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mikehunt
08-19-05, 08:03 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/19/AR2005081901311.html
Former Mass. Gov. Weld to battle for top NY job
By Ellen Wulfhorst
Reuters
Friday, August 19, 2005; 5:28 PM

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Former Gov. William Weld of Massachusetts is eyeing the governor's job in neighboring New York, where experts say he faces a longshot battle against heavily favored Attorney General Eliot Spitzer.

Weld, a Republican and native New Yorker who moved back in 2000 to work as an investment advisor, said in a New York Times interview published on Friday he wants to return to public service, saying, "My juices are really flowing for this race."


Weld, who left office in Massachusetts in 1997, is considered moderate, likable and adept at fund-raising, all assets he would need to face Spitzer in a state where Democrats heavily outnumber Republicans.

Spitzer has made a national name for himself busting white-collar crime on Wall Street. He is considered the strong front-runner to succeed Republican Gov. George Pataki, who recently said he would not seek a fourth term as he eyes a possible White House run.

"Weld's problem really is that Eliot Spitzer is such a substantial figure in job performance, favorable rating, name recognition, and he's raised so much money," said political strategist Joseph Mercurio.

"He has to raise a lot more money than Spitzer because Spitzer goes in with so much more going for him," Mercurio said. "Weld is a pretty good pick, but it's hard to visualize anybody going against Spitzer at this point."

A poll taken in May by the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute showed Spitzer bashing Weld 60 to 16 percent in a hypothetical matchup for next year's gubernatorial race if both won their respective party's nomination.

Weld built a reputation as a social moderate but fiscally conservative politician in Massachusetts, where he also entertained voters with playful antics like quoting Grateful Dead lyrics and jumping fully clothed into the Charles River.

He served seven years in the state's top job, leaving in 1997 when President Bill Clinton chose him as ambassador to Mexico -- a nomination that failed, largely due to opposition from Sen. Jesse Helms that he was too liberal.

"A Weld candidacy would be good for the Republican Party and good for the voters of the state of New York," said Douglas Muzzio, a professor of public affairs at the City University of New York. "Bill Weld is a substantial public figure. He's got an offbeat enough personality. He is a serious contender."

He's also got serious problems, added Democratic political strategist Hank Sheinkopf.

"Republicans are in deep trouble, so much so they had to reach to find somebody to run against potentially Spitzer with the sole ability to raise money and be a good debater, which he can do," said Sheinkopf. "They have no home-grown candidates. It's going to cost them tens of millions to begin to create a persona for Weld, and the only way to do that is television."

Besides, Sheinkopf added, it may boil down to one key facet of life in America -- baseball.

"Are New Yorkers who have a traditional rivalry with Boston and Massachusetts, because of the Red Sox vs. the Yankees, going to accept a guy from a state they don't particularly like?" he asked. "They have an extraordinary amount of work to do in what will be a very expensive race if they have any hope at all of being successful."

Granted the mayor of New York City is a Massachusetts native and a Republican but, pundits note, Michael Bloomberg's personal fortune and ability to spend $74 million of his own money on his first campaign may have tipped the scales in his favor.

"Weld has the ingredients of what the Republicans need to do to win statewide, but that doesn't mean he can pull it off," said political pollster Lee Miringoff.

Nazgul
08-19-05, 11:19 PM
Pardon me for not knowing this, but does NYC usually outvote upstate?

Bandoman
08-19-05, 11:33 PM
Well, his juices are flowing. That ought to count for something.

Tracer Bullet
08-19-05, 11:48 PM
Pardon me for not knowing this, but does NYC usually outvote upstate?

2004 Election:

New York State: 7,791,036
NYC: 2,437,344

New York State, excluding NYC: 5,353,692

I don't really have any inclination to compile those figures for other elections, but I can't imagine they shift that much.

Bandoman
08-19-05, 11:51 PM
I love how people from NYC say they're from "the City", no matter where they are when they say it. I remember being in Boston meeting someone, and when I asked where he was from he said "the City." I asked "Boston?" and he acted insulted. "No, New York City." Like there aren't any other cities in the world? Like you're so full of yourself that everywhere else is second rate?


Anyway, I thought I'd share that.

Tracer Bullet
08-20-05, 12:01 AM
I love how people from NYC say they're from "the City", no matter where they are when they say it. I remember being in Boston meeting someone, and when I asked where he was from he said "the City." I asked "Boston?" and he acted insulted. "No, New York City." Like there aren't any other cities in the world? Like you're so full of yourself that everywhere else is second rate?


Anyway, I thought I'd share that.

Fun fact: New York is not "the city". Manhattan is. Unless you're out of the city. Then it is acceptable to say you're from "the city" even if you don't live in Manhattan.

Those New Yorkers that answer "where are you from?" with "the city"? We don't like them either. They usually live on the Upper West Side and have nannies. The wife will normally spend her days shopping and going to charity events.

If the question is asked within a 50-mile radius of NYC, it's okay.

Bandoman
08-20-05, 12:11 AM
Okay. Good to know. :up:

chowderhead
08-20-05, 12:24 AM
Giuliani is about the only candidate that can beat Spitzer at this point.
Spitzer topping former Massachusetts Gov. William Weld 60 - 16 percent (http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x11373.xml?ReleaseID=823)

Can we get Ambassador Alan Keyes to jump into the race please!
:)

It may be closer but I don't think Weld will have much of a chance unless Spitzer falls apart.

mikehunt
08-20-05, 01:02 AM
Pardon me for not knowing this, but does NYC usually outvote upstate?

the bigger cities in the upstate usually go liberal too, but the rural and small town areas of upstate normally go conservative, and aer outnumbered by the combo of NYC and the liberal cities like buffalo in the upstate

although this source isn't official, I've seen these same stats on an official site, I just can't remember the phrase to put into google
http://mwhodges.home.att.net/election2000.htm
NEW YORK BY COUNTY -

An additional correlation to the 80-20% county vote nation-wide and in Florida occurred in New York,

According to data from the N.Y. Board of Elections for the 2000 New York senatorial race-

the loser, Rick Lazio, won 47 (76%) of the 62 counties in the state, whereas the winner,

Hillary Clinton, won just 15 (24%) of the 62 counties, but she won the big city population areas, giving her the state-wide popular vote and the election.

This near 80-20% by-county result in New York was similar to the above nation-wide by-county data ratio, as well as the Florida by-county ratio.
http://mwhodges.home.att.net/ny-map.gif

chowderhead
08-20-05, 01:22 AM
the bigger cities in the upstate usually go liberal too, but the rural and small town areas of upstate normally go conservative, and aer outnumbered by the combo of NYC and the liberal cities like buffalo in the upstate

although this source isn't official, I've seen these same stats on an official site, I just can't remember the phrase to put into google
http://mwhodges.home.att.net/election2000.htm

http://mwhodges.home.att.net/ny-map.gif
thanks for the info, but land do not vote. People vote and Clinton won more votes than Lazio. The red/blue thing is also misleading because the spread could be 1000 vs. 999 or 1000 vs. 10 and it would still be red.

mikehunt
08-20-05, 06:27 PM
but the map does show my point that it is NYC and a few other liberal cities that determine the state wide elections

Tracer Bullet
08-20-05, 06:31 PM
but the map does show my point that it is NYC and a few other liberal cities that determine the state wide elections

Yeah, and...?

More people live there. As chowderhead said, land doesn't vote.

mikehunt
08-20-05, 08:07 PM
no shit. where the fuck did I say it did
but the red area isn't exactly devoid of people either

Tracer Bullet
08-20-05, 08:24 PM
no shit. where the fuck did I say it did
but the red area isn't exactly devoid of people either

Yeah, but what aren't you getting?

The candidate that gets the most votes wins, no matter where those votes come from.

You could argue that NYC and other liberal strongholds hold a disproportionate amount of political sway in the state. You might even be right. But those people are still citizens of the state.

It's not like there were no Democratic votes in the red areas, or Republican votes in the blue ones, either.

Rockmjd23
08-20-05, 09:14 PM
but the map does show my point that it is NYC and a few other liberal cities that determine the state wide elections
I think that's the case in many blue states. Here in MA, a similar map could be made of the last gubernatorial election, thought the republican won anyway.

chrisih8u
10-01-05, 02:13 AM
Another one bites the dust.

After years of rooting for the Red Sox, former Bay State Gov. William Weld, who's planning to run for New York governor, has abandoned the hometown team and switched to the Dark Side.

``With the Red Sox having won last year, I don't have to root for them any more,'' Weld told The New York Post. He said he'll be backing the Yankees this weekend and that the loyalty shift came ``a couple of days ago.''

Weld grew up on Long Island, N.Y., rooting for the Brooklyn Dodgers, who are now the Los Angeles Dodgers. After serving as Massachusetts governor from 1990-1997, he moved back to New York in 2000. He's now a partner in a Manhattan investment firm.

Weld spokesman Rob Gray downplayed the switch, saying, ``The truth is, Bill bleeds Dodger blue and always has.''

Weld is the latest politician with Boston roots to throw the home team under the bus. New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg grew up in Medford as a Sox fan but pledged his allegiance to the Bronx Bombers during last year's playoffs.

Of Weld's shift, Yankees spokesman Rick Cerone said: ``Our mayor was also a former Sox fan. We're always happy to welcome people into the fold.''

Sox officials declined comment.

-ohbfrank-

Rockmjd23
10-01-05, 02:56 AM
Meh, he wasn't a real sox fan anyway.

Brain Stew
10-01-05, 08:31 PM
but the map does show my point that it is NYC and a few other liberal cities that determine the state wide elections
If you are that upset about it, go to Albany and try to get an electoral college system setup. Otherwise, there's nothing you can do about it.

NCMojo
10-01-05, 08:45 PM
but the map does show my point that it is NYC and a few other liberal cities that determine the state wide elections
So why did New York State elect Republican George Pataki governor?

Red Dog
10-01-05, 10:45 PM
but the map does show my point that it is NYC and a few other liberal cities that determine the state wide elections


Is there a state where this doesn't apply - where the D vote is concentrated in high population densities?