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Old 08-20-05, 11:48 AM
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TV Talk Best Ever Tournament

Okay, there were a lot more nominations than I expected, so I expanded the brackets.

The following shows will receive a bye into the next round:

DRAMA BRACKET
"A Don don't wear shorts."
1. The Sopranos
2. Six Feet Under
3. NYPD Blue
4. The West Wing
5. Law and Order
6. Hill Street Blues
7. The Wire
8. The Shield

SCIENCE FICTION BRACKET
"Does anyone else here feel like they've been Keyzer Soze'd?"
1. Buffy the Vampire Slayer
2. The X-Files
3. Twin Peaks
4. Angel
5. Babylon 5
6. Star Trek: Deep Space 9
7. Star Trek: The Next Generation
8. Farscape

COMEDY BRACKET
"But are you master of your domain?"
1. Seinfeld
2. All in the Family
3. MASH
4. Cheers
5. The Dick Van Dyke Show
6. Scrubs
7. The Cosby Show
8. Arrested Development

OTHER BRACKET (Anything that didn't totally fit in the others.)
"Doughnuts. Is there anything they can't do?"
1. The Simpsons
2. The Wonder Years
3. Survivor
4. Saturday Night Live
5. The Office
6. Sports Night
7. Absolutely Fabulous
8. Fawlty Towers

The matchups for the first round will appear in the next post.
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FIRST ROUND MATCHUPS
Voting will begin as soon as I submit this puppy and continue until midnight Sunday evening, eastern time. Vote for which you think is the BEST show, not just your favorite. What constitutes "best?" Use your own criteria, but I'll be voting based on overall quality, writing, acting, direction, and importance in the history of TV.

DRAMA
17 Alias vs 16 Carnivale
24 Lou Grant vs 9 Homicide
21 Miami Vice vs 12 24
20 Magnum P.I. vs 13 L.A. Law
22 Picket Fences vs 11 Oz
19 Northern Exposure vs 14 E.R.
23 St Elsewhere vs 10 Deadwood
18 Gilmore Girls vs 15 thirtysomething

SCIENCE FICTION
17 Highlander vs 16 Red Dwarf
24 Tales From the Crypt vs 9 Battlestar Galactica (new)
21 Stargate SG1 vs 12 Quantum Leap
20 Earth: Final Conflict vs 13 Battlestar Galactica (old)
22 Enterprise vs 11 Star Trek
19 Dark Shadows vs 14 Dr Who
23 Star Trek Voyager vs 10 The Twilight Zone
15 The Outer Limits vs 18 Dead Like Me

COMEDY
17 Family Ties vs 16 Barney Miller
24 Strangers With Candy vs 9 I Love Lucy
21 Night Court vs 12 The Mary Tyler Moore show
20 The Andy Griffith Show vs 13 Married With Children
22 Newsradio vs 11 Frasier
19 Get Smart vs 14 Taxi
23 Golden Girls vs 10 Friends
18 Sex in the City vs 15 The Honeymooners

OTHER
17 Coupling vs 16 Futurama
24 Bonanza vs 9 South Park
21 The Ed Sullivan Show vs 12 Black Adder
20 The Tonight Show vs 13 Moonlighting
22 Kids in the Hall vs 11 The Carol Burnett Show
19 MacGyver vs 14 Monty Python
23 Gunsmoke vs 10 The Prisoner
18 Family Guy vs 15 The Amazing Race
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(I only voted when I knew each show well enough to make a comparison.)

DRAMA
20 Magnum P.I.
14 E.R.

SCIENCE FICTION
17 Highlander
12 Quantum Leap
11 Star Trek
10 The Twilight Zone

COMEDY
17 Family Ties
9 I Love Lucy
The Mary Tyler Moore show
13 Married With Children
22 Newsradio
14 Taxi
23 Golden Girls
15 The Honeymooners

OTHER
16 Futurama
South Park
20 The Tonight Show
18 Family Guy
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I don't understand this thread, but just wanted to say I'd never put Twin Peaks in the Science Fiction category.
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Drama

Carnivale
24
OZ

Science Fiction - I don't watch any of these

Comedy

Family Ties
Night Court
Married With Children
Fraiser

Other

South Park
Amazing Race


Best Ever:
Twin Peaks
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DRAMA
17 Alias
24 Lou Grant
12 24
20 Magnum P.I.
11 Oz
14 E.R.
23 St Elsewhere
15 thirtysomething

SCIENCE FICTION
skipped
24 Tales From the Crypt
12 Quantum Leap
13 Battlestar Galactica (old)
11 Star Trek
14 Dr Who
10 The Twilight Zone
15 The Outer Limits

COMEDY
16 Barney Miller
9 I Love Lucy
21 Night Court
13 Married With Children
11 Frasier
19 Get Smart
10 Friends
15 The Honeymooners

OTHER
16 Futurama
9 South Park
skipped
20 The Tonight Show
11 The Carol Burnett Show
14 Monty Python
23 Gunsmoke
18 Family Guy
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Originally Posted by saoirse
I don't understand this thread, but just wanted to say I'd never put Twin Peaks in the Science Fiction category.

It's in regards to this thread http://dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=434712
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I only voted in categories where I could make a judgement.

DRAMA

19 Northern Exposure
18 Gilmore Girls

SCIENCE FICTION

9 Battlestar Galactica (new)
12 Quantum Leap
11 Star Trek
14 Dr Who
10 The Twilight Zone
15 The Outer Limits

COMEDY

9 I Love Lucy
12 The Mary Tyler Moore Show
13 Married With Children
22 Newsradio
23 Golden Girls
15 The Honeymooners

OTHER

16 Futurama
9 South Park
12 Black Adder
22 Kids in the Hall
14 Monty Python
18 Family Guy
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DRAMA
17 Alias
9 Homicide
12 24
13 L.A. Law
22 Picket Fences
14 E.R.

18 Gilmore Girls

SCIENCE FICTION
17 Highlander
24 Tales From the Crypt
12 Quantum Leap

11 Star Trek

10 The Twilight Zone
15 The Outer Limits

COMEDY
16 Barney Miller
9 I Love Lucy
12 The Mary Tyler Moore show
13 Married With Children
11 Frasier
14 Taxi
23 Golden Girls
15 The Honeymooners

OTHER

24 Bonanza

13 Moonlighting
11 The Carol Burnett Show
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I'm also only voting on ones where I've seen enough of both shows

Sci-Fi:
16 Red Dwarf
9 BG (New)
21 Stargate: SG-1
13 BG (Old)
11 Star Trek
10 Twilight Zone
15 The Outer Limits

Comedy
21 Night Court
13 Married With Children
22 NewsRadio (harsh, I really like both shows)
19 Get Smart
10 Friends
15 The Honeymooners

Other
17 Coupling (another harsh one, not sure why they're in the "Other" category and not Comedy)
9 South Park
22 Kids in the Hall
14 Monty Python
10 The Prisoner
18 Family Guy
Old 08-20-05, 01:42 PM
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Best not favorite? Hmmm, I don't like that. How you feel about a show is too subjective. While I can respect a show I don't like, we're talking about the best of all time here. I can't choose a show I don't love as the best of all time.

DRAMA
9 Homicide
21 Miami Vice - I don't think I've ever seen Miami Vice, but there's no possible way it could be as bad as 24
13 L.A. Law
22 Picket Fences - tough one. It's been too long since I've seen Picket Fences, but I don't think it ever got as bad as Oz at it's worst. Of course Oz at it's best was better than PF. Damn, this is the toughest matchup on the list for me.
19 Northern Exposure
15 thirtysomething - GG is NOT a drama, but regardless I'd still give thirtysomething the edge

SCIENCE FICTION - Shouldn't be a category IMO, but I know sci-fi shows develop a stronger following than any other genre.

COMEDY
24 Strangers With Candy
22 Newsradio
10 Friends
18 Sex in the City

OTHER
17 Coupling
9 South Park
13 Moonlighting
22 Kids in the Hall
14 Monty Python
10 The Prisoner - this should be sci-fi and it only had 1 season
18 Family Guy

I think what I would've liked more than an other category is a dramedy category. There's a lot of shows on the list that would fit that category. I guess I can see one reason to separate the British shows. A complete run of many of them has less episodes than US shows that couldn't be on this list because they only had 1 season.
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DRAMA
16 Carnivale


COMEDY
17 Family Ties
24 Strangers With Candy
10 Friends
18 Sex in the City

OTHER
16 Futurama
9 South Park
22 Kids in the Hall
18 Family Guy
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DRAMA
16 Carnivale
13 L.A. Law
19 Northern Exposure
10 Deadwood


SCIENCE FICTION
9 Battlestar Galactica (new)
12 Quantum Leap
13 Battlestar Galactica (old)
11 Star Trek
14 Dr Who
10 The Twilight Zone
15 The Outer Limits

COMEDY
17 Family Ties
9 I Love Lucy
21 Night Court
20 The Andy Griffith Show
11 Frasier
14 Taxi
10 Friends


OTHER
17 Coupling
9 South Park
12 Black Adder
13 Moonlighting
22 Kids in the Hall
14 Monty Python

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DRAMA
16 Carnivale
9 Homicide
21 Miami Vice

11 Oz

10 Deadwood

SCIENCE FICTION

COMEDY
17 Family Ties
9 I Love Lucy

13 Married With Children
22 Newsradio
14 Taxi
10 Friends


OTHER
17 Coupling
9 South Park


22 Kids in the Hall
14 Monty Python

18 Family Guy
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What's the criteria for "Other," though? If it's a cartoon, Canadian or British, regardless of whether it's a comedy or drama? I
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How can you people vote for 24? He specified "best" not "favorite"

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17 Alias vs 16 Carnivale
22 Picket Fences vs 11 Oz
23 St Elsewhere vs 10 Deadwood
18 Gilmore Girls vs 15 thirtysomething

SCIENCE FICTION
21 Stargate SG1 vs 12 Quantum Leap
23 Star Trek Voyager vs 10 The Twilight Zone
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DRAMA
17 Alias
24 Lou Grant
12 24
13 L.A. Law
22 Picket Fences
14 E.R.
23 St Elsewhere
15 thirtysomething

SCIENCE FICTION
17 Highlander
9 Battlestar Galactica (new)
12 Quantum Leap
20 Earth: Final Conflict
11 Star Trek
19 Dark Shadows
23 Star Trek Voyager
18 Dead Like Me

COMEDY
17 Family Ties
9 I Love Lucy
12 The Mary Tyler Moore show
13 Married With Children
11 Frasier
19 Get Smart
10 Friends
18 Sex in the City

OTHER
17 Coupling
9 South Park
21 The Ed Sullivan Show
20 The Tonight Show
11 The Carol Burnett Show
19 MacGyver
10 The Prisoner
18 Family Guy
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DRAMA
Carnivale
Homicide
24
L.A. Law
Oz
Northern Exposure
Deadwood
Gilmore Girls

SCIENCE FICTION
Red Dwarf
Tales From the Crypt
Stargate SG1
Earth: Final Conflict
Star Trek
Dark Shadows
The Twilight Zone
Dead Like Me

COMEDY
Family Ties
Strangers With Candy
The Mary Tyler Moore show
Married With Children
Newsradio
Taxi
Golden Girls
Sex in the City

OTHER
Coupling
South Park
Black Adder
Moonlighting
Kids in the Hall
Monty Python
The Prisoner
The Amazing Race
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DRAMA
Carnivale
Homicide
24
L.A. Law
Oz
E.R.
23 St Elsewhere
18 Gilmore Girls


SciFi
Battlestar Galactica (new)
The Twilight Zone
Dead Like Me

COMEDY
Family Ties
I Love Lucy
Night Court
Married With Children
Newsradio
Get Smart
Friends
The Honeymooners

OTHER
Futurama
South Park
The Tonight Show
The Carol Burnett Show
Family Guy
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Drama

17 Alias
9 Homicide
12 24
20 Magmun PI
14 ER
23 ST Elsewhere

SciFI

24 Tales From the Crypy
12 Quantum Leap
11 Star Trek
10 Twilight Zone
15 Outer Limits

Comedy

17 Family Ties
9 I Love Lucy
21 Night Court
13 Married witrh Children
11 Frasier
14 Taxi
23 Golden Girls
18 Sex and the City

Other (odd category)

16 Futurama
9 SOuth Park
20 Tonight Show (carson only)
11 Carol Burnette Show
14 monty Python
23 Gunsmoke
15 Amazing Race
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For the shows I have an opinion on (watch):

DRAMA
21 Miami Vice vs 12 24
20 Magnum P.I. vs 13 L.A. Law
23 St Elsewhere vs 10 Deadwood

SCIENCE FICTION
24 Tales From the Crypt vs 9 Battlestar Galactica (new)
21 Stargate SG1 vs 12 Quantum Leap -tough call here
20 Earth: Final Conflict vs 13 Battlestar Galactica (old)
22 Enterprise vs 11 Star Trek
19 Dark Shadows vs 14 Dr Who
23 Star Trek Voyager vs 10 The Twilight Zone
15 The Outer Limits vs 18 Dead Like Me

COMEDY
17 Family Ties vs 16 Barney Miller
24 Strangers With Candy vs 9 I Love Lucy
21 Night Court vs 12 The Mary Tyler Moore show
20 The Andy Griffith Show vs 13 Married With Children
22 Newsradio vs 11 Frasier
19 Get Smart vs 14 Taxi
23 Golden Girls vs 10 Friends
18 Sex in the City vs 15 The Honeymooners

OTHER
17 Coupling vs 16 Futurama
24 Bonanza vs 9 South Park
21 The Ed Sullivan Show vs 12 Black Adder
20 The Tonight Show vs 13 Moonlighting --> Pre-Leno
19 MacGyver vs 14 Monty Python
23 Gunsmoke vs 10 The Prisoner
18 Family Guy vs 15 The Amazing Race
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Yes, I know the "Other" category is a little scattered. Animation, britcoms, variety shows, etc. It just sort of became the catch-all for shows that didn't fit into the other brackets as well as the ones that did make it. Don't read too much into it. I could just as easily scattered the shows amongst 4 brackets with no organization. Just thought it would be a little bit more interesting to see, for instance, Buffy vs Angel rather than Buffy vs Cosby.

And as for Gilmore Girls, you know, I like the show, and yes, it has some funny lines, but it's not a comedy. Perhaps it was better in the dramedy ranks with Other, but what the hell.

Twin Peaks? Like X-Files, it's more just "weird shit" than true SF, but it's close enough.

Again, folks, don't take the brackets too seriously.


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