My guest will be San Diego Chargers. Reason schedule is very difficult.
Elldubtoo
08-26-05, 01:03 AM
The Green Bay Packers. From playoff team to 2-14.
mautos
08-26-05, 01:35 AM
The Green Bay Packers. From playoff team to 2-14.
2-14? I really don't see how a team could fall that badly...
MovieMaster11
08-26-05, 04:15 AM
2-14? what kind of crack are you smoking? We are talking about the Packers not the Bears.
twikoff
08-26-05, 08:01 AM
2-14? what kind of crack are you smoking? We are talking about the Packers not the Bears.
he isnt smoking anything
he is always that -screwy-
Iron Chef
08-26-05, 08:41 AM
He's a total gimmick poster. Hating the Packers is his "thing".
Red Dog
08-26-05, 10:06 AM
I don't see the Steelers doing anything close to 15-1. Probably 9-7 or 10-6.
grrrah
08-26-05, 12:07 PM
The Green Bay Packers. From playoff team to 2-14.
I don't think they will go 2-14, but I do agree that they will be the biggest dissapointment. my guess is 6-10, out of playoffs.
Elldubtoo
08-26-05, 12:15 PM
I don't think they will go 2-14, but I do agree that they will be the biggest dissapointment. my guess is 6-10, out of playoffs.
Seriously, my guess is 5-11.
mautos
08-26-05, 12:17 PM
Seriously, my guess is 5-11.
I just don't understand where this free fall is comign from if Favre said he's in the best shape of his life, Javon Walker is a year older, ad wiser, and Ahman Green is still their running back.
chrisih8u
08-26-05, 12:19 PM
Do you really think Favre is in the best shape of his life? Everyone says that at the beginning of the season.
Elldubtoo
08-26-05, 12:31 PM
I just don't understand where this free fall is comign from if Favre said he's in the best shape of his life, Javon Walker is a year older, ad wiser, and Ahman Green is still their running back.
How about:
Poor draft
No defense
Crappy O-Line
Improvement within the division (well except the Bears)
Brett Favre a year older
I don't see any improvement the Packers made during the offseason and they are all a year older now (old veterans got older too)
Plus Brett Favre sucks!
Elldubtoo
08-26-05, 12:32 PM
Favre said he's in the best shape of his life.
No shit, he isn't going to say "I'm in the worst shape of my life" or even "My shape is average compared to the rest of my life."
Elldubtoo
08-26-05, 12:38 PM
With the schedule:
1 at Detroit (L)
2 Cleveland (W)
3 Tampa Bay (W)
4 at Carolina (L)
5 New Orleans (L*)
6 BYE WEEK
7 at Minnesota (L)
8 at Cincinnati (L)
9 Pittsburgh (L)
10 at Atlanta (L)
11 Minnesota (L)
12 at Philadelphia (L)
13 at Chicago (L)
14 Detroit (W)
15 at Baltimore (L)
16 Chicago (W)
17 Seattle (L*)
* They will beat either New Orleans in Week 5 or Seattle in Week 17 to make it 5 wins.
Tarantino
08-26-05, 01:27 PM
Although I'm not in the same boat, a lot of my friends think my favorite team, the Pittsburgh Steelers, will disappoint, saying Big Ben's rookie season was a fluke. We shall see.
As for my answer, I see the Seahawks missing the playoffs.
Daryl
08-26-05, 01:29 PM
San Diego (Super)Chargers, their non-division schedule is brutal, not to mention they will be flying across the country for most of their toughest games, which all happen to have 1:00 EST kickoffs, as well
at NE, at Philly, at the Jets, at Indy - plus Pitt and Buffalo at home. And toss in their annual loss at Denver
Red Dog
08-26-05, 01:35 PM
San Diego (Super)Chargers, their non-division schedule is brutal, not to mention they will be flying across the country for most of their toughest games, which all happen to have 1:00 EST kickoffs, as well
at NE, at Philly, at the Jets, at Indy - plus Pitt and Buffalo at home. And toss in their annual loss at Denver
Good point.
I was thinking about taking the Under on their win total. I expected to see it at 9 or 9.5, but it was 8 on bodog, so others must have the same idea.
mautos
08-26-05, 01:36 PM
No shit, he isn't going to say "I'm in the worst shape of my life" or even "My shape is average compared to the rest of my life."
Umm actually he said that this season he actually went into a very intricate training regimen to be ready for this season, which he had not done in the past. so I believe he said in the past he hasn't been in top shape, but this year he has worked himself into it.
And crappy O-line? Favre was sacked only 12 times last year? I would say that is a pretty decent o-line to me. As far as the draft, are you telling me they should have taken someone other than Rodgers? IT was a no brainer that they had to take a guy who dropped that far and was a potential #1.
The Lions can improve all they want within the division, with Harrington/Garcia at QB they will never be anything. I don't care what their group of Wide receivers looks like.
As far as no defense...sure I wont argue that their defense is lacking, however their defensive line is solid in my opinion, and if maybe Ahmad Carroll can step up this year they can slightly improve over last year. So I think 5-11 is a bad idea of the packer season, and in my opinion 9-7 is a more likely target.
lotsofdvds
08-26-05, 01:43 PM
My Jags will be lucky to reach 9-7 again this year.
The Bus
08-26-05, 01:45 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say the Eagles will not make it to the NFC Championship this year. Not because other teams are great, but I have this bad feeling they will implode.
Call it Philly sports fan's instinct...
(I hope they win the SB, but every Philly fan has a knot in their gut waiting for the other shoe to drop).
Chew
08-26-05, 01:53 PM
And crappy O-line? Favre was sacked only 12 times last year? I would say that is a pretty decent o-line to me.
Well, they did lose both Guards in the off-season.
Goat3001
08-26-05, 02:01 PM
Steelers: Rothlessbacon will have a similar season to last year but will finish 9-7 or 10-6. Other teams will realize how overrated Big Ben really was last year.
Chargers: I simply don't think Drew Brees will have that good of a season again. They'll finish 8-8 or 9-7 and just missing the playoffs.
Patriots: With Romeo and Charlie gone they won't have such an amazing season. They're defense is also a little weaker without Tedi Brushci and Ty Law. But they're still good, they'll finish with 11 wins.
Eagles: How long before T.O and McNabb just snap on eachother? Probably after the first loss.
Shannon Nutt
08-26-05, 03:31 PM
I don't see the Steelers doing anything close to 15-1. Probably 9-7 or 10-6.
More like 11-5 - but that's an indication of a harder schedule, not loss of talent...if anything, they have a better team this year - their defense has actually IMPROVED, if one can believe that.
Obviously, the Patriots are going to drop off a bit...but they'll still be a playoff contender. Biggest drop off may be the Eagles (7-9?, 8-8?) or, as someone mentioned, the Packers (7-9...or maybe worse). The Packers defense is a train wreck. Farve should keep them from totally falling out of contention, though.
BTW, those that think the Steelers season hinges on how good or bad Roethlisberger plays doesn't know how this team works...they have NEVER needed a good quarterback to play well...just an adequate quarterback. You're talking about a team that went to several AFC championship games with Kordell Stewart and one Super Bowl with Neil O'Donnell.
Goat3001
08-26-05, 04:04 PM
BTW, those that think the Steelers season hinges on how good or bad Roethlisberger plays doesn't know how this team works...they have NEVER needed a good quarterback to play well...just an adequate quarterback. You're talking about a team that went to several AFC championship games with Kordell Stewart and one Super Bowl with Neil O'Donnell.
I know this and is the main reason why I dislike Big Ben. He's just a decent QB, middle of the pack in the AFC. However, whenever I turned on Sportscenter last season all I heard about was Big Ben.
hondo21
08-26-05, 04:11 PM
I know this and is the main reason why I dislike Big Ben. He's just a decent QB, middle of the pack in the AFC. However, whenever I turned on Sportscenter last season all I heard about was Big Ben.Sounds like a reason to dislike Sportscenter, not Big Ben. Can he help it they overhyped him?
Mr. Cinema
08-26-05, 04:18 PM
I'm going with San Diego. I am not a Drew Brees fan. I think his '04 season was a fluke.
mautos
08-26-05, 04:18 PM
Sounds like a reason to dislike Sportscenter, not Big Ben. Can he help it they overhyped him?
LOL where is this defence for Brett Favre when all the haters come out to play. To be honest though, there is good reason to have Ben on Sportscenter every other day, I mean the guy didn't lose. Who cares if his numbers weren't top tier quarterback numbers, he managed to do it when it counted and make the Steelers a 15-1 team. But yeah he doesn't seem like that amazing of a quarterback fundamentally and skill wise, but i'll give him credit...he knows how to win.
hondo21
08-26-05, 05:26 PM
As a Steeler fan I fear that Ben will let success go to his head. Hope not. We want him to stay humble, stay within himself, and progress to the next level by learning how to counter the max coverage defenses that other teams are starting to throw at him. Just play within the system and rely on the talents of your teammates.
I admire Favre, by the way. I don't hate a guy just because the sportscasters (like Madden - or was it Frank Caliendo?) gush all over him.
tommyp007
08-26-05, 05:37 PM
I'll say Atlanta fails to make the playoffs and ends up about 7-9
CRM114
08-26-05, 06:37 PM
I'm usually one that defends Favre but anyone that has watched him over the years has to admit his game has slid in the last couple years.
mautos
08-26-05, 06:55 PM
I'm usually one that defends Favre but anyone that has watched him over the years has to admit his game has slid in the last couple years.
Well yes of course it has...but has it slipped to the level that some of the people on this board accuse him of is really the question.
Goat3001
08-26-05, 10:05 PM
Sounds like a reason to dislike Sportscenter, not Big Ben. Can he help it they overhyped him?
That is a very true but its the same reason why people hate guys like Derek Jeter. Media overrating a player = Fans disliking the player instead of the media. I guess thats just how it works.
LOL where is this defence for Brett Favre when all the haters come out to play. To be honest though, there is good reason to have Ben on Sportscenter every other day, I mean the guy didn't lose. Who cares if his numbers weren't top tier quarterback numbers, he managed to do it when it counted and make the Steelers a 15-1 team. But yeah he doesn't seem like that amazing of a quarterback fundamentally and skill wise, but i'll give him credit...he knows how to win
Wins when it counts? I disagree. Don't get me wrong 15-1 is a pretty sharp record (especially for a rookie) but Ben did nothing to help his team win in the playoffs. Winning in the playoffs is "when it counts".
Here are his stats for 2 playoff games:
Div. vs. Jets: 17 of 30 for 181 yards 1 TD 2 INT = 57.8 rating
Conf. vs. NE: 14 of 24 for 226 yards 2 TD 3 INT = 78..1 rating
Flashback
08-27-05, 01:13 AM
I'm usually one that defends Favre but anyone that has watched him over the years has to admit his game has slid in the last couple years.
Did we not (not you but the board) have a long argument last season about how Favre was terrible?
Tarantino
08-28-05, 03:54 AM
I know this and is the main reason why I dislike Big Ben. He's just a decent QB, middle of the pack in the AFC. However, whenever I turned on Sportscenter last season all I heard about was Big Ben.
When a team with a rookie quarterback goes 15-1, of course you're going to hear about him over and over again. It's a feat that's never been done. He may be 'just a decent QB', but he was a rookie and he didn't implode like many rookies do.
= J
brizz
08-28-05, 04:57 AM
Patriots: Welcome to .500 mr. Brady!
D_LO
08-28-05, 07:45 AM
Wins when it counts? I disagree. Don't get me wrong 15-1 is a pretty sharp record (especially for a rookie) but Ben did nothing to help his team win in the playoffs. Winning in the playoffs is "when it counts".
Here are his stats for 2 playoff games:
Div. vs. Jets: 17 of 30 for 181 yards 1 TD 2 INT = 57.8 rating
Conf. vs. NE: 14 of 24 for 226 yards 2 TD 3 INT = 78..1 rating
he definately didnt help the steelers win but if you take away the TWO bombs the defense gave up against the patriots it might have been a diffrent ball game
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