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Pointyskull
08-29-05, 10:40 AM
Weather Channel is reporting a levee breach...that would NOT be good!


"Cryin' won't help you, prayin' won't do you no good,
Now, cryin' won't help you, prayin' won't do you no good,
When the levee breaks, mama, you got to move."

NotThatGuy
08-29-05, 10:44 AM
Down here in FL....it is on all of the local news channels. Is it as well covered in other areas of the country?

ANDREMIKE
08-29-05, 10:47 AM
Wher Are All Of The Pics???!!!

mikehunt
08-29-05, 10:49 AM
Maybe Molly unplugged his internet connection.

Vague DS9 references aside, I hope to GOD that he gets some caffeine! Please God get that crew some caffeine! I can't believe he's working without it? The humanity!

double strong double sweet

I love that he's normally the space/science corespondent.

Th0r S1mpson
08-29-05, 10:54 AM
msnbc is reporting that bush will free up some oil reserves
So it's official then: troops will be going in to Venezuela.

Y2K Falcon
08-29-05, 10:56 AM
Wher Are All Of The Pics???!!!
I'm trying to help out until we can hear from the whoppas and Rangers of the world...

If anyone wants me to stop, I will.... :sad:


http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/2841/captladm11408291538hurricaneka.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
I think this looks worse than it really is, as I thought there was a "teflon coating" on the outside that is not part of the structural integrity of the building per se, if I heard right this morning...


EDITED TO ADD:

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/5309/captladm11808291557hurricaneka.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Well, that looks a little worse. :(

Th0r S1mpson
08-29-05, 10:58 AM
Down here in FL....it is on all of the local news channels. Is it as well covered in other areas of the country?
No. The coverage SUCKS here. But you're in FL... I guess I can see why your coverage would be more thorough on this subject.

Red Dog
08-29-05, 11:05 AM
Who cares about the Superdome? The more distressing report comes from FOX News: the Rick's Cabaret sign was seen blowing down Bourbon Street. :(

El Scorcho
08-29-05, 11:10 AM
Fill us in on Rick's Cabaret (those of us who've never been to NO, that is)

al_bundy
08-29-05, 11:11 AM
luckily i sold my shares in rick's 2 weeks ago

ChiTownAbs, Inc
08-29-05, 11:12 AM
it's a strip club. i think it's in the middle of bourbon street.

Gil Jawetz
08-29-05, 11:16 AM
I'm trying to help out until we can hear from the whoppas and Rangers of the world...

If anyone wants me to stop, I will.... :sad:


http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/2841/captladm11408291538hurricaneka.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
I think this looks worse than it really is, as I thought there was a "teflon coating" on the outside that is not part of the structural integrity of the building per se, if I heard right this morning...


EDITED TO ADD:

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/5309/captladm11808291557hurricaneka.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Well, that looks a little worse. :(

I think we all got that sinking feeling when they said they were going to pack people into the Superdome. I hope it holds...

Nosmo Rex
08-29-05, 11:17 AM
We have a plant in Newton, MS. They just called to say they're shutting down the plant and offices till the storm passes.

raven56706
08-29-05, 11:20 AM
wow..... anyone from the effected areas.... please give us an update.

Th0r S1mpson
08-29-05, 11:21 AM
I think we all got that sinking feeling when they said they were going to pack people into the Superdome. I hope it holds...
While it will obviously be expensive to repair, I don't think there's any reason to think there will be damage significant enough to harm the people inside at this point.

When the storm clears and the winds cease, we'll have a better idea of the real scope of loss... and the Superdome will seem insignificant at that point.

Gil Jawetz
08-29-05, 11:22 AM
While it will obviously be expensive to repair, I don't think there's any reason to think there will be damage significant enough to harm the people inside at this point.

When the storm clears and the winds cease, we'll have a better idea of the real scope of loss... and the Superdome will seem insignificant at that point.

I was just worried about chunks of roof falling in. It doesn't seem to be completely safe at this point and I'd imagine a lot more storm is coming.

sfsdfd
08-29-05, 11:23 AM
Yup. They're talking about potentially a million people rendered homeless. Probably overdramatic fluff, but even if you cut it down by an order of magnitude, that's an amazing economic disaster.

- David Stein

Th0r S1mpson
08-29-05, 11:27 AM
I was just worried about chunks of roof falling in. It doesn't seem to be completely safe at this point and I'd imagine a lot more storm is coming.
I hear ya. I think they moved everyone to the other side of the building from the hole a while ago, and some are taking shelter under the concrete reinforced areas. I think they'll be fine in there. But man... it takes a serious storm to rip that roof apart like that.

I'll be heading up the the mountains for the day. I'm scared at the thought of what pictures will be coming in when I return tonight. My prayers are with you guys down there.

DarkElf
08-29-05, 11:27 AM
From my Stratfor intelligence briefing I get in email, for those who might be interested. It's about an hour+ old.

Hurricane Katrina: Crunch Time

Hurricane Katrina continues to rage over southern Louisiana. The storm already has left the primary oil and natural gas production regions and is assaulting the mainland itself.

First, the good news. An 11th hour burst of relatively dry air succeeded in taking (a touch of) the wind out of Katrina's sails. In technical terms, this means the storm has been downgraded to a Category 3 hurricane; however, as of 10 a.m. local time, 100 mile-per-hour winds are still hitting New Orleans.

Another small bit of good information is that the storm did shift course to the east in the early hours of Aug. 29 and is traveling due north. Though parts of New Orleans will still be in the "eyewall" -- the most dangerous part of the storm -- the city itself seems posed to just barely avoid a direct hit. As of 9:30 a.m. local time, Katrina's eye was even with New Orleans on an east-west axis

Very soon, the focus will shift from stunned awe at Mother Nature's raw power to the dreary and painstaking work of damage assessment and repair. The storm passed directly over the Mississippi River's mouth, raising the prospect that the main channel has shifted. Such a development would delay the reopening of the river until the channel could be resurveyed and likely dredged. Depending on the silting, that could take a few hours -- or a few weeks. Add in damage to critical energy infrastructure and initial damage estimates, before a single assessor has put foot on soggy Louisianan ground, are at a floor of $30 billion.

It is difficult to predict the damage -- and impossible to underestimate the significance -- of what the United States faces. The city of New Orleans, the Port of South Louisiana and Port Fourchon combined serve as the hub of trade and energy collection and distribution for the middle third of the country. All have been hit -- and hit badly. But, for a few hours, we will not know specifically how badly.

Which means that we are now in the realm of logistics, and if what few scattered reports out of New Orleans are correct, there will be few people available to do the work necessary to repair the damage.

The northwest quadrant of the hurricane is currently whipping waves south and southwest across Lake Pontchartrain. With storm surges expected to hit as high as 20 feet -- before the waves are taken into account -- the expectations are that water is already gushing across the northern levees protecting New Orleans from the Mississippi. Needless to say, no one is standing on said levees reporting live. The world will have to wait a couple of hours until winds drop back into the double digits before a few brave souls can venture out and assess how bad a shape the city is in -- particularly whether the levees held at all.

That remains the question. In addition to the humanitarian disaster -- there are scattered reports that several evacuation centers have sustained heavy damage -- there is at least one report of a barge breaking free of its moorings. Should it strike the levee in the current conditions, the rupture would put the viability of the city in doubt. At present, there is at least one report that one levee has been breached already, although it is not clear if the barge caused the breach.

Assuming that all were well in the world and that the New Orleans pump system were safe above water (it is not), operating at full capacity the city could drain itself in three weeks. A more likely figure is six months. If New Orleans is out of the equation, then repair efforts will need to be based from further inland at a slow pace and higher cost. The next few days will be a race against time to get everything in working order again. What is not clear at this point is whether there will even be a city from which to base the effort.

Gil Jawetz
08-29-05, 11:28 AM
Not the most illustrative shot, but the only one I've seen from inside the Superdome:

http://img333.imageshack.us/img333/3651/storysuperdome2ap0ih.jpg

Th0r S1mpson
08-29-05, 11:32 AM
Thanks for that update, DarkElf...

Red Dog
08-29-05, 11:35 AM
Yup. They're talking about potentially a million people rendered homeless. Probably overdramatic fluff, but even if you cut it down by an order of magnitude, that's an amazing economic disaster.

- David Stein


For the insurance companies, maybe. For the builders and lenders, I think not. ;)

Y2K Falcon
08-29-05, 11:41 AM
11:16 a.m.: Reports Of Building Collapse On West Bank
New Orleans-area emergency officials say they can't reach a building blown down by Hurricane Katrina. Residents of the building on the Mississippi's west bank called 911 to say people might be trapped in the building. The storm's powerful wind and rain are making a mess in the city. In one downtown area, waters cover the first-floor of some buildings, and highway off-ramps from Interstate 10 resemble boat ramps leading down into a lake. But dire predictions of catastrophic flooding appear to have been overstated.

On historic Jackson Square in the French Quarter, two huge oak trees toppled outside the 278-year-old St. Louis Cathedral. They fell on either side of a marble statue of Jesus Christ, snapping off just a thumb and forefinger on his outstretched hand. -- Associated Press
http://www.nbc5.com/news/4908558/detail.html

raven56706
08-29-05, 11:51 AM
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050829/capt.ladm11508291549.hurricane_katrina_ladm115.jpg?x=380&y=264&sig=Zpfz_kCNv9fPStA0TX.m6g-- http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/nm/20050829/mdf47112.jpg? http://www.foxnews.com/photo_essay/photoessay_565_images/082905_katrina18.jpg http://www.foxnews.com/photo_essay/photoessay_565_images/082905_katrina15.jpg http://www.foxnews.com/photo_essay/photoessay_565_images/082905_katrina16.jpg http://www.foxnews.com/photo_essay/photoessay_565_images/082905_katrina14.jpg http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050829/capt.ladm12208291644.hurricane_katrina_ladm122.jpg?x=262&y=345&sig=fuHSg6owlMJo92_WhsvPAg--


wow

Sdallnct
08-29-05, 11:54 AM
For the insurance companies, maybe. For the builders and lenders, I think not. ;)

And don't forget your taxes! If people cannot live in their homes due to flood, flood does not cover the cost to live elsewhere. Which means people will be going to FIMA and FIMA gets it's money from....well you get the idea.

One of the issues that will have to be recognized is that overall La is a very poor state and many people will not have insurance or enough insurance. That mean low interest loans from the government.

Th0r S1mpson
08-29-05, 11:55 AM
-eek-

Sdallnct
08-29-05, 11:55 AM
They are reporting that people are moving to their attic's and roofs as the watter rises. They are telling people to take an axe or other tools with you if you go to your attic so you won't be trapped. That you may have to tear through your roof to get out!

Sdallnct
08-29-05, 11:59 AM
Jim Cantore on the Weather Channel reporting between 27 and 37 FOOT surge where he is at. Such a big range as the water is so high, he can't tell just how high!

Y2K Falcon
08-29-05, 12:05 PM
Reportedly "60 holes in the SuperDome roof", 10,000 folks moved to the "ramp area" of the Dome.



Also reports that debris is "littering the streets of New Orleans". (I'd imagine it smells less like urine than usual, for a short time)

Some morans are leaving the shelters to try and go home. -ohbfrank-

90mph winds in Biloxi.

wildcatlh
08-29-05, 12:08 PM
At least the worst is over for the coastal folks and the New Orleans folks and things will progressively get better.

1 PM update had it inland as a category 2 with top sustained winds of 105 MPH. Will probably be a tropical storm by the 7 PM update or so.

FEMA confirmed a 37 foot storm surge in the area where Jim Cantore is (on that note, wherever he sits seems to be where the worst of the storm is. Every time.), which is the biggest recorded in US history.

This proves how much a 20-30 mile jog east made a difference, because without that jog that 37 foot storm surge is over New Orleans.

Y2K Falcon
08-29-05, 12:12 PM
Is the worst truly over for NO? Won't all the rain as the storm moves north be flowing back south down the Mississippi?

leepyswetr
08-29-05, 12:14 PM
On historic Jackson Square in the French Quarter, two huge oak trees toppled outside the 278-year-old St. Louis Cathedral. They fell on either side of a marble statue of Jesus Christ, snapping off just a thumb and forefinger on his outstretched hand. -- Associated Press :(

http://pressurecooker.phil.cmu.edu/Jesus/buddy.jpg

Tracer Bullet
08-29-05, 12:20 PM
Fox News clip of Geraldo interviewing a guy on a New Orleans street:

It was Shepherd Smith, not Geraldo. :(

Mopower
08-29-05, 12:21 PM
It was Shepherd Smith, not Geraldo. :(

Ha! Shep's a tool.

raven56706
08-29-05, 12:21 PM
how can you confuse the two

nevermind
08-29-05, 12:22 PM
It was Shepherd Smith, not Geraldo. :(
damn :sad:

Still, a well deserved smack-down, even if it was only the second biggest asshole in cable news.

nevermind
08-29-05, 12:23 PM
how can you confuse the two

Walking into a room listening to O&A talk about Fox News letting a f-bomb go on live tv. They played the clip & it sounded more like Geraldo than Shepard to me. It did not sound like Shepard at all.

Maybe it was all the wind in the microphone :D

General Zod
08-29-05, 12:35 PM
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/afp/20050829/capt.sge.ctk99.290805123650.photo02.photo.default-384x267.jpg?x=380&y=264&sig=gzYE2IgfGSgpzd929LCT0w--
Looks like Bush is getting his weather information from Dick Cheney TV..

ChiTownAbs, Inc
08-29-05, 12:37 PM
60 holes in the Superdome ... damn.

I wonder if the Saints will play there at all this season.

wildcatlh
08-29-05, 12:41 PM
Have a strong feeling that at least the first half of the season's home games for the Saints will end up being played somewhere like LSU's home stadium... just for structural repairs to be made to the Superdome's roof.

All pretty incredible and awe-inspiring. And it's amazing to think this could've been 100x worse.

Red Dog
08-29-05, 12:42 PM
60 holes in the Superdome ... damn.

I wonder if the Saints will play there at all this season.


I'm guessing they will have to play at least a few games elsewhere - probably in Baton Rouge at LSU's stadium.

Myster X
08-29-05, 12:44 PM
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/afp/20050829/capt.sge.ctk99.290805123650.photo02.photo.default-384x267.jpg?x=380&y=264&sig=gzYE2IgfGSgpzd929LCT0w--
Looks like Bush is getting his weather information from Dick Cheney TV..

You should not post that pic. ;)
I'll be a matter of time before someone berates him for just sitting there. It's a reminiscent of the same 9/11 pic when he was sitting in the classroom reading to school children.

ANDREMIKE
08-29-05, 12:46 PM
why would people climb into their attics? Thats a death sentance if the water gets to high... Hopefully they do have a saw or an axe.

sfsdfd
08-29-05, 12:47 PM
I'll be a matter of time before someone berates him for just sitting there.
...or Photoshops an upside-down version of My Pet Goat into his hands. ;)

- David Stein

ChiTownAbs, Inc
08-29-05, 12:48 PM
why would people climb into their attics? Thats a death sentance if the water gets to high... Hopefully they do have a saw or an axe.

I realize these people aren't the brightest blub in the pack, but maybe they're trying to get to the roof??

VinVega
08-29-05, 12:48 PM
Bush Weighs Tapping Strategic Oil Reserve (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050829/ap_on_go_pr_wh/katrina_bush)
By JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press Writer
11 minutes ago

EL MIRAGE Ariz. - President Bush, urging prayer for Gulf Coast communities "hit hard" Monday by Hurricane Katrina, weighed whether to release oil from petroleum reserves to help refiners, administration officials said.

"I want the folks there on our Gulf Coast to know that the federal government is prepared to help you when the storm passes," Bush said during a Medicare speech at an RV resort here. "In the meantime America will pray, pray for the health and the safety of all our citizens."

The storm already forced the shutdown of an estimated 1 million barrels of refining capacity along the nation's Gulf Coast.

Administration officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly, said Bush seemed likely to authorize a loan of some oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. But details remained in flux and no decision was imminent, they said.

The expected move would be designed to give refineries in the area a temporary supply of crude oil to take the place of interrupted shipments from tankers or offshore oil platforms affected by the storm. It would not be intended to keep a lid on soaring gasoline prices.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan, speaking with reporters aboard Air Force One as the president flew from his Texas ranch to Arizona, said the Energy Department was still assessing the situation before making a recommendation on the reserve.

"Obviously, the Strategic Petroleum Reserve is there for emergency situations, and that would include natural disasters," McClellan said. "But it's just too early to know at this point."

In 2004, the president authorized loans from the reserve to help refiners make up for missing supplies when Hurricane Ivan struck.

Meanwhile, Bush got two briefings Monday on the powerful storm from Michael Brown, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, McClellan said.

"Our Gulf Coast is getting hit and hit hard," Bush said. "I urge the citizens there in the region to continue to listen to the local authorities. Don't abandon your shelters until you're given clearance by the local authorities. Take precautions because this is a dangerous storm."

Among other things, the president verbally made emergency disaster declarations for Louisiana and Mississippi Monday morning. The difference between these declarations and ones over the weekend was that the declarations of Monday allow for the drawdown of federal funds in disaster relief and recovery

A Department of Energy spokesman said the U.S. government was in touch with oil companies in the region and that a decision on whether to release oil from emergency stockpiles would likely be made in the next day or two.

The government's supply of nearly 700 million barrels of oil is stored in underground salt caverns along the Texas and Louisiana Gulf Coast.

The reserve was established to cushion oil markets during energy disruptions.

The administration was considering what it calls an "exchange" of oil.

After Hurricane Ivan struck the Gulf of Mexico in September 2004, the administration loaned about 5.4 million barrels of crude oil from the reserve to five companies. It was repaid by April 2005.

Sen. Charles Schumer (news, bio, voting record), D-N.Y., who was pushing the White House to dip into the reserve even before Hurricane Katrina hit to help bring down gas prices, said, "If there was ever a time for the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to be tapped, it would be now."

Also, the Defense Department dispatched emergency coordinators to Alabama, Florida, Louisiana and Mississippi, and they were prepared to provide a wide range of assistance to the states, including communications equipment, search and rescue operations, medical teams and other emergency supplies.

Pentagon spokesman Lawrence Di Rita said the states have adequate National Guard units to handle the hurricane needs, with at least 60 percent of the guard available in each state. He said 65 percent or about 6,500 National Guard troops were available in Louisiana; 60 percent or about 7,000 troops in Mississippi; 77 percent or nearly 10,000 in Alabama, and 74 percent of about 8,200 in Florida.

Di Rita said the Air Force has moved some aircraft.

The First U.S. Army, based at Fort Gillem near Atlanta, has 1,600 National Guard troops that were there training to go to Iraq, and they will be available to assist the states or evacuate Camp Shelby in Mississippi, if necessary.

First Army spokesman Col. Richard Steele said they expect emergency response requests will start coming in from the states after the storm passes. The most likely initial request, he said, would be for satellite phones and other communications equipment.

VinVega
08-29-05, 12:55 PM
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7430/katrina4io.jpg

mikehunt
08-29-05, 01:06 PM
Have a strong feeling that at least the first half of the season's home games for the Saints will end up being played somewhere like LSU's home stadium... just for structural repairs to be made to the Superdome's roof.

All pretty incredible and awe-inspiring. And it's amazing to think this could've been 100x worse.

not just repairs, but shit and urine clean up
those toilets can't be working with the city getting flooded

dadaluholla
08-29-05, 01:22 PM
I am honestly surprised I have yet to see new colored wristbands or magnetic car ribbons available for this tragedy.

Ranger
08-29-05, 01:24 PM
Well, I'm still here, I just slept pretty well last night. Looking from the window, it actually looks kind of sunny with a few clouds. I'll see I can go outside and check things out.

NotThatGuy
08-29-05, 01:25 PM
I am honestly surprised I have yet to see new colored wristbands or magnetic car ribbons available for this tragedy.


SHH!!!!

I am/was going to make MILLIONS selling beads with cheap crap on them to help fund my "Bring Back The Boobs" campaign....which is a fund to buy beer and shots in local N.O...to help spur tourism.

B.A.
08-29-05, 01:32 PM
I was on I-255 around noon and there was a wagon-train of about 15-20 service trucks from an electrical company in Decatur headed southbound.

Hooray Electricity! :beer:



But seriously - I hope all of our fellow Gulf-Coast Otters are alright. I remember living threw a few hurricane seasons as a kid and it was teh suck.

Mad Dawg
08-29-05, 01:37 PM
60 holes in the Superdome ... damn.

I wonder if the Saints will play there at all this season.

Probably doesn't matter. They usually only put in half a season anyway. :(

Maxflier
08-29-05, 01:49 PM
I decided to play it safe and evac last night(sleeping in the car is fun:rolleyes: ) around 11:30 since I live in a mobile home and did not want to take any chances. Just made it home and didn't get any damage at all, didn't even lose power for that matter,although my front door was wide open :wtf:. The shift to the east kept us out of harms way since i live about 70 miles west of N.O.But this storm sure as hell put the fear of God in me.I just hope you other guys in the Crescent City come out ok :fc:.

Y2K Falcon
08-29-05, 01:52 PM
Ranger - Check
Maxflier - Check






Anybody seen big whoppa??? -eek-

Mad Dawg
08-29-05, 02:22 PM
Oh crap. Supposedly bad flooding in Kenner, LA, which is where my sister and brother-in-law live. :( At least they're safe in MS.

Sdallnct
08-29-05, 03:15 PM
I was on I-255 around noon and there was a wagon-train of about 15-20 service trucks from an electrical company in Decatur headed southbound.

Hooray Electricity! :beer:



But seriously - I hope all of our fellow Gulf-Coast Otters are alright. I remember living threw a few hurricane seasons as a kid and it was teh suck.

Yup,

I have two conference calls this afternoon. I imagine many of us will hit the road by Thursday....

ChiTownAbs, Inc
08-29-05, 03:18 PM
Sdallnct -- do you work for FEMA? I could swear I remember your posts last year during the hurricanes.

Kittydreamer
08-29-05, 03:39 PM
We just had a huge hail storm and heavy rains this afternoon. As we watched our gutters overflow and our yard puddle with water, my husband put his arm around me and said "think about those poor people in NO, I feel really bad for them right now".

I hope everyone down in that part of the world is doing ok....

wildcatlh
08-29-05, 03:44 PM
5 PM update has this storm as a 75 MPH minimal hurricane... so it should be downgraded to tropical storm strength within another hour or so.

The wind is dying down, the storm is moving out, and now they're really going to be able to get out and see how bad it really is.

Trelach24
08-29-05, 04:04 PM
New Orleans is going to be so dirty and smelly after all this :(

Sdallnct
08-29-05, 04:14 PM
Sdallnct -- do you work for FEMA? I could swear I remember your posts last year during the hurricanes.

No but close. I work on the Catastrophe Team of a major insurance company. I'm not an adjuster, but sort of quality control of adjuster's and training of adjusters. Tho on events like this I might fill in a management roll or even something else. As I'm sure you can imagine during an even like this, titles sort of go out the window and we do whatever is needed.

Sdallnct
08-29-05, 04:16 PM
We just had a huge hail storm and heavy rains this afternoon. As we watched our gutters overflow and our yard puddle with water, my husband put his arm around me and said "think about those poor people in NO, I feel really bad for them right now".

I hope everyone down in that part of the world is doing ok....

How big was the hail? Pic's????

Sdallnct
08-29-05, 04:16 PM
New Orleans is going to be so dirty and smelly after all this :(

And that would be different then.....

Xanager
08-29-05, 04:18 PM
I'm down here in Jackson, MS. We've had plenty of strong winds and lots of rain, but not near was the coastal and eastern part of the state have seen. I had to go into class this morning, but got sent home around 10:00. So far the most damage I've seen is just because of things that people didn't secure. Lawn chairs, grills, etc rolling around the yards. No downed trees around my house yet, but it definitely isn't over. The past 30 minutes have been the worst weather all day, but hopefully it will start to die off soon.

Green Jello
08-29-05, 04:20 PM
Here's a better version of that one from inside the Superdome:

http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/8904/superdome4hl.jpg

ANDREMIKE
08-29-05, 04:20 PM
I am so dissapointed in the pics from this hurricane.. Where are all the pics?

El Scorcho
08-29-05, 04:32 PM
Here's a better version of that one from inside the Superdome:
http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/8904/superdome4hl.jpg

Hahahaha good one, that's a pic of a Saints game, you can tell by all the people in the stands napping.

(BTW, how come they wouldn't let people go onto the field and at least spread out during this hurricane?)

RoyalTea
08-29-05, 04:34 PM
Hahahaha good one, that's a pic of a Saints game, you can tell by all the people in the stands napping.

(BTW, how come they wouldn't let people go onto the field and at least spread out during this hurricane?)if there was a flood, the field would be covered in water.

sdcrym
08-29-05, 04:38 PM
And the owners of the stadium probably don't want people stomping around on the field, tearing it up.

General Zod
08-29-05, 04:41 PM
They should at least have had an exibition game so that people had something to watch..

El Scorcho
08-29-05, 04:46 PM
Good points, although it seems like getting as many people in the stadium and saving human life would be more important than protecting the field. Furthermore, at the first sign of flooding they could always move up into the stands.

And one other thing, every quote on the number of people I've seen has said "around 10,000" -- why not put more in there? That place obviously holds a shitload more.

Sdallnct
08-29-05, 04:48 PM
It is still early and computer models are not terribly reliable, but it does look like this could be the most costly storm in history (yes more then Andrew)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050829/bs_nm/weather_katrina_insurance_dc

Katrina may cost insurers $26 billion By Jonathan Stempel
Mon Aug 29, 2:34 PM ET

Hurricane Katrina may be the most expensive hurricane ever to hit the United States, costing insurers up to $26 billion, storm modelers said on Monday.

The storm may nevertheless prove less costly than some had feared because it weakened overnight and its eye veered slightly east of low-lying New Orleans, by far the most populous city in Katrina's path.

"We expect the bulk of damage to be wind-related, but there is significant flood risk to commercial insurers," said Thomas Larsen, senior vice president at one modeler, Eqecat Inc. of Oakland, California. "The track shifted east 25 miles, which relieved some pressure on New Orleans."

Air Worldwide Corp. of Boston estimated a $12 billion to $26 billion payout, just above Eqecat's $12 billion to $25 billion forecast. Risk Management Solutions Inc. of Newark, California estimated a $10 billion to $25 billion payout.

The higher estimates would make Katrina more costly than Hurricane Andrew, which resulted in $20.9 billion of claims, after adjusting for inflation, when it slammed into Florida in 1992, the Insurance Information Institute said.

Eqecat cut its forecast for Katrina from as high as $30 billion after the storm tracked east of New Orleans.

Katrina came ashore about 65 miles south-southeast of New Orleans as a Category 4 storm, with winds of 140 miles per hour, the National Hurricane Center said. Mississippi and Alabama were also battered.

Among insurers in afternoon trading, Allstate Corp. (NYSE:ALL - news) was off 88 cents to $57.07; Hartford Financial Services Group Inc. (NYSE:HIG - news) dropped 93 cents to $73.78, and St. Paul Travelers Cos. (NYSE:STA - news) fell 32 cents to $44.42.

Among shares of reinsurers, which provide insurance to insurers, Munich Re (MUVGn.DE) dipped 0.5 percent and Swiss Re (RUKN.VX) 0.4 percent in Europe.

HOMEOWNERS

While regulators often let insurers boost premiums after they make big payouts, Merrill Lynch & Co. analyst Jay Cohen in a report said that might not happen this time.

"Events that caused a shift in pricing in the past took insurers by surprise," he wrote. "Katrina does not appear to have such a surprising, unique nature to it."

It often takes days or weeks after a major storm to assess damage, and several insurers said it was too soon to estimate losses.

Katrina may have generated $2 billion in claims after tearing through Florida on Friday, analysts said. Insurers last year paid out $22.8 billion for four Florida hurricanes, the Insurance Information Institute said.

Bob Hartwig, the institute's chief economist, said payouts to homeowners may top those for business interruption, "given that the eye did not go over New Orleans."

Ray Stone, vice president of catastrophe operations at St. Paul, said: "A lot of people are breathing a little bit of a sigh of relief because it weakened slightly, and kept New Orleans on the weak side of the storm." St. Paul does not expect to be able to assess losses before Wednesday.

Andrew came ashore as a Category 5 storm, the most serious on the Saffir-Simpson scale. It caused about $26.5 billion of overall damage -- including damage not covered by insurance -- before inflation, U.S. government data show. Only three Category 5 storms have hit the United States.

"GOING TO BE BAD"

State Farm Mutual Automobile Insurance Co. is the largest insurer of homes in Louisiana and Mississippi. Spokesman Fraser Engerman said: "Once we get clearance from authorities, we'll begin assessing damage. We know it's going to be bad."

Allstate, American International Group Inc. (NYSE:AIG - news), the Louisiana Farm Bureau Mutual Insurance Co. and St. Paul are the next largest in Louisiana, while Mississippi Farm Bureau Mutual Insurance Co. and Allstate follow in Mississippi.

Risk Management Solutions said insured property in New Orleans and surrounding parishes totals more than $110 billion.

Allstate spokesman Bill Mellander said the largest publicly traded U.S. auto and home insurer is deploying claims adjusters near where it expects the worst damage.

Losses from the four Florida hurricanes nearly wiped out Allstate's third-quarter earnings last year.

Hartford adjusters are preparing to enter affected areas and may begin assessing damage within a week, company spokeswoman Victoria Gallant said. (Additional reporting by Chris Sanders and Dan Wilchins in New York and Douwe Miedema in Zurich)

Sdallnct
08-29-05, 04:50 PM
And one other thing, every quote on the number of people I've seen has said "around 10,000" -- why not put more in there? That place obviously holds a shitload more.

The impression I got was that this was a shelter of "last resort". That these were people who simply had no where else to go (no cars). I think they would have taken all that would have come.

ChiTownAbs, Inc
08-29-05, 04:53 PM
Good points, although it seems like getting as many people in the stadium and saving human life would be more important than protecting the field. Furthermore, at the first sign of flooding they could always move up into the stands.

And one other thing, every quote on the number of people I've seen has said "around 10,000" -- why not put more in there? That place obviously holds a shitload more.

I think that's all that took the city up on the offer of moving in there.

Michael T Hudson
08-29-05, 05:02 PM
No but close. I work on the Catastrophe Team of a major insurance company. I'm not an adjuster, but sort of quality control of adjuster's and training of adjusters. Tho on events like this I might fill in a management roll or even something else. As I'm sure you can imagine during an even like this, titles sort of go out the window and we do whatever is needed.


I work for Progressive in Austin and we had 200 people that came in today for the Catastrophe Team. I am not in claims but I saw a report today with the claims just for Florida and the number of claims is amazing. Scary what Mother Nature can do. I am just happy it changed directions and slowed down a little bit.

sdcrym
08-29-05, 05:13 PM
I'm about 2-3 hours north of the eye, but things are starting to pick up here. Some clouds are so close to the ground and are moving so quickly they look like smoke from a chimney.

I took some pics, but I can't find the damn cable for my camera.

Sdallnct
08-29-05, 05:20 PM
I work for Progressive in Austin and we had 200 people that came in today for the Catastrophe Team. I am not in claims but I saw a report today with the claims just for Florida and the number of claims is amazing. Scary what Mother Nature can do. I am just happy it changed directions and slowed down a little bit.

I'm on a conference call right now. Some of the initial numbers are pretty much unbelievable. They are even telling us when we get deployed to bring as many cases of water as will fit in our vehicals, and even like power bars and stuff. While on occasion I will throw in a case of water for my own use, in 10 years of doing nothing but Catastrophe they we have never told us to bring stuff like that. Of course they also said it could be 10 days or more before we can head that way (national guard is not going to let us in, flood waters, no hotels, etc.).

sdcrym
08-29-05, 05:27 PM
It's crazy how fast the direction of the wind can change. I can stand on my porch in relative safety watching the wind and rain blow by perpendicular to me, then all of a sudden it will all be blowing in my face. I wish I had more rain friendly clothing so I could walk around, at least for another hour or so.

Y2K Falcon
08-29-05, 05:50 PM
Get off your freakin' porch and find your cable before the power goes out. :grunt:

girlnextdoor
08-29-05, 06:05 PM
Don't know how this will be - not my computer, I don't have electricity


This is my front yard. The cones are blocking my street because at my neighbors house, a tree split. Half has fallen on their house and the other half is still blowing in the breeze.


[img=http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/118/cones3ua.th.jpg] (http://img310.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cones3ua.jpg)

girlnextdoor
08-29-05, 06:14 PM
This is just limbs and leaves down in my yard

[img=http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3600/limbs8ew.th.jpg] (http://img203.imageshack.us/my.php?image=limbs8ew.jpg)

Ranger
08-29-05, 06:14 PM
Okay, I'm back, just talked with my parents for a while and took them to the campus cafeteria (yes, the cafeteria is open today). My parents told me that the power was out all over Baton Rouge, apparently LSU's the only place that still has power (the back-up generators and the on-campus emergency crew rock!). They were just stopping by from their niece's house, which lost power as well. I think it could have been much worse, but I think it will still be some time before the power comes back on.

btw, about the pics, I slept through the storm so I couldn't take any good pics. Sorry. :o The campus is just a little messy with leaves on the sidewalk, but that's all the damage I could see.

El Scorcho
08-29-05, 06:16 PM
No cleavage pics in your yard, girlnextdoor? :(

girlnextdoor
08-29-05, 06:21 PM
This is a tarp that has been hanging at the end of my RV park for several years. It is in shreads

[img=http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/4601/bluecovers9ox.th.jpg] (http://img203.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bluecovers9ox.jpg)

girlnextdoor
08-29-05, 06:22 PM
No cleavage pics in your yard, girlnextdoor? :(


I am here with just my son - I have problems asking him to take pics of my cleavage.

Michael T Hudson
08-29-05, 06:22 PM
I'm on a conference call right now. Some of the initial numbers are pretty much unbelievable. They are even telling us when we get deployed to bring as many cases of water as will fit in our vehicals, and even like power bars and stuff. While on occasion I will throw in a case of water for my own use, in 10 years of doing nothing but Catastrophe they we have never told us to bring stuff like that. Of course they also said it could be 10 days or more before we can head that way (national guard is not going to let us in, flood waters, no hotels, etc.).

What company do you work for? Or you can send me a privae message if you do not want to post it in the main forum.

girlnextdoor
08-29-05, 06:24 PM
If the wind stops blowing for a few mins again - I will try to walk around to take pics of the tree on my neighbors house.

I live in Zachary, which is about 20 miles north of Baton Rouge. We are just now getting to a point where thre wind is not constant and the rain is pretty much gone.

al_bundy
08-29-05, 06:45 PM
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/afp/20050829/capt.sge.cwx39.290805230041.photo00.photo.default-272x384.jpg

Kittydreamer
08-29-05, 06:50 PM
I am here with just my son - I have problems asking him to take pics of my cleavage.

But why?

girlnextdoor
08-29-05, 07:27 PM
Just back from a walk around the block - this is my neighbors house

[img=http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/5164/tree2yn.th.jpg] (http://img380.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tree2yn.jpg)

atlantamoi
08-29-05, 07:30 PM
I'm watching unedited helicopter footage right now here at CNN of New Orleans and it's a big, fat mess in some areas. Fires and floods. I can't imagine what the video of Mississippi is going to look like from the air.

Michael T Hudson
08-29-05, 07:41 PM
Just back from a walk around the block - this is my neighbors house

[img=http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/5164/tree2yn.th.jpg] (http://img380.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tree2yn.jpg)



That is nuts. Glad you are OK.

Sdallnct
08-29-05, 08:13 PM
What company do you work for? Or you can send me a privae message if you do not want to post it in the main forum.

I'd really rather not say. Not because I not proud of who I work, I'm extremely proud of the company and have a lot of loyalty to them. And despite the fact that my ONLY job is dealing with disasters like this, I LOVE MY JOB (yes, I love helping people by giving them money to start getting their lives back together - and training others to do the same). But when I say things, particularly about the hurricane's or anything with insurance, I want be sure no one thinks it is "my company talking" or that I'm giving "official recommendations". I try to stick to general items and give general comments that can be found on any insurance companies public webs sites if you look long enough.

Plus DVDTalk is my time to sometimes be a "goof" and not wear a corporate hat, I don't want to ever have to "watch what I say" with you guys.

OK, so that was sort of long...now back to our continued coverage of the Hurricane.....

Dave99
08-29-05, 08:59 PM
WTF, is that an oil rig crashed into a bridge?

dave
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/afp/20050829/capt.sge.cwx39.290805230041.photo00.photo.default-272x384.jpg

al_bundy
08-29-05, 09:26 PM
unbelievable is it?

floated all the way into the bridge

El Scorcho
08-29-05, 09:36 PM
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050830/i/r1454060063.jpg?x=380&y=199&sig=vdt4WE60ayUYsrYFlGFabw--

Dolphin in the swimming pool at a hotel

TomOpus
08-29-05, 09:36 PM
Yeah, it's a floating oil rig that broke from it's mooring.

I'm surprise no one has snagged it for eBay :)

El Scorcho
08-29-05, 09:48 PM
Ebay auctions found searching "Hurricane Katrina":

HURRICANE KATRINA - Why Do Bad Things Happen? (http://cgi.ebay.com/HURRICANE-KATRINA-Why-Do-Bad-Things-Happen_W0QQitemZ4572127054QQcategoryZ378QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Tattoo my face for $20k (http://cgi.ebay.com/TATTOO-BIG-DADDY-IN-THE-HURRICANE-KATRINA-DISASTER_W0QQitemZ5609811202QQcategoryZ102333QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

I hurricane FL t-shirt (http://cgi.ebay.com/I-Hurricane-FL-Katrina-2005-Florida-T-Shirt-Storm_W0QQitemZ8329415552QQcategoryZ15687QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Hurricane Katrina NEW USB Powered NOTEBOOK TRAVEL LIGHT (http://cgi.ebay.com/Hurricane-Katrina-NEW-USB-Powered-NOTEBOOK-TRAVEL-LIGHT_W0QQitemZ5236554588QQcategoryZ31534QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

TomOpus
08-29-05, 09:54 PM
I like the T-shirt! :up:

RoyalTea
08-29-05, 10:16 PM
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050830/i/r1454060063.jpg?x=380&y=199&sig=vdt4WE60ayUYsrYFlGFabw--

Dolphin in the swimming pool at a hotelwow, it's pretty lucky that that dolphin washed ashore into a swimming pool!

Dave99
08-29-05, 10:29 PM
I can't fathom how unprepared some of these people are they are talking about on the news. Interviewing some guy who didn't have time to put on his shoes before he had to rush upstairs in his house before the storm surge came in. WTF? How many days notice do you need to maybe keep your shoes on?

Tragic considering the # of fatalities there will be (moreso than the florida hurricanes of the past few years), but damn use some basic common sense....

dave

Myster X
08-29-05, 11:41 PM
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/afp/20050829/capt.sge.cwx39.290805230041.photo00.photo.default-272x384.jpg

wtf?????? I'll bet the oil company is going to examine all the foundations on every oil rig after this.

ChiTownAbs, Inc
08-29-05, 11:46 PM
I can't fathom how unprepared some of these people are they are talking about on the news. Interviewing some guy who didn't have time to put on his shoes before he had to rush upstairs in his house before the storm surge came in. WTF? How many days notice do you need to maybe keep your shoes on?

Tragic considering the # of fatalities there will be (moreso than the florida hurricanes of the past few years), but damn use some basic common sense....

dave

Sorry to say this, but I hate it when I see helicopter rescues of people on their roofs. You had PLENTY of time to leave town. The local authorities begged you to leave town -- they set up local shelters for you to leave your home, yet you decided to stay.

Now your home is completely flooded and we have to WASTE money to save your sorry ass.

ChiTownAbs, Inc
08-29-05, 11:48 PM
wtf?????? I'll bet the oil company is going to examine all the foundations on every oil rig after this.

I want to see the story behind this oil barge. This is nuts.

mllefoo
08-29-05, 11:54 PM
Am I the only one who has had the Led Zeppelin song "When the Levee Breaks" in their head for the past two days?

ChiTownAbs, Inc
08-29-05, 11:55 PM
"drove my chevy to the levee, but the levee was dry...."

nemein
08-30-05, 05:25 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/katrina_glance;_ylt=An9fj1DFmTMN6YR5Ur3z5Iys0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

Katrina's Effects, at a Glance

By The Associated Press Mon Aug 29,11:28 PM ET

Hurricane Katrina's effects, at a glance:

LOUISIANA:

_After hitting Florida last week, Katrina strengthened to a Category 5 storm over the Gulf of Mexico but weakened slightly and came ashore early Monday as a Category 4 storm with wind of 145 mph.

_Near Lake Pontchartrain, entire neighborhoods of one-story homes were flooded up to the rooflines. Up to 20 feet of water was standing in one poor neighborhood on New Orleans' east side.

_An estimated 40,000 homes were flooded in St. Bernard Parish just east of New Orleans.

_A water main broke in New Orleans, making it unsafe to drink the city's water without first boiling it. Police made several arrests for looting.

_Authorities rescued dozens of people from rooftops and attics.

_The highest winds in New Orleans were estimated at about 100 mph.

_Evacuations: New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin ordered the entire city of 485,000 to evacuate. For those who couldn't, the city opened 10 shelters, including the Superdome. The mayor estimated that 80 percent of the city's residents had left.

_About 9,000 spent the night at the Superdome arena. Power failed, and three hours later the wind tore away metal and left two holes in the roof, one 15 to 20 feet long. Officials said the holes were not dangerous.

_Power outages: Some 370,000 customers in southeast Louisiana were estimated to be without power, but the number could end up much higher as authorities assess the damage.

MISSISSIPPI:

_Winds hit 135 mph as the storm pounded the Mississippi coast. Gulfport Fire Chief Pat Sullivan called it "a devastating hit." A 22-foot storm surge was recorded in Bay St. Louis. Gulfport Memorial Hospital in Biloxi experienced major damage.

• At least 53 people were killed. Jim Pollard, spokesman for the Harrison County emergency operations center, said 50 people were killed in his county, including 30 at an apartment complex in Biloxi.

• Debris was stacked 4 to 5 feet high in some places, covering cars.

_Evacuations: The Mississippi Emergency Management Agency said Monday that about 8,500 people were in 79 shelters.
American Red Cross shelters were filled to capacity.

_Several of Mississippi's beachfront casinos were flooded, but the scope of the damage was not immediately known.

_Power outages: Exact numbers were unclear, but more than 200,000 customers from just one utility lost power.

ALABAMA:

_The storm hammered Alabama's coast Monday with huge waves and tree-bending winds. Water swirled in the streets of Gulf Shores.

• Two people died in a wreck attributed to heavy rains from the storm.

• Stately homes in a well-to-do section of Mobile Bay were awash in brown baywater storming over docks and porches.

_Power outages: At least 400,000 homes and businesses were without power.

FLORIDA:

_Katrina hit the southern tip of Florida on Thursday as a Category 1 hurricane.

_Deaths: 11, according to state tally on South Florida strike.

_When the storm made landfall Monday in Louisiana, its fringes flooded streets in the Florida Panhandle and eroded beaches. Gusts of up to 59 mph reported.

_With Florida dodging the worst of the second hit, Gov.
Jeb Bush said "everything we got here that we don't need" would be made available to Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama.

_Damage: Initial computer modeling estimates pegged the insured wind damage from the first strike at $600 million to $2 billion.

_Power outages: At least 82,000 customers were without power.

WASHINGTON, D.C.:

President Bush pledged extensive assistance for victims. The government put into effect a massive emergency assistance program that included rushing baby formula, communications equipment, generators, water and ice into hard-hit areas.

TEXAS:

Evacuees from Louisiana took shelter in churches and hotels along Interstate 10 in Southeast Texas. Most of Houston's 58,000 hotel rooms were booked.

OUTLOOK:

The
National Hurricane Center projected Katrina would head north and turn toward the northeast, carrying its center through Tennessee, Kentucky and Ohio on Tuesday and Wednesday, then Ontario and possibly western New York state. In Tennessee, the entire middle third of the state was under either an inland tropical storm warning or watch.

GULF OF MEXICO:

Crude oil futures spiked to more than $70 a barrel for the first time Monday. Wholesale gasoline prices in the New York and Gulf Coast markets soared by 25-35 cents a gallon. Oil companies shut down 1 million barrels of refining capacity in the Gulf, but that amount could be far higher because not every producer reports data, said Peter Beutel, an oil analyst with Cameron Hanover.

QUOTE:

"Closed due to Katrina. Katrina Go Away." — A flashing sign at The Treasure Bay Casino in Biloxi, Miss.

mndtrp
08-30-05, 05:34 AM
Police made several arrests for looting.
Good to know that anything bad can be made worse by some inconsiderate pricks.

At least 53 people were killed. Jim Pollard, spokesman for the Harrison County emergency operations center, said 50 people were killed in his county, including 30 at an apartment complex in Biloxi.
Wow, that's pretty hardcore. 30 people all at once. Pretty unfortunate.

nevermind
08-30-05, 06:56 AM
Ok it was Sheppard Smith, and I found the clip, but IMO it's worthless. It's a crowd shot, not a one-on-one interview, so there is no facial expression reaction from anyone. If you want to see it click below (600kb wmv). I'm only leaving it up there for today.

Linky (http://www.dbjb.net/vids/myfb.wmv)

Mopower
08-30-05, 07:44 AM
wtf?????? I'll bet the oil company is going to examine all the foundations on every oil rig after this.


The mayor of Mobile said it was in dry dock on the river when the moorings broke and it floated down the river and hit the bridge. It wasn't carried in from the ocean or anything.

ViewAskewbian
08-30-05, 08:09 AM
Stay safe all you Otters in the eye and in this storm!

Sdallnct
08-30-05, 08:10 AM
"An estimated 40,000 homes were flooded in St. Bernard Parish just east of New Orleans."

:eek: I had to read that three time and still don't think it has sunk in.

Y2K Falcon
08-30-05, 08:55 AM
The mayor of Mobile said it was in dry dock on the river when the moorings broke and it floated down the river and hit the bridge. It wasn't carried in from the ocean or anything.
* Puts fingers in ears *
La la la la la la la !!!! I can't hear you!!!!


Don't ruin the image for the rest of us. :grunt:

nevermind
08-30-05, 09:05 AM
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/weather/0508/gallery.katrina.mon.am/01.06.ap.jpg

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/weather/0508/gallery.katrina.mon.am/01.08.red.cross.ap.jpg

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/weather/0508/gallery.katrina.mon.am/01.09.roof.rescue.ap.jpg

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/weather/0508/gallery.katrina.mon.am/02.10.jpg

RoyalTea
08-30-05, 09:11 AM
article on the superdome: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050830/ap_on_re_us/katrina_superdome

I noticed this line: Dr. Thuong Vo was on his honeymoon in New Orleans with his pregnant wife
shotgun wedding!

lotsofdvds
08-30-05, 09:44 AM
How long until the religious nuts come out to say that New Orleans got what it deserved?

Maxflier
08-30-05, 09:44 AM
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050830/050829_flooded_no_hlrg7.hlarge.jpg

Th0r S1mpson
08-30-05, 09:57 AM
How long until the religious nuts come out to say that New Orleans got what it deserved?
...a turn to the East?

Otto
08-30-05, 10:03 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/katrina_glance;_ylt=An9fj1DFmTMN6YR5Ur3z5Iys0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

Katrina's Effects, at a Glance
LOUISIANA:
MISSISSIPPI:
ALABAMA:
FLORIDA:
WASHINGTON, D.C.:
TEXAS:
OUTLOOK:
GULF OF MEXICO:


TENNESSEE:
-Memphis got some heavy, but much needed, rain over a period of a few days, thus preventing all the grass in town from dying.

Seriously, the rain really helped out around this area, what with the river being so low and all.

mapasu
08-30-05, 10:12 AM
I'm surprised my wife did not make a fuss about our relocation to Tallahassee, FL. I want to drive over there from CA, and looks like I'm stuck here in Cali for a while. We are aware that these natural phenomena are unavoidable. My prayers go to everyone in the area.

Gil Jawetz
08-30-05, 10:55 AM
WDSU in New Orleans: "The looting is OUT OF CONTROL"

two levee breaches...

streets flooding...

martial law declared...

live video feed: http://www.wdsu.com/video/4909353/detail.html

Gil Jawetz
08-30-05, 10:58 AM
WSDU: "I don't understand how people can say New Orleans got it not as bad as we thought. New Orleans has gotten it 1000 times WORSE than we thought!"

oh shit.

lotsofdvds
08-30-05, 11:11 AM
Looters should be shot on sight. And then tased.

raven56706
08-30-05, 11:18 AM
11:04 a.m.: Looting Out Of Control
New Orleans police say looting is out of control in many parts of the city. Officials are focusing on the rescue effort, but a crackdown on looting is expected after the martial law declaration. -- WDSU anchor Kriss Fairbairn

10:30 a.m.: Martial Law Declared
New Orleans is under martial law, according to state officials. The declaration is imposed to restore order in times of war and emergency. It could be weeks before displaced residents are allowed to return. -- WDSU chief meteorologist Dan Milham


10:27 a.m.: Blanco Expects Death Toll To Be High
Gov. Kathleen Blanco said her office has not confirmed any deaths but expects the loss of life to be high. -- WDSU chief meteorologist Dan Milham


10:25 a.m.: Superdome 'Miserable' The Superdome is filthy. Garbage bins are overflowing with trash and the bathrooms are filthy. In addition, the plumbing does not work. City officials say conditions are "miserable." -- WDSU chief meteorologist Dan Milham


10:21 a.m.: Water, Travel Conditions Poor Residents are urged to avoid drinking the water in New Orleans. It is not safe. The only way in and out of New Orleans is the Crescent City Connection. -- WDSU chief meteorologist Dan Milham

Otto
08-30-05, 11:21 AM
Katrina's Effects, at a Glance
By The Associated Press

Hurricane Katrina's effects, at a glance:

LOUISIANA:
-At least two breaches in levees allowed water from Lake Pontchartrain to inundate sections of New Orleans. Dozens of people rescued from roofs and attics.
-Highest wind in New Orleans estimated at about 100 mph.
-Some 370,000 customers estimated without power in southeast Louisiana; number expected to rise. New Orleans water unsafe to drink without boiling.
-Entire city of New Orleans, city of 485,000, ordered evacuated before storm struck. Mayor Ray Nagin estimated 80 percent of the city's residents left.
-About 9,000 took shelter in New Orleans Superdome arena, where storm ripped two holes in the vast roof.
-New Orleans police made several arrests for looting.

MISSISSIPPI:
-As many as 80 deaths possible, said Gov. Haley Barbour. That includes estimated 50 people in coastal Harrison County, with about 30 of those at one beach-side apartment complex in Biloxi.
-At least 450,000 customers without power.
-Casinos that dot the coast are closed. Emergency officials had reports of water reaching the third floors of some of the barge-mounted casinos.
-More than 1,600 Mississippi National Guardsmen activated.
-Quote: ``The devastation down there is just enormous,'' Barbour on NBC's ``Today.''

ALABAMA:
-Two deaths.
-More than a half-million homes and businesses without power.
-Flooding reached 11 feet in Mobile, matching record set in 1917, according to National Weather Service. Water up to roofs of cars in downtown Mobile and bayou communities. Piers ransacked and grand homes flooded along Eastern Shore of Mobile Bay.
-Major bridge over the Mobile River closed after it was struck by an oil drilling platform that floated away from a shipyard.
-Quote: ``She said she was in water up to her chin,'' Kim Stringfellow said of woman and five children brought to shelter at church in Bayou La Batre.

GEORGIA:
-One person was killed in a car accident as stormy weather moved through the western part of the state.
-Some 6,300 customers were without power Tuesday morning.
-More than 30 buildings were damaged or destroyed in west Georgia's Carroll County.

TENNESSEE:
-Flash flood warnings were in effect across western Tennessee, where up to 3 inches of rain fell Monday night.
-About 75,000 customers were without power.
-Dozens of school systems canceled classes, including Nashville-area schools.
-Thousands of evacuees from Mississippi and Louisiana sought shelter in Tennessee. No evacuations in Tennessee.

KENTUCKY:
-Most of Kentucky was under a flood watch until Wednesday morning.

FLORIDA:
-Deaths: 11, according to state tally on South Florida strike last week.
-77,000 customers were without power Tuesday morning in the Panhandle, hit by eastern edge of storm Monday. In South Florida, 155,262 customers still without power Tuesday morning.

OIL MARKETS:
-Oil futures rose more than $1 a barrel Tuesday as traders awaited reports on the extent of the damage to Gulf of Mexico oil and gas refineries.


Wow.

lotsofdvds
08-30-05, 11:22 AM
Why don't people evacuate? I've never understood this. I'm in Florida so I know this whole routine by now, but the only time I didn't evacuate when I was told to was when I was working at a television station and volunteered to stay so others could leave. But why are all these people still in New Orleans?

nevermind
08-30-05, 11:25 AM
But why are all these people still in New Orleans?

Why are they there now? Free stuff.



I wonder how many people are still around that rode it out and are protecting their property. I bet a few of the dead they find in the coming weeks had help from a bullet or two.

wildcatlh
08-30-05, 11:29 AM
I need to find a 13 year old picture from after Hurricane Andrew... it was a sign from a house a few blocks from where I lived (in one of the hardest hit places)... sign said "Looters will be eaten -- Food short!". I do remember seeing people sitting in front of their houses holding shotguns to get whatever looters decided to drop them a visit.

Like lotsofdvds said... I don't understand why people ignore evacuation orders. Just don't.

lotsofdvds
08-30-05, 11:30 AM
In some situations I might could see how "looting" could be tolerated. If it's going to be a month before power is restored, and you're trapped somewhere... then you might have no other means to get supplies. The food is all going to be thrown out anyway.

Granted you're a total dumbass for not stocking up before the storm.

But the video they just played on CNN had people running around with new stereos. Those fuckers need a taser up the ass.

Gil Jawetz
08-30-05, 11:41 AM
I highly recommend this video news stream: http://www.wdsu.com/video/4909353/detail.html

these reporters are pissed. They are holding nothing back talking about how the national media has no idea what they're talking about.

lotsofdvds
08-30-05, 11:41 AM
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/afp/20050829/capt.sge.cwx39.290805230041.photo00.photo.default-272x384.jpg
They're saying now that that's what's known as a "flotel". It's where the oil rig workers eat and sleep. It's not part of the refinary.

Detective Thorn
08-30-05, 11:46 AM
One of the New Orleans TV stations has a blog up that is being updated pretty frequently. A lot of the information is not terribly encouraging.

http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWLBLOG.ac3fcea.html

Elsewhere on that site, talking about the levee that was breached:

"Huge sand bags are being airlifted to try to stem the rush of water in that area. The expectations are that the water will not stop until it reaches lake level."

nevermind
08-30-05, 11:56 AM
I highly recommend this video news stream: http://www.wdsu.com/video/4909353/detail.html

these reporters are pissed. They are holding nothing back talking about how the national media has no idea what they're talking about.

It was on for a few minutes but then it went to colorbars and now it's ALl My Children and commercials.

Have they been having problems all morning or is this new?

wildcatlh
08-30-05, 12:07 PM
This, people, is why they were telling people not to go back yet.

11:53 A.M. - Two dead in Slidell in rising waters after attempting to get back to their homes. The victims had initially evacuated.

Ranger
08-30-05, 12:24 PM
Yeah, Slidelll is my hometown and where my parent's house is. I guess it'll be a while before they can go back. 24/7 curfew in effect in that area, sheesh, I can't wait to move out of this state. :)

That oil rig pic is at the Mobile Bay bridge in bama.

Mopower
08-30-05, 12:25 PM
Damn, on CNN they just said some guy killed himself by jumping off the upper row of seats in the Superdome.

Gil Jawetz
08-30-05, 12:27 PM
This is just awful. I can't concentrate on anything else. What will happen to my favorite place on earth?

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/6374/preservationhall0fx.jpg

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5922/preshall7xa.jpg

Ranger
08-30-05, 12:38 PM
Damn, on CNN they just said some guy killed himself by jumping off the upper row of seats in the Superdome.
What a selfish bastard, as if people didn't have enough to do, they gotta clean up your own mess.

RoyalTea
08-30-05, 12:53 PM
I wonder if Americans will be more generous, as generous, or less generous than they were for the victims of the Tsunami.

Mopower
08-30-05, 01:02 PM
I wonder if Americans will be more generous, as generous, or less generous than they were for the victims of the Tsunami.

I wonder if Sri Lanka, Indonesia or India will give us help for the victims of Katrina?

heimerSWT
08-30-05, 01:09 PM
One of the New Orleans TV stations has a blog up that is being updated pretty frequently. A lot of the information is not terribly encouraging.

http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWLBLOG.ac3fcea.html

Elsewhere on that site, talking about the levee that was breached:

"Huge sand bags are being airlifted to try to stem the rush of water in that area. The expectations are that the water will not stop until it reaches lake level."
from that link:
1:05 P.M. - (AP) -- With much of the city emptied by Hurricane Katrina, some opportunists took advantage of the situation by looting stores.

At a Walgreen's drug store in the French Quarter, people were running out with grocery baskets and coolers full of soft drinks, chips and diapers. When police finally showed up, a young boy stood in the door screaming, "86! 86!" -- the radio code for police -- and the crowd scattered.


Around the corner on Canal Street, the main thoroughfare in the central business district, people sloshed headlong through hip-deep water as looters ripped open the steel gates on the front of several clothing and jewelry stores. One man, who had about 10 pairs of jeans draped over his left arm, was asked if he was salvaging things from his store. "No," the man shouted, "that's EVERYBODY'S store." -ohbfrank-

RoyalTea
08-30-05, 01:15 PM
I wonder if Sri Lanka, Indonesia or India will give us help for the victims of Katrina?I wonder if that homeless man on the street that I gave a quarter to last week will give me any money this week.

heimerSWT
08-30-05, 01:16 PM
I was just in New Orleans two weekends ago, for the first time. I'm very glad I was able to see the city, hear the music, eat the food, and absorb the culture when I did. I stayed at the corner of Canal and Bourbon.

I was approached no less than 10 times by different "street people" (I don't think they were homeless) who tried to swindle me by "guessing" where I got my shoes. :confused:

After the first couple of times, I would shut them up by saying New Orleans before they could finish. My point is, I can completely imagine how crazy the looting must be in that area, based on how shady the people were that hung around that area.

lotsofdvds
08-30-05, 01:18 PM
Diapers, baby formula... I'll give them a pass. It's a crisis. But the douchebags taking jeans, sneakers and electronics? Give them the chair.

I'm watching CNN and I've heard nothing about some guy killing himself in the Superdome.

raven56706
08-30-05, 01:24 PM
I hope george clooney can round up another telethon for the people of these areas...

or perhaps maybe the international world can make some donations...

dadaluholla
08-30-05, 01:39 PM
If you want to help out, it looks like there are quite a few "hurricane katrina" related listings on eBay already. Get bidding!

Sigh.

candyrocket786
08-30-05, 01:42 PM
I was just in New Orleans two weekends ago, for the first time. I'm very glad I was able to see the city, hear the music, eat the food, and absorb the culture when I did. I stayed at the corner of Canal and Bourbon.

I was approached no less than 10 times by different "street people" (I don't think they were homeless) who tried to swindle me by "guessing" where I got my shoes. :confused:

After the first couple of times, I would shut them up by saying New Orleans before they could finish. My point is, I can completely imagine how crazy the looting must be in that area, based on how shady the people were that hung around that area.

My gf and I are scheduled to fly out to New Orleans in Oct (Halloween Wedding). Now the bride is thinking about rescheduling.

Hopefully, we can get our money back.

Mopower
08-30-05, 01:47 PM
Diapers, baby formula... I'll give them a pass. It's a crisis. But the douchebags taking jeans, sneakers and electronics? Give them the chair.

I'm watching CNN and I've heard nothing about some guy killing himself in the Superdome.


Yeah I guess I made it up. :rolleyes: It was on about an hour ago. Some city official said it. They put big headline under the screen. Who knows if it is true though.

Mopower
08-30-05, 01:49 PM
I wonder if that homeless man on the street that I gave a quarter to last week will give me any money this week.


I'm just saying that we give and give and give and if anything happens to us we don't get jack. Not that those countries would have anything we need but it's the thought that counts.

candyrocket786
08-30-05, 01:52 PM
I'm just saying that we give and give and give and if anything happens to us we don't get jack.


Correct....but it's because we are perceived as the richest country in the world.

We use to be rich and invincible back in the day, but 9/11 put the "invincible" part on hiatus.

lotsofdvds
08-30-05, 01:57 PM
Yeah I guess I made it up. :rolleyes: It was on about an hour ago. Some city official said it. They put big headline under the screen. Who knows if it is true though.
Ok, they just started talking about it. I've been in a blackout in the Florida heat before, for well over 24 hours without AC or anything. But what could cause some guy to lose all hope so soon?

Sdallnct
08-30-05, 02:05 PM
Looks like our 1st office is going to be set up in Birmingham. Several are going now, not me yet. Don't know if it will be a staging area, training area, or what.

Aphex Twin
08-30-05, 02:07 PM
Don't know if is has already been covered, but how are the insurance companines handling any of the damages? I don't think flood damage for homes is covered by insurance, but what about cars that are damaged by the flooding? Auto insurance covers those right?

E70f
08-30-05, 02:09 PM
I'm just saying that we give and give and give and if anything happens to us we don't get jack. Not that those countries would have anything we need but it's the thought that counts.

So should they give something we don't need? A couple of camel saddles and model of Ganesh made out of cowdung? You know, as a gesture...

RoyalTea
08-30-05, 02:09 PM
I'm just saying that we give and give and give and if anything happens to us we don't get jack. Not that those countries would have anything we need but it's the thought that counts.If they donated any physical manpower, that would be great.

But I would never expect them to send money.

Myster X
08-30-05, 02:12 PM
So should they give something we don't need? A couple of camel saddles and model of Ganesh made out of cowdung? You know, as a gesture...

Some press conferences would be nice since we don't need material or money from them.
Where's the fuck is the UN????

sfsdfd
08-30-05, 02:12 PM
I wonder if Americans will be more generous, as generous, or less generous than they were for the victims of the Tsunami.
Hate to say it, but such comparisons at this point are unwarranted. So far, we've lost a few hundred people. The tsunami caused over 300,000 deaths. Three orders of magnitude is enough to preclude qualitative analogies.

- David Stein

Gil Jawetz
08-30-05, 02:12 PM
If Hugo Chavez donates fuel, how will people react?

Ranger
08-30-05, 02:14 PM
Don't know if is has already been covered, but how are the insurance companines handling any of the damages? I don't think flood damage for homes is covered by insurance, but what about cars that are damaged by the flooding? Auto insurance covers those right?
flood ins. is offered by many companies, but I think the feds are the ones who actually cover it since ins. companies don't want to cover them.

Some auto ins. covers flood, yes.

Myster X
08-30-05, 02:15 PM
Hate to say it, but such comparisons at this point are unwarranted. So far, we've lost a few hundred people. The tsunami caused over 300,000 deaths. Three orders of magnitude is enough to preclude qualitative analogies.

- David Stein

Sorry, I don't buy it. What about the sinking of the Kursk? Did the US offered to help? Yes.
Where's our Russian "ally"? No condolences, nada.

Ranger
08-30-05, 02:17 PM
If Hugo Chavez donates fuel, how will people react?
That actually would be pretty nice.

Pointyskull
08-30-05, 02:17 PM
I was just in New Orleans two weekends ago, for the first time.

I was approached no less than 10 times by different "street people" (I don't think they were homeless) who tried to swindle me by "guessing" where I got my shoes. :confused:



We went there on our honeymoon in '86, and the same thing happened :lol:

E70f
08-30-05, 02:18 PM
Where's the fuck is the UN????

I think it's still in New York. The wind was not that strong.

It would be nice if, say Thailand, would offer a 1,000 soliders to fill sandbags and such, but I suspect our government would refuse on security/immigration grounds.

Gil Jawetz
08-30-05, 02:19 PM
That actually would be pretty nice.

Don't be surprised if he offers. (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/08/30/MTFH75938_2005-08-30_02-47-24_HO010025.html) He obviously wants the common man to think he's a good guy.

raven56706
08-30-05, 02:20 PM
NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (AP) -- Desperate for fresh air, dozens of refugees from Hurricane Katrina slept on the walkway surrounding the Louisiana Superdome as conditions inside worsened and even more people were brought to the huge arena Tuesday.

National Guardsmen let some of the 10,000 people sheltering inside the arena take their bedding out onto the concourse, where it was cooler and the breeze was welcome.

"Oh God, fresh air, it's so wonderful. It's the first time I've wanted to breathe all day," said Robin Smith, 33. "When you think what we could've gone through, it's not too bad in there. But it's certainly not as wonderful as this." ( See video of the dimmed and leaking arena -- 3:53)

The bathrooms were filthy, and barrels overflowed with trash. With the air conditioning off since power went out Monday morning, the bricks were slick with condensation.

Despite the conditions, the Superdome was a welcome refuge for people rescued from the rising water in the city Tuesday. National Guard troops brought refugees in their big trucks, and Louisiana's wildlife enforcement department brought more people by pickup. (Watch video of evacuees pressing for entry before Katrina hit -- 4:00)

Mary Stewart, 80, slid off the back of a National Guard truck with nothing but the clothes on her back, her purse and the shoe on her left foot.

"I was so scared I don't feel I have any entrails any more," said Stewart, who spent a harrowing night in the attic of a beauty salon in the city's flooded Ninth Ward.

Beauty salon employee Kioka Williams, 23, said they had to hack through the ceiling to reach the attic as the water rose.

"Oh my God, it was hell," she said. "We were screaming, hollering, flashing lights. It was complete chaos." (Watch the video account of unanswered screams --1:57 )

The eight people in the salon were rescued early Tuesday by a police boat.

"I almost died in the night water," Willie Anderson, 49, said as he arrived at the Superdome. He had spent the night in his attic in the inundated Ninth Ward.

A groan rose from a group listing to a newscast when the devastation was detailed and officials in suburban Jefferson Parish said residents wouldn't be allowed to return until Monday. One woman cried.

"We're doing everything we can to keep these people comfortable," Gen. Ralph Lupin, commander of the National Guard troops at the Superdome, said Tuesday morning. "We're doing our best. It's not getting any better but we're trying not to let it get any worse."

"I know people want to leave, but they can't leave," he said. "There's 3 feet of water around the Superdome." (See the video of knee-deep and rising water in the French Quarter)

The situation was especially difficult for those in wheelchairs, who were lined up in rows five deep along a wall. One patient's IV bag was attached to a stadium seating sign.

Officials were considering moving the patients to areas with better accommodations.

"This is just too hot, too primitive, too uncomfortable for the patients and too hard to work in for the medical people," said Dr. Kevin Stephens Sr., head of the medical shelter in the Superdome.

Two people had died, according to Doug Thornton, a regional vice president for the company that manages the 77,000-seat Superdome, of the NFL's New Orleans Saints. He provided no details.

Katrina ripped two holes in the curved roof, but Superdome and government emergency officials stressed that they did not expect the huge roof to fail.

"I was OK until that roof fell off," said 82-year-old Anice Sexton. "I was terrified then. Otherwise it hasn't been too bad. People are so nice and the people staying here have really been cooperative. But the washrooms are terrible."

Ranger
08-30-05, 02:20 PM
But we have to wait to see if Chavez actually does it.

WallyOPD
08-30-05, 02:25 PM
Still no word from big whoppa?

Myster X
08-30-05, 02:31 PM
Don't be surprised if he offers. (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/08/30/MTFH75938_2005-08-30_02-47-24_HO010025.html) He obviously wants the common man to think he's a good guy.

He is a good guy. See, it's hard for the US to overthrow Chavez since he's democratically elected. I sure there are loopholes out there to get him out somehow.

mikehunt
08-30-05, 02:32 PM
damn looters are out

Gil Jawetz
08-30-05, 02:32 PM
Still no word from big whoppa?

08-29-05, 01:13 AM
Winds are picking up some more.

No. That's his last post...

ANDREMIKE
08-30-05, 02:33 PM
Hate to say it, but such comparisons at this point are unwarranted. So far, we've lost a few hundred people. The tsunami caused over 300,000 deaths. Three orders of magnitude is enough to preclude qualitative analogies.

- David Stein


What does the number of deaths have to do with anything? Money was donated to help rebuid the cities, the infrastructure, to help families that lost everything. The money wasn't given to dead people. WE NEED to help our own F'n people. I hope more money is raised for this tragedy then was given for the Tsunami. There are alot of people that lost everything and they have no where to go. Alot of them will need to start new lives... I really hope people give money to this tragic event, But I think people will not be so generous here, and that is whats wrong with our country. The rich just get wealthier by orders of magnitude greater then the rest of us. They keep taking from the average Joe.

Have funds been setup to help the people of this tragedy out?

There are several reasons why the death toll was so low here. People were prepared. Our buildings are built ALOT better then over there.

We may be perceived as a wealthy country, but look how much debt we have accumulated over the last 4 years. Our country is so fucked up when the average salary for a CEO is 11mil and the average workers is 28K. The average salary/ raise doesn't even keep up with inflation.!!!


I bet most of these people didn't have flood insurance. I know I don't. However I thought when the Gov declares an area a disaster that everyone becomes eligible for relief.

Gil Jawetz
08-30-05, 02:38 PM
I don't know if this is the right thread for you to get so pissed about rich vs. poor.

That said, I've been shocked at the "meh" attitude here about this. I'm very very upset. Others around me are like "maybe it'll smell less like piss now" or something like that. And they wonder why people outside NYC didn't really "get" 9/11. There you go.

Plus, we've been hit with a lot of massive tragedies in the last few years. our average schmoe might be a little telethon-ed out.

ANDREMIKE
08-30-05, 02:44 PM
Didn't mean to change the subject about rich versus poor but the comment was brought up that we are a wealthy country. I guess I also needed to vent about this topic since I saw it on CNN this afternoon...and its been bugging me....

I just hope as a country we can generate the money these people need to start over. I didn't give for the Tsunami but I would sure as hell give to this cause...

Sdallnct
08-30-05, 02:47 PM
Don't know if is has already been covered, but how are the insurance companines handling any of the damages? I don't think flood damage for homes is covered by insurance, but what about cars that are damaged by the flooding? Auto insurance covers those right?

-Flood is not covered under a homeowners policy
-A specific flood policy could have been purchased
-Flood is a government policy. Yes you regular insurance company sells it, and handles the claims, but only as sort of a contractor the government.
-Insurance companies must follow NFIP's direction on how to settle claims, what is required, etc.
-Flood is through NFIP (National Flood Insurance Program) which is a branch of FEMA.
-Flood policies do not cover many things including they do not cover to pay for a house/hotel whatever while you cannot live in yours
-Yes, if you have "full" coverage, auto would be handled under your auto policy. Auto is not covered under home or flood policies. If you had liability only, then no coverage for flood

sfsdfd
08-30-05, 02:48 PM
What does the number of deaths have to do with anything?
It pertains to the magnitude of the loss caused by the disasters being compared. And if you want to focus on economic loss instead, consider that the Indian Ocean region lost about 300,000 consumers and workers.

New Orleans is a tremendous catastrophe. The Indian Ocean tsunami was a tremendous catastrophe. That should be sufficient. Statements like this -
I hope more money is raised for this tragedy then was given for the Tsunami.
- don't add anything to this set of facts, and are only going to provoke pointless arguments.

Have funds been setup to help the people of this tragedy out?
It's been about 24 hours. Give it time.

- David Stein

Mopower
08-30-05, 02:50 PM
I just hope as a country we can generate the money these people need to start over. I didn't give for the Tsunami but I would sure as hell give to this cause...

Here too. I didn't give to the Tsunami because I didn't see the point of giving money to a bunch of people on the other side of the world who I don't really give a shit about. But US citizens I'll donate money to help. Especially in this case where the poorest part of the country was hit.

Sdallnct
08-30-05, 02:51 PM
I bet most of these people didn't have flood insurance. I know I don't. However I thought when the Gov declares an area a disaster that everyone becomes eligible for relief.

This will be a HUGE problem. Luckily (I suppose), if you have a mortgage, most mortgage companies require you to get flood insurance. But if mortage required, many people only get enough to cover their mortgage, which will leave no money for property that was lost, etc.

And as mentioned flood does not cover the cost of you living somewhere else.

Those that did not have flood insurance will be eligable for help, but in most cases it is low interest loans.

Ranger
08-30-05, 02:54 PM
How much does flood ins. usually cover? I think my parents' house is already paid for but they've been paying for flood insurance for a long time. I think they're hoping that they can get a decent amount from insurance and be able to move somewhere else.

ANDREMIKE
08-30-05, 02:56 PM
They only require it if you live in a flood plane. Otherwise, flood insurance is not required. I do not live in a flood plane, but I am also not that far away from one. I fI were to get by a 100 year flood then I might have a problem. Do these people live in flood planes?

shaun3000
08-30-05, 02:59 PM
Do these people live in flood planes?I would consider any costal area that is 25' below sea level a flood plain.

Sdallnct
08-30-05, 03:01 PM
For those interested and those thinking maybe they should buy flood insurace, here is a handy "general" summary from NFIP on what a flood policy covers, does not, and how damages are figured. This is just a broad overview

http://www.fema.gov/pdf/nfip/summary_cov.pdf

And the general

http://www.fema.gov/nfip/

Th0r S1mpson
08-30-05, 03:02 PM
We give to the tsunami relief because they could not possibly afford to recover from it on their own. The converse is not true. If the roles reverse and the US becomes impoverished to the same level, perhaps the favor will be returned someday. In the meantime, we can EASILY afford to take care of our own. Heck, one of the top news stories from this event is how we poor americans will be paying another 20 cents for a gallon of gas. How far down the list were gas prices for the tsunami victims? Please.

TruGator
08-30-05, 03:02 PM
Two videos from hurricanetrack.com, who were in Gulfport, Miss:

Landfall:
http://www.hurricanelivenet.com/katduring.wmv

Aftermath:
http://www.hurricanelivenet.com/aftermath.wmv

Mopower
08-30-05, 03:07 PM
How far down the list were gas prices for the tsunami victims? Please.

Well for one, they don't have cars.

Gil Jawetz
08-30-05, 03:09 PM
Here too. I didn't give to the Tsunami because I didn't see the point of giving money to a bunch of people on the other side of the world who I don't really give a shit about.

I know you're just being honest, but that just seems so callous and cruel. There must be a better way to phrase that.

Mopower
08-30-05, 03:13 PM
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050830/capt.ladm10908301723.hurricane_katrina_ladm109.jpg?x=218&y=345&sig=G7m12guybCetRDu2piT5NA--


Well there is some good news. Someone saved the beer!!

ANDREMIKE
08-30-05, 03:14 PM
We give to the tsunami relief because they could not possibly afford to recover from it on their own. The converse is not true. If the roles reverse and the US becomes impoverished to the same level, perhaps the favor will be returned someday. In the meantime, we can EASILY afford to take care of our own. Heck, one of the top news stories from this event is how we poor americans will be paying another 20 cents for a gallon of gas. How far down the list were gas prices for the tsunami victims? Please.


We can take care of our own but will we? Will we be able to help these people or will they poverish from this tragedy if they didn't have the right insurance. Again I have to bring up the fact that we don't take care of our own because corporate America is always screwen the little guy. And a 20cent increase in gas will kill me. I already pay to much in gas and another 20 cents will raise everything else. ( sorry to keep venting)

Oh, and did the Tsunami victims really need the BILLIONS of dollars they recieved? They don't have the kind of society that we have. I would really like to know how that money is being spent and if the needy are really getting any of it.

Mopower
08-30-05, 03:15 PM
I know you're just being honest, but that just seems so callous and cruel. There must be a better way to phrase that.

Well I mean I felt bad for them and all but we have our own problems. In other words yes, I could have worded it differently.

nevermind
08-30-05, 03:15 PM
I wasn't able to see any tv at work today. I just got home a while ago and turned on the tv & I just don't see how NO is going to recover from this. From listening to what their mayor is saying, there will be 2-3 months before electricity or school is even possible, and probably 3 weeks at the best until they have all the water out. There's looting widespread and god only knows what darkness is going to bring. The water is standing, containing sewage & bodies, which means disease is inevitable to those that still stay there.

Since right now it appears the whole city might have to be rebuilt, is there anything that can be done to help the below sea level problem they have? New technology of pumps or something? I'm not an engineer so I'm just asking out of curiousity.

mrpayroll
08-30-05, 03:16 PM
If Hugo Chavez donates fuel, how will people react?


Chavez in 2008

:clap:Vote for Chavez, Vote for Chavez! :clap:

Chris

RoyalTea
08-30-05, 03:17 PM
There are several reasons why the death toll was so low here. People were prepared. Our buildings are built ALOT better then over there.we were prepared, but only because we were tracking the hurricane since it formed in the atlantic ocean.

if you gave the people in Thailand and Sri Lanka 48 hours notice that a big motherf'ing tsunami was coming, the death toll would have been signficantly less.

Th0r S1mpson
08-30-05, 03:19 PM
is there anything that can be done to help the below sea level problem they have? New technology of pumps or something?
That's brilliant... we just pump the sea until sea level drop below New Orleans! :up:

;)

Red Dog
08-30-05, 03:20 PM
And a 20cent increase in gas will kill me. I already pay to much in gas and another 20 cents will raise everything else. ( sorry to keep venting)



How many gallons of gas do you consume in a month?

Gil Jawetz
08-30-05, 03:20 PM
We can take care of our own but will we? Will we be able to help these people or will they poverish from this tragedy if they didn't have the right insurance. Again I have to bring up the fact that we don't take care of our own because corporate America is always screwen the little guy. And a 20cent increase in gas will kill me. I already pay to much in gas and another 20 cents will raise everything else. ( sorry to keep venting)

Oh, and did the Tsunami victims really need the BILLIONS of dollars they recieved? They don't have the kind of society that we have. I would really like to know how that money is being spent and if the needy are really getting any of it.

I'm not a mod, but I think you need to start a new thread about how you should get to decide which "little guys" are worth helping and which aren't and move your rants in there.

RoyalTea
08-30-05, 03:22 PM
Here too. I didn't give to the Tsunami because I didn't see the point of giving money to a bunch of people on the other side of the world who I don't really give a shit about. But US citizens I'll donate money to help. Especially in this case where the poorest part of the country was hit.My thinking is the exact opposite. If I donated $50 to the tsunami relief efforts, that $50 could go a long way in that part of the world. but if I gave $50 to the hurricane victims, I'm not sure that $50 would mean nearly as much.

plus, many of the hurricane victims will be getting money from insurance companies and federal disaster funds. I doubt the people in SE Asia had the same kind of security blankets.

nevermind
08-30-05, 03:22 PM
That's brilliant... we just pump the sea until sea level drop below New Orleans! :up:

;)

See? That's the type of forward thinking I'm talking about!


Or maybe just a big sponge.

Aphex Twin
08-30-05, 03:24 PM
Since right now it appears the whole city might have to be rebuilt, is there anything that can be done to help the below sea level problem they have? New technology of pumps or something? I'm not an engineer so I'm just asking out of curiousity.

You could put a one end of a hose in New Orleans and the other end in a city above sea level. When there's water in NO, it will travel from that end of the hose to the other end. That's how we used to get water out of the aquarium in our house when we cleaned it.

nevermind
08-30-05, 03:27 PM
How many gallons of gas do you consume in a month?

I think he's saying that in addition to the gas going up, all goods will as well due to the prices it will cost to get them to the store. Not that I agree with it, yet. My milk, bread, soap, and beer have not increased since gas went from $1.50 to $2.95, at least not enough to notice.

There is plenty of shit that can be cut out of the monthly expenses of those who would "get killed" by another 20 cent increase.

You know what the doubling in gas has meant to me? Instead of buying 3-4 DVDs a month, I use Netflx for $14.99 & buy none. We eat out one time a week less. BFD.

Phil L.
08-30-05, 03:27 PM
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050830/capt.ladm10908301723.hurricane_katrina_ladm109.jpg?x=218&y=345&sig=G7m12guybCetRDu2piT5NA--


Well there is some good news. Someone saved the beer!!

More likely he uh, liberated the beer.

mrpayroll
08-30-05, 03:28 PM
I wasn't able to see any tv at work today. I just got home a while ago and turned on the tv & I just don't see how NO is going to recover from this. From listening to what their mayor is saying, there will be 2-3 months before electricity or school is even possible, and probably 3 weeks at the best until they have all the water out. There's looting widespread and god only knows what darkness is going to bring. The water is standing, containing sewage & bodies, which means disease is inevitable to those that still stay there.

Since right now it appears the whole city might have to be rebuilt, is there anything that can be done to help the below sea level problem they have? New technology of pumps or something? I'm not an engineer so I'm just asking out of curiousity.

Yeah, I went home for lunch and turned on Fox and boy were my eyes opened to the actual damage that was done to New Orleans. Sure, some of the higher elevation points are okay, but it looks like the city as a whole has been decimated, even though the hurricane turned towards the east.

And most of us are not considering what diseases will be occuring during the next couple of weeks. Between the mosquitoes, dead bodies, human waste, dead animals, etc. and not to mention 90+ degree hot humid weather, it is not going to be pleasant in that area for many months to come.

And we don't even know if another hurricane or tropical storm will hit the area again in the coming weeks. That would be unimagineable. :eek:

Chris

sfsdfd
08-30-05, 03:33 PM
Or maybe just a big sponge.
There are already sponges in the sea. That's where we get them.

So we just need to extract them, wring them out somewhere else, and put them back. That should lower the water level enough to drain the city.

- David Stein

Red Dog
08-30-05, 03:33 PM
I think he's saying that in addition to the gas going up, all goods will as well due to the prices it will cost to get them to the store. Not that I agree with it, yet. My milk, bread, soap, and beer have not increased since gas went from $1.50 to $2.95, at least not enough to notice.

There is plenty of shit that can be cut out of the monthly expenses of those who would "get killed" by another 20 cent increase.

You know what the doubling in gas has meant to me? Instead of buying 3-4 DVDs a month, I use Netflx for $14.99 & buy none. We eat out one time a week less. BFD.


Well this is what I was alluding to. If you use 100 gallons/month, that's $20 more per month - $240 more per year. That doesn't sound like something that would kill someone.

sfsdfd
08-30-05, 03:37 PM
Yeah, I went home for lunch and turned on Fox and boy were my eyes opened to the actual damage that was done to New Orleans.
Fox does always have the best cinematography. Their photos from the invasion of Baghdad were Pulitzer-quality.

Of course, that's what they strive for - not the most accurate photos, but the most dramatic. Some would argue that this philosophy pervades their newscasting, too. ;) Just commenting that the Fox images are probably not representative of the city as a whole.

- David Stein

mikehunt
08-30-05, 03:41 PM
They only require it if you live in a flood plane. Otherwise, flood insurance is not required. I do not live in a flood plane, but I am also not that far away from one. I fI were to get by a 100 year flood then I might have a problem. Do these people live in flood planes?

even if it isn't technically a flood plane, anyone that lives in a coastal area that is below sea level, or a coastal area known to get hurricanes from time to time, that doesn't have flood insurance is a moron

nevermind
08-30-05, 03:42 PM
Just commenting that the Fox images are probably not representative of the city as a whole.


I think it's fair that we can say this of all the news outlets. I've been watching MSNBC for the past hour. They are showing the same stuff - burning buildings, water to rooflines, people getting rescued, people looting, etc.

Red Dog
08-30-05, 03:44 PM
even if it isn't technically a flood plane, anyone that lives in a coastal area that is below sea level, or a coastal area known to get hurricanes from time to time, that doesn't have flood insurance is a moron



Agreed.

ChiTownAbs, Inc
08-30-05, 03:45 PM
Louisiana Governor: Superdome Refugees Have to Be Evacuated

sfsdfd
08-30-05, 03:46 PM
I think it's fair that we can say this of all the news outlets. I've been watching MSNBC for the past hour. They are showing the same stuff - burning buildings, water to rooflines, people getting rescued, people looting, etc.
Entirely true. It is, after all, the news. I do have to commend Fox - the visual quality of their imagery is stunning - but it does create skewed impressions.

- David Stein

Phil L.
08-30-05, 03:48 PM
What's burning? I've been watching the LA Gov's news conference on CNN and they are showing various scenes simultaneously on small screens, some of which appear to show large fires.

mikehunt
08-30-05, 03:49 PM
What's burning? I've been watching the LA Gov's news conference on CNN and they are showing various scenes simultaneously on small screens, some of which appear to show large fires.

gas lines
and with no power for pumps the city water system has lost pressure. I sw some firefighters that had to let a house burn. the area they were in had fairly dry streets but there was no water pressure in the hydrants

shifrbv
08-30-05, 03:50 PM
The Discovery Channel had a show on this some time ago. They specifically talked about New Orleans and what would happen if a bad hurricane hit. Unfortunately, it's come true.

I was just down there about a year ago after having not been there for several years. I was impressed with how the city had cleaned up alot of the French Quarter and even done alot of expansion in that area. Sad to think of it all being ruined.

mrpayroll
08-30-05, 03:51 PM
Fox does always have the best cinematography. Their photos from the invasion of Baghdad were Pulitzer-quality.

Of course, that's what they strive for - not the most accurate photos, but the most dramatic. Some would argue that this philosophy pervades their newscasting, too. ;) Just commenting that the Fox images are probably not representative of the city as a whole.

- David Stein

But it was riveting! :lol:

Chris

raven56706
08-30-05, 03:52 PM
CARACAS (AFP) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez offered to send food and fuel to the United States after the powerful Hurricane Katrina pummeled the US south, ravaging US crude production.

The leftist leader, a frequent critic of the United States and a target himself of US disapproval, said Venezuela could send aid workers with drinking water, food and fuel to US communities hit by the hurricane.

"We place at the disposition of the people of the United States in the event of shortages -- we have drinking water, food, we can provide fuel," Chavez told reporters.

Chavez said fuel could be sent to the United States via a Citgo refinery that has not been affected by the hurricane. Citgo is owned by Venezuela's state-owned oil company, Petroleos de Venezuela (PDVSA).

In the Gulf of Mexico, which accounts for a quarter of total US oil output, 92 percent of crude and 83 percent of natural gas production were shut down due to Hurricane Katrina, which slammed Louisiana and Mississippi, according to US government data.

Venezuela is the fourth-largest provider of oil to the United States, supplying some 1.5 million barrels a day.

Last week, Chavez offered discount gasoline to poor Americans suffering from high oil prices and on Sunday offered free eye surgery for Americans without access to health care.

Sdallnct
08-30-05, 03:54 PM
even if it isn't technically a flood plane, anyone that lives in a coastal area that is below sea level, or a coastal area known to get hurricanes from time to time, that doesn't have flood insurance is a moron

Well, it is not as easy as all that. Flood insurance is not cheap. Many people simply cannot afford it. In addition, even people that can hate to spend the money on what is literally less then a 1 in a life time event.

The ironic part about it is that like any other insurance the more people that buy it, the cheaper it would become. It is so expensive because so few purchase it (there are other reasons of course).

mrpayroll
08-30-05, 03:54 PM
Louisiana Governor: Superdome Refugees Have to Be Evacuated

Is this because the water is rising around it? How many people approx. are in the Dome?

Chris

Phil L.
08-30-05, 03:54 PM
gas lines
and with no power for pumps the city water system has lost pressure. I sw some firefighters that had to let a house burn. the area they were in had fairly dry streets but there was no water pressure in the hydrants

Jeez. Unbelievable

Minor Threat
08-30-05, 03:55 PM
Louisiana Governor: Superdome Refugees Have to Be Evacuated

Can you ellaborate on why they need to be moved? No tv here.....

ChiTownAbs, Inc
08-30-05, 03:56 PM
Is this because the water is rising around it? How many people approx. are in the Dome?

Chris

9-10k?

minus the guy who committed sucide.

ChiTownAbs, Inc
08-30-05, 03:57 PM
Can you ellaborate on why they need to be moved? No tv here.....

That was the breaking news on foxnews.com.

Developing.......

mikehunt
08-30-05, 04:00 PM
Well, it is not as easy as all that. Flood insurance is not cheap. Many people simply cannot afford it. In addition, even people that can hate to spend the money on what is literally less then a 1 in a life time event.

The ironic part about it is that like any other insurance the more people that buy it, the cheaper it would become. It is so expensive because so few purchase it (there are other reasons of course).

then they shouldn't live in a flood prone area
the gulf and atlantic coasts get multiple hurricanes every year. Sure most aren't this strong, but they still cause flooding. So living in these areas flooding is fairly likely

Phil L.
08-30-05, 04:00 PM
Earlier today I heard some report that indicated that they had planned to evacuate critically ill patients from four area hospitals and put them in the Superdome. I guess that's not really gonna happen huh?

mrpayroll
08-30-05, 04:03 PM
Well this seems to be bigger than we all imagined.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167781,00.html

Governor: New Orleans Needs to Be Evacuated
Tuesday, August 30, 2005


BATON ROUGE, La. — With conditions in the hurricane-ravaged city of New Orleans rapidly deteriorating, Gov. Kathleen Blanco (search ) announced late Tuesday that people now huddled in the Superdome and other rescue centers need to be evacuated.

"The situation is untenable," Blanco said during a news conference. "It's just heartbreaking."

Rescuers in boats and helicopters struggled to reach hundreds of wet and bedraggled victims of Hurricane Katrina (search) along the Gulf Coast Tuesday, while New Orleans slipped deeper into crisis as water began rising in the streets because of a levee break.

The magnitude of the disaster — and the death toll in particular — became clearer with every tale of misery. Mississippi's governor said the number of dead in one county alone could be as high as 80.

"At first light, the devastation is greater than our worst fears. It's just totally overwhelming," Blanco said the morning after Katrina howled ashore with winds of 145 mph and engulfed thousands of homes in one of the most punishing storms on record in the United States.

In New Orleans (search), water began rising in the streets Tuesday morning, swamping an estimated 80 percent of the city and prompting the evacuation of hotels and hospitals. The water was also rising perilously in New Orleans' Superdome, and Blanco said the tens of thousands of people now huddled there and other rescue centers would have to be evacuated as well.

New Orleans lies mostly below sea level and is protected by a network of pumps, canals and levees.

Officials began using helicopters to drop 3,000-pound sandbags onto the levee, hoping to close the breach.

All day, rescuers were also seen using helicopters to drop lifelines to victims and pluck them from the roofs of homes cut off by floodwaters. The Coast Guard said it rescued some 1,200 people.

But New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said hundreds, if not thousands, of people may still be stuck in rooftops and attics, so rescue boats were bypassing the dead.

"We're not even dealing with dead bodies," Nagin said. "They're just pushing them on the side."

FOX News' Catherine Donaldson-Evans, Phil Keating, Rick Leventhal, Caroline Shively, Shepard Smith, Dan Springer and The Associated Press contributed to this report.



Chris

Phil L.
08-30-05, 04:04 PM
What's the regular population of New Orleans?
I've heard 1.5 million, 1.3 million, 1 million, and just a few mins. ago on CNN they said half a million.

Half a million?!? We probably got half a million people sitting in traffic on the Garden State Parkway and Turnpike here in NJ right now just cause it's rush hour.

heimerSWT
08-30-05, 04:05 PM
They were letting people OUT of the Superdome about 3 hours (give/take) ago. The plumbing is completely unusable, and there are piles of trash everywhere. The smell is apparently unbearable. Imagine being in a place that huge, and being used to the usual stench of New Orleans, and STILL not being able to handle the smell.

Y2K Falcon
08-30-05, 04:06 PM
Louisiana Governor: Superdome Refugees Have to Be Evacuated
Not just the Superdome. The whole city.

I'll post a good article in multiple parts, as DVDTalk keeps locking up when I try and post the whole thing at once.

Mr.Payroll's article is hideous. ;)

mikehunt
08-30-05, 04:09 PM
Can you ellaborate on why they need to be moved? No tv here.....

I've heard there are multiple levey breaks and that the water level is still rising
governor wants the whole city evacuated
http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/083005cccawwlevac.43bb0409.html


"good" (meaning clear) pics
http://www.wwltv.com/sharedcontent/breakingnews/slideshow/083005_dmnkatrina/1.html

their live feed deserves a repeated recommendation
http://www.wwltv.com/perl/common/video/wmPlayer.pl?title=beloint_khou&props=livenoad

al_bundy
08-30-05, 04:10 PM
then they shouldn't live in a flood prone area
the gulf and atlantic coasts get multiple hurricanes every year. Sure most aren't this strong, but they still cause flooding. So living in these areas flooding is fairly likely


i thought that if you have a mortgage, you have to carry insurance and flood insurance if necessary

Gil Jawetz
08-30-05, 04:11 PM
CARACAS (AFP) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez offered to send food and fuel to the United States after the powerful Hurricane Katrina pummeled the US south, ravaging US crude production.

Damn, did I call that or what? You think he read my post?

Detective Thorn
08-30-05, 04:12 PM
their live feed deserves a repeated recommendation
http://www.wwltv.com/perl/common/video/wmPlayer.pl?title=beloint_khou&props=livenoad

I am currently watching this and they are reporting that a police officer was shot in the back of the head by a looter.

Phil L.
08-30-05, 04:14 PM
Right now CNN is showing a marching band leading a clean up crew into Biloxi MS. Weird

mikehunt
08-30-05, 04:14 PM
that live feed just said a looter has shot a cop

mrpayroll
08-30-05, 04:15 PM
New Orleans City, Louisiana Statistics and Demographics (US Census 2000)
Number Percent
New Orleans Population: 484674 100.00%

Sex and Age
Male 227094 46.85%
Female 257580 53.15%

Under 5 years 33496 6.91%
5 to 9 years 37133 7.66%
10 to 14 years 36769 7.59%
15 to 19 years 38312 7.9%
20 to 24 years 38932 8.03%
25 to 34 years 70466 14.54%
35 to 44 years 71497 14.75%
45 to 54 years 63690 13.14%
55 to 59 years 21068 4.35%
60 to 64 years 16658 3.44%
65 to 74 years 28949 5.97%
75 to 84 years 20296 4.19%
85 years and over 7408 1.53%

Median age (years) 33.1

18 years and over 355266 73.3%
Male 161445 33.31%
Female 193821 39.99%
21 years and over 330751 68.24%
62 years and over 66324 13.68%
65 years and over 56653 11.69%
Male 21423 4.42%
Female 35230 7.27%

Race
One race 478473 98.72%
White 135956 28.05%
Black or African American 325947 67.25%
American Indian and Alaska Native 991 0.2%
Asian 10972 2.26%
Asian indian 1195 0.25%
Chinese 958 0.2%
Filipino 515 0.11%
Japanese 283 0.06%
Korean 358 0.07%
Vietnamese 7118 1.47%
Other Asian 545 0.11%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander 109 0.02%
Native Hawaiian 27 0.01%
Guamanian or Chamorro 29 0.01%
Samoan 24 0%
Other Pacific Islander 29 0.01%
Some other race 4498 0.93%
Two or more races 6201 1.28%

Hispanic or Latino and race
Total Population 484674 100.00%
Hispanic or Latino(of any race) 14826 3.06%
Mexican 2578 0.53%
Puerto Rican 1031 0.21%
Cuban 1615 0.33%
Other Hispanic or Latino 9602 1.98%
Not Hispanic or Latino 469848 96.94%
White alone 128871 26.59%

Relationship
Total Population 484674 100.00%
In households 467033 96.36%
Householder 188251 38.84%
Spouse 58013 11.97%
Child 148684 30.68%
Own child under 18 years 102859 21.22%
Other relatives 45527 9.39%
Under 18 years 23902 4.93%
Nonrelatives 26558 5.48%
Unmarried partner 11358 2.34%
In group quarters 17641 3.64%
Institutionalized population 9772 2.02%
Non-Institutionalized population 7869 1.62%

Households by Type
Total Households 188251 100.0 %
Family households (families) 112977 60.01%
With own children under 18 years 55053 29.24%
Married-couple family 58013 30.82%
With own children under 18 years 24950 13.25%
Female householder, no husband present 46171 24.53%
With own children under 18 years 26389 14.02%
Non Family households 75274 39.99%
Householder living alone 62422 33.16%
Householder 65 years and over 18228 9.68%

Households with individuals under 18 years 66489 35.32%
Households with individuals 65 years and over 42618 22.64%

Average Household size 2.48
Average family size 3.23

Housing Occupancy
Total housing units 215091 100.00%
Occupied housing units 188251 87.52%
Vacant housing units 26840 12.48%
For seasonal, recreational, or occasional use 2406 1.12%
Homeowner vacancy rate (percent) 2.2
Rental vacancy rate (percent) 7.9

Housing Tenure
Occupied housing units 188251 100.00%
Owner-occupied housing units. 87589 46.53%
Renter-occupied housing units. 100662 53.47%

Average household size of owner-occupied units 2.6
Average household size of renter-occupied units 2.37

Based on 2000 US Census data. For more information on population visit U.S. Census Bureau, providing access to a full range of U.S. Census information and data products.


Chris

mrpayroll
08-30-05, 04:20 PM
Not just the Superdome. The whole city.

I'll post a good article in multiple parts, as DVDTalk keeps locking up when I try and post the whole thing at once.

Mr.Payroll's article is hideous. ;)

Yeah, I'm having problems with the browser locking up. It seems the only way to post is quick post.

Chris

shaun3000
08-30-05, 04:23 PM
Thread's getting too long.

I'm curious why so manypeople are still there. They had several days warning to leave. The news stations were all predicting the total annihilation of New Orleans. Yet there are thousands of people still in the city. Obviously some were unable to leave for one reason or anther but I have a feeling a good many just refused to go.

Y2K Falcon
08-30-05, 04:24 PM
Eh, screw it. For length, I've summarized. If it doesn't change, anyone wanting the whole article, go to - Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9130254/

Governor: Refugees must leave New Orleans
Confusion abounds as floodwaters continue to rise after levee breaches

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050830/050830_katrina_hlrg_10a.hlarge.jpg
Floodwaters from Hurricane Katrina flow over a levee in New Orleans on Tuesday.

Because of two levees that broke Tuesday, the city was rapidly filling with water, the governor said. She also said the power could be out for a long time, and the storm broke a major water main, leaving the city without drinkable water.

“There’s a serious leak and it’s causing the water to continue to rise,” New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin confirmed. Adding to the problem were malfunctions in the system the city uses to pump out floodwaters.


In one case, representatives from the same agency were quoted in different places directly contradicting each other.

The rising waters and failing pumps were thwarting rescuers' efforts to pull hurricane victims to safety and assess the damage, but "many, many reports" of bodies floating in the flood tide made clear the deadly impact on the Crescent City, said (Mayor) Nagin.

"We probably have 80 percent of our city under water," Nagin added, "with some sections of our city the water is as deep as 20 feet. We still have many of our residents on roofs. Both airports are under water."

Television footage showed plenty of other problems for New Orleans, including buildings on fire. And police said they had made a number of arrests for looting.

The developing nature of the disaster made it impossible for officials to give specific accounts of which portions of the city were flooded, but aerial video showed standing water and destruction literally everywhere.

'A lot of people awaiting rescue'
"All I know is when my people go out, they tell me there are a lot of people awaiting rescue. I hear there are hundreds of people still on their rooftops," said Gen. Ralph Lupin, commander of National Guard troops at the Superdome in New Orleans, where some 10,000 people had taken shelter.

Eighty percent of the city's 485,000 residents had heeded orders to evacuate the city before the storm hit.

Federal Emergency Management Agency Michael Brown said "it’s going to be weeks at least before people can get back" to their homes and business in New Orleans.

And when they do return, "it’s going to be incredibly dangerous" because of structural damage to homes, diseases from animal carcasses and chemicals in homes, he said.

Two kinds of levees
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Interactives/Weather/Hurricane/Katrina/Levees_v1.gif

He said that New Orleans has two types of levees: one set holds the water back from the Mississippi River; the others provide protection from Lake Pontchartrain when it swells during hurricanes and other storms. [/quote]

Sdallnct
08-30-05, 04:24 PM
then they shouldn't live in a flood prone area
the gulf and atlantic coasts get multiple hurricanes every year. Sure most aren't this strong, but they still cause flooding. So living in these areas flooding is fairly likely

Look you don't have to convince me, I'm "in the business", so I wish everyone would buy insurance and lots of it. But the reality it just doesn't happen.

Just like folks who live near a forest don't have enough fire insurance.
Just like those who live in California don't have earthquake insurance.
Just like those who have a family don't buy life insurance.

Education is key. But unfortunately insurance is one of those things nobody wants to think about till they need it. But then it is to late.

BTW, when was the last time you sat with your professional to make sure you were covered correctly???? ;)

Y2K Falcon
08-30-05, 04:24 PM
Article Part II of II

Disagreement over problem
While some media accounts quoted unnamed officials as saying they had begun dropping 3,000-pound sandbags into the breach and were confident the problem could be solved within hours, other officials scoffed at that notion.

In one case, representatives from the same agency were quoted in different places directly contradicting each other.

“It’s a very slow rise, and it will remain so until we plug that breach. I think we can get it stabilized in a few hours,” said Terry Ebbert, New Orleans’ homeland security chief.

But Mark Smith, a spokesman with the security office, told the Shreveport (La.) Times, “That breach is not going to be fixed today, tomorrow or the next day.”

So far, Mayor Nagin said, the historic French Quarter and central business district had not been badly flooded.

But Tulane University Medical Center Vice President Karen Troyer-Caraway said the downtown hospital was surrounded by 6 feet of water and officials were considering evacuating its 1,000 patients.

'Whitecaps on Canal Street'
“The water is rising so fast I cannot begin to describe how quickly it’s rising,” she said. “We have whitecaps on Canal Street, the water is moving so fast.”

"No one anticipated this," NBC News' Brian Williams reported earlier, standing knee-deep in floodwaters in the quarter.

The rising waters and failing pumps were thwarting rescuers' efforts to pull hurricane victims to safety and assess the damage, but "many, many reports" of bodies floating in the flood tide made clear the deadly impact on the Crescent City, said Nagin.

"We probably have 80 percent of our city under water," Nagin added, "with some sections of our city the water is as deep as 20 feet. We still have many of our residents on roofs. Both airports are under water."

Television footage showed plenty of other problems for New Orleans, including buildings on fire. And police said they had made a number of arrests for looting.

The developing nature of the disaster made it impossible for officials to give specific accounts of which portions of the city were flooded, but aerial video showed standing water and destruction literally everywhere.

'A lot of people awaiting rescue'
"All I know is when my people go out, they tell me there are a lot of people awaiting rescue. I hear there are hundreds of people still on their rooftops," said Gen. Ralph Lupin, commander of National Guard troops at the Superdome in New Orleans, where some 10,000 people had taken shelter.

Eighty percent of the city's 485,000 residents had heeded orders to evacuate the city before the storm hit.

Federal Emergency Management Agency Michael Brown said "it’s going to be weeks at least before people can get back" to their homes and business in New Orleans.

And when they do return, "it’s going to be incredibly dangerous" because of structural damage to homes, diseases from animal carcasses and chemicals in homes, he said.

Two kinds of levees
As officials tried to inspect the damage to the levees, Lt. Gen. Robert Flowers, the retired chief of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, explained the "very extensive" system to MSNBC viewers.

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He said that New Orleans has two types of levees: one set holds the water back from the Mississippi River; the others provide protection from Lake Pontchartrain when it swells during hurricanes and other storms. Flowers said that he noticed in his time with the Corp that development and loss of wetlands along Louisiana's coast had cost New Orleans a lot of "natural hurricane protection."

As to clearing the floodwaters amid the broken levees, Flowers explained that "some pumping can be done while those levees are being repaired." However, "This is a tough one. They're in for a long, hard pull in recovering from Katrina."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9130254/

mrpayroll
08-30-05, 04:26 PM
Y2K Falcon, reposts! :lol:

Chris

nemein
08-30-05, 04:28 PM
Considering what/where NO was it might be possible some companies would refuse to sell them flood insurance (although I guess there is a federal program that covers them if they can't get private insurance right?). The interesting question/debate now IMHO is whether or not we should rebuild NO, atleast in the form it was before. Maybe we should take a lesson from Hong Kong and built up the foundation first and then rebuild the city.

Sdallnct
08-30-05, 04:30 PM
I worked one Catastrophe where people lost their homes, the State came in and built a neighborhood using mobile homes. I bet they have to do something like that here. However, the Catastrophe I worked were they did that was fires and about 500 homes were burned up. I think they brought in about 150 mobile homes for those that did not have insurance or enough. Can you imagin what they would need in the N.O. area???

nemein
08-30-05, 04:31 PM
Please continue the discussion here http://dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=436142