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grundle
08-14-05, 06:38 AM
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110007105

Oregon's Wrong Prescription

The war on drugs shouldn't turn into a war on cold medicine.

Sunday, August 14, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT

With Oregon Governor Ted Kulongoski poised to sign into law a bill that will require prescriptions for many common cold and allergy medicines, it's a good time to take measure of the nationwide battle against methamphetamine abuse.

The Oregon legislation is aimed at limiting access to pseudoephedrine, a decongestant found in many over-the-counter cold and allergy treatments that's also the key ingredient in the illegal manufacture of methamphetamines, or "meth." Fed up with addicts and dealers buying or stealing products like Sudafed and Theraflu to extract the chemical, the state legislature decided to put its foot down.

Oregon's exasperation is understandable. It's hard to pick up a local paper these days without reading about meth-related homicides, burglaries, assaults and other crimes. A stronger and cheaper stimulant than cocaine, meth is also fueling a social services crisis, as strung out parents neglect or abandon their children. The number of foster children in Oregon rose 11.5% between 2003 and 2004, and officials say half of their caseload is linked to the meth problem.

Oregon is far from the only state hit hard by what historically has been a rural and West Coast phenomenon. According to government data, more than 12 million Americans have tried meth, and 1.5 million are regular users. Newsweek reports in a recent cover story that "cops nationwide rank methamphetamine the No. 1 drug they battle today."

Governor Kulongoski, a Democrat, is expected to sign the measure, which would give Oregon by far the strictest law in the country aimed at curbing meth use. At the same time, however, requiring a doctor's prescription for popular decongestants will be a significant inconvenience--and expense--for law-abiding Oregonians. The key question: Is it worth it?

The Oregon measure, says Steve Pasierb of Partnership for a Drug-Free America, "is getting into the area of how much of a return do you get, and what are you doing to the public. You're taking a mom with a sick kid at home and you're forcing her to go to the doctor--spend money to go to the doctor with her copay."

Moreover, it's not clear that less onerous approaches aren't just as effective. In April of last year, Oklahoma became the first of more than a dozen states to require that medicines containing pseudoephedrine be kept behind pharmacy counters. The result has been a 90% drop in seizures of meth-production labs. Congress is considering legislation that would apply the Oklahoma law nationwide. State narcotics officials report similar results in Iowa, which earlier this year passed a law that allows only licensed pharmacists to sell pseudoephedrine products and limits customers to one package per day.

Oregon relocated its cold medicines behind the counter last October, and Governor Kulongoski credits the move with drastically reducing the number of meth labs in the state. Ten months later, he's ready to further burden Oregonians without any evidence that prescription requirements will help close more meth labs.

In any case, the focus on lab seizures may have gone about as far as it can go. Local labs are disappearing but usage isn't. That's because more than half of all meth used in the U.S. is produced in Mexico and smuggled across the border. One advantage of shutting down small neighborhood operations is that it frees up law enforcement resources to pursue the gangs and mobsters responsible for most of the trafficking.

We don't deny that Oregon's prescription approach to the supply problem could have some short-term benefit. But it will also exacerbate the drug problems of neighboring Washington State and California, not to mention open the U.S. market to more imported meth. Oregon might also find itself butting heads with the federal Food and Drug Administration, which regulates over-the-counter drugs. Before he signs this bill, Governor Kulongoski might want to weigh the cost and inconvenience to Oregonians against the slim chance that it will fix the state's meth problem.

DVD Polizei
08-14-05, 10:33 AM
Ted, like many Oregon politicians, is a complete dumbass.

Because you know, criminals always abide by the law, and would never, say, STEAL the medications, thereby BYPASSING any legislation.

Hell Ted, why don't you BAN GUNS from Oregonians too. Make this law a 2-fer!!! :up:

wildcatlh
08-14-05, 10:36 AM
I'm pretty sure we've had this thread before, sans the normal grundle-fied inflamatory topic naming.

DVD Polizei
08-14-05, 10:38 AM
Well, in this case, he's right. Ted is GOVERNOR of the state of Oregon, and many of those supporting this cousinfuck law, are Democrats.

cinten
08-14-05, 12:42 PM
Do you work for Fox news?

Groucho
08-14-05, 12:49 PM
I'm sure no Republicans voted for the bill.

This sounds like typical "feel good" legislation that'll have little affect on meth production.

cinten
08-14-05, 12:58 PM
ROFLMAO, I didn't even realize you cited a republican's editorial!

grundle
08-14-05, 01:24 PM
Well, in this case, he's right. Ted is GOVERNOR of the state of Oregon, and many of those supporting this cousinfuck law, are Democrats.
Thanks.

cinten
08-14-05, 01:30 PM
Well, in this case, he's right. Ted is GOVERNOR of the state of Oregon, and many of those supporting this cousinfuck law, are Democrats.


Many or every single pro vote?

So that must mean that not every single person who supports this law is a democrat. Happen to know what party the rest of the supporters are from

grundle
08-14-05, 02:36 PM
Do you work for Fox news?
No.

Thor Simpson
08-14-05, 03:10 PM
:mad:

This initiative is just as much for gay fathers with sick adopted children or stay-at-home soccer fathers with sick kids. "Mothers with sick children..." That's <i>soooo</i> 20th century. -rolleyes-

grundle
08-14-05, 04:56 PM
:mad:

This initiative is just as much for gay fathers with sick adopted children or stay-at-home soccer fathers with sick kids. "Mothers with sick children..." That's <i>soooo</i> 20th century. -rolleyes-
You're right.

I should have titled this thread, "Liberal Democrats wage war against gays who adopt children."

Thor Simpson
08-14-05, 05:52 PM
I should have titled this thread, "Liberal Democrats wage war against gays who adopt children."
:up::up:

:lol:

DVD Polizei
08-14-05, 06:00 PM
Well, the governor's office is going to get a phonecall from me tomorrow. Hopefully other Oregonians will do the same. And even if you're not from Oregon, call the fucker and tell him how retarded he is.

503.378.4582

Aldarion
08-14-05, 06:06 PM
From what I can tell, the House voted 55-4 in favor of the bill, and the Senate voted 26-4 in favour. The House is Republican controlled and the Senate is Democrat controlled. In any case, the initiative is quite bipartisan in nature.

Groucho
08-14-05, 06:19 PM
From what I can tell, the House voted 55-4 in favor of the bill, and the Senate voted 26-4 in favour. The House is Republican controlled and the Senate is Democrat controlled. In any case, the initiative is quite bipartisan in nature.Please, this thread is for bashing Democrats. As such, you please need to leave your so-called "logic" and "common sense" outside. Good day, sir!

DVD Polizei
08-14-05, 07:04 PM
:up:

I haven't had the chance to bash a Democrat in days. I feel much better.

mikehunt
08-14-05, 07:30 PM
so now, instead of taking 15 minutes to go the store, they have to spend on hour or more going to a doctor, then go to the store, and since they'll be prescription meds now the price will probably be higher

DVD Polizei
08-14-05, 07:34 PM
I'll just go across the river to Vancouver, Wash. if I need the stuff. :lol:

And this is where all the Meth Freaks will probably go too. rotfl

Christine Gregoire: Thanks Ted!

DVD Polizei
08-14-05, 07:40 PM
Come to think of it, I could make some $$$. Here's how. Buy your drugs in Washington, and then sell them at a higher price to methheads in Oregon who don't have the brains to travel across the river.

I think Ted just made me some quick money. :up:

Thor Simpson
08-14-05, 07:52 PM
I'll just go across the river to Vancouver, Wash. if I need the stuff. :lol:

And this is where all the Meth Freaks will probably go too. rotfl
Exactly. Time to set up a WA/ OR border patrol I guess. :(

Stop all those Vancouver hooligans from buying stuff sales-tax free too!