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dick_grayson
08-15-05, 10:01 AM
With the public distracted, George W. Bush is building a big government -- of the right

BY ALLAN LICHTMAN
Allan Lichtman is a professor of history at American University and author of "The Keys to the White House."

August 7, 2005

Like a master pickpocket, George W. Bush distracts the American people with one hand while reaching into their pockets with the other. The distraction comes through the flash and bombast of explosive social issues like abortion, gay rights, public displays of religion, end-of-life decisions and creationism, on which Bush has delivered little beyond rhetoric. The pilfering comes through initiatives that take from working- and middle-class Americans and give to Bush's corporate backers, to whom he has delivered the goods big time.

This summer, with the public preoccupied over whether Bush's nominee to the Supreme Court would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade, Congress passed an energy bill with $14.5 billion in tax breaks, most of which will flow to companies like Exxon, which last year made about $25 billion in after-tax profits, enough to float a small country.

Just before Congress broke for its summer recess, the administration also won ratification of a free-trade agreement with Central American nations that made it easier for companies to outsource jobs and investments, and that bypasses protections for workers and the environment. And it steered through Congress, even after negotiating down the final cost, the most expensive transportation bill in American history, laden with pork-barrel benefits for nearly every member's state or district.

Last spring, with Americans riveted on the drama of the Terri Schiavo case, the Republican leadership steered through Congress a bankruptcy bill crafted by lobbyists for the credit card industry. According to authorities on the financial industry, credit companies stand to reap profits of several billion dollars from the law.

And let's not forget the prescription drug benefit for seniors of two years ago that failed to restrain prices, handing big drug companies $139 billion in windfall profits and leaving seniors to navigate a gallingly complex system with gaps in coverage.

The administration defends its corporate-friendly bills as nurturing a rapidly growing modern economy that has reduced unemployment to a historically low 5 percent. It claims to be assuring continuing energy supplies through a free-market approach to energy, opening foreign markets to American goods and services, reducing the costs of credit, promoting personal responsibility and helping seniors cope with rising prescription drug costs.

But what all of this really amounts to is a political revolution in the United States, creating a form of conservative big government that promotes not the general interests of ordinary Americans but the special interests of big corporations. This creates a sharply upward redistribution of wealth and power that threatens long-term prosperity. Job growth has been well below predictions during Bush's term, for instance, and many analysts predict hard times for the economy in years ahead.

This revolution also is making government costlier and less fair, stifling individual freedom and democratic decision-making, and opening fissures between the wealthy and other Americans.

Consider the energy bill. The president himself says it will have little impact on rising gas prices. Virtually all analysts agree that, aside from raising production levels of the fuel additive ethanol, it does little to reduce U.S. dependence on foreign oil.

The bankruptcy law will make it harder for many millions of Americas to cope with debts arising through no fault of their own - from illness, injury, divorce or unemployment - by forcing them into stringent repayment plans, usually reserved for deadbeats, which empower creditors to take their homes, cars and other assets.

Among the questionable projects being funded in the transportation bill is Sen. John McCain's favorite: $2.3 million for landscaping on the Ronald Reagan Freeway in California. "I wonder what Ronald Reagan would say," said McCain, who was one of only four senators to vote against the law.

Liberals traditionally use their version of big government to reform society from the bottom up, funding welfare benefits, regulating business, empowering labor and advancing opportunities for minorities. Today's conservatives begin from the top down, subsidizing business and expanding its global reach, shielding corporations while punishing individuals for bad behavior, enforcing moral codes, and backing powerful military and police forces.

For decades Republicans complained of Democrats who used the federal budget to create cadres of dependent voters: recipients of welfare and Social Security, members of federal employee unions and beneficiaries of affirmative action programs. Now under George W. Bush, the GOP has created a new form of the leviathan state with payouts to major corporate interests that bankroll the Republican Party.

Federal spending statistics show just how far conservative Republicans have strayed from their once touted ideal of frugal, limited government. During Bush's first four years, federal spending grew by about 16 percent in inflation-adjusted dollars, compared with about 10 percent during Bill Clinton's eight years in office. During Bush's first term, the share of our gross domestic product accounted for by the federal government rose from 18.4 percent to 19.8 percent, compared with a decline from 22.2 percent to 18.4 percent during Clinton's two terms.

Beyond the way the government redistributes wealth, Republican big government also has a social agenda that has vastly expanded the federal government's authority to intrude into our private lives. The recently renewed Patriot Act, for example, authorizes the feds to look over our shoulders when we browse libraries or surf the Internet. And it gives law enforcement officials broad authority to secretly search our property or bug our private conversations.

Although justified by the need to fight terrorism, these restrictions are part of a value system that aggressively pursues policies against the empowerment of individuals. The president and his allies have enacted legislation that makes it more difficult for individuals to band together in class actions that challenge wrongdoing by corporations. They are on the verge of passing a bill that shields even negligent gun makers from lawsuits. And they are pursuing sharp limitations on jury awards in tort cases, even though data gathered by such authorities as the National Center for States Courts, the U.S. Department of Justice and the Congressional Budget Office deflate the myth of an economically wasteful "litigation explosion."

It is important that Americans arrive at a consensus that protects a woman's right to safe and legal abortions or the rights of gays and lesbians to live free of invidious discrimination. But at a time when Democrats often feed at the same corporate trough as Republicans and don't seem to have compelling alternatives, it is increasingly urgent that the public focus on what the broader agenda of big government conservatism is doing to their lives.

The confirmation hearings on the new Supreme Court nominee, John G. Roberts, might be a good place to begin this process. Senators should carefully probe his views on the purposes, powers and limits of government, including privacy rights, police powers, corporate autonomy, individual access to the courts, civil rights and liberties, and the government's capacity to protect our environment, health and safety. We sorely need a serious national conversation on all of these questions.

Copyright (c) 2005, Newsday, Inc.

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This article originally appeared at:
http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-oplic074373670aug07,0,2606425.story?coll=ny-viewpoints-headlines

Visit Newsday online at http://www.newsday.com

Duran
08-15-05, 10:15 AM
The bankruptcy law will make it harder for many millions of Americas to cope with debts arising through no fault of their own - from illness, injury, divorce or unemployment - by forcing them into stringent repayment plans, usually reserved for deadbeats, which empower creditors to take their homes, cars and other assets.


And this, in a nutshell is what is wrong with many liberal viewpoints. No one is capable of taking responsibility for their own actions. All of those events listed should be planned for. Just because you failed to save enough to compensate for unemployment, everyone you (voluntarily) borrowed money from should be completely SOL? Ridiculous.

While I have many, many issues with Bush's initiatives, spending, etc., this article is so transparent I feel forced to ignore it, even if there are good points in there.

CRM114
08-15-05, 10:21 AM
And this, in a nutshell is what is wrong with many liberal viewpoints. No one is capable of taking responsibility for their own actions. All of those events listed should be planned for. Just because you failed to save enough to compensate for unemployment, everyone you (voluntarily) borrowed money from should be completely SOL? Ridiculous.

While I have many, many issues with Bush's initiatives, spending, etc., this article is so transparent I feel forced to ignore it, even if there are good points in there.

So we should make sure MBNA gets theirs, right? As long as we take care of corporate America, everything will be better... I'm sure if MBNA went bankrupt (which it won't because of corporate welfare), they'd get out of paying their creditors.

Duran
08-15-05, 10:26 AM
So we should make sure MBNA gets theirs, right? As long as we take care of corporate America, everything will be better... I'm sure if MBNA went bankrupt (which it won't because of corporate welfare), they'd get out of paying their creditors.

No one forced that person to borrow money from MBNA. The money was used for something that (presumably) benefitted the person borrowing it. Pay it back.

Makes no difference if the creditor is a bank, a huge credit card company, your friend, or the guy behind you in line at the fast food joint. If you borrow money, pay it back. That's not corporate welfare - that's personal responsiblity.

CRM114
08-15-05, 10:33 AM
No one forced that person to borrow money from MBNA. The money was used for something that (presumably) benefitted the person borrowing it. Pay it back.

Makes no difference if the creditor is a bank, a huge credit card company, your friend, or the guy behind you in line at the fast food joint. If you borrow money, pay it back. That's not corporate welfare - that's personal responsiblity.

So are you telling me that corporations have the same rules? Did all of Enron's creditors get their money back?

I agree with you at some level about personal responsibility. I just have no sympathy for giant conglomerates with record profits getting assistance from the government.

grundle
08-15-05, 10:34 AM
Oh good! A Republican bashing thread! Just what I was wishing for!

Republicans love big government.

Republicans are liars. Their "Contract With America" was a fraud. It was just an election campaign ploy:


http://www.cato.org/dailys/10-31-00.html

October 31, 2000

The combined budgets of the 95 major programs that the Contract with America promised to eliminate have increased by 13%.

nemein
08-15-05, 10:41 AM
From that CATO article
At some point Republicans are going to have to find some leadership in the mold of Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater or risk becoming irrelevant.

:lol: it's amusing how times change, before the 00 election Reps were going to become irrelevant, recently people have been talking about Dems are becoming irrelevant. Unfortunately it seems the only thing that is really becoming irrelevant is sanity and civility :(

I agree Bush/Reps have done some things to the Gov't, regarding it's overall size and relationship to citizens, I disagree w/. However overall the article seems to be slanted more towards stiring people up about Roberts than anything else.

Duran
08-15-05, 10:55 AM
So are you telling me that corporations have the same rules? Did all of Enron's creditors get their money back?

I agree with you at some level about personal responsibility. I just have no sympathy for giant conglomerates with record profits getting assistance from the government.

I share your lack of sympathy for gian conglomerates. Making it more difficult for people to avoid paying debts is not necessarily "getting assistance", however.

Enron's creditors did not get all of their money back. But the corporation has been effectively dissolved. All of its assets are being sold to creditors. It's officers are going to prison. How is that a sweeter deal than personal bankruptcy?

CRM114
08-15-05, 11:04 AM
I share your lack of sympathy for gian conglomerates. Making it more difficult for people to avoid paying debts is not necessarily "getting assistance", however.

Enron's creditors did not get all of their money back. But the corporation has been effectively dissolved. All of its assets are being sold to creditors. It's officers are going to prison. How is that a sweeter deal than personal bankruptcy?

And thats the way it should be. The majority of personal bankruptcies are not scams or deadbeats - they are people that fall on tough times. The government favors big business over some shmo that lost his job or is wallowing in health care expenses. Its a bad law.

kvrdave
08-15-05, 11:14 AM
I came, I read, I posted.

:)

al_bundy
08-15-05, 11:16 AM
With the public distracted, George W. Bush is building a big government -- of the right



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This article originally appeared at:
http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-oplic074373670aug07,0,2606425.story?coll=ny-viewpoints-headlines

Visit Newsday online at http://www.newsday.com

when has the NY Newsday written anything good about republicans? If this was the NY Post than maybe it would have been worth something.

Duran
08-15-05, 11:53 AM
And thats the way it should be. The majority of personal bankruptcies are not scams or deadbeats - they are people that fall on tough times. The government favors big business over some shmo that lost his job or is wallowing in health care expenses. Its a bad law.

Because said schmo should have planned for the possibility of losing his job or having a serious health problem. Neither are freak occurances.

weargle
08-15-05, 12:22 PM
Dick posts a thread about big government. I guess that I don't even have to read it, I already knew what it said before I clicked the link.

dick_grayson
08-15-05, 12:29 PM
Dick posts a thread about big government. I guess that I don't even have to read it, I already knew what it said before I clicked the link.

if you don't like it, don't read it. but you don't have to threadcrap. It's just a fucking article to read or ignore. I could give a shit what your opinions are anway.

nemein
08-15-05, 12:33 PM
<i>Mod note: <b>weargle</b> you've been here long enough to know this type of response is not looked highly upon. If you don't have anything applicable to say about the article or subject itself, JUST DON'T POST.

Likewise <b>dick_grayson</b> you've been here long enough to know responding "in kind" isn't looked highly upon either. The post was reported, the additional commentary was unneccessary.</i>

bhk
08-15-05, 12:36 PM
Every pol from now on is going to do this because as Americans, we've gotten to be the "gimmie, gimmie, gimmie..." country.

dick_grayson
08-15-05, 12:44 PM
Likewise <b>dick_grayson</b> you've been here long enough to know responding "in kind" isn't looked highly upon either. The post was reported, the additional commentary was unneccessary.</i>

you're right. my bad.

Binger
08-15-05, 12:44 PM
if you don't like it, don't read it. but you don't have to threadcrap. It's just a fucking article to read or ignore. I could give a shit what your opinions are anway.

Well this is a discussion forum and everything posted here is opinions. If you don't like people commenting on your article or your views then don't post in the first place.

dick_grayson
08-15-05, 12:47 PM
Well this is a discussion forum and everything posted here is opinions. If you don't like people commenting on your article or your views then don't post in the first place.


there was no comment on the article. it was a comment on me, the poster.

nemein
08-15-05, 12:57 PM
Well this is a discussion forum and everything posted here is opinions. If you don't like people commenting on your article or your views then don't post in the first place.

<i>Mod note: But it's not a "free for all" forum, if you want that sort of thing go to Yahoo ;) There are certain rules of behavior that are expected of the posters here and the first one is "attacks" on the poster are not acceptible. weargle's comment was not about the substance of the article but his assumption of what it said based on the OP. That sort of response doesn't add anything to the overall discussion.</i>

Binger
08-15-05, 01:03 PM
there was no comment on the article. it was a comment on me, the poster.

You're right he did. I guess I didn't see the post as being rude. Most people on this forum have strong opinions, left or right, and most here know where the other stands. I just didn't think that pointing out someone's slant was being rude, as a matter of fact I think that discussing one's views and biases is probably a healthy thing, but that's just my two cents. I didn't mean to call you out or anything in my previous post so if I was rude I appologize.

Binger
08-15-05, 01:09 PM
<i>Mod note: But it's not a "free for all" forum, if you want that sort of thing go to Yahoo ;) There are certain rules of behavior that are expected of the posters here and the first one is "attacks" on the poster are not acceptible. weargle's comment was not about the substance of the article but his assumption of what it said based on the OP. That sort of response doesn't add anything to the overall discussion.</i>

I agree with you on the subject of attacks, but I just didn't see it as an attack. Don't get me wrong here, I'm not advocating personal attacks, I just saw this differently.

Myster X
08-15-05, 02:07 PM
http://www.trimpe.org/jr/pictures/grain-of-salt.jpg

mikehunt
08-15-05, 05:57 PM
the repubs claim to be for small gov't, yet they do nothing to get one. That was one of the complaints I put on the "we want money" letter they sent me that I sent back with no money

island007
08-15-05, 06:15 PM
I'm confused about this article.

Allan Lichtman starts off with how George Bush is using distraction like "flash and bombast of explosive social issues like abortion, gay rights, public displays of religion, end-of-life decisions and creationism" to the delivery money to his corporate backers.

He then enumerates good examples for his claims.

However, he close with

"It is important that Americans arrive at a consensus that protects a woman's right to safe and legal abortions or the rights of gays and lesbians to live free of invidious discrimination. But at a time when Democrats often feed at the same corporate trough as Republicans and don't seem to have compelling alternatives, it is increasingly urgent that the public focus on what the broader agenda of big government conservatism is doing to their lives.

The confirmation hearings on the new Supreme Court nominee, John G. Roberts, might be a good place to begin this process. Senators should carefully probe his views on the purposes, powers and limits of government, including privacy rights, police powers, corporate autonomy, individual access to the courts, civil rights and liberties, and the government's capacity to protect our environment, health and safety. We sorely need a serious national conversation on all of these questions. "

These appear to be the same social issues that he initially is taken aback by for distracting America.

Jason
08-15-05, 06:33 PM
And this, in a nutshell is what is wrong with many liberal viewpoints. No one is capable of taking responsibility for their own actions. All of those events listed should be planned for. Just because you failed to save enough to compensate for unemployment, everyone you (voluntarily) borrowed money from should be completely SOL? Ridiculous.

So credit card companies apparantly should have no responsibility for anything, right? They give people tens of thousands of dollars of credit at the drop of a hat, issue credit cards to dogs, dead people, etc. Want a plasma TV? 30 second approval. 12 months same as cash. If they're so fast and loose with handing out the money, shouldn't it be their problem too when it blows up in their faces? If they didn't give credit so irresponsibly, the rampant fraud and bankruptcy would go away.

WCChiCubsFan
08-15-05, 06:57 PM
So credit card companies apparantly should have no responsibility for anything, right? They give people tens of thousands of dollars of credit at the drop of a hat, issue credit cards to dogs, dead people, etc. Want a plasma TV? 30 second approval. 12 months same as cash. If they're so fast and loose with handing out the money, shouldn't it be their problem too when it blows up in their faces? If they didn't give credit so irresponsibly, the rampant fraud and bankruptcy would go away.I'm glad you brought this up. In the thread that dealt with the new bankruptcy laws I discussed the same concept.

I find it strange that those who preach about personal responsibility don't seem too able to grasp the notion that the credit card companies should also be responsible. If they make bad business decisions they should have to live with the results of their decisions.

Duran
08-15-05, 07:27 PM
It's not a question of punishing bad decisions. The credit card company lent Joe Schmo money. Presumably, Joe Schmo used that money to his benefit. The credit card company deserves a benefit in return (principal + interest). No one forced either party into the transaction.

nemein
08-16-05, 11:11 AM
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0816/p01s04-uspo.html?s=hns

Bush makes history - a five-year streak without saying 'no'
By Josh Burek | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
WASHINGTON – Like pardons and executive orders, vetoes are among the cherished privileges of the Oval Office. Ike liked them. So did presidents Truman and Cleveland - and both Roosevelts.

But apparently not George W. Bush. In fact, well into the fifth year of his presidency, he has yet to issue a single veto.

POLES APART: Franklin D. Roosevelt issued 600-plus vetoes; Mr. Bush, not one.
AP/FILE, JASON REED/REUTERS

It's a streak unmatched in modern American history, one that throws into question traditional notions of checks and balances.

Although the streak could end next month - Mr. Bush is threatening a veto if Congress eases his restrictions on federal funding for stem-cell research - the Bush era thus far underscores a historically high-water mark of collegial cooperation between Congress and the White House, experts say.

"We're pretty close to a parliamentary government," says G. Calvin Mackenzie, professor of government at Colby College in Watervillle, Maine, referring to Congress's close alignment with the executive branch. "We don't have much recent history with that."

Other presidents have enjoyed majority support in Congress. But few, if any, have gotten the level of disciplined backing that Mr. Bush gets from House and Senate Republicans.

"There is unusual coherence between Republicans in Congress and the president," Professor Mackenzie adds. "So there's very little getting to his desk that hasn't been pre-approved by the Republican leadership."

On many major bills that Bush has signed - No Child Left Behind and tax relief, for example - the veto was never a consideration because the White House itself had proposed the legislation. Yet on dozens of other bills, the president has become a rubber stamp for a spendthrift Congress, betraying his campaign image as a fiscal conservative, critics say.

"The notion of limited government and frugal government has been shattered by this administration, which cares far less about limited government than it does in building conservative government - a government with huge payoffs to corporate America," says Allan Lichtman, a presidential historian at American University in Washington.

The last time a president's party dominated Capitol Hill was in 1993 and 1994, the first two years of President Clinton's term. That period was also marked by zero vetoes, but for a very different reason. Unruly House and Senate Democrats failed to toe the line on Clinton's big-ticket proposals, such as nationalized healthcare, leaving him with few major bills to sign. Lack of party discipline nearly scuttled the North American Free Trade Agreement and his budget. By the end of his second term, Mr. Clinton had issued 37 vetoes.

By contrast, when passage of the Central American Free Trade Agreement was in doubt last week, Bush personally made the trip up Pennsylvania Avenue to help bring reluctant Republicans into line. CAFTA's passage, however, was a result due as much to increased party polarization as Bush's arm-twisting, experts say.

The veto, of course, is far better at stopping legislation than at advancing it. But the threat of a veto can steer a bill closer to a president's goals. The transportation bill Bush signed last Wednesday is a case in point.

In 2004, he threatened to veto any highway bill that exceeded $256 billion. This year, he redrew the line at $284 billion. The version originally proposed in the House was well over $350 billion. But the continuing threat of veto eventually brought the final price tag to $286.5 billion, a figure Bush could tolerate.

"For fiscal conservatives, it's frustrating to watch," says David Keating, executive director at the Club for Growth, a Washington group that advocates fiscal responsibility and lower taxes. "He's beginning to lose all credibility with these veto threats."

The word "veto" does not actually appear in the text of the Constitution, but its function is implied in Article I. Significantly, the first presidents used the veto sparingly, reserving its use for legislation they deemed unconstitutional.

By the 20th century, vetoes were being issued more frequently, and being used more often as a political tactic than as a constitutional filter. President Franklin Roosevelt issued more than 600 vetoes - and that occurred even with huge Demo-cratic majorities.

Bush, however, hasn't even used the veto on legislation he deemed unconstitutional, such as the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform he signed in 2002. That can be read as a sign of weakness, says Matthew Spalding, an expert on American political history at The Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank in Washington. "Veto power has withered away from disuse."

Others take the opposite view. "Presidents who use the veto a lot are weak," says Bruce Altschuler, a professor of political science at Oswego State University of New York, noting Gerald Ford's time in office.

"More-successful presidents use it as a negotiation tool. When Bush has gone to Congress with [veto] threats, he has been effective," he notes.

Still, Bush may have to rely on the veto in years ahead because presidential power typically wanes in a second term. "A president's second term is like an hour glass with the sand running out," says Stephen Hess, professor of media and public affairs at George Washington University in Washington.

Already, Bush has struggled to marshal his party troops behind plans to partially privatize Social Security.

A test of GOP unity could come next month, when Congress will consider a move to relax Bush's limits on federal funding for stem-cell research. Senate majority leader Bill Frist - who is believed to be eyeing a presidential run in 2008 - announced a break with the president just before the August recess last week, a sign that fissures in the Republican bedrock are already appearing.

"The veto is always there; it's the paddle on the wall," says Jack Pitney, a professor of government at Claremont McKenna College in Claremont, Calif. "Everybody knows it's there. That gives the president a lot of power, no matter the alignment."

<img src="http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0816/csmimg/p4a.gif">

VinVega
08-16-05, 11:21 AM
And this, in a nutshell is what is wrong with many liberal viewpoints. No one is capable of taking responsibility for their own actions. All of those events listed should be planned for. Just because you failed to save enough to compensate for unemployment, everyone you (voluntarily) borrowed money from should be completely SOL? Ridiculous.
How does someone living paycheck to paycheck on minimum wage save for a rainy day?

Granted, people abuse the credit card system, but the corporate giveaway to the credit card companies was a huge win for the big guy over the little guy. The Big Rich Corporation has rich and powerful tools at his disposal, the little guy doesn't have much at his disposal.

WCChiCubsFan
08-16-05, 11:22 AM
It's not a question of punishing bad decisions.
It's all about punishing bad decisions.

The credit card companies with the blessing and help of the federal government don't want to take punishment (or responsibility) for theirs, yet the government and the credit card companies want you to take punishment for yours no matter what.

The fact that this is the case in this scenario doesn't really seem that hard to see but I guess it is for some people.

Duran
08-16-05, 12:05 PM
It's all about punishing bad decisions.

The credit card companies with the blessing and help of the federal government don't want to take punishment (or responsibility) for theirs, yet the government and the credit card companies want you to take punishment for yours no matter what.

The fact that this is the case in this scenario doesn't really seem that hard to see but I guess it is for some people.

According to you. Some of us see it as a contract that should be enforced.

Bandoman
08-16-05, 12:12 PM
It's not a question of punishing bad decisions. The credit card company lent Joe Schmo money. Presumably, Joe Schmo used that money to his benefit. The credit card company deserves a benefit in return (principal + interest). No one forced either party into the transaction.

True, but what people are forgetting here is that credit card companies have for years been exempt/protected from usury laws and allowed to charge outrageous interest rates. The reason for this: the fact that they have to write off bad debts discharged in bankruptcy. Now that the credit card companies have substantial protection against bankruptcies, what is Congress going to do about the interest rates? Nothing, I bet.

Duran
08-16-05, 01:10 PM
True, but what people are forgetting here is that credit card companies have for years been exempt/protected from usury laws and allowed to charge outrageous interest rates. The reason for this: the fact that they have to write off bad debts discharged in bankruptcy. Now that the credit card companies have substantial protection against bankruptcies, what is Congress going to do about the interest rates? Nothing, I bet.

I don't care for usury laws either, so I have no problem with that. :)

chowderhead
08-16-05, 02:05 PM
the repubs claim to be for small gov't, yet they do nothing to get one. That was one of the complaints I put on the "we want money" letter they sent me that I sent back with no money

exactly, both Republicans and Democrats want to spend YOUR money. They are just arguing over how to do it.
Democrats seem to want to tax and spend.
Republicans seem to want to BORROW and spend.

Someone pointed out that GWB has left NO spending bill unsigned and has yet to veto anything that has come down the pork-barrel trough. In fact, GWB has expanded the size and breadth of the federal government to the largest in the history of the world!
Small-government conservatives must be crapping in their pants at GWB's drunken sailor spending ways. Yet, this man has 90% approval from Republicans. Sounds like hypocrits to me.