, 05:25 PM
Sheehan, the grieving mother whose vigil near President Bush's Texas ranch sparked anti-war protests around the country, said she wasn't roughed up by police, but was jostled when officers broke up the rally and arrested organizer Paul Zulkowitz.
"I think their use of force was pretty excessive for someone that didn't have a permit," Sheehan said.
Now she's bi-polar.
SuprVgeta
09-20-05, 05:48 PM
The only person talking about HC being fired is Sheehan.
:scratch2: Are we reading the same threads... has anyone here attacked Hillary or been critical of her for not meeting w/ Sheehan? In fact I think most people here might gain a little more respect for HC for NOT giving Sheehan the time of day. [Hate to use the labels but it was the only way to make sure the sides were appropriately indicated.] What "righties" are trying to get to is pointing out how some "lefties" were critical of Bush for not meeting w/ her (a second time) but are not equally critical of HC for not meeting w/ her (for a first time).
Beat me to it. :D
MartinBlank
09-20-05, 10:24 PM
...change the title of my thread to "REPUBLICAN Stategist....." THAT'S why people on the right get bent out of shape over this woman, it truely is a double standard!! Is she a nut-jub? obviously.....BUT....NOW she's a nutjob! Up until the hurricane, you couldn't turn on the TV and NOT see the woman's face, but, now she's back, and "just trying to get attention." WTF?? How much did you hear of the "pro-Bush" individuals that showed up in Crawford??
Thor Simpson
09-21-05, 12:59 AM
huh? :confused:
Giantrobo
09-21-05, 04:28 AM
huh? :confused:
ditto.
SkullOrchard
09-21-05, 08:41 AM
If these 'huh?' posts are in response to MartinBlank's post, allow me to explain.
Republicans, from Day One, have realized that Cindy Sheehan is nothing more than a publicity whore. When she unleashes her unreasonable hissyfits upon a REPUBLICAN President, the Democrats and the liberal media adore her.
Now that Cindy Sheehan has redirected some of her wrath toward Hillary Clinton, a DEMOCRAT, it finally dawns on the Dems that this woman is an unreasonable attention seeker.
What part of unfair 'double standard' don't you understand?
Thor Simpson
09-21-05, 09:00 AM
What part of unfair 'double standard' don't you understand?The fact that her message and purpose has changed. She is no longer sitting in a chair waiting to meet with the President about her lost son.
She took it a step further (with the help of fringe groups) and now it's time to re-evaluate your level of support of her. Seems simple enough to me. :shrug:
Supporting a woman in a lawn chair (based on sympathy) is different from supporting a woman on a national tour that is now preaching the anti-Bush. She self-destructed, as expected.
But I don't blame anyone who felt sympathy for her initially and now thinks she may be following different motivations. Her little protest turned into far more than she had initially thought it could... thus the image changed from "Cindy Sheehan is the mother of a lost soldier" to "Who is Cindy Sheehan, and what does she have to say about the world." There's a big difference. And there's no shame in changing views on a person once they get off-message.
sracer
09-21-05, 09:26 AM
The fact that her message and purpose has changed. She is no longer sitting in a chair waiting to meet with the President about her lost son.
She took it a step further (with the help of fringe groups) and now it's time to re-evaluate your level of support of her. Seems simple enough to me. :shrug:
Supporting a woman in a lawn chair (based on sympathy) is different from supporting a woman on a national tour that is now preaching the anti-Bush. She self-destructed, as expected.
But I don't blame anyone who felt sympathy for her initially and now thinks she may be following different motivations. Her little protest turned into far more than she had initially thought it could... thus the image changed from "Cindy Sheehan is the mother of a lost soldier" to "Who is Cindy Sheehan, and what does she have to say about the world." There's a big difference. And there's no shame in changing views on a person once they get off-message.
A little common sense and a good dose of discernment should've told people that her initial message of wanting to meet yet-again with the President was not genuine.
All the "she's a grieving mother who may not be thinking things through" excuses were just ways to fend off aspects of the situation that were warning signs.
But hey, the anti-Bush crowd could put a face to their position... and the pro-Bush people could shift the focus from the President himself to this unbalanced opportunist.
Everybody (who isn't TRULY interested in the issues at hand) wins.
nemein
09-21-05, 09:30 AM
A little common sense and a good dose of discernment should've told people that her initial message of wanting to meet yet-again with the President was not genuine.
I disagree, I think those first couple of days/maybe that first week was a genuine effort/appeal to met w/ Bush again. After that the spin doctors took over and it was no longer in her control. Even if she had given up and left at that point the "effort" would have continued, although it would have been slightly modified.
Thor Simpson
09-21-05, 09:39 AM
Even if that were the case, these flying accusations of "double-standards" and hypocrisy sure are helpful in getting more people to come over to your point of view... no wonder we're so divided and stuck in our ways.
Hey... I'm glad you came around, you FRIGGIN' HYPOCRITE! Charming, isn't it? :blush:
I know... it can be said that they're only doing this for their own political benefit. Well... they're politicians. Should anything else be expected? It still trickles down to those that consume the news.
People that suppoted Sheehan previously and now think she is a loon... that's a lot more than this "strategist." Give them some credit.
General Zod
09-21-05, 11:14 AM
:lol: Her message changed. Please. Her focus of her attacks has changed, and now it's focused on a democrat and all of a sudden it's like she's a different person. While she was sitting in her chair demanding to meet with Bush she also mentioned he Murdered her son, and that the people fighting us in Iraq are "freedom fighters" and Israel should get out of palestine and the world will be at peace.. yep, said all that crap right when she was sitting in her chair there in texas. Democrats blindly following along hook, line, and sinker through all of that stuff.. no problem. Now she's speaking out against Clinton and the democrats are finally waking up to the fact that this lady is out of her mind. When the focus was on Bush, however, she's sane as can be.. This she changed her story or changed her views crap is a nice attempt at trying to cover up some hypocrisy. Not working.
classicman2
09-21-05, 11:40 AM
Her message changed. Please. Her focus of her attacks has changed, and now it's focused on a democrat and all of a sudden it's like she's a different person.
Correct!
Goldblum
09-21-05, 11:54 AM
I Still Want To Find Out Who Here Wanted Hillary Clinton Fired, Dammit!
You launch a political movement with the activists you have, not the activists you wish you had. Those who want America out of Iraq have Cindy Sheehan, and while she's not perfect, history will likely record her as a key leader in the growing movement to end the war.
Sheehan was just one more grief-stricken suburban mother of a serviceman killed in Iraq until last month, when she set up a protest vigil outside President Bush's vacation ranch.
Since then, she has been speaking in dozens of cities on the Bring Them Home Now Tour, which will culminate in a giant anti-war protest in Washington this weekend. More than 100 buses of protesters will be leaving from New York City alone in the next few days.
She has become a regular target for right-wing pundits.
"Cindy Sheehan is on a mission to figuratively urinate on her son's grave and make his death stand for nothing," said Mark Williams, a conservative radio talk show host, on Fox News.
Another pro-war conservative, David Horowitz, has called Sheehan "a woman who exploits the death of her own son and doesn't respect her own son's life."
Sheehan often provides ammunition to her opponents by using over-the-top rhetoric. In a typical comment, her Web site calls the Bush administration "murderous thugs who have caused so much mindless mayhem."
But despite her verbal excesses, Sheehan has humanized what the polls say is now a majority position among citizens: that the Bush administration has been untruthful about the reasons for the war, wildly wrong about forecasts of success and is committed to staying put in what increasingly looks like a military quagmire.
Anti-war activists compare Sheehan to Rosa Parks, the Alabama seamstress whose 1955 arrest for refusing to obey Montgomery's segregated bus seating laws helped spark the civil rights movement.
The analogy is spot on.
Sheehan, like Parks before her, is accused of going beyond respectable dissent and turning political and militant. In the process, say critics, Sheehan has been co-opted by sinister leftist organizations, including the Communist Party.
Critics said exactly the same thing about Rosa Parks, who was an active member of the NAACP, fully versed in the growing movement to end segregation and well-aware of the group's search for a good test case. Segregationists howled over a photo showing Parks - along with a young Martin Luther King - at the Highlander Folk School, a Tennessee-based training school for social activists that conservatives called a Communist front.
Sheehan, like Parks, is no political novice. Shortly after her son was killed in action last year, Sheehan joined a group called Military Families Speak Out. Months later, she formed a new organization, Gold Star Families for Peace, and began pushing anti-war groups to turn up the heat on Bush.
When they declined, Sheehan headed for Crawford, Tex.
This woman will enter the history books not as a leftist dupe, but as an extraordinary, if infuriating, catalyst who was right on the merits and courageous enough to stand her ground. Just like Rosa Parks.
I'm confused. Are you saying "If you think Cindy Sheehan is nuts, just wait until you see how far wacked out Errol Louis is?" or are you saying "If you think Cindy Sheehan is nuts, just see how wrong you are?"
Tracer Bullet
09-22-05, 02:51 PM
I'm confused. Are you saying "If you think Cindy Sheehan is nuts, just wait until you see how far wacked out Errol Louis is?" or are you saying "If you think Cindy Sheehan is nuts, just see how wrong you are?"
I don't think my intent is that hard to figure out.
jhagler
09-22-05, 03:00 PM
I don't think my intent is that hard to figure out.
Sorry then. I wasn't trying to be cute or anything, I just wasn't sure. Earlier in this thread you stated you think she has be co-opted by slimeballs, but this editorial seems to portray her as a polically savvy person. I guess you are saying the editorial is correct, but that would seem to contradict your earlier post.
For the record, I think both Cindy Sheehan and Errol Louis are wacked out! :)
Tracer Bullet
09-22-05, 03:05 PM
Sorry then. I wasn't trying to be cute or anything, I just wasn't sure. Earlier in this thread you stated you think she has be co-opted by slimeballs, but this editorial seems to portray her as a polically savvy person. I guess you are saying the editorial is correct, but that would seem to contradict your earlier post.
For the record, I think both Cindy Sheehan and Errol Louis are wacked out! :)
I think comparing her to Rosa Parks is just insane. I don't see how my posting this op-ed is inconsistent with my earlier post, though. I don't agree that Sheehan is politically saavy.
jhagler
09-22-05, 03:12 PM
I think comparing her to Rosa Parks is just insane. I don't see how my posting this op-ed is inconsistent with my earlier post, though. I don't agree that Sheehan is politically saavy.
Don't fret it, I think it is just my lack of understanding. I can be slow sometimes. :thumbsup:
General Zod
09-22-05, 03:50 PM
This woman will enter the history books not as a leftist dupe, but as an extraordinary, if infuriating, catalyst who was right on the merits and courageous enough to stand her ground. Just like Rosa Parks.
Wishful thinking by the author.
Thursday, Sept. 22, 2005 10:37 a.m. EDT
Hillary, McCain to Meet with Cindy Sheehan
2008 presidential hopefuls Hillary Clinton and John McCain have agreed to meet with anti-American war protester Cindy Sheehan when Sheehan travels to Washington, D.C. this weekend to cap her national tour.
Sheehan has meetings scheduled with an array of left-wing Democratic officeholders, including Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi and Henry Waxman - as well as Clinton and McCain, the Village Voice reported Thursday.
Sen. Clinton's decision to meet with Sheehan flies in the face of her attempts to reposition herself as a pro-defense Democrat - although lately she's been scrambling to appeal to her party's left-wing base.
The McCain meeting, however, is completely inexplicable.
On August 24, the Tucson Citizen asked McCain if President Bush was right not to meet with Sheehan.
His response? "If I was president of the United States, I probably wouldn't."
The same day, McCain told the Arizona Star that Sheehan "is probably being used" by anti-war groups.
More troubling still: both Clinton and McCain's office's are no doubt aware of the long list of anti-American statements uttered by Sheehan since she lost her son in Iraq last year.
The highlights:
• "America has been killing people on this continent since it was started. This country is not worth dying for..."
• "We have this lying bastard, George Bush, taking a 5-week vacation in a time of war."
• "When I was growing up, it was Communists. Now it's Terrorists. So you always have to have somebody to fight and be afraid of, so the war machine can build more bombs, guns, and bullets and everything."
• "You get America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine and you'll stop the terrorism."
• "Thank God for the Internet, or we wouldn't know anything, and we would already be a fascist state."
• "George Bush needs to stop talking, admit the mistakes of his all around failed administration, pull our troops out of occupied New Orleans."
• "They’re not waging a War on Terror but a War of Terror. The biggest terrorist is George W. Bush."
General Zod
09-22-05, 04:29 PM
My prediction is that Clinton will meet with Sheehan and Sheehan will come out and say Hillarry is okie dokie because she would have "Done it different" in Iraq (which I guess means that nobody would have died). Let's see if this pans out..
Thor Simpson
09-22-05, 05:01 PM
Wow... I thought that was an Onion article the first time through... :lol:
Shoveler
09-22-05, 05:16 PM
I think comparing her to Rosa Parks is just insane. I don't see how my posting this op-ed is inconsistent with my earlier post, though. I don't agree that Sheehan is politically saavy.
I'm willing to bet that if Cindy Sheehan and Rosa Parks were both on the same bus, and Cindy Sheehan was sitting in the front of the bus, Rosa Parks would eagerly sit in the back of the bus just to avoid any association with Cindy Sheehan! ;)
Brent L
09-22-05, 11:15 PM
Ok, Hillary and McCain will meet with her. Is this the first time they have ever done so?
I can't wait until after this meeting, and seeingthis broad demands to meet with them yet again.
The fact is that these officials don't need to meet with her period. Not Bush, not Clinton, not McCain, not any of them. They have better things to do with their time. I don't quite understand what makes her so special, other than her being so obviously insane. Ok, so her son was killed. So were many other's children both in this war and past wars. It's sad, but it's the nature of war, people die for a cause.
These officials, on either side of fence, can't just go out and meet with every single person affected by all of these, they just can't. I don't think it's fair that she gets her way just because she wants to bitch and moan all day about it.
She should be grateful that Bush met with her the first time, and that Clinton and McCain are going to meet with her. It's a hell of a lot more than many people who lose somone to war ever gets.
MartinBlank
09-23-05, 02:28 AM
These officials, on either side of fence, can't just go out and meet with every single person affected by all of these, they just can't. I don't think it's fair that she gets her way just because she wants to bitch and moan all day about it.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that both Clinton and McCain sit on the same side of the fence.
lordwow
09-23-05, 07:06 AM
The fact is that these officials don't need to meet with her period. Not Bush, not Clinton, not McCain, not any of them. They have better things to do with their time. I don't quite understand what makes her so special, other than her being so obviously insane. Ok, so her son was killed. So were many other's children both in this war and past wars. It's sad, but it's the nature of war, people die for a cause.
These officials, on either side of fence, can't just go out and meet with every single person affected by all of these, they just can't. I don't think it's fair that she gets her way just because she wants to bitch and moan all day about it.
She should be grateful that Bush met with her the first time, and that Clinton and McCain are going to meet with her. It's a hell of a lot more than many people who lose somone to war ever gets.
Well said.
I agree, everytime I see her on the news I say to myself (or the people around me) "Why would Bush ever meet with her?" It's like having a person follow you around and disagree with everything you say. I don't want to talk to them, it's not going to improve anything. I just think her saying she wants to "Talk" to Bush means she wants to bitch at him, and no answer he gives would ever be good enough for her.
You can think what you like about Bush, but I honestly don't think that he's not sympathetic to these families. I really wish this lady and her nutty friends would get lost, they're giving the Dems a bad rep (and they're losing the moderate vote because of it) and drives people like me nuts.
Thor Simpson
09-23-05, 09:04 AM
The good news is, I hear Hillary is looking for a running mate. If McCain falls though, Sheehan could be the backup. She's already demonstrated broad national support :up:
lordwow
09-23-05, 09:21 AM
The good news is, I hear Hillary is looking for a running mate. If McCain falls though, Sheehan could be the backup. She's already demonstrated broad national support :up:
rotfl
Tommy Ceez
09-23-05, 01:14 PM
I would love to see a Guliani vs. McCain primary, just for the following ad
"McCain vs. Giuliani...the man who met with Cindy Sheehan vs. teh man who kicked Arafat out of a party!"
Lovely
DVD Polizei
09-23-05, 02:02 PM
The good news is, I hear Hillary is looking for a running mate. If McCain falls though, Sheehan could be the backup. She's already demonstrated broad national support :up:
You're subconsciously asking for End Of Days 2: The Sequel, aren't you.
Nazgul
09-23-05, 02:33 PM
Bush Braces As Cindy Sheehan's Other Son Drowns In New Orleans
WASHINGTON, DC—According to White House sources, President Bush is bracing for intensified criticism following Monday's report that the body of Tyler Sheehan, son of outspoken anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan, was recovered from the receding floodwaters in New Orleans.
Although the White House has not released a statement, a firestorm of controversy is expected to follow the death of the dynamic, well-liked young man, who was working on a levee-upkeep crew while completing the EMT-certification training he needed to become a firefighter.
"Tyler was the very picture of an American hero," said Jorge Guiterrez, an Ochsner Hospital orderly present when Sheehan evacuated dozens of patients from its intensive-care unit. "He pulled off-the-clock double shifts moving guys in wheelchairs, guys without arms, guys on dialysis—you name it, he got them on a bus to Baton Rouge."
Before Sheehan moved to New Orleans, he was a struggling coho-salmon fisherman in Oregon's Klamath Basin. However, when the Bush Administration relaxed federal protection of the endangered fish, Sheehan's catch became contaminated with mercury. He gave up fishing and moved to Oakland, CA, where he opened a free clinic, which lost its federal funding in 2002 for giving out oral contraceptives to poor women.
A recent transplant to Louisiana, Sheehan reportedly went above and beyond the call of duty to aid imperiled New Orleans residents, dispensing bottled water and first aid to dazed hurricane survivors between shifts at the breached Canal Street levee.
Sheehan was last seen Sept. 4, hours after he and his levee crew sustained injuries while attempting to shore up storm-weakened levee pilings. According to sources, contaminated water laced with slicks of petroleum from a recently deregulated, poorly fortified refinery ignited, causing third-degree burns among the workers. Survivors recall seeing Tyler, badly injured and without the life jacket and medical kit denied him by recent budget cuts, digging survivors out of the wreckage.
"I don't know how we would have gotten out of there without Tyler," said Dom Ghivarello, Sheehan's crew chief. "Once we got clear of the break, we had no way of getting to high ground without our utility truck, which was requisitioned by the Defense Department last month for use in Iraq. But Tyler threw me his truck keys and went back to help others. That's the last I saw of him."
Sheehan moved to New Orleans in 2004 to take a year off from the University of California at Berkeley, where administrators had temporarily suspended the stem-cell research program in which he was enrolled in hopes of helping to combat his younger sister Ruth's spinal meningitis. Friends report that his public spirit continued in the Big Easy, as he delivered meals to elderly New Orleans residents affected by recent Medicare cuts, and doggedly petitioned the Justice Department for the release of his life partner, Amin Sagheer, who has been detained without charge at Guantanamo Bay for nearly three years.
"He made service to his fellow citizens his number-one priority," Ghivarello said. "He made that vow back in 1998, when his best friend, a developmentally disabled black juvenile, was put to death in Texas for a crime he didn't commit."
Cindy Sheehan was unavailable for comment, as she was busy trying to contact her lone surviving son Teddy, a meteorologist studying global warming with the International Geophysical Foundation in Antarctica, who is believed to be marooned on a 45-square-mile chunk of the shrinking Ross Ice Shelf that broke off Tuesday morning.
Link (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/40764)
nemein
09-23-05, 02:43 PM
That's not fair... it's not Wed -ptth-
VinVega
09-23-05, 03:30 PM
Link (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/40764)
:lol:
I knew it was "That Publication" before I finished reading it. Good job though Naz. :up:
uberjoe
09-26-05, 12:49 PM
MSNBC and Drudge are reporting she was just arrested at a White House demonstration.
WASHINGTON - Cindy Sheehan, the California woman who has used her son's death in
Iraq to spur the anti-war movement, was arrested Monday while protesting outside the White House.
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Sheehan and several dozen other protesters sat down on the sidewalk after marching along the pedestrian walkway on Pennsylvania Avenue. Police warned them three times that they were breaking the law by failing to move along, then began making arrests.
Sheehan, 48, was the first taken into custody. She stood up and was led to a police vehicle while protesters chanted, "The whole world is watching."
Sheehan's 24-year-old son, Casey, was killed in an ambush in Sadr City, Iraq, last year. She attracted worldwide attention last month with her 26-day vigil outside
President Bush's Texas ranch.
Sheehan was among several hundred demonstrators who marched around the White House on Monday and then stopped in front and began singing and chanting "Stop the war now!"
The demonstration is part of a broader anti-war effort on Capitol Hill organized by United for Peace and Justice, an umbrella group. Representatives from anti-war groups were meeting Monday with members of Congress to urge them to work to end the war and bring home the troops.
Nazgul
09-26-05, 01:02 PM
MSNBC and Drudge are reporting she was just arrested at a White House demonstration.
Can we send her to Gitmo for this? :)
General Zod
09-26-05, 01:23 PM
Sounds like the democratic strategist quote in this name of this thread is spot on. I suspect the US will have to put up with her stupidity and antics for a few more years until finally the bleeding hearts who say "She's a mom who lost her son!" realize she's just a media whore.
nemein
09-26-05, 01:27 PM
Can we send her to Gitmo for this? :)
And turn her into a martyr :confused: Best place for her, strangely for both sides to some extent, is out on the streets. The Dems love her for stirring up the cause and the Reps love her for the comedy.
dick_grayson
09-26-05, 01:28 PM
I suspect the US will have to put up with her stupidity and antics for a few more years until finally the bleeding hearts who say "She's a mom who lost her son!" realize she's just a media whore.
Both what...
A bleeding heart and a media whore?
A mom and a bleeding heart?
A mom and a media whore?
A bleeding heart and someone who is capable of stupid antics?
Stupid antics and a media whore?
dick_grayson
09-26-05, 01:45 PM
Both what...
A bleeding heart and a media whore?
A mom and a bleeding heart?
A mom and a media whore?
A bleeding heart and someone who is capable of stupid antics?
Stupid antics and a media whore?
it's not that complicated....unless you were making a joke. re-read the last part of Zod's post. [paraphrased and taken literally]....one day bleeding hearts realize that she is just a media whore and not a greiving mother.
I don't think it's such a black and white issue (although it seems a popular viewpoint at dvdtalk)
Thor Simpson
09-26-05, 01:46 PM
Can we send her to Gitmo for this? :)
:lol:
nemein
09-26-05, 01:48 PM
it's not that complicated....
So it is the 4th option right -ptth-
unless you were making a joke
;)
dick_grayson
09-26-05, 01:50 PM
So it is the 4th option right -ptth-
;)
yes. but not just a mom (one who lost her son in combat)--- talk about at least giving credit where credit's due ;)
link to video of her getting arrested...... http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/09/26/sheehanarrested/
MartinBlank
09-26-05, 10:08 PM
"Hurry Cindy, the short bus is here!! Don't forget your helmet!!!" In the pic that accompanies the above video, she looks mildly retarded.
nemein
09-26-05, 10:15 PM
I didn't watch the video but from the pics I saw the grieving mother seems to be really enjoying herself.
MartinBlank
09-26-05, 10:53 PM
I would appear as if there were as many photographers there as there were protesters.
Don't these people have jobs?
Andy Warhol was full of shit!!
Brent L
09-26-05, 11:05 PM
It looks like the cop on the left holding her up is molesting her, and she is enjoying it, in the picture above the link to download the video.
EDIT:
I just watched the video, and oh boy...
She's not just any normal attention whore, far from it. She's like, an attention prostitute by this point. How could this moron act so happy, with a big smile on her face, and then WAVE to her "fans" as she's being taken away?
Like I've said for a long time, this stopped being about the war, and her son, a long, long time ago.
MartinBlank
09-26-05, 11:18 PM
Tragedy Slut!!
Ben86
09-27-05, 12:21 AM
Neo-Con: "Let's smear the messenger, not the message because it is easier to call someone looney than to call someone wrong."
Thor Simpson
09-27-05, 12:24 AM
<img src="http://www.amcostarica.com/ladyclown122903.jpg">
"Bring the troops home! Stop the occupation of New Orleans! You're oppressing my freedom of speech... and it kind of tickles! Weee!"
Some people smear themselves.
SuprVgeta
09-27-05, 02:03 AM
Neo-Con: "Let's smear the messenger, not the message because it is easier to call someone looney than to call someone wrong."
I'd love to hear you defend the sanity of this anti-american LOONEY.
Sheehan (After she met with President Bush ): "I now know sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis... I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith... and, "For the first time in 11 weeks, they felt whole again. 'That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,'"
FAST FORWARD TO THE PRESENT:
Sheehan: "You tell me the truth. You tell me that my son died for oil. You tell me that my son died to make your friends rich. You tell me my son died to spread the cancer of Pax Americana, imperialism in the Middle East."
"You get that evil maniac [President Bush] out here, 'cause a Gold Star Mother, somebody whose blood is on his hands, has some questions for him."
"We are not waging a war on terror in this country. We're waging a war of terror. The biggest terrorist in the world is George W. Bush."
"I'm going all over the country telling moms: "This country is not worth dying for. . . . [W]e were not attacked by Iraq. We might not even have been attacked by Osama bin Laden if 9/11 was their [the U.S. government's] Pearl Harbor to get their neo-con agenda through and, if I would have known that before my son was killed, I would have taken him to Canada. I would never have let him go and try and defend this morally repugnant system we have." - Yeah that's right, the U.S. GOVERNMENT ORCHESTRATED 9/11... -ohbfrank-
"I want to give my little story about Lynne [Stewart]. Of course, you all have read To Kill a Mockingbird. Lynne is my human Atticus Finch. He did what he knew was right, but wasn't popular. And that's what Lynne is doing." (Stewart is an attorney who was convicted of illegally helping her client Omar Abdel Rahman, a convicted terrorist, pass secret messages -- urging violent terrorist attacks -- to his Islamic Group followers.)
[B]"You know Iraq was no threat to the United States of America until we invaded. I mean they're not even a threat to the United States of America. Iraq was not involved in 9-11, Iraq was not a terrorist state. But now that we have decimated the country, the borders are open, freedom fighters from other countries are going in, and they [American troops] have created more terrorism by going to an Islamic country, devastating the country and killing innocent people in that country. - Yes, you heard right, American troops are killing innocent people and TERRORISTS ARE FREEDOM FIGHTERS according to Sheehan. Why is she so upset about her patriotic son being killed by a FREEDOM FIGHTER I wonder...?
nemein
09-27-05, 05:26 AM
Neo-Con: "Let's smear the messenger, not the message because it is easier to call someone looney than to call someone wrong."
I think in this case people have sufficiently smeared both the messenger and her message ;)
Nesbit
09-27-05, 08:11 AM
Neo-Con: "Let's smear the messenger, not the message because it is easier to call someone looney than to call someone wrong."
I'm sure they would have done this more if she hadn't proved herself to be unbalanced. You're right that this is their normal MO but in this case there is no point. The woman has serious problems.
VinVega
09-27-05, 08:27 AM
I thought the 15 minutes were up. I guess my clock is broken. ;)
dick_grayson
09-27-05, 09:01 AM
I thought the 15 minutes were up. I guess my clock is broken. ;)
Yes, the same people who keep calling her a media whore come in here to post every time she goes to the bathroom. If you want her to go away, ignore her. The more people bitch and moan about her, the longer she'll stay (and stay in the spotlight).
Tommy Ceez
09-27-05, 09:24 AM
I want to make a joke about her, but I need Ben86's permission first.
Goldblum
09-27-05, 09:36 AM
http://lucianne.com/routine/images/09-26-05.jpg
Stuck on Stupid.
Which one's Stupid?
Goldblum
09-27-05, 09:40 AM
She's not just any normal attention whore, far from it. She's like, an attention prostitute by this point. How could this moron act so happy, with a big smile on her face, and then WAVE to her "fans" as she's being taken away?
Only one solution...TAZE HER!!!
Give her 25 thou--no, make that 50,000 VOLTS!!!!!
sracer
09-27-05, 10:36 AM
If you want her to go away, ignore her. The more people bitch and moan about her, the longer she'll stay (and stay in the spotlight).
Bzzt... nice try, thanks for playing. All the whining and complaining here (or lack thereof) is NOT going to influence the media to ignore her. Please explain how taking your advice is going to make SheeHAN go away.
Red Dog
09-27-05, 10:39 AM
Please explain how taking your advice is going to make SheeHAN go away.
It may not make her go away but it will take her out of the spotlight. As I said before, how do you think Michael Moore became so popular? Because conservatives bitched about him incessantly. I had never heard of him until I heard the complaints about him. Same with Cindy.
dick_grayson
09-27-05, 10:47 AM
Bzzt... nice try, thanks for playing. All the whining and complaining here (or lack thereof) is NOT going to influence the media to ignore her. Please explain how taking your advice is going to make SheeHAN go away.
see Red Dog's post. I just meant as a general rule to ignore her.....not as if dvdtalk hold sway over what the media covers----not yet, anyway ;)
still, if people ignore her the media will contine but eventually get the hint. since she seems to bother so many people, she'll continue to be news (which sucks, I know) but if people can act like they don't care, she won't be in the spotlight. it's not an easy thing to do since it's so "in your face" all the time, but insulting her appearance or whatever doesn't seem to be helping get rid of her either
Thor Simpson
09-27-05, 11:07 AM
I now vow not to mock Sheehan or Michael Moore in any DVDTalk thread so long as nobody mocks the intelligence or appearance of the President. I hope it is a long lasting (even permanent) pledge.
dick_grayson
09-27-05, 11:13 AM
I now vow not to mock Sheehan or Michael Moore in any DVDTalk thread so long as nobody mocks the intelligence or appearance of the President. I hope it is a long lasting (even permanent) pledge.
that would be something, yes, but the difference between an elected official and the mother of a soldier seems quite obvious. I have tried not to insult Bush as much as I normally would here so that people don't get pissed off......but whenever there's a "truce" or whatever here, most people acknowledge and then the same few just keep it going. I think most people are pretty respectful or at least think it's in good humor. Calling someone a "worthless **** bitch" for protesting and being in the media spotlight is radicially different than calling the President a simpleton.......but that's probably just my bias :)
Red Dog
09-27-05, 11:15 AM
I now vow not to mock Sheehan or Michael Moore in any DVDTalk thread so long as nobody mocks the intelligence or appearance of the President. I hope it is a long lasting (even permanent) pledge.
Surely you do not equate private citizens with the President of the US. One is answerable to the people; the other 2 are not.
Thor Simpson
09-27-05, 11:23 AM
I'm not saying people cannot be critical. I'm talking about the mindless name calling that dick_grayson is referring to.
I try not to stoop to such things any way and most of the people whose opinions I pay attention to aren't the ones guilty of this to begin with.
But about Sheehan... yes, she is a private citizen. Private citizens are mocked constantly on the internet for things that they do. I still feel more pity for her than disdain. I think her tragedy has been severely abused by some fringe groups on the left, and unfortunately her statements reflect that she's been taken under their wing.
wmansir
09-27-05, 11:54 AM
Private citizens are mocked constantly on the internet for things that they do.
Yes, the same people who keep calling her a media whore come in here to post every time she goes to the bathroom. If you want her to go away, ignore her. The more people bitch and moan about her, the longer she'll stay (and stay in the spotlight).
We don't control the mainstream media on here. It doesn't matter if we talk about her or not, it's how long the media decides to follow her every move. I submit that if she were a mom who lost her son and was totally pro-war the media never would have covered her story at all. There's a media obsession with her, and when she is out of the spotlight she says something stupid to get back in. Our media should be more responsible and see her as a sick woman and leave her alone without encouraging her, but I guess that's what the media does these days - especially when she is pushing up against an administration that most of the media doesn't like.
Red Dog
09-27-05, 11:59 AM
We don't control the mainstream media on here. It doesn't matter if we talk about her or not, it's how long the media decides to follow her every move. I submit that if she were a mom who lost her son and was totally pro-war the media never would have covered her story at all. There's a media obsession with her, and when she is out of the spotlight she says something stupid to get back in. Our media should be more responsible and see her as a sick woman and leave her alone without encouraging her, but I guess that's what the media does these days - especially when she is pushing up against an administration that most of the media doesn't like.
You don't think media is obsessed with her because they know that it obviously pushes the buttons of conservatives? If conservatives didn't get their panties in a bunch by what she says and does, the coverage would be far less than it is.
dick_grayson
09-27-05, 12:03 PM
We don't control the mainstream media on here. It doesn't matter if we talk about her or not, it's how long the media decides to follow her every move. I submit that if she were a mom who lost her son and was totally pro-war the media never would have covered her story at all. There's a media obsession with her, and when she is out of the spotlight she says something stupid to get back in. Our media should be more responsible and see her as a sick woman and leave her alone without encouraging her, but I guess that's what the media does these days - especially when she is pushing up against an administration that most of the media doesn't like.
true and I agree. read my posts after that one. I think the people are to blame as much as the media. Look at the television programs that people watch. Judge Judy, reality television and so on. People like to watch others humiliate themselves and the media loves to show it. I know I can't stop the trend of reality programming but I can ignore it and not let it bother me. That's about it. It's frustrating and retarded, but if there's another way, let me know. I'd gladly get rid of all the media sensationalistic bullshit for the stuff that really matters.
sracer
09-27-05, 01:19 PM
see Red Dog's post. I just meant as a general rule to ignore her.....not as if dvdtalk hold sway over what the media covers----not yet, anyway ;)
In my previous reply, I edited your post slighly, here it is in it's entirety:
Yes, the same people who keep calling her a media whore come in here to post every time she goes to the bathroom. If you want her to go away, ignore her. The more people bitch and moan about her, the longer she'll stay (and stay in the spotlight).
You are clearly referring to people in THIS forum.
...still, if people ignore her the media will contine but eventually get the hint. since she seems to bother so many people, she'll continue to be news (which sucks, I know) but if people can act like they don't care, she won't be in the spotlight. it's not an easy thing to do since it's so "in your face" all the time, but insulting her appearance or whatever doesn't seem to be helping get rid of her either
Who are you talking about?! Who is publicly saying anything insulting about her appearance? Or at least publicly enough that it actually influences media coverage of her.
dick_grayson
09-27-05, 01:27 PM
Who are you talking about?! Who is publicly saying anything insulting about her appearance? Or at least publicly enough that it actually influences media coverage of her.
I was just referring to here. I don't know of anyone who has done so publicially. Most of my suggestions (which weren't too clear) were, for the most part, for those here who get so heated about her being a media whore. I was simply saying to ignore her and not let her bother you. The rest was in response to questions or other posts and I don't have to time to try to recall the point I was trying to make or where I was going with it........if anywhere. :)
VinVega
09-27-05, 01:27 PM
We don't control the mainstream media on here. It doesn't matter if we talk about her or not, it's how long the media decides to follow her every move.
Well, I don't know if DVDTalk can be considered a blog, but the popular conservative blogs are now read on a regular basis by all the big news outlets. Things are evolving every day in how news is covered and presented to the public. Usually the 15 minutes is reduced to about 7.5 minutes in the 24 hour news world, which makes her resilliance that much more interesting (perhaps she's just peetering out at a normal rate that had been preempted by the hurricanes over the past 3 weeks :shrug: ). She's also doing everything in her power to stay in the spotlight, but that too shall pass.
RoyalTea
09-27-05, 01:29 PM
question:
If Cindy Sheehan met with the president and initially said that the meeting with the president went well, why did she demand another meeting?
I've been trying to ignore this for so long, but I really don't understand what started this whole fuss.
VinVega
09-27-05, 01:39 PM
question:
If Cindy Sheehan met with the president and initially said that the meeting with the president went well, why did she demand another meeting?
I've been trying to ignore this for so long, but I really don't understand what started this whole fuss.
Somewhere inbetween, she was co-opted by some anti-war groups I believe, but that's just my guess.
Nazgul
09-27-05, 05:19 PM
Somewhere inbetween, she was co-opted by some anti-war groups I believe, but that's just my guess.
I don't think that's a guess. I think she may have been really heartfelt at first, but then the vultures got her and she went along willingly.
Thor Simpson
09-27-05, 05:52 PM
Has she ever given a reason for her 2nd meeting? Did she just have some things she forgot to tell him the first time around, or did some event take place that changed her opinion? Surely this info must be out there somewhere.
Dimension X
09-27-05, 05:52 PM
http://lucianne.com/routine/images/09-26-05.jpg
Stuck on Stupid.
rotfl
MartinBlank
09-27-05, 06:08 PM
question:
If Cindy Sheehan met with the president and initially said that the meeting with the president went well, why did she demand another meeting?
I've been trying to ignore this for so long, but I really don't understand what started this whole fuss.
She went off her meds.....and I think she's dating George Soros. ;)
Tommy Ceez
09-28-05, 12:16 AM
She's obviously a woman whose whole idnetity depended upon being someone's mother, and whe he died she filled the void by being the mother of the looney left.
Sad really
Brent L
09-28-05, 12:44 AM
That's actually a very good way to put it.
Does this woman have a history of having anything to do with politics? I mean, has she ever been a protester of anything in the past? What is her history other than just being a mom?
tcoursen
09-28-05, 11:15 AM
After this I don't see why any other politician would want to meet with her :
When she is completely used up (which I can't believe hasn't happened already), she is gonna be one lonely, lonely woman.
Thor Simpson
09-28-05, 11:40 AM
Wow... Hillary can't cancel her meeting, can she? That wouldn't be fair. :lol:
At least Hillary has some time to prepare based on the meeting with McCain. Let's see what she comes away with. There's got to be some way to capitalize on this.
Brent L
09-28-05, 11:52 AM
This is just classic, I'm loving this.
Once again, thank God for morons like this broad.
wmansir
09-28-05, 06:05 PM
After this I don't see why any other politician would want to meet with her :
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-09-28-sheehan-mccain_x.htm
I love it. And we all know if Bush met with her this is exactly how it would turn out, except "warmonger" would be "murderer", she wouldn't be so polite when calling him a liar, and it would be plastered on the news for days. McCain seemed to realize it was a mistake, but his "I was lied to" defense doesn't pass the smell test. Even if true, he knew the real purpose of the meeting.
Also, I didn't see this posted, but I guess some Kos posters chewed (http://angrygwn.mu.nu/archives/122655.php) her a new one when she complained about Rita stealing the spotlight from the Cindy Day Parade. Her spokesman then denied it was her, but Sheehan later admitted she made the post.
Tommy Ceez
09-28-05, 11:34 PM
A guy who spent years in a POW camp is a warmonger :lol:
WASHINGTON (AP) — Peace mom Cindy Sheehan didn't change her opposition to the war in Iraq after meeting Tuesday with one of its supporters, Sen. John McCain, a Vietnam veteran whom she called "a warmonger."
What's the big deal? That's nothing less than McCain's critics on this very board have said. :lol:
classicman2
09-29-05, 08:38 AM
Well that's one area I agree with Cindy on - he is a warmonger.
bhk
09-29-05, 08:43 AM
Ah McPain, classic that this happened to him.
Goldblum
09-29-05, 11:51 AM
She's obviously a woman whose whole idnetity depended upon being someone's mother, and whe he died she filled the void by being the mother of the looney left.
Sad really
Completely agree. I feel sorry for her. She has really lost it, and those on the rabid left have exploited her to no end. And they may have ruined her connections to the rest of her family, who appear to have taken efforts to distance themselves from her. :(
General Zod
09-30-05, 02:47 AM
Ed Koch weighs in..
Cindy Sheehan, whose son Casey was killed in action in Iraq on April 4, 2004, has become the face of the anti-war movement in the United States. While her grief is understandable, her rhetoric is outrageous.
As the mother of a son killed in battle in Iraq, she originally struck a sympathetic chord, whether you supported the war in Iraq or opposed it. One cannot help but empathize with the agony of a bereaved mother. But that has changed over the months, and I believe that many Americans who viewed her with sympathy no longer do so.
Many Americans, myself included, now see her as a person who has come to enjoy the celebratory status accorded to her by the radicals on the extreme left who see America as the outlaw of the world. These radicals are not content to be constructive critics. They are bent on destroying this country.
Some of them want to turn America into a radical socialist state. Others hope to create a utopia. But regardless of their agendas, how can Cindy Sheehan's supporters defend her shameful statement, "This country is not worth dying for."
While we recognize the U.S. is far from perfect, we are still head and shoulders above most other countries in the world in every respect. We remain the place where almost all others, given the chance, want to come to live. We continue to be the land of opportunity. We are the world's leading economy.
Yes, there is far too great a difference between the incomes of the rich and the poor. Yes, we haven't provided universal medical care as a matter of right for all of our citizens. Yes, minorities still suffer from discrimination socially, in housing, jobs and education. But we have a political system that for more than 200 years has allowed the electorate to work its will through regularly held elections. The government follows the will of the people, or it will no longer stay in power..
Those who rail against the United States have simply failed to sell their message to the public at large. They keep losing elections, local as well as national. Rather than broadening their appeal, they have narrowed it.
I supported and still support the war in Iraq, because our Congress and President had every right to rely on the advice of the CIA that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. On Sunday, September 25, 2005, Tim Russert of Meet The Press, summed up the situation prevailing before the war, saying, "…post September 11th, there was a fear of terrorism, an inability to know whether there were weapons of mass destruction by the public or by the media. George W. Bush said there were. Bill and Hillary Clinton said there were. The Russians, French and Germans, who opposed the war, said there were. Hans Blix of the UN said there were."
Iraq had fought an eight-year war against Iran resulting in a million casualties, using poison gas against the Kurds, who were citizens of Iraq, and against the Iranian army. Yes, since the 2003 invasion, we have not found any present supplies of WMD. Nevertheless, based on advice from CIA counterparts advising every member nation of the United Nations Security Council, the Security Council, including Syria, adopted Resolution 1441 unanimously, finding Iraq had weapons of mass destruction for which it had not accounted and advising Iraq that failure to account was cause for war. Iraq refused to account for them to the U.N. We and our allies were right to invade, notwithstanding that other countries, terrified by the prospect of terrorism against them and tempted by corruption at the UN masterminded by Saddam Hussein through the Oil-For-Food program and lucrative vendor contracts with Hussein's regime, did not join us.
As I have often stated, we have accomplished our original goal to prevent Iraq from threatening us or its regional neighbors. We should declare victory and get out. Yes, there probably will be a civil war among the Kurds, Sunni and Shia. If the UN — which is still under a cloud because of the "Oil for Food" scandal — decides to take a military role in Iraq to stop the civil war, we can join them at that time. Having accomplished our original mission, we should no longer be fulfilling the obligations of other countries, such as Germany and France which have had a free ride to date. Even in Afghanistan, the latter NATO allies, do not participate in combat duty, leaving that and the ensuing casualties for the U.S. to bear.
President George W. Bush summed up his views on Iraq when he stated, "When the Iraqi army stands up, the American Army will stand down." I have low expectations of that happening in the immediate future. The estimates provided by the Bush administration on our getting out range from two to ten years. I do not believe we should wait that long, because of the casualties that would be involved. We should get out now, leaving the UN in charge. Although I believe that we should leave Iraq, I do not accept Sheehan's outrageous statements.
Sheehan has joined those who rail against Israel, labeling Israel as the culprit with her comment, "You get America out of Iraq, you get Israel out of Palestine and the terrorism will stop." Is that why Sunni and other terrorists have intentionally killed thousands of Shia civilians, labeling them, according to al-Zarkawi, infidels? Is that why Arab fundamentalists have declared war against all Christians and Jews?
According to Wikipedia, on August 15, 2005, on the Chris Matthews Show, Sheehan said, "she would not have responded differently to her son's death had he died in Afghanistan rather than in Iraq. Sheehan argued that the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan was 'almost the same thing as the Iraq war.'" Remember, the UN Security Council authorized the invasion of Afghanistan and the war against the Taliban government.
Sheehan's personal attacks on President Bush include comments in a speech on April 27, 2005, when she said, "We are not waging a war on terror in this country. We're waging a war of terror. The biggest terrorist in the world is George W. Bush." Shameful.
According to Wikipedia, Sheehan wrote, "Casey was killed in the Global War of Terrorism waged on the world and its own citizens by the biggest terrorist outfit in the world: George and his destructive neo-con cabal."
In an interview on CBS, Sheehan referred to the foreign insurgents coming into Iraq, who are condemned as terrorists even by other Arab countries, as well as the U.S. and Great Britain, as "freedom fighters." On September 16, 2005, she said, "Pull our troops out of occupied New Orleans and Iraq." On the one hand, she and her supporters urge that the National Guard be brought back from Iraq to be used in New Orleans, and on the other hand, she condemns their use there now.
In addressing a veterans' group on August 5, 2005, she demeaned herself with the use of truly outrageous remarks hurled at the President, describing him as "a lying bastard," "that jerk," "that filth spewer and war monger," and "that evil maniac."
Sheehan appeared this past weekend in Washington, D.C., leading the parade in a picture captured by the media that included Jesse Jackson, Julian Bond and Al Sharpton.
On Monday of this week, while Sheehan and her supporters were in Washington protesting at the White House against the presence of U.S. military forces in Iraq — those forces there at the request of the democratically elected Iraqi government — according to The New York Times, "Armed men dressed as police officers burst into a primary school in a town south of Baghdad on Monday, rounded up five Shiite teachers and their driver, marched them to an empty classroom and killed them, a police official said." Sheehan believes them to be "freedom fighters."
Of course, Sheehan has the right to state her opinion in a country she believes shouldn't be defended. We who disagree with her statements, we who believe this country deserves our thanks, love and willingness to defend it, also have the right to express our views. Speak up, America.
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0905/koch.php3
heimerSWT
09-30-05, 09:21 AM
....let the glassy-eyed screeching begin!!!
http://www.democrats.org/a/2005/09/meeting_with_ci.php
You would think Howard Dean could use proper grammar, or at the very least, have someone else check his article before it is posted:
Meeting with Cindy Sheehan
Posted by Howard Dean on September 27, 2005 at 06:06 PM
I met with Cindy Sheehan and three activist supporters here in my office at the DNC (two of whom were involved in the Presidential race) on Saturday after the rally. Some of you have met her, but for those who have not, I thought I would share my impressions.
She is a delightful person. She had not a drop of holier than thou zealotry. She is unpretentious and very clear. All this I expected, given the terrible sacrifice she has made, and her willingness to speak out.
What I was surprised at was her ability to be so comfortable in her own skin. After she became a phenomenon in Crawford, the Republican spin team realized she was a real threat. Cindy Sheehan, made a tremendous personal sacrifice. A sacrifice being made by too many American families who have had loved ones killed or maimed in this war.
Cindy has credibility the Administration does not have. Even the President tried to diminish her by saying that she did not believe in fighting terrorism. His minions, of course, did much worse, trying to make out that she was a media savvy manipulator -- and even spreading false rumors that she was anti-Semitic.
No one is untouched in the face of personal attack, but Cindy exudes an inner calm and a self-confidence which made it clear to me that she will not back down. I respect and support what she is doing in standing up and speaking out.
Whether you think the Iraq war is a good idea or not, all of us should support Cindy Sheehan. Perhaps the grossest disservice the Republican leadership has inflicted on our country is not the war, the huge deficits, or even the divisive appeals to the worst fears of voters. Rather it is the notion that it is unpatriotic to disagree with the most partisan President in our life time, and that dissent harms our country. Nothing could be farther from the truth -- we are a strong country because we have the right to dissent.
In fact it is the attempts of the Administration to fight dissent with personal attacks as they did during the Nixon era are that diminish our country in the long term.
Cindy Sheehan is honest in the face of a dishonest and corrupt Washington culture. She is plain spoken in an era of cynicism and propaganda, she in committed and idealistic in a time where our government has abandoned what is right for America in favor of what is right for the Republican party. We need more Cindy Sheehans.
lordwow
09-30-05, 09:25 AM
all of us should support Cindy Sheehan
I would and all... other than the fact I don't agree with her...
Oh and she apparently doesn't have a job so it's only a matter of time before she starts collecting welfare from my taxes... grr...
General Zod
09-30-05, 11:31 AM
I like this in the same paragraph:
Whether you think the Iraq war is a good idea or not, all of us should support Cindy Sheehan. We are a strong country because we have the right to dissent.
I think Kerry might have written this.
bhk
09-30-05, 11:34 AM
Hell, I certainly support Sheehan.
I support her and want her to keep saying crazy things just like the head of the DNC and have them be the face of the dems.
tcoursen
09-30-05, 11:49 AM
I would and all... other than the fact I don't agree with her...
Oh and she apparently doesn't have a job so it's only a matter of time before she starts collecting welfare from my taxes... grr...
How do all these protestors support themselves? I have always wondered about that.
She can't be getting money from her husband, since he filed for divorce. So what does she do for money?
Tommy Ceez
09-30-05, 12:17 PM
She can't be getting money from her husband, since he filed for divorce. So what does she do for money?
Dude, thats when the real money starts rolling in!
tcoursen
09-30-05, 12:25 PM
Dude, thats when the real money starts rolling in!
But right now that is still pending, so I would assume that he is holding out. he just filed so I can't imagine that it has been settled and he is paying her support yet. Or do you have to start paying something as soon as you file?
mosquitobite
09-30-05, 12:29 PM
Not only did he file for divorce, but he filed for spousal support. Spousal from a homemaker? He knows she's getting money from someone.
Hmmm... Soros perhaps? ;)
lordwow
09-30-05, 01:02 PM
They don't have a money... they're liberals! It all went to the government!
rotfl
Kasha
09-30-05, 01:32 PM
Sheehan: 'I Have to Pay My Bills, Too'
By Nathan Burchfiel
CNSNews.com Correspondent
September 28, 2005
College Park, MD (CNSNews.com) - Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan recently signed on with a speakers' bureau, and her appearance on the lecture circuit drew mixed reaction Tuesday night, especially from her younger supporters at the University of Maryland.
Sheehan, whose son Casey was killed in the Iraq war in 2004, took part in a discussion organized by the Democracy Collaborative, a university-sponsored group that works to "strengthen democracy" by addressing "democratic dilemmas in theoretical and practical ways," according to its website.
Sheehan left before the floor was opened to students for a question-and-answer session. Event moderator Gar Alperovitz, a professor at the university and the founder of the Democracy Collaborative, told students that Sheehan was not well. "She's in the back and very, very ill and I think also upset so she's not going to be coming back." He did not elaborate.
Before the event, Sheehan met with reporters to discuss her plans for the future. She said she didn't think her contract with Speaking Matters LLC will distract from her message.
"This is a society where people make money doing what they do and I have to pay my bills, too," she told Cybercast News Service.
"I love doing this and I do it for free," Sheehan continued. She said she has been spending her own money to travel around the country in recent weeks to rally opposition to the war in Iraq.
Sheehan previously told Cybercast News Service that she was not taking money from organizations like MoveOn.org or private financiers like George Soros but that her recent 51-city bus tour was funded by "grassroots fundraising."
She said her contract with Speaking Matters, which has not yet disclosed how much a Sheehan appearance will cost, will help her "finally make some money ...'cause Casey's insurance money's going to run out pretty soon.
One student who supports Sheehan's activism said she thinks "it's admirable that she's not making any money, it shows that her incentives are true."
The student, who identified herself only as Andrea, said "what she's doing to bring attention to this cause, the fact that she's actually doing it, overrides any of my very drastic disagreements with it [Sheehan getting paid]."
Andrea's friend, Megan Hanford, said it makes sense that Sheehan would start charging for appearances. "She can't work while she's traveling the country," Hanford said, "and she's lost any income that her son might have brought her."
Hanford added that "she's not going to get rich off of these speaking engagements; it's not going to make her a millionaire, you know, so it doesn't change my view of her at all."
Another student, Justin Ahn, said he doesn't necessarily support Sheehan, but that seeing her in person made him more sympathetic to her cause.
He said he has mixed feelings about Sheehan making money off her message. "It does kind of change my perception, but then again it does make sense as well," he said. "I guess everyone's got to make a living somehow."
Bush supporter Jeff Roman was more hostile to Sheehan's media attention and public speaking contract. "If you're going to lose your son," Roman said sarcastically, "why not get 15 minutes of fame out of it."
Roman was one of dozens of Bush supporters at the event, which produced heated exchanges between College Republicans and anti-war activists outside the venue but remained civil during the speeches.
University of Maryland English professor Marilee Lindemann said she fully supports Sheehan making money from her speaking engagements. "She's given extraordinarily of herself, of her time," she said, "and I will point out that she sacrificed her child in service to this country."
Lindemann added that she'd "be happy personally to pay her for what she's doing and it doesn't compromise in any way the cause."
Sheehan said she will speak mainly on college campuses because students are "going to have to pay for the billions of dollars that we've dumped into this war. [Students are] going to have to pay for the enemies that we've made into generations and generations."
She recalled the large student demonstrations against the Vietnam War years ago, and she said she's encouraged that today's college students are so involved in protesting the war, even though there is no draft.
Sheehan said her next goal is to establish a "Camp Casey D.C." near the White House, which she envisions as a permanent vigil until the troops come home.
Sheehan's "Camp Casey" vigil outside President Bush's Crawford, Tex., ranch during the summer pushed her into the headlines and made her a hero to various liberal groups.
Sheehan is demanding a second meeting with President Bush to discuss the war she opposes so strenuously.
She first met with Bush two months after her son was killed. Since starting the vigil, however, Sheehan has said she's glad Bush didn't meet with her this summer, because it galvanized the anti-war movement.
"Camp Casey has given me back my joy for life, and a renewed sense of hope for my future and my country's future," Sheehan blogged in August.
President Bush has expressed sympathy for Sheehan, but he insists that withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq prematurely would betray the Iraqi people and cause others to question America's commitment to spreading freedom and winning the war on terror.
President Bush said this summer that the United States will honor its war dead by completing the mission for which they gave their lives.
Be on the lookout for Cindy Sheehan at a college campus near you.
Myster X
09-30-05, 02:15 PM
Howard's job might be on the line. :eek:
tcoursen
09-30-05, 02:50 PM
One student who supports Sheehan's activism said she thinks "it's admirable that she's not making any money, it shows that her incentives are true."
Andrea's friend, Megan Hanford, said it makes sense that Sheehan would start charging for appearances. "She can't work while she's traveling the country," Hanford said, "and she's lost any income that her son might have brought her."
It's good to know that Sheehan's "incentives" are true, whatever the hell that means.
Her son was going to bring her income?
VinVega
09-30-05, 03:18 PM
It's good to know that Sheehan's "incentives" are true, whatever the hell that means.
Her son was going to bring her income?
Ah youth. Ya gotta love 'em. :lol:
sracer
09-30-05, 03:28 PM
It's good to know that Sheehan's "incentives" are true, whatever the hell that means.
Her son was going to bring her income?
Sure! She was preparing him for the socialist utopia she envisioned. ;)
General Zod
09-30-05, 03:29 PM
"George Bush murdered my income!"
Nazgul
09-30-05, 03:46 PM
"George Bush murdered my income!"
rotfl
Brent L
09-30-05, 07:13 PM
George Bush doesn't care about my income?
lordwow
09-30-05, 07:28 PM
George Bush caused a hurricane to flood my income.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Cindy Sheehan, the military mother who made her son's death in Iraq a rallying point for the anti-war movement, plans to tie herself to the White House fence to protest the milestone of 2,000 U.S. military deaths in Iraq.
"I'm going to go to Washington, D.C. and I'm going to give a speech at the White House, and after I do, I'm going to tie myself to the fence and refuse to leave until they agree to bring our troops home," Sheehan said in a telephone interview last week as the milestone approached.
"And I'll probably get arrested, and when I get out, I'll go back and do the same thing," she said.
The death toll among U.S. military forces since the March 2003 invasion stood at 1,996 on Sunday.
The milestone's approach prompted plans for hundreds of other demonstrations across the United States, but for Sheehan, each military death in the Iraqi war has been a tragedy.
"To me, every single member since Number One has been tragic and needless and unnecessary," she said. "My son was somewhere around 615, and I've been working so hard for peace since my son was killed and now almost 1,400 more soldiers have been killed since Casey died."
Army Specialist Casey Sheehan was killed in Iraq on April 4, 2004.
Beyond Sheehan's plans, a candlelight vigil is planned at the White House to mourn the 2,000-death milestone. Hundreds of other demonstrations are scheduled for the day after the milestone number is reached.
"I hope that this milestone marks the point when the American people realize the U.S. military is not going to stop the violence in Iraq, and they instead start demanding a political solution to this problem," Sean O'Neill, a U.S. Marine who served in Iraq, said in a statement.
'HUMAN COST OF A LIE'
The American Friends Service Committee was helping coordinate activists to protest the Iraq war.
"On the day after the 2,000th reported U.S. military death in Iraq, people will gather in communities across the U.S. to say that the countries pro-peace majority wants Congress to stop the deaths by stopping the dollars that are funding the war," a coalition of anti-war groups said online at www.afsc.org.
Y2K Falcon
10-26-05, 09:18 AM
"I'm going to go to Washington, D.C. and I'm going to give a speech at the White House, and after I do, I'm going to tie myself to the fence and refuse to leave until they agree to bring our troops home..."
"And I'll probably get arrested, and when I get out, I'll go back and do the same thing," she said.
YEEEAAAAAARRRGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nazgul
10-26-05, 09:40 AM
Hopefully the DC cops feel the need to taze her and we get it on video. :)
DVD Polizei
10-26-05, 09:41 AM
I'm officially declaring Cindy Sheehan a mental case.
Nazgul
10-26-05, 09:47 AM
I'm officially declaring Cindy Sheehan a mental case.
It took you this long?
maxfisher
10-26-05, 09:53 AM
It seems kind of sick to me that people would plan a protest around reaching the '2,000 dead' mark. Picturing a bunch of people watching the death toll creep higher, anxiously awaiting their big day of protest at the White House makes my stomach turn. And this is from someone who's against the war.
Tommy Ceez
10-26-05, 09:54 AM
Cindy's a bigger problem for Hillary than for George, so the press will be muted.
DVD Polizei
10-26-05, 09:56 AM
It took you this long?
I think it was because I continually see this thread.
cpgator
10-26-05, 11:48 AM
What would be the problem with just letting her stay chained to the fence? Sounds like a good solution to me! :)
Brent L
10-26-05, 12:30 PM
Since she's obviously brain dead, I say let her be chained to the fence, but we should refuse to let anyone bring her any food or water. It would only be the humane thing to do. ;)
Thor Simpson
10-26-05, 12:31 PM
Well, the only problem is that there are a lot of nutcases out there and only so much fence. :(
Brent L
10-26-05, 12:32 PM
Then build more fences I say!
nemein
10-28-05, 08:45 AM
For those Cindy watchers out there she gave a speech at the Press Club this morning, just listening to her there's a person in alot of pain and confusion. The two main things that stick out are:
- The accusation of "baby killer" has resurfaced
- She's going to pled not guilty to the ticket from the incident above in an attempt "to put the war on trial" (her words)
There was also the usual accusation of war criminal, that the State Dept no longer exists and is part of the "War Dept" now, also a lot of misinformation about the lead up to the war (for instance stating Joe Wilson returned from overseas and stated Iraq didn't have WMD :confused: ) and the war itself (stating that it took 4 years to reach the 2k death level in Vietnam as compared to only 2.5 in Iraq, never mind the troops levels are no where near comparable) and of course the call for impeachment.
BTW for those interested though there is a The World Can't Wait! Drive Out the Bush Regime! national campaign/movement http://www.worldcantwait.org/ that is going to start major action/protests/strikes/etc starting 2 Nov. Stay tuned... looks like things are about to get rockus ;)
Nazgul
10-28-05, 09:15 AM
For those Cindy watchers out there she gave a speech at the Press Club this morning, just listening to her there's a person in alot of pain and confusion. The two main things that stick out are:
- The accusation of "baby killer" has resurfaced
- She's going to pled not guilty to the ticket from the incident above in an attempt "to put the war on trial" (her words)
There was also the usual accusation of war criminal, that the State Dept no longer exists and is part of the "War Dept" now, also a lot of misinformation about the lead up to the war (for instance stating Joe Wilson returned from overseas and stated Iraq didn't have WMD :confused: ) and the war itself (stating that it took 4 years to reach the 2k death level in Vietnam as compared to only 2.5 in Iraq, never mind the troops levels are no where near comparable) and of course the call for impeachment.
BTW for those interested though there is a The World Can't Wait! Drive Out the Bush Regime! national campaign/movement http://www.worldcantwait.org/ that is going to start major action/protests/strikes/etc starting 2 Nov. Stay tuned... looks like things are about to get rockus ;)
I wonder if the lefties who viewed her as a hero a few weeks ago are ready to throw her under a bus? :)
DVD Polizei
10-28-05, 10:07 AM
Well, the only problem is that there are a lot of nutcases out there and only so much fence. :(
But which side of the fence are the normal people...
:eek:
Thor Simpson
10-28-05, 10:12 AM
But which side of the fence are the normal people...
I see your point. Clearly it's the ones attaching themselves to the fence that are "normal."
nemein
10-28-05, 10:56 AM
But which side of the fence are the normal people...
:eek:
Our side of course... well my side atleast, after this thread http://dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=442996 I'm not so sure about you anymore -ptth-
Tommy Ceez
10-28-05, 12:39 PM
But which side of the fence are the normal people...
:eek:
Not this side
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=442996
General Zod
10-28-05, 01:27 PM
Normal people work and have a life to live, they don't spend their days bitching and complaining and tying themselves to fences.
Myster X
10-28-05, 02:03 PM
still no a peep from the media about her Hillary bashing
jdodd
10-28-05, 02:36 PM
still no a peep from the media about her Hillary bashing
Then how do YOU know about it?
Tommy Ceez
10-28-05, 02:59 PM
Then how do YOU know about it?
She's currently tied to his fence in practice...he asked her on the way to pick up the morning paper
Thor Simpson
10-28-05, 02:59 PM
Then how do YOU know about it?
Someone had to sleep with her to find out. Their sacrifice will not be forgotten.
Goldblum
10-28-05, 04:48 PM
Someone had to sleep with her to find out. Their sacrifice will not be forgotten.
:lol:
Myster X
10-29-05, 12:01 AM
Her new pal. Both of them see things eye to eye.
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/nm/20051029/2005_10_28t090939_450x288_us_iran_israel.jpg
kvrdave
10-29-05, 01:48 AM
Still crazy after all these years
DVD Polizei
10-29-05, 01:53 AM
still no a peep from the media about her Hillary bashing
But. But. Fox News MUST have a story on this. If, not, you may have to reconsider your media overlords. :eek:
nemein
11-03-05, 11:03 AM
BTW for those interested though there is a The World Can't Wait! Drive Out the Bush Regime! national campaign/movement http://www.worldcantwait.org/ that is going to start major action/protests/strikes/etc starting 2 Nov. Stay tuned... looks like things are about to get rockus ;)
um... guess it wasn't as big as they were hoping for. Did anyone actually hear anything about any protests :hscratch:
Thor Simpson
11-03-05, 11:13 AM
Did she die on the white house fence?
DVD Polizei
11-03-05, 01:09 PM
Apparently she hasn't decided when she's going to do this.
Groucho
11-03-05, 01:10 PM
Did she actually tie herself to the white house, or is this another trademarked Misleading Subject Header?
Myster X
11-17-05, 02:11 PM
If you're still interested about Sheehan, here's an update.
WASHINGTON - Iraq War protester Cindy Sheehan and 26 other peace activists were found guilty Thursday of protesting without a permit near the White House.
They were each ordered to pay $75 in fines and court costs, but Sheehan's lawyer said he plans to appeal the verdict.
"We weren't demonstrating," Sheehan told reporters after the trial.
All the defendants contended they were trying to deliver petitions to the White House calling for an end to the war in Iraq on Sept. 26, but found no one willing to accept them.
"Our petitions were rejected like every request I have made of the president has been rejected," Sheehan said.
Sheehan, 48, of Berkeley, Calif., has tried repeatedly to meet with President Bush since her 24-year-old son, Casey, was killed in Iraq last year. She spent several weeks near the president's Crawford, Texas, ranch this summer, and plans to return there Thanksgiving week.
"I absolutely believe he has an obligation to meet with me," Sheehan said.
The defendants were among 300 people arrested by U.S. Park Police after they spent more than an hour on the Pennsylvania Avenue sidewalk north of the Executive Mansion. While some sat on the sidewalk, others chanted and sang songs. They were taken into custody after refusing police orders to leave.
"The actions they were taking were designed to attract attention," said U.S. District Magistrate Judge Alan Kay.
A federal regulation prohibits demonstrations without a required permit outside the White House by groups larger than 25 people.
"They were consciously violating the law for publicizing their case," Kay said.
Sheehan said she plans to take her peace activist message to Europe next month with stops in London and Madrid.
General Zod
11-17-05, 02:13 PM
Still room in Gitmo?
Myster X
11-27-05, 11:23 PM
Poor Cindy. :lol: Where are the fans?????
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20051126/i/r3949341609.jpg
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20051126/capt.txev10211261853.crawford_war_protest_txev102.jpg
Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan waits for people to show up at her book signing near President Bush's ranch on Saturday, Nov. 26, 2005 in Crawford, Texas.
Brent L
11-27-05, 11:26 PM
I can't even put into words how much I love those pictures.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
It would have been funny if George W. showed up while no one else was there, just for kicks.
Goldblum
11-28-05, 08:34 AM
I can't even put into words how much I love those pictures.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
It would have been funny if George W. showed up while no one else was there, just for kicks.
W should have asked Cindy if she has time to meet with him.
Thor Simpson
11-28-05, 09:46 AM
W should have asked Cindy if she has time to meet with him.
Nice.
I almost posted about that carved out stone dedicated to Cindy, but was too lazy to search for this thread. :)
General Zod
11-28-05, 12:01 PM
She needs to put out the "Free Beer!" sign.
Brent L
11-28-05, 12:09 PM
<i>Mod note: Even in jest "fixed" posts are no longer allowed in the Politcal forum. If you want to make a joke/comment quote the original as is and then add your joke/comment outside of the quoted section.
thx
nemein</i>
nemein
11-28-05, 12:16 PM
BrentLumkin "fixed" another post so I removed it and left the message as a reminder.
Brent L
11-28-05, 01:13 PM
She needs to put out the "Free Beer!" sign.
I say she needs to put out the "Free Hat" sign. :)
Nesbit
11-28-05, 01:19 PM
More people will come if they think she has punch and pie.
Goldblum
11-28-05, 01:28 PM
It looks like she has pictures of herself to autograph.
Thor Simpson
11-28-05, 02:35 PM
BrentLumkin "fixed" another post so I removed it and left the message as a reminder.
Thanks. I didn't even realize you posted the note right in his post. I need more coffee today.
Sheehan buys plot in Crawford with son's insurance money
By JACK DOUGLAS JR.
STAR-TELEGRAM STAFF WRITER
SHEEHANCRAWFORD -- As President Bush prepares to spend some vacation time at his ranch here, not all is peaceful within the peace movement that has doggedly criticized his war policies for the past year.
The Gold Star Families for Peace says on its Web site that its members will again flock to Crawford in August to protest Bush's wartime decisions. Leader Cindy Sheehan is again demanding to meet with the president -- a replay of a year ago -- garnering worldwide attention and making Sheehan, the mother of a fallen soldier, the most familiar face of anti-war protesters.
But Sheehan and Mark Mattlage, owner of the 1-acre property where protesters have been allowed to gather, have had a falling out over scheduling and increased costs for liability insurance.
So, Sheehan has purchased a 5-acre plot in Crawford, saying she did so with some of the insurance money she received after her son, Casey Sheehan, was killed in Iraq.
"We decided to buy property in Crawford to use until George's resignation or impeachment, which we all hope is soon for the sake of the world," Sheehan said in a newsletter, scheduled to be sent to her supporters today. "I can't think of a better way to use Casey's insurance money than for peace, and I am sure that Casey approves."
Now an official resident of Crawford, like Bush, Sheehan predicted in the newsletter that she and her supporters will "enjoy a cordial relationship with everyone."
The anti-war gathering in this tiny town, 20 miles west of Waco, is scheduled for Aug. 16 through Sept. 2. But there is a question about whether protesters will ever get within shouting distance of the president since he is scheduled to be at his ranch mainly during the first two weeks of August, before the protests get under way.
In an e-mail to the Star-Telegram, Sheehan called Mattlage's family "heroic" for "their contribution to the peace movement." Referring to the property used last year, she added: "We left them with a better property and one with amazing positive and peaceful energy."
Mattlage, who no longer lives near Crawford, said he is a registered Democrat but has not opposed Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq. He said he did not lend his land to the protesters for political reasons. Instead, Mattlage said, he was worried that someone would get hurt if anti-war advocates continued to assemble just off Prairie Chapel Road, leading up to the president's ranch.
"We're kind of peacemakers. We didn't want to see anybody get run over on that road ... and we knew nobody else would offer" land, Mattlage said.
He said he did not charge for the use of the land but did require the protest group to reimburse him for the cost of liability insurance, initially amounting to between $700 and $800. For subsequent gatherings, including Thanksgiving and then Easter, Crawford Peace House paid to put in electrical and water lines.
Mattlage said he had no idea so many Sheehan supporters would gather on his property, and he acknowledged some of what the protesters said about Bush and the U.S. in the war made him cringe.
"I did not want a Jane Fonda incident," he said, referring to the actress's 1972 visit to a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft camp that earned her the famous nickname "Hanoi Jane."
Despite some misgivings, the business relationship between Sheehan and Mattlage was friendly and, at times, jokingly flirtatious, according to an exchange of e-mails between the two, provided to the Star-Telegram by Mattlage.
The relationship began to sour somewhat, he said, when he recently learned on the group's Web site that protesters planned to return to Crawford in August. He said he did not agree to let them use the land at that time because it coincided with his family's plans to hunt doves. He said he also did not want Sheehan to use his property when Bush was at his ranch. "I just didn't want his vacation to be interrupted. It was out of respect for the president," Mattlage said.
He said he eventually agreed to let Gold Star Families for Peace use his land in August but only with the understanding that, because of the expected huge crowds, liability insurance costs were going to increase significantly to between $5,500 and $6,000. Mattlage said that, on the advice of his lawyer, he also told the protest group to sign a "hold harmless" agreement that would further free him of liability if something went wrong.
In a newsletter e-mailed to Mattlage and protest organizers on June 23, Sheehan told Mattlage, "I cannot in good faith accept the terms that you and your lawyers are holding us hostage with. ... I fear we will have to find alternatives to using your land ... "
Mattlage, in a phone interview, said Sheehan had initially agreed to pay the higher insurance costs. It made him mad, he said, when she later sent an e-mail to organizers suggesting he was holding her "hostage."
Mattlage sent his one-time friend an e-mail back that said, "You can go away now."
And Sheehan replied: "Okay. Bye."
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L Chabert Lover
07-28-06, 09:26 AM
What a looney bitch. I hope the Secret Service is watching her well. She's so far gone it wouldn't surprise me if she tried to pull a Squeaky Fromme.
Thor Simpson
07-28-06, 10:06 AM
Just when I thought August was going to be boring. :banana:
Is it legal to buy a property through a third person like this? Although I guess that the property was bought in that third persons name and then he will just turn around and do another transaction right to sheehan.
Is it legal to lie and make statements like "I am a Katrina victim" when buying a property. I would think that when the sellers heard that the person wanting the property was a Katrina victim they probably were a little more inclined to sell to that buyer. if I had a choice between two buyers I might want to help out somebody that had been in that type of situation. I might also be inclined to be a little bit easier on the price and not really hold out for that last few K in dollars if I thought that I was helping somebody that had been hurt by the hurricane. Does something like that count as fraud? Or are you allowed to lie your ass off when negotiating a real estate deal?
Saturday, August 12, 2006; Posted: 7:06 a.m. EDT (11:06 GMT)
WACO, Texas (AP) -- Anti-war demonstrator Cindy Sheehan was hospitalized Friday evening for dehydration and exhaustion after fasting for more than a month and protesting earlier this week in 100-degree weather, friends and relatives said.
Sheehan was listed in stable condition at Providence Health Center in Waco. Brenda Mauk, a nursing supervisor, declined to release additional information.
Sheehan, 49, was hospitalized after friends picked her up Friday afternoon at the Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport, where she arrived after spending several days in Seattle at the Veterans for Peace convention, said friend Tiffany Burns.
Sheehan, who has been on a liquid diet as part of the nationwide "Troops Home Fast" hunger strike, had been treated and released from a Seattle emergency room Thursday night. On doctors' orders, she ate for the first time in about 37 days, Burns said.
classicman2
08-12-06, 08:45 AM
Sheehan is becoming mainstream in her position on the War in Iraq.
Thor Simpson
08-12-06, 09:05 AM
Oh no. They let this woman loose in Seattle?! I was planning on going out today. :(
Nazgul
08-12-06, 11:10 AM
Sheehan is becoming mainstream in her position on the War in Iraq.
:lol:
MartinBlank
08-12-06, 06:18 PM
Sheehan is becoming mainstream in her position on the War in Iraq.
Or is the mainstream becoming Cindy Sheehan?
exm
08-14-06, 03:52 PM
Sheehan is becoming mainstream in her position on the War in Iraq.
:helpme:
General Zod
08-14-06, 03:55 PM
Sheehan is becoming mainstream in her position on the War in Iraq.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/general_zod/run.gif
bhk
08-24-06, 09:30 PM
http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/3713706.html
Sheehan Undergoes Surgery In Waco
August 23, 2006)—Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan was recovering Wednesday at Providence Health Center in Waco after undergoing a hysterectomy on Tuesday.
.....
In an article titled "Atrocities Performed Upon Women in the Name of Science," Dr. John R. Christopher observes: "The hysterectomy was originally performed upon women to cure them of hysteria." It seems some people still have backward ideas about women's health.
It's election season. Can I get an update, or have the moderate democrats finally captured this woman?
DVD Polizei
10-08-06, 11:07 AM
She was in SE Portland a few days ago. And she seemed more moderate and toned-down, actually.
Nazgul
10-08-06, 11:15 AM
She was in SE Portland a few days ago. And she seemed more moderate and toned-down, actually.
Quaaludes?
Tommy Ceez
10-10-06, 10:07 AM
Quaaludes?
Hystorectomy, apparently
General Zod
10-12-06, 05:04 PM
The president's most vocal critic against the war in Iraq was in the Capitol City Wednesday night.
Cindy Sheehan was at BookPeople on Lamar & 6th Street signing autographs for her new book entitled "Peace Mom".
Sheehan's son, Casey Sheehan died while on patrol in Iraq on April 4th, 2005.
“Whether you agree with it or not I think we should all be reading books by the families of people who've loss their sons and daughters in this war,” said Turk Pipkin who was buying one of Sheehan’s books.
His mother bought a house in Crawford where she and her supporters often protests near President George Bush's ranch.
"What I really hope to do with it is to inspire people to do what they can to make the world a better place and to let them know that one person really can make a difference," Cindy Sheehan.
Sheehan also announced at the signing that she's a finalist for a Nobel Peace Prize. :lol:
kvrdave
10-12-06, 05:18 PM
:lol: We made jokes about that.
Thor Simpson
10-12-06, 05:48 PM
Is that "Peace Prize" or "Piece Prize" :confused:
'Cause I'll admit she's a real piece of work.
IMRICKJAMES
10-12-06, 06:30 PM
her being a finalist for the Nobel Peace Prize is probably the single most ridiculous thing I've ever heard about. I want to know who nominated her because it was probably some liberal nutjob from a tiny European country that just hates Bush to death.
Anyways, just in general, aren't finalists for the Nobel Peace Prize suppose to actually do something in the name of forwarding peace...not just be crazy, angry bitches?
Goldblum
10-12-06, 07:04 PM
her being a finalist for the Nobel Peace Prize is probably the single most ridiculous thing I've ever heard about.
Not really. She'd fit right in with the other winners. Arafat, anyone?
flagstone
10-13-06, 07:07 AM
Looks like she missed out this year (http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1492637.ece).
General Zod
10-13-06, 12:56 PM
The thing about it that cracked me up is that they NEVER announce who was a "finalist". Also getting nominated for a peace prize is nothing - just about anyone can be nominated . Any science, history, philosphy, law, theology profeesor, judge, legislator in any country can nominate anyone from a Nobel peace prize. I just find it funny she thinks she's all that when most people think she's just a complete loon.
Thor Simpson
10-13-06, 01:02 PM
I just find it funny she thinks she's all that when most people think she's just a complete loon.
As long as other loons keep beating her drum, why should she care what the zionist conspiring murderous pig population thinks? She probably would have won the Nobel prize if it wasn't for all the zionist conspiring murderous pigs on the panel.
Goldberg74
12-28-06, 07:36 PM
From CNN:
"[Sheehan] told us if you want us to get out of the road, you're going to have to arrest us," Mange said. "So we did."
Buy: