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LASERMOVIES
08-22-05, 07:21 PM
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-mexico22aug22,1,6859807,full.story


Mexican Hopefuls Eye Voters in L.A.
With immigrants now able to mail in ballots, presidential candidates plan campaign stops.
By Sam Enriquez
Times Staff Writer

August 22, 2005

MEXICO CITY — The 2006 Mexican presidential campaign kicks off after Labor Day — in Los Angeles.

The leading contenders are planning appearances in L.A. this fall, campaign aides confirm, in a bid to capture the attention and support of their country's newest constituency.

Last month, Mexicans living abroad were granted the right to vote by mail, beginning with the presidential election in July 2006.

There are estimated to be 10 million adult Mexicans living in the United States, and experts say a third or less are eligible to vote, though it is anybody's guess how many will cast ballots. About 37 million people, 64% of the registered electorate, voted in Mexico's 2000 presidential election.

The front-runners want to make every vote count, and they have little time. Mexican election laws forbid campaign appearances outside the country after candidates are selected this fall.

The right to vote abroad, and the billions of dollars sent home by emigrants each year, has turned the spotlight on a group of men and women more accustomed to being ignored.

"This is finally the chance to ask them what we want them to do for us in the United States, and for our families back home," said Primitivo Rodriguez, a voting rights advocate in Mexico. "As Mexican Americans have dramatically decreased their dialogue with the Mexican government, this shows the growing presence of a new Mexican voice in the U.S."

The U.S. immigrants come largely from poor villages in half a dozen Mexican states. But they learn trades and earn American salaries, extending a strong influence over family and friends back home. Their success inspires more and more Mexicans to seek a better life up north. And their growing numbers trigger unease among many Americans.

Now they have the attention of Mexico's political leaders.

The leading presidential contender, according to polls, is Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, who stepped down last month as mayor of Mexico City to campaign full time. His campaign lieutenant first talked of a Southern California visit during the inaugural of Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa in July.

So far, none of the candidates have set dates, each apparently waiting to first see what the other is going to do.

Before the mail-in balloting was approved, Mexicans living abroad had to return to their homeland if they wanted to vote.

Now the stakes have risen. When Cuauhtemoc Cardenas, the founder of Lopez Obrador's left-of-center Democratic Revolution Party, or PRD, came to Los Angeles in May 2000 to campaign for president, he drew about 250 supporters to an Olvera Street rally.

If Lopez Obrador could plan his visit for Sept. 15, Mexico's Independence Day, "we'll have at least 100,000 people" lining the streets of Huntington Park, said Felipe Aguirre in a telephone interview from Maywood. The paralegal is the party's former California chairman.

Roberto Madrazo and Arturo Montiel, both seeking the nomination of the Institutional Revolutionary Party, known as PRI, will be their party's first rivals to campaign toe to toe in the United States when they visit Los Angeles this fall.

The PRI ruled Mexico for 71 years before losing the presidency in 2000 to Vicente Fox of PAN, the National Action Party.

Mexico allows only one six-year term, so Fox is supporting Santiago Creel, his former interior minister who resigned in June to campaign. Creel, who is the weakest of the front-runners according to polls, has not said whether he would campaign abroad.

Fox also came to California in May 2000, but skipped Los Angeles to give a speech to the state Senate in Sacramento.

This season, PAN's president, Manuel Espino, will visit Los Angeles this month, ostensibly to incorporate for the first time concerns of Mexico's many expatriates into the party's 2006 platform.

Madrazo, the PRI president, is also L.A.-bound. Norwalk die-maker Jose Angel Gonzalez, reached by telephone, said he and other PRI supporters were already preparing their questions.

For starters, he said: How about federal legislation allowing migrants living in the United States to hold office throughout Mexico? Right now, it is allowed only in the state of Zacatecas, where Gonzalez travels once a month to serve as a councilman in his hometown, Fresnillo.

"We want a proposal from him," said Gonzalez, 55, who has lived in Norwalk for more than 30 years. "People from Jalisco, Guerrero, they want the same opportunity."

He backs Madrazo but wants a chance to explain first-hand the difficulties facing Mexicans abroad.

"We see our people suffering," Gonzalez said. "Police tow away their cars because they cannot get driver's licenses. People are dying in the desert trying to get here. People in Mexico don't know what it's really like here."

Most of his friends support some form of amnesty for the millions of Mexicans living illegally in the United States, Gonzalez said. He would like Madrazo to negotiate the idea with President Bush.

"People who are here aren't going back, and employers need cheap labor," he said.

"Let's have temporary work permits for three months, six months, a year. If they're good citizens, then give them a chance to apply for a green card. That would take away the money in smuggling people across the border, and less people would die in the desert."

With Madrazo, one of the most powerful men in Mexican politics, facing opposition within his own party, he is more likely to listen to such demands, Gonzalez said.

Aguirre, of the PRD, said Lopez Obrador also would get a chance to prove he cared about Mexicans living abroad.

"He's never been a champion of immigrant rights," Aguirre said. "But he may come around now because of the campaign. If he wins over the migrants, that popularity could pull a lot of votes in Mexico."

Mexico's Federal Electoral Institute is working on plans to reach Mexicans living outside the country through consulates, the Internet and hometown civic organizations. Those immigrants with voter cards can request ballots by mail from Oct. 1 to Jan. 15. They must be mailed back to Mexico between April 2 and June 30.

The electoral institute said Friday it would spend $100 million on the mail-in balloting.

Mexican political consultant Alfonso Zarate said the influence of expatriates in the 2006 election would outweigh the number of ballots cast.

The vote abroad, he said, is largely symbolic, but "it's still important for candidates to make an appearance."

The best estimate of the number of eligible voters in the United States was drawn from surveys in the last year of Mexicans in line at consulate offices in seven U.S. cities by the Pew Hispanic Center, based in Washington. They reported that 42% of people polled said they held valid voter registration cards.

But center director Roberto Suro said the survey favored more recent immigrants. The percentage holding voter cards, he said, was much lower among Mexicans who had lived in the U.S. for several years or more.

How many registered Mexican voters are there in the United States? "My best estimate is in the mid-3-million range," he said.

As far as turnout, Suro wouldn't venture a guess: "You have to ask, 'What is the propensity to vote? How hard or how easy is it to register?' "

The law also gives 15 million or so Mexican Americans the right to cast ballots if they are willing to travel to Mexico with proof that one or more parents was born there, and then wait a couple of weeks for their voter-registration application to be processed.

As a practical matter, voting rights advocate Rodriguez said, "I don't expect Antonio Villaraigosa or Bill Richardson to vote in this election."

VinVega
08-22-05, 07:56 PM
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/3377/yakov5bl.jpg
What a Country!

LASERMOVIES
08-22-05, 08:01 PM
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/mexicobillboard.jpg

Myster X
08-23-05, 01:23 AM
It funny that Mexico has no problem with the above sign but bitch and moan about this
http://www.bustedtees.com/images/newmexico.47.home_thumb.jpg

Ranger
08-23-05, 01:36 AM
Isn't this similar to the absentee voting Iraqi citizens had in America?

Plus their votes were taken at embassies and some military bases.

I think this Mexican vote is only by mail, so I'm not sure why this is a big deal?

I think it's a pretty normal process at most embassies for foreign citizens to vote.

LASERMOVIES
08-23-05, 01:39 AM
Isn't this similar to the absentee voting Iraqi citizens had in America?

Plus their votes were taken at embassies and some military bases.

I think this Mexican vote is only by mail, so I'm not sure why this is a big deal?

I think it's a pretty normal process at most embassies for foreign citizens to vote.

Isn't it unusual to have presidential candidates from a foreign country coming into the United States to campaign?

Ranger
08-23-05, 01:44 AM
Before the big Iraqi election, Iraqi leaders visited the U.S. Congress, didn't they?

I'm pretty sure British citizens can vote at their embassies here. Tony Blair has been here several times.

So isn't it fair to say that these can be seen as examples of campaigning?

Mordred
08-23-05, 12:03 PM
Please don't take this the wrong way, but has LASERMOVIES ever posted in a thread that wasn't about illegal immigration? Just curious is all.

Giantrobo
08-23-05, 02:48 PM
Please don't take this the wrong way, but has LASERMOVIES ever posted in a thread that wasn't about illegal immigration? Just curious is all.

Hmm, don't know. Don't care either. Obviously it's an issue that's important to him and others.

Mordred
08-23-05, 02:52 PM
Hmm, don't know. Don't care either. Obviously it's an issue that's important to him and others.Obviously, and I wasn't saying it's not important. It's just everytime I see his name as thread starter or last poster I'm 100% correct in assuming it's a thread about illegal immigration :)

Myster X
08-23-05, 03:26 PM
On Immigration Policy, We've Got It Backward

http://www.fortune.com/fortune/valuedriven/0,15704,1096866,00.html?promoid=yahoo

As globalizing labor markets revolutionize the work lives of millions, we Americans have to face some uncomfortable new realities. Could it be that we're actually not worth what we're paid? Is it possible that our schools just aren't good enough? Next up for rethinking: our nutty immigration policy.

Consider two groups of people who want to enter the U.S. and work. Group one observes the rules meticulously. When they get here, they pay taxes, sometimes in quite large amounts. By law, they're here only because no American is available to do the work they're doing, and that work is so valuable that it helps U.S. companies create more jobs for Americans—an average of three to five jobs for every one of these workers. Our official stance toward them? We severely restrict the number we admit and very effectively keep out any beyond the legal limit.

Group two is just the opposite. Many of them violate the rules, not only in entering the U.S. but by using forged documents once they're here. Many of them also evade taxes, and some of them, by working illegally at below-market wages, take jobs from U.S. citizens who follow the rules. Our stance toward these workers? Officially we don't allow them in, but in practice we let hundreds of thousands enter the country every year.

Group one comprises highly skilled workers who come to the U.S. on H1-B visas. Group two is made up of the illegal immigrants who do lawn care, meat processing, house painting, and other low-skilled U.S. jobs. And while it sounds as if group one is desirable and group two isn't, that's not quite right. In fact, they're more similar than different.

The U.S. labor force has long had shortages at the very top and the very bottom. Most people are trained and suited for the broad middle, leaving them overqualified for the lowest- level jobs and underqualified for the highest. Yes, our flexible labor markets should solve that problem, but for whatever reason, they don't. So we turn to foreign workers to fill some of the gaps.

The result is group one and group two, both of which we need. The reason one looks good and the other bad is that by the nature of their work we're able to thwart market demand and keep one group out, but not the other. A highly skilled computer engineer doesn't need to risk his life crossing the border illegally, and a big firm like Intel or Microsoft wouldn't employ him if he did, so illegal-immigrant chip designers are just not an issue. But a Mexican farmworker may find the risk worthwhile, and the farmers who will employ him don't care how he got here. So we can stop foreigners from working in Silicon Valley but not in the Central Valley. Yet both places need them.

The situation is going to heat up politically in the next few months. Resentment toward illegal immigrants is building among working-class Americans, who already feel threatened by outsourcing and by the rise of China and India. Voicing the anger of those voters are a number of politicians, notably Representative Tom Tancredo (R-Colorado), who says he'll run for President on an anti-immigration platform. At the same time, as America loses its technology edge, high-tech employers are pleading more loudly for a higher cap on H1-B visas so that they can bring the best foreign workers here rather than let them stay home and work for the competition. Look for Congress to begin hard work on some kind of comprehensive immigration bill this fall.

What should it say? The best solution for group one is simple: Eliminate the cap on H1-B visas, currently just 65,000 a year. That is hardly a radical notion. For nearly 40 years, until 1990, there was no cap. Now is the worst time to be turning away some of the world's most capable, value-creating workers. The solution for group two is more complicated, but the outline is clear. Forget about deporting them. It's impossible, and any attempt would just waste billions of dollars. Instead, make it worth their while to become tax-paying, on-the-books workers for at least a few years. Many would do it happily in return for one cost-free privilege: the right to travel freely between the U.S. and home.

Neither of those solutions will become law, but Congress will probably go some distance toward each one. Just how far it goes will be a measure of how comfortable America has become with the reality of today's labor markets.

Mordred
08-23-05, 04:15 PM
LASERMOVIES: looks like you deleted your post, but don't worry about it. I wasn't implying anything and I don't hang out in the other forums you post in apparently (except Other, but thats a big mess heh) so I only catch your name in Politics and it always seems to be about immigration. Don't sweat it.

LASERMOVIES
08-23-05, 04:18 PM
Sorry I am having problems with the web site causing my computer to crash. I just want it on record.

Someone needs to do a little researching before putting their own foot inside their mouth. Below are a few other topics I started in the political forum that should dispel the myth you are trying to create about me.

Most of the time I hang out in the DVD section of the forum, but yes I admit to posting in and starting immigration discussions because the subject interests me, and is a huge problem in my state.

However, I noticed there is no shortage of other forum members doing the same thing. I frequently see many of the same people in these discussions. I think you are politely trying to imply something else with your comments directed at me, but will give you the benefit of the doubt I'm misinterpreting what you mean.

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=434653

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=431920

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=431920

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=432522

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=432389

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=430327

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=430327

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=427283
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Mordred
08-23-05, 04:21 PM
I stand corrected. I think I missed most of those threads the first time through.

kvrdave
08-23-05, 05:58 PM
Isn't it unusual to have presidential candidates from a foreign country coming into the United States to campaign?

It would be one thing to simply have them visit, but the campaign is KICKING OFF on foreign soil. That is amazing. :up:

Gallant Pig
08-23-05, 11:55 PM
It would be one thing to simply have them visit, but the campaign is KICKING OFF on foreign soil. That is amazing. :up:

Reading the article, I don't see where it actually says they are "kicking it off here". All I see is "making appearances this fall before they aren't allowed to campaign abroad".

Myster X
08-25-05, 06:54 PM
too bad, there's no machine gun on the chopper

Rocks Thrown at Border Patrol Chopper

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/08/25/D8C71P6O0.html

YUMA, Ariz.


Illegal immigrants threw rocks at a Border Patrol helicopter, forcing the pilot to make an emergency landing when one of the rocks damaged the rotor, the agency said.

Neither the pilot nor the Border Patrol observer was injured.

The A-Star helicopter was two miles west of the U.S. Port of Entry in Andrade, Calif., on Tuesday when a group of immigrants began throwing rocks at the aircraft.

One baseball-sized rock gashed the rotor, forcing the pilot to land nearby, said Michael Gramley, spokesman for the Border Patrol sector based in Yuma, Ariz.

Gramley said he did not know how high the helicopter was hovering when it was struck, but he said it was being repaired and is expected back in service soon.

After the incident, 17 people were apprehended for illegally crossing the border, and two of them were being investigated for smuggling. Ten immigrants evaded capture.

The investigation into the rock-throwing was continuing.

DVD Polizei
08-25-05, 07:05 PM
I can certify LaserMovies is a legal immigrant, and I would have him pick my Cherry Tree any day.

LASERMOVIES
08-25-05, 09:40 PM
I can certify LaserMovies is a legal immigrant, and I would have him pick my Cherry Tree any day.

I'll do it if I can have half the cherries.

LASERMOVIES
08-28-05, 03:44 PM
It doesn't appear the campaign event worked out very well.

http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/regstate/articles/1699036.html

Sunday, August 28, 2005
Mexico-style campaign hits hurdle in Los Angeles area

By S. Lynne Walker
Copley News Service

Manuel Espino looked at a sea of empty chairs in the South Gate High School auditorium Saturday and contemplated the magnitude of the challenge facing Mexico's political parties.

Espino, the leader of President Vicente Fox's National Action Party, was here to court Mexicans who in June won the historic right to vote by absentee ballot in the 2006 presidential election.



But nothing was going as planned.

A powerful politician whose appearances in Mexico command big crowds and thundering applause, Espino expected supporters to fly in from all over the United States to talk about the immigration plank in his party's campaign platform.

Instead, less than 40 seats in the high school auditorium were filled.

The empty seats provided a harsh lesson about how hard he and other politicians will have to work to win the votes of an estimated 4 million registered voters eligible to cast ballots in next year's election.

As his eyes swept the meager crowd, Espino said, "This is a good experience for us. It tells us the size of the job we have to do to stir interest among Mexicans in the United States in participating in decisions in our country."

The embarrassingly low turnout underscored the huge task Mexico's parties face in the final 10 months before the presidential election.

One in 10 Mexicans now lives in outside their country. Roughly 98 percent of those expatriates -- an estimated 11 million -- live in the United States.

In a close election, which the 2006 presidential election is expected to be, the U.S. voters could be the deciding factor.

Nobody knows yet how to reach them.

Many of these potential voters left their country years, or even decades, ago. They have assimilated into small towns and big cities across the United States. Their children were born here. They own homes and businesses. At least 100 Mexican immigrants are U.S. millionaires.

Now that they are established in the United States and schooled in this country's democracy, they have become more demanding, more critical of the Mexican government.

"We want Mexico to progress, to develop economically so that when we go to the U.S. it is for pleasure, not out of necessity," said Luis de la Garza, who left Mexico 22 years ago and is now the owner of a Spanish-language television station and a Spanish-language radio station in Dallas. "If we develop Mexico, we can slow immigration."

The expatriates have the luxury of looking to their roots and searching for a way to make Mexico a better place for those they left behind. And they hold powerful sway over family members in pueblos dotting Mexico who seek their opinions before casting ballots.

"The politicians understand that the vote of each immigrant is a double vote," said Carlos Olamendi, who left Mexico 25 years ago and now runs a restaurant in Orange County. "Immigrants have value because they have influence."

They are pushing the Mexican government to turn its attention to the impoverished countryside. And they are urging changes in financial regulations that would make it easier for them to invest in their own country. They insist that they have the right to the same financial concessions granted by the Mexican government to foreign companies that invest in Mexico.

Immigrants send home billions of dollars a year. In 2005, the figure will reach nearly $19 billion. But their ambitions now stretch beyond helping their families and contributing to public works projects.

"Immigrants are not waiting for what the parties promise," said Primitivo Rodriguez, Mexico coordinator of the Coalition for the Political Rights of Mexicans abroad, who lived in the United States for nearly 20 years before returning to Mexico. "They are saying this is what we demand. This is what we need. Now there is real pressure."

Each of Mexico's three largest parties is searching for a way to tap into the immigrant community's growing wealth and political clout.

The Institutional Revolutionary Party, or PRI, sent the 24-year-old son of presidential hopeful Roberto Madrazo to the San Joaquin Valley earlier this month to talk with immigrants about the new law allowing them to vote by absentee ballot.

Meanwhile, the leftist Democratic Revolution Party, or PRD, has begun work on its own immigration platform, which will touch on issues like scholarships or the children of immigrants, programs for women and children immigrants who face crises in the U.S. and a bi-national health care program.

To win immigrants' vote, "our strategy is very simple," said PRD congressman Juan Jose Garcia. "We have to convince people to get their voter credential so they will be on the voter registration list in time to vote."

In December, when nearly 1 million immigrants return home for the holidays, the PRD plans to launch a voter registration drive in pueblos throughout the countryside, he said. The PRD also plans to extend its political structure in the U.S. beyond traditional states like California and Illinois to new migrant-receiving states such as North Carolina, Florida and Georgia.

"This is a great opportunity to create a political community in the United States," said Garcia. "All of the parties are now obligated to include in our platforms attention to issues that will win the immigrant vote."

But no one took as great a political risk as Espino did when he became the first party president after the June congressional vote to take the campaign to the United States.

He acknowledged his party is foundering in this uncharted territory, where none of the old patterns of Mexican politics apply.

"They're going for something new here, but they're working with Mexican rules," said Steve Weingarten, a communications consultant who attended Saturday's meeting of the National Action Party, or PAN. "This just doesn't play in America. They're Mexican, but they're used to the American trappings of how politics works."





http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-me-pan28aug28,1,4047157.story?coll=la-headlines-politics

Mexico's Ruling Party Woos Voters in the U.S.
North of the border, a rally urges support for the PAN candidate in 2006. For the first time, those living abroad will be allowed to vote.
By Daniel Hernandez
Times Staff Writer

August 28, 2005

The 2006 Mexican presidential race's first major north-of-the-border manifestation got off to a slow start on Saturday, as about 30 people attended a political platform forum in South Gate for the ruling National Action Party.

The party, known by its Spanish initials, PAN, held the forum to gauge voter concerns leading up to the first presidential election in which Mexicans living abroad, including millions in the United States, will be allowed to vote by mail.

Rallying support for PAN and the government of President Vicente Fox were Manuel Espino, the party's national president; Juan Carlos Romero Hicks, governor of Guanajuato state; and Cecilia Romero, a senator from Mexico City.

The audience in South Gate High School's auditorium consisted mostly of lower-level party operatives in the U.S., wearing shirts and ties of baby blue, PAN's signature color.

The low turnout did not diminish the event's symbolic significance for the political leaders and the few immigrant voters who attended.

Paulino Hermosillo, a South Los Angeles food service worker, said he is looking forward to voting for president of his homeland for the first time in more than 20 years.

Hermosillo, a naturalized U.S. citizen and lifelong PAN member, attended the forum with his wife and young daughter. He said he is proud and excited to be able to vote in two countries.

"Most of us came here because of the corrupt politics of PRI," said Hermosillo, 45, referring to the rival Institutional Revolutionary Party. "For us, this is a historic moment. I care about what happens in both places. I have made a family here."

But in Mexico, he added, "we've wanted a government to really care about us immigrants."

The PAN forum was the only such event the party scheduled in the United States on Saturday. Five other forums were scheduled in Mexican cities.

"This is the start of a coming together that will be more real, more palpable with the Mexicans living in the United States, because in PAN we believe Mexico is a country that transcends its borders, and we feel a debt to the Mexicans who have come to the United States over the years," said Romero, the senator.

As Mexico's three major parties prepare to add a new and distant constituency to the political landscape, political leaders expect to keep a close eye on voter interest in the race in Southern California, home to one of the largest populations of Mexicans in the world.

Experts estimate that between 3 million and 5 million Mexicans in the U.S. may vote in Mexico's election next year.

Presidential hopefuls are barred from campaigning outside Mexico once they are declared their parties' official candidates. But potential candidates are expected to make visits in the coming months to Los Angeles and other heavily Mexican cities in the U.S.

The center-right PAN hopes to retain control of Los Pinos, Mexico's White House, after breaking more than 70 years of one-party rule under PRI in 2000.

PAN's leading presidential contender, Santiago Creel, is trailing in polls behind likely candidates for the centrist PRI and the center-left Democratic Revolution Party, or PRD.

For weeks this spring, news of Fox's legal maneuvers to prevent popular Mexico City Mayor Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador from running for president dominated Spanish-language press reports in Southern California.

PAN was heavily criticized for attempting what some called an anti-democratic move to punish Lopez Obrador for defying a court order in 2001, which would have disqualified him from running for president.

The charges against Lopez Obrador, a PRD member, were eventually dropped, and he recently stepped down as mayor to campaign full time for president.

There was no talk of the controversy at the PAN forum Saturday. Instead, party leaders sought to remind their new constituents that the right to vote while living abroad was instituted during Fox's presidency, after years of stalled debate on the issue under PRI rule.

The PAN representatives told the audience Mexico has been making progress in economic growth, social welfare, human rights, democratic reforms and on environmental issues under their party's watch.

"It would be easy to fall into the old model of empty populism that only popularizes poverty," said Romero Hicks, governor of Guanajuato. Before, he added, "the Congress was practically running Los Pinos, and here I can say that."

jiggawhat
08-31-05, 03:39 PM
Why can't we have a shoot to kill policy at the border?

If we took one step near area 51, we'd be dead. Why can't they do this with the border?

Goldblum
08-31-05, 04:09 PM
You'd never find Area 51 to be able to step a foot near it.

I've said too much. -other-

Gallant Pig
08-31-05, 04:25 PM
Why can't we have a shoot to kill policy at the border?

If we took one step near area 51, we'd be dead. Why can't they do this with the border?

:wtf:

What does this have to do with election in Mexico?