New Study Ranks America's Most Liberal and Conservative Cities

[X]

Overall, the SF Bay Area is #1. Big surprise.

NEW STUDY RANKS AMERICA’S MOST LIBERAL AND CONSERVATIVE CITIES

Detroit tops liberal list; Provo, UT most conservative

BERKELEY, CA – A new nationwide study released today by the nonpartisan Bay Area Center for Voting Research (BACVR) ranks the political leanings of every American city and finds that Detroit, Michigan is the most liberal and Provo, Utah the most conservative.

In all, the BACVR researchers examined voting patterns of 237 American cities with populations of over 100,000 and ranked them each on liberal and conservative scales.

The list of America’s most liberal cities is dominated by cities with large African American populations that are concentrated in the Northeast, Midwest and California. Conversely, the study found that the staunchest conservative cities are clustered in the South and interior West and have extremely low numbers of African American residents.

“Detroit and Provo epitomize America’s political, economic and racial polarization,” said Jason Alderman a BACVR director. “As the most conservative city in America, Provo is overwhelmingly white and solidly middle class. This is in stark contrast to Detroit, which is impoverished, black and the most liberal.”

Gary, Indiana, a rust belt former steel town, comes in as America’s second most liberal city, followed by Berkeley, California, which ranks third. Washington, D.C. comes in as the fourth most liberal and Oakland, California comes in fifth.

On the list of the nation’s most conservative cities, Texas cements its reputation as America’s most rock-ribbed state, having three cities in the top five. Lubbock and Abilene, Texas rank as the second and third most conservative cities, respectively, followed by Hialeah, Florida in fourth place and Plano, Texas in fifth.

BACVR researchers found a direct correlation between a city’s political ideology and its racial makeup. “The great political divide in America today is not red vs. blue, north vs. south, costal vs. interior or even rich vs. poor – it is now clearly black vs. white,” said Phil Reiff, a BACVR director.

“While there are a few liberal cities without large African American populations, these wind up being the exceptions. College towns like Berkeley and Cambridge have modest black populations but remain bastions of upper middle-class, white, intellectual liberalism. These liberal white communities, however, are more reminiscent of penguins clustering together around a shrinking iceberg than of a vibrant and growing political movement,” Reiff said.

The Bay Area Center for Voting Research is a nonpartisan think tank based in Berkeley, California. A full copy of the report and the complete list of rankings for all 237 cities are available at www.votingresearch.org.

America’s 25 Most Liberal Cities
(in descending order)
Rank City State
1 Detroit Michigan
2 Gary Indiana
3 Berkeley California
4 Washington, D.C. Dist. of Columbia
5 Oakland California
6 Inglewood California
7 Newark New Jersey
8 Cambridge Massachusetts
9 San Francisco California
10 Flint Michigan
11 Cleveland Ohio
12 Hartford Connecticut
13 Paterson New Jersey
14 Baltimore Maryland
15 New Haven Connecticut
16 Seattle Washington
17 Chicago Illinois
18 Philadelphia Pennsylvania
19 Birmingham Alabama
20 St. Louis Missouri
21 New York New York
22 Providence Rhode Island
23 Minneapolis Minnesota
24 Boston Massachusetts
25 Buffalo New York

America’s 25 Most Conservative Cities
(in descending order)
Rank City State
1 Provo Utah
2 Lubbock Texas
3 Abilene Texas
4 Hialeah Florida
5 Plano Texas
6 Colorado Springs Colorado
7 Gilbert Arizona
8 Bakersfield California
9 Lafayette Louisiana
10 Orange California
11 Escondido California
12 Allentown Pennsylvania
13 Mesa Arizona
14 Arlington Texas
15 Peoria Arizona
16 Cape Coral Florida
17 Garden Grove California
18 Simi Valley California
19 Corona California
20 Clearwater Florida
21 West Valley City Utah
22 Oklahoma City Oklahoma
23 Overland Park Kansas
24 Anchorage Alaska
25 Huntington Beach California
NEW STUDY FINDS BAY AREA MOST LIBERAL REGION IN AMERICA

Three Bay Area Cities on National Top Ten Most Liberal List; Berkeley Ranks #3, Oakland #5 and S.F. #9

BERKELEY, CA – The Bay Area was officially declared America’s most liberal region today in a new report release by the nonpartisan Bay Area Center for Voting Research (BACVR). The Berkeley-based think tank conducted a nationwide ranking of the political leanings of every American city.

In all, the BACVR researchers examined voting patterns of 237 American cities with populations of over 100,000 and ranked them each on liberal and conservative scales.

With three cities in the top ten liberal list – Berkeley, Oakland and San Francisco – no other region comes close to matching the Bay Area’s progressive prowess.

Berkeley is California’s most liberal city and ranks as the third most liberal city nationwide. Oakland pulls in as America’s fourth most liberal, followed by San Francisco coming in ninth. San Jose, the region’s largest city, is also one of the more conservative, and places a distant 74th on the liberal city list.

“We’ve all known it for years, but this makes it official – the Bay Area is the most liberal region in America,” said Jason Alderman, a BACVR director. “The Bay Area is America’s liberal mecca, drawing progressives from throughout the nation and creating a self-selecting, left-wing vortex,” said Alderman.

The Bay Area’s other major cities also rank high up on the national liberal scale. Rounding out the major Bay Area cities on the liberal list are: Daly City 30, Hayward 33, Vallejo 41, Santa Rosa 57, Sunnyvale 62 and Fremont 64. Even Concord, the most conservative major city in the Bay Area, comes in at 79 on the national liberal list, making it still more liberal than cites such as Austin, Tacoma, Miami and Las Vegas.

Home to the University of California, Berkeley continues to maintain its reputation as a hotbed of left-wing activism. San Francisco has long been called the most liberal city in the country, however BACVR research now shatters this myth. Oakland, long in the shadow of San Francisco, emerges with a surprising showing, ranking as more liberal than its larger neighbor across the Bay.

[BigDaddy]

I am suprised Austin did not make the Liberal list.

[B.A.]

So basically what you are telling me is that St. Louis has a quite a few black people?

You don't say!


;)

[Thor Simpson]

There are 15 cities <i>more</i> liberal than this tree-huggin' caffinated meth swamp I'm living in?

[Red Dog]

Those conservative cities are barely cities if you ask me.

[DVD Polizei]

There are 15 cities <i>more</i> liberal than this tree-huggin' caffinated meth swamp I'm living in?

I know. Weird, isn't it. Actually, I think Oregon is just overlooked for anything these days.

[Ranger]

Those conservative cities are barely cities if you ask me.
Yeah, I agree. According to Wiki, Lafayette, Louisiana only has a population of 110,000. Plus, the city's really deep into the swamp. Even I wouldn't go there! :)

[Myster X]

I'm surprised Frisko ranked 9th. May it's due to the so-so conservative Democrat mayor we have.

[natevines]

Detroit is not only one of the most liberal cities, but one of the most dangerous and violent in the country.

[hahn]

Detroit is not only one of the most liberal cities, but one of the most dangerous and violent in the country.

Provo is not only one of the most conservative cities, but one of the most boring and homogenously white in the country.

[mikehunt]

buffalo doesn't surprise me

[mikehunt]

Detroit is not only one of the most liberal cities, but one of the most dangerous and violent in the country.

as are gary indiana and washington dc

[Duran]

So what's the inference you're trying to make? Liberals are violent, or just blacks? ;)

[VinVega]

Interestingly enough, one of the bluest states, California, also has quite a number of cities on the Conservative list. Those poor small cities can't compete with the Liberal Meccas in the state though, so the state continues to go blue year after year. :D

[Goldblum]

"The list of America’s most liberal cities is dominated by cities with large African American populations that are concentrated in the Northeast, Midwest and California. Conversely, the study found that the staunchest conservative cities are clustered in the South and interior West and have extremely low numbers of African American residents."

Surely you jest.

[Groucho]

Provo is not only one of the most conservative cities, but one of the most boring and homogenously white in the country.Boring? I won't hear of it, sir! Provo has the largest number of buffet restaurants per capita of any city in the country!

I've often said that if one wants to know what this country would be like under a Mormon theocracy, you need only visit Provo.

[BigDaddy]

Nice going, People's Republic of Dallas.

The home of America's Team and the Texas School Book Depository is, by a long shot, Texas' liberal bastion, according to the Bay Area Center for Voting Research.

The nonprofit think tank based in Berkeley, Calif., (a town that knows liberals when it sees them) ranked 237 U.S. cities on the liberal-to-conservative spectrum, based on results from the 2004 presidential election.

The group named Austin the 93rd most liberal city in the land, just slightly bluer on the electoral map than Virginia Beach and Salt Lake City.

Dallas was 32nd, two slots more liberal than Madison, Wis.

The study found that cities with large black populations tended to turn out for liberal candidates. Austin has a relatively small black population.

The rankings threaten to obliterate a tradition of snide remarks about the capital city from less-liberal burgs such as Plano (fifth most conservative U.S. city, the study says), Abilene (third most conservative) and Lubbock (No. 2, trailing/leading only Provo, Utah).

Thus, the report was immediately dismissed by everyone.

"I would find it hard to believe that Austin is not in the top 25 or 30 liberal cities," Travis County Republican Party Chairman Alan Sager said, not particularly complimentarily.

Concurred Mark Nathan, a Democratic political consultant: "I think someone in Berkeley may be one toke over the line."

[dick_grayson]

Concurred Mark Nathan, a Democratic political consultant: "I think someone in Berkeley may be one toke over the line."

:lol:

[DodgingCars]

Interestingly enough, one of the bluest states, California, also has quite a number of cities on the Conservative list. Those poor small cities can't compete with the Liberal Meccas in the state though, so the state continues to go blue year after year. :D

Orange County is well known as a conservative county.

[B.A.]

Orange County is well known as a conservative county.
Until it is renamed Orange City, I don't think it pertains to this discussion.





;)

[DodgingCars]

Until it is renamed Orange City, I don't think it pertains to this discussion.

;)

:p

However, my point:
Orange California
Garden Grove California
Huntington Beach California

All in Orange Co.

[Rockmjd23]

Detroit is not only one of the most liberal cities, but one of the most dangerous and violent in the country
Provo is not only one of the most conservative cities, but one of the most boring and homogenously white in the country.

I'll take boring and white over dangerous and violent any day :thumbsup:

[Red Dog]

DC is frequently listed as one of the most violent cities (as mikehunt did above). What isn't mentioned is that most of the violence takes place in the poorer neighborhoods, neighborhoods where I am unlikely to ever set foot in. Therefore, in a desirability contest btwn Provo and DC, it is DC, no contest.

[Goldblum]

DC is frequently listed as one of the most violent cities (as mikehunt did above). What isn't mentioned is that most of the violence takes place in the poorer neighborhoods, neighborhoods where I am unlikely to ever set foot in. Therefore, in a desirability contest btwn Provo and DC, it is DC, no contest.
Two reasons.

1) It's not exactly true. While the worst crime does take place in the poorest neighborhoods, this is the case for all cities and D.C. has a pretty bad comparative crime rate even outside these areas.

2) They're not thinking of where Red Dog might visit. They're just compiling crime statistics city-wide.

[classicman2]

What isn't mentioned is that most of the violence takes place in the poorer neighborhoods, neighborhoods where I am unlikely to ever set foot in.

That's true of every big city, isn't it?

BTW: Have you ever been to Provo?

[Red Dog]

Two reasons.

1) It's not exactly true. While the worst crime does take place in the poorest neighborhoods, this is the case for all cities and D.C. has a pretty bad comparative crime rate even outside these areas.



Right, which is why I take these city crime statistics with a grain of salt. Doing it by zip code woud be far more informative. I have no idea whether DC has a pretty bad comparative crime rate outside the poor neighboorhoods. All I know is that I feel quite safe whether I am on the Hill, K-street, Georgetown or Adams Morgan.

[Red Dog]

2) They're not thinking of where Red Dog might visit. They're just compiling crime statistics city-wide.


My statement was a reaction to rock's statement about taking boring and homogenous over violent. It makes it seem like cities with a reputation for crime are very dangerous and without any law and order.

[DodgingCars]

BTW: Have you ever been to Provo?

I've driven through/past it. :)

[Thor Simpson]

I've driven through/past it. :)
...and you didn't realize it until you looked at the map 4 hours later? ;)

[dick_grayson]

Provo, Spain?

[CRM114]

Allentown, PA? Conservative? I guess moderate would be a better word.

:hscratch:

Allentown has a Democratic mayor and Lehigh County has voted for a Democratic president for the last 4 elections.

[Red Dog]

I was surprised by seeing Allentown on the conservative list too.

[Groucho]

Allentown got a lot more conservative after the union people crawled awwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy.

[CRM114]

DC is frequently listed as one of the most violent cities (as mikehunt did above). What isn't mentioned is that most of the violence takes place in the poorer neighborhoods, neighborhoods where I am unlikely to ever set foot in. Therefore, in a desirability contest btwn Provo and DC, it is DC, no contest.

Absolutely. I was in Philadelphia quite a few times over the past few weeks. Known as a "dangerous" city, I don't go anywhere where the "danger" exists so I enjoy myself quite nicely. Of course there are always freak occurrences.

Same can be said with NYC or any other large city. There is no comparison.

[Michael Ballack]

Orange County is well known as a conservative county.


I thought I saw some primetime special or something like that on how Orange County, well known for being conservative, has one of the biggest swinger scenes in the country. Fucking hypocrites.

[classicman2]

I guess Abilene, TX was selected to be a conservative city because of 2 church affiliated colleges - Abilene Christian & Hardin Simmons.

[X]

I thought I saw some primetime special or something like that on how Orange County, well known for being conservative, has one of the biggest swinger scenes in the country. Fucking hypocrites.I don't see how voting conservative has much to do with one's sex life. Generally voting is determined by one's opinion on fiscal and security issues.

[Rockmjd23]

I don't see how voting conservative has much to do with one's sex life. Generally voting is determined by one's opinion on fiscal and security issues.
Because logically if a person is politically conservative, then they are religious nutcases against all forms of sex :rolleyes:

[CRM114]

Because logically if a person is politically conservative, then they are religious nutcases against all forms of sex :rolleyes:

I don't think he mentioned "all forms of sex" merely swinging. It seems to me the conservative crowd has staked its whole foundation on "moral values."

[Geofferson]

I'm not surprised to see Minneapolis make the liberal list.

Although, we are sort of an oddity because we often have Republican politicians at the local level (governor), but quite consistently vote Democrat at the national level.

[uberjoe]

I don't think he mentioned "all forms of sex" merely swinging. It seems to me the conservative crowd has staked its whole foundation on "moral values."

What someone does with their checkbook does not necessarily correlate with what they do with their happy-no-no-areas.

[Thor Simpson]

I don't think he mentioned "all forms of sex" merely swinging. It seems to me the conservative crowd has staked its whole foundation on "moral values."
That's an interesting perspective.

[X]

Because logically if a person is politically conservative, then they are religious nutcases against all forms of sex :rolleyes:Oh I see now. Thanks for that explanation.

It's kind of like how priests are generally pretty liberal and some of them molest boys so we can generalize about liberals advocating child molestation.

Am I getting the idea now?

[VinVega]

I'm not surprised to see Minneapolis make the liberal list.

Although, we are sort of an oddity because we often have Republican politicians at the local level (governor), but quite consistently vote Democrat at the national level.
Minnesota is very close to becoming a red state.

[CRM114]

What someone does with their checkbook does not necessarily correlate with what they do with their happy-no-no-areas.

What does their checkbook have to do with it? I consider myself liberal and carefully control my own checkbook. I just don't have hangups about moral values. Since Dems seems to be more fiscally conservative at this point and Dems are much more tolerant of people's persnal lives, I'm voting the right way. :)

[Groucho]

All of a sudden Conservatives are moving away from the "morality" platform? The same one that helped them get record turn-out in the last election?

:hscratch:

[CRM114]

All of a sudden Conservatives are moving away from the "morality" platform? The same one that helped them get record turn-out in the last election?

:hscratch:

Yeah, didn't you get the memo? Its about fiscal and security issues! :lol:

[X]

All of a sudden Conservatives are moving away from the "morality" platform? The same one that helped them get record turn-out in the last election?The "morality" voter is a segment that can determine the outcome of an election, but it is not an essential component of being a conservative.

[CRM114]

The "morality" voter is a segment that can determine the outcome of an election, but it is not an essential component of being a conservative.

You mean all I need to do to be a conservative is whine about taxes? I don't need to be a Jesus freak? Hmmm....... This sheds a whole new light...

Nah, I don't want to be associated with the so-called "morailty" voter in any way. I enjoy freedom too much.

[classicman2]

It's an essential point for the religious conservatives though.

If the religious conservatives stay at home, the Repubs lose - especially in the presidential contest.

[Red Dog]

The "morality" voter is a segment that can determine the outcome of an election, but it is not an essential component of being a conservative.


I'd say it is, otherwise, you are just a fiscal conservative (or a classical liberal ;)).

If someone says they are a conservative without further elaboration, I take that to mean that they are both a fiscal conservative and social conservative.

[Rockmjd23]

You mean all I need to do to be a conservative is whine about taxes? I don't need to be a Jesus freak?
Nope, you don't have to be a Jesus freak to be conservative. Just like you don't have to be a pot-smoking pinko to be a liberal.

[movielib]

I can't believe my town, Madison, WI, is only 34. That is both encouraging and disturbing at the same time.

[CRM114]

It's an essential point for the religious conservatives though.

If the religious conservatives stay at home, the Repubs lose - especially in the presidential contest.

Another good reason to be a Democrat. The religious Democrats don't give a rats ass about someone else's religion or morality.

[CRM114]

Nope, you don't have to be a Jesus freak to be conservative. Just like you don't have to be a pot-smoking pinko to be a liberal.

But pot-smoking pinkos aren't a base of voters that the Dems cowtow too. The GOP gets a reach-around from the religious right.

[Rockmjd23]

But pot-smoking pinkos aren't a base of voters that the Dems cowtow too. The GOP gets a reach-around from the religious right.
The dems get just as big a reach-around from blacks. Does that mean most democrats are black?

[classicman2]

Another good reason to be a Democrat. The religious Democrats don't give a rats ass about someone else's religion or morality.

I certainly wouldn't go that far.

There's 1/3 of the people who are Democrats, and I will argue that 1/3 care very much about another individual's morality.

[X]

I'd say it is, otherwise, you are just a fiscal conservative (or a classical liberal ;)).

If someone says they are a conservative without further elaboration, I take that to mean that they are both a fiscal conservative and social conservative.Social conservatism can mean keeping the federal government out of personal behavior issues and local attitudes toward that behavior.

I think the morality issues are not as simple as they may seem because they get into the area of personal behavior versus government condoning of particular behaviors.

[Red Dog]

Social conservativism can mean keeping the federal government out of personal behavior issues and local attitudes toward that behavior.



That may be your defintion of social conservatism but it isn't mine and I don't think that is how most people would define it.

You're trying to inject some kind of state's rights mentality into social conservatism.

[Manco]

Detroit is not only one of the most liberal cities, but one of the most dangerous and violent in the country.

as are gary indiana and washington dc

Its nice to know the liberals are looking out for the brotha's.

[Geofferson]

I enjoy freedom too much.
As a conservative, so do I. However, I recognize the threat against that as coming from the left and not the right.

[X]

That may be your defintion of social conservatism but it isn't mine and I don't think that is how most people would define it.I didn't say that was my definition, just one of the reasons residents could vote for conservative government and thus be considered a conservative city.

If people vote conservative on fiscal and security issues their city is going to look conservative to this study. I doubt the correlation of liberal cities and black populations shown in this study means blacks care less about morality.

[Duran]

If someone says they are a conservative without further elaboration, I take that to mean that they are both a fiscal conservative and social conservative.

Which is why I would not call myself conservative, although I most certainly am a fiscal conservative.

And based on the current administration, I'd say the morality part is much more important to them then the fiscal part. :)

[movielib]

Nah, I don't want to be associated with the so-called "morailty" voter in any way. I enjoy freedom too much.
As a conservative, so do I. However, I recognize the threat against that as coming from the left and not the right.
Both of your sides scare the hell out of me. :lol:

[dolphinboy]

I got stuck in Provo for 2 weeks and it was, by far, the worst place that I've ever visited in my entire life.

I was only 20 and that had a lot to do with it probably. I was naive and knew very little about Mormons or that a college town could possibly not have a single bar.

The Mountains were beautiful and I've heard Salt Lake City is nice, but I would never go back to Provo. The most exciting thing I got to do was order in pizza.

I would go to the Joe in downtown Detroit and have a blast at a Wings games, but it was less fun trying to get back to the car safely.

But I'd prefer dodging bullets and dead fish on the river to Boblo, than spending 5 minutes listening to the grass grow in Provo.

[movielib]

Orange County is well known as a conservative county.
Also home to the Orange County Register, the most libertarian major daily newspaper in America.

[Red Dog]

I got stuck in Provo for 2 weeks and it was, by far, the worst place that I've ever visited in my entire life.

I was only 20 and that had a lot to do with it probably. I was naive and knew very little about Mormons or that a college town could possibly not have a single bar.

The Mountains were beautiful and I've heard Salt Lake City is nice, but I would never go back to Provo. The most exciting thing I got to do was order in pizza.


I hear ya, dude.

While I didn't get stuck in Provo, I was stuck in Utah for 3 days once. A friend and I were going to drive around the country and hit 20 baseball parks in a month right after we graduated college in 1993. 2 weeks in, we had just hit Mile High Stadium and were heading out to the Stick in San Fran. We were westbound on I-80 about 20 miles west of SLC when a guy coming the other way had a heart attack at wheel, came all the way across the median and clipped our car (left rear). We were okay (car was totalled though) but he flipped over several times and was killed.

Anyhow, we were stuck in Toole, Utah for 3 days while we waited for the insurance company to sort things out and pay for us to fly back to Baltimore. There was nothing to do and nothing to drink out there. The highlight (along with ordering pizza) was watching Lee Janzen win the US Open on the 20 inch TV in the hotel room.

Utah - pretty view of the Rockies. Nothing else.

[Groucho]

Yes, let's judge all of Utah based on Tooele. :lol:

[Red Dog]

Yes, let's judge all of Utah based on Tooele. :lol:


Well I've been to SLC too. That's ain't no Shangra La either. :lol:

[classicman2]

The highlight (along with ordering pizza) was watching Lee Janzen win the US Open on the 20 inch TV in the hotel room.

Did you see me in the crowd? I was there. ;)

[Red Dog]

Did you see me in the crowd? I was there. ;)


Well I usually drink while watching sports so under normal circumstances it might have been hard. Not while watching in Utah though. ;)

[Groucho]

That's funny, since you can get a drink easily in Tooele. In fact, I think it has more bars per capita than any other place in Utah. There are no dry counties here, unlike places back east.

[classicman2]

Amarillo, Texas was divided by 2 counties - one wet - one dry.

In the wet one (Potter) - they had dry precints. I lived in a dry precinct. Just across the street was a wet precinct.

I don't have a clue as to what that has to do with the thread, but I thought I'd throw it in anyway. :)

[Red Dog]

That's funny, since you can get a drink easily in Tooele. In fact, I think it has more bars per capita than any other place in Utah. There are no dry counties here, unlike places back east.


This is a relative kind of 'easy' correct? ;)

[Mike Lowrey]

Provo is not only one of the most conservative cities, but one of the most boring and homogenously white in the country.

<s>Which would account for the probable low crime rate. Touche, a-hole.</s>

[Mike Lowrey]

Another good reason to be a Democrat. The religious Democrats don't give a rats ass about someone else's religion or morality.

Which is the problem. It's called moral relativism. If something you feel is wrong according to your religious beliefs, it should be wrong no matter what religion or lack thereof of someone else.

I'm talking Judeo-Christian religions here...not Islam, Hindu, or Buddhist. If say abortion is considered immoral and wrong within the Catholic faith, it should be considered wrong in all Christian religions. Murder is murder in Western Civilization.

I don't get this idea that one can say, "Well, I believe it's wrong, but I don't care, or feel I should push my views on someone else." Well, is that not the whole concept of laws? That a group of elected people get to push their views on the rest of us? In Judeo-Christian based law systems such as US law, it is very illegal to commit murder. This doesn't give the right of some, say an atheist to say, "Nope, I don't believe murder is wrong, so I'm not bound by those laws."

[Mike Lowrey]

What does their checkbook have to do with it? I consider myself liberal and carefully control my own checkbook. I just don't have hangups about moral values. Since Dems seems to be more fiscally conservative at this point and Dems are much more tolerant of people's persnal lives, I'm voting the right way. :)

But Dems aren't very tolerant of people's viewpoints. ie. religion. Dems are only tolerant of people who think like them, and very intolerant to those who don't. Ask Harry Bellafonte on what he thinks of conservative black people. Some of the most vile and mean-spirited garbage I've ever heard, coming out of that peice of trash's mouth.

Other examples include, Judge Clarence Thomas, Collin Powel, Condi Rice, JC Watts.

Howard Dean is another very intolerant scumbag. When he calls Republicans dark, mean, dishonest, evil, white, Christian, etc...where's the tolerance in that. That's pure unadulterate hate.

This is why I have voted GOP since after 9/11. 9/11 brought out the worst in the Democratic Party. It had nothing to do with what the GOP did. It was rejection to what the Dems had turned into. Something I saw as very UGLY. You've seen those bumber stickers that say, "Mean people suck."? That fits about every Democratic leader right now.

[Giantrobo]

Inglewood CA? :eek:

I don't know what to say.


Well I did notice a lot of the liberal cities were esentially Ghettos. :p

[Dead]

Which would account for the probable low crime rate. Touche, a-hole.


Mike, you really need to learn to control how you address other members. Due to your posting history, you can expect administrative action for this personal attack.

[sfsdfd]

11 Cleveland Ohio:banana:

- David Stein

[Ranger]

I'm still scratching my head why the list included the smaller cities.

Research the populations at Wiki.
ex. Cambridge, MA is right across the Charles river from Boston. Both cities were on the liberal list. Cambridge only has a population of 101,000. Wouldn't it be fair to just include Cambridge as part of Boston on the list?

I think I'm just saying they should have limited the rankings more like instead of 25 cities, cut it down to 10 and only include the higher populated cities.

[hahn]

I'm still scratching my head why the list included the smaller cities.

Research the populations at Wiki.
ex. Cambridge, MA is right across the Charles river from Boston. Both cities were on the liberal list. Cambridge only has a population of 101,000. Wouldn't it be fair to just include Cambridge as part of Boston on the list?

I think I'm just saying they should have limited the rankings more like instead of 25 cities, cut it down to 10 and only include the higher populated cities.

Then there wouldn't be ANY cities on the conservative list.

[hahn]

But Dems aren't very tolerant of people's viewpoints. ie. religion. Dems are only tolerant of people who think like them, and very intolerant to those who don't. Ask Harry Bellafonte on what he thinks of conservative black people. Some of the most vile and mean-spirited garbage I've ever heard, coming out of that peice of trash's mouth.

Other examples include, Judge Clarence Thomas, Collin Powel, Condi Rice, JC Watts.

Howard Dean is another very intolerant scumbag. When he calls Republicans dark, mean, dishonest, evil, white, Christian, etc...where's the tolerance in that. That's pure unadulterate hate.

This is why I have voted GOP since after 9/11. 9/11 brought out the worst in the Democratic Party. It had nothing to do with what the GOP did. It was rejection to what the Dems had turned into. Something I saw as very UGLY. You've seen those bumber stickers that say, "Mean people suck."? That fits about every Democratic leader right now.

:lol: This is too much. A hard-core conservative calling Dems intolerant?? Where do you get the cajones?
And I'm curious - how many of those bumper stickers that say "Mean people suck." do YOU think are put on their cars by conservatives or Republicans?

[Ranger]

Then there wouldn't be ANY cities on the conservative list.
True. It's just a fact of life that there are more liberals in the big cities. Though if you count all the smaller, middle-class suburban cities (and the hick towns, too :)), I believe they would overwhelmingly outnumber the # of liberal cities, but put the all the people together and divide them by their politics then the numbers would be pretty similar.

[mikehunt]

You mean all I need to do to be a conservative is whine about taxes? I don't need to be a Jesus freak? Hmmm....... This sheds a whole new light...

Nah, I don't want to be associated with the so-called "morailty" voter in any way. I enjoy freedom too much.

I guarantee most of the people here that pay enough attention to my posts to have an opinion would say I'm conservative. I haven't gone to church since I was a young teenager and have only gone into churches for special events like weddings and funerals, and I wasn't going for the religion I was going to be with friends and family and/or to show respect to the dead.
My brother is more conservative than I am, he hasn't been to church, other than the weddings/funerals thing, in an even longer time than me (he's older). I could name a bunch of other people I know that are conservative and not religious. I can also name a bunch of religious people that are liberals.

So yes, you can be a republican or a conservative and not be religious

And you can be a liberal or democrat and want to restrict all sorts of freedom
Who's been making a big stink about restricting video games lately?
I'll give a hint, she's not a conservative by any stretch of the word

[mikehunt]

I got stuck in Provo for 2 weeks and it was, by far, the worst place that I've ever visited in my entire life.

I was only 20 and that had a lot to do with it probably. I was naive and knew very little about Mormons or that a college town could possibly not have a single bar.

there people go perpetrating the myth that mormons have completely banned bars and alcohol in UT
http://www.10best.com/Provo/Nightlife/Bars/
and yes, I do see that some of those are listed as alcohol free, but it was the first google result

hell, in SLC I saw a liquor store and a strip club within easy walking distance of the main temple

[nemein]

A hard-core conservative calling Dems intolerant??

So Dems are immune to intolerance :hscratch:

[mikehunt]

I'm still scratching my head why the list included the smaller cities.

because they needed 50, and of that 50 they needed there to be enough of a difference in the politics to justify separating them
if they had only used the 50 largest cities they might not have been able to get 25 of each
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0763098.html

[wm lopez]

Now N.Y. has had 2 Conservative Republican mayors the last few years and that's when the city went from dirty to the glamour it is today.
So I don't why the conservatives are more tough on crime than liberals.
You always hear the liberal judges give out light sentences.

[CRM114]

And you can be a liberal or democrat and want to restrict all sorts of freedom
Who's been making a big stink about restricting video games lately?
I'll give a hint, she's not a conservative by any stretch of the word

Please. The reason liberals don't like Lieberman is because of his anti-Hollywood rantings. Hillary Clinton will lose a lot of support if she continues on this conservative shift. Just because a handful of Democrats can step over party lines on an issue does not make it a Democratic issue. The GOP is home of the morality bullshit. Personally, I could never align myself with that sect of the populace.

[Tracer Bullet]

Now N.Y. has had 2 Conservative Republican mayors the last few years and that's when the city went from dirty to the glamour it is today.
So I don't why the conservatives are more tough on crime than liberals.
You always hear the liberal judges give out light sentences.

You could call Bloomberg a lot of things, but conservative is not one of them.

[natevines]

You could call Bloomberg a lot of things, but conservative is not one of them.

Yep. His ridiculous policy of no-racial profiling is not only radically liberal, it's also radically illogical.

[hahn]

So Dems are immune to intolerance :hscratch:

That is neither what I said nor what I implied.

[Red Dog]

Yep. His ridiculous policy of no-racial profiling is not only radically liberal, it's also radically illogical.

Curse that man for following the pesky Constitution.

If Bloomburg and Giuliani are conservatives then c-man is a libertarian.